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Visual Novel General #1044

READ THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS IMPORTANT

>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:

1. Be in Japanese locale
2. Read the Readme
3. Read the wiki below
4. Google it

>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:
http://visual-novels-general.wikia.com/wiki/

>Need a novel with a specific element?
http://vndb.org/g

>Visual Novel Translation Status
https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&search_tripcode=%21%21UcDDlzwANFs&search_op=op

>Download Links:
http://pastebin.com/U7HUj0fk

Previous threads:
>>134930315

http://pastebin.com/zeiYgLrs

This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels. Some untranslated discussion is allowed in moderation, but please keep in mind that the primary purpose of this thread is for translated games, and anything else will only be tolerated for as long as it does not hinder this purpose.

If you see a blatant shitposter or someone being rude, please REPORT and ignore.

Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.
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Reminder that Type-Moon has their own general.
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>>135063431
I like this edition.
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Today will be a good day and nothing bad will happen.
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Are there any new translations released this month?
I'm guessing Root Double won't be because of SP being too professional.

>>135063542
Deaf in one ear/10.
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>>135063540
See, I was fucking right. He is the retard that spams /tmg/ shit.
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>>135063208
I think it's cool how on a single game with a few different personalities that there's such a difference in the range of what people like. I'm a Amane fan myself, and I know not many people think she's #1. I hate Makina and I like Michiru, and some people have the opposite opinions on that
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>>135063707
Makina is 2nd qtest and Michiru is shit.
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>he does it for free
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Would you bully Amane?
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>>135063916
Y Kusoge.
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>>135063916
Did the definition of bullying change? Because that's more like teasing.
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>>135063916
I would bully her tits
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>>135064003
https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/5c62e79fc8f96e04f3430b2602ca4478.webm
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>>135063663
tokyo babel
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>>135063663
Tokyo Babel.
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I K I K O I
K
I
K
O
I
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>>135063663
Tokyo Babel
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>>135063663
I'm still waiting for my fucking mug.
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>>135064049
that was fast
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>>135063980
Fine.
Would you tease Amane?
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Wasn't Tokyo Babel supposed to be good?
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>>135064235
Well I'm jealous if you ever get it.
Though I doubt there is anything that will make me give money to SP.

>>135064150
>>135064165
>>135064205
That's great.
I wonder how it measures up to Ayakashibito.
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>>135064296
Not particularly from what I've heard.
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>>135064296
I think it's the first time we will see how supposedly good Conjueror is as a translator.
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Flowers is all ages? But how can women show that they love women without eating her out?
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>>135064296
It must be better than Ayakashibito considering it doesn't have H.

lol those H scenes were hilarous
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>>135064481
They use phallic objects like pickles
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>>135064101
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>>135064296
>>135064376
It's considered shit by pretty much anyone and not even a quarter as good as Ayakashibito. The studio really let themselves go
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>>135064296
I'll probably still play it; even though I'm not a fan of No Sexual Content, Ayakashibito had enough extra to last a couple games.
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>>135064532
I thought they were pretty good, especially the gangbang rape scenes and I especially liked that the gave romantic arcs to the manlet which also depend on the route.
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>>135064463
Not really, he has an awesome translation of Dies Irae up on his blog / even in motion on his youtube channel.
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>>135064619
what you say senpai
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>>135063431
>doesn't get the dick
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>>135064619
Well it's rated 73 on EGS so I shouldn't get my hopes up.
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Well we found a way to keep a mod entertained for the weekend.
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Thanks janitor, you're doing god's work.
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>>135065283
>we
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>>135065283
Who will break first and stop, rebellious TM anon or >he does it for free janitor man?

Find out in the next few threads :^)
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>>135065450
Im a little surprised to see both of the going at it.

