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>>143735104
>>143735117
And yet he still continues to write these shitty stories for no reason
What a fucking hack
>>143735094
Every day until you stop cheating.
King of Kings.
>>143735180
I don't need to cheat I have a level 10 attack buff waver, that's basically the same thing.
>>143735165
Just accept that that's what Fate is about. You and no one else matters, everything happens according to fate and you can't change that.
>Waste time reading all the shit in this franchise
>lol doesn't matter super raid boss makes all of these characters irrelevant even if they gang up you have no chance lolol such good writing i'm so deep by shitting on humanity
wew nasu
monthly reminder that DDD has the strongest character Nasu has ever written.
I love you Gilgamesh!
How's this for a poverty anti-Assassin party? I kept getting my ass kicked by the Assassin fight during the Da Vinci event, so I wanted to set something up hat could withstand something like that, even if it's a slow fight.
Ignore the stuff to the left of the Support, I just threw my best muscle in there in case the vanguard fucks up.
>>143735212
He didn't list him because he is above bullshit like that. Powerlevels only matter to humans, not Lovecraftian Outer Gods like PM.
>>143735286
You seem ridiculously butthurt about this for no discernible reason. You think the existence of the Tarrasque in Forgotten realms ruins every other story too or something?
It's not as if PM is the biggest swinging dick introduced yet, ORT is supposed to be even worse. Why are you so angry?
>>143735336
You mean to the right of the support?
And it's fine, the only addition would be maybe Iris out for Hans
>>143735317
>There are beings that are not primates in this setting.
Which are below humans and therefor also below PM.
>You read all Nasus shit about humanity overcoming beings ridiculously stronger then them to better themselves and came away with that?
And in the end it doesn't matter because humanity only exist because it's allowed to.
>>143735480
>Super raid boss
He's clearly referring to ORT since that's how Nasu usually speaks of it
I want to sexually harass da Vinci-chan!
>>143735286
Type Moon like classic Marvel.
You think humans are top shit, but when you zoom out into the bigger picture you realize there's so much shit out there that makes humans look like less than an insect in comparison. They could wipe out humans instantly, but why would they? They were not ordered to do such a thing, they do not care about humans, they do not recognize them as a threat to kill, humans don't matter to them. A human would never take an art seriously after all.
However humans do posses the potential to keep improving and evolving, so one day they might be strong enough to challenge the concepts of creation.
There are a lot of other species out there which have broken past their host planet and reached the stars as well. Whether humans can ever reach their level is the question at the moment.
>>143735457
>Nasu made non Fate stories about that. In Fate Humanity will fuck you up, retard. Try to follow the franchise and apply yourself.
In Fate humanity is worthless because everything is bigger and stronger.
>>143735524
>things that aren't primates are below humans
No
>things that are below humans are therefore primates
I don't even have a reaction image for how stupid that statement is
And don't bring shitposting into a new thread you faggot.
>>143735572
A-Anon~
>>143735457
>In Fate humanity will fuck you up
Even if every overpowered servant in existence ganged up on Primate Murder or ORT, hell even if every servant in existence ganged up on Primate Murder or ORT and had every DAA + Arcueid and both Shikis there to boot they'd all get shit on without accomplishing anything.
>>143735572
Da Vinci seems more like the proactive type.
>>143735212
>this is what fatefags actually believe
What, you want Nasu to give him stats, too?
>>143735547
>tfw ORT raid never because DW potato server couldn't handle it
>>143735286
Geez, how could a Franchise about humanity exaltation and limits doing the impossible and evolving through ideals and proving themselves be about humanity wins over irrelevant monster created to be a mid boss.
Anon, are you retarded? If you want something different, go read Notes. Fate was always about HUMANITY FUCK YEAH.
>>143735212
The list only counts things that have appeared in works before
Tell me what work Primate Murder appeared in. For that matter, you're telling me that you think Nasu said that Shiki is above every Aristotle? Nasu didn't list them either, so clearly that's what you're saying. The reason PM and the types don't count is because they haven't appeared in anything yet.
>>143735575
It needs all 7 Grand servants together to fight it. and they still can only barely hold it back.
>>143735515
>You mean to the right of the support?
...ah, yes.
And here I was feeling all smug about seeming completely clear-headed despite sleep deprivation. I wish my brain could just act slugish like normal people's instead of seeming completely alert but crossing wires in the stupidest possible way.
>>143735736
>Fate is humanity fuck yeah
Wow good thing that Fate is only a small part of Type-moon's established work which in retrospect just shows you that humanity is shit compared to stuff like ORT or PM who nasu is on record as saying would shit on servants no matter what in any quality or any number
Nobu a CUTE.
>>143735756
Guardians aren't grand servants, don't spread falsehoods. Just because Nasu said in one interview "It takes seven things for this" and in another interview he said "It takes seven things for that", don't conflate them to be talking about the same thing.
>Turkeyhandle shitters got blown out so hard they decided to shit up a brand new thread
>>143735382
>he's above bullshit like that
>but arc isn't
He didn't list him because he's irrelevant. I can't wait for Mashu to smash him.
>>143735616
>However humans do posses the potential to keep improving and evolving, so one day they might be strong enough to challenge the concepts of creation.
And before that day they all get wiped out by those that matter to prevent it.
>>143735736
>Fate was always about HUMANITY FUCK YEAH.
Fate is "Fuck Humanity". Even the absolute strongest of us don't matter at all in Fate, what does that they you about everyone else? Exactly, they are completely fucking irrelevant.
