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Previous Thread: >>143959479
overtime is cancer
>>143969338
just kill them all, you shitter
Ugh. A minute in and the thirstfags are already posting porn
>>143969837
Kill em all you say?
WHO /More than the Fairy/ HERE?
How does one carry in soloqueue
i have the strange feeling that having ~74% winrate with my team forces me to play with shitters on soloqueue so i go down to 50% winrate
>>143981090
>How do I play Winston?
Look for Mercy
Hop into the team
Chase mercy
Zap mercy
Hop out
If Mercy equals X, and Y, Z, A, and B equals Widowmaker, Hanzo, Genji, and Tracer, then you will be W
(W+X=-X)
(W+Y=-Y)
(W+Z=-Z)
(W+A=-A)
(W+B=-B)
(W2+W=W)
(W6+W6=Entropy)
So therefore W+(XYZAB+W) = W regardless of the circumstances.
It's literally elementary.
you can not stop the monkey trouble
Who is friendless here and play alone? ;_;
i literally have no idea where to begin to set up my sensitivity properly
help????
>>143981539
Just be yourself.
>>143969837
easier yet, stay on the fucking point and move the enemies away from it
>DUDE WE'RE PUSHING AND IT'S OVERTIME WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?!?!?
>I KNOW, I'LL JUST BACK AWAY FROM THE POINT SLOWLY SO WE LOSE OVERTIME EVEN THOUGH I'M A TANK WITH FULL HEALTH!!!
Why is there so fucking much Junkrat/Roadhog porn? Like, I got to paheal and the vast majority is gay porn.
I get that they are partners and all, but fuck, I wouldn't think there would be this many barafags who want to see Junkrat's ugly mug sucking cock.
>>143980385
we need an edgy reaper PoTG collage asap
What the hell is this icon on the left of my screen? The game is laggy as fuck and my cpu just reached 80 C while it never even comes close to that
friendly reminder to not pick Genji
>>143981539
You can't
Being team-based, 3+ deadweights and shitters are already autolose and you might as well do it for the exp
Then again, people will still judge you for your win rate when win rate doesn't mean anything
>>143968767
KONO MEI DA
>volskaya attacking point B
>be winston
>leap over entire team
>take out hanzo and zen
>ape out
>punch mei and roadhog off the level
>die
>team doesn't even manage to cap the point
WHAT ARE PUB SHITTERS EVEN DOING RRREEEEEEEEE
Let's see those potgs
POST
Heroes with best legos
Heroes with worst legos
Best: Toblerone
Worst: Lucio
>Team is tearing shit up on point
>MY TIME TO SHINE
>RYUJIN NO KEN WO KURAE MAZDA TOYOTA
>Enemy Widow potshots me as I enter from behind
>>143981675
did you check to see if your team was around or alive before you did that
>>143981594
I have a 30cm wide mousepad, I spin 180 degrees in that distance
some would say it's too little but it works for me
>>143981624
Sandstorm followed by Let the Bodies Hit The Floor with just 30 min of Qing
What is with the token hanzo player in every game? He usually does nothing but it usually doesn't matter since the enemy team also has a token hanzo player that does nothing.
>>143981594
Did you play source shooters/quake before this?
https://jscalc.io/calc/djyxBymfcWCIgD4f
If not, what I find to be a good starting point is this:
Drag your mouse from one side of your mousepad to the other, in-game.
Your character should spin about 360 degrees.
Then adjust from there.
Want two spins per full mouse pad swipe? Go for it.
WINSTON BUFFS WHEN
>>143981721
I did and they were. They were almost all standing near the entrance of point B, the wall-like area that you have to walk around on offense.
so is there any decent OW youtube channels yet?
>>143981719
>He didn't kill the Widow first
It's literally your job to destroy the turrets and widows so your team can walk in and THEN you can ult to clean up
>>143981626
Bad connection, packet loss.
do you guys listen to your own music or the ingame music when playing?
