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Indian bros edition

Previous >>126909589

>[New years stream]
http://www.fate-go.jp/cp/newyear/
- 2 hour long nico broadcast on the 4th
- tweet the site link for the counter to go up
- once a milestone is reached every player will get the rewards
- qp,apples,ticket and quartz
- quartz has a maximum of 12 and 2 at least. The number of them and qp will be determined by a dice roll during the stream

>[New Years Gacha]
Jan. 1, 2016 (00:00) to Jan 7, 2016 (23:59) JST
Rate-up for the following servants and CEs in the EVENT gacha:
Friday:
5* Gilgamesh (Archer)
Saturday:
5* Kintoki (Berserker)
Sunday:
5* Karna (Lancer)
Monday:
5* Arjuna (Archer)
Tuesday:
5* Scathach (Lancer)
Wednesday:
5* Karna (Lancer)
5* Arjuna (Archer)
Thursday:
ALL

- 4* CE Heroic New Year
- 3* CE Law of the Jungle
- 5* CE Grand New Year
- 5* CE Happy New Year

- Arjuna and Karna become available again after America update
- London STORY gacha still ongoing and ends on the 13th JST

>[New COSTUMES]
- Mage's Association Uniform
- Atlas Academy Uniform
- Chaldea Combat Suit
Given as reward for clearing certain quests within Chaldea Gate

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php

>[Datamine]
http://pastebin.com/LDRZ5ac5

>FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>Mega Pastebin (Dropmaps inside)
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>Data Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WI4dKGcwWjn5XpTgfLsK8c0cipRzrWbVpiLGeVr55Ks/htmlview?sle=true#
Toaster version:
http://pastebin.com/jtxyf37T
>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os
>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/
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This thread smells like shit.
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>>126920317
POO IN LOO.
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5* Cao Cao when?
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>>126920317
FUCK OFF REDDIT
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>>126920375
designated shitposting thread
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Grand Arturia with Avalon can solo Gilgamesh.
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>not fuck off reddit
ONE JOB
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Xth for cutest servant
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>>126920371
Agreed.
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>>126920317
More like mediocre servants edition :^).
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>>126920409

WHY CAO CAO GOT 5 STAR AND LUBU GOT 3 STAR.
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Every thread until Astolfo
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Anyone else not rolling for these shit new servants?
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>>126920421
>>126920375
FUCK OFF
>REDDIT
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>wake up and see "fuck off reddit"
Now we are going to have shitposting for weeks and retards are going to try to talk about reddit and epic troll whenever they can.

Lets not devolve into shit.
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>>126920447
>tfw I can finally whale for him
Feels GOLDEN
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>>126920487
Cao Cao killed Lu Bu.
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>>126920529
I'm not, I'm gonna continue rolling for Mordred. I could give 2 fucks about Karna or Arjuna, I will never get why they are so popular.
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I WANT TO MANA TRANSFER WITH MY WAIFU ALL DAY EVERYDAY!
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>>126920612
>guaranteed 5* including mordred
>wasting quartz rolling for her now
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>Not eaten in three day
>No food in the fridge
>Two day until autismbuck
>Phone dying
>worried about unpaid power bills
>At least you aren't a redditor
Feels good man
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I want to eat off of Karna's perfect legs
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>wake up
>Karna announced
>he shoots eye-beams
Well, there go my saved quartz and tickets.
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>>126920550
Yeah, let's have more Lancelot vs Hercules. or discuss the plot that nobody read.
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FUCK OFF REDDIT
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>>126920672
Who says I'm rolling for her now, I'm gonna wait until I do the guaranteed roll and if I don't get her I'll keep rolling the story gacha that has her rate up instead of the shitty New Years gacha
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>>126920680
>those flower motives on Arjuna and Karna

Pako da best.
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>>126920680
This obsession is gettin serious
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>>126920686
>devolve
OK NO MORE FUCK OFF REDDIT
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>>126920685
Apparently, the eye-beam was a missed opportunity in Apocrypha.
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FUCK OFF REDDIT
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>>126920612
Mordred a literal shit
Arjuna potentially just not as bad
Karna a best

How does it feel to have the shittiest taste?
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>>126920169

>Forgetting Saber was nerfed throughout most of F/SN
> Super Regan = "being situational", literary what
>"Ability to dodge everything doesn't bumps her", another literary what
>Forgetting Instinct A is literary precognition, which is what saved her life many times when she was heavily nerfed
>Forgetting full power Saber can deal with Herk