My money is on the TM sperg tho. Those autism levels are off the fucking charts.
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>>135065450
The janitor already won, he only needs to make a click to delete something, while the spammer needs to sit and wait out the post timers, or make the effort of posting from several devices.
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TM is fucking shit, I'm glad that shit isn't allowed here anymore.
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>>135065753
It wasn't a compliment. You have some serious issues that you're actually willing to sit down and post images like these ad naseum. I imagine you have 0 responsibilities in your life and nothing else to do which is why you would even bother wasting your time here.
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so /vn/ became a thread where mods come to shitban shitposters

I'm proud
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Okay, this was pretty weird and cool too.
Right at the start of Kichikuou Rance I was able to beat the general that comes to dismantle your little band of thieves, which gives a game over.
Apparently this is actually quite hard but I guess I got really lucky.
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>>135066357
it can't be lucky, you have to know what you're doing, like you have to pick having sex with Sill only for several weeks, and then use only Rance Attack during the fight.
You read a guide.
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>>135066520
What?
I had sex with Sill once and once with the girl I kidnapped at the town.
Then when a general came I used Rance attack and got her, I didn't know killing the general kills the entire unit until that.
I swear I didn't touch a guide but I've played Sengoku Rance before so at least the mechanics aren't that mystifying.
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I've seen the webm many times but this doesn't get any less funny.
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>>135068387
Lia is a qt
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>>135068387
what webm

and that artstyle is cool af
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>>135068741
It was in .gif form either the last thread or the thread before last.
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Edelweiss has been pretty fun so far. Just finished first route with Ran. The other Overdrive titles seem even more interesting, gonna try those after I'm done with this. It doesn't seem like these get discussed here very often.
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>>135068690
Yeah but her sprite is pretty fucking ugly in this one.
Now Maris on the other hand.

>>135068886
Kira Kira is quite good, Dengeki Stryker is very good, Deardrops is good or okayish and I haven't played any other titles.
Post your impressions on Edelweiss as you progress since I'm going to read it soon too, gotta finish BB2 and now Kichikuou Rance first though.
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I like this janitor. Hopefully he sticks around.
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>>135069685
Why? He's the one who started this shitfling. Can't even do his fucking job. Kill yourself faggot janitor
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>>135069685
Nah, I think he's going to leave once his personal agenda with the fateposter is done.

Shame, though. It'd be nice if all the EOP/JOP shitposters got deleted, too.
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>>135069685
Same here, kinda feels good for the shit to get BTFO every time.
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>>135070253
But they actually discuss about something though, unlike the fateposter who keeps posting and spamming one or 2 images and being autistic about that VN.
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>>135070869
I wouldn't say they discuss something. I'm not talking about the occasional person who posts an untranslated vn, like the island guy a couple threads ago. I'm talking about the people who say garbage like 'EOPs can't enjoy X in its intended form' 'Why aren't you learning Japanese' 'Fuck off JOP' 'Kill yourself, JOP' 'Why are you posting something only you can read' etc...
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>>135071209
That's because they're not wrong, if you post in Japanese and don't explain what shit you posted, people who don't speak Japanese are gonna get mad, especially the fact that this thread is ONLY for English translated visual novels.
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>>135071351
>people who don't speak Japanese are gonna get mad
nah, i just look at it and move on

not everyone gets so easily upset
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>>135071351
Except that has happened like a thousand times in the past and they know it doesn't resolve anything. Just ignore and report.
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>>135071418
Says you, you're not everyone, stop generalizing people.

>>135071463
Ignoring and reporting won't do anything, especially when these people are too lazy to read the fucking thread that English is the only thing allowed in here, we don't want your Japanese, so those can go to >>>/jp/, the only exception to that is if people are talking about the translation of the game not the actual game itself.
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>>135071690
>stop generalizing people.
that's kind of rich considering in your first post that's exactly what you did. unlike you i used the first person in my reply.
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>>135071463
>Just ignore and report.