>>143735616
>Humans aren't shit and thus aren't worth attention
>Gaia dedicates an entire being to shit on humans
>Calls every other Type to come shit on humans just incase
>They all respond
>Meanwhile we're supposed to still believe humans are shit according to Nasu
>>143735851
The Grands are the original 7 guardians you idiot
>>143735810
Fate is the only important TM work. The rest is unpopular shit that leeches big cow success. That's why you have Galactica saber who can one shot shit like ORT easily.
>>143735851
Those worthless guardians are now upgrade to being Grand Servants. It's the same fucking thing.
>>143735965
Well seeing as Solomon is fucking around in Chaldea time-zone shit I guess Primate Murder is running amok in GO
>>143735913
>F/SN
>Humans overcome part human and non-human threats because of will and love and shit
>Extra
>Humans overcome a genocidal ghost because of will and love and shit
>CCC
>Humans overcome eldritch horrors and demons because of will and love and shit
>GO
>Humans overcome the strongest Servants and whatever is the real boss because of will and love and shit
>Fate is "Fuck Humanity"
Have you read literally any Fate
It only took me ten years to edit these and I'm still not happy with them, but here's Li Shuwen's My Room lines.
>Master. It's far too early to bow out.
>It's true that I am a Servant, but that alone will not make me a man who will prostrate himself before you.
>What? If you have what it takes to command me, then I will do as you order.
>If two warriors meet, isn't it simply human nature to want to compare who's superior?
>Simple murder is weighed down by people's ideas of morality. So of course, I don't like it.
>As for the likes of wishes, I'm satisfied so long as I have this flesh of mine. Do what you want with whatever else remains of me.
>Bond 1: If you want training, go somewhere else.
>Bond 2: It can't be helped… Let's start with teaching you a thrust.
>Bond 3: Very well. Come at me.
>Bond 4: There! Your kung fu is still not good enough! Next, next!
>Bond 5: If I could regain my youth, my wish would be to dedicate my entirety to martial arts. When I grow old, I'll get all worked up over trying to understand the meaning of death. Both of those are still me. There will come a day when you understand that.
>Event: Something stinks. Master, we'd better go check on it.
and a bonus summoning line.
>Summoning: Servant, Lancer. My true name is Li Shuwen. You may put my spear to use freely.
I'd finish polishing off his ascension lines and stuff but goddamn, he can be so fucking boring.
>>143735870
>He didn't list him because he's irrelevant.
>I see. When speculating on the nature of the Fate/ setting, I think I’d like to consider the bigger whole that is the TYPE-MOON multiverse. For example, when talking about a being that will lead the humanity to destruction, it’s easy to think of Primate Murder [1], so does this mean that it’s possible that we’ll see the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors [2] come into the story?
>Nasu: Ahh… [laughs] The only thing I can say right now is “it’ll happen when it happens”. Originally, TYPE-MOON fantasy is supposed to be “the story of a person or a city,” and doesn’t involve large-scale stories. I would even say I was trying to avoid “epics,” since I was writing based on fantasy tales [3] from the 80s and 90s. That being said, FGO is no longer the story of an individual, but a story that can easily reach the scale of the entire world. So it wouldn’t be strange at all to bring out Primate Murder. Throughout all the settings, there are a lot of things where I’d think, “I can’t bring this into the story. That would be like bringing in Godzilla!” but if it’s FGO, it’s not out of the question. So if the time is right, even the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors might show up.
>>143735870
Arc is human and weaker than PM. He isn't listed because powerlevels are beneath him.
>>143735810
>or PM who nasu is on record as saying would shit on servants no matter what in any quality or any number
He only said that about ORT, don't get confused. Nasu did say that PM's authority could be overcome by raw power, if you have a very stupid amount of raw power. A guardian in its full form is compared to Dark Sakura at the end of HF. It takes at least seven of them to have a chance. Nasu already said that PM is probably going to appear in FGO.
Guardians are not the same as Grand Servants as well, if you compare Solomon and Dark Sakura then the difference is staggering. He can blow up the world, while DS is probably more of a city-wide threat.
Grands are what you call in when shit is really bad, to deal with planetary threats.
>>143736021
He's in control of that DAA girl
Fucking secondaries
>>143736061
And when did they overcome ORT or PM? Or when did Nasu say they -COULD- overcome ORT or PM? Oh right he said the exact fucking opposite meaning all that shit is absolutely meaningless.
All that garbage was just humans against other humans fundamentally which doesn't mean fuck all once you realize ORT and PM exist
>>143735965
No, they are not, you fucking retard. Learn what a fucking Counter Guardian is.
>>143735913
>Fate is "Fuck Humanity"
Sure, that's why they outlive earth and can travel to other works in CCC/Extra, right? That's why they are the only surviving species (thanks to Chaldea) in Grand Order on Earth, right? Face it. Humanity is the center of Fate. It's been like this since Prototype. FSN made it small scale, but Nasu returned to the roots.
>>143735865
Fuck off.
>>143736071
>Bond 2: It can't be helped… Let's start with teaching you a thrust.
>>143736021
PM is ignoring Solomon for now since he is doing his job for him. He'll get rid of Solomon if he tries to bother him.
>>143736158
It's ok mate, no one knew that the Grands were the original 7 until recently, gotta get with the times
>>143736093
So, he'll be a one shot boss by Mashu in some event? Like I say, irrelevant.
