> News
- Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII is now available as a downloadable fighter.
- Corrin from Fire Emblem Fates is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
- Bayonetta is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
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>>128447219
We welcome you to our discord group: https://discord.gg/0kREIgTgrgJpcCCVPlease keep all garbage there thanks
The one true king
who 1v1 here?
>>128447219
I wish someone oddshot when he got up and screamed at the top of his lungs and punched his chair because someone replied ";)" when he told them they were trash on FG.
Don't ruin the threads this time Smash 4 kiddies with your delusions and lies like you did in the last thread
>>128447602
It's been a while, man. Leggo
>>128448212
lol
>>128448493
Sent a request and hosting.
So Ice Climbers, Samus, and Peach tips?
>>128449171
D-smash.
>Zero literally getting other people to write all his "analysis" videos
Literally either gets a top player to write the script for him or does one of his LP-tier videos on FG/Tournament mode
>>128448493Dont kill yourself on purpose
>>128450630Or else what
genesis 3 grand finals will be armada and hungrybox
Y'all ready for this? Only one more month, senpaitachi.
>>128450796
I want to be stepped on by Corrin!
>>128450796
Those poorly rendered feet will be far more poorly rendered on your console.
>>128450781
>memelee
>>128450674Or else nothing, but theres no point in friendlies or in serious matches. Its just a waste of time for the person killing themselves on purpose.You learn from making mistakes, no one learns anything from 'muh honor'.
>>128450796
>>128451489suit yourself
>>128450796
Where are her nails?
reflexes tier list: "Part experience, part results, part perceived potential"
Rate
>>128452357
Looks about right at the top. Might move Rosa up above Ryu. Certainly I'd move Pikachu above Ryu just because I think Pikachu has an advantageous matchup against Ryu specifically.
Also, Wario higher than C-Falks, Yoshi and Cloud? Dumb. Also I'd probably move Dark Pit up into C.
>>128452357
Your character is not the worst one in the game. Stop this meme, jpuff.
>>128449171
Do not let Nana die ever. Practice your SoPo anyway. Stay grounded when you can during the neutral, aerial mobility isn't that great but if you need to fight air2air, up air beats nearly everything above you and bair is pretty cool. wavedash jab grab still catches people in the year 2016. Or just wavedash down smash. On fast fallers, everything that pops the opponent up could be grabbed a from at low percent. Hitting with a desync blizzard is free. If you can't wobble, dthrow and let nana dair unless you want to kill in which case let nana up smash. In general though, figure out how to setup wobbles because those are free stocks.
Optimize your missile spam, your missile should come our right before you hit the ground. You can approach with them. Don't forget to CC down smash/down tilt because that always works for some reason. Keep a charge shot ready when against spacies for when you get an up throw. (if they DI behind use bair) Against most other characters you could use down throw too. Always up B OoS. Poke with wavedash foward or backwards ftilt. Punish bad smash attacks on shield with grabs.
Literally down smash.
Throw turnips for fun. Chaingrab spacies. Dash attack fast fallers. Use another down smash. Float cancel your aerials. Low bairs are good. Gimp bad recoveries. Down smash again. idk i suck with peach
>>128450796
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>>128452734
Where are Yoshi's results?
>>128453040
Thanks man, I'll keep these in mind.Can Nana be the lead like she can in PM
>>128453493
Nah, you play as Popo with Nana 6(?) frames behind you until desynced/seperated
>>128453479
Fair question. I dunno it just feels like Yoshi has the potential. His movement is weird and janky, he's got armor, good damage, a powerful spike, can kill with upair, I THINK grab setups. (I'm not a Yoshi player) I dunno. I'm going on personal instinct.
I was looking through old Nsider posts when I found one of these. Did any of you guys have stuff like this?
>>128452357
I'm kekking at how different your opinions are from mine.
Here, have some of my shit opinions.
who is the sluttiest /ssbg/
>>128453479
Sky
>>128454370
I am.
