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Previous thread: >>144159797

Current Maps Rotation: http://splatoon.ink/
- Chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aahamocdabckhacaedblhgimpkhpiopm
- Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/squid-thing
- Booru: https://booru.splatoon.ink
- lobby randomizer: http://woomy.github.io/Splatoon-Kit-Randomiser/index.html

>News
- Another update has been announced for Splatoon, a balance patch to be released alongside the new weapons on July 7th. Patch notes:
http://www.nintendo.com.au/support/index.php?action=help&helpcatID=353#Q0
http://www.nintendo.com.au/software-update-details-for-splatoon-ver280
- Sheldon's Picks Volume 2 is coming June 7. https://twitter.com/SplatoonJP/status/736467166631858176
- New Amiibo have been announced for the Squid Sisters, as well as recolored versions of the previous Amiibo lineup, coming in July! The Squid Sisters amiibos are to let you watch them dance and perform music.
- A collaboration with CoroCoro drops early this summer! The 'CoroCoro Roller' is a Splat Roller equipped with Splash Walls and Inkzooka. There will also be the CoroCoro Cap (Damage Up) and the CoroCoro Parka (Cold-Blooded).

> FAQ
-http://pastebin.com/1wPYkZc9

> Resources
-http://pastebin.com/6UaR6zHL

> Official NA Tumblr :
-http://splatoonus.tumblr.com/

> Wiki:
-http://splatoonwiki.org/

> User Stats:
-http://splatoon.nintendo.net/
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right on time
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Dinner with Octolings!
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Marie > Octolings > Common Inklings > Shit > Callie
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Friends with Octolings!
Teaming up in Spla2n to over come the nautilus threat!
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The N-Zap gets the award for most improved, right?
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>>144316208
Fuck off, there will be no boring squids in Splatoon 2. No dumb Octarians either. It will be ONLY Octolings.
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Callie > Tomboy Inklings and octolings with tans and navel and armpits exposed as if they were in their workout gear > Fancy Inklings and Octolings with their armpits exposed > Joe Shmoe Garden Variety Inklings > Very rare Inklings > Inklings > Uncommon Inklings > Inklings with tumor tentacles > Inklings with cancer > Inklings with disabilities > Inklings with mental disabilities > Marie
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>>144316494
I think you're mistaking ">" for "<".
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>>144316646
nope
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>>144316703
Well then you're simply completely wrong.
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interspecies sex
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>>144316846
Keep that filthy wretched Squid away from that pure Octoling.
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>>144316846
Kill all squids
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>>144316803 (Retard)
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>>144317058
Typical delusional, easily triggered Calliefag. Your waifu is worthless and dead.
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>>144316216
absolutely, might actually switch to it when it comes out
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destroy all octoscum
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>>144317324
>always talks first
>won the most Splatfests

Baka Mariefags.
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>>144317548
Callie lost the first Splatfest.
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>>144317612
Now you're straight up just lying. Don't reply to me ever again.
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>One year into the game's life
>STILL liking Calloser
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>>144317750
>almost a year later
>catfags are STILL in denial
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>rainmaker
>no squads
>people complain about no squads
smhing my head
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>>144317840
??? That wasn't the first splatfest.
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>>144317750
Stop acting retarded to make Calliefags look bad, they're retarded enough as is.
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Packing up for Paris
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>>144317889
First Splatfest was Cats vs Dogs. Of course you wouldn't know that, since you don't even own this game. No Calliefags do.