>>143736071
>those translations
>>143736108
So in the end ORT is still the end-all be-all so you're still fucking retarded, now fuck off
>>143736141
>And when did they overcome ORT or PM?
>hurr why haven't people beaten characters who have never appeared
It blows my mind that people are this stupid.
>>143736071
Thanks anon!
>>143736141
Are you trolling, or are you just abnormally butthurt about believing that this is all about fucking humanity? You sound like a caricature of a fourteen year old who just learned what edgy nihilism is.
>>143736197
There's no way to make Li Shuwen not sound dirty. Here's one of his battle entry lines.
>Well then. I wonder if you'll be able to satisfy this thirsty body.
Lewdest Lancer.
>>143736158
>Learn what a fucking Counter Guardian is
Are you fucking stupid? The Counter Guardians are now upgraded to Grand Servants.
>Humanity is the center of Fate.
And the rest of the Nasuverse shows that the events in Fate are of such little importance that they and everyone in it doesn't matter.
>>143736198
PM is nonexistent. So he cannot ignore anything.
>>143736271
Yeah ignore the fact that Nasu said that servants literally CANNOT beat ORT you retard.
All of your garbage franchise is meaningless because the only thing keeping it going is the fact that Nasu hasn't put ORT into it yet
>>143736108
>Nasu already said that PM is probably going to appear in FGO
Source? what bussiness would he even have here?
>>143736071
Thanks anon, are you going to do other MyRoom lines?
xth for best kneesocks
>>143736271
They haven't appeared because it would mean everyone gets killed and there is no story. Fate can only be about insignificant humans living their insignificant lives while the rest of the world ignore that shit.
>>143736309
>The Counter Guardians are now upgraded to Grand Servants.
Are you completely retarded or just trolling?
>>143736309
>The Counter Guardians are now upgraded to Grand Servants.
No, retard. Counter Guardians are JUST FAKE HEROIC SPIRITS ACCORDING TO FATE GRAND ORDER. Are you stupid or something?
We have fucking Roman explaining the difference between them and Heroic Spirits when they met Assassin Emiya in Fate Accel. They are SHIT TIER lesser than Heroic Spirits.
>>143736351
If I get around to it, but be warned that I am very, very slow. Did you have anyone in particular in mind?
>>143736271
>Why hasn't Nasu put in characters that exist in the world but would instantly end the story or any future stories if they were to actually be used
Nasu just has them because he's a shit writer who wants to be edgy but doesn't have the balls to actually kill his cash cow
>>143736395
>>143736401
The Counter Guardians are now upgraded to Grand Servants.
>>143736309
>Are you fucking stupid? The Counter Guardians are now upgraded to Grand Servants.
We already met a proper Counter Guardian in FGO, you moron. Is this a troll or do you just have no idea what the hell you're saying?
>>143736309
Counter Guardians are NOT the 7 Grands AKA the original Guardians
>>143736335
>Nasu said that servants literally CANNOT beat ORT you retard.
Nasu also said that Arturia couldn't be summoned in another Class but Saber years ago.
Please give me your citation too.
>>143736346
Interview. Also he can always appear in an event like Shiki.
>berserker Edison
>IN America
What can stop him?
>>143736478
They are now.
>>143736417
Babbage still has no translations unless they were never put in a pastebin, same with Hundred Hassan, Kerry, Iris and probably some others. Babbage would be good because he seems fun, even if he's garbage in game.
>>143736486
Post said interview
So PM can be stopped by the likes of EMIYA, his dad and five other losers. Cool. Gaia is truly shit. No wonder she's a shitty jobber who gets her ass handed or killed most of the times.
Her only good job was to buff Arturia. Maybe if she had been smart and made PM a Saberface, she wouldn't job so hard.
>>143736443
>>143736473
This is just shitposting, isn't it? people can't be this retarded.
>>143736490
Diabetes
xth for Helena is cute.. CUTE!
2$ that the idiot spouting about "original guardians" is the same idiot who said Edison was buffed by the Counter Force.
>>143736490
He runs off electricity as Berserker. This might be his fabled Mazda form that he never got to show off before. Because he runs off electricity his master didn't care even if she died, since Berserker would keep going even without mana being provided, and eventually create her wish.
She summoned him because she wanted revenge against the phantasmal realm or divine spirits or some shit.
Before Berserker killed her however, whatever is currently possessing the Einzebern homuncules seems to have scared Berserker into going along with the contract. He's nothing but a feral beast in this form with the body of a lion it seems. Considering what war he's in, his power can't be underestimated.
That's what I've heard second hand at least.
>>143736679
>Edison was buffed by the Counter Force
I missed this, elaborate
>>143736486
It's from Character Material
>Said that as long as the battleground is earth, it has no weakness.
>Base concept being "hopeless despair". If this was an RPG, ORT would be the hidden boss that's stronger than the last boss. "WTF man, did you losers bother to think about game balance
>>143736559
This anon did >>143736093
>>143736556
>Babbage
I'll give it a shot. I remember really enjoying his dialogue during London.
>>143736546
>>143736473
Literal autism
>>143736679
I've seen some retard continuously reposting the same nonsense about the Grands being "the ones that stopped Primate Murder when it was unleashed", ignoring that there is no evidence that PM was ever unleashed at all and that the "7 Guardians" thing is anything other than an estimate rather than something that already happened.
It's a troll. He's been corrected enough times to know, so just ignore him.
