"Drowning in love" Edition
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Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn back time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.
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shit thread
Did you guys see the new design at the PS store
>>137095286
>>137095341
>Threadly reminder that Kate will never find love
Just getting some sstuff out of the way:
Pricefield OTP
All Max and Chloe need to be fine is each other and nobody will tell me otherwise.
Max cannot be blamed for choosing to save Chloe rather than letting her die because there's some chance it may fix things.
If you feel otherwise that is fine, but your opinion is no more correct than mine.
Okay. Now that that's out of the way let the thread go on.
>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"
>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV
>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb
Lollygagged typing, missed the new thread
>>137095646
>>137095646
the latter.
And it's not just her.
>>137095850
Max displays the capability to think and gather evidence. But then she conveniently forgets them to drive the plot forward.
Remember how she prints out evidence that Victoria was pitting Juliet and Dana against each other? She sees something on the computer and takes it to prove her point. But then in the Dark Room she has access to binders that show numerous crimes and she doesn't even think to take an bit of them as proof.
Max isn't a dumb person, but the writers flip a switch to turn her brain off at times. And they do it for other characters too, like Chloe and David.
Marshfield OTP. A relationship of love in its purest form. A love where one asks not what the other can do for one, but what one can do for the other.
Kate will lead Max back onto the right path instead of the sinful ideas that Chloe will insert into her head. Max will protect Kate from evil influence and the sodom.
>>137096793
Keep telling yourself that.
>>137096793
Chloe will help Kate deal with her problems of what happened to her, and Kate will help Max when she needs support.
Kate will be respectful of Max and Chloe's relationship and the three of them will be great friends.And whenever Kate finds a nice boy worthy of her they can go on double dates.
>>137097308
Nah, Max will lose contact with Kate and eventually forget about her. Same with Warren.
>>137096674
>Remember how she prints out evidence that Victoria was pitting Juliet and Dana against each other?
Which is textbook "40 year old French dudes can't into teens."
Just fucking forward the email or take a pic or fucking call Juliet into Vic's room. Going on about recycling then printing an email, wtf is wrong with you Max?
Total tangent, but come on. Really?!
If you went to Blackwell what clubs/ classes would you be in?
>>137097702
Don't know why people say this and act like Max learned absolutely nothing. She almost lost a friend for good because they didn't keep in touch, she won't repeat the same mistake.
>>137098391
People grow apart. That's part of life. Not sacrificing people to time gods in exchange for personal growth.
>>137098391
Chloe was Max's best friend since they were kids. Warren and Kate are just classmates she'll move on from.
>>137097970
I want to be a cute blonde girl in Jefferson's class
>>137098693
Warren may go away over time. But Max and Kate should stau friends, they have a special bond thay sadly involved somethig horrific. But that bond exists non the less.
>>137100134
People go their separate ways. It's just an inevitable fact of life.
>>137098582
So according to you only friends from elementary school have a chance to stay friends forever? Anyone you met later in life you will just forget and move on?
>>137100535
Past 18 you are too old to make anymore friends.
>>137100643
that's bullshit f am
i'm sorry you are surrounded by people you are incompatible with.
>>137100718
Wanting to make friends is literally kid stuff. If you don't make any in high school or lower you're fucked.
>>137100925
I'm sorry to ask but you sound autistic.
Are you?
>>137101009
Sorry that I'm not a social-normalfag-butterfly like you.
Flase alarm for So Far Gone.
Kate is not pregnant! Warren gets to keep his balls... for now
>>137101975
>Kate is not pregnant!
Godspeed.
>>137101975
It wasn't a funny joke they played.
>>137100535
Lolwut, who said anything about friends from elementary?Was it someone higher in the post chain that I didn't read before leaping head first into an established conversation with no impulse control because I saw a chance to shit on the ending?
>>137100643
Literally the opposite. Your 'friends' from 18 and under are just people you're forced to get along with due to close quarters, you'll rarely have that much in common and quickly drift apart as you grow older.
I mean, my only friends are the ones from high school, but that's because I'm an autist.
>>137104000
>I mean, my only friends are the ones from high school, but that's because I'm an autist.
Now you just rendered your argument invalid with this.
>>137095018
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe
After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!) (thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't doe,or butterfly,bluejay or even shit.
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's Chloe just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it.
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget
>>137105795
I'm not most people. I'd have better friends if I could.
http://lifeisstrangeconfession.tumblr.com/
at first, this game's fandom was fine, at least we weren't seeing cancer people like this.
but when underaged retarded faggots discovered this game everything got worse.
>>137107418
That's why i'm here
>>137107418
I hope that when they grow up, they'll look back and cringe.But knowing Tumblr, that certainly won't be happening
>>137107418
What was wrong with this exactly?
Where are all the Vicky friends?
>>137107962
Just scroll down the page, you'll see
>>137107418
>paste URL
>press enter
>see this
>turn off monitor
Wtf is this shit
>>137108040
>Likes Warren and supports Grahamfield.
Yikes.
>>137108084
What's wrong with this?
>>137108084
>NIGHTMARE ISN'T REAL IT ISN'T EVEN MAX'S SUBCONSCIOUS!!!
>''he could know which window was Max's''
goddammit. every time i read the second one i start laughing again
>>137107418
Holy shit.
>>137108084
I guess you sent it because poor kids don't know what HAHA lord did say.
>>137108030
Still here.
>>137108572
>"haha sorry but no"
Honestly.
Can we please not talk about Warren and his fans on Tumblr and Reddit?
>>137108084
you better explain this
>>137101975
Wait but she's still with warryn in this fic?
Fuck that.
>>137108520
This
>>137108313
They don't know what are they supporting though, it never even became a thing.
>>137108928
Well, Warren obviously likes Max and you can have her kiss him in the last episode.
>>137108917
this what?
>>137108624
>>137109063
Well, even if you forced her to do that Max likes Warren in that way? Nope.
>>137095018
>friendly reminder that turning off your game is the confirmed canon ending
>>137107418
T-t-that's just all of y'all shitposting to trigger me, right? RIGHT??!
>>137108624
Cookies.
>>137109267
>>137109393Where have you been man, i've missed my second michel poster.
>>137109473
Have I been found thus my costume???Had family visiting the last two days and yesterday was too much stuff going on at work for shitposting. But now I'm back to 1h breakfast with /lisg/ like it should be :^)
>>137095745
100% better than the original game
>>137109460
I want to see a pic of Kate and Victoria feeding each other cookies.
>>137109784
I want to have lewd thoughts about k8.