>>144317983
Fixed.
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>>144318104
Fixed again!
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>>144317940
>>144318104
The first Splatfest was Rice vs Bread.
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>>144319171
Maybe if you're a fucking gook, lol.
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>>144319509
Marie would be ashamed of you.
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>>144319171
>implying a stacked option like that counts
>japan
Calliefags, everyone.
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>>144319635
I want Marie to be ashamed of me as she stomps on my dick.
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Goodnight Callie. You're okay.
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>>144319738
I'm Marie's agents I could schedule you in for tomorrow if you're willing to pay 9999999 coins to Spyke in the next 5 minutes.
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>>144320317
Marie is her own Agent. And her own Manager. And Financial Consultant. And Marketing Adviser. And Callie's Keeper. She's also an Agent.
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>sheldon's new ranged blaster has burst bombs.

dreams do come true
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>>144320647
i wanted a normal blaster
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>>144320587
Marie is socially inept to be an agent as you've seen from her appearances.
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>>144320735
i wanted a rapid blaster
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>>144320805
>Marie
>Socially inept
Well that's baloney.
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>>144321115
Callie is cute. I want to squeeze her little face and take her to a movie and let her puke in my popcorn.
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>>144321423
Ok.
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>>144316216
If putting Kraken on any weapon makes it instantly meta, then this game is busted
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>>144322345
The game is broken, but the N-Zap wasn't bad in the first place.
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>>144322505
It was very much below average
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>>144322345
look how excited people were for the fresh squiffer because it got a kraken
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>>144322645
Look how many people use it now
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>>144322635
Fastest run speed in the game, good accuracy and fire rate, and didn't get as fucked over by defense in comparison to the Tentaek.
It's really annoying if you run 4 mains' worth of defense.
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>>144322861
that's fair
look at the distribution of specials though, they just shit kraken all over everything and call it a day
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>>144322883
This will be its chance to put those stats to use, all that held it back before was loadouts that are mediocre in Ranked
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>>144322345
Kraken is easily the most powerful special being a panic button that can kill.

Compare that to ones like inkstrike where they're easily avoidable and barely make a difference then yeah it seems powerful.

They should buff specials like wail and inkstrike so they put up a fight against other specials people pick over them.
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>>144323487
they should stop giving kraken to goddamn everything first
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haven't had a Wii since February. what have I missed, as far as the meta lol goes?

which skills are effective and which aren't? I like blasters, is attack gear still king? I'm really interested in trying that new range blaster with burst bombs
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>>144323417
Echo is typically pretty good, and splat bombs are good for breaking walls.
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>>144323591
I agree with that. The gals would be fine without kraken for example, bubbler is a fine replacement.
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N-Zaps are the worst designed weapons in the game. Literally copy pasted from Nintendos past and it looked like shit to begin with
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>>144323980
Defense meta fell apart after the e-liter nerfs and now it's run/swim on everything and still damage on chargers/blasters.

Blasters are still fine still but are mostly used on tc now.
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>>144324323
stay mad faggot

n-zap is 2cool fo u
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>>144324323
Just you wait till we get spla2n and they add amiibo support where you can get weapons and gear related to the amiibo scanned. If you don't like the zappers you'll hate that.
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>>144324418
Defense meta is still here after the Gal nerf.
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>>144324659
That sounds cool desu
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>>144323980
You can edit gear slots directly now.
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>>144320735

Normal Blaster is shit. You take the Luna for speed and power, or the Range for range. Only an idiot would use the Blaster that had neither.
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>>144324734
Is it? I rarely see people stacking damage now.

Well once the new kraken n zap hits everyone will use that over gals anyway so that will be the new meta with cold blood or haunt on everything
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>>144325157
I don't think everyone will. The N-Zap still has pretty short range, and doesn't have an annoying sub like the 96 Deco and Custom Jet do.
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>>144325081
>needing crutches
git gud
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>>144324932
yo, really? do tell
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>>144325157
>Stacking damage
Defense, my bad.
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>>144325254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdzJhYXs1_U
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>>144325407
fuck off slimy
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>>144324734

Defense is a trap for morons. It's a waste of slots for how much you need to stack to make it worthwhile. Just use Swim Speed instead and AVOID taking damage in the first place.

Everyone runs Damage Up on Gals anyway. The difference between an extra shot is almost nothing for most weapons, it only helps against blasters that can't space, and quickscoping chargers.
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>>144325234

N-Zap has the same range as the Tentatek.

I could honestly see the new Zapper being the new meta weapon. It's incredibly well balanced, benefits hugely from the speed meta, and useful to boot.