Yeah, that's working like a charm.
No wonder this is such a great thread with no image spam.
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>>135071690
Ignoring does 10x more than replying.
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>>135071690
You are not talking in behalf of the people here.
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>>135071843
>First post
What post? You must've mistaken me for another guy
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>>135071931
>>135071941
No, ignoring does nothing, JOPs aren't as autistic as this retarded fateposter. It's best if people actually tell people that they're doing the wrong thing, they have brains to understand.
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>>135070170
I like him too. Keep up the good work.
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>>135071945
>people who don't speak Japanese are gonna get mad

sounds like a generalization to me, which is why i replied in the first place. i really doubt everyone is fuming when they see some moonrunes on a porn powerpoint.
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>>135072196
You are missing the point, the point was it was violating against the thread rules and the board rules. All Japanese visual novels must be in >>>/jp/ and all English and English translated ones are supposed to be here. A society does not function without rules.
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>>135072062
You're an idiot. It's usually the same people who shitpost like that. Do you know why they do it? Not to spark discussion. Not to say their vn is better than others. They do it for people like you to take the bait and reply. The people who reply to shitposters getting mad are as much of the problem as the shitposter themselves are.
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>>135072374
>all English and English translated ones are supposed to be here
Nope, OELVN shit doesn't belong here.
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>>135072460
Says you, you're the idiot here. So you're saying that the JOPs are as autistic as the fateposter who's spamming the thread right now? Are you trying to generalize people again?
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>>135072638
Swap Saber for Kenshin
They are both brick so it should be ok
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>>135072638
stop being french
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>>135072583
On this board, you fuckwit.

>>135072638
Then don't post fate.
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>>135064296
It's not as good as Ayakashibito but decent if you like chuuni. Also araragi and hanakana.
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>>135072672
JOPs have been shitposting in /vn/ for months. You must not have been here for that long if you think they don't know that they belong on /jp/. I'm not saying they're all as autistic as the fatefag, but if you think they'll stop shitposting if you reply to them, then you are mistaken.
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>>135073152
How am I mistaken? You're trying to imply and generalize again? They are willing to shut up if you actually tell them off. I've been there and done that a couple of times and it kept this general from becoming /hgg/ where everyone are weebfags who'd bash anyone who does not speak Japanese.
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>>135073442
Have you been here for 2 days? Every fucking thread for the past several months has been filled with EOP/JOP shitflinging.
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Sibling incest is the purest form of love.
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>>135073442
I'm going to stop replying to you because you're missing the point I'm trying to make. Maybe normal posters who are actually mistaken would go to /jp/, but they never have posted here and probably never will. I'm talking about the shitposters that I mentioned here:
>>135072460
>It's usually the same people who shitpost like that. Do you know why they do it? Not to spark discussion. Not to say their vn is better than others.
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>>135073740
And that's the reason we must keep this thread alive, that happened to other threads as well and I'm sad to say that the casualties are immense. We brothers, must fight for this thread. Because if no ones gonna protect it, it's gonna just gonna crumble down and be forgotten. If you don't want to lose /vn/ then it's best if we actually do something about it.

>>135073925
So you're saying we'd just let /vn/ get run over by autistic JOPs and weebs like /hgg/, just like the other threads that got deleted and died? If you're not gonna reply to me, that's because you knew that you were wrong about your statements, and I'm fine with that even if you don't tell me.
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Give me some good VN that has emotionally unstable girls
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>>135074560
School Days.
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>>135074560
Hoshimemo
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>>135074560
ikikoi
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>>135074560
Cross Channel, Grisiaia to an extent
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>>135074560
The VNs with mentally stable girls are in the minority.
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>>135074560
Kara no Shoujo, specifically episode 2.
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>>135074560
all Romeo stuff