>>128453479
In japan, tristate, central florida, houston
nationally, depends on what ESAM does with his
>>128453915
>I THINK grab setups
no
>>128454619
slut
>PT VII with the same number of entrants as the last one
WE DID IT REDDIT
>>128454987
:3c
>>128455160
I imagine the "c" as little legs!
>>128454218Who were you on Nsider[?/spoiler]
>>128454218
Yeah along with an old atrocious username.
Anyone want to play some matches?
>>128456263
WiiU? EU or US?
>>128456332
WiiU
US
>>128456332
Canada and Wii-u
>>128448212
You can't expect people here to not talk about the most relevant smash more than melee or project meme.
>>128456425
Sent. Make a room?
>>128456653
Hosting
Why are Meleefags so obnoxious when most of them don't even play the game?
>>128456725
Oof, didn't realize it w as on me to change the rules. I noticed and was like "Oh he forgot".
>>128457105
bandwagon effect
>>128457105
It's funny because you've got high level players like Hbox, PewPewU and Wobbles having fun with Smash 4 and keeping an open mind but the streamboars who don't play will endlessly talk shit.
>>128457249
I guess that's how retarded it gets if the bandwagon has 14 years of momentum.
It will die soon though
>>128453232
>letting the australian win
Is there a single smash character that can defeat Mario? And I'm not talking about fire flower Mario or metal Mario, I'm talking about SM64 Mario with enough accumulated speed to travel through parallel universes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A&feature=youtu.be
>>128458152
Madara Uchiha of course
>>128458152
Rosalina since she creates said universes
>>128458268
Can she be in all those universes at the same time?
>>128452932
I wouldn't put puff under Ganon / Zelda / Palutena for sure
>>128458503
I don't think so but she watches over all of them
>>128458259
Which Madara Uchiha?
Who wants to play dubs?
>>128458549
>Palu
>bad
Lrn2jab, Lrn2ledgecancel, Lrn2invincibleBair, Lrn2Dthrow, etc
>>128459078
Count me in.
>>128458549
Ganon is nowhere near as hopeless as puff.
>>128456725
Sorry about that last game. Got a call I gotta take halfway through and it fucked me all up even worse than before. Good games. More later perhaps.
>>128459765
GGs
Good games, Lamato. Really fun, I always appreciate the toon link practice. There were a few intense games there, but I gotta get ready for my day in a moment.
Also this is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgpbP5TrBN4
Is Mario vs Cloud 50:50?
>>128459286
I don't think she's bad and neither is puff as they both have things they can do to beat any character, but other characters just have more options. Palu can't do much against rush down once someone gets in because her moves are pretty slow, DI'ing her dthrow properly and not airdodging like a moron already makes her kills hell to get, and while bair is great to beat other aerials it can be blocked and punished fairly easy. I don't know how ledge cancel is that relevant in making her better against the rest of the cast other than a surprise during a set if they didn't know you could do that.
>>128460009
And to add, you are the first person to ever instantly grab Pac's fruits and instantly throw them back, I guess I shouldnt expect differently from someone who mains a character that specializes in pickupable items.
I dont want to think about how much id struggle if everyone could do that reliably.
>>128460040
Palu's Bair is safe on block numbnuts
>>128460254
lol
http://www.wavedash.com/blog/2016/1/11/lets-make-a-platform-fighter
oh boy another RoF
>>128460009
Had a lot of fun myself. Your Pacman is still overwhelming as shit.
>Getting hit by DDDs non-threatening bair every time
YOU CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
nice memeapp btw
>>128460445
>from PM creators
nah, ill be good.
>>128460351
>11 frames of shieldstun
>16 frames of landing lag
>>128458116
>Horneaus at GF
Wanna enter m8?
>>128460040
>no setups for anything
>dies at 50
>moves are punishable on hit until 40%
>>128459371
Guess not today. I'll go play some other vidya.
Ggs Lister, thanks for the set. Poor Monado boy!
>>128460445
Well there's no Nintendo characters so I'm not interested.
>>128460716
oh i willjust so i can win again
>>128460796
>gets nothing out of grabs
>slow pummel
>throws kill at maybe 200%
>>128460351
-8 vs OoS options and outspaces most good ones.
