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>News
New Dangan Ronpa V3 is scheduled to be released in 2016 on PSVita and PS4.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfMqURJ3ZfE
Dangan Ronpa 3 will be a new anime scheduled for release in 2016.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9AQjGxQGdw
Interviews with Danganronpa Writer and Creator Kazutaka Kodaka
http://nichegamer.com/2015/03/danganronpa-interview-with-writer-and-creator-kazutaka-kodaka/
https://archive.today/4MSAe
Some new info about DR3/DRV3
http://gematsu.com/2015/12/new-danganronpa-v3-scrum-panic-debates
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>Downloads/Manga/Novels/Character Charts (ded character chart links, send help)
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>>128236852
first for chiaki
>>128237158
>he saved the thumbnail
despair
>>128237158
>>128237271
But is it a real Chiakifag or just a pretender? We'll never know
>>128237530real chiakifag
>>128236852
What are the odds of him being chuuni as fuck? I'm saying 80% since he's apparently not really a cyborg.
Last night I dreamed my waifu had done awful things in the name of despair. I was not her ally so she would probably have killed me too except that I was saved by Peko of all people. Peko had her sword and tried to kill my waifu, except I still loved her and couldn't let her die so I took the sword thrust in her place. It hurt and I felt like Peko was calling me a traitor with her eyes, yet knowing my death had saved her made me so happy. So I died and woke up but the happiness drained immediately and was replaced with sudden anxiety. It was the feeling of waking up from a nightmare, except I had awoken into one instead.
>dr3 will be one of the last games you'll ever play
Let's hope it'll be a good one.
>>128239047
Where was it said he's not a cyborg?
>>128239458
Why?
>>128240030
Most recent interview I think.
>>128240274
Oh I didn't see that. If that's the case, should be pretty interesting to see how they handle Raiden
>>128241728
Celeste, Gundam, Raiden. Chuuni well represented in this series.
Posting first with best boyand his bitches
>>128242716
Is it bad that I ship Raiden off with Celeste in my fucked up non canon world?
He looks like he'd be the perfect butler
>>128243850
>missing Junko
With all they've been through, I wouldn't be surprised it she jacks off to recordings of Naegi's speeches
>>128244404
A bit but only because he doesn't have the vampire thing going. I always cross-shipped Celeste with Gundam because not only would their chuuni play off each others and he could pull off the vampire look, but also because he seems like he would be a fit butler and vet for her cat. Her cat and his hamsters together in general would be fantastic.
>>128244878
True you have a point. Gundham would work pretty well on serving Celeste if he wasn't already serving Sonia
We need more butlers for Celeste
>>128245480
>>128244825
I could see it now on Makoto's resume
>fucked the girl who fucked ovet the rest of the world with her manipulation as the Ultimate Fashionesta/Analyst
>fucked the girl who probably sent away a lot of murderers through deduction as the Ultimate Detective
>fucked the girl who's the sister of the mastermind and also probably killed a lot of people in the jungle as the Ultimate Soldier
>fucked the girl who everyone and their mothers and grandmothers wanted to getake inside her pants as the Ultimate Pop Sensation
And people are saying Makoto shouldn't die in DR3?
>>128245686
But they suck
>>128245480
Not if you imagine Toko falling in love with Sonia for similar reasons as she fell for Togami, and Sonia accepting her simply out of fascination for Genocider. But then Genocider has zero interest in Sonia, but Sonia has a shota brother who Genocider goes after constantly.
Headcanon. What a wonderful thing.
>>128245686
>vampire Ishimaru
Be still, my stirring manhood!
>Reserve Zero escape 3 especial edition in Gamestop
>Gamestop is leaving the island in march
i have no luck i really wanted the clock
>>128246720
>Genocider/Sonia
This is probably the hottest thing that's ever come out of this fanbase
>>128246720
>Toko falling in love with Sonia
disgusting
lel
>>128247865
>Togami/Toko/Ibuki/Twogami love square confirmed for DR3
>>128248275
>best girls fighting over best boy
Figures
>>128248727
Would you let Togami cuck you with your waifu?
>>128248924
Best boy only deseves the best. So Ibuki and Toko will have to do
I want to hate-fuck Monaca.
>>128249415
Which is your waifu or do you waifu one girl from each game?
>>128247865
God, Ibuki love-struck is more adorable than usual.
>>128249659
I waifu Toko and Ibuki. And Hiyoko and Celestia.
And I'd offer every single one of then up for Lord Togami
>>128249857
>Togamicucks
>>128247865
Best girl looking fabulous as usual. Too bad it's because she crushing on Togamiwhich means she only digged Twogami in DR2 only because he was basically ripping out Togami's entire character and identity.
I need beast Monokuma plushie.
>>128249857
>4 waifus
You're not living your laifu correctly
>>128250502
Cuz she's a slut. Worst girl at her finest
Stay salty Ibukifagsbait
>>128249857
>4 waifus
>Cuck
>>128249857
>4 waifu
Anon how do you even function
>>128249857
>Toko x Ibuki
Interesting. Absolute opposites in many ways.
>>128252339
>with their only similarity being their lust for Togami
>and both are crazy
What archetypes would you like to see in DRV3?
I want a reverse Hiyoko, extremely polite and nice to everyone but talks utter shit behind their backs during FTEs.
>>128252830
>Ibuki
>lust for Togami
This is an abstract kind of bait but good on you if it works.
>>128252909
I want a rugby player who's like a complete asshole to everyone and can be manipulative as well
>>128253170
>Ibuki digged Twogami
>Mainly because he stole Togami's identity
>Ibuki pretty much digged the image of Togami
Cmon anon it's not rocket science
I expect the girl we've already seen to be ultimate pianist.
