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Squire, Attend Me! Edition

>Deck lists, news etc:
http://TempoStorm.com
http://liquidhearth.com/
http://hearthstoneplayers.com/
http://hearthhead.com/
http://hearthpwn.com/
http://www.hearthstonetopdeck.com/
https://manacrystals.com/

>Arena Help
http://heartharena.com/

>Open Tournaments:
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/
http://zotac-cup.com

>Deck Tracker:
https://hsdecktracker.net/

>/hsg/ Tournaments
Discord: discord.gg/0rEzZFGFKs226nI7
Most recent Bracket:
http://challonge.com/ShitpostsNewAnons
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I would have won all 8 desu
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2nd for awful shitters that can't hit legend with zoo because they're awful at the game and cry "buh duh meta"
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FUCK OFF CONTROL KEKS
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>Knight deck is too low value for midrange and too slow for aggro
Feelsbadman
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>>143645841
>Not realizing the meta can and did shift to make zoo a lot worse for climbing.
Who's a shitter? Yep, you.
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Fuck the new wallet paladin.
I ended up getting the two forbidden healings but I don't have Sylvannas, Tirion, The 4/5 guy or N'thing
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>>143645841
>It's a coin backstab SI game
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where are the nudes
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>>143646042
on savjzs phone
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>>143645937
>>143646027

Shitters
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>>143645937

No. Because I literally hit legend with zoo in this "shitty for zoo" meta

You are a shitter.

I am not.

Deal with it
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>>143646262
Oh wow, you hit legend EARLIER IN THE FUCKING SEASON. How fucking RETARDED are you? You keep completely missing the point.
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Production value
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should i craft deathwing dragonlord or nzoth for priest?
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>>143646525
Just play your 2mana add sylv to the hand lmso
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Should I continue to unlock blackrock mountain or should i drop it?
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Was the decision to lock old adventures and Gnomes vs. Goblins and make Standard the only relevant mode shit?
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>>143646737
only naxx was removed from standard...
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>>143646773
*teleports behind you*
*Randomly deals 1-4 damage*
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>>143646773
R u retarded
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Just ranked down as shaman.
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>>143647160
did you forget do put class cards in your deck?
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Good news, I pulled a legendary.
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>Running ice block in tempo mage
Someone explain this chinese meme
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>matched against full fledged zoo in Arena
Ebin
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>>143647373
Tempo mage doesn't really exist anymore.
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>>143647329
Grats!
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>>143646042
Who?
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What the fuck is sir finley for in this cancer shaman?
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>>143647683
>Who?
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>/r/hearthstone
>i hit legend with zoo, here's my decklist

>/hsg/
>U CANT HIT LEGEND WITH ZOO

This general might actually convert me. There's no hope when an entire website is dumber than fucking reddit. Literally no choice but to actually go to reddit now.
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>>143646678
please respond
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>>143647783
Which cancer shaman?
For face shaman it's so you get a decent hero power.
For face shaman posing as midrange it makes no sense because you want to be making totems actually.
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Terrible, terrible baits today. Step your game up lads.
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>>143647817
summer has come, this is an 18+ site eurofag
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>>143647329
what's the bad news?
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>>143647937

>buttblasted shieldbearer who is worse at the game than literal redditors
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>>143647817
>z-zoo is still good guys
lmao
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Zoo is just a free win for me now. Retarded redditors ragequit after I boardclear a second time. What a group of c u c k s !
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We're almost there boys
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....nzoth paladin is cancerous. doomsayer, aldor, humility, taunts, pyro equality, pyro consecrate, baka at this game
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>tfw comfy grinding up the ladder with shaman while watching netflix
I'm the shitter who was shattered at rank 14 with Tempo Mage for the longest time
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Based Godlento
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damn Kolento
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>China
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>patron gets completely gutted for being unfun to play against and having no real counter
>freeze mage is still in the game
what did Blizzard mean by this?
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>>143648719
Freeze Mage is easy to beat though, if you're not an aggro shitter.
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>>143648648
Chinks may have higher IQ than whites but they lack creativity and that makes them inferior.
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>>143648441
zoo is still aids with its stickiness
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Honestly game 1 & 2 were very Kolento favorable. Game 3 however was a very very clear win for the warrior. Managing to mess that game up is nothing but pure retardation from the chinese player
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>>143648756
>*tips armor*
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>>143648756
>lol it's easy just have more than 30 health haha
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>>143648719
They mean that deck having 90% counter (CW) is balanced
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>>143648805
Can't stop the Rogue, anon.
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>>143648648
Maybe next time they'll run NA vs CN so they can stand a chance
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Are Dragon decks still good?