The least dindu servant!
>>143736718
>This might be his fabled Mazda form that he never got to show off before.
Is this a thing? Mazda is just a line of lightbulbs he made.
>>143736726
There was an autism who claimed the counter force and alaya were involved and buffed Edison when AMerica was out which was proved wrong (and Accel Event just btfo all Alayafags, Alaya cannot intervene and didn't intervene when Solomon singularities are about because they are anti humanity; that's why Kiritsugu's presence in that fake singularity stands out).
>>143736585
>>143736796
Stop shitposting. Just accept that Nasu changes shit whenever he wants to.
>>143736773
Making PM's first appearance in FGO is completely idiotic, fuck Nasu
>>143736842
And fuck this secondary too
>>143736842
He threatens to turn into "Thomas Mazda Edison" by drinking a secret potion when you beat him, but Karna knocks the vial off his hands and tells him to listen to you.
>>143736582
>So PM can be stopped by the likes of EMIYA, his dad and five other losers. Cool.
In their full counter guardian forms
A guardian is given as much mana as they need to accomplish a task. In Fate/Zero he didn't need more mana than an average servant to kill a simple human, but when they're summoned to protect humanity they have infinite mana and power.
Guardians aren't summoned as just D rank shitters, they're compared to Dark Sakura.
>>143736779
Thank you anon
>>143736718
Holy fuck, FSF sounds entertaining. Really wish I kept studying moon
>>143736764
>Said that as long as the battleground is earth,
And? They can send him to the Moon and BTFO him. Even fucking Astolfo can travel to space. Do you even Nasu?
That means your bronze Servants can easily one shot him if you max their skills.
>>143736890
Nasu has never changed or even hinted at a change in his opinion that nothing will beat ORT.
Seeing as it's one of his oldest creations it's doubtful he ever will.
>>143736878
But what arguments did he give for Edison?
>>143737007
ORT is gone by Notes and Zelretch says something about it being a century too early for it to wake up in SF so that isn't quite true.
>>143736940
>In their full counter guardian forms
They are still shitty fake heroic spirits. It's canon now. Get over yourself, salty Tsukishitterfag.
Kiritsugu WAS summoned as Counter guardian in Zero Accel, by the way. Nasu retconned a lot of boring shit.
>>143737007
¡Stop falling for it, you idiot.
>>143736978
Luckily both the LN and the manga are slowly getting translated.
>>143737073
>Implying Zeltrech knows fuck all
He probably can't even comprehend ORT let alone handle it
>>143736982
>>143737094
Why do you write like a snotty child?
>>143736764
>Said that as long as the battleground is earth, it has no weakness.
That means that you can move him outside Earth and destroy him. A lot of Servants can travel outside Earth.
Solomon can shoot him from the atmosphere and space. So can Gil. And Enkidu.
>>143736878
That's not what I was claiming at all; I said that someone was intervening to give the heroes a chance in some ways. Since it should be impossible for a servant to cheat mode like this normally and be buffed by the throne, otherwise any asshole could basically do that in their home country which hasn't been the case so far, so something should be letting it happen. I then created the linked idea that something keeps summoning good heroes in each order so that the heroes aren't fucked in every situation by finding allies. Something is allowing them to have half a chance by tipping the scales when they are super fucked if nothing had intervened. Therefore maybe it was the counter force.
However America chapter confirmed its not the counter force helping them, since Tesla mentions that someone else summoned him to help the heroes. Meaning that some outside force is summoning some of the good heroes that you team up with in orders, and not the CF.
>>143737189
Why do you think?
>>143737141
>character says something
>that doesn't count he's stupid I know more, probably
Really.
>>143737094
>Kiritsugu WAS summoned as Counter guardian in Zero Accel
With just a small fragment of his true power.
>>143737102
Yeah, sucks only one manga volume a year though
Remind me why Zelretch has such a high rank in the DAA? if I remember correctly their rank represents how big of a threat they are to humanity, what makes so dangerous for humans?
>>143736830
Right, when he's summoned as his true self he'd kill you outright.
>>143737198
They'll be dead within a few seconds just like that DAA you retard
>>143737141
>Implying Zeltrech knows fuck all
>what is Kaleidoscope
>>143737198
Now that you mention it, does Enkidu need to breathe?
>>143737273
Travelling between worlds?
>>143737273
>undead parallel dimension crossing superwizard who rarely actively does things because it might wreck the timeline
He's a pretty big deal, yeah
>>143737237
I don't know if was you or someone else, but there was a dumbass persisting about Counter Force (which doesn't and can't meddle with Solomon. Thank you sweet event confirmation). There is indeed someone meddling. That's obviously Merlin who cannot fight directly but lends (you) a hand.
Merlin foretold what was going to happen in GoA. He even saw his reunion with Artoria.
>>143737273
Maybe because he hangs out in space talking to a telephone all day.
Although its probably because he killed a TYPE once.
>>143737141
Zelretch has the Kaleidoscope and has used it to kill Types before, he's one of the best people in the franchise to understand Types.
>>143737245
[Citation Needed]
>>143737506
>Used it to kill Types before
>Implying the dogshit that was Type-Moon is worth anything
>>143737421
>which doesn't and can't meddle with Solomon
It just doesn't bother doing so. If it wants to then it can.
>>143736297
>lewd kung fu oyaji
I've never had any interest in wanting to roll Li Shawn until this moment, thanks man
>>143737295
>Solomon
>dead
Anon... you know he conquered and shat on the concept of death right? Just checking.