>>128252909
Just a true edgelord who insults everyone when the die. Bad end is you getting the option to kill him in such a way no one could know it was you.
>>128252909
We need like a super nerdy girl with glasses. Surprised we haven't gotten once yet
>>128252909
A girl who doesn't suck
>>128253649
They threw the first dart and it landed on fujoshit with Toko. The second dart landed on infinite perfect with Chiaki. They'll eventually get a true nerd girl right.
>>128253367
>has 4 waifus
>literal cuckhold
>making shit up to start drama, likely including the previous 2 points
You're a thousand years too early to be trying to bait me, nii-chan.
>>128252909
Well executed Yandere for the MC please. Always the murder suspect, maybe once the murderer.
>>128254056
>infinite perfect like Toko
>waifushit like Chiaki
I agree. We just need the perfect nerdy girl for V3 with glasses and all
>>128252909
black guy
>>128254170
>making shit up
>actually played the game
You wot m8. I didn't make anything up. I just played the game and what we saw of Ibuki's interactions with Twogami proved everything
Accept it Ibukifag. Your waifu slut digs rich assholes with a dominant personality
>>128254549
I now have a sinking suspicion that the midget is going to be black
original res chaki
The last part of Dangan Ronpa Togami, the first novel in the series has been summarized.
http://jinjojess.tumblr.com/post/137095388543/here-it-is-folks-my-final-summary-for-dr-togami
It's a doozy.Togami now has a confirmed canon sister. Souda and Sonia make more appearances and we see the appearance of the Ultimate Hitman that Peko was so wary about.
>>128257915
So where does this rank on the canonical scale?
>>128257915“I’m Despair High School Level Princess, Sonia Nevermind!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Mechanic, Souda Kazuichi!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Brother Complex, Kagami Sana!”
“I’m Despair High School Level Dual Personality, Kagami Naomi!”
Alrighty then
>>128257915
>those 2 filler SHSLs
Why though?
Also, despair Sonia is best Sonia.
>>128257915
Now I really want to see what Twogami's true identity is like
>>128258747
Pretty high if anything. It doesn't really contradict anything in the games besides that Twogami bit with him appearing in his pre despair self already impersonating Togami.
...and even with that you could easily just speculate that he was already working on impersonating Togami during his time at the school for whatever reason
>>128257915
Alright so the Despairs we've seen so far are similar to Junko in personality (with the exception of Izuru) and by that I mean they cycling through the various personalities like sarcastic, really hyper and obscene. I wonder if they're all that way when in despair mode?
>>128249598
agreed anon
>make a book finally featuring the despair students
>make 3 of them the primary antagonists of the book
>still no pictures
>>128260746
There were no illustrations for DR:T except for the cover jacket.
The SDR2's casts' despair selves will probably be revealed in 3, Anon.
>>128261487
That or for some faggy japanese reason he will not show them off period because it would be too hard.
>>128253983
That's a shame. Bet Ibuki would suck really well.http://g.e-hentai.org/g/753221/976ae43169/
>>128260746
From what I'm gathering this is still pretty early on in the timeline. Hope's Peak is still standing, Junko is still buddy buddy with DR1 cast, etc. So I doubt they actually look that much different.
>>128261950
Idk. They did say something about the school going through some crisis or at least that's what Toko and Junko said so I'd like to believe this takes place at the very beginning of the 78th class' second year at Hope's Peak, which is where the world would start going to shit around that time
>>128251795Fucking loser.
>>128261891
Thanks anon
>>128262403
The crisis is just the backlash to Imposter's declaration. It's certainly close to the worst event yadda yadda, but I doubt the despairs were marking themselves up for Junko while still attending class.
Mukuro is best girl
>>128262808
So maybe it was during their transition to the second year because the Despair kids are already showing big signs of Junko influence already. But now they're taking action hence Twogami's declaration of world conquest and Sonia using her army to off the Togami conglomerate.
Atleast to me that's where I believe it would place on the timeline
>>128257915
I can't wait until Kodak Moment himself confirms this trash to not be canon and then still not say anything about the kids during Despair.
>>128260484
I could see Akane like that. Same with Hiyoko, Teruteru, Ibuki, Mahiru, Gundham, Nekomaru, etc. Peko and Fuyuhiko I'd have some trouble seeing like that.
We've seen Mikan already act like that and Despair Nagito and Pre Despair Nagito act virtually the same so he doesn't count as much.
And Izuru has already been the discussed as the sole exception to the whole thing. That's why he's Junko's second in command
>>128263584
>DRT
>trash
Shit taste aside, I'm sure he'd have no problem with this novel being canon. Not only does it show us some of the beginning acts of despair the DR2 cast unleash but it doesn't really contradict the games at all
>>128260484
Mukuro isn't like that. I wouldn't even say Nagito is like that.
>>128263896
Imagine being in a room with a couple of these fuckers and trying to hold a conversation while they're all jumping through their split personalities and trying not to off each other.
>>128257915
Not to mentionthe Ultimate Hitman is like Toko/Genocider in that he's split personality and his other personality is a neet who hates Hope's Peak and SHSLs which is neat.
>>128264145
It's been pretty shitty so far, I can't wait until it's over so we can get back to translating the novel that is actually confirmed canon and important again.
>>128264265
I'd prefer not to anon
>>128264457
>DRK
>canon
...DRK is as canon as DRT. They both really don't contradict anything.
>>128264784
it's not about whether they contradict anything. It's whether they're written by Kodaka.
plus DRT does contradict something. See Twogami's portrayal of Togami
>>128264784
The difference is Kodaka said DRK IS canon, but DRT is something Spike approved of, but Kodaka hasn't, so even if everyone loves jackin' off to it, if he says it's not canon, everyone has to hold that shit.
>>128264457
And
>important
How is DRK important at all in the grand scheme of things for the overall plot of DR?