R07 stuff

denpa stuff
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>>135075875
get banned already desu
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>>135075798
Dayum
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>>135075798
>>135075875
i'd like you to post lewd so you can finally rest in peace pls
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>>135075484
>R07 stuff
>good
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>>135076172
pls do, i'm expecting :DD
make it juicy :3
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>>135076251
higurashi is good
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>>135076378
U-umineko is good for awhile too.
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>>135076527
but half of it is unedited mess
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>>135076781
It was an artistic statement
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>>135063431
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>>135074697
I started this yesterday, and it's got such a great OST even though I'm less than a day in.
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>>135063431
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>>135078335
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>>135078310
Yes.
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>>135078310
No. This is like 2 autists sperging out. Fate was already a bitch to try discuss here before, but it'll be even worse now with the retard mod deleting every Fate picture and these other retards spamming their shit and fucking up the thread.
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why people waifufag about subahibi while it's supposed to be a deep and meaningful story?
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>>135078974
Why would those be mutually exclusive?
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>>135079156
I just see too much of the first so I wonder.
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>>135077674
Best girl on left sorry
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Is this a reference to Lord British from Ultima?
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>>135072672
JOPs are much, much worse.
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>>135079398
Nigga, please.
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>>135079223
So you prefer spoilers?
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>>135079398
If you like RPGs you should definitely play the Ultima series, it doesn't get any better than those.
Arguably, of course, and I personally like the IE games more.
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>>135079762
I prefer completely translated VN discussion dingus
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>>135079240
This, also second best on the right
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>>135080068
But SubaHibi is already completely translated.
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>>135078798
good thing theres multiple other places on 4chan where you can discuss TM stuff ;)
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Any VN where this happen?
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>>135080170
only for a few chosen TLwiki people
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>>135079240
What game is this? Is this gonna get translated?
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>>135080268
Plenty.
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>>135080268
MC cucks a chad and then they slowly turn into lolis? I don't think so.
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>>135080350
Kono Oozora Ni, or as Westerners know it.. If my heart had wings. So yes Its already been translated
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>>135080350
It's already translated, you can buy it on steam.
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>>135080443
Cool, thanks.
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>>135080268
I hate you degenerates.
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>>135063431
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>>135080268

Every single VN where there's a childhood friend character and you have the option to not pick her.

If you mean your childhood friend cucks you in game then yeah, but not very many, none particularly good, and only maybe one or two translated.
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>>135080268
That one Elf game that everyone sperged about
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>>135079240
>hyped as fuck for ageha
>the route happens
how are things in the all-ages version by the way ?
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Is there anyone else here played the fuck out of Nanaca Crash before learning VNs were a thing?
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>>135081860
god awful.
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Hey Fate anons, can you please stop?
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>>135082940
>>135082670
Keep fighting the good fight anon
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>>135063431
>tfw lesbian couple in the far right.
DROPPED
yuri worst fetish
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>>135082670
>>135082940
Do you not realize it all began exactly because you(fatefags) were being retarded and got reported dozens of times?
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>>135083628
But you can fug the white haired one, right?
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>>135082940
hes not abusing shit. You have your own thread where you can dump like an autist. Stop shitting up this fucking thread.
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>>135083628
>dropping a game you can't even read
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>>135083730
>>135083862
autism
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>>135063542
Asuho makes my dick and heart go DOKI DOKI
Best Hoshimeme
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>>135083628
>>135063431
What game is this?
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Is VNDS dead ?
Where can I find Saya no Uta files to plsy on my DS ?
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>>135083897
>not dropping kusoge
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Why is Tonya still there anyway? Is she still spying on everyone?
Why didn't Kotarou do shit in Touko's route?
Kaoru's route was alright, though I admit the attack on the Domion HQ was ridiculous, especially because of that threesome scene out of nowhere, the Kotarou vs Kuki fight was underwhelming too.
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>>135084081
H2O
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How do I get patrician tastes like moogy-dono?
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So we can all agree the Grisaia sequels will have vastly inferior translation compared to the original fan translation because LOL shitkai projkekt XDDD

Right?
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>>135084907
Who cares, garbage Reddit franchise.
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>>135084907
Is koestl not working on the sequels as well?
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>>135085053
He is but if he's not the only one to touch it shitkai projkekt will fuck it up somehow

probably because whoever does whatever technical work and proof reading work needs to be done will be incompetent retards
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>>135085236
Where is all the hate coming from? I thought the TL and editing on Fruit of Grisaia was great. If the sequels are near there it should be great as well.
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>>135085616
That's because they basically changed nothing from the original TL Wiki fan translation you fucking reddit memer.
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>>135084543
This doesn't look like the same VN. Are you sure its called H2O?
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>>135085718
I know, but if its good then why change it? They simply bought it.
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>>135086031
The competent people who translated and edited that one aren't working on the sequels.

