Horses edition.
>What is BDO?
Black Desert Online is an MMORPG by Pearl Abyss that was recently released for western audiences, with additional changes. It's a sandbox MMORPG that features action-oriented combat, open world PVP territory control, trading, player housing, and more.
Info from the site: http://i.imgur.com/r7VvB6h.png
>Discord
https://discord.gg/0vYcIJNhxt5cd4pK (join at your own risk)
>/bdog/ guilds
http://pastebin.com/eagGG3KB
>Guides
http://pastebin.com/VH3XrCYb
>Maps and nodes
http://blackdesertfoundry.com/map/#4/-8.89/-25.22
http://www.blackdeserttome.com/map/
http://bdomap.mmoguild.org/
>Useful Links
Wiki: http://www.blackdeserttome.com/wiki/BDO_Tome
Database: http://bddatabase.net/us/
Skill Calculator: http://www.blackdeserttome.com/calculator
Class Armor Sets: http://wodox.imgur.com/
Else: Google it before posting
>BDO KR/JP info + differences between NA/EU
http://pastebin.com/P2YqnsCX
Previous thread: >>143991376
help pls
ded thred
ded hope
black desert online graveyard
xth for ded gaem
let this be the graveyard for all archeage memes
dead thread
dead game
body odor online
I've been trying to understand and figure out WHY they made this change i just don't get it, they're also losing money from tears.
>>144147265
>YC ran bdog for awhile till the game launched
>IC shitpost till they can take over
>IC splits the majority of 4chan guild and open up many splinter groups.
>Thread slowly dies because the shitposting was so bad no one came back.
>IC runs discord also
>Discord is also dying just as bad as the thread.
Let this be a reminder, kill circle jerking guilds. Or let it kill general you are in.
>>144148786
It's impossible to overcome meme spammers whose only joy is in mocking others.
>>144149276
Forced memes killed the general
>>144149812
the circlejerking discord group killed the thread
>>144150485
Wrong
Been away for a few weeks, is YC still hanging on?
Also is the market still regulated? That's the reason I stopped playing, not intentionally but I fired up another game I've played off and on for a couple years and before I knew it I was buying low and selling high and feeling great getting back to my Hebrew roots. And it has a slightly less ded 4chin clan, it's been really nice having other anons to talk to. No offense to the 4 or 5 guys that were still in YC last time I played.
>>144150765
YC merged with ITC (the eight chan guild) if what I heard was true
And yes, the market still has the price limits
>>144151067
Whoa, interesting if true. I remember a YC member asking what the deal with eight chan was and they said basically that eight chan sees 4chan users just like 4chan users see reddit users.
Weak about the market though, virtual economy and the jewing it provides are my main thing in these modern online games. And the tax really killed it too.
Well thanks for the answers, might have to see how ded things are for myself.
>>144150598
true
>>144152158
no u
What should I be upgrading my +15 steel dagger to as a witch?
I don't even know what the ultimate's Special Attack Damage is? Or just go blue for down attack or back attack?
>>144156281
Special is all 3 blues combined
Down for pvp
Back for worldbosses
>>144156569
sweet, thanks
Do any of you erp in game?
>>144157693
Yes.
>>144157693
No, because I'm straight.
>>144157693
Yes
With characters this cute, how could I not?
>>144157717
>>144158060
Do you erp as a male or a female? Also, do you erp with the opposite gender?
>>144157896
He didn't ask if you ERPd, he asked if anybody ERPd.
>>144158223
I don't.
>>144158223
Both, though when it's male it's a trap, and futa on occasion
Yes, and the same
>>144158494
Faggot
>>144158912
Sure am
>>144158994
Well good, your cumpatriots on 4chan are always insisting they're straight while they fantasize about sucking on feminine penis. I have no choice but to accuse you of being a pedo though. Pedo.
Different question
Have you ever masturbated to a character in game. Without any roleplay involved?
>>144159858
It would be pretty hard to deny being gay given that just yesterday I had my dick in a boybutt
I'm pretty sure I'm not a pedo though, the traps in those doujins were definitely over 18
>>144160358
My FFXIV character. Square Enix knows how to make lewd as fuck catgirl bodies
>>144160358
Yes, my own, when I first got my Kibelus
I couldn't contain it
Can anybody post ERP logs?