I can either craft x2 Twilight Guardians or x2 Call of the Wild
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Recomb right?
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WELL I DUNNO

I feel like I have enough late game and I have 2 weapons (4/2 and 1/4).

Shifter memes?
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>>143648909
CotW
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>>143648909
Craft Doomsayers
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Are there any strong meta decks I can play that don't require me to pay money to unlock adventures?

I have plenty of cards and dust but I'm not paying Blizzard money for the adventures.
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>>143648958
Zerus for the memes

>>143648952
Kodo
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>>143648952
LET'S GET GROOOOOVY
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>>143648831
>it loses to a deck that's even more cancerous so it's balanced
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>>143649039
>>143649075
I know it's the strongest inspire in the game, but I thought he comes in too late.

I'm trusting you guys on this.
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>>143648958
Zerus

Post results
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Who are we rooting for /hsg/?
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>>143649317
We root for da german yah
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>Everything I try to climb with has already been hard countered.
How the fuck.
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>>143649317
ropeman
fuck his gf on stream, not even a suspension
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>>143649025
Tempo warrior I guess, Sen'jins might work in place of Fierce Monkeys.
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Why do we like Kibler?
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>>143649317
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>>143649507
He's cute.
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Just got a 40€ refund for Overmeme, now I feel like buying into the Hearthstone jew.

Should I buy both the adventures? Which one is more competitive?
Keep in mind that I am a control-player and I am kindao of new to Hearthstone.
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>>143649507
He's dadcore
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>>143649601
>refund for Overmeme
what made you decide to do this
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>>143649601
LoE > BRM

However buying both is fine as well if you plan on spending it all on HS. Adventures are way better value for money than packs.
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>>143649648
because he doesn't have any friends to play it with, so he spent his time getting shit on
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>>143649648
I guess I played enough of the game during the beta that it just isn't fun anymore.
I don't enjoy playing any of the characters and I don't really have any friends to play with, + the fact there is no ranked, or any new content for that matter, made me feel buyers remorse in less than 5 hours after having bought it.


I do love me some MTG though, so I might as well get into Hearthstone, since my 40€ are already spent.

I also thought about buying Legacy of the Void, but that would mostly be for just the campaign, so I don't know if that is worth it.


Are there any good control decks in the meta right now? Do any of them use cards from the adventures?
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>>143649317
>>143649509
He doesn't look very Germanic.
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>>143649819
>He thinks there are actual Germans left in Germoney
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Do I do it? Do I go miracle?
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>Paladin daily
>No forbidden healing
What do? I refuse to play that shit brawl
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>When you know the brawl is ridiculous
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>>143649928
Considering other cards are shit, yes.
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>>143649317
ropecoach is our guy
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>>143649928
>wild pyro miracle rogue
New meta
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>>143649819
he's half japanese
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>>143650014
Lights champion is way better than 6mana 4/4
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>>143646354
Climbing early in the season is far, far harder than at the end. Stop trying to find excuses for your own incompetence and start getting better
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>>143649991
>tier 1 meta decks are the only option

and you guys wonder why casual is full of netdeckers
go wild and secret pala
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>>143649765
No ranked? Then what the hell is even the point of playing? Just for memes and silly stories?

