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Mid rush on TwoBros Edition

Patch Notes:
http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/cbt/patch-alert-052/
http://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/announcements/ver-0521-patchnotes/

Stat tracker/Stalk your favorite wowsg
http://warshipstats.com/
http://warships.today

>Useful Information:
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>In-game chat channel
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>>128127420
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this is a fun and exciting mechanic and should remain in the game completely unchanged because of how enjoyable and fair it is
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Ducky pride World wide

hope thread works now
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My first ever Witherer award.

>70,000 fire damage

There was a very upset Nagato on the enemy team that match.
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>>128322070
Obligatory git gud

Shit flinging aside, it's an incredibly easy thing to fix. The odds of having your turret knocked out permanently should be lower the fewer turrets you have - so the Ognevoi would start a match with a far lower chance for turrets to break than, say, the Aurora. But the percentage should also change dynamically throughout the match.
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>>128322070
>all guns ded
>in a soviet or USN DD
It's the most fun you will ever have. Being a floating torpedo is awesome.
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>>128322270
>floating torpedo
Don't you mean guided torpedo, or living torpedo? There are plenty of torpedo variants that float.
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:^)
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>>128322070
I find the ability to lose an entire turret permanently a pretty interesting gameplay mechanic. It forces players to think carefully about maintaining their course under fire, and seriously punishes captains who get their T crossed and take concentrated fire on their front and rear.
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>>128322438
You can't trick me again. Pls carry me!
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>WG will never spend their jewcoins to make something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-39Mguh1k
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>>128322885
someone post that image of WG sponsoring some anime
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Boy I love late night ranked!
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>>128322764
It's a team game. One person can't carry a Random Game, much less a DD unless it's Standard mode, but it's not fun.
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>>128322885
But WG did make a series of live-action short films for World of Tanks a few years ago. I forgot what it was called so I can't give you the youtube link, but it was on the FTR blog back when SilentStalker wasn't hired by Armored Warfare devs.
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>>128322160
I want to bring Akiducky and Teruducky to a fancy restaurant, order a bunch of delicious food, and not let them eat any. At the end of the meal, I will have the waiter clear all the leftovers and throw them out.

When they come back to their barracks, there will be a single can of sardines and two bowls of steamed barley for the two of them.
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>>128323101
Easiest game but that kiev was so fucking useless and now he's on my team AGAIN
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>just play DDs it'll be fun
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>>128324108
But it is fun. Kinda.

Wish this turret destruction mechanism would fuck off though.
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>there are people ITT whose K/D ratio on some ships is less than 1
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>>128324389
so far I've played 3 games in my russian DDs
1 of them I had half of my turrets knocked out
1 I had all of my turrets knocked out
the third I got detonated by the 2nd hit I took
I just want to die
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>>128324545
>.92 KD with the Farragut for me

IT WAS PRE BUFF

4.5KM TORPS REEEEEEE
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Fucking 1 star away from ranked 13 and then I lost both my fucking STARS.
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>>128324576
Getting your turrets KOed is a recurring thing in these boats.

What really pisses me off, though, is when you get into a knifefight with another DD, get your steering/engine knocked out, repair, and then get your steering/engine knocked out again. For the next 1:30 you're a sitting duck, and as good as dead.
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>>128323435
this makes no sense fuck you
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>>128324776
Is of balance. :^)
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>>128324776
from my experience tonight so is getting detonated
>the existence of ammunition detonations in this game adds a needed element of tension and excitement into the game.
kill me
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Mikhail cruschev looks pretty good actually. That thing is going to be the ultimate gunboat especially with its smoke

If I were a Russian fanboy or had more disposable income I'd buy one for sure
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Holy fucking shit I'm back to rank 15 just kill me.
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>>128325492
Ranked is really hard this season

Everybody figured out that DDs are the way to go and that cruisers are shit so now I have to actually try to win matches now

Not really worth the butthurt imo, I'd consider it if I could at least div with someone from here
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It's hard because all the DDs on my team don't realise they need to cap and spot and instead just shoot cruisers and die.
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EU playyer here. Is rank 10 populated enough to get matches without waiting 15 minutes yet?
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>>128323057
I don't have a picture, but I was in Akihabara recently and passed a gaming cafe with a big Girls und Panzer/Arpeggio sign outside full of computers running WoWS.