It just tells the time of Kyoko before she went to Hope's Peak and her early career as a detective. You could literally remove DRK from the series and things would more or less be the same.
>>128265098
>You could literally remove DRK from the series and things would more or less be the same.
You could do that with anything that isn't a video game.
>>128264919
It does matter if it contradicts the story or not since it wouldn't really be canon anymore especially since it's a secondary source of content
And written by Kodaka? You could say the same about DRK since that wasn't written by Kodaka either
And
>plus DRT does contradict something. See Twogami's portrayal of Togami
See this >>128260389
>>128265386
>>128260389
But you can't easily speculate that. He literally steals the clothes from Togami at the start of DRT. Why would he need to do that if he's already got the clothing he's wearing in DR2?
>>128265181
Yeah. But my point is DRK isn't as important as you make it seem and it really is as canon as DRT
Hell I bet Kodaka won't even mention either of them in DR3. After all, he only told people to replay DR1, DR2 and DRAE to really understand DR3.
>>128265386
>It does matter if it contradicts the story or not since it wouldn't really be canon anymore especially since it's a secondary source of content
literally doesn't matter at all. Either it's canon or it's not. What determines if it's canon is if it is written by Kodaka. If it contradicts the video games and it's written by Kodaka, it's a plot hole, not non-canon.
>And written by Kodaka? You could say the same about DRK since that wasn't written by Kodaka either
Then DRK is non-canon.
>>128262674
For what? The Ibuki lewd, or the link?I wish I had more lewds from the artist who did the Ibuki pic.
And I hope Biwa, the guy who made the doujin in the link, does a Sonia doujin sometime. Dunno how recent the KomaruxMakoto one is.
>>128265564
I wasn't the guy you were talking to and I haven't read DRK. I just think it's silly to say "remove X and Y is just the same". Tons of properties have canon sources outside of the original medium. Hell if you wanted to take your argument to its natural conclusion you could say erasing SDR2 doesn't really have an effect on DR1 because DR1 is its own independent story.
>>128265564
>>128265608
DRK is canon because both the PSP version of SDR2 and DR:AE mention it and tell the player to find out more about it, to read DRK. That means shit in DRK IS canon. If DR3 or DRV3 has shit telling you to read DRT like the other two games had for DRK, then it'll be canon, but I'm doubtful.
>>128265485
>But you can't easily speculate that. He literally steals the clothes from Togami at the start of DRT. Why would he need to do that if he's already got the clothing he's wearing in DR2?
Except you act like he wasn't already practicing or working on impersonating Togami before he tried to enact the real deal? He could literally just be a fanboy for whatever reason and instead of practicing and using man made fakes of Togami, he goes and takes the real things from Togami?
It's not absurd especially since we know nothing about the Imposter anyway so I still fail to see how DRT contradicts that at all
>>128265891
I suppose I don't have a problem if the author adopts another work into the canon, making it canon. Again I haven't really read DRK or DRT
>>128265916
I think you're making bigger leaps than I am. DRT even goes on about how effortlessly perfect the SHSL. The SHSL Hitman was in the place of the hit before he knew who the hit was. I would seriously doubt the SHSL Imposter needs to train for a year just to mimic one man.
>>128265891
Except they never said that. Proof? This is the first I heard of this and I played both games and neither mentioned DRK at all.
And even subtle references to it doesnt make it 100% canon anyway
>>128265608
Or if Kodaka himself gave the OK. Or inspired ideas about the novels and was too busy with his own shit with the main games to write out these ideas so he gets someone else to write them out for him
In that case, then you could see it as secondary canon at best
>>128265916
It's self-evidently retarded. In SDR2 he was in the same state of mind as his first day at Hope's Peak. So you're saying he went an entire year at Hope's Peak with Byakuya attending the same school while still pretending to be Byakuya?
>>128266269
>except we don't know how the Imposter works his talent
>look how useless Hagakure's talent is
It's not really big leaps of faith. You're just assuming everyone's talent is going to work the same way or would be done in the same fashion.
So is IF canon? It wasn't written by Kodaka, but the fact it's in the vidya might imply it has his tacit OK
>>128266602
This guy's reasoning takes priority >>128266418
This argument is autistic as fuck but at least /drg/ is discussing something other than waifus for once so I really can't complain.
>>128266882
Well what do you want to talk about, anon? Enlighten us
>>128266418
>It's self-evidently retarded. In SDR2 he was in the same state of mind as his first day at Hope's Peak. So you're saying he went an entire year at Hope's Peak with Byakuya attending the same school while still pretending to be Byakuya?
Because we totally got the full scoop on Twogami right? Because that's why he wasn't killed so early because of his mysterious and questionable existence......right?
Again, we could argue the Imposter is just some fanboy who looked into the Togami family history seeing how big and famous they were and saw how Togami was like. Hell he may have even met Togami prior to going to Hope's Peak.
You could literally throw in any speculation on Twogami and it wouldn't be outright shot down since we have absolutely no idea what the Imposter is. We don't even know the gender.
That's the point.
>>128266841
Not really. He's just acting like we know everything about the Imposter for whatever reason despite what the game showed us.
>>128267140
Didn't say it was physically impossible. Just that it was retarded and that to take that at face value necessarily makes the story and Twogami worse.
>>128266342
I can't find the english version of this, but it clearly says 'Read Danganronpa Kirigiri' at the bottom of the card. On top of that, you know those posters advertising DR:AE you find in SDR2 that Hajime comments? In the original PSP release, they were of DRK, and Hajime would say he would definitely read a novel like that if it were real.
>>128267140
Not him, but in DRT the students are confused as fuck about Togami's declaration but the teachers are whispering about SHSL Imposter. So your theory makes no sense there or the students wouldn't immediately blame Togami.