Only Koestl who will only be doing part of the translation work with some shitkai projkekt clowns editing and doing technical work.
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>>135085748
It's actually Ikikoi, you got trolled.
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>>135083992
Shes so sweet.
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>>135086152
are they nonamers or someone who is known in the community for subpar work?
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>>135085748
Why don't you use the image search function?
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>>135086424
Everything sekai project releases that wasn't already translated is fucking garbage. So whoever they have working for them are consistently retarded or just don't care.
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>>135063663
Isn't MuvLuv supposed to be released this month?
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>>135086790
>new translations
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>>135086579
I like to give them the benefit of the doubt. If it comes out shitty, well its not like I plan on buying it anyway, but if its decent then it wont hurt.
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>>135084107
>DS
https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B2ifkuwdJmWPbEJxbVQtazdLUWs
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>>135086972
L I T E R A L L Y everything they've released that they didn't copy from someone else's work was terrible garbage.

Without exception.
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>>135086882
I'm optimistic and want to assume the old TL has been revised and edited.
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Anyone have any tips on installing Muv Luv on a 64bit OS?
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>>135087060
Right, so a smart company would then use the feedback data and find employees who would do a better job.

We will see if they are smart or not.
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>>135087218
No because reddit retards will buy what they shit out regardless so they don't have to
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>>135087121
Desist.
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>>135087218
They don't care. They have been called on their shit countless times and they still don't learn.
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>>135087121
Sometimes it doesn't even run on normal computers mang
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Is it true that someone from Age leaked rUGP codes so Amaterasu was able to hack it?
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>>135088014
Yes, it was me.
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>>135086268
>>135083992
>>135063542
I think I'll find it extremely difficult to not pick her on subsequent playthroughs.
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>>135080321
Get out, JOP.
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>>135090759
I have a huge soft spot for girls that are into the MC from the start.
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>>135092373
I get what you mean, but Asaho's also a great tomboyish girl which I happen to like even more.
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>>135092932
It is time to stop. Seriously.
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>>135092932
>>135093161
>he's at it again
Embarrassing.
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>>135093370
We all believe you samefag
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>>135093169
See >>135082940
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>>135092780
I'm in her route, what's her drama about? So far every route's drama has been fucking retarded but this girl shouldn't have too many problems.
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Dies vs CCC is today?
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>>135093910
think there was a misunderstanding about cheating with your cousin, so you'll have to get through that. That's if I remember correctly, it's been a while.
I think she's the "true" end, since the end revolves around the Snow Sakura and she's the girl from flashbacks.
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>>135094182
2 hours left.
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>>135063431
source on the pic?
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>>135097693
Looks like Ikikoi
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>>135097851
I thought that but I recognise nobody. I'm only like 20 minutes in but it seems to be super focused on the 4 main girls so I don't imagine there being this many extras.
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>>135097693
It's Ikikoi
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>>135094231
The drama in this game is always something that could have been avoided if they were to sit and think for one fucking minute.
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>>135097987
It's sakura no uta
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>>135098030
I think you described it perfectly a couple of days back when you said it's the most 00's thing ever.
Reminds me of a lot of VN adaptations that relied on misunderstandings and cheap drama to fill up 1 or 2 cours.
Unless that was somebody else, but I doubt we have 2 anons playing it at the moment.
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>>135098125
>OP of /vn/ is JOP shit

no wonder this place is full of shite
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>>135098315
t. sour grapes EOP
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Could Hitler kill servants?
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>>135098526
Why doesn't anyone summon Hitler?
He's a heroic spirit if I ever saw one.
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>>135098526
Can the buttblasted mod/janitor kill servants?
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>>135098526
No.