>>144161117
Proud papa beating off to his female human daughter
>>144161217
tell me moar
If you could add one emote to the game, what would it be?
>>144161431
Sit not on a ledge
>>144160358
All my characters in kibelius or underwear, multiple times. Really helps that I don't have to look up some new doujins or shit and can just service my boner while playing.
I really hate tamers
Fuck you noobs
I wish this thread wasn't so dead ;;
anyone else listen to ASMR to make the grind bearable?
>new patch doesn't make you lose 1% for dying in PvP
>some guy tries to kill me to take my spot
>Tell him "if you kill me i'll ks you for the rest of the day"
>he kills me
>i come back and follow him and take every mob he tries to kill
This update was the best
>>144165827
I listen to podcasts and audiobooks
>>144167642
>tfw the youtube account with all the BBC Christie radio adaptations got taken down recently
My Poirot ;_;
>>144168067Good taste.
should i be using bronze instead of steel dagger if I only have yuria for my main hand weapon?
i've seen people say that you should only use steel if you have liverto
>>144168689
He was my steadfast grinding buddy but now he's gone, and I've listened to so much Moffat so any other Poirot just sounds wrong now
Now how am I meant to get my comfy mysteries stories?
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/4m5nh2/would_you_buy_this_costume/
What a bunch of fucking degenerates, holy living hell.
>>144170051
what
anyone get a new t7? been purebreeding forever, first breed after the patch got at T7D female. Could be worse, I suppose.
>can't find anybody to ERP with
This shouldn't be so hard
>>144175979
Alchemy outfit best outfit
>tfw armor broken
l-lewd
>>144175979
>>144177770
Soon this thread will disappear, just like you.
>>144178865
Pretty much all the discussion is in the discord now, basically this place serves as a way to get there.
>Wandering Rogue Fighters and Elite chain punch me across a huge rock on the ground thanks to desync
>Can't move as I'm slowly fisted and gangraped to death from 80% hp to 0 in 4-5 seconds
>"Ancient Crystal - Adamantine has been broken"
I'm done playing for tonight
>>144179897
Sorry anon!
I-Is there anything I can do to make it better?
Anyone have experience with sleeping medicine, or herbs or whatever? I want to maximize resting time and gaming time by falling asleep as soon as I have time, and not waste any shuffling around in bed until I fall asleep.
>>144176518
Orwen?
I found an Eppu standing in a blob of people
>>144180750
Getting your hands on some opiates could help, always give me the nods. Benzos help too.
>>144179978
No
>See 2 Ancient Adamantines listed on MP
>Wait and try to snipe them
>They're already gone before I can finish the captcha
>>144183221
I'm sorry for your loss. But you'll get them back within a day or two, don't sweat it. Now if it had been Cobelinus...
>>144182282
Aren't those bad for you?
>>144183897
You can absolutely get hooked and ruin your health and relationships. But they sure do work.
>>144183559
The same happened with Cobelinus a week ago, I managed to snipe 2 on AH at like 0530
gross...
>>144178987
>IC completely kills thread over time
>C-come to our discords it will be better
Avoid BDO if you haven't started.
>>144184525
>6th of February
Nice try kid.
Yo guys, i am your russian vodka bear balalaika friend from a russian imageboard called "2ch".
So i am playing Warrior on russian server since release, and the 1st July patch ruined my class and few other, as Musa or Plum. The reason of class death is that the diminishing system in game was "updated". Now you can't make the target airborne after you knockdowned it. Good job, Pearl Abyss, now the only anti-diminishing combo is destroyed.
So, the basic of this combo without Spinning slashes and other damage skills was Take Down - Counter - Ground Slash. But for now, as i said, you can't use Counter after other CCs.
Have you noticed the same "update" at your server?
>>144185914
Didn't read all that shit, your faggot character looks like azis.
>>144185914
Oh shit, oh fuck, i asked one EU warrior-youtuber and he said, that this combo is still working.
But what is the reason of this? It's Weapon Awakenings mechanichs, isn't that?
What about Korea, is this combo still workin?
>>144186139
cyкa пидap блят
>>all these chink eyes
>tfw can't balance being semi-pro in CS and being able to play BDO
Fuck dude I wish I didn't need to sleep, eat, shit, and make money.
Man. Why do people RP for hours then not wanna ERP to close the night?
>>144187304
>RP for hours
How autistic do you have to be to RP for more than 20 minutes?