>>128460598
8 frames of shield stun, floor(12/1.75)+2=8
Fun fact, fair is 2 frames safer and more range.
>>128460913
We only need JACOB and possibly Pher if he's in the mood to enter a CASUAL tournament so It gets more skilled players.
Also Falkore
>>128461048
Bair has a +3 modifier against shields
>>128461087
jacob lags like hell with me now unfortunately, pher is fun to fight anyway and falkore got rekt last time we fought
>>128460009
CHAZO, STOP MAKING THESE FFS SENPAI
>>128461248
Shield damage modifiers are not calculated in shield stun or else marth's uncharged shield breaker would be 19 frames of shieldstun, but you can test yourself and see that it's only 7 frames.
>>128460445
Wrong general
>>128461406
Do you mean Falcuck or Budget Falkore?
>>128461716
mr kekkles obviously, wasn't budget horn?
Shulk main here
What can I do against fucking ROB?
those wavedash games people announced they started development
nothing to show for, just stated that they're doing things
http://www.wavedash.com/blog/2016/1/11/lets-make-a-platform-fighter
>>128461087
>Also Falkore
LOL
>TX and MDVA in first round of crews
>winner has to play Tristate
Man I want my region to do well but even if they beat MDVA they don't stand a chance of making it any further.
>>128461087
>falkore
>>128461087
>Falkore
>The eternal 4th
kek
>>128461952
>TX only has trela
>le wall
>literally who
could've put even stripher in there
>your main
>your secondary
>your for fun characters
>your favorite music from a video game
>>128462341
Trela is Trela and Karna did pretty well at TBH5. I haven't seen much of The Wall but he did manage to piss off Denti that one time. Other than that it's pretty much nothing, RIP Texas.
>>128463039
ZSS (will be Bayo)
Ryu
Cloud, KING DEDEDE, Zelda
I don't like video game music
>>128463039
Favorite vidya OST is the original Animal Crossing
>>128463039
ZSS
Pits
Half the roster
This whole soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugo6ASPVu9g
>>128463207
>Trela
>Karna
>The Wall
aren't these the guys who piss on DFW occasionally? They're all pretty good but Trela's gonna carry the team.
>>128463039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk
>>128463039
Ganondorf
Ryu
Falcon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF8nxduBm5U
>>128463039
Villager
Wario
Ryu, Alph, Pac-Man
Chrono trigger
>>128463039
Bowser
None
Bowser, Shulk and Little Mac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX65poZ8jiE
>>128463495
Houston always pisses on DFW when they come here. Never seen Trela here but Karna dominates half the time he goes to Shockwave.
>>128463039
Ike
Palutena
Marth
Probably the Xenoblade soundtrack. X's isn't as good overall, but still has some great tracks.
>>128463506
I will never understand this meme.
>>128463924
>he doesn't remember
>>128463924
Blame the Diddy Kongs
They need more bullying
>>128464032
The 21st night of September?
>>128463039
Greninja
ZSS
Diddy/Peach/everyone that isn't FE or a plumber or Cloud
I wouldn't say it's my favorite ever but I'm feeling nostalgic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5xWF5Rmxtg
>>128463712
I've always thought that one sounded like a Tales game song. Still great.
>>128463828
X's aren't as good for sure but it's been growing on me pretty strong lately. Running around the jungle yelling "ONE BY OOOOOONEEEEEE SEE THE SUUUUUNNNNN" and shit.
Is it bad my mindset is slowing becoming "You're in my way" when I play competitively.
>>128465125
Who's in your way
>>128463039
Robin
It's gonna be Corrin
Little Mac, Kirby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugx7T8QjcZs
>>128465246
>>128465125
>>128465246
Any opponent. I usually play for fun and stuff, but I'm becoming so jaded that I see most opponents as just someone in my way rather than a fun challenge.
I think I need a break.
>>128465430
You'll never beat Karna, let alone Trela if The Wall is in your way.