>>137109784
this is the closest you can get
>>137109610Don't you ever leave me again anon
>>137109071
>spoiler image
>gun
>oh umm nvm oni chan
>>137095018
Forgot the previous Thread link sorry lads.
>>136958667
>>136958667
>>137109864
No you don't.
>>137109975As if I could ever leave this heaven in hell.
Where's that guy who keeps posting rule 34
>>137110109
No one cares. Stop attracting attention to yourself.
>>137110109
HOPEFULLY BANNED
Do you think Vic would enjoy some GOAT ambient music in private, when playing with her figurines?
>>137109063
>Warryn obviously likes Max
>Max likes Chloe
now today's lesson is: even if you are Michel's self insert and living in his universe, life isn't that easy for you too.
>>137110365
I assume that she would love classical music both because they're good and because she's pretentious.
>>137110793
>and because she's pretentious
I guess you are right anon.THIS IS MY FETISH
>>137110578
What was yesterday's lesson?
>>137110849Your best friend also lover's death is an essential part of growing up because their death will help you to grow up.
>>137110849
>>137111015
Exactly :) Bad persons like Max always get what they deserve.
Max deserves hugs! Lots of hugs!
>tfw we'll never see them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRQPc-PK1gM
>>137113846
Cheer up, anon. We still have ourimagination
>>137113846
Fucking stop, I'm already a suicide risk.
>go on plebbit
>see tumblr confessions
>see react-tards
>they all think it's creepy to have a crush on a video game character
Holy shit, this is a disgusting level of proto-normie.
They have noimagination.
>>137114838
>plebbit
>tumblr
dropped
>>137114838
I don't understand how anyone could play this game and not fall just a little bit in love with Maxor another character.
>>137114982
Page hopping from fanart.
Curiosity, anon. I was curious.
>>137115014
Chloe is so unbelievably charismatic, you'd have to be asexual not to feel the tingles.
>>137114838
>not fall in love with qt girls like Max,Chloe,Kate,Victoria,Dana
Excuse me, what?
>>137115516
REWIND THIS
>>137115516
>>137115516
This is a nice thing to wake up to.
>>137115432
I mean, being attracted to video game characters isn't even that unusual or deviant.
These faggots are boring.
>>137115580
>>137115616
>>137115634
w-what did I miss?
>ur mom posting
>scat stories
>tricky le vicky
>psychomajor/therealwarren
Looks like we've come full circle.
>>137050376
>But in does in context you ignore.
In which context does that behaviour fit her character? Only in one where she is evil.
>just as valid as yours.
And your interpretation is that Max would knowingly and willingly do those things?
>Spoiler alert: she does.
Which is OOC, which is my entire argument.
>Spoiler alert: you don't get to decide what is a canon Max.
Neither do you. Do you now want a "NO YOU!" argument or what are you trying to say here? I'm not saying the interpretation of Max to be able to do those things is invalid. I'm saying it's retarded and impossible for me to see her like that and is inconsistent with her overall behaviour and thoughts.
>Why didn't they call the police after dark room?
Max says they should. Chloe talks her out of it. Is this a bit stupid? Yes. Max is a bit stupid at times and Chloe is in full revenge boner mode. Fits their characters.
>why did they go hunt Nathan in the junkyard
Stupidity plus revenge boner. They are young girls, emotionally disturbed and not the most intelligent people.
>why didnt they take pictures?
Chloe immediately rushed to Rachel and Max wanted to warn Victoria.
>why did Jeffershit kidnap Victoria when it isnt beneficial to him in any way?
He wanted to take pictures of her like he does of dozens of other girls.
>why did he expect to get away with murdering 4 kids in a day?
He thought he can put it on Nathan. Is that crazy? Yeah, he's a bit crazy and not a competent serial killer either.
>didn't try to warn anyone and just spend a day sitting in Max's room like idiots?
Because they are idiots. How often does the game have to throw this at you for you to believe that being stupid is actually part of their characters? They are not dealing with the situation intelligently or even just constructively at all.
And even if some of that stuff is - so what? Then it is OOC too and used to drive the plot. I am saying those two things are terribly OOC and only serve lame shock motives.
>>137115883
Nothing, anon. It was nothing.
But this is a cute image.
>>137115636
>Good job you remembered!
>Wow, son, you actually recognised us this time!
>And you remembered to get dressed today!
>>137115636
>tfw Michel preferred forced tragedy and threw away logic
there's only one villain in this game and that's Michel.
>>137050997
>"your" Max.
Yeah, if my understanding of Max was yours I'm not sure I would be here anymore.
>She acts unbothered at most.
Not preventing it is itself an act (of omission). How dense are you? Plus being "unbothered" by seeing someone shot dead 2 meters in front of you by your friend, said friend falling apart because of it, is not something I would think normal of anyone. But Max actually is shocked. And she does say that she can change it. But we have the option to just walk off, and the Max how I see her would never do that. You are free to see her differently though.
>It started because you hae trouble accepting other people's views.
I said I agreed with IGN's review. You responded to that arguing that I am wrong to agree with it. You could have just left my views alone. Who has problems now?
>>137116025
Don't be mean!
>>137116001
Anon please stop replying to that retard already. Can't you see, he doesn't understand whatever you do.
>>137051829
>But she can and she does
No. She does if you make her. I can say in my game she never did those things and call that "my" Max. But I never argued over what is "canon" anyway - I argued what I would interpret her character based on that canon. Since it is possible to do those things they are canon. Is everything canon necessarily consistent with her character? I don't think so. I think they are in there solely for shock value. You are saying the very concept of OOC doesn't exist if everything canon has to be blindly eaten up.
I can use the rewind mechanic to have Alyssa get the football to her head 100 times in a row. That's possible. Does that mean I can say Max is canonically inclined to do that? "Canon" doesn't mean anything in this argument; I was merely discussing whether these canon acts are compatible with an interpretation of her character.
Of course we can judge whether canon events are consistent with each other. Otherwise "OOC" wouldn't exist in the first place. And these events just aren't consistent with Max IMO. You can have a different opinion, but you hve to own that. If those are consistent with your idea of Max then your Max has to be evil. Just like Max has to be retarded if you say all those things you listed are not her being forced OOC.
>Your idea of what she would never do and what she would isn't absolute
I said repeatedly that it's fair enough that you interpret her to be a malicious character, but you say you don't. Those things are malicious though and you said she could do them. Warning people about the storm is something you can argue she just doesn't think to do because she is tunnel-visioning Chloe's life and she never mentions warning people, not verbally or mentally. She doesn't even realize she can and should do that. With Frank she does mention that she can change it. That would be like giving us the option to tell Chloe in the focus to warn people but simply choosing to "Leave".