Kek, your autism is showing

Besides the moment you're talking about is when Gil got fed up and started to use a greater potency in EA, if he did get serious earlier he would get BTFO either way, it was the moment Arturia was waiting for
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When does the karna and arjuna trial quest show up?
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>>126920637
Won't that fuck your lifeforce up and shit?
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https://mega.nz/#!DI1gzJJR!HmaAgaUFwOezZVVbZkLeP6TW25olNAdhla0En5_OBPI

The chibi folder for whoever requested it last thread
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>>126920793
Urobuchi told Nasu not to allow that scene, they don't know what was his reason.
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>Finished london this morning
>About to do a 40 roll
>See the new years gatcha

Titty lancer can wait
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>>126920556
Feels great that I didn't have to whale for him. His event was the best time to reroll.
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>>126920864
Tomorrow.
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>>126920680
Weak ass nigga looks like he skips leg day smdh
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>>126920993
Nice. Can't wait to try them out and never roll either one with my 300 saved up quartz
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>>126920909
Thanks anon.
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>>126920909
Thanks anon
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>>126920680
Him and Arthoria Lancer Alter have the same legs
OTP
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>>126921009
I skip all days
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>>126920909
MAN LOVE YOU
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>>126920909
thanks
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>>126920871
It already has!
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>>126920680
pako's ok but i would've prefered wada
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>>126920909
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>>126920825

>being this retarded

Arturia being nerfed is a huge deal in F/SN, Gil less so, he is still OP as fuck and deosn't generally fights relying on his stats
>Just because regen was almost irrelevant against Gil (because of instinct and her dodging most GOB spams) doesn't means it's useless, through Shirou you should know what Avalon regen is capable off dumbfuck
>Instinct or pregoc is still OP as afuck, it is literary what kept her alive while she had her stats nerfed against powerful enemies such as Herk

stop being a blind retard and recognize that Avalon is indeed a big fucking deal like all other EX rank NPs
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>>126920772
His backgrounds leave quite a lot to be desired though
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>>126920909
Gotta fuck off reddit mark em
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>>126921087
How do you feel about yourself
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>>126920680
He sort of makes me think of Aigis.
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>>126920680
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>>126920317
>that one guy who's going to roll both in a single 10 roll
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>>126921252
NEET so don't care
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>>126920909
Thanks my friend
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>>126921304
>Hyped for Arjuna
>Ends up being another scrub that can't get past Cosmos
WHY
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>>126920512
SOON
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So is the guaranteed 5* for one gacha or can I roll on the Gil one to get a guaranteed Gil?
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>>126920680
>>126921304
Tell me about these Indians, why are they so chuuni?
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>>126921304
>That last card

DAKKU FURAM MASTAH!?
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>>126920871
Wait so you can mana transfer too much?
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>>126921449
FUCK OFF REDDIT
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>>126920317
xth for best Archer
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Now he finally do it.
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5112-Fate-Grand-Order-General-Discussion-Don-t-ask-when-America-is-to-be-released?p=2195611&viewfull=1#post2195611
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>>126921395
>Literally deserving more Fuck Offs than reddit.
Fuck off.
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>>126921503
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>>126921449
Seperate Gacha that doesn't include Gil or any of the other New Years gacha servants, or Tesla.
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Someone post karna and ajuna with like I'm with stupid shirt
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>>126920317
Arjuna NP is pure chuuni
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>>126921614
We need a drawfag anon to do that next time one comes by
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>>126921614
Someone post preggars waifus!
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>guaranteed 5* servant
Are we 100% sure it's not just "if you roll a 5* servant, it's guaranteed to be one of these"?
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>>126921690
REDDIT
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>>126921690
Fuck off reddit
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I love my waifu!
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>>126921690
Yes, the moonrunes on the image say "5 star servant guaranteed" and dataminers confirmed the same line of code that guarantees a 4 star card or 3 star servant is in place for 5 star servants.
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What is the best emilator to play F/GO? I tried bluestack 2 but it still laggy.
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>>126921690
FUCK OFF
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>>126921690
Its if you ten roll with bought quartz. F2P do not need to apply
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>>126920680
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>>126921725
>>126921790
n-no, y-you're reddit!
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>>126921797
then you have a shit computer.
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>>126921797
Read the faq.
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>>126921690
>>126921795
>>126921845
Fuck off retard
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>>126920317
Guys you realize now that karna has already been released we're going to be stuck with calamity Jane as the america aide right?
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>>126921327
As long as you're happy with yourself~
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>>126921845
antibullyranger.jpg
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>Karna and Arjuna
>Indian
>Released in America

My sides
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>>126921845
>I was not even pretending to be a complete retard
top wew
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>>126921845
HAHA I WATCH SOMEONE SAY "DATAMINER IS HERE , JUST GIVE ME A MINUTE" in previous thread.