>>143737356
He's clay. Why would he needed. He can always turn into an astronaut suit.
>>143737519
See >>143736940
Now fuck off.
>>143737615
>concept of death
ORT doesn't give a fuck about Gaia's concept of death.
>>143737356
I'm pretty sure no Servant needs to breath. When P. was suffocating people he was doing it by draining their mana, not by actually stopping them from breathing.
>>143737560
Roman stated Alaya cannot actually. It's not it doesn't bother, it's that it's unable to do shit.
Third Ascension! I hope you like it.
>>143737729
Love your work anon
Care to do a Don Quixote?
>>143737729
>subtle sword change
It's bretty good
>>143737729
Hey.. that's pretty good. Would waifu.
>tsukihime remake will have no H
>yfw Tsukihime remake is just Zeltrech observing a reality where Tohno never fucks Arcueid so that his daughterfu is kept pure
>Saberface unfortunate sideeffect
>>143737582
Dude just really likes to fight. I mean, REALLY likes to fight.
>>143737729
Jesus Christ that's incredible.
>>143737660
I see FSN shit. Where's your FGO quote? Don't bring outdated bullshit to the table, please.
>>143737817
See >>143736940
Now fuck off, shitposter.
>>143737817
FGO isn't even canon
>>143737660
Can you give me the text in Japanese. I'm sure that's poorly translated. Because I don't remember it when I played Realta Nua.
>>143737729
That third ascension looks sick
Like way better than half the servants already in game
What's the point of shit like ORT and PM even existing? They're so powerful you can't write a believable way for servants/ancestors to kill them, so making them a threat is would never truly happen, they're also too powerful to fight each other so that won't happen either. Shits just retarded power level faggoty.
Gilgamesh can solo all the apostles btw.
>>143737909
FSN isn't canon. Nasu already said FGO is his main work that he wants everyone to remember as legacy after he died.
>>143737729
Ryōka Yuzuki for VA. Any objections?
>>143737934
>Can you give me the text in Japanese.
You got it in superior English.
>>143737729
Ugly genderbent shit as always but hey, at least it's not written fanfiction
>>143738010
>They're so powerful you can't write a believable way for servants/ancestors to kill them
>Gilgamesh can solo all the apostles btw.
???
>>143738010
>What's the point of shit like ORT and PM even existing?
They are big monsters the heroes would wreck. They aren't characters, anon. You need to hype them before our Kouhai solos them.
>>143738010
>What's the point of shit like ORT and PM even existing?
To show that humans don't matter.
>>143737732
>>143737601
Is he talking to his fellow DAA buddy? The guy that was there at Arc's birth?
>>143738010
They exist because Nasu wants to throw in his Bloodborn Lovecraftian wank tier nihilist edge of the
>Humans will never amount to anything and are just shit that will get fucked up by these things some day
but he can't use them because they'd destroy his only source of income so he just puts them in materials instead
>>143738164
No, he's ordering a pizza.
>>143738031
That's Takajun shit translation which wasn't even proof read in HF. It directly contracts what Nasu calls Counter Guardians in CM III, so I think it's just awful translation.
>>143738116
>They are big monsters the heroes would wreck.
The "heroes" are just humans. They don't stand a chance against these beings.
>>143738010
>They're so powerful you can't write a believable way for servants/ancestors to kill them
This is where you became a retard. They're not there in order to be killed, they're there for the greater lore aspect to show humans are only one small part of a greater ecosystem.
Its like Galactus in Marvel; he's not there so you can kick his ass and feel accomplished. He's there to be fucking Galactus, and beyond petty mortal things. And even Galactus isn't special, there's hundreds of other living concept type entities out there.
If you only write a story in terms of "How can humans kill it and prove they're the greatest. And if they can't kill it then its powerlevel wank", then that's a shitty story. They aren't meant to be the threat in a story, they show that there's a greater world out there and there's still so much beyond your imagination. The second you can beat everything in the world, the world suddenly becomes an infinitely small thing in a box. Having shit that is incredibly beyond anything, yet its still small on its own scale is good in order to show how big the universe really is.
>>143738170
>>143738132
See >>143738116
They'll appear in FGO and Matthew will defeat them.
Is there a reason why all the Types were just obligated to show up to kill all the humans because Gaia asked them? It seems really pointlessly contrived for Gaia to be incapable of making her own type and this being presented as a Type when she can just ask 8 other ones to just show up and do everything for her
>>143738010
They are just there to expand on the universe/lore of it all. Its to show that they are there.
Do you honestly believe that Nasu will EVER write a story where Primate Murder or ORT do anything? If he has any self-respect as a writer, he won't because it goes against what they are if they are beaten.
I for one think they are just there, mentioned to tell you oh shit these things exist and thats it.
>>143738183What kind of pizza?
Cheese Pizza?
>>143738295
Humanity is Type Earth
We Eva now
>>143737729
If only the true Takuchi was this good.
>>143738205
Are you new to Nasu?
>>143738183
With mushrooms on it?
Isn't Kingprotea a galactic level threat?
ORT and PM are weaklings in comparison to her or Galactica Saber.
I want the Notes universe to get a proper full story.
>>143738245
Except we don't have any stories showing this greater ecosystem so all it does it make these stories not mean fuck all because they literally don't matter in the greater scheme of anything. It's just shitty writing, I have no reason to give a fuck about any story Nasu writes because of it. Nobody who is presented as strong even fucking matters, like who gives a single dogshit about Solomon. He isn't even a threat since he can't handle ORT or PM.