>>143981614
>>143981669
im losing around 70% of my soloqueue matches which you already can call a lose in the first 30 seconds
From the team/multiplayer games i played so far, this is the worst for solo playing
>>143981675
>>143981721
God, this happens way too often with me. I hate being the shitter going "Team? Team?" But fuck, at least in HoTs I can check the map. I just assume they are right behind me. They aren't. They are all dead.
>>143981624
Saw this gem yesterday.
https://youtu.be/xmjf-WRReFw
>>143981827
Sometimes my own music, sometimes in-game.
But when I listen to music I like to have it loud and usually it's really hard for me to balance that and the game sound so that I can hear both.
>>143981626
Packet loss/stream stall
>>143981802
drop the trip and i'll tell you
>>143981827
I listen to my friends complain about mcREE killing them then get titled and continue to try and 1v1 him because they are bakas
>want to try playing reaper
>pretty sure i'm going to get my dick stomped because I'm not good at close range
I'm also too pussy to try tracer
>>143981827
just have youporn open and listen to moaning.
>>143981637
Why?
>>143981809
Does that loli get raped?
>>143981754
I like Hanzo. He gives vision. And I like that he can climb even though I can't do anything with it.
And his Ult is pretty easy mode at my MMR.
>>143981885
This has to be satire.
It's perfect.
>>143981892
Yeah, that's why I'm asking. Out of all games I've played it's really difficult to balance the ingame audio with your own music I find.
is 4chan down again
>>143981827
enemy footsteps are a mechanic in the game, why would you blast external audio on top of them?
>>143982031
yes
>>143982048
this though
>camping somewhere
>hear CLOP CLOP CLOP
>turn around and wait
>blast tracer directly in the face
Might as well be hacking
>>143982031
yes
>>143981885
Is he level 5 with 5% winrate? Because his opponents sure seem like so.
>>143981864
True. I can see it. My problem is I play McCree and regularly die, because setting up a 1v1 is impossible at my MMR and I can't left click worth shit at range.
I run in, there's three people, I stun two, I die.
>>143981709
I completely agree
Reinheardt has some sick legos too though
>tfw jeff kaplan holds you down and gives you the dirty 50%
Tracer is for sexual
>>143981709
Balanced cowboy
>>143981763
it did like 4 360s
is it too high?
reminder whiners
>>143982106
He's playing on ps4, so no surprise.
>>143978869
FUCK OFF YOU SHILL, EVERY GODDAMN NEW THREAD YOU SPAM YOUR SHIT. DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU YOUTUBE VIEWS SO YOU CAN REPAY THOSE CRATES.
>>143982089
>mfw playing mercy for two bastions
>hear mccree
>tell them to turn because mccree is coming
>they ignore me
>they both get killed
>while one is getting shot he just sits there
>the other one just sits there like nothing is happening
>this happens throughout the entire match
>tell them they ned to switch heroes because they're being hard countered once a roadhog comes in with the hooks as well
>they say "No we're not"
>>143982168
LIES LIE LIES
>>143982168
disbanding winning teams/matches is forced-50. It's exactly what it is.
>hey they're doing good lets put them against people way better to stomp them down a bit
>>143982168
I wish there was 50 forced because i'm at 39%
>>143982168
>implying skill-based match making doesn't automaticly end in 50%
>>143981969
No Chinatsu is still chaste.
I wanna play bastion but people yell at me
what do
>>143982168
>win 2 times with the same team
>team gets split up
>play with the loser against my previously team mates
>blizzard thinks I can carry them
alright.
>>143982261
I'm glad
>>143981952
>enjoyed playing mccree in the beta
>friends bitch about him on a game-ly basis. literally every time they die to him they bitch
>have to defend mccree and say hes not broken every time
>tfw I think he's legitimately fucking stupid broken now but have to keep up this facade for no reason
kill me
>>143982147
If you're comfortable with it, then it's not too high.
But I'd say you're probably sacrificing a lot of minute accuracy and tracking ability with sens that high.