The only thing that holds it back is the 'sometimes useful' nature of Point Sensors.
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>>144325407
remember to restart your wii u after editing. if you go online without you will get banned.

if you avoid that then there's no risk
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>>144325895
Don't listen to this faggot. He method he just told you actually bans people. You're supposed to go online immediately afterwards so that the network detects the edits as rolls.
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>>144326317
(you)
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>>144326482
(you)rself
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>>144326482
As expected from a guy trying to get people banned
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>>144326568
Works on my machine.
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>>144325234
The N-Zap line is pretty much an in-between for the Splattershot and Jr. lines; it has the range of a Splattershot, but the fire rate and damage of a Jr.. Pretty cool if you ask me.
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>>144326317
>network detects the edits as rolls.

You could at least TRY to make it sound legit.
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So we now have a blaster with burst bombs is this the end or does nobody care any more
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>>144327503
that's not the nes zapper people are here for
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>>144327503
fucking finally
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>>144327503
There's a better range blaster with splat bombs and kraken. No real reason to use burst bombs on a blaster when it hits for more damage around corners anyway
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>>144328162
Flounder heights
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>>144328162
burst bombs are exactly what blasters need to compensate for close range incompetency
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>>144328324
pretty much this. burst bomb changes the way a blaster can move around. since floor and walls make the shots fizzle, blasters have a minimum effective range around them they have to keep potential enemies at. burst bombs gives a blaster a chance at fighting someone who ends up inside that ring
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Not a single weapon with sprinkler so far
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>>144330410
sprinkler rush when?
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>>144330410
Sprinkler doesn't suit a heavy splatling, nozzlenose so if anything it should be on the sploosh.
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>>144330573
Sprinkler main when

Giant sprinkler over the entire battlefield Special When?
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>>144330875

We needed a new Sloshing machine with sprinkler and Wail
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Does anyone have the chart of all the used kits?
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>>144331575
here
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>>144331736
Beakons need more love

Ink mines too, you should be allowed multiple out at once.
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>>144331736

no sprinkler or suction bomb + kraken
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>>144332138
Suction/Kraken was added in the last update.
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>>144332181

So all we need is sprinkler + kraken and sprinkzooka
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>>144332181
hopefully i didn't fuck it up
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I want Marie to bully me for not playing chargers.
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>>144333053
i want marie to zucc my dicc because i main hero charger
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Alright squids, here's the squid sisters in comfy spooning.

Also, a lewd marie:
https://booru.splatoon.ink/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=94
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>>144333335
I want to succ Marie's dicc until she gives me a scoped Hero Charger.
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>>144332801

Fukken saved.
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>>144334598

you'll have to change it for 2.8.0
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>being french
>see pick related
>my face when :
>>not living in paris
>>not attending that expo
>>no money for :
>>>the trip
>>>the food
>>>the stay

I hate my life
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>>144334829
will do once the smaller weapon images from ingame come out
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>>144333694

So cute, I love it.

Did you add more clothes since the sketch version? I remember them being curvy and less lumpy.

nude version plz?
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>>144334894
look at those big fat tentacles. its like theyre specifically designed for being big fat ol cum holsters
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Cumming into Callie's suction cups!
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So in the sequel should your inkling be a seasoned turf veteran or should they be an inkling freshly turned 14 and in control of their form/an inkling fresh in the big city
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>>144337672
The framerate on that gif, always bugs me man.
Here.
Have a bouncier one.
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>>144337841
Did you change the file name of this because I'm not getting the same image.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHKb0FSUwAIZqy5.jpg:orig
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>>144337841
so much for that dipshit telling me there's a resolution limit when someone else managed to stitch the images together anyway
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>>144338207

looks the same to me, senpai
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>>144338207
That picture is a Manmenmi that has been translated, look up Sameanko
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>>144315985
>Removed diorama
>Removed Japan Expo
Literally why?
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>>144338437
>resolution limit
you obviously haven't opened a crasher, you can get away with insane resolutions as long as it's under, I think, 4MB
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>>144334956
Thanks!
Probably you saw their bodies drawn under the clothes, I tend to do the "naked" form first and then draw out the clothes after.