They also had an Oculus Rift demonstrator, but I didn't try it because I didn't want Facebook to upload my thoughts.
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2 Torps into the mahan and he didnt die?
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>>128327139
how the fuck would Oculus Rift work in WoWS?
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>>128327343
destroyers HP is separated into sections so if you hit the bow with two torps sometimes the second one won't do damage. Probs what happened here
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>>128324776
I'm seriously considering ignoring the T5 stealth skill, and instead getting the one that lets you use your damaged engine/rudder on top of advanced fire training.

After all, I'm not gonna be sneaking around anyone with a soviet DD. And even with the skill any other DDs will detect me before I detect them anyway, so might as well make sure I'm not completely fucked over by RNG during a dogfight.

What does /wowsg/ thinks?
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>>128325702
Even worse, people still think IJN DD's are good for ranked, so it's not rare to have an all-benson team against a team with half fubukis, which of course ends up in all the buckys slaughtered.
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>>128327360
You turn the ships into ship girls, and the oculus rift allows you to get blowjebs from them.
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>>128327650
It really comes down to personal preference anon. In my opinion, with the fire chance nerf - I'm gonna take Demo Expert. If you find yourself with a knocked out engine often, and are dying because of it - go with Last Stand.
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>>128327875
day 1 buy
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>aim assist site is ded
w-why ;_;
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>>128327875
>spend doubloons to have sex with your botes

GOTY
O
T
Y
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>me in my Nagato+Fletcher+Mahan+2 Myokos go left
>see NC+3xColorado+the rest of the lemmings
>retarded Myoko dies and bitches at how I'm "out of position" for being "too far" aka retreating with group while trying to avoid dying against 3BBs

Look at this:
http://warships.today/player/1000604412/na/Jknbox

Why do these fucks run their mouths when they're absolute shit? Do they realize people can't look them up and see how shit they are?

Who the bloody fuck averages 25k in a Fuso or NM? He's not good in any specific type of ship.
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>they get a Yamato and some T8s
>we get an Izumo and some T8s
thanks WG
I didn't want to get a win anyway
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>just one more game till I never have to touch tier 5-6 ranked again
>mfw
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there is no one cuter than a tree
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Dear Australian
Please stop AFK in game
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>>128329516
mfw I lose
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>>128329516
See you next season
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>>128330527
ok
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>Be a corner camping cruiser
>Enemy BB come around the corner and about to finish me
>Friendly Fubuki smoke me
>Predator becomes prey
DD confirmed for Jesus
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posting QTree'est
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First for Trump
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>New shell in wows
>Still flashing like the sun
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>>128332594
Senator Armstrong IRL
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I didn't get tier 5 concealment on Mogami ;-;
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>>128332594
based way to eat pizza
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>>128329516
>got to tier 7 last season
>started at like rank 15 or some shit
>won 2 games and got into the 7-8 bracket

cmon step it up
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>>128333425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvp-XMqnh-g
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>you will never fly this signal
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>>128333857
DUTY
U
T
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>>128333857
>tfw you can fly this signal
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>>128333504
ranked didn't interest me and then I saw the silver rewards.