Your Marvel example doesn't work because those heroes are actually successful against those types of threats
>>143738346
Wait, what kind of cheese pizza are we talking about here
>FGO2 has a bigger budget due to the firsts success
>3D models
Would you be okay with that? I enjoy the sprites but the models could be p good
>>143738445
>Sakuraface and Artoria are the most powerful beings
Solar System Rin when?
>>143738245
Except Galactus has actually been defeated you fucking retard
Your analogy doesn't work because there are means by which humans were able to turn back, not kill or destroy, Galactus. Nasu's world is basically "Yeah nothing you can do at all lol"
>>143738395
>mushrooms on pizza
Jesus fucking christ I almost threw up. That's almost as bad as pineapple on pizza.
>>143738445
ORT and shit are conceptually strong, since they're deathless and stuff.
Protea just went "Fuck that" and took the idea of being literally strong to its absolute utmost.
>>143738562
>not liking hawaiian
underage pls go
>>143738461
>Except we don't have any stories showing this greater ecosystem
FGO is supposed to be that story. Everyone will be defeated by based Matthew. I look forward watching the autists rage when she crushes ORT with her shield.
>>143738612
You have to be underage to like that abomination of flavours.
>>143738537
Rin never has clones, she's a down to Earth girl.
>>143738461
>Unless a character can beat everyone and is the strongest, then who cares? You should only care about the strongest people!
So are you youknowwho, edgeanon, a shonenbaby, or baiting? It can't be anything but these.
>>143738245
No, shitty writing is telling the story about an ant when the preface is talking about how an atomic bomb that is leaking radiation that also might go off some day is in the house where the ant lives.
Which is what the Type-Moon universe fundamentally is and why it's fucking shit to read once you understand the entirety of it.
>>143738659
I bet you don't drink your coke with peanuts either faggot.
>>143738659
Do you also not put syrup on breakfast sausage?
>>143738563
They aren't deathless. They don't have a earth concept of death, but Protea can always eat Mercury and Earth with ORT inside.
Anyway, a bunch of Servants can shit on PM. MHX is an alien. PM has no authority on her. And all the Servants who live on her planet/dimension can beat Primate Murder because he cannot wave his authority, right? Nasu finds a way. That's why he cannot classify Servants power.
>>143738562
>Not liking mushrooms
You have to be 18+ to browse 4chan
>>143738612
>Liking Hawaiian
>Not underage
Pick one.
>>143737545
Types, and most things in the franchise in general suffer from hard counters and there always being a bigger stick. Also being unable to comprehend each other is a two way sword.
Zelretch was able to kill a Type using Second Magic because Types can't comprehend Earth Magic.
Ado Edem is basically just a modified human with a conceptual weapon and he killed multiple types.
The Six Sisters were creations of humans and they killed a Type.
The Black Barrel allows anyone to kill a type provided they're an unmodified human.
Humanity in Fate is pretty OP, even after we go extinct HFY is in full force.
>>143738663
>Missing the point entirely
The point is that Solomon isn't even a real threat because he isn't on the level of shit that was introduced years ago.
Who gives a single fuck about Solomon when shit like ORT and PM is out there. It's like Nasu is telling you to pay attention to the kid spraying your windows with a Super Soaker instead of the atomic bomb that just landed in your backyard but hasn't detonated yet.
>>143738660
She has. But they are shit (TOHSAKA and Extra Rin).
>>143738725
I put my syrup on pancakes you philistine
>>143738782
If Zeltrech is so tough why doesn't he go kill ORT?
Oh right, because he can't because he's shit tier.
>>143738860
You can put it on both, man
>>143738195
>CM III
You mean that made up bullshit? Sorry, nothing in that is canon.
You got your citation from the fucking VN. That is proof that it works that way.
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Has Jetfag been reborn into ORTfag?
>>143738842
>Clone shit
>Get shit
Extra Rin is better then Rin though.
>>143738810
Because you don't know if he is going to write that other shit into the story.
Solomon is a threat that is happening right fucking now, and is written into the story and is actively fucking everything up.
ORT is in a coma in the fucking Amazons, and Primate Murder is licking Arc's sister's foot. They aren't doing jackshit, so you SHOULD care about Solomon and the crazy shit he is doing.
I highly doubt PM, DAA, the Types, or any of that shit will be written into FGO anyways.
>>143738810
Solomon has feats.
ORT and PM only exist on paper. They haven't done nothing worth wanking for. If Nasu wakes up and decides they'll be as weak as a fly, he can do it, because technically they aren't characters who exist and showed up or had actual feats.
>>143738938
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Like ketchup on steak.
>>143738965
>>143738984
>H-he hasn't written them into stories yet!
>Even though they're in Character Material and he brings them up all the time as things that exist that would shit on everything ever introduced
Yeah ok
He wants to remind you that they exist every 5 seconds
>>143738945
He's Above World Level!
>>143738896
He's already gone and killed a Type, killing another is a bit much for an old man like him.
And why would he care about ORT now, he already knows ORT will be asleep in Nowhere, South America for centuries. There are bigger problems to worry about.
>>143738295
All Types are basically siblings. The smallest one got a few flies bothering it and the older brother and sister came to help their sibling get rid of them.