It also depends on how big/small your mousepad is
>>143982269
Who yells at you? I play bastion on payload defense and almost always get 25+ kills. Unless the enemy team is hard-countering you bastion is a perfectly acceptable pick. If mercy dickrides your nuts you're basically unkillable.
>>143982302
cuck
>>143981809
I killed their Widow earlier, and when our team pushed I ran out with ult and he just shot me dead.
>>143982302
weren't people complaining about bastion last week? Don't worry, they'll complain about Widowmaker or something soon.
>>143981702
why did you walk around the bus? just pop your shield and beam those nigs
>tfw your too stupid to play anything but roadhog well
>>143982269
play him regardless, what kind of cuck are you?
>>143981709
I do not like Mei's legendary skins.
>people keep the potg intro in webms instead of cutting it out and upping the bitrate
triggered
>>143982168
>we match based on skill
what is this supposed to mean?
you get potatoes shackled to your team if it's too strong, and if you do well in spite of them you get more potatoes until you balance out
that is exactly what assisting win/lose is
>>143982168
this is why you group queue
>>143982419
>tfw you want to play Roadhog but enemy team always has competent Reapers
When does ranked play come out?
>>143981709
symmetra has the worst by far
all of phara's skins are great tho
rate me
>>143978869
>>143982197
dude, dont be rude, support me for my services. That video is very useful for knowing what to expect from the Loot Boxes.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>143982458
In theory it means they put you against better opponents. But it could also mean they put you with shitters. The teams re-balance after games i've noticed which means that you're going to be paired up with all the shitters you just stomped in the previous match on your next match.
>tfw roadhog hitscan hooks you, you keep running 10 feet away around a corner and he drags you across 20 surfaces just to give you the whole hog
>>143982503
Fag
>>143982269
watch torb vids to steal sentry placements, then put yourself there instead
>it's a "we have worthless Genji mainer on Defense who refuses to switch off" episode
All mainers are cancerous.
>>143982197
>Not just having adblocker
He doesn't get funding if you use based stopsign.
>>143982515
Devi is okay.
>>143982516
10/10
>>143982457
https://youtu.be/xdMkWClzUBc
>he thinks the game is balanced
>idiots who watch this will agree with him
Someone needs to put a stop to this. I stopped listening to his dumbass a while ago, don't know why I'm still subscribed.
>>143982553
i mean support the video creator, since i am not the one who made it. I am just a nice 3. party
>>143982516
Outstandinglyaverage
>>143982168
>implying they'd ever tell the truth
I wake up only wanting to get back from work and play Overwatch
>>143982516
50/50
>>143982516
fag/10
>>143982659
who the fuck is this and why should I give a shit what he thinks?
>>143982438
Abominable has yeti shoes. What more do you want?
>>143982614
it hasn't even got any ads to begin with
Genji players are by far the playerbase that suffers the most from dunning kruger
It's never their fault, it's always the tickrate, or a champion that's broken, or deflect not working
Obviously, how could they fuck up? They're playing the self-declared HARDEST hero in the game, it's not their fault other people aren't capable of playing the superior japanese steel hero
>>143982612
>playing defense on King's Row
>four of my team mates decide to play offense heroes the entire match and cause our shit to get pushed in, they aren't even dealing damage
>we then switch over to attacking
>they pick defense heroes
>>143982516
>tfw win rate used to be over 60 then had almost an entire day of losing
Here is a Zarya comic because I never see any art of her.
>>143981709
best: widowmaker's huntress, mercy's sigrun/valkyrie, pharah's raindancer
worst: roadhog
>watch a "pro" match
>all play like casual scrubs
why the fuck do these tournaments even exist?
>>143981709
Winston's Legos are really bad. Like, awful. I get he is a gorilla, but fuck, man.
As for best, I love how Bastion's change the bird.
what level do i have to be on the leaderboard for a hero before i can make elitist posts about them?
is 200 good?
>>143982749
Exactly!
every day until yousissy
>>143982785
Then he cant get funded by it.
Adblocker blocks all forms of revenue to youtube. Its good for shitposters.
>>143982874
>Confusing prostheses with being an omnic
That's...excessively dumb. Even for Zarya.