Kitakami-san would be nice too.
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>>128334375
but that's literally just for telling the current time, Japan just doesn't know what signals mean
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hull or range upgrade first on the Kiev?
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>>128333636
KEKKING

>actually you're only entitled to half

The absolute MADMAN
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>>128334562
hull
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>tfw doing something that probably ended up losing the game but got you two DD kills for the mission
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>got burnt out as fuck
>went back to warframe

h-help me bros you guys are so less autistic than /wfg/
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>>128334995
have you tried playing tier 1?
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>played hundreds of games, gotten to T10, and played a bunch since the last patch
>never seen the Atlantic map
>suddenly I'm getting it 3 times in a row
what the fuck how long has this even been in the game
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>finally get ARP KONGO
>anime voice at start
>literally start giggling like a little girl
Why isnt this a real option? I want more of this
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>>128335596

1.) go into game files
2.) go to sound folder
3.) open ARP folder
4.) find voice files
5.) take those files and use the to replace rgular voice files

enjoy your anime boats anon
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>>128335596
Mod them in you dumb cuck
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Late night matches are essentially World of Cleveland, since everyone's trying to do missions.
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>tfw cant sell ARP kongo
fuuuuuuuck
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>>128336441
WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF FUCKING NORMIE REEEEEEEEEE
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>>128336545
the cute anime voice was fun and all but unless I get extra credits, whats the point though
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>>128336630
You can sell the normal Kongo.
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>>128336696
>still owning the normal Kongo
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>>128336906
>not owning a Kongo
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>>128336696
haha I dont even own the kongo...
>still at myogi
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>>128336441
Mod it to look like the normal Kongo. ;^)
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>>128337007
>not owning an anime Kongou
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>>128337007
>had a choice between selling my Kongo or selling my Nagato to buy my Hotel
easiest choice of my life
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>>128337212
kongo sucks anyway

fuso is what real niggas play
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>>128337324
>fusou
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Is there any point in picking AFT for 'merican cruisers?
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>>128337708
>Playing USN cruisers.
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>>128337832
>tfw US cruisers were pretty good in CBT and now they're a meme
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>>128337986
>mfw
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>>128337708
Cleveland maybe...just for monster AA
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>>128338272
>Cleveland
I won't keep it, hence the problem.
Demo Expert seems to be more of an IJN thing though.
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Are they ever going to bring over best girls?
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>>128338380
>Not keeping the only thing that makes the USN CA line decent.
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>you can extend the notifications panel by dragging the top edge

Holy fuck, I did not know that.
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>>128338524
st. cuck is pretty good
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>>128338594
also can you guys stop shitposting and come make america great again?
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>>128338524
I don't keep any ships that are a part of the progression.
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>>128338882
>Progression
>Not keeping qt3.14 boats.
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>>128339021
>shitting up the hangar with boats you don't have a reason to play
yeah nah
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>>128338882
I'd say try and get one boat you really like for each tier so you can div with people whenever.
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>>128338734
ive asked you to play before trump poster but you never responded

its too late im burned out i'm only here for the memes now
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>>128339162
>reason to play
>fun
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Can our fleet name be [TRUMP]?
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>>128339306
I have that book! That's the ship girl catalogue!

I preordered it from Amiami the day it was announced, it's pretty neat.
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>>128339371
"Fun" is in the progression.
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What should I use for my 1/2mil upgrades for the mikhail?
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>>128339574
KanColle is now officially related.
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>>128338524
>Cleveland
>decent
Is that really the high point of that line? I've started to hate it.
That damn shell flight time really kills that ship, and range too. It really need to go under 8 km to reliably delete someone with AP. I would not go into long range artillery duel even against tier 5 German or Murmansk with it.
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>>128339536
What else would it be named?
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>>128339856
Baltimore and Des Moines are the same.
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>>128339856
Well I don't have personal experience, but from playing other lines I can say that USN CAs are literally the LEAST scary boats.
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>>128339306
>>128339574
Pic related, here it is.

It's a good book, for those of you who are interested in it, you should definitely get it. It's not that expensive either (assuming they're still in stock, haven't checked). Mine was a first-print preorder.
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>>128339172
What's good for 8, 9, and 10, then?
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>>128340035
Well if we had enough anons we could make 2 fleets and one would be [BUILD] and the second would be [WALL]
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>>128340264
Hotel is literally the qtest.