Control decks are good right now, they have been better in the past but they are still tournament and ladder capable. N'zoth Priest, classic Control Priest, N'zoth Paladin, Freeze Mage, C'thun Warrior, Fatigue Warrior, and even some oddballs like Control Shaman and Reno Rogue are popping up and seeing some play. These decks are expensive for a new player, though, so unless you invest cash into the game then don't plan on playing with them for a while.
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cenarius?
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>>143650136
Dont have secret nigger
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>>143650198
I guess
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>>143650198
I feel hesitant about picking a 9drop at the beginning of a draft
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>>143650198
loatheb is really nice it just guarentees you that 5 drop to not get cleared.If you prefer a fast pace deck it would be better aswell
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>>143649317
Both are cool guys.
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>>143649317
Scheißpoach of course
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>Play Mill Rogue
>Opponent concedes
>Opponent concedes
>Opponent concedes
COME BACK AND FACE THE COLDLIGHT YOU COWARDS
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>>143650198
Loatheb so you can cuck mages trying to use their turn 7 Cuckstrike to auto-win the game.
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>>143650167
Here are my two decks that I have right now, these are most of the cards that I own.

I'd imagine spending 40€ on both the adventures + some packs would help enough, the rest could propably be done by grinding.

What I really wanted to know though is wether or not the two adventures are worth buying into for the cards that I recieve if I want to play control decks.

From watching, I really enjoy the Reno Warlock and deck and the Priest control deck, Warrior is ok too, but I don't have most of the cards for that.
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Just unpacked this ugly motherfucker. Does he only go in Tempo? I don't have/won't craft Varian so I dont know how good that will be.
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>>143650415
SHOW DIK
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>>143650472
enjoy your cursed blade
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>>143650501
It's typical Mill Rogue but with the 1/7 taunt minion instead of Death Knight.
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How fucked am I?
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I've started taunting after I win with shaman. The class is ... changing me.
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>>143649179
So far so good.

I only got Shitter Zerus once thus far, and I made him into Dreadsteed because of all them buffs.
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>>143650428
>wether or not the two adventures are worth buying into for the cards
Yes, absolutely. They contain vital cards that see play in every deck archetype. Blackrock Mountain you really only *need* the 1st wing because it has Thaurissan, but the rest of it is nice to have so you can build dragon decks which are relatively cheap and effective. I recommend you buy both current adventures at least, and another 20-40 Classic packs depending on how much disposable income you have. This will give you a really good base to construct semi-competitive decks that can grind the ladder.

Pic related is probably the cheapest control deck I've ever seen, StrifeCro played it at Top 100 legend and I've played it a bit and it works well. The most expensive part is Harrison but he can probably be switched out for an Ooze, you lose the draw but it's a good budget choice. Sylvanas would also be a good replacement if you have her. I would also take out one Cabal and put in a second Alchemist, but that's just my preference.
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It's almost a shame that there is only one Firebat. He is the only great commentator in Hearthstone.
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Guys why the hell aren't you playing Wild?
>Fun as fuck
>10-20 rank all games are different and experimental

I don't have Boom nor Scientist and I'm having a really good time
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>>143650198
loatheb is a premium 5 drop, but spells arent that common in arena
cenarius is almost dr 7
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The rigged matchmaking in this game is so obvious, holy shit.
>Literally never see a BGH in hours and hours of play
>Switch to totem shaman
>BGH twice in a few games
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>get to legend
>play a bit
>come to top 100
>hs celebrity time
>they start farming me with insane lucky topdecks
>suddenly start losing every single game
>everything that can go wrong goes wrong
>opponent have perfect solutions every single time
>lose 25 games in a row

what the fuck
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>aggro shitter has earth shock for my tirion

>i don't have ooze for his doomhammer

e p i c
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>>143650887

Because it just devolves into mech mage and secret paladin for every opponent.
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>>143650947
What's a 4mana 7/7 doing in your totem shaman friend :^)
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>>143650947

>it's a "I swapped a few cards and called it midrange or totem shaman" because I'm not an aggro shitter like the rest of them :^)
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>>143650947
>Sir 477 is a totem
???

sounds like you got what you deserved.
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Why is Casual in this game?
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>>143651218