>>143982874
I liked the joke and the use of Russian. A bit weird.
>tfw entire team dies to wombo combo ult push in last few seconds
>Win game by team wiping with ult
>PotG goes to a Hanzo who killed 3 people with ult on first point as he watched the rest of them take it
SUFFERING
>>143982874
Aren't you that /lolg/ artist
>>143982926
im only 202 am i allowed to have an opinion
How are my D.Va stats? I've only played 13 hours.
>Kings Row
>on defense with Junkrat
>team is playing well and we are holding them back
>Walk out in opening and see a laser and realize one of them switched to Widowmaker
>press the duck button real quick
>get killed
>kill cam shows the bullet being above me where me head was before I ducked
>still killed me
I'm tired of this meme.
>reaper will never silently teleport behind you, roughly grab your head back, and slowly slit your throat
why even live
>>143982874
That comic is good. I'm so upset that blizzard ruined zarya with that shitty ass pink haircut otherwise would be a superb character. No russian has haircut like that, trust me.
>tfw you want to be good at a hero but you just keep sucking
who is it for you?
Mine is Pharah
>>143982659
You probably thought StarCraft was also unbalanced because 1 zergling can't kill 1 marine, eh? :^)Nevermind, I doubt you were even born when SC came out.
>>143982981
mercy is the best thing to happen to female players who have a domination fetish
http://www.pcgamer.com/blizzard-hopes-to-improve-overwatch-play-of-the-game-highlights/?utm_content=buffer3c768&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamer
Well at least they're aware
>>143982874
I am seeing a shitton more Zaryas lately, did someone put out a video showing how to actually play her?
>>143983035
He doesn't even have knives.
>>143982874
This is good, post more omniracist Zarya
I want Mei to bear my children.
>>143983103
>?utm_content=buffer3c768&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamer
lmao
>>143982553
>>143982667
proof that you're a paid shill. You're not doing anyone a service. We can all see in-game the items we can get, no need to watch a vid of someone unboxing 250 crates...
>>143983062
>She's literally based off a real blizzard worker
Try again.
>>143982997
Zarya states that Genji can't be trusted, he has a slightly full on case of the prosthetic pieces. I suspect she doesn't fully trust any of the cast with robot bits, except maybe Torb because they're both robot racists.
>>143983082
But anon, Zerglings hatch in pairs and can more than outmatch a marine if they get in melee range.
The cost input well exceeds the output.
Zealots on the otherhand are pure bullshit as zerg.
>>143983035
get help anon
>>143983112
No, everyone just realized shes one of the best tanks in the game.
>>143983152
Shits dumb.
>>143981885
>Skillet
>Flashbacks to being an edgy as fuck teenager
I didn't ask for this.I don't know if it's worse than being a raging faggot though.
>>143983078
hanzo for me. i keep trying to actually aim for people but it seems like the trick is to just shoot down crowded hallways and hope people run into your arrows.
>>143983103
>there are people who are still mad about Bastion
He's easy as fuck to counter. Now Mei, fuck Mei.
>MADA MADA
>>143983078
>lower your mouse sensitivity
>shoot from farther away
>stay in the air 90% of the game
>ez kills & ez wins
>>143983015
>implying you team wiped shit alone with Genji's ultimate on Hanamura's final point
>get matched up with Lirik
>get nervous
>>143983078
>try to hit directs
>can't hit directs
>die
>repick hero
pharah is hard
I thought this combo was just a meme.
>>143983215
Literally run at her with a reaper
>>143983120
the claws on his gloves are enough for me
last week:
>wtf winston is so awfule
>nerf bastion he is too strong
this week:
>holy shit the monkey trouble is real
>bastion is easily countered, nerf mccree
>>143983221
He says that so weird
>>143981621
>I get that they are partners and all
Are they really faggots?
>>143983215
Fuck the Mei that is on your team that builds an ice wall in front of the door when the game starts.