>5/6 conversation attempts have completely unreasonable interest and favor values
>the 1/6 that is left consistently has a failure requirement
whyyyy is everyone in this town an asssssholeeeee
SO uhh I got my yuria to +14, how mnay fail stacks should I do, before attempting +15?
>>144187506
Don't even bother talking to anyone in Trent and Behr, I just wave my way through everything.
>>144187736
IS TRENT THE SAME
FUUUCKKKK
>>144187304
where do I go to ERP on edan?
Female tier 7, now that's pretty nice.
>>144187896
join /bdog/ discord send message to georgie
>>144187640
It kinda depends on if you have something else to enchant. If you only care about the yuria then just throw weapon stones at it pray.
>>144187963
i don't want to erp with a non-white
>>144187304
I don't want to have sex every night, why would I want to ERP every night? Not everyone is a depraved faggot.
>>144187896
I'm in Orwen.
>>144188084
I need to do my armor still, it's all +10 and lower.
>>144187896
I've been trying to find any signs of RP on Edan for months, it doesn't exist desu senpaiserver merges when
>go to sleep with my character doing auto loop
>forgot to press the auto loop button
>wake up without any horse levels
Just end my shit life.
>>144189803
>went to sleep
>woke up in the morning
You don't know true suffering.
This guy's got a ghillie suit on but his name's NOT hidden. wut
>>144184386
Good name desu.
>>144187939
It's a neat-looking horse as well.
>instead of having unique lines Mediahns cycle through shared sets of lines over and over
At least Calpheon had some people who couldn't be interacted with at all if they didn't have anything new to say.
>>144191637
At least the area has good music though.
>>144191551
I'm jelly. Got any tips for a new breeder? I just started, first horse I caught was a tier 3 female, second was a tier 2 male. I've been leveling them up to ~20 before mating them.
>>144191981
You can use this to figure out up to which point you should level them up.
http://www.blackd.de/horse/
>>144191551
YOU FUCKING LUCKY DICK FUCK SHIT LIFESKILLING BOSS ARMOR FAGGOT
>>144192478
He rides horses all day long, I think he deserves some benefits.
>>144191551
Can I see your butt? I like your waste to hip ratio.
What server is the most populated? I just got the game after playing with the guest pass and I want atleast a lil bit of player base in my game. On top of that, which server is most /vg/ inhabited? Thanks.
>>144193493
NA: Orwen for E/RP, Edan for tryharding
EU: Jordine
>>144191763
>tfw Calpheon and its either spooky or comfy music got forgotten
>tfw it's dead forever save 3-4 places
What's this wagon?
>>144195231
Why do people make disgusting characters? If you're going to stare at something all day, shouldn't it at least be attractive? Do people like just grossing out other people or making them laugh at how stupid they look?
>>144193340
>>144195424
Cute, nice horse too.
>>144195528
Thanks.
i just found a friend at lynch ranch!
>>144197806
cool.
>>144197806
Congrats man!
>>144193609
What's the deal with the server selection, the good servers all say 0/0 and have no "enter" box
>>144199364
Click on the server box
A bunch of channels will come down
They have join buttons
>>144199437
Oh, dis some maple story shit?
>>144199364
It stands for 0 characters and 0 characters scheduled for deletion on that server.
>>144199487
this game is maplestory
grind heavy, favors the already rich, no pvp, "cc plz", etc
just a 3d variant
>>144199487
I have no clue but each server has multiple channels and those channels have subchannels.
>>144199581
i'd compare it more with runescape
there's literally nothing else to do then watch your stats go up
>>144199675
Runescape-like in the leveling maybe but Runescape has the best quests in any game ever while this game has only the fetch twenty bear asses type.
>>144199785
>quests
Literally shit in every MMO ever made. To the point where I don't even know what a good quest is like. How are they in runescape?
>>144201916
Man I can't even explain, they're like these huge storylines some worked on for like 12 years with so much shit and awesome happenings
>>144201916
Read through this for your fancy or something http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/While_Guthix_Sleeps
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Transcript:While_Guthix_Sleeps
>>144202321
I don't have time to read all that shit, if I did I'd read a book. I play games to watch arbitrary numbers increase.
Does anyone here have a rank1 house at Northern Wheat Plantation?