>>128340390
Lots of good boats at 8, 9 I'm gonna go with Iowa, 10 Hotel.
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>>128340764
My man.
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>>128340773
>13:31:55
Let me guess, you're from the US East Coast?

It's almost 6AM. I should go to bed now.
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>>128339172
Damn Mari is cute without her glasses.
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>3 games in a row our CV is the first player to die
how
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>>128341157
>le
Yes
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>>128341491
>2 warships clients

Don't tell me you're a cyпepтecтep?
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>>128341491
>people still play planetside 2
>2016
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>>128341732
nyet, one is the actually game and the other is just pinned to the taskbar.
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>>128341872
>not being almost universally hated by a PS2 server.
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>>128340264
>>128341157
>>128341491
I miss the days of funny tabs
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>>128342320
I miss 2015 4chan as well. Unfortunately it's now 2016, and we need to find new ways to amuse ourselves.
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>>128340773
thats not a hotel
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>>128342320
Is reddit funny?
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>tfw you 1v3 a bunch of DDs in the polen bote and kill them all within a 25 second span
>get a total of 4 DDs for the mission in the one game
god bless you poland
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>>128342870
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>>128342940
>muffled "MUH CLAY" in the distance
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>Marcus Schill
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>>128343108
> THE 8492ND SQUADRON DOESN'T EXIST!
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>get my fancy new Kiev
>first match has 5 Jap DDs on the enemy team at T7 or below
>detonated by the 2nd hit I take and it uses up my 1.5x
okay well thats the end of warships for me today
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Why make the ARP quest such boring grind?

Why not just let players enable the alternative graphics and voices?
Or at least make it more interesting than "burn this # times, shoot planes down # times."

It's making the game unnecessarily un-fun until you reach the goal.
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>>128344834
>Not sacrificing your happiness for your qt boat waifu
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>>128345665
But they are not even CancerKolles, but some obsolete 3D-anime shit with ugly designs.
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>>128345665
>not already having had your shipfu for ages already
?
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>>128345908
>Questioning my dedication to my shipfu
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>>128341186
>sitting behind an island at 0 speed is a great plan. Who needs to dodge enemy TBs?
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>>128346258
Nice forest.
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>>128345872
>3D is obsolete
>Not underdeveloped
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>>128346471
>Not playing with trees off for better visibility and mountain snapshots
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What is your preferred music to listen to when boating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mt2tqZwNuw
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>>128348460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwDHY_M_jFc
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>>128348460
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Doh doh kay, doh doh kay

doh doh kay duh doh doh kay
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>>128348460
I switch between https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqAvvwu0kMU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a33iI6xfld0
apparently the game actually has a decent soundtrack but I've never actually listened to it at all
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>>128349108
>ODST
>So comfy
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Who has the fastest moving shells, anyway?
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>>128348460
The game's OST of course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvBi6t1HfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9-bH9OGbbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALQEjvf7K9E
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>>128349283
Funnily enough it's basically all I listened to the whole time I was powered through the grind from my Nagato to my Yamato
Probably my best time with the game so far
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>>128350546
Hotel is so freakin' cute
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>>128349964
E-25
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>>128350657
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>>128350710
I miss WoT

I miss my Super Pershing
I miss my Tiger II
I miss my Tiger
I miss my E-100
I miss my E-25
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>Fighters can't run away when someone else locks onto them

If only CV weren't dead and I could shoot down lots of planes in the Aoba
Seriously, fuck the langley
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>>128352701
go eat you scrub ))))
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>>128350323
Annnnd this is why I have the game music turned off
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does trump poster even play the game
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>1) Which branch will come as first in the British tech tree?
>1) Cruiser branch;

>2) When we can expect the WoT/WoWs accounts unification?
>2) In 2016, most likely in the first half;

>9) When clans will come?
>9) In 2016;

>17) are there any ships or classes that are under or over performing currently at their given tiers? and if so how do you plan to fix them?
>17) There are no huge imbalances, but we are working on balancing;