>>128267136
I don't mind the subject at hand. The books are great, the content of the books are discussion worthy. The problem is that discussion died so that everyone could argue what books, if any, are "canon". That's autism.
>>128267367
>>128267534
Neither books are out in English so I can't comment on shit inside the books.
>>128267358
You act like Kodaka was making the story good.
>>128267367
So there's no actual proof on your word about the translation then. And advertisements don't count. Unless you can show me something in the plot that references or connects to DRK, I'll have to stand by my stance for the time being.
>>128267394
Except.... that doesn't tell us anything? Like at all. I don't know why you'd even bring that up. It doesn't contradict anything I said.
>>128266882
The fuck do you want, then?Porn?
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>>128267896
Holy shit m8, it's literally right here
>>128267542
The game is outright telling you to read DRK. Kodaka himself put that shit in because he feels DRK stands with own game's canon. Unless he says something similar about DRT in either DR3 or NDRV3, it's not canon, stay upset.
>>128267542
Didn't Kyoko mention her grandfather in DR1 anyway?
Then all it shows is that the character is canon since then and DRK could just be seen as a way to expand on his character
But even if you could see DRK as canon, it basically shafters that anon's argument about "Kodaka not writing the novels = not canon "
So it could go either way desu
>>128267932
This will keep me occupied while you nerds decide what falls into your A, B and C grade tiers of canon as transcribed by the lord himself Kohacka. Thank you, anon.
Do let me know when you ladies are done figuring your shit out. Thanks.
>>128268145
You're dumb as hell because all that could be seen as getting more extension on a character talked about since the first game soooo
DRK is as canon as DRT
But continue with the lack of reading comprehension
>>128268523
>>128268296
this is getting embarrassing for you. The game is outright telling you to read DRK for more info about a character in the game. Do you want Kodaka to personally e-mail you about whether it's canon?
>>128268329
K bye. Don't know why you think anyone would give a shit
>>128268523
You're literally the only one on your side. DRK is canon, DRT isn't, at least not yet.
>>128268523
>Game literally tells you to read a novel to get more information concerning it's canon.
>The only other instance of this ever in the whole series is in DR2 when you're told to read DR0, something that is very clearly canon.
DRK is canon, DRT isn't yet. Would you really be that upset if DRT was never confirmed canon at all?
>tfw people ignore the links I posted
GUYS? WHY ARE YOU STILL DISCUSSING WHAT IS CANON AND WHAT ISN'T WHEN I POSTED THIS DELICIOUSPORN?
>>128267932
>>128268329
This guy gets it.
>>128268697
>You should read Danganronpa Kirigiri to know more
>about Kyoko's grandfather
Again, reading comprehension isn't your friend. They're telling you to read more on DRK to learn about her grandpa if you care as much. Still as canon as DRT
Both are backstory content that could be seen as canon. Simple.
>>128269101
>They're telling you to read more on DRK to learn about her grandpa if you care as much.
which makes it canon. Otherwise reading more about him in that material would be useless. You seem to have confused the important thing here. The issue isn't that he exists but that the game is telling the player you can be more informed about this character with DRK
Just ignore him, he's not arguing in good faith, he's just arguing to be a little shit
>>128268835
Because you and the other anon say DRK is 100% canon it means.... what? It just means you guys have no reading comprehension
DRK is as canon as DRT. Until you give me actual evidence to show otherwise that isn't some advertising scheme, then I'll listen. Till then, stay salty
>>128269058
You are the hero /drg/ needs
>>128269327
>says the retard
>>128269302
>Naruto literally introduced a character from an anime non filler as canon in the manga
>Doesn't mean his backstory is going to play out the same exact way
They're telling you that the character exists. And to go read more if you want to know about him in DRK. So if DR3 goes off and has an episode showing a flashback of Kyoko and her grandfather and most of it contradicts DRK, would you still call it 100% canon
Funny thing is I'm not even saying DRK isn't canon. You and the other anon just aren't reading my comments clearly
>>128269935
this is ridiculous. It isn't telling you he exists, it's telling you that to learn more about this character you should consult this canon source. DRT doesn't have the benefit of that. If that screen didn't exist DRK wouldn't be canon. That's the difference between the two.
Cannot believe you guys are still arguing this. Nobody cares about canon or not. Shut the fuck about it you morons. It's all just content either way
>>128269935
Are you that same guy who always shits up /drg/ with the bad arguments? He always calls people "retard" when he's losing too.
>>128267932
there are greater things to be doing
>>128270272
Not wise to tell a dying general to shut up.
>>128269412
But amidst all this arguing about what is canon and what isn't, is me posting all that porn really worth it?
I might be the hero /drg/ needs, but am I the one you guys really deserve?
I mean, only two Anons so far replied to my posts about the porn links, so how can I be sure?
>>128270520
Thanks m8.
>>128270231
Except it really doesn't and DRT doesn't get the pleasure of advertisement like DRK got because it has literally no game released at the time of its release unlike DRK that had DRAE.
So it's an irrelevant comparison either way.
I loved how you didn't answer my previous question though
>>128270398
>he finally gets it
You people should know by now to not engage him
>>128270398
>looks at his previous comments
>never called anyone retarded
I could see that lack of reading comprehension is strong in you
>>128270616
>DRT doesn't get the pleasure of advertisement like DRK got because it has literally no game released at the time of its release unlike DRK that had DRAE.
Tough shit. Just because you're sad that didn't happen doesn't mean it DRT is suddenly canon. The games are treating DRK as a source of canon, thus it's canon. End of story.
>>128236852
I have no idea what to add to the conversation, but I still wanna post something, so have a Mikan.