AND SAW "FUCK OFF REDDIT"
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>>126921915
Well since America doesn't have anyone worthy of 5*/4* status it makes sense
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>>126921915
People were speculating that the day London came out I meam fuck there's four Indian servants where are you going to put them if not America
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>>126921830
>sauce: my ass
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>>126921885
>not shooting the poos back into the loos with based Jane
Step it up, Pajeet.
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I just rolled an Artemis/Orion, should I replace my Emiya with her? I really like Emiya though, for husbando reasons.

Her stats seem strictly better though as 5* etc.

My leader is currently Drake, who I kinda want to replace with Bonny and Read as I've been using Drake for months.

What CE is good with Artemis if I do use her? I have formalwear on Emiya cause he is all Arte attacks.
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I shouldn't have gone to bed, you guys have changed while I was away. I don't even recognize you anymore.
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Meanwhile Reddit still has no idea about the events that have taken place.
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>>126922000
Was just posted on BL
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>>126922040
Artemis and orion are trash. Just keep what you have and pray you don't get her again
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>>126920850
>Super Regan
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>>126922086
>BL
wew
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>>126922053
Fuck off retard
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I... think you need to 10roll with bought quartz to do the guaranteed 5* roll. There's this field called Type in the gacha entries. Most have it set to 1. That's PayType.STONE.
FP gacha has it set to 3, PayType.FRIEND_POINT.
5* has it set to 7, PayType.CHARGE_STONE

From BL
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>>126922053
This.Everyone was hyped for the new servants and now the thread is a shipost hell why?
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>>126922106
Knowing our luck on the Rate up day for everyone a bunch of anons are going to summon her.
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Cute!
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>>126922040
Orion is literally the worst 5*. Stick to EMIYA.
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WHO /KARNA/ HERE?
>tfw I won't get him with 200 quartz
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>>126922086
See
>>126920316
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>>126922053
>>126922185
Fuck off whale
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>>126922182
This is to prevent rerollers. It's totally likely to happen and theirs absolutely no reason to NOT implement this. (other than pissing off f2p players, but those fucks don't bring in money).
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The fujo art has already begun
https://twitter.com/ri0115ka/status/682212579578544129
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So why are people saying Tamamo is shit again? I just got her and she seems a lot more useful than Waver. She deals more damage than him and a better NP that is a lot more spamable. She blows up assassins and is probably the best support in the game. Waver just gives one person a NP really quickly, Tamamo can make everyone spam their NP and keep them alive with a 2k heal almost every turn.
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>>126922106
Oh.. Now I feel even more bad about not rolling Mordred.
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>>126922246
I want both of them, but odds are I won't get either.
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>>126922218
Too fat to be cute.
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>/a/ thread trying to circlejerk Solomon and claiming he is the strongest Grand Servant

Disgusting
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>>126922246
300 quartz saved up here for either him or arjuna
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>>126922383
I laughed

I'm starting to get why everyone likes him so much
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>>126922294
Activate it!
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>>126922246
I only have 169 quartz right now because I used some to get Medea Lily. I don't regret it, but I wish I had more.

Anyway, I will blow them away for my favorite chuuni Indian.
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Artemis is trash but you guys make it sound like she's Gilles or something.
She's better than every 4* for the stats alone.
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>>126922420
>It turns out Grand Caster and Grand Assassin are like three tiers lower than the rest of the Grands
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From leddit:
>These are the items that can be exchanged for prisms during the event.
>Items are classified by:
>Item name/ Item Desc/ PRISM Cost.
>Fortune Bag 2016/ Grab bag for 2016, used for free five star roll. Can only be redeemed once/ 16 Prisms.
>Material Bag 2016/ Grab bag with ascension and skill materials stuffed in it. Can only be redeemed once/ 16 Prisms
>[...]