>19) Will we get a new branch in Q1 2016?
>19) The first British branch will come in Q1 or Q2;

>http://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/01/12/wows-tap-qa-ii-answered-questions/
>Brits get cruisers instead of shiny BBs
>ded

>Wot account unification
>not likely happen anytime SOON

>Calling there are no huge imbalance
>this
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>>128353467
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>>128353467
implying there's a single poster
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>>128353561
if anime is made real will we have to deal with filler episodes wtill?
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>>128354195
nah all you'll have to deal with is waifus
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>>128326259
I'm at rank 12, and I get matches fast enough
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Do you have to get tier 9-10 ships to play highest ranks of rankeD?
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>>128355465
no it caps out at 8
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>>128355669
NIce, thanks.
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>>128355465
Each rank tells you which tiers are allowed. So you can easily just look yourself.

The answer is no, though.
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>>128354195
No.
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>>128356097
>Fuck
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>>128356326
>that moetel on his head

toplel
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>>128356326
Takao is 10/10
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>>128356667
She's the best tsundere heavy cruiser.
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>>128352857
And that's why you are such a faggot.
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>>128357283
>little did anon know that in fact, he was the huge cock sniffing faggot
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>>128342940
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>>128357686
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>>128341732
everybody and their mother have the wows open test client, a real cyпepтecтep should have 3 game clients :^)
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>>128353485
>Brits get cruisers instead of shiny BBs
well then Brits should have had some proper paper BBs that could fit into T10
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>Jap destroyers are bad
when will this meme end?
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>>128358946
they aren't bad they're just bad at knifefighting

if a burger or vodka DD rolls into the cap you're on your only option is to shoot torpedos and run away
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>>128358946
>1337Destroyer69
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>>128358946
>>128359440
they are though.

hitting torpedoes is too reliant on the enemy being retarded until you can literal wall of torps as the speeddslut.
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>>128359741
it's supposed to be ironic.
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>>128359853
Where are your over-the-top alternating X's, then?

Right now you're literally just ironic shitposting tier.
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>>128358946
>1337destroyer69
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>>128359752
But hitting unsuspecting BBs w/ torps is so satisfying. I don't care what you guys think. Jap DDs are really fun, you guys just don't get it
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>Jingles/QB/Riita(?) goes to WG HQ
>Angerfish Team postcard
>Hotel (Kancolle version) artbook
Wargaming pls

Interesting talk, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J0Rk_X2E20
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>>128334426
At Closed Beta Kitakami was tier 8 ship which most beater considered op, 5x5 torpedo placement in each ports, but nevertheless BBs and CVs can kill her, my personal experience with playing with or against Kitakami was exciting, defeat her was easy to hard, the only way to defeat her was to outrange with artillery of Cruiser or Battleship. Otherwise you'll get "Super Kitakami-sama dayo".

She's Dangerous.
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>>128358946
I'm sensing True Kai Ni.
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>>128353485
Source?
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>>128358946
>3.8K xp
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>>128350323
I'm a total dubstep pleb. It's my guilty pleasure. I've been looking for OST 128 for weeks, but I've never found out what it was called until today. Thanks for the link, you've made me a happy shitter.
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How do I win in ranked? I keep getting potato teams that refuse to spot or push, i've been stuck at rank 15 for fucking ever.
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>>128364754
15-12-14
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>>128363979
http://thearmoredpatrol.com/
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>>128337212
I know right?
I sold Nagato. Kept Kongou, Fusou and Amagi.
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>>128364754
general xp means crap, it depends on the win bonus, premium, flags etc, if you want to brag post base xp

did you even hit 3k with mutsuki
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>>128338248
bucky looks tired
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>>128333857
his or her, you bigot