>>128465430
>tfw no princess gf
>>128465547
Are you a competitive person? Is your goal to win regardless of the opponent? Do you want to be a better player? Do you not have fun when playing seriously? You decide if you need a break.
When I play in bracket or something i'm aiming to win and I have fun by playing with that mindset, win or lose. If that's not fun to you, don't do it. If you enjoy playing like that, go for it.
Need one more for dubs
>>128465430
>everyshonen.gif
do people even play 3ds smash?
can 3ds reach the same level of technicality as wii u?
>>128466584
yes
no
>>128465430
Poor Wall.
>>128463039
Peach
D3, ROB, ganon
whatever
https://youtu.be/eijdNQMYikY
https://youtu.be/6THFGWLEn7w
https://youtu.be/OJ6XpUz2RmA
>>128450796
I want to fuck with her feet.
>>128452357
Feels good maining one of the most technical characters.
I'd put Ryu above ZSS though.
Poorfags
Falkore says that what if we change de date of Rustlemania to the 31th, do you agree?
>>128467185
fuck off falkore
>>128467185
>please let me in, guys!
fuck off, everyone else has a life too and manages somehow
>"I main Peach!"
>>128467359
me desu
>>128467359
y peach mains ugly af
>>128463039
mains are yellow
secondaries are red
for fun are green
this text isnt.
It's way to hard to point a favorite song from videogames when it is the only thing I listen too but have this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SoTm7jPNoA
>>128466584
Present.
Maybe. it's the same game but with slightly nerfed controls. I kick everyone of my friends who are into competitive here using my 3ds as controller so its not impossible
>>128455478
Sorry, I just lurked Nsider.
>>128461791
Use a secondary character
>>128461791
Walk towards him, shield the lasers and grab the gyro. Once you have the gyro, smash throw it straight up and get up close to deal damage.
I'm not sure what Monado arts you should use but I would say either Buster or Speed would be your friend. Especially speed as this allows you to bypass the projectiles much easier while also poking him at range.
Guys, I need help. I feel like I really need to change my tag.
What are some good ideas?
>>128463039
>Samus
>Falco
>literally everyone else. I play just about everyone bar DDD/Oli
>Bayo 2's got some good shit, but Pokemon Plat is hands down some real good stuff.
So I started maining Pacman a while back.
But I'm kinda realizing that, while I'm okay at setups using the hydrant and fruit and shit effectively, I'm not good with him otherwise.
Any tips? Setups, good melee/close moves/chains/whatever?
Wish his grab wasn't so slow...
>>128469094
and your tag is?
>>128469536
Chazostatue
>>128468719
>Especially speed as this allows you to bypass the projectiles much easier while also poking him at range.
Speed art lowers your jump height and ROB's projectiles are good at covering ground. His laser gets some vertical but mostly at a distance. Jump art lets you short hop over his zoning and approaching ROB from above, particularly with nair since it combos and the hitbox starts below you. Also Jump art does not lower your knockback or damage so nair stays -4 vs OoS options. Just be careful when ROB has gyro in hand
Try to stay very evasive in jump art though since you can take damage much easier. If you've got ROB cornered without his gyro, I'd recommend going buster since ROB lacks other good options for escaping pressure and you can rack up damage just by covering his options with the manado.
All this said, speed is good for pushing ROB into the corner with nair planes as well as covering large distances before he can start to setup a projectile wall.
>>128469609
barst24
>>128467359
>>128469684
Think you meant to reply to >>128461791 but thanks, was also trying to learn Shulk myself.
>>128469536
Let's just say that I constantky get confused with a high level player and if I continue to go to big tournaments the confusion will drive me crazy.
>>128469967
Well no one will get you confused once they see you playing, so you're set.
>>128469684
This is all very good but a close combat ROB totally obliterates me. His attacks go very fast out of shield and with all my end lag, it futile. Not to mention that fucking hoo haa it now has
>>128469967
And your tag is?
>>128463039
>Rosalina
>Lucina!