Has this information been confirmed?
Is this Fortune Bag 2016 item related to the guaranteed 5* servant gacha or is it separate?
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>>126922351
Waver is good outside of an arts team.
If your other two servants have at least 2 art cards each, then Tamamo will end up better if things are still going after one NP chain.

Tamamo isn't shit, but Waver helps a lot more when things are just being steamrolled.
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>>126922519
Fuck off retard
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>>126922519
FUCK
OFF
REDDIT
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>>126922351
Tamamo's good for prolonged battles, but Waver gets the fight done faster.
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>>126922259
Also this.
課金 【かきん】 (n,vs) charges
It's the word they use for IAP.
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>>126922490
Stats and levels don't matter wwwwwwwww.
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>>126922519
FUCK OFF REDDIT.
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>>126922490
Unless you're going for a strong synergy, then yes, a 5*, even if it's Orion, is better than the 4*.

>>126922519
Literally copied from the last thread.
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>>126922580
fuck that's not the image I wanted to post

for some reason it hijacks my image upload when I copypaste something from my dictionary, weird shit
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Rate my luck.
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Grand Rider will be Adam

He has full control and EX riding ability of all creatures regardless of divinity.
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>>126922386
Rude.
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>>126922756
12/25
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>>126922756
Reroll/10
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Should I be spending mana prisms on summon tickets?

Feel like I can get a lot of summons if I burn all the 3 star+ exp cards you get from dailies and just buy lots of tickets.
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>>126922756
Would Touch/10
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>>126922813
Yes.
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>>126922813
>Should I be spending mana prisms on summon tickets?
Yes.
That's basically the best thing you can spend prisms on.

And if you haven't emptied the shop yet, you should do it soon, as the contents are going to change/refresh soon.
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>>126922813
If you have not bought out the tickets do so now.

You can farm the 30 ap daily toget exp cards to burn.
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>>126922351
The whole thing about Tamamo being shit started out as a meme because Waver got insane buffs and now people actually believe it. Both are really good for different things and their play styles are really different.

On the whole, I prefer Tamamo because a lot of the fights in events and story are long and drawn out (like the boss rushes) and she can be a savior with her constant heal spam and NP charge, works wonders with an Arturia and Emiya team (UBW and Excaliblasts every other turn).
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>>126922813
Farm those prisms now, I can see DW making exp cards not give prisms at all since people can farm 30-20 ap
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>guaranteed 5* servant is for IAP rollers only
>the cheapest quartz pack you can buy to do 10 rolls costs 4800 yen, or $40
>there are people in this very thread who will end up paying 40 bucks for Orion
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>>126923027
Just refund anon.
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>>126922246
I'm gonna spend money for the first time to get karna
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>>126923027
You get one pull free though.
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>>126923121
Same here.
Hopefully $100 will be enough
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>>126923027
>Trusting BL
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>>126922984
>now people actually believe it
>Tamamo has 1 good skill
>Not shit
waifufags are cancer
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>>126923162
>Hopefully $100 will be enough
You seem lack a 0.
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Added new year's cards to the mega paste:
http://imgur.com/a/t2JLd
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>>126923027
How about you buy 36 for 2900 and then 5 for 480?
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>>126923248
Do people feel obligated to bait when the thread slows down?
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>>126923256
Why is he black and not brown. indians btfo
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>>126923265
Then you have to do two refunds instead of just one.
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>>126923256
This chuuni motherfucker.
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BEST SERVANT
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>>126923027
>gold Archee card appears
>Gilfags rejoice
>it's Artemis
I can't even begin to imagine the despair
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>>126923256
Expensive slut.
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>>126923338
Sexy as kcuf.
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Does any have all the My Room wallpapers. I accidentally deleted mine.
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>>126923391
The background really ruins it.
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>>126923162
$100 gets you ~180 quartz