>>143983134
Nigga the only thing bear about Mei is here weight.
more rule 63
>>143983284
>playing DVA
>talks about cancer
>>143983284
pubs struggle to handle it. Even coordinated stacks struggle to counter it correctly, we play it a lot in my 6 man queue with friends to generate salt.
>>143983242
But I did though
I killed the McRee by reflecting his high noon, jumped on and killed Zenyatta in two seconds, used ult to bust down the Zarya and Reinhardt from behind while kiting them and then went and cleaned up the Hanzo who for some reason was standing off the point missing every arrow
Considering entire team was dead at that point I'd say I did a pretty good job
jailbird or roasted for junkrat?
>>143983221
I will only play Genji if I unlock one of his human skins
Had the same rule with reaper until I got his mariachi
gotta have something that will keep my team from immediately losing hope when I lock the class
>>143983315
last week
>blizzcucks getting gunned down by bastion
this week
>people who actually know how moba balancing works
Ryuuji no kaioken!
>>143983406
jester is the only good trashmouse skin.
>>143983284
1 single genji walks in and kills the bastion and then the enemy team has 3 useless members
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuwE6BWYDes#t=19
>>143982219
HEROES NEVER LIE
>>143982874
>implying I understand vodkarunes
I shouldn't need a translation dictionary to understand a comic.
>>143968767
9000 hours in msp.
>>143983284
>winston jumps in
well that was fun while it lasted
>there are actually people who wouldn'tcuddleher
>>143983473
don't like it
>>143983475
>that ara ara
I'M SWITCHING TO JAP VOICES RIGHT NOW.
>>143981621
the real question is why is there so much mccree/hanzo porn it makes no sense at all
>>143981621
Who else could be dating this guy?
>>143982419
Good enough.
t. Mercy charging her ult on you
>>143983284
it's a pretty dank one.
post em
>>143983532
bretty gud
>>143983475
>mfw i change voice language to italiano
Jesse McCree! It's a great day to learn about McCree! Here are five facts about this jizz genie!
1. McCree says woah there!
2. Hold up!
3. Scuse me!
4. McCree!
>>143983515
Bastion would melt a single Winston. He's getting pocketed by a Mercy. The solution is a Reaper, preferably from a flank while someone else runs in front. Better yet a whole variety of ultimates will destroy that nest, or at least force them to reposition so you can hit them.
>>143983475
>the mere idea of milf widowmaker
>>143983475
>Encore?
>"Buh-raaavo!"
Japan, those words don't mean the same thing.
>>143983336
It's canon that Junkrat hired Roadhog to be his bodyguard but there split is 50/50 of all the loot
>go to sleep after playing for a few hours last night
>have a dream about Pharah
>wake up
>mfw
How come no one told me reaper was the greatest thing ever?
>that one fagget in team that yells after it dies and calls game over after enemy team starts first push
Ok, let's hear it. How much better did Overwatch do on its first week than Battleborn?
>>143983574
they're both hot and like to shoot
>>143983581
They could add a female Junker hero.
>>143983618
>Zenyatta orb for good measure
>join game
>DEFEAT
based matchmaking
>>143983607
So is the entire enemy team
>>143983406
BLACK
L
A
C
K
I had to make this decision the other day too
>That one guy who ALWAYS picks Bastion on both attack and defense
>Won't move up to take Control points or push payload
>Always parks himself at the corner just behind the front line so we make no progress but he can farm kills
IF YOU AREN'T ON AN OBJECTIVE
WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN
MOVE UP
>>143983564
how do you change the audio language?
>>143983406
Roasted I have jailbird and dont need any other ppl wearing it
>>143983721
go on
>>143983703
japanese symmetra and mercy are both christmas cake as fuck
>>143983769
>What is: McCree
>>143983629
Too lazy to edit, from upper left to bottom right:
Toblerone
Mei
Mercy
>implying
Mei
Mercy
>>143983809
apparently you can't, FUCK BLIZZURD.
>>143983618
>On Attack on Volskaya at the gate
What in the hell? What would that even accomplish?