>>137116001
Wait, so forgetting about a giant killer storm in two seconds is a-ok and doesn't implicate Max's morality at all, but forgetting she can rewind Frank's death is impossible and allowing her to leave him dead 100% means she's evil no buts?
I don't know why you're so open to all the other obnoxious plot-induced stupidity but have a hate on for the two highly specific instances of Frank and Vic.
>>137115969
>psychomajor/therealwarren
the only thing that i'll never miss
>>137116114
It's just a Spongebob quote. It's not Max's fault that Dontnod accidentally made her dumber than Patrick Star.>Now put your hand on the lid...
This has promise to be the longest petty argument this general has ever had.
>>137116228
Because she specifically mentions that she can change the Frank thing. And I'm not saying not warning people isn't stupid. I'm not even saying you couldn't interpret that to be malice. But if you do, then surely it is OOC if you think she is not a malicious person.
I need the image showing Max's true thoughts on Warren in episode 5
>>137116668
Do you mean >>137111031
>>137116791
>>137116792
thanks f.ams
>>137051829
>she is a character in a "choose your own adventure" game.
>implying LiS's a Role-Play game and Max's is a RPG character
That's not skyrim, fallout, dragon age or mass effect mate. It's been discussed a thousand times. Max isn't a role play character, your choices merely influences to her for sure, but you can't change her own character at all. She has her own feelings.
Choices like killing Frank etc. was just for ''oh look? your choices matter'' thing = Poor writing.
Even it's a choice based game it's not a completely Role-Play game, you can also say which's canon or not for Max from unoptional journal entries and dialogues. Yeah, you can merely influence main character and help her out realize her feelings. Everything ends up with the same result, anyway.
>>137116938
>That's not skyrim, fallout, dragon age or mass effect mate.Max isn't a role play character, your choices merely influences to her for sure, but you can't change her own character at all. She has her own feelings.
pretty much this.
i still can't believe people actually believin' Dontnod's 'your version of max:)' bullshit. if there was a something like that then 'my version of max' could save everybody other than choosing between binary endings, right?
>>137116429
I don't know that defending Max's good-heartedness is petty, Michael.
If the argument was about the distinction of OOC and "plot holes" like that anon tries to spin it now, sure, that'd be petty because it doesn't make sense to begin with because those are not exlusive. But if you read his posts he actually meant the "not OOC" thing to say Max could do those things. Not obliviously, not retardedly, but could do them characterally, that "she doesn't care so much" and is "cold about it all", would just not try to warn Victoria on the suspicion she doesn't believe her, etc.
That's the same as saying she knowingly and willingly doesn't warn people about the storm and that that's a believable thing for her character to do. Which is not an invalid interpretation... but not one that I share or see how it could be considered consistent with the character we otherwise get to know Max as.
this argument is never going to end is it
>>137116228
>forgetting about a giant killer storm in two seconds
>you've still got time and power for warn/save everybody
>haha:) nope.
>things aren't that easy in my universe
>because your story needs tragedy
for god's sake.
>>>/pol/69442071
Would Kate support Trump?
>people arguing over Dontnod's stupid shitty writing
Guys, Michel's laughing with his ass while you're doing this y'know?
>female friend thinks Max and Warren's kiss means they're together
>>137118197
send her pricefield images every single day until she accepts it
>>137118160
Of course
>>137118197
this is actually a really surreal headcanon though
>>137118483
Didn't he say something about Chloe messaging him to back off?
Why isn't he backing off in the "future" then?
>>137118623
Because /r9k/ is pretty dumb.
>>137116938
>Max isn't a role play character, your choices merely influences to her for sure, but you can't change her own character at all. She has her own feelings.
The game has no idea how to include choices in a consistent character though, that's for sure. Almost every choice is gamey as fuck and seem to have little to no intention of influencing where we can take Max as a developing human being, instead focusing on what the consequences could be (despite the game being incapable of actually following through with any consequences).
That's where Until Dawn went really well conceptually. The game doesn't have an insane amount of variation, but they clearly sat the fuck down at the start and hammered out exactly what 'choice' would mean in this game and what their intentions were in applying it.
Almost every choice was an emotional one (which in many cases may not affect the physical outcome at all) which stayed consistent with pronounced character archetypes. The player's decision visibly influenced their character traits and relationships and worked to take them down a certain path, being brave enough to lock you in at certain times depending on how your personality/relationships have thrived or deteriorated. Unlike LiS, where you can always save Kate and Frank, always reunite Joyce and David, Chloe and Warren will always be in love with you, no matter what shit you pull on them all the entire game. I'm pretty sure the absolute only time the game ever locks you out of anything at all is Vic believing your warning. And that comes down to a single choice in the first episode, and just seems incredibly petty of the writing in the grand scheme of things, and doesn't show evidence of any particular intent other than "Eh, why not? Choices!"
There's the blame scene, which is pretty good, but who you choose to blame affects literally nothing but a couple of inconsequential "remember that thing that happened?" dialogue switches, despite its potential.
/tangent city
>>137118160
Kate is a hopeless liberal. But I think she would realize that presidency is but a farce and keep to her church community rather than politics.
>>137118197
>kill female friend
>>137118167
I think me and that anon are in agreement that it's shitty writing either way... My entire argument is that it's revolting to have these options in the game and that they only are because dontnod doesn't mind to alienate their characters and story for the sake of unnecessary tragedy or "epic consequences".
The "Chloe kills Frank" situation needed a forced rewind like all the other crucial situations, but one that would lead to your powers ceasing to work after the second or third try and make whatever outcome stick then. That'd have been consistent and thematically fitting writing. Add on top the possibility to rewind the entire thing after you get the codes and it would have been even better.
>>137117523
Dude. Seriously.
>>137118052
It'd actually be kind of cool if a story like this went through so many AUs and shit that the main character (and audience, through good storytelling) just lost grip on something basic and vital.
Like, in LiS, I kept expecting Max's diary to play a bigger role in keeping her head straight of what she actually did, because I as a player certainly forgot occasionally if Frank had my gun or if I had a photo of David and Kate, etc. Fitting with the issue of appreciating your reality rather than getting bogged down in the infinite possibilities.
Anyone else scared of the future?