>>128270624
D E L E T E
T H I S
S H I T
N O W
>>128270608
Let's be real you posted porn everyone who has ever searched for DR porn has already found. I saw ge hentai and immediately lost interest
>>128270784
>>128270398
>same anon
If you're going to troll, then atleast be a good one. Your arguments sink so you result to bad trolling
>>128270848
So you don't have any argument at all about DRK being 100% canon. Well that was obvious from the start really.
DRK = DRT in canon
Get over it and stop making a fool put of yourself
>>128271053
most people are retarded and dont know how to sad panda but Porn-Anon saved /drg/
I want to become kotoko's play thing
>acknowledging pekofag
>being baited into an argument with him
yall funny
>>128271305
ironic considering bad argument anon is known for samefagging
>>128270848
>The games are treating DRK as canon
Except they're not..... fail argument
>>128271305
I wouldn't bother. The anon doesn't listen to reason
>>128271427
Wait.
Where is his right hand?
>>128253206
So, episode 2 Dio?
>>128271575
>>128271305
see what I mean
>>128271562
Yeah so he basically goes off acting like some "Pekofag" is here while I'm pretty sure he is this "Pekofag" while he flames others and samefags to get people to agree with him.
Typical troll
>>128271427
Anon im now filled with an emptiness i didnt know i had thank you for showing me what ive wanted in life
>>128271724
Yep. I mean who wouldn't want Dio in V3?
>>128271575
>an Ibukifag who gets this riled up
Starting to see your collection of hats there /v/ shitposter-kun
>>128272000
>0 0 0
>THOSE TRIPS
>T H O S E
>T R I P S
>>128271630
In a very dangerous place.
>>128271891
You are welcome, now let us suffer together.
>>128272118
Dio would be terrible at the mutual killing game. He'd basically do what Mukuro did except that would be what he actually wanted to do. There's 0% chance he takes shit from Monokuma.
>>128272118
YES.
Dio kun goes off and massacres two students in Chapter 3 and get executed only to be revealed to have survived execution
>>128266676
It's canon in the sense that it's canon to its own universe. Nothing in it contradicts the main story, but nothing in it really effects the main story either. All it really exists for is to flesh out Mukuro, a character we never got to meet in the story proper. Regardless, I doubt we'll ever see it overwritten by DR3 or DRV3.
>>128272332
>He'd basically do what Mukuro did except that would be what he actually wanted to do.
>Assuming Mukuro went with this against her free will
Only real difference would be Dio wouldn't fail as hard
>>128272548
>not this canon shit again
It's just some what if story with as much relevance as a toothpick.
>>128272552
That's not my assumption. My assumption is that Mukuro is a drone who was told to act like it was an affront and to start attacking Monokuma. Dio would last about 5 seconds of Monokuma talking down to him before he'd start trying to rip Monokuma to shreds.
I just want Mikan to be happy again in DR3. Yes I'm a proud Mikanfag and I don't care what anyone says about it. I just want this girl to be happy in DR3. She suffered so much.
>>128272548
Cool picture anon.
I want kotoko to force me to cross dress
>>128272332
I don't know about that. If anything, he'd be planning to become the mastermind himself. Dio in Part 1 is all about getting money and power, so he's really more the Celeste of the cast, using his charisma to have stupider members of the cast kill each other off, then whack them in return.
>At first, they were going to write a novel about Mukuro instead, but eventually they settled down upon Kirigiri. The original idea for the novel was to just depict how Kirigiri got the burn wounds on her hands, but they wanted to expand that to the events she went through before she became SHSL. They don’t know how many volumes it’s going to be, but the ending has already been decided (what led to Kirigiri putting on gloves).
The "they" is Kodaka and Kitayama. Not sure what each of your definitions of canon is, but I did remember reading this. From a Tumblr blog, can google search if you need to. I'm not in this debate, just sharing information.
Similarly for Danganronpa Togami. From the source of the full translation for the novel (not the summaries)
>As a bonus, I checked out the author’s Twitter and he seems pretty excited, saying things like “I was born to write Dangan Ronpa Togami!” and “I can understand Togami’s feelings better than anyone else!” and so on, and assuring people that they don’t have to worry. Apparently it’s been a couple years since the initial conversation with Kodaka where the idea was first formed. Here’s hoping for some exciting developments in a couple weeks when the novel is released!!
So Kodaka was at least consulted. In the end it really doesn't matter, Kodaka decides what is canon, not you, not me, not some tumblrite.
>>128272224
yes lets my fellow KotokoFag
I had thought i was alone
>>128272548
God. Mukuro's reason for loving Makoto are still one of the most retarded around
>hurr he smiled at me
God IF was cringe worthy to read
>>128272721
Yeah, that's my point. All IF really exists for is to give character to Mukuro, who's dead in the main storyline.
>>128273061
Thanks anon, have another.
>>128273240
>I had thought i was alone
I felt the same way. Do you love her in a romantic way, or do you love her in a platonic way? I see her as my daughter.
>>128273221
Nobody cares anymore. Stop bringing up this shitty argument.
>>128273175
But Dio in Part 1 isn't that clever. His attempted murder of Mr. Joestar was pretty dumb. Actually I wouldn't even say Celeste is that clever either. But I think Dio has a shorter fuse than Celeste and basically any DR character thus far. I have no doubt that he'd try to take over the Ultimate Despair if he lived long enough to learn about it, but I don't think he would. I can't imagine Dio grinning and bearing Monokuma's motive shit; I can barely imagine him "playing the game." He'd probably think he's above this shit, especially when he sees his opponent is a teddie bear and he's the mighty DIO
>>128273221
>no real sources or links
>>128273292
I don't understand that reasoning. Mukuro's fucked up and she has a crush on a boy. Of course she'd interpret it as "he smiled at me." She's been in a warzone since she was a little kid. Not to mention, living with Junko I imagine smiles were a scarcity.