The day when mcree and widow get their nerfs game will change forever.cant wait
>>143983769
Who is double Winston
Reminder that reddit is retarded if you haven't forgotten already
Where does Reaper get all of the guns from?
>>143983769
>""""""""""""""""""competetive players""""""""""s76
Holy shit I don't want any more Hanzos on my team
Like ok, I understand. You like bows, you're a huge weaboo. Your favourite way to play shooters is camping in a spot being a useless sack of shit showing everybody your s1ck a1mzzzz skills.
BUT AT LEAST PICK FUCKING WIDOWMAKER NOT THE WORST FUCKING DEFENSE CHARACTER IN THE GAME
YOU WANT TO BE A SACK OF SHIT SNIPER ALRIGHT BUT PICK THE GOOD ONE
Now that the objectively better metric is available on watcher.gg, I wonder where do /owg/ stand.
>>143983805
there are more important things in life than winning
like kdr
>>143983735
>Comparing a moba with a arena shooter
Anyway, I think Overwatch stole EVERYTHING that came out this year the show.
>>143983475
>this is widows japanese voice actressplease tell me she does h-games as well
>>143983284
>>143983385
>Even coordinated WoW and HS players struggle to counter it correctly, we play it a lot in my 6 man queue with friends to generate salt.
FT4U
>>143983885
>Nerf Widow
Honestly, does she need it?
>>143983084
>female
>>143983629
>>143982314
do people really sweep their mouse that far in comp games?
if you want to know how awful the current """pro comp scene""" is, one friend i know irl is in one of the top 5 teams, and he's absolutely awful at fps games. think dudebro console tier kind of guy, playing on pc, that awful
>>143983881
Yes you can, just go into Overwatch game options in the battle.net launcher, not inside the game.
>>143983901
But that's a completely reasonable argument.
>>143983965
no Mercy ults needs nerfs Widow is fine.
You guys think that they'll buff Phara? She's pretty damn weak
>faggots want me to heal slut as Lucio
>While already having a mercy on the team
Why are they so angry?
>>143983475
thats fucking terrible
it sounds like some shitty milf character from a low budget anime
>>143983965
her sniper recharge should be slower
>Tfw love genji
>Really bad at him
>People get buttmad at me for playing him
>Can't get good if i can't play him
Why
>>143983532
Flash OVER the shield if you wanna stun Reinhardt
>>143983965
>bodyshots for 150 damage
>charges the rifle within 2 seconds to max
>wallhacks for entire team
>only counter is winston/widow on your team
I really wonder.
>>143981702
>get two quadras in one game as zarya
>potg is genji getting three kills
Well fuck right off blizzard.
>>143983965
Yes, she's far too ezmode. Just an increased recharge time on sniper shots.
>people saying I did bad
How the fuck could they objectively know? I'm gold for a reason. I wish they could just fucking see I'm gold and they're not.
>>143983750
Australian Jinx?
>Mercy on a team full of Widowmakers, Hanzos, and Reapers
I can just leave right? why do people play this way? Do they just not care if they lose and want to play their mLg assassin characters?
>>143983475
i want to suck widowmakers dick
Got this noire widowmaker code I'm never going to use. PC, if that matters.
Someone give it a good home maybe.
3454-123804-08630-122990-9580
battle.net/code
![Pharah_Skin_Mechaqueen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nqvwthb.jpg "Pharah_Skin_Mechaqueen[1].jpg")
>>143983629
fuck making an image
most played
>protodad
least fave
>shitter-autolock-waits-for-q-and-kills-two-people hanzo
most fave
>free headshots mei
hard carry
>competent mercy
cancer
>poo in loo
waifu
>mechaqueen
Overwatch is a pretty good game for people who don't want to learn how to aim anything.
Just spam everything with infinite explosives.
Is this easy mode?
>tfw 49 elims and 10k damage done as tracer
>>143984180
>3454-123804-08630-122990-9580
The code you entered has already been claimed.
fuck you
>>143983629
>>143983898
good taste
>named "saltminer"
>is a terrible widow on my team
nailed it