People LITERALLY get anxiety of playing ranked so they have to take their tier 1 netdecks were it matters even less
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Post you're OldGods husbando
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>>143651345
>husbando
>haven't commissioned a non watermarked image
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>>143651345
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>>143651345
Who else /d/ here?
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I grinded to rank 10 for the first time since rewards, what's the point of going further? Constructed is boring
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>>143650428
>From watching, I really enjoy the Reno Warlock and deck and the Priest control deck, Warrior is ok too, but I don't have most of the cards for that.
You need at least Reno and Entomb for those decks, so you need to buy League of Explorers.
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>>143651218
So you can experiment with stuff without shitting up your ladder rank.
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>>143651570

t. guy who netdecked a facedeck
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>>143651602
>Caring about your rank
>>143651618
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>>143651618
t. Valeera McScream'duin
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>Spellslinger into soulfire into lethal
Yeah fuck you
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>>143651602
>experiment
This, I occasionally concede to rank 20 to experiment with highmane in my face hunter
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Can I play zoo proficiently without sea giant, leeroy, or gormok? What should I replace them with?
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>>143651570
You want to hit rank 5 for the 200 dust increase
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is coach married
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>>143651886
Leeroy -> Doomguard
Gormok -> Dark Iron Dwarf or the C'Thun panda
Sea Giant -> no replacement really, but if you want something that works in a similar way, try Frostlord Warlord
Often times, you don't need a straight-up replacement, just another card that works well with zoo. Though obviously you'd want some burst damage if you're not running Leeroy and Gormok. Soulfire is a decent burst damage, but I wouldn't recommend running both Soulfire and Doomguard.
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>>143651896
It's a nice bonus but I don't need it. I don't use dust anyway. The last card I crafted was Mysterious Challenger
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>>143651590
>>143650832
What are the best packs to buy with the leftover cash?

I'm going to buy the first wing of Blackrock and the entire League of Adventures, which should leave me with roughly 16€ to spend on card packs.
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>>143652217
>What are the best packs to buy with the leftover cash?
Classic, especially if you are a new player.
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>>143651886

Can't play zoo because it's "bad in the meta" according to /hsg/

Don't bother ;^)
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>playing casual
>druid uses raven idol turn 1
>innervates astral communication turn 2
>drops a 2/3 mana every turn after
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>>143652271
How are you this bad at the game?
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First arena in half a year.
Good start.
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>>143652217
New players should always buy classic packs. Once you start getting around 40 dust per Classic pack from duplicates you can start buying the newest expansion packs and just craft whatever else you need, imo.
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>>143652358
Probably not enough 3s and 4s, so your game might fall apart there before you get to the big guys
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>>143652129

Thanks. How is jeweled scarab in zoo? I was also considering replacing them with bilefin since it goes pretty well with darkshire councilor and knife juggler

this is what I've got so far
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>>143651926
yes, he fucked his wife on stream
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>tfw no war axe ever
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>>143652479
I'll blame it on running into nothing but paladins and mages with bullshit rng.
That and 2 of the guys had legend card backs.

That's what everyone does right?
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>>143652582
Doesn't really matter in arena, everyone is equally bad
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>>143652498
>How is jeweled scarab in zoo?
Doesn't sound too great because it has shit body and 3-drops you can get from it aren't that great for what zoo is trying to accomplish.
Just play double Abusive Sergeant, I would also swap out Mortal Coils for something else. Bilefin is okay.
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>>143652540
why does life coach always get shit hands ;-;
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>>143652498
Replace them with flame jugglers, if nothing else.
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>>143652342

I didn't say it. /hsg/ said it.
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Are shamans this retarded?
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>>143652871
>said no one ever
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>>143652929
playing around kill command
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>>143652929
It can no longer be executed, that was a smart play and he only lost 2 attack but also put more pressure on the board.
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Literally every thread for the last month has had a sea of shitters crying about how they can't hit legend with zoo because it's "not good in the current meta"

Get with the times.
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Can someone link me that playing to win article that's always posted? Trying to git gud and want to read it again
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>>143653070
You're a real whiny bitch, for a troll

>>143645841
>>143646262
>>143647817
>>143652271
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>be zoo
>win because I have broken cards and control got gutted

Feels good man, I've been saying this since old dogs came out
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>mfw pulling n'zoth from a shifting shade revived from n'zoth
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What's the most efficient way to cuck Warrior players? N'zoth Paladin? I need to put these edgy hat tippers in the trash where they belong.