>Tink, Pittoo, Junior, random buttonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUNRHbijfK8
>>128470204
It's void
>>128469505
If you know how to incorporate fair, bair, hydrant and power pellet into your fruit setups, then you you're doing well enough. The rest of your moveset should be used to get you space for those setups. You can use fair and nair to jab lock if you pay attention. Nair is frame 3 so you can use that as a get off me, jab and down tilt can stuff approaches pretty well. Up b, particular OoS is how you dip when you don't like your position. (trampoline at ledge with melon in hand is stupid amount of option coverage btw)
>>128469967
Just pick something you want to go by.
>>128470204
Sounds like it's Void.
>>128470204
sp00ky
>>128470467
>>128470478
Ding ding.
Anyway, I just don't know what to go with, Void was a tag I used when I dabbled in graffiti and sticker art for a while and I feel like if I stick to it it would be like someone who used the same tag as Zero or Mango.
Just plain weird, you know?
Or am I just being a bitch boy over nothing?
>>128469967
MooTooKing
>>128463039
megaman
kirby atm, but i rotate out my secondaries
dedede, cloud, mewtwo, marth
oh god that's a hard question. maybe mt dedede
>>128470157
OoS ROB's fastest option is grab. You have the aerial mobility in both jump and speed to cross him up so I'd recommend that. In buster you can trade with his grab by using jab. (which is really strong in buster) The other OoS options are Gyro throw which you can't really do anything about, be careful when he has it in hand, and up smash which is a bit too slow, if he tries it when you land in front of him you can actually jab him first. And a MALLC bair, or late dair/up air on shield is a free grab.
When you approach a character shielding, you have to be smart about what you do. Either frame advantage or range. You can poke with down tilt at a range and he can't do anything about it. Or even a pivot ftilt if you're in speed. Just be careful about ROB's gyro, that thing fucks up any kinda pressure.
>>128471142
If you pulled the name Void out of thin air with no real reason behind it, why not do that again? Do you need /ssbg/'s meme recommendations cause we can do that.also there is another player named Zero who plays 64, a Zero who plays Ness in melee, also a Xero somewhere I think
>>128471142
I get it, it would be less of a problem if you didn't also main sheik because that makes it more confusing. You could try adding something to void if you don't want to change it completely like void followed by numbers or another word something like that.
Hi, /ssbg/.
I usually useMeta Knight, Dedede, Olimar, and Lucas, but I was thinking of trying out Peach. How do you use her effectively? Any tips? Do I have to master her float?
I noticed that I could short-hop and kinda float just above the ground and perform aerials. That seemed pretty cool. I'm sure that's got some potential to it.
>>128472323
>possible peachmain appears
Leave while you can
>>128471142
GraffitiVoid do it
>>128472535
Is she difficult to learn?
>>128472323
Yes you have to master her float. Float heights, jump cancel fast fall, etc. Low floats let you apply pressure with aerials which peach excels at. To be effective with Peach you have to optimize her movement and combos. Find the guides by DrkPch and EOE on youtube for that.
>>128472685
Somewhat but moreso that peach mains are a meme here.
See >>128467359
>>128472157
Nah, there was a reason behind Void.
Also, I came to ask you because you guys areMy friends.
>>128472251
>>128472540
I really don't like the numbers..
GraffitiVoid sounds like a a kid who struggled to think of a forum username, lol.
I was thinking of something like "TX_Void" or even going with "VxID", but I was thinking that no one would get the pronunciation right.
>>128472784
Neat! Thanks.
>>128471142
If you decide to git gud, you will need a more unique name. There will come a point where you'll fight the other Void and it will be about who gets to keep the name.
I wouldn't ask here, though. I'd go to /v/ or somewhere with a larger population and ask about what inspired people to pick their usernames.
You can do what I did: [Middle name] [Random Letter]. It's done well enough so far.
>>128473059
See, I really, REALLY, don't think the other Void would be that way about a tag, I hear he's actually super cool.
We even have it styled differently, but who knows.