I remember ages ago reading that there is a hidden sunflower node there you can put a worker on
but now that I am trying to find the info, i can't.
I don't want to sink millions into getting a r1 house there for no reason if the node isn't there
>>144203131
If that's what you wanna do but I'm not surprised you haven't seen a good quest then. Nothing that says books are by default better for storytelling than an interactive medium either.
>>144202321
>reading
Nah dude, I want to play a video game.
>>144203970
They're not mutually exclusiveeee
>>144204163
What do you mean?
>>144204245
>>144202321
cursed philistines ;;
>>144204470
???
Is No. 4-7, Market Street the only house in game that can be used as Taritas forge?
>250 BS
>cant get 30 FS once
>>144207125
There is only one forge per type in the world.
So like, 1 taritas forge, 1 grunil forge, 1 yuria forge
etcetcetc
>>144208791
?
>>144207125
There's a research tool on the top right corner, use it
I'm sick of doing god damn motherfucking dailies. This game is so shit.
>>144209604
Why are you even doing dailies then?
>>144209743
To get the much needed rewards???????????????
>>144210003
>contribution
>reward
It's only a reward if you make it to be.
If you don't use it, then it's useless.
This is a pseudo-sandbox, just do whatever the fuck you want instead of doing dailies if you don't like em.
>>144208791
This is absolutely not true
39 IPs, ded thread, dead game
abandon ship
>>144209451
Christ I'm retarded and forgot it exists. Thank you.
All the butthurt Archeage fags crying on the official forums are sad individuals. That's some real salt just because they can't force people to lose xp anymore. I guess I'd be mad too if I spent every day grinding to be able to grief better, only for Daum to put a stop to griefing.
Good riddance.
>>144210162
You get boss scrolls????????????
>>144213137
CAREBEAR SHITTE FDN GETG OF MY FUCKING GAME OYU PEICE OF SHIT LFIESKILING FAGOT HO HOME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>144213596
You don't have to kill shit once you have the boss's knowledge
>>144214057
How come? What about the drops and bundles and shit?
>>144214347
I'm talking about killin 50 shit to get the scroll
Also, nothing's stopping you from stacking 7 scrolls a week and doing everything at once instead of daily
>>144214734
How do you get the scroll without killing 50 shit?
Does this game even have endgame content?
>>144214952
I don't understand.
>>144215581
>>144215704
So uh I gotta get the knowledge and then I get free scrolls?
>>144216515
Yes.
>>144216705
From a vendor?
>>144217059
Yes, from a vendor
>>144217059
Either from a vendor, bookself, of last hitting said boss.
>>144217171
>>144217290
I can't find anything on google about vendors and such. ;_;
>>144218374
rubin in calpheon sells boss knowledge
Annolisa Rosie maybe too, i don't remember
>>144219438
Oh but those cost millions.
>my face top guilds are quitting and return to kr or ru
>>144221534
>""""""""""top guilds""""""""""" go to Korea
>get ganked by all the autistic Koreans who have been grinding for years
>hacks won't work
>constantly buying new accounts when banned
>they quit anyway to go back to Archeage
>bitch and moan about P2W
>carry on with their miserable lives
EX DEE
>>144185294
>month/day/year
Sorry not some euro mudslime. I live in a real country.
>>144221534
>>144223340
Why are they quitting anyway ? Is it because the awaken weapons aren't added yet or something like that ?
>>144223751
>getting your wife raped by bbc and your kids shot by niggers
Damn son.
>>144225624
>not living in a completely white neighborhood with a cash gap to keep the nigs out
Must feel bad to be a euro. How goes the "let every mudslime in" going for you?
This is still off-topic to the original point of IC killed thread and want people to come to a more "active" discord.
Yes, you are the most beautiful thing that has graced this world.
How do people get suffixes like Crimson Flame on their weapons? Is it a blacksmithing thing? Is blacksmithing even worth doing in this game?
>>144227079
You're a literal slave to a nigger (your president).
>>144227745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcGraLDixS0
>>144229326
Any text guides? My first language isn't English so it's hard for me to listen to people, especially if they have thick accents.
When I'm getting amity with the armor vendors, should I buy my item straight away at 500 amity, and start over again? It feels as if it's less energy per round than if you stack it as much as you can. Is this true?
>>144229070
Yeah we don't stone people to death here even if they are a nigger. I know that must be hard for you to understand.