>>137118197
>ignore every scenes about Max and Chloe
>force her to kiss him
>*fangrill screaming*
>Max kisses him like she's kissing shitty feet
>backs off immediately
>fangrills are just watching it with stupid expression
>Warryn starts to say ''i love you''
>but Max cuts him off immediately and says ''i know'' coldly
>fangrills face when
>finally gets the photo and focuses on it
>a sec later she leaps into Chloe's arms
>fangrills face when
10/10 so romantic
>>137119137
Embrace it.
>>137118752
I don't have Until Dawn too clearly remembered, but I agree that in LiS overall the choices lack a distinct sense of adding up to one another. It's like you are at a crossroad, but no matter where you turn the next crossroad will be the same regardless.
More even, they failed often to properly integrate the rewind mechanic into the choices, when that should be the main thing that sets this game apart from other choice-based games. The commonly used example is the Frank confrontation in the junkyard. You shoot him but obviously the gun is empty. So you rewind and don't shoot him. Max's thoughts and conversation with Chloe is always the same regardless of why you chose what you did. Max always goes "That was scary Chloe, sorry." instead of "The gun was empty you nut.".
Also in the junkyard, Chloe can shoot herself but Max never mentions this. Even a couple of minutes later where Chloe is like "Come on Max, play with the gun. I will guide you." she doesn't think to mention that she literally killed herself playing with the gun a few moments earlier. Max "rewinds herself" at a lot of points in the game, making the rewind thing really more of a gameplay mechanic than a narrative device.
>tfw nobody'll give you dat look
>>137115247
>Chloe is so unbelievably charismatic, you'd have to be asexual not to feel the tingles.
like half of the fanbase hates her guts.
>>137119583
Hating someone and wanting to fuck them are entirely compatible anon.
>>137119583
like half of the fanbase actually liked Episode 5
>>137119583
55% to be exact.
>>137116001
>And your interpretation is that Max would knowingly and willingly do those things?
Do I think Max would let Frank die without trying to save him once? No I don't. She is a good person who if given the chance will try to do the right thing, as evidenced by her desperate attempts to save a stranger at the beginning of the story and then continuing to save Chloe no matter what later.
Do I think Max who attempted to save Frank several times and is convinced there is nothing she can say or do that would save him would finally give up and just let him stay dead? Absolutely.
Similiarly with Victoria. Do I think Max would try to warn her whether they are friends or not? Yes.
Do I think she would go out of her way to convince her using any means necessary even if Victoria was shitting on her the entire time? No I don't.
As for other shit. Picking and choosing. So she can be an idiot in one scene and forget the obvious but not in an other? Nice double standards.
And no I don't agree that being a retard is supposed to be part of her character.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I'm tired of this autistic argument going on for 3 days.
>>137119701
>some people chose Bay ending first because they hoped for Max could save Chloe
>cucks chose Bay ending because they hoped to see Max can show Warryn an affection in that ending
>moralfags chose Bay ending because their brain has stopped working -muh feelz
>some people like Scott chose Bay ending because of song.
thanks to japanese it's 53% now.
>>137116079
>You responded to that arguing that I am wrong to agree with it. You could have just left my views alone. Who has problems now?
You.
I commented first saying I do agree with points of this review, except complaints about her being OOC.
You responded to me saying the reviewer was right. You could have just left my views alone, lel.
>>137116001
>>137116079
>>137116209
>>137116938
>>137117303
>>137117523
>>137119880
ENOUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!! MAX ISN'T A RPG CHARACTER CAN YOU HEAR ME HUH? DON'T BELIEVE THOSE FRENCH HACK FUCKERS'S LIES. MAX ISN'T A RPG CHARACTER YOUR CHOICES DON'T MATTER AND YOU STILL GET BINARY ENDINGS OK? REPEAT AFTER ME MAX ISN'T A RPG CHARACTER. JUST FUCKING STOP ARGUING
WE HATE DONTNOD!!
WE HAVE MICHEL!!!
WE ALL HATE SHIT-EATERS!!!!!
>>137116938
>That's not skyrim, fallout, dragon age or mass effect mate. It's been discussed a thousand times
She isn't an rpg charcter, but she is also fluid enough to become a different person by the end of the story depending how you play.
>>137120040
>become a different person
>depending how you play.
>but i agree, she isn't an rpg character
What
>>137120023
>WE HAVE MICHEL!!!
Tres bien, anon.
You are finally accepting the truth.
>>137120023
>>137120268
I MEANT 'HATE' !!! FUCK THIS KEYBOARD
>>137120303
Let's use our imagination and imagine that's what you meant, Anonymous. :)
>>137120234
What's so hard to understand about that? You don't define her personality and only ever influence the choices she makes, but through these choices she becomes a different person.
She is either an universally beloved angel or a foul mouthed renegade, That's quite different.
>>137119880
>Do I think Max would let Frank die without trying to save him once? No I don't. She is a good person who if given the chance will try to do the right thing, as evidenced by her desperate attempts to save a stranger at the beginning of the story and then continuing to save Chloe no matter what later.
>Similiarly with Victoria. Do I think Max would try to warn her whether they are friends or not? Yes.
Great. I agree.
>So she can be an idiot in one scene and forget the obvious but not in an other? Nice double standards.
It's not double standards when it's actually two different things. Max outright mentions that she can change whatever happens with Frank.
>I'm tired of this autistic argument going on for 3 days.
Fair enough, let's drift into anonymity and meet again on more (or less :v)) pleasant terms in the future!
>>137119965
I didn't post the review. I did respond to you saying that I agreed with the review... I didn't attack your views or say you were wrong about not agreeing with it. Of course this isn't on you, I could have let it be at any point myself too. I actually do enjoy discussing things here though, and am not annoyed with this particular topic either, even if the tone doesn't always translate...
>>137120040
> depending how you play.
>''depending on your choices you make''
so you are saying there's a secret ending and our choices actually matter in there?
>>137120442
>You don't define her personality
>and only ever influence the choices she makes
>but through these choices she becomes a different person
>but also i completely agree with you she isn't an rpg character
What
>>137120571
Is there a video game character cuter than Max Caulfield?
Keep in mind I'm talking about time-rewinding Max Caulfield with the polaroid camera, grey hoodie, a perfect face and the ability to travel back in time through photos.
>>137120904
Definitely not.
>>137120464
>Max outright mentions that she can change whatever happens with Frank.
Sure, but then if she doesn't, she writes in her journal wondering if it was his destiny to die there and being mildly shaken about the whole thing. Which implies in that particular course of action she ends up believing she after all wasn't able to change it, rather than her doing it out of ill intentions.