>>128273453
Platonic i would say
i want to bully her and be bullied by her
This general is often the worst of /v/, tumblr, reddit, and /vg/ all at once
>>128273895
>i want to bully her
You monster. You would bully her after all she's been through? I hope you're prepared to die.
>>128273943
>worst of tumblr,
we try to get rid of that cancer
>>128273428
Post more
>>128273943
fuck off pekofag
>>128274108
>cancer
>actually produces content and translations
>/drg/ produces ???
Let's be real, I don't use tumblr but our pastebin and waifu folders are a lot smaller without them.
>>128273889
That doesn't mean shit. Atleast come up with a better reason than "he smiled at me"
It's basically as retarded as Sayaka's reasons for liking Makoto
"hurr he saved a crane "
>>128274058
Nothing that bad just a little teasing now and then
new chakiit's not particularly good by my chaki standards
>>128274162
Whatever keeps the thread alive I guess.
>>128273292
>>128273889
The problem IF falls into is that it becomes more about the problem Mukuro digs herself into rather than her relationships with the cast outside of Junko, which admittedly is right for a character that relies on others to speak for her. There's probably more reasons for her crush than "hur dur smiles", but we don't get to see them given the brevity of the material.
>>128274445
But Mukuro hasn't had anybody who gave her comfort or love or sincerity. I mean even with Junko. They may have been homeless at a time. Her life was on the battlefield so she wasn't given the pleasure of kindness or anything
She's used to people being afraid of her
Makoto broke that cycle.
He was the first and only person to my knowledge who gave her a real smile. A smile of acceptance. Without any need of using her for ulterior motives. That's why she fell for him.
For Sayaka, she was only in middle school and her life was on the concerts and singing. She never really got much down time and acknowledged she did bad things to get ahead. While she did like spending time with her friends throughout the idol life, she secretly felt caged. Like she wanted to be free somehow.
Going back to the crane incident where nobody including the teachers could rescue the crane from its trap. Makoto was the one who went the extra mile to rescue and save the crane. It was this action that not only touched Sayaka but she would most likely see that crane as herself. Trapped over the bad things she did to get ahead in her career.
That's why she began liking him and wanting to find a way to talk to him somehow so she could know him better.
>>128274382
im talking about the tumblr mentality
Muh trans
Muh gender
there cool people there
>>128275328
Oh yeah agreed then.
>>128274950
do we really need more reasons for a crush than that? Does a crush need any reason at all? Mukuro/Makoto isn't some starbound couple; she was a teenager crushing on a boy. If you want to go super Freud about it I guess you could bring up that it's no coincidence that she developed a crush on Junko's foil.
Also I think the best part of IF is that it explores the relationship between Mukuro and Junko. It also informs us on Junko interacting with a member of Ultimate Despair, something we don't really see that often in the series. Of course it also allows us to go inside Mukuro's head to see that while she's definitely not a good person, she's not a lost cause. I liked IF, I had no problems with it.
>>128274950
>>128275238
Also, if we go by 0, she's also got a thing about saving him from his own bad luck / the fallout of Junko's bullshit. Which makes me wonder if Makoto isn't some very specific brand of moe for girls.
>>128275760
>Except making IF into a bad fanfiction about Mukuro trying to spend most of the novel about her love for Makoto or her love of Junko
Yeah its awesome
>>128274445
To be frank I'm the opposite. I needed no reason at all for her to like Makoto. I also don't trust Mukuro when she says he was the only one that smiled at her. I think it's like when Mikan says in DR2 that Junko was the ONLY ONE who didn't treat her like trash. What you're supposed to gather is that the interaction was meaningful to that character.
>>128275760
You're right of course, IF's biggest strength is in it's main character and giving us a little on Junko at the same time. I just find it odd that Mukuro never really reflects on her time with the rest of the students as well, given that she was to help murder them.
>>128275885
You could argue if he was one for Sayaka tho
>>128276019
I didn't think it was bad, what can I say. I think it's less about Makoto than it is about Junko though.
>>128276356
I get the impression that Sayaka thought of him as a decent friend at best even during their time at Hope's Peak. This is the girl who was willing to frame him for murder after all.
>>128276347
We get little hints. Mukuro says that Kyoko "was always like that" when Kyoko deduces that Junko is trying to manipulate everyone into killing Mukuro and Makoto. Genocide Jack calls Mukuro the "Sullen Samurai." I'd have to read it again but I think there's more too. You get little snippets but the LN isn't really about them.
>>128276458
Not that anon
But my only complaint with IF is I wish they gave us more time on Mukuro's personal feelings about her plans with her sister. And about betraying her classmates. It's like she spent most of it being a drone but then had to have her feelings with Makoto on the side to keep the balance
Even at the end she still doesn't really escape Junko's shadow at all
>>128276019
I'd say it's less about loving Makoto and entirely about loving Junko, so much so that without her she breaks down a little. Even when she turns around, it's not "Now to get Makoto's hope dick" but rather "I need to find a way to save/fix my sister from herself."
>>128276812
I disagree. I think the LN gives you her personal feelings, they are just either not admirable (she doesn't care about despair or anything, she just follows orders) or way out of touch with reality (she thinks she can convince Junko to spare Makoto). Over the course of the novel she grows as a character and is able to fully understand who Junko is. That's the only time she can defeat Junko and her first steps to overcoming despair.
>>128257915
On the subject of novels, and to get some discussion going: Would you ever want to read a Junko focused novelthat's not 0, or is the limit of her character better that we never get inside her head?