>>144231606
Alright bbc lover.
>>144231673
>>144231606
>bbc
>accepting a nigger
>mudslime
wew, both y'all need to hang yourself.
>>144231346
yes
>>144231831
>>144231673
>>144231606
Fuck off to /pol/ or /int/ with your arbitrary country wars. Only retarded faggot normies are actually nationalistic.
>>144232186
I dunno I only see this patriotism on 4chan, definitely not with normies.
>>144232479
>>144232186
>nationalistic
Not saying america is #1 but euro cucks need to learn their place. Having to help them with literally everything the past 150 years.
>>144232824
"having to help them"
>"not nationalistic"
if you're not nationalistic why are you speaking on behalf of your country like YOU actually did something. You're probably a neet in your late teens- mid twenties just like everyone else here. Stop speaking on behalf of your country or trying to make it seem like your better than someone when you have literally done nothing to contribute.
and go back to /pol/ like the other anons said
>>144187418
>>144188316
Well, it wasn't meant to be open RP. I actually went on a forum and looked for partners. I am pretty much open for anything and when I found somebody willing who happened to have similar tastes as me I was really happy. We were playing along halfway into it, then he decided to just up and leave when things were getting 'interesting'. We RPed again the next day, and he explained that he got lost in the mansion and was thrown out by the guards. I knew this was an excuse so I asked him OOCly about the night before and all he said was he already 'got off' during our walk by the trees. My explanation is kind of confusing but this is the post:
http://pastebin.com/NGU8QrjP
>>144236165
RPers are fucking weird
>>144236165
I read it and I think it can be fun.
Are you on Orwen?
>>144236165
>he already 'got off' during our walk by the trees
I'm so glad I stopped ERPing in this gay game
>>144236165
So he was getting off to the shit part? Guess he's an M, but jesus RP is weird.
beep boop ~
>>144237202
This is just one aspect of RP. There are a lot of people who use RP to act out degenerate fantasies. Some of us use RP to create full-fledged characters in a unique world and let our imagination roam free. We create stories of adventure together, experience loss and joy, characters die, villains arise, betrayal happens, love blossoms, the political schemes of the nobility often means bad news for commoners and so on. RP can really enrich your gaming experience if you let it.
>>144237834
Are you the valkerie request anon?
>>144237834
I played a Rogue on an RP server in WoW to spy on people RPing for fun. I just put that I was mute in my description and no one talked to me. I have more fun watching people RP than actually doing it.
>>144238009
No?
>>144236526
Yep.
>>144237202
Thing is... the night before, we talked briefly about what we'd do to each other and to establish mutual consent. I was really looking forward to it... he wanted to introduce a few things I'm not wholly familiar to, like 'hara-pan' and asphyxiation. We had two other guys who wanted to do it so we had planned that he'd 'call his commoner friends over' to make room for them as well. So I wasn't the only one disappointed.
>>144237834
Yuhp. I try to draw the line by having two accounts. One where I participate in events with an RP guild, totally 100%. The other if I just want to fool around and ERP.
>>144238532
>hara-pan
The act of punching a girl in the stomach during sex. It is a very uncommon fetish. It is said that the punch connects to the uterus and stimulates it from within.
What in the fuck?
>>144238739
what the fuck
>>144238532
>Bought an account exclusively to ERP.
I was going to reply for the request but don't think it's the kind of RP for me.
>>144238973
Ironically enough the ERP account is my main. I never intended to play the game for RP. Haha
>>144238739
what da fuck
>>144239057
So you have an account to RP with normies?
>>144239313
Yup. It's really useful.
Is it weird that Take Down is my favorite skill in the game? I fucking love it.
>>144227708
What's the point of living, when games, MMOS especially, show you how trash our world is? How am I supposed to have the desire to live, when I can't be an amazing warrior exploring wonderful worlds filled with magic, incredible monsters, and legendary items?
Considering killing myself honestly. Might get teleported to an MMO world. Maybe.
>>144245838
You could become an Indiana Jones type explorer Archaeologist, but then you need investors and money to explore. Everything has been explored anyway, maybe it's time to just end your life.
Give it a shot, man. Literally.Heh, get it? Like shoot yourself.
>>144241445
actual mediah area story actual real non-misused spoilers not erp "l-lewd haha" spoilers>run you fool
This time it's personal, I'm not running. Partner.