I play D3 on stages with low ceilings
>>128473059
i need a tag better than a stupid :^) face
>everyone is laggy online
>can't play offline
what do
>>128473560
get good
>>128473296
>the file size
>>128473560
get better internet or friends
>>128472886
Once you git gud and have results people learn how to pronounce your name, even if it is VxID. Some people used to call ANTi "ant-ee"
If you really want a new name you can follow similar reasoning that led you to pick Void and find something new, or if Void has to stay in, use that reasoning to find something additional to add to it.
>>128471769
gotcha. I'm too savage for Shulk, should learn how good my range is
>>128474041
I'm just gonna go with
TSFKAV.
The Smasher Formally Known as Void.
>>128474302once you beat VoiD in a money match you have to switch names
/ssbg/ is my husbando
>>128474430turning the tag into a trophy that ANY ONE can try for
I like it.
>>128463039
ROB
Kirby
Ike, Mario, Lil Mac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtaJNbW4ET4
>>128474302
perfect
Any 3DS anons up for some doubles?
FC 4184-2976-0132
So now that we all agree that Ryu is op as shit, when will Nintendo release a patch for it?
>>128475887
fuck off already axel
>>128472323
While learning, I would say that you should try and use retreating forward air out of your float instead of down air until you truly know what you're doing and even more importantly, what you're up against.
Also your up B beats out Bowser's down B, just info.
>>128476025
>>128475887
>Shoryuken is literally little mac's charged k.o b and you can spam it as you please
>has a move that freezes you for some time
Just kill this character already.
>>128476129
axel pls
>>128473272
Doesn't matter how he feels about it. You literally would have the same name, which makes it hard for people to find/watch your matches, hard for commentators to pull up useful stats, and hard for organizers to put you both in bracket. Imagine if your name was Jake, and there was another Jake in your class, and neither of you have a last name. Every time Jake is said, everyone has to think about which Jake anyone is talking about.
>>128473474
And I said 'Talk to /v/.' How are you so good at Smash and so bad at following directions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDfOFyXGgJU
>>128475740
i'd play 3ds dubs, on the off chance we can get 2 moreand it doesn't play at 10 fps
>>128476384
This is actually a very valid point.
I'd have to spell it different or add something, you're absolutely right. Damn.
>>128476593
That's fine. Worst case I'll have an earlier night than planned. Two more for 3ds Dubs needed.
FC is 4184-2976-0132
>>128476593
Im down for a dubs session
>>128476904
Nice! One more needed for 3DS doubles. Add >>128476893
>>128476904
>>128476593
I've opened up a room, we can do some FFA in the mean time. My bad Swat, accidentally hit B.
>>128477062
>>128476904
>>128476593
On my way. Apologies in advance for disconnects.
>>128476631
Best of luck
>>128463039
MK
Olimar, Fox
The random button
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZAHk0g-Nfk
>0 kills
But the Monado;_;
>>128477858
fug i missed 3ds dubs.
well im here if anybody leaves
FG little mac players make me laugh
>>128477858
DQ do I appear online from your end? I may have accidentally removed you after I cleared out a few friendcodes.
im posting for glory webms and nobody can stop me
>>128479018
I'll find out eventually
dubs or 1v1? nnid ELmang0h
>>128470478
I don't really use his fAir or bAir nearly enough. Love his nAir, although I whiff with that shit a lot.
It might just be the playstyle between friends, but I honestly never get an opportunity to hit with dTilt. Its really hard to hit with...
I need to start trying to play online. Never bothered yet but I feel like I need to expand my experience.
If I can handle the lag, hoogh.
Why did Blintendo make this god damn console wifi-only?
Its silly as hell that you need a usb-to-ethernet dongle for wired connection.
this isnt for glory, just some friendlies
>>128478174
>Cyclops
I'm very confused. There's no JEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN in Kirby.
>>128479102
>Dedede players
Why isn't Greninja viable anymore?
Also, am I just shit or is there anything specific you have to do for MK's uair combo?
I can't land it for shit
>Le f-smash dragon
>>128478705
he used his double jump, got hit with the gyro and probably was mashing jump before trying to up+b
>>128480016
>le kill you in 3 hits man
>>128480052
>>128480113
>anymore
Greninja was never viable.