Sorry, no
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>>144338665
I'll put it back if you let me make the threads 50 posts early again. If not, I'm leaving it out.
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>>144338437
i'm both those people, dummy.
thought you wanted the images stitched in a row.
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>>144338748
i've seen em, they're like 10k by 10k right
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>>144338748
upload this then
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57102943
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>>144338865
nah more like stick em in one image however it fits to save the image limit but whatever i guess
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>>144337841
Why didn't you just stitch it normally?
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>>144339010
the other guy said it was 3000x3000 max, but the max is 10k by 10k
smhing
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oh yeah. i can upload this thing.
but i assure you a resolution error came up when i tried to upload the picture without editing it.
maybe it's got something to do with proportions?
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>>144339205
i said it was 5000x5000, because that's what i found with a google search. sorry.
the stitch itself is bigger than 3000x3000, anyway.
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>>144339287
just post za kurasha next time.
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>>144339040

that image was just so my post stood out and I took it off /ink/. I guess it was too good at it's job
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>>144339287
the res limit is 10k and the image was 11k, could've just split it into two rows and it would've been fine since it's like 1mb
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>>144338764

Could you post the old version for comparison please?
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>>144339495
well, oh well.
sorry i was misinformed.
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MOVE OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE NEW BEST COSPLAY. FAT AND SKELTAL SQUID SISTERS ARE NOW OBSOLETE.
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>>144341575
They aren't cute at all
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>>144342536
That's because they're Octolings, retard.
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>>144342527
So we have fat, skeltal and disabled lookin squids.
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>>144342527
DUDE
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>>144342527

>more hips
>shorter skirt
>better lighting
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>>144342527
>>144343012

>more smug
>more hyper
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Do you ever feel like playing, but then you remember finals and that you must study and have no time to play?
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>>144343939
it wouldn't surprise me if that's why /ink/ is deader than usual
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>>144343939
No because I'm not in high school in June.
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>>144343939
half hour breaks in between 90 minute study sessions is plenty time to get salty about e-liters
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>>144344178

angry is not conducive to absorbing info
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x's fish is very shy - most of the time, they will try to be as hidden as possible. the other members adore them, though, and think they're very cute. this can be bad, because they especially only like being touched by x.
everyone in the band cares about them, though. in fact, b leaves food for them on x's doorstep all the time. she doesn't have the heart to tell him that her fish doesn't eat that kind of food.
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>>144345264
contrary to popular belief, /ink/ is not for fanfiction.
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>>144345336
/ink/ is all about freshness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MALb-mdEo
Okay what the fuck is this
I'm dying
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>>144345336
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>>144345738
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>>144345336
once upon a time Deathfuck the incling (my original charachter do not steal) came in Inkopolis and saw marie Hi marie he says hi say Marie
U wan sum fuck say Dethfuck? Yes
Then i Fuck marie and cum my penis all into her cunt Oh yes deathfuk she say as she orgasms from the pleasure of bein cummed inside
PS stop flamming muh story preps
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>>144345738
>90ish views
are you fishing for views?
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>>144346498
I'm just trying to build up my Youtube channel. You don't have to subscribe if you don't want to but I'm trying my best to add a lot of content.
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>>144346498
No, I saw it on tumblr while in a tag
I can't tell if it's an unironic video or not
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>>144348389
Let's make peace with octolings
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>>144333694
Awwww that's sweet
GJ anon
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>>144349340
But we're already at peace with the Octolings
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>>144349340
Let's kill all Octolings
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>>144339639
I have it saved
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>>144349912
But if we do that, who will we be friends with?
The other Squids only want to kill you for money, the Ascended Squids do nothing but smile and wave at you, the Jellyfish are all braindead, the Urchins only want to rob you; without Octolings, what point is there?
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>>144333694
>goodnight callie
>i love you
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>>144350357
Confirmed that Octofags are literally retarded.
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I think the thing I love most about these threads is the fact that no one plays the game.
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>>144350357
Listen to this race traitor propaganda.
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>>144349912
i like this plan
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>>144350943
As if you needed proof