>>137120626
That is called character development.
You are not going to make a Kate or a Victoria out of her, but you can make her more confident, assertive or rebellious.
>>137119506
It's a shame. As cool as integrating the rewind into the narrative would have been, I can sort of understand their limitations to an extent.
Though with the diary, they really could have gotten around it pretty fucking easily by limiting any acknowledgement of 'rewind knowledge' to diary text. And weirdly, I'm not sure that happens even once in the game. Max just notes down the choice she made, without any acknowledgement that she even saw an alternate version - many of which should have (and DO, if you compare diary variations) changed her perspective just as much as they did the player's.
Plus, the only person she can even admit her alt-knowledge to is Chloe anyway, it's not like every single conversation would suddenly be compromised.
So I guess I don't really 'understand the limitations to an extent; after all.
But alternatively, they also could have kept the rewind mechanic as a pure gameplay device form the beginning, just putting the player in an omniscient position and defined the player/character separation to allow Max to be her own person despite us making decisions for her. Which would save the devs work and enhance Max's functionality as a character over a blank slate.
Obviously that'd rework the entire game though, so I'm talking way back in the brainstorming stage.
Just gonna post pics for a while.
>>137121421
I'm gonna save them if they're nice.
>>137119880
>Do I think Max would let Frank die without trying to save him once? No I don't.
In fairness, all of this is after Max has discovered Focus. It could be argued that she feels pretty detached from consequences at this point, knowing that she's not limited to simple on-the-scene rewinding anymore. She can leave Frank dead and undo it any time she wants, after she has enough information to solve Rachel's disappearance.
Doesn't follow narratively since Dontnod pointlessly emphasised the fear that her powers won't last, and since the player has no way of knowing they'll be able to use Focus again, but just saying. Might have been cool is all.
>>137120442
>>137121116
Max's always Max and your choices won't help her character development because it happens itself.
Everything in this game end up with same consclusion ''le the journey's all that matters''
She isn't become a different person whatever you choose; just one thing that matters you can make her realize some things with your choices. For example if you shot Frank( developers went way too ooc for your choices matter thing, because Max has time-travel powers afterall and she wouldn't stand to watch his death or at least wouldn't want to get Chloe into trouble. Same for Chloe, even she knows that Max has time-travel powers she didn't protest but she was almost crying. )
Anyway if you shot Frank, afterwards she regrets but won't satisfy of course. But like you said if we could change her i mean ''becoming a different person'' then she had to satisfied by Frank's death at this situation. If you save Frank she's glad that they got along with him and things went well. But like i said 'your choices' don't change her/doesn't become a different person.
>>137121550
I'll try to post nice pics then.
>>137120023
NO, WE HATE MAX, SHE'S A BAD PERSON HAHA :) BUT ALSO NOT A PERSON BECAUSE SHE'S A BLANK SLATE HAHA :)
>>137120040
>scene plays out word for word the same no matter what choices you made
>choice is exactly the same
>results of either choice are exactly the same (but for the optional kiss)
>become a different person by the end depending how you played
One of these things is not like the others.
>>137121667
>BLANK SLATE
like ur brain, michel
>>137121627
5 more Maxes and I'll break into the 1000s.
>>137121235
>I can sort of understand their limitations to an extent.
Of, of course. And keeping it up over the course of the game is nigh impossible, no matter the time and budget. But at a few points it would have been possible and a nice gesture, especially at the beginning of the game where we are introduced to the mechanic and how it relates to the in-game world. And could have done it cheaply as you say with the journal. I don't think there's a "rewind knowledge" entry there too. Of course there's "focus knowledge" though.
>Obviously that'd rework the entire game though, so I'm talking way back in the brainstorming stage.
Valid idea though. Not only because people are already save-scumming choice-based games and this would just add a mechanic that would make it easier, but also because it could work around the idea that "we are Rachel", guiding Max. But obviously the entire story sits on the time travel condition and Max's perception and useage of it, so dunno. I guess the thing I can see myself being satisfied with the most would just be a handful of instances where our "mechanical" rewinds are narratively intergrated, just to show that the story (and developer) is aware.
>>137120904
>far left
Yikes, she looks weird in HD
>>137121732
same for nightmare sequences. they are still same and Max's getting jelly when she saw blue chick with other people.
>>137121579
>Doesn't follow narratively since Dontnod pointlessly emphasised the fear that her powers won't last
Doesn't fit narratively also because Max is actually freaked out in the situation itself. The idea that she loses grip and ties to reality and consequence because of her focus powers is not narratively established anywhere, as cool as it admittedly could have been (and should have been at least some part of her characterization in as much as shit like that can make you go insane all by itself, even disregarding all the other shit she experiences).
>>137121764
>>137121590
Holy shit, dude, learn English, you are painful to read.
Anyway, a singular choice won't change her personality, but she does change if you play her consistently.
By the end there is definitely a difference between Max who is a goody-two-shoes constantly and one that doesn't give a shit.
No, it doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things but it is there.
>>137118167
>people arguing over Dontnod's stupid shitty writing
>Guys, Michel's laughing with his ass while you're doing this y'know?
it was his plan all along.
>>137121973
Doing God's work, anon.
>>137121761
>brainDON'TYOUMEANIMAGINATION:)))))))))))))))))
>>137122068
Looks like I ran out of budget for spoiler tagging, but you know what to do :)
(Haha just kidding nothing was cut I wouldn't change almost anything).
>>137122010
Actually, yeah.
This game is so abysmally written that it in all truthfulness doesn't deserve so much discussion.
>>137122039
>>137122290
Noice
>>137115636
Why
>>137122335
>>137121918
I guess I can also partly accept it because Max swears to never use Focus again and how horrible it had been. Still disappointed that the more profound and psychological implications of the power are not delved into, but it helps to reason why she keeps a tight grip and connection to realities of cause and effect/action and reaction/sequence and consequence.
>>137121524
Thought this could make for a neat mobile pape, but then not really. I remember someone here had a LiS theme for their phone, that was pretty cool.
>>137115636
>>137122415
Maximum tragedy.
>>137122415
Because it is.
>>137122656I remember they used i3 on their desktop.
>>137122548
Need to catch a train but will still save the reston my flash drive
Shit, I'm running late. All for now.
>She can leave Frank dead and undo it any time she wants, after she has enough information to solve Rachel's disappearance.
Max doesn't even say/write a single line about going back and trying to prevent Kate's suicide (if you didn't manage in your playthrough) despite it being fresh in her memory.