>pic related, typical warrior "main"
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>>143653701
any value deck shits on tempo warrior
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>>143651218
It's the end of the season and I don't want to plummet in rank on the very last few days.
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>>143653701
N'Zoth Paladin with Justicar stumps basically any kind of warrior except for face/pirate probably.
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I haven't come here since the BRM release. Are all of you still a bunch of shitters and the people who can do as little as hit legend still less than 5? Do you still cry and moan about the flavor of the month deck needing a nerf? Do you still whine about face hunter despite it not being relevant in almost 2 years?
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Isn't Anomalous an integral Freeze Mage card?
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>>143654040
Don't be rude ladm8
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>>143650974
Sounds like some legendary plays
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>>143654146
No. I've seen it only once, and freeze mages litter the ranked throughly.
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>>143654146
Too slow against board-centric decks, basically useless against control or combo decks.
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>>143654040
global rules 2 and 3
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>>143654157
Is that a yes?
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>>143654334
N-no
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How do you deal with double entomb double sw:death priests as an n'zoth pally?
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>>143654146
The one one time it worked for me was when I played it after nova doom to stop hunters call of the skill next turn
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>>143654308
If those were in effect, /vg/ and /v/ should have been deleted years ago.

>>143654146
Mate what?
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>>143654384
Concede and heer yourself up thinking how their lives must be totally devoid of hapiness since they are playing priest.
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>>143654384
>1. Play justicar don't bother playing your threats
>2. Play aggressively force the entombs on rags
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>>143649179
Shitter Zerus report:

-Darksteed for them sweet Buffs and Dark Irons
-Earth Elemental to stabilize game, traded 3v1
-Varian Vrynn, pulled Dark Dwarf and Protector. But I was winning anyway.
-Echoing Ooze, I had really bad mulligan and wanted to stop the zoo. I failed.
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Been playing for years, but I've barely touched Arena. Any tips for gittin' gud at it?
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>>143655039
Get good cards, that's it.
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>>143655039
Pick mage or paladin
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>>143654694
>>143655039
Get into heartharena.com. It really improved my drafting, to the point I use it mostly for statistics sake anymore.
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>>143655160
I'm actually killin' it as shaman atm (3 Dr. 4s), but I was looking for general tips.
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Got to rank 12 thanks to switching to shaman but fell back down to 13.
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>>143653145
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
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>>143655039
Draf a good curve, look for value cards, know the strenghts of the class you pick. Play around the most common win conditions.
80% of the time, board is everything.
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Where can I watch the tournament?
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which one do I pick?
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Oh dear goyim~!

Have you remembered to make your daily purchase of a few packs? Can't get those legendaries if you don't pa-err, play!
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>>143655448
I'd go for Thalnos. You have plenty of spells and few 5 drops already.

Loathe's battlecry is not as powerful in arena.
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>>143655448
L O R E
O
R
E
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>>143655448
cho
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>>143655448
with all those spells? __cho [/spoiler)
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>>143655302
Thank you senpai
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>>143655665
lol he dropped Murkeye out of his pocket
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>face only hunters and miracle rogues
>fuck it, make a face warrior
>que up
>5 fucking control warriors in a row
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>>143655745
The matchmaking is rigged.
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>>143655745
play paladin instead
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>>143655667
>>143655670
>>143655674
>>143655675
Picked Thalnos
gonna deliver on how I do!
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How is standard worse?