>>144350946
Unimpressive meme
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>>144350946
>If you're not always talking about the game, you clearly never play it!
your constant whining isn't game discussion either, bub
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>>144317983
Cute but uh
What are the square things in the first aid kit
You know which ones
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>>144351179
Why is it always Calliefags that get so defensive about them not playing the game? Not like us Mariefags.
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>>144350946
baiting for (you)s?
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>>144351358
it's because only we play the game
just kidding i love you guys too as long as you're nice
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>>144351454
I'm baiting someone to play the game but I know that'll never work because no one has this game besides the discord and Skype.
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>calamazones
>color my zones
lewd
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>>144351731
Start a squad, i'll play with you, if it would shut you up
You do have the game, right?
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>>144350781
If Marie ever tells Callie that she loves her, in any context at all, I will become tranquility.
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>>144351914
Sorry I still have to study for my finals.
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>>144352059
Well stop shitposting here and study
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>>144351340
Probably cough drops

Or condoms
Always practice safe sex when abroad folks
Even if you're only using a strapon
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>>144352059
how is highschool? finals end over fucking 3 weeks ago
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>>144352152
How is what in doing shitposting? Telling the truth that no one in this general plays the game is shitposting now? Okay bub a rub. You're being gay and toxic right now. This convo is over. I'm off to study.
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>>144352181
>Marie are you using a condom?
>A what?
>Marie, a condom.
>Callie, it's not a real peni-
>YOU HAVE TO USE A CONDOM MARIE
>Callie it's a piece of plasti-
>I DON'T WANT TO GET PREGNANT MARIE
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>>144352582
Posting >>144350946 is straight up shitposting as you're trying to piss off people.

You could be someone else other than them though and it has nothing to do with you.
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>>144352504
Pretty fun you old bat. After I'm done my garage band is going to be doing gigs all summer before we split up for college.
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>>144352870
Wonderful blog post. If this is game discussion, bring back the drawfags.
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>>144352824
>>144353000
>Replying to what is perhaps some of the most obvious bait of all time
God you people can be retarded
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>>144351179
>>144351595
Hey Callieposter, I'm curious, what's your favorite picture of Marie?
Of only Marie, with Callie absent.
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>>144353152
You're right. We should be talking about why Zenyetta is the most useless character in the game.
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>>144353152
lol i was baiting you all along! hhahah :^)
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>>144353295
150 HP. The end.
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>>144353152
And now the shitposter finally admits it. You feel proud of yourself?
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>>144352607
>But it's in your butt, you can't get
>MARIEEEEE I'M NOT READY TO BE A MOTHER
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https://twitter.com/playasia/status/738665121585594368

Time for some high quality rips.
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>>144353270
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>>144353708
What's the point of releasing the live recordings if they're going to release the actual songs anyway?
Won't the quality be worse regardless? I mean the songs won't be any different, they'd just be re-recorded through speakers.
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>>144353936
Pretty gud.
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>tfw could go to the squid sisters concert
>tfw you don't speak french and do badly in crowds
how do the concerts work anyway? surely there must be a limit to how many people can show up
also, assuming the concert does well, do you think they'll do ones in other countries?
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>>144354016
They used live performers so there would be some slight variation in a new recording.
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>>144354259
I have a feeling they're overestimating the Sisters popularity.
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>>144354259
>>144354393
>Only a few people turn up
>It's socially awkward for everyone
Is splatoon that big in france? It's weird to see a concert happen there
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Hory shet a splatoon thread.