She definitely wouldn't do that for Frank's hobo ass.
>>137122872
Thanks! And save travels you >>137122792 two.
>>137122932
I agree that it's not something that seems to be on her mind at all, but what I want to also stress about that situation which people often forget that it's not only about Frank. Chloe's life is ruined there too. She is psychologically wrecked with guilt and since they don't call an ambulance or otherwise contact authorities she won't get far with Max's idea of "self-defense" (especially because she stole a gun, has no permit, brought it to a confrontation she initiated, didn't warn Frank etc. etc.) idea and would end up in jail. She says herself that she'd "hand herself over" after "this is all over". Another thing which can sit on her conscience after they drive out of Arcadia.
What are the odds Dontnod will pull some annoying April Fools joke?
>>137123324
>Another thing which can sit on her conscience after they drive out of Arcadia.
God damn, I literally not once until now even put together that she can end the game with that on her shoulders, because the choice itself is just so retarded.
What the actual fuck, Dontnod.
>>137123387
>hey guys, you were right, here's the REAL episode 5!
>rickroll
>HAHAHA MEMES
>AM I RIGHT, FELLOW YOUTH?!
>>137122932
Come to think of it, the impact of Kate's suicide gets kinda dimnished, when less than a day later, Max gets an ideal tool with which she could undo that. But doesn't, because reasons.
But then starts using it anyway, because Chloe dies.
The story really makes it a point to show that no one else really matters to Max except her.
At least she can talk to Kate during that classroom focus while being there for other shit, so there's that.
>>137123412
I posted about that here a couple of times as part of my argument why both endings seem completely hopeless to me because Max always, and Chloe if she's alive, should be complete and utter messes and I just can't see a happy future in either ending.
>>137123505
Chloe trumps Kate in terms of importance by a few magnitudes.
>>137123387
Their April Fools joke came out last October.
>>137119523
>Nobody will ever look at you the way Andrew House looks at Kojima
>>137123598
Sure but they kinda make a HUGE deal about her suicide.
It's still cited by many as the most impactful moment in the whole game.
And yet it's very quickly swept under the rug, both by characters and the narrative.
>>137121986
>Holy shit, dude, learn English, you are painful to read.Sorry about that. I'm spanish:/
>Anyway, a singular choice won't change her personality, but she does change if you play her consistently. By the end there is definitely a difference between Max who is a goody-two-shoes constantly and one that doesn't give a shit. No, it doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things but it is there.
I'm not saying you're wrong. Yeah you can shape your journey(saving Kate etc.), my point was you cannot change her character,personality at all. Esp. it's hard to say after Max's dream sequences. You cannot change her feelings with these choices, you can only make her realize.
One way or another, she completes her character development apart from your choices anyway. By the end you encounter with binary endings and Max had to choose between them. These are all just Dontnod's fault.
>>137123503
>here's the real episode 5
>click on download link
>Michel's naked pic opens
>''HAHAWEFOOLEDYOU.gif
i'd kill them desu
>>137123738
I've come to forgive them that at some point. Imagine having to balance narratively the possibility of Max heroically saving Kate's life and getting her on the road of recovery, and Max trying her all but failing and watching Kate jump away from her. To do these circumstances proper and respectful justice would have meant to massively branch the tone, mood, perspective - entire narrative really.
>>137119523
>all flirting&teasing attempts
>Pool scene
>sleeping in same bed with boy shorts
>girls double dares to kiss her
>if you do or don't do that girl wants to kiss her again
>slightly romantic dialogues while raining and shit "Maybe I willed it subconsciously, or something. I always wanted my life to be special… an adventure… but not without you. And, it didn’t happen until I moved back here, so... without you, my powers wouldn't even exist."
>while storm was eating all of the town our hero was busy with jealousing her from all people
100% platonic friendship
100% choices matter
>>137123775
I get what you are saying, but feelings and character aren't the same thing.
For example, you aren't going to make her fall in love in Warren no matter how much you try (at most it might be implied she is considering giving him a chance by some stuff that happens in EP4, but then her subconscious reduces him to a joke in EP5 so I'm not sure) but you influence the kind of person she is about it.
She can either be timid, accept his invitation because she feels "she owes him", despite not really wanting to going by her journal, kiss him because she knows he wants that or you can help her be more assertive, politely decline his offer to not "lead him on", leave without giving him affection to not give him hopes etc.
Or with Victoria, Max can either swallow her pride and try to cheer her up after Victoria is splashed with paint, or she can take advantage of the situation and make fun of her.
Stuff like that.
>>137123539
>>137123412
Of course since any sane player would never let Chloe kill Frank (and since Max wouldn't either ;v)), the ending where Chloe has that on her shoulders does not exist sensibly, but I used it as part of my argumentation in that Chloe was completely wrecked with guilt after killing Frank, willing to face the consequences of it, and concluding from that that in this ending she wouldn't be able to cope with the guilt she feels (however right or wrongfully so) over being convinced all those people died in her place. I went as far as arguing to suicidal degrees not being able to cope (half-jokingly suggesting she would steer her truck off of a cliff after they round that corner out of Arcadia, her and Max in silent agreement), but certainly not being able to cope to a degree where my imagination allows for the future of her and Max (who herself obviously has plenty reason to be destroyed) to be bright.
>>137125091
I don't know, they look pretty happy in the ending.
>>137125268
Right? I won't argue against those smiles. Why would I? I would be dontnodding myself, in a sense, by leading my imagination to such dark places.
I guess I just like to bring it up then and again because sometimes I can't help but have my imagination be led there, and how dontnod's to blame for it.
>>137123775
>Sorry about that. I'm spanish:/
ah memories~
>>137124054
That's why people usually spend a little time planning before they leap into a large scale episodic narrative.
This is like forgiving someone for failing their SATs because they were up all night getting high and playing MarioKart. Yeah, obviously they'd fail under those circumstances, but they did it to themselves.
I want to pet Alice.
>>137125490
I mean Max says herself that Chloe is all that matters to her.
And we've already seen she has no trouble letting go of people as long as they aren't Chloe.
I don't think she is gonna cry too much.
>>137125091
I think you underestimate human ability to cope in the face of traumatic experience, even with a great deal of guilt involved.
Life is frequently torn to pieces by terrible events. Very few people get to experience a completely bright, happy future.
>>137125827
GO TO BED MICHEL
>>137125726
I want toeatAlice.
>>137126018
Why would you ever want to hurt such a little cutie?