>>143739070
Nice argument there. I can easily say "Solomon killed them both, that's why they aren't important." Can you prove me wrong?
No, you can't. I don't feel it's worth arguing for. I don't really care about non characters.
>>143739083
>Bigger problems than the thing that could solo the entire planet and everything ever born on the planet by itself
ok
>>143738353
Those are the facts. Deal with it.
>>143739165
Solomon killed all of human history, last I checked ORT was a fucking alien lifeform that doesn't give a shit about anything associated with Gaia and Primate Murder is the same tier of "definitely not human"
>>143738505
No.
I'm sick of seeing models in mobage, it's disgusting.
>p
Oh, so you're underage.
>>143738782
All of the TYPEs that died are stated to not stay dead, they will be back.
You can't kill a TYPE permanently; even Type Venus who was "killed' is clearly still alive, along with the others. This is why its an impossible fight for humans from the start. Aristotles must be perfect, they must be without flaws, therefore death which is a flaw is something they do not naturally posses as long as they're in their full form. Unlike Arcuied who's brought down so low in power that she sometimes possesses death.
>humans aren't important
Who even thinks this way in the Fate franchise? Sounds like someone will be disappointed when their monsters got their shit handed to them.
Gaia is scared of humanity. Sure she created PM but did that help her in Notes? No, she fucking died. Some Whos are kicking Types.
>>143738663
He >>143738810 is right. It's shitty story-telling.
>>143739278
and this makes sense why
>>143739249
What Solomon did was more than that. By destroying human history, PM doesn't exist. He had no reason to be created. ORT wouldn't exist or be summoned either. He eliminated all timelines. He eliminated the concept of death itself too.
>>143739336
Read Tsukihime, and then NOTES
>>143739280
>Who even thinks this way in the Fate franchise
Well, Nasu for one.
>>143739070
The hell are you being autistic about? You asked why should we care about Solomon when these other two exist, and I said its because he is being active. So he is the threat that needs to be dealt with right fucking now.
Its like imagine during WW2 the axis powers were during their shit but at the same time there is a meteor 5 trillion light years away on course to Earth that will wipe out everything on the face of the planet. One is a threat we have to deal with now, and the other is something that will come eventually.
You need to acknowledge that ORT, PM, and all the other DAA exist, but just put them aside in your head because they don't matter at the moment because they aren't doing shit.
>>143739278
You could kill them if you destroy their planets.
Wow if we only had a Servant who was a planet eater. Maybe a giant who is hungry and dumb. And a Sakura clone.
ORT was hyped before Nasu went full retard with powerscaling with Fate franchise.
>>143739336
It makes sense because Nasu said it does
This is a fantasy universe with magic and shit
>>143739336
It doesn't. Nasu is an unbelievably shitty writer.
>>143739356
ORT would still exist, just not on Earth.
So it still becomes a matter of "The only reason why this story is relevant is because my big bad boogeyman who totally exists and would shit on everyone isn't in this story because I can't add them due to it making the story irrelevant"
>>143739406
Citation needed. His message in CCC is all about humanity fuck yeah. His theme in FGO is showing Solomon humanity rocks.
>>143739278
>They must have no flaws
>But they can be defeated and destroyed, but not killed I guess
Wew you're as much of a hack as Nasu I guess
>>143739336
see >>143739450
Why does something in a universe with magic (this is already enough to explain nearly anything), aliens, gods, etc etc, have to make sense?
>>143739487
ORT was only powerful on Earth, that was the condition.
>>143739517
Unless it turns out Solomon was testing humanity all along, and also he wasn't the one who blew up humanity. Really he was pushing you and training you so you could face the real villain.
>>143739517
See >>143739278
Humanity doesn't mean shit.
Humanity is dogshit that doesn't amount to anything
Fate might exemplify humanity but only because you're viewing it without considering the greater Type-moon universe which shows that humanity is dogshit.
It's like watching some toddlers wrestle and think the winner is going to participate in a UFC fight against the heavy weight championship in a match that takes place on the Sun.
>>143739395
NOTES isn't canon to Fate franchise.
Tsukihime isn't canon anymore either. The remake will push it aside.
>>143739601
It's all but confirmed by Gilgamesh in his interlude that Solomon is the one who did this. He acts as Merlin's foil.
I'm not sure why you're resisting.
>>143739665
>NOTES isn't canon to the Fate franchise
>But Nasu answers questions about ORT vs. Fateshit or Tsukihimeshit instead of saying that they aren't connected so comparing them would be pointless
Yeah ok retard, ORT is definitely canon to Fate. Same with Primate Murder because Manjew referenced int.
>>143739665
Sounds like justifications to not read them.
>>143739590
That's not true at all, why do you lie?
> Apparently landed in South America before the Common Era. As an attack-type lifeform, boasts power on a level far beyond anything else. The former 5th Ancestor attempted to capture it and was killed in seconds. Afterwards, treated as an Ancestor when it was discovered to have vampiric like properties.
>Alien entity some 40 meters tall covered with outer skin that is harder, more flexible, more temperature resistant, and sharper than any other substance on the surface.
>In addition to the ridiculously high attack parameters of the main body, it also possesses a special ability similar to Reality Marbles - Crystal Valley.
>Invasion by a horrifying but beautiful landscape.
While some magi and the 27 Ancestors control internal worlds called "Reality Marbles", the one that ORT has is on a completely different level.
>By just him (?) being there, the Earth is changing to the environment he lived in. That is, the rewriting of physical laws, a leaking of his "alien order/system".