I use the neo splooshomatic and fuck shit up while getting max coverage


Does anyone else feel as though the dynamo roller is over powered or is it just me because my weapon is so close range?
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>>144353936
What is your favrit picture of OCTOLINGS XXXDDD
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>>144352607
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>>144354625
Sploosh is actually a decent counter to the Dynamo since you can kill them so quickly if you manage to get up in their face, since you can kill faster than they can attack. Gotta work a miracle to get in there though.
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>>144354686
>>144354945
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>>144345561
>Holding hands
See you in three days.
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>>144342527
Squigga please
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>>144354945
>>144355128
Disappointed.
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>>144354625
Even after all the nerfs, Dynamo is still borderline broken.
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>>144354625
Dynamo is fine as a weapon

But give it to half the world who have a shit connection to abuse it with then it becomes op
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>>144354625
>Does anyone else feel as though the dynamo roller is over powered

Welcome, traveller.
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>>144342527
>>144355285
Why does it seem like in all these cosplays, Marie is the one that looks the worst out of the two?
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>>144354834
Oh it can be done. Usually while they're fucking CAMPING OUT our in a kamikaze type deal. I'm a sore winner with rollers desu. I do the flip flop when I get them.

When I'm on with splooshomatic I am either really on, or really off. N zap good too. And Zink splatling
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>>144355285
That's not bad. Callie's expression is practiced and perfect, Marie just needs to force herself to stop smiling.
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>>144355648
Ironically Callie's hair is easier to replicate.

Though if you plan on cosplaying, don't get a fucking tattoo.
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>>144355285
callie looks like she's got one of those 2hu hats here
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>>144355590
I lurk /v/ now and again but I never see splatoon threads. You have no idea how stoked I am that adults also play. Bless ur hearts.

Do you guys also swear like racist sailors when playing ranked? What's your favorite ranked battle?
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>>144355285
This is actually some really good cosplay
Look at their eyebrows and makeup and you can see the effort put in
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>>144356096
rainmaker is the best
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>>144355285
Would push Marie off the balcony and take Callie back to hotel room for unprotected sex.
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>>144356096
RM. TC can be great with Stealth Jump or QSJ gimmicks.
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>>144356096
I like Splatzones and Tower Control, Rainmaker is only good in squads.
Don't swear much, although my connection with Japs is better than most thanks to geography.

More important question is which is your favorite Sister.
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>>144356207
I like that one bc I'm really good at making paths. But if you play tower control with a defense item that boosts pure strength and rush for the tower, it's really easy to steal an early knockout.

Also, I'm S rank for a while but I get bumped down to A+ now and then abs I swear they play more cohesively than the S ranks. Like they're not all about just getting sweet sweet kills
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>>144356426
I think Marie is my favorite bc I'm more like her. I usually pick her for splatfests, anyway. Considered being her for Halloween but I can't sew well enough yet so that Shiro chick from dead man wonderland would be easier. Basically just a white bodysuit.


Ooorr I could be my splatoon character. Skull bandanna, pink shirt, pink creepers, and pink contacts. I ALWAYS MATCH
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>>144357026
Good taste. You'd have good taste no matter which you picked, but you know.
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>>144357275
useless post
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>>144356096
I get salty occasionally, but mostly I find Splatoon remarkably chill. Watch out for our resident raging anon and his all caps hulk outs though.

RM is the most fun when you have a good team.
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>>144357127
The bigger, the better.
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>>144357505
You're a useless post.
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>>144357669
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>>144357127
FAT
OCTOLING
VULVA
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>>144357908
F A T
P U F F Y
T A S T Y
M A R I E
V U L V A
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>>144358132
No way that's not a ballsack.
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>>144357770
I was talking about tits, but this is still good.
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>>144358207
It'd be lower down if it was. Also there'd be a benis present.
Marie's just a bit swollen.
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>>144357770
>>144358287
Anniefags are fucking degenerates
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>>144349529
Thanks squid
>>144350781
sweet dreams are made of ink
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>>144355285
>tattoo
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>>144358641
Nah they're cool.
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>>144359098
you're one to talk
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i hope the new update stops the luna QR+stealtjump meme in tower control
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>>144358992
Tattoos are sexy :^)
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>>144359221
Yeah, I'm pretty cool too.
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>>144342527
>>144355285
Step aside.
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>>144358641
I'm not a huge fan of the first image if that helps my case
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>>144359736
Set them both on fire.
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>>144359817
Both of them are shit
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