>>128276684
Doesn't explain why she was so fixated on that crane incident and her admiration and also the fact she spent like most of her time trying to find a way to talk to him. Unless she's a creeper, that shows she was definitely interested in him. Then you have them hitting it off pretty well before the incentives get brought up to the point people thought of them as a couple. Then you have her asking him if he has a girlfriend
Oh and did I forget to say she couldn't shut up about that crane incident and being his assistant
She definitely digged him. Just had more care for her friends which is why she went crazy when something might have happened to him and then that's when she decided to frame Makoto. And even after she fucked up, it's implied she at least tried to save him before she died.
Overall, I don't think she looked at him as just a "decent friend "
>>128276993
People underrate how good a source IF is on Junko's interactions with Ultimate Despair. Mukuro, Mikan, and Nagito all show signs of being in love with Junko. The kids in AE are all obsessed with Junko. Mukuro's the only one who has the internal battle trying to overcome that brainwashing. Remember, the "bad end" of DR2 is that they revert back to a time when they were brainwashed by Junko. Makoto's gang wanted to wipe that out completely. I assume it's no easy task to overcome.
>>128277221
So she spends most of her time being a drone and then has her feelings for Makoto give her some new commands to her programing that say "defy Junko slightly"
IF in a nutshell basically?
>>128277615
If you want to simplify it, but I think it's more complicated than that. In addition to the fact we never meet the real Mukuro in the game, we never really meet pre-UD Mukuro at any point in the entire series. We don't even know if that exists. The character we meet is a seemingly a drone manipulated (broken) by Junko. Mukuro in IF takes steps to overcome that and rip the strings off. If you didn't think that's interesting, that's fine, but I did.
>>128277441
God, I don't even remember half of that. I agree with the idea that she wrote Leon's name to save him though, instead of it being a spiteful last stab at Leon.
>>128277593
>Mukuro's the only one who was trying to overcome
>IF never actually happened
>so she still died a drone
But really even in IF she only started disobeying her slightly
And you also have Nagito and Izuru who don't seem all that in love with her like the others
>>128278071
IF's just a what if story, never implied it's what actually happens. But she doesn't just disobey Junko slightly, she outright ruins the plan and serves Junko a worse outcome than the events of DR1. An example of her disobeying slightly is her third free time conversation.
Nagito has gone on the record to say he hates and loves Junko more than everybody. Not even going into Izuru.
>>128278026
Ok I might not agree I guess I could settle to just leave it at that.
I'll say this. I wish we got more insight on Junko and Mukuro's childhood. Now that would have piqued my interest for sure
>>128278315
I disagree again. I like a little mystery. I don't want them to pull back the curtain too much. What little sympathy there is for Junko lies in her mysterious childhood.
>>128278303
Wait what did she say or do in her third free time event? I don't remember much of the details since I haven't played School Mode for awhile
But my point is he at least hates her with every fiber of his being in his own words. What kind of Junko drony would ever say a thing like that
And Izuru while being more of a mystery had that "I'll use her like she used me" thought process going in DR2 so there's that
>>128278597
>Wait what did she say or do in her third free time event? I don't remember much of the details since I haven't played School Mode for awhile
Just go watch it on Youtube. She says something along the lines of "this is the real me" at the start of the conversation and pretty much drops character.
>But my point is he at least hates her with every fiber of his being in his own words. What kind of Junko drony would ever say a thing like that
Well, Nagito. Nagito's batshit insane. He also says he loves her. That's pretty much what I would expect out of him, frankly.
Again not even touching on Izuru. That character bores the hell out of me.
>>128278513
If they were planning to eventually pull the plug on this Hope's Peak stuff, I don't see the harm. It would be too late for people to really sympathize with Junko
anyway
>>128278906
Just because they're moving on doesn't mean I want them to make the games worse retroactively. In my opinion, anyway. It's kinda like how when people say they wish there were ways to have different paths where some characters live and some die. I like the idea but I don't like it with the DR characters. Some were meant to die, like Sayaka or Twogami. Give them more screentime and I'm afraid there's not much there. Same thing with Mukuro and Junko's childhood. All I need to know is that it wasn't very good.
>>128278752
Awww.
>>128278597
But on the other hand, Nagito also loved her enough to train Monaca into a perfect clone, and clearly had weird feelings based in his messed philosophy of despair creating hope.
>>128278026
>>128278513
Anon, I think we talked in a /v/ thread about a week back regarding Mukuro and Junko, with you theorising that Junko hated Mukuro in some capacity and murdered her not for despair based reasons but instead because Mukuro could have ruined her plans, and I standing by the idea that Junko murdered her purely for the despair of it. Your mention of not knowing pre-UD Mukuro reminded me of that way that anon typed. If you're not him, disregard this (I'm aware this is a bloody long shot regardless) but if you are, hello again.
>>128278873
Oh. Well her saying that doesn't really show any real defiance towards Junko. It was just a nod at the fact that "Junko " wasn't really Junko. She was really Mukuro in disguise
The "real her " still obeyed Junko anyway
That's not my point though. My point is no real Junko drone would say they hate her or they wouldn't really be a drone in the first place. Nagito bring crazy doesn't matter. Him outright saying he hates Junko says something about him.
And I don't know how Izuru could really bore anyone. He barely showed up. Barely talked. I don't know how someone can like him. Or hate him. Or whatever.
To me, he's just.....there.
>>128279598
Yep, that was me. It's weird that we're talking about Mukuro again; she's not even my favorite character. I think she's often misunderstood though, and there's surprisingly a lot of material to draw on for her.
I didn't say Junko murdered her for non-despair based reasons, by the way. I think everything Junko does is ultimately in service to despair. I just think she isn't wholly forthcoming in her reasons for murdering Mukuro. Either way, nice to talk to you again.
>>128278906
>>128279174
I'm not quite sure what background could really justify Junko at this point. Even child abuse doesn't really help get to her mentality of ultimate despair.