I thought we were bros, the spirit hadn't betrayed me this far so I really didn't see it coming. That was cool as fuck though, but it did make me raise an eyebrow to have the spirit tell me off as usual during the fight. Too bad its Dementor form is gone now, I liked that one the best, but hey, Black Spirit Crystal get.
I hope he'll come out to play as a repeatable boss later, that'd be a sweet change of pace.
>>144248345
how and where do i start the mediah questline?
i have done all the other black spirit quests
>>144248345
>story
>in a gook number increasing simulator
>>144249232
I just did story quests around Mediah until they eventually pointed me in the right direction. Started from Tarif.
Whats the deal, why this game dying?
I enjoy it, why can't others. What happened?
I just want to understand.
>>144250959
Shut publisher and p2w.
>>144251423
Will it ever recover?
All I see is players upset about PvP.
>>144251529
No, it's just a cash grab.
>>144251529
Just fuck off and play the game if you like it. Asking some retard in /bdog/ if the game is dying or if it will recover is just about the stupidest thing you could do.
>>144251817
This. I hate this.
>>144251817
Stay mad joushka.
>ganked by autists
>node nearby
>just run back
>don't care about dying thanks to the new patch
>the best patch of 2016
>autists continue to gank and start spewing abuse since they're getting salty
>eventually they stop bothering because their karma is tanked
Hey, nobody's forcing you to gank someone minding his own business. Don't mind me while I ks your mobs now. :^)
>>144251931
>shit at the game
>die over and over again
>keep going back to die more just to mildly inconvenience someone
>HEH, DONT MIND ME.... KID
>>144251817
What are you going to do about it, bitch?
>>144252094
forcing someone into lowering their karma to the point where you can steal all their kills is more than just "mild inconvenience"
>>144252094
Made quite a few million of silver already and gained a ton of xp. They can only kill you for so long. I wouldn't even bother ksing if they didn't feel like ganking. Game is pretty fun. Stay mad though. :>
>>144252303
>>144252429
I don't get it, do you lose damage or something with lower karma?
>>144251423
>shut publisher
>shut
or you mean shit?
Is the publisher closing down for reals? Explain
>>144250959
I dropped it because there's only grinding with no goal. Horrible game.
>>144253003
at negative karma you can de enhance weapons when you do, so your +15 gear can go +14
your crystals have a higher chance of breaking
AND you lose exp
>>144254486
Yeah, but how does that affect anything? If you start "ksing" a group or person that can easily kill you, how are you even getting kills in the first place? Can't they just easily out-damage you on monsters too? All you'd be doing is slowing both of you down, which doesn't make sense unless every channel is full.
>>144254716
You just grind ahead of them. They stop killing you because they're low on karma. Remind yourself that these people are pussies anyway so they won't risk dropping below zero. Which means you just grind mobs they haven't gotten to yet and disrupt their rotation.
As a solo player you can only kill so many packs per minute so for me it makes no difference. For them the difference is huge.
>>144254972
That's pretty lame. I like the new system they're debating implementing though, with Bounty Hunting and lowering the amount of Karma you lose.
I just wish the penalty for PvP wasn't so high, I'd like to be a Rogue/Outlaw, but I can't afford to keep losing my gear all the time. Maybe I should make a Ranger to farm for my Outlaw character or something.
>>144255214
Eh. They wouldn't have had to endure lame behaviour if they weren't lame themselves. There was plenty of room.
>>144151709
>I remember a YC member asking what the deal with eight chan was and they said basically that eight chan sees 4chan users just like 4chan users see leddit users.
that was me
and it's not really on the same level
feel free to join, 8c-.hinners and 4chinners aren'y very different.
What the fuck is this abomination?
>>144250959
In making infinite gameplay, they didn't realize that they made it impossible for people with lives to ever catch up. The game was nearly perfect, but when people started getting ahead, the others realized they'll never be able to catch up and stopped playing.
I was surprised to see it die, because they did everything else so right, but man devoting your time to one game all the time is too much to ask, it became like having a child
>>144256442
>people that don't put in effort want to compete with people that put in fucking tons of effort
Sounds fair to me, even as a wageslave that works 7 days a week.
>>144257076
Oh it's completely fair that people who put in less time, should get less content.
That's the thing that killed WoW, they had a perfectly balanced effort for reward system, then they catered to the casuals who whined they deserve content by playing.