>>137124854
>at most it might be implied she is considering giving him a chance by some stuff that happens in EP4
>Choose to leave a message on Warryn's slate
>The first thing she can think about is ''I can have a little fun with Warren for a change...''
i luv this girl
>>137125687
I get you and I agree that Kate's treatment is one of those things you maybe shouldn't forgive them(maybe I have an easier time because I don't care too much about her character- pls no bully). But I'm saying all the planning wouldn't help because in order to do the differences between those situations justice they would have to be breaking time and budget constraints with the branching. At least I think that.
But naturally they could have done planning differently at the more basic level, I suppose. It's clear they wanted to have suicide in there, which is always difficult, and wanted to have it in there as a consequence, which just doesn't work respectfully without branching, especially not in the scope of a continuous week.
So rather than asking myself whether they could have done Kate more justice (which I agree they could have, I just don't think they could have done it proper justice with these constraints), I ask myself whether I'd rather have the game like it is, with the suicide theme, or without out. And that's a way you can maybe forgive them. That they'd at least tried and touched that subject, even if it was always going to be a bit crude.
>>137125763
>>137125827
"Bright" was obviously used in a rhetoric that means "anything but terribly dark", and I am compelled to disagree with the sentiment, but then why would I even think to disagree? It is possible and that's enough. Maybe really only 5 people did die. Besides, isn't the road next to the diner blocked in the storm reality? But Max and Chloe just drive past. This can mean emergency services have arrived. This can also mean Max and Chloe have been there for a while and that they have confronted themselves with it all, a very important step in overcoming it. I can make myself believe that they will be fine, together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9TucT5gfk
CUTEPOSTERS WHERE THE HEAVEN ARE YOU????!!!!!!!
>>137126554
>>137126219
there is that but then she can mention him when Chloe asks him for potential love interests in AU.
Also Kate shoves him in her face. In previous episodes when Dana does that Max is like "ugh", but with Kate Max says "haha we'll see how it goes :)"
Then there's that text message he sends you if Max doesn't kiss Chloe and accepts his invite.
Then again, she facepalms with a painful expression at Chloe's mention that he is in love with her.
So yeah, EP4 is kinda all over the place.
In EP5 aside of that kiss she goes back to totally ignoring him though.
>>137126554
>>137126618
>Kate shoves him in her face
How can i forget? Poor Kate, falls in love with him. ''cutiepie, give him a hug for me:), he's an angel''
>>137126389
>But I'm saying all the planning wouldn't help
Except it would. Because 'planning' includes things like 'hey maybe it's a bad idea to throw in something this intense if we intend to immediately forget about it.'
But it wouldn't be impossible to give relevance anyway. It's literally one branch, and anons suggested back when ep 3/4 came out various ways to make the tone suit either outcome a lot better without changing any actual story. The only real hurdle is episode 5 which basically renders Kate's entire existence moot, but she shares that with every character.
>>137126118
Because her flesh looks tasty. :3
>>137126774
Why are you so confrontative about this? I think suicide is too serious a theme to be handled properly without branching that goes gravely beyond the scope of this game, both in terms of development time and budget, and in-game time span. That's my opinion on the subject. It's possible to think they could have managed it and maybe you can come up with a way to do that, maybe anons in here even did...
And the "maybe it's a bad idea to throw in something this intense" is answered in my post with: Would you rather they have it in there or not? That's subjective of course. Fair enough if you'd rather they didn't put it in at all. I was not disagreeing, I was showing how and why I can kind of forgive them, even including the personal note that I didn't care too terribly much about the character the theme is built aroundagain, no bully, I probably have posted more Kates than some of the actual Katefriends.
>>137126554
>>137126894
You wouldn't want Kate to cry would you?
>>137126389
If you choose Chloe, neither Chloe nor Max actually know if going back and letting her die would change anything. It was always a ridiculous reach, based on a 16 year old kid's opinion and the only reason it actually works is because the story is bad.
But Max and Chloe will never know so they don't really have to beat themselves over it.
>>137127269
>don't really have to
That's not how feelings work anon.
They are absolutely convinced that it would. That is as much as you could ever need in regards to how they would feel about it. Why do you keep making me argue my point that things are fucked?
I will gladly give you your headcanon. Hell, I try to accept the optimistic headcanon for myself despite building that pessimsitic argument.
>>137126618
when Chloe asks for if she has a gf/bf, she said no. mentioned of him because he's the only kid who's into Max, which's she aware of.
text messages didn't imply anything though, like ''it's a date''
yeah, Kate was always mentioning about warren after he visited her at the hospital. give him a hug, he's cutiepie,bring him to our tea date... but Max was like '' we'll see. '' didn't imply anything about she's into her again.
Kate sounded like she was more willingly about going drive-in with him desu.
>Then again, she facepalms with a painful expression at Chloe's mention that he is in love with her.
>In EP5 aside of that kiss she goes back to totally ignoring him though.
yeah.
>>137127062
>Why are you so confrontative about this?
I'm not, just saying my piece. I think saying its be impossible to handle well is justunimaginative:)
Missed the last half of your post. On my phone now and it's a bitch to browse.
I wouldn't necessarily prefer the scene not be in there, but that doesn't change the potentially cold truth that it might have been a better narrative decision - kill your darlings and all that. Though that's HIGHLY debatable since, as I mentioned, Kate is by no means alone in being completely forgotten by the plot. So it's hard to say how relevant she was intended to be/should have been. Ep5 pretty much leaves the entire game wide open in terms of how it might have been done better.
But Dontnods plan of "Let's build to this characters potential suicide and then act like nothing happened the rest of the game," is complete bull. Same as how Rachel was built up only for be forgotten and rendered completely irrelevant immediately after the emotional reveal that she was dead.
It seems Dontnod just have no idea how to follow through in general.
post cute pics of Alice and Lisa
>>137126747
By the standards of Blackwell boys Warren could be considered cute-looking by Kate. However as soon as she became aware of his obsession with Cannibal Holocaust she'd never want to speak with him again.
>>137127447
Their conviction is influenced by a desperate situation that requires quick solutions they dont have so they grasp at the only thing they have.
After things cool down and they are able to think more clearly they would surely admit trusting Warren that everything will be awesome if only Chloe dies makes no sense.
And I really don't think it's that bad either way. Max seen fucked up shit all week and she was hardly bothered. Chloe might be more impacted, but it seems she is good as long as someone is giving her any attention.
If humans just gave up and died after every tragedy they experience humanity would died out by now but most people arent wimps.