triggered!
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how can i fuck a bote?
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>>128368129
it's_a_secret_place.txt
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i want to get off kawachi-san's wild ride
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There is a disgustingly low amount of good ARP doujins, just as disgustingly low as the actual amount of fires set by my Aoba with Demolition Expert today. 20% my ass, I can easily set shit on fire twice as much on the Cleveland.
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>>128365804
ty!
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>>128368709
Free xp it nigs
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>>128369989
i wish, not going to pay money for free xp though.
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>>128370285
Don't gotta, just play cool ships
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Hotel: Literally, the QTest.
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>>128363051
>Kancolle
>small c
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>>128368129
Penetrate her citadel, anon
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>>128334995
>we're less autistic than someone

shit we need to step it up
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Whats the best IJN cruiser? Obviously having in account the opposition that you find in the specific tier.
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>>128370285
it's much better and cheaper to buy premium

also skip her playing her coop only, tier 3 is nothing
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>>128376761
Myoko.
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>>128376761
who approaches new mexico from the east?
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>>128376761
Zao
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>>128368787
There is a disgustingly low amount of good ARP anything, especially the show.
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>>128376993
she is myoukou, anon
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>>128376761
Toss-up between Myoukou and Aoba
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>>128377181
you are autism
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>tfw you will never be a true mama bote
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>>128378129
Give me more breastfeeding pictures!
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>NA
>Almost primetime
>Div with a Midway
>Queue time is already 8 minutes
>No CVs spotted yet
nice
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>>128376901
tried co-op, got 500xp even with the 1.5x win and the free day of premium from leveling up, i get more for practically afking in a random battle
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>>128378637
Who's the CVnt?
Time to name and shame, senpai
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Anyone have any guesses what kind of characteristics we could expect from British cruisers?
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>>128380048
coal shoveling orphans on the deck to set on fire with your HE
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>>128380101

casablanca <3

>The boy stood on the burning deck
>Whence all but he had fled...

>>128380048

captains with poor teeth
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>>128380048
They were tanky in Navyfield, but this aint navyfield.

As long as I can have a nelson I dont give a fuck.
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Why do they put all these boring and shitty ships at the start? #1 way to make people not want to play
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>>128380437
A-actually statistically speaking the average Britbong today has healthier teeth than the average Americuck thanks to a better health care system.
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>>128380529
you do realize they're adding cruisers first, and not battleships?
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>>128380669
Maybe if youre a filthy casual cuck that cant grind for their shipfu.
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>>128380669
implying they want more babbies
the beginning cruisers are fun as fuck

>>128380724

i just google 'poor teeth', one of the first links was about the british dental care
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>>128380048
>shell velocity worse than Cleveland 6" guns
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>>128380937
I honestly can't find any candidates for tier 8-10. They're either gonna have to find some super secret classified napkins or buff the everloving shit out of their CAs
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>there aren't people in the botes
it's shit
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>>128381369
blame Russian/Europoor toaster PCs

the less detail, the better (:
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>>128381369
when i play, i identify myself with my bote and i ain't need any men on my deck :^)

>>128381434
actually they don't want to increase the game age rating
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>>128381434
It's actually Russian laziness. If they had people on them they'd have to have two clients because Germany wouldn't allow it.

Also they'd have to actually animate stuff like people manning AA and repair parties running around which would be effort.

Better to pretend they're all just radio controlled botes playing robot wars
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>>128380937
Cleveland's guns have a very high shell velocity though.

The shells dont have much mass though so they lose speed fast.
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>>128382403
Er sorry, the HE has high speed, but the AP is pretty slow.
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Just hit rank 12 and to my surprise it's irrevocable.

What are all the irrevocable ranks? I was expecting 10 to be irrevocable but clearly that isnt the case.
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>>128373161

Lolihotel is cutest.
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>>128382912
Go to profile.

Ranked.

Look at the ranks.

Irrevocable ranks will be labeled as such.
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>>128382991
all sluts tbqhfam
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>>128382991
>Motel
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>be America
>actually follow the treaty to the letter
>still manage to produce better ships than all of the other countries that followed it, and the ones that didn't
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