>>135098638
Nobu killed his double in Koha-Ace
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>>135098638
I'm now imagining Hitler as Japanese little girl. I mean Jack the Ripper ended up as a cute loli after all.
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>>135098807
Would follow and genocide for.
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>people talking about If My Heart Had Wings
>always saw it on steam, never gave it a second glance
>saw image of main girl on the water bed thing
>super cute
>now i'm interested
>looking at the characters
>see pic related

What characters have you fallen in love with before even playing a vn?
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That piano anon should listen to Subameme OST:

It's pretty good and sounds easy to transcript.
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>>135098923
Not sure I follow, what do you mean? Are you saying the guy that committed the murders in the 19th century has a different myth in nasuverse?
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>>135099000
No, but I feel a lot of things right now.
Nice numbers btw.
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>>135099000
as a fellow high test anon I naturally like meaty girls like her
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>>135099000
nice get
btw
>>135099999
>>135100000
>>135111111
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>>135099586
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>>135099000
Kotori and Amane are both pretty good.
Remember to download the restoration patch.
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>>135099000
never happened but i wish it did
have fun with konosora btw
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>>135099000

She looks fucking adorable.
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>>135101273
so it's a tulpa
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>>135101273
edgy
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>>135100863
I wish MG would hurry up and localize this. They've got a partnership with the makers, don't they?
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>>135101784
Yes, but it may be just for the PE series.
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>Yuu lives with his mother. He looks delicate, but he practices martial arts hard every day to be a martial art fighter like his father.

>One day, his mother suddenly says to him,
"I'm actually your father..."

>According to him, he will become a woman if he does not make a baby in female costume by a certain age.

>Therefore, he joins a girls' school in female school uniform to find his fiancee...
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>>135101784
Didn't people say it was pretty mediocre?
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Trying to find the DarkTranslations for Taimanin Asagi 1 & 2, did they get purged or what?
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>>135101945
>you eill never make a baby in female costume

why live tbqbh
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>>135102068
It has good art and sex scenes, so who cares? I'd buy it.
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>>135102750
>buy
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>>135102068
People say that about everything these days, its hard to go off that.
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>>135102890
nice meme
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>>135102890
Fuck off pirate scum we buy our VNs around here
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>>135068387
Rance will make Leazas great again

>>135066357
It's not hard. It just requires figuring out that you can use Rance Attack. The new generation of gamers don't try out every option in battle so never figured out what the wait option was for
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>>135103891
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>>135102890
The only VN I'd buy is BBH to get Rance in the west.
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>>135104550
I really hope that we get the remakes intead of the originals.
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>>135104980
There is 0 chance of them licensing 20 year old freeware
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>>135099000
Hits the spots.
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>>135105265
Yeah, that makes sense. Also 0 percent chances of people buying them if they do.
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>>135099048
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>>135099000
Lewd
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>>135108719
wut
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>>135099000
I liked her too but then I remembered her voice actress played a character I fucking hated and I couldn't stop thinking about it.
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We are ded
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>>135098268
Nope, that was me.
Still, I didn't think it would have THIS much misunderstandings and slapstick comedy. It's a trip to the past but not in a good way. The 00s are not an era I would like to come back.

>>135110776
>last post literally 2 minutes ago
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>>135098807
Pity Daiteikoku was shit
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>>135099000
Whoa, she's got pretty big eyes.
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>>135111563
>he's litterally never seen an anime art style before

they are pretty normal man
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>>135111681
I was making a joke about the translation's boob censorship. They replaced all the references to breasts to eyes.
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>>135111965
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>>135111965
I've never touched the official translation. Is it worth a read just for the laughs?
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>>135111965
Holy shit I thought they just removed all lewd discussion, didn't realised they attempted to just switch words out.

I feel like I should play the official version just for entertainment purposes.
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>koichoco
>michiru route

What's the purpose of this character?
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>>135111965
I never knew that.

God dammit, who the fuck over at moenovel thought that was a good idea?
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>>135112128
Maybe. It's not going to have you in tears the whole time though.
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>>135112249
That's the only I have left, is it any good?


Isara>Satsuki>Chisato>Mifuyu in terms of both their rites and best girl ranking.
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