But on the other hand, Nagito also loved her enough to train Monaca into a perfect clone
Yeah so he or some agent of hope could kill her off for brighter hope. Since he couldn't see Junko getting killed since she was already dead, the next best thing for his dream is to see the closest thing to Junko die. Or even better.
The one who surpasses her
>>128279629
>Oh. Well her saying that doesn't really show any real defiance towards Junko. It was just a nod at the fact that "Junko " wasn't really Junko. She was really Mukuro in disguise
Hence, small defiance. Everything else she did was read off a script but that conversation and parts of the second.
>That's not my point though. My point is no real Junko drone would say they hate her or they wouldn't really be a drone in the first place. Nagito bring crazy doesn't matter. Him outright saying he hates Junko says something about him.
I disagree. This is Nagito we're talking about. He's a walking contradiction; he constantly works to instill more despair because he believes hope is invincible. I'd expect nothing less from a brainwashed Nagito to talk about how much he loves and hates Junko.
>And I don't know how Izuru could really bore anyone. He barely showed up. Barely talked. I don't know how someone can like him. Or hate him. Or whatever.
You'd be surprised how boring I find a character who only talks about how boring everything is
>>128280085
Don't get me wrong: when I say sympathetic I don't mean I want something to justify her actions. I hate when villains end up having better reasons for doing things than heroes. At the end of the day Junko was probably born into the world despairing, as she says. I just think the hint of a not-so-good childhood adds character.
>>128279894
Ah, you'll have to forgive me, it's 2am here and my memory's not the greatest at the best of times. But yes, nice to see you again. Who is your favourite character, by the way?
>>128280561
Probably Nagito. I like every character in at least some way, though.
>>128280952
I'm always weird on Nagito. He's a great character, but I can't get over chapter five because I liked Chiaki so much.
>>128280301
I don't see how that says anything about Mukuro but meh
Him being a contradiction doesn't really matter. Him saying outright he hates Junko and what she brings in with despair proves he's no simple drone like the others if a drone at all
Are we dead? Too bad, I wanted to talk shop some more.
>>128280561
I should say that our conversation last week was pretty much one of the best conversations I had on DR in about a month. It's refreshing to talk to somebody who not only knows their stuff, posts good pictures, and doesn't lose their composure if you say something they disagree with.
>237 / 75 / 24
I'm in /drg/ alright.
>>128281719
It's not like Nagito wanted to kill Chiaki. If we assume she's a virtual character then I really don't think there was a better route for her.
Can you imagine how bullshit it'd be if at the very end she was around but suddenly it gets revealed she's an AI? As is she got to be a hero in 2-5 and then a hero again in 2-6.
>>128281786
>I don't see how that says anything about Mukuro but meh
I was just using that as an example of a "small defiance."
>Him being a contradiction doesn't really matter. Him saying outright he hates Junko and what she brings in with despair proves he's no simple drone like the others if a drone at all
I disagree. I think Junko has successfully manipulated Nagito because she used his worldview to her advantage. Further, we're talking about the guy that took her hand and replaced his hand with it. Nagito's clearly obsessed with Junko, I think. Whether he's a drone in the Mukuro sense or not was not my original point, just that he was obsessed with Junko.
>>128281937
That's actually an extremely unusual post to image ratio, must be due to arguments.
>>128281719
I like Chiaki and I think 2-5 is her best moment in the game. To really appreciate Chiaki, just ask yourself what would happen if almost anybody else had been the traitor. Chiaki is a hero in the same sense Sakura is a hero. In that way, Nagito did her a favor. At least to my somewhat warped mind I suppose.
>>128282128
He's obsessed with Junko alright. Obsessed with killing her and fulfilling his fantasy
He replaced his hand as a sign of love yes. But he also says he hates her and wants to like fucking see her die like him killing her. I don't know of any Junko drone trying to kill their brainwasher or even wishing for it.
A drone does nothing but follow their programmer and wish for nothing but use for their programmer.
Goodnight /drg/.May you find your worth in the waking world.
>>128282502
I'm sorry anon, but we're deviating from my original point. It's clear that every UD isn't a stoic drone like Mukuro; I wouldn't even use that word for Mikan. I was using Nagito as an example of an UD who has fallen into the cult of Junko; he loves her and is obsessed with her. Sure, he also hates her, but this is Nagito we're talking about. I suspect he couldn't love anything without also hating it.
This thread seriously lacks Ibuki.
>>128281806
I can easily say the same. I've never really thought about a pre-despair Mukuro until you brought it up. And it's rare that anyone goes into DR girls as characters rather than as waifus.
>>128282683
She's too busy sucking Togami's dick
>>128282657
>hating your programmer means you're not the typical drone
I could say Nagito is less of a drone than the other UD excluding Izuru maybe just off that alone. Him being insane doesn't really matter as much.
>>128283009
>Togami
Couldn't have picked a more absurd choice if you tried.
>>128283154
Again, whether he's a drone or not doesn't really matter to me. That wasn't my original point.
>>128283154
We haven't really even seen the others yet. For all anyone knows, all of UD hate Junko as well as love her. After all, she did make them do heinous shit and sorta ruined their lives and the world. Sure they're full of despair, meaning they have come to terms that the situation won't improve and that this was always going to happen, but that doesn't mean they can't hate her just like Nagito.
>>128283213
This is my absolute favorite Ibuki. I love opening it full screen and then just staring into her eyes.
>>128282850
Thank you. I hope we talk to each other more, even if we're both anonymous.
>>128283387
But that would be bordering on speculation since we haven't seen any UD act like UD besides Izuru, Nagito and Mikan. Sonia, Souda and Twogami if you count DRT.
All we know is that the general consensus is the UD were obsessively in love with her. We see from Izuru and Nagito that this isn't really the case..... for them at least