Why does the game always get worse when new cards come out?
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What deck do you use around rank 10-5?
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>>143655665
I read that in his voice and everything. Damn you.
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>>143655945
If you don't shamn to 5 you might be retarded.
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>>143656187
whats better right now? aggro or the totem/midrange one?
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>win a bunch yesterday, feels good
>lost everything today without win

what a time to be alive
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>>143656187
I'm destroying all the shammys with divine shield paladin.
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>Pick Paladin in arena
>Get the worst possible picks
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>>143656463
Totem
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>>143656463
aggro
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>>143656881
>>143657139
(You)
(You)
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>>143657139
Aggro is awful with the current ladder.
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what do you think guys
mukla is ok but I'm kinda leaning towards overspark
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>>143657516

>mememaster overspark
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>>143657516
Emperor.
You can't go wrong with it. A single turn makes him worth it most of the times. If you have cards in your hand.
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>>143656545
>Glory to the Sin'dorei!
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>>143655945
Midrange hunter is fun and cheap
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did anyone see that french yogg
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N'Zoth pally is the most fun I've had in this game.

Mad?
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>>143657654
That's too huge an if. Cost reduction is nice but in arena what I want is stats.
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>get bolster from huckster
>raptor the summoner
the dream
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>>143655945
One you enjoy. If you're a bad player, then the top tier aggro one.
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>>143657516
Mukla. Why was the even a question?

>>143657654
Emperor sucks big fat balls in arena.
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>3 identical zoolocks (each a different player) in a row in Arena
>obviously full decklists
>each with perfect curves

So what program are they using to hack this in? It couldn't be more obvious. The chances of even one of them getting a full zoolock deck in Arena are extremely low, but three? Added one and he didn't even deny it.
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>>143658250

Imp Gang Bang is a common as fuck card in arena so don't be pisst when every warlock has it on 3.
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>>143658250
You're a dumb nigger. :-)
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>paladin or warrior domination quest

Fuck this shit. One time I get a quest that's not 40 coins and I get this piece of shit.
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>>143658250
>Added one and he didn't even deny it.

he was probably too busy laughing at you
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>>143658314
>>143658332
It's more than Imp Gang Boss. They each had the same exact turn 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Darkshire Councilmen, Abusive Sergeants, BUYING OR SELLING HEHEHEH, Power Overwhelmings not from Dark Peddler, GET IT OUT GET IT OUTs, the entire fucking works. Not a single card was one a zoolock doesn't use.

I want the program so I can get in on this shit too.
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>>143658436
>he doesnt play the two best classes
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>>143658562

It's called picking good common warlock cards.
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>>143645741
What are the good mage decks? Seems like mage loses a lot more in constructed now
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I dusted cancer shit like Reno, and don't have a fully developed Warrior deck. What do I put this shitter in?
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>>143658727
tempo mage is really all there is, freeze isn't as strong as it used to be. c'thun mage is a thing but it's not very effective.
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>>143658650
Three games in a row though against different people with the same exact cards? That's more than a little fishy, senpai.
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>>143658808

>reno cancer
>dusting adventure cards
>dusting GOOD adventure cards

lmao
m
a
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>>143658831
Yeah I tried with some cthun cards but the other cthun classes seem to have more survivability than me. Tempo seems ok but doesn't it get out tempo by lock and shammy?
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>russian mongoloid
>keeps spamming emotes

>>143658640
>warrior and paladin
>the best
Pick 1.
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>>143658808
Grinder mage
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how do I beat rogues as zoo?
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>>143658808
He would go great in a stall deck maybe something with reno
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>>143656545
>>143657671
Is that or the murloc one better?
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Warlock has A good c'thun generator card but no broken C'thun abuser card why is that?
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>>143658965
>>dusting adventure cards
>he still has his Maexxna
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>>143659301
Straight divine shield paladin is probably better.
Shielded murloc paladin is more fun.
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Why do all these HearthStone tard-babies use all these terms to described different decks when the same strategy applies to all games? Just keep the board clear.
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>>143659319
>>143658831

Just realized that mage has 0 c'thun cards besides a 2 drop.

I guess mage is supposed to only play yog decks? And pray to rng
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>>143658965
shit's gonna be goon soon enough anyways and i don't play Reno because I'm a decent human being
>>143659075
what does that entail? Freeze mage type shit with spell removal focus?
>>143659319
warlock minions are le shit on purpose :) :) :)
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>>143659591
Freeze Mage plays entirely different from Zoo.
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