>>128480249
>whatever did that 7%
>upB
>downB
ganon truly is le kill you in 3 hits man
>>128480173
it's the panchito school of dubs-fu
>>128480113
MK's full U-air staircase only works at a certain % range on each character. Just make sure you're jumping as soon as possible after each U-air, and the next U-air should happen while still rising from your last multi-jump.
Basically, just do it really fast, like a link combo in SF.
Greninja is mostly fine except that he has a 35:65 versus Sheik.
>>128480113
Greninja got nerfed forever ago and never fully recovered. Plus people figured him out.
His best aerial is frame 12 and very low range. His standing/shield grab is frame 14 which is ridiculous for non-tether. He can start combos from his up and down tilt but neither are safe on block and up tilt cancels momentum from perfect pivots and sliding pivots. His projectile still has like 20 frames of startup and noticeable cooldown. Greninja's got few good approach options, no good defensive options, mediocre zoning, etc.
You up air, jump up air, rinse and repeat. Follow DI.
>>128480683
>>128480173join the 3DS Tourney
>tfw the episode where swatkat gets so high that he forgets to start the round
>play a couple games with the same player
>I'm clearly better than him, but I have to make an effort
>he manages to beat my cloud the first time, not the second
>switch to megaman, he to dorf
>he taunts me after I fuck up and SD early on
>still barely manages to win as I get him to ~90% on his second stock
>oh it's on
>switch to Ike
>proceed to 2-stock him 3 times in a row, and 0% stock him once
>even as he switches to range-spam mode
>taunt every. single. kill.
>before quitting, I have over 20 KOs to his barely 10
how do I git gud with cloud? his attacks are all so wonky, rangewise.
>>128481768
>wanting to play as cloud
>struggling to play as cloud
Cloud is pretty much sword mario, just mash your dick on the controller and you'll win
>>128481892
turn rumble off tho
>>128481468_______no________
>>128481892
well yes, but that's winning with him. I want to git gud with him.
>>128481976why lad?, you used To enter before
Is this accurate?
>>128482252
Diddy is at least BL, but otherwise it's pretty good.
>>128482131
i just don't really have fun with wifi tournaments anymore. plus, half the fun of tournaments is gauging yourself against other people. i already know where i stand with 99% of /ssbg/
>>128482252
I was typing out every problem but I got bored. No. Fuck off.
>>128482456
I forgot about him.
>>128482252
Put Diddy, Lucas, andKirbyin borderline. I could argue for Ike and Toon Link too but eh.
>>128482684
It means "viable" as in actually viable. Not "if you work hard enough then your shit character has potential!" viable. It means any of those characters at the top have a serious, realistic chance of winning MLG or Apex. Now think about that and try again.
>>128482462
So, You're a Chicken?
>>128482884
I am well aware of that and it's still shit.
>>128482252
Other than Diddy.Pit/Dark Pit should be bump up to BL imo.
>>128482930n-n-n-n-n-o-o-o b-b-b-b-bod-d-d-dy c-c-c-c-calls me c-c-c--cc--c-c-c-c--c-cc-f-0gdfgh-df-gdfg
>>128482252
>tfw went from best in the game to not viable
>>128482252
Falcon should not be above Borderline.
Lucas, Diddy, and Pacman should be moved to Borderline.
>Pikachu in optimal
#memes
>>128483441
Nah, diddy is at least BL. I forgot about him, too many characters.
since everyone is posting tierlists, ill do mine
>>128483579
>>#memes
>amazing frame data
>long combos
>strong neutral game
>nearly ungimpable
>many kill options and setups
Pikachu is S tier, and there are valid reasons that many top players at least used to consider him the best in the game.
Is it that time?
While at work, your monado gives you a vision (tm) and you win the powerball, becoming an instant billionaire. What do you do with the money?
>>128484556
add wavecheating to 5mash
>>128484090
If I wanted "no bullshit" I'd play literally any other game, I play Sm4sh for the projectile nonsense, so I put Robin, DHD, Pac-Man and Mega Man as most fun.