>If man is that which destroys the planet, then ORT is an invader that paints the earth world into an alien planet. Just movement by ORT will cause the trees around him to crystallize, forming a crystal valley (spider web).
>Base concept being "hopeless despair". If this was an RPG, ORTy would be the hidden boss that's stronger than the last boss. "WTF man, did you losers bother to think about game balance omgwtflolz?" No, no, it's your fault for messing with him (?).
Its not just powerful on Earth, its base stats among the TYPES is the highest in general, along with being the hardest to kill.
Watcher class Nebuchadnezzar when
Gatekeeper Gilgamesh when?
>>143739661
Nasu doesn't give a shit about Type Moon Universe. He only gives a shit about Fate and specially FGO. He called FGO his most important work and the one he wants people to continue and remember after he dies.
He sees FGO AS the point of inception of all Type Moon universe and TM BENDS to Fate franchise rules. He did it with KnK and he'll do it for all the other franchises.
You're giving unnecessary importance to franchises Nasu no longer gives a flying fuck about and his tune is now Humanity > everyone.
>>143739836
I'll believe it when I see him say that humanity can beat Aristotles in an interview or material
Until then fuck off with your headcanon and putting words into Nasu's mouth
>>143739780
From Character Material
>...Actually, might not really be the strongest life form that received Earth's SOS sign.
Hence the ? in
>水星(?)のアルテミット・ワン。
Meaning this might actually just be some shitter and not even the actual strongest thing from Mercury let alone out of the Aristotles, yet it still could shit on every servant, every DAA, etc. all alone
>>143739897
Kingprotea can eat them for lunch. What more do you need? Those shitters cannot even destroy a planet and she can eat a galaxy easily.
>>143739739
>Its super duper confirmed in Gil's interlude, because I created this idea about how he's Merlin's foil.
They played the same trick in CCC, when you thought they were talking about BB but really he was talking about the one beyond her who was the actual true boss.
Gil never said that the one he was referring to was Solomon, he just said it was the one behind everything. That's the trick they pull when they say something unspecific and refuse to use names. You assume it must have been Solomon he meant because you know about Solomon, but that's how the trick goes. If you don't expect a twist out of Fate in the eleventh hour, then you don't Fate enough.
>>143739278
But Types can be killed permanently by conceptual weapons that induce flaws, rendering them Types no longer. The Black Barrel from earlier comes to mind. Sure V/V is still alive but V/V is a far cry from Type Venus.
I have no idea what the fuck happened on this thread. Between the edgy asshat furiously banging on about how humanity must be crap or else he'll cry, or the retard sperging about how having huge bonus boss-level monsters somehow ruins everything and that "Nasu doesn't have the balls to kill his setting" as if that made any sense, I have no clue whether this is all a bunch of sad shitposting, or we're being raided by twelve year olds who think Coldsteel the Hedgehog is the epitome of cool.
>>143739836
>Humanity > everyone.
Not until humanity permanently kills off every Type and PM. As long as that hasn't happened humanity will continue to be completely worthless.
>>143739964
>>143739780
>outdated shit
Demon Kiara can fuck ORT to death.
>>143740017
Why would we be raided by 12 year olds? The average of this general is like 15, they are always here.
>>143740017
>Nasu doesn't have the balls to kill his setting
That one actually makes complete sense though.
If Nasu his this edgy nihilist agenda that he clearly has then the only reason he wouldn't make a story with ORT or PM despite constantly talking about them is because he realizes that it's the end of the money train if he decides to kill off everyone in Fate just to do that.
>>143739973
>Kingprotea can eat them for lunch
She can't even defeat PM on her own.
>>143740017
Nasu already said that they'll all appear >>143736093
It'll be delicious when your bronzes blow the fuck off Primate Murder. Almost as delicious as when Gil and Jets got BTFO in Zero event.
>Nasu: From the start of the planning phase, I thought, “FGO has to be this grand story where every single character from all the Fate/ series until now would show up, or else it would be pointless.” To put it extremely, “even if I die, I have to pass this on to the next person… Actually, I should just pour all of my wealth and assets into this”
Nasu takes FGO seriously.
>>143740078
It makes sense even without the edgy shit. Nasu wanted to quit Fate back with CCC but the shekels were too much for him.
>>143740078
That's not how it works
Nasu has a multiverse; he could kill off one world-line with ORT, and it would mean literally nothing. Fate/Strange could end with ORT killing everyone, and it wouldn't mean shit. Did you think there was a main world-line? Did you think everyone dying mattered? Tune in next week for the story of a different world-line where everyone isn't dead.
>Euro /fgog/
And you claim America fgog is bad
>>143740046
>A human
Loses against PM.
>>143740132
>Nasu takes FGO seriously.
DW isn't.
>>143740101
PM can't even save Gaia from being killed in Extra Universe, anon. Time to put that dog down.
>>143740173
It's just a burger tween who is up past his bedtime.
>>143740205
DW is just horribly incompetent. Nasu even jokes about it in the interview.
>>143740169
Are you following FGO story at all? Solomon didn't kill one timeline. He killed all timelines. The Waver who is your Servant isn't from Gudao's dimension, but a Waver after he takes down the Grail in FSN timeline.
>>143740169
>wouldn't mean shit
It would mean that the only thing stopping that from happening in every world line is Nasu being too much of a bitch to do it
>>143740231
No True Scotsman