>>137127904
>By the standards of Blackwell boys Warren could be considered cute-looking by Kate
When you put it in perspective, it's no wonder people head canon every girl as gay.
>>137127870
>>137127221
Dead girls can't cry.
>>137127904
>By the standards of Blackwell boys Warren could be considered cute-looking by Kate
sorry k8, i have to use bathroom
>>137127802
>I'm not, just saying my piece.
Yeah, "confrontative" is a bit much, but you know what you are doing with that "Except it's not." crap. :p
>Missed the last half of your post. On my phone now and it's a bitch to browse.
Oh god I forgive you everything. When I browse and post with my old shitphone I would even demand people forgive me for accidentally making a post praising the endings.
>Though that's HIGHLY debatable since, as I mentioned, Kate is by no means alone in being completely forgotten by the plot.
Yeah, that's exactly it. I would rather have Kate be in there and her theme be handled (as admittedly worse than it could have been, even in the scope of this project) as it is, than want them to not include the theme at all because they cannot do it more, let alone absolute justice. Besides, I remember from the Divine Podcast that he and dontnod have received tons of feedback from people in bad places that said that this theme of the game inparticular and how it was handled helped them a great deal. And Divine saying that's more than he could have ever dreamed the game could accomplish. So yeah, I kinda forgive them.
>It seems Dontnod just have no idea how to follow through in general.
Yeah, it's insane that they didn't plan to have the Kate scene in Episode 3 originally. People say it here all the time, but it's tue: "Oh, we were surprised people liked that character they spent 2 episodes being invested saving the life of and gave them another scene!"...
>>137127919
Oh anon. 1. Headcanon. Yeah, keep it. It's good. (Really, I mean it.) 2. Stop the Warren shit and listen to his dialogue again. Regardless of that, it's Chloe ~herself~ that arrives there all on her own without even knowing about the Diner conversation. She arrives there and she makes the point and suggestion to let her go.
And I say Max is destroyed ~because~ there was fucked up shit all week, the ending then being only a mere addition to that horror.
>>137128506
>And I say Max is destroyed ~because~ there was fucked up shit all week
Except she isn't.
>Oh anon. 1. Headcanon. Yeah, keep it. It's good.
Not sure why are you acting like it's just a delusional headcanon.
Nothing in canon implies they are being devastated
>Regardless of that, it's Chloe ~herself~ that arrives there all on her own without even knowing about the Diner conversation.
Which is nothing more than an uneducated guess.
>>137095018
>It's Max's overuse of her power that's causing the tornado
>Solution is to go back to bathroom and let Chloe die
>Because if it wasn't for that meeting in the bathroom, Max would have never discovered her power
>So apparently the idea is to make a timeline where Max never discovers her power
>But we already did this (alt universe/w Wheelie Chloe), and the same paranormal events were still happening at exactly the same times
>Let's ignore that for the moment, and point out Max discovered her power as a direct result of seeing Chloe die
>Presumably, Chloe not dying would have the same effect (actually a better chance) at stopping her from discovering her powers
>But this is what we actually did in the first rewind, went back to the bathroom and engineered a scenario where Chloe didn't die, so Max wouldn't have to rewind
>Ah, but that was after Max had already rewound once. Maybe the butterfly photo takes you back to the first time Max enters the Bathroom.
>Except that we had to re-take the Butterfly photo the second time we went into the bathroom, so that photo should lead to the second time Max entered the bathroom, where she already has her powers
> And they already established with photographing Kate and David, that you don't get to keep the photos after a rewind (except for the purposes of the optional photo collection thing, you don't keep them in game).
>So the photo must lead to the post-rewind bathroom
>Whateva, let's ignore that for the moment as well and assume the photo does take Max back to the first time she enters the bathroom
>Then since this is the first time in the bathroom, doing exactly what she did the second time, triggering the alarm and saving Chloe, would have prevented her from discovering her powers. Since letting Chloe die the first time around is actually what led to Max discovering her powers.
>>137128745
>Except she isn't.
K.
>Not sure why are you acting like it's just a delusional headcanon.
I never said delusional. Are you delusional? You saying they would calm down and "realize" that they don't actually know whether letting Chloe die would have solved anything and thus deactivating their feelings of guilt and pain and horror about it all is a headcanon. The idea that "nothing in canon implies they are being devastated" is ridiculous. Did we watch the same cliff scene?
>Which is nothing more than an uneducated guess.
Yep, they are crying their eyes out and ripping their hearts apart coming to the conclusion of having to make that decision because it's a casual guess they would later realize they do not have to feel anything about.
Last reply. Again, I don't want to argue a pessimistic point and I really do mean it that you can keep the headcanon. You know, the endings are open, imagination and all. Headcanon in this context is not a pejorative term here.
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>>137129149
ah shit. they arguing again
>>137128506
>than want them to not include the theme at all because they cannot do it more
For me, if episode 5 was a great finale but Kate alone ended up irrelevant with no reasonable way to write her back into it (stretching the old imagination there, since like I said I believe this plot could have been handled perfectly well with better planning/budget/whatever got in the way), then I'd rather they just cut the plot line and retooled the concept as maybe the main plot of a second season or something (seriously wtf do they have left to work with now? Even with a brand new cast, they've broadly covered so much teenage shit, how can they possibly avoid rehashing?).
With the game as it is, accepting that literally everything fell apart along side Kate's story, it's just like whatever, might as well just hold onto whatever's not shitty, episode 2's not the problem.
>>137129149
>The idea that "nothing in canon implies they are being devastated" is ridiculous. Did we watch the same cliff scene?
I don't know, did we?
The most i've seen was Chloe mentioning her mum but she quickly changes tune to "lol k" when Max tells her she isnt gonna go back.
Then they hold hands and watch the storm eat town. The end, such devastate.
>you can keep the headcanon
Thanks
>>137129198
What else is there to do?
Help...
>>137129715
cuteposting?
>>137129540
Fair enough. And I very much agree stuff like that is something they probably shouldn't have left to a secondary theme and secondary character to begin with. They could have touched on suicide subjects with Chloe, for example, and thus have the opportunity to do it more justice by not having to sweep it aside just by nature of plot priorities.
Things mentioned here like Max not even thinking about undoing Kate's suicide after she discovers her Focus powers are indeed not dontnod struggling with the balance of both outcomes or anything, but indeed just them forgetting shit in kind of bad taste.
>>137129540
>retooled the concept as maybe the main plot of a second season
How would that work? Would you play as Kate on her journey to recovery? I guess in theory that has the potential to be interesting. It could at least end on a more positive note than the first season.