They added LFG and made instances easier so people could progress, and it ruined the game for others.
You can't do too much, and you can't do too little. MMO developers don't seem to understand this so i doubt we'll ever see one survive.
>>144256442
that's my issue
i'm still playing and enjoying the game but I feel almost neglectful if I'm playing another game
>I could be leveling x lifeskill
>could be grinding for x gear
>etc
>>144257441
I think the main problem with BDO is that you basically beeline to 50 without a problem and then you hit a wall, that was fine back when 50 was the softcap because you really didnt need to go beyond that and take your pace.
Then come the expansion and they "balanced" mobs around the idea players had 100/100 meaning about +10/15 gear ... so until you go get that you either farm it or be carried in a farm group.
So I am looking at 2 expansions I cannot do a damn thing because of my gear level being too low unless I go around doing boss scrolls that is boring as fuck for the materials, the pacing of leveling just changes too much.
This could be solved if they nerfed the shit out of the Expansion mobs but then you have the git gud tryhards that go about challenge, the other option would be making gear having less of a impact but they arent doing that either.
WoW was ruined by the raiders mentality, not casuals ... its people that get the best gear and then whine when a expansion comes and raises the stakes because they are no longer Number One.
>>144258505
That's how I feel. I ever log off to play DayZ or CS with bros all I can think about is I could be leveling horses or getting more contrib right now.
>>144255989
Hi Biggs! Hope you're doing well.
>>144258710
everything 4th line and below is wrong, 3rd line and up i can see your point.
Raider mentality is essentially what made WoW so popular, people strived to be the best, and have the best gear. people were competitive about being invited to guilds, because to get the best stuff you needed to be in good guilds, and even a wageslave could accomplish this if he focused and was smart about it.
>>144260216
Wrong. What made WoW so popular is that it managed to cater to just about everyone around the WotLK era. As a hardcore vanilla raider, actually being around at the time, I can attest to this. Vanilla had a lot going on besides PvP perhaps. It didn't have the PvP it has today but people enjoy the open world PvP so much they created their own scenarios. Eventually even that was catered to and with all the different styled servers, Warcraft started soaring in popularity.
It catered to casuals (not so much in vanilla), PvErs, PvPers and roleplayers beautifully. It was a complete game in every sense of the word. Raiding was just an aspect of it that you could do but it was definitely not the only enjoyable feature.
Epics became easier to acquire in TBC and even easier in WotLK (this is also when raiding was made a lot easier). WotLK made WoW peak and it was beautiful. And it wasn't because of solely catering to raider mentality. It was because there was something to do for everyone. Dungeon queue, 10 man easy mode raiding, LFR, questlines, achievements, arenas, battlegrounds, all in an open world with a complex system (talents, skills etc.). It was a hell of a game.
Nowadays, WoW is severely dumbed down and the complexity is lost. The storyline doesn't make sense to a lot of people and people are bored of unimaginative raid instances. They abandoned dungeons for whatever reasons so casuals get bored, professions got nerfed, PvP became a drag due to uninteresting dumbed down talents and shoddy balance, and also fucking garrisons.
>>144258710
>WoW was ruined by the raiders mentality, not casuals
WoW was ruined by the casuals who thought that they were entitled to shit because they were paying a sub. So they added badge rewards and raid queue systems, something no raider would ever ask for because he raids to get gear and doesnt ask for handouts.
Thanks a lot, casual fuckfaces - you ruined the game
>>144261481
This is all wrong, i typed a big argument out explaining all of it, but i deleted it, because you'll never understand unless you witnessed it,
>>144267394
>>>MLG
Get fucked you edgelord nignog, the patch was an unsubstantial change.
>>144270624
Fucking casual normalfags had to bitch about the game being too hard for them.
Why does dying in a virtual game trigger so many aspies? So what if you lost 1% EXP. It's a game. Get over it. Stop being so mad you got bested.
>>144272042
Yeah so they softened the blow to xp. I don't see how that's terrible for anyone. You can still push people out of grind spots, it's still a thing you can do.
Now you just have to commit to those who come back to get fucked over and over again, now there's a risk to constantly killing other players in the form of gear degradation. Wow guys, it's almost as if karma is a meaningful mechanic now, not something that dips under 300k for like 5 minutes because before the patch a death or two turned players away from a spot.