You need 400 quartz just to have a statistically likely chance of getting a 5*, and that's just statistically, in reality you need at least 600 quartz to reasonably expect a 5* and even then it may not be the one you want. Expect to spend between 600-1200 quartz for a "reasonable" chance to get what you want, so no $100 is no where near enough. Try $600
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>With Karna and Arjuna we will have a total of 18 5*
>1* and 2* combined have a total of 17
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>>126923296
>someone called my shit character shit
>must be bait
just kill yourself
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>>126923368
Gil isn't in that gacha, retard.
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>>126923368
I really hope they take other 5* out of the gatcha since there is only one rate-up this time.
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>>126923368
>Gilfags getting BTFO
They deserve all of it for liking such a shit character unironically.
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>>126923449
They've either abandoned bronze Servants, or we're going to get a bunch with 'murica. Probably the former.
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>>126923391
I'm getting one copy for collection's sake, but she's so fucking expensive.
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>>126923391
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>>126923461
You're really trying hard I'll give you that.
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>>126922040
>even thinking of ruining that smile
Literally Hitler.
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>>126922759
It could be Noah too
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I like EMIYA ironically.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>126923531
So the thousands of prisms thing is real? How many prisms do they think people save up?
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>>126923246
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>>126923449
It makes sense. 1* and 2* are intended as starter servants that you replace pretty early on. There's no point if the majority of your player base is already decently far into the game. It's not like 3*s are hard to roll.
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>>126922040
free dango ce.
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>>126923338
What is he holding?
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>>126923637

EXPLAIN PLZ
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>>126923471
Sorry for triggering you, anon
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>>126923637
you gotta be fucking kidding me
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>>126923246
>>126923637
It makes sense, paying players only for deals like this isn't new to mobages and DW hasn't been known for their generosity.
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>>126923723
Fuck off reddit.
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>>126923471
But Artemis will be in the Gil gacha right?
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>>126923256
Takeuchi drew this?
He has improved a lot with time.
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>>126917319
Share setup pls
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>>126923637
I blame davido-kun.
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>MUH REDDIT MEME
Holy autism.
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>>126922565
Tamamo is shit for prolonged fights. Prolonged fights means enemies gets to use their NP, they using their NP= one or all of your servants are dead. Unless you mean because how shit she is a team build around takes longer to kill things thus prolonged fights.

>>126922984
You have to be really delusional to think even for one second that Tamamo is no bottom tier 5*. I would rather have many other 4*s or a David as my support over her.
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>>126923832
>tfw we will never have a kimono wearing Kohai living in our room
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>>126923248
At least they aren't powerlevel fags. I wish powerlevel fags in every single fanbase would just die
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>>126923832
The nigger needs to stop with the sameface.

The clothing looks great, though.
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>>126923884
Nice excuse reddit
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>>126923637
So does that mean we have to buy 40 quartz or is 4 purchased and 36 free the same thing?
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>>126923832
no he hasn't

the only reason it looks impressive is because of the coloring - which isn't even takeuchi's
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>>126923807
But that isn't the guaranteed 5* gacha, if you seriously expect Gil or a 5* at all from it you better be a refunder or whale.
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>>126923891
See >>126923548
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>>126923610
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>>126923917
>Waifufags
>Not worse than powerlevelfags
Fuck off, waifufag.
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>>126924028
Eat a dick.
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>>126924028
Tell me what powerlevel faggotry brings other than shitposting. Any franchise. Nothing. That's what.
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What's so good about Drake? I've heard people say she is the best Servant or among the best.
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>>126924028
>Got triggered so hard he went full retard
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>>126924028
Why not both? My waifu's powerlevel is higher than yours
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>>126923637
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED :^(
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>>126923959
It's different.
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THIS > https://twitter.com/4channewz/status/682227848497741831
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>>126923637
>premium resource is now premiumer
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>>126923917
At least waifus here are kinda powerful. Unless you waifu Tamamo or Artemis your waifu is probably stronger than most other servants.
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>>126924086
It got us feetless Achilles and the jetfag
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>>126923637
>shifting into over-jew

sasuga DW
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>>126924136
Fuck off retard
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>>126923027

Have fun
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>>126924086
Actual discussion unlike MUH WAIFU has better tits/ass/whatever irrelevant shit.
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>>126924136
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>>126924269
Please no
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>>126923832
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https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/3ysd96/happy_new_year_to_my_fellow_redditors/

>Basically started by the guys in FB's FGO group who spread that photoshopped image.

PLZ
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>>126924269
Holy shit this company can fucking burn.
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>>126924223
No female Servant can get past Cosmos.
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>>126924348
Fuck off
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>>126924269
Darn this jew
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>>126924269

Get ready to rate the game 1 star with several accounts.
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>>126924312
Bestiality fou doujins when?
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>>126924269
I don't have an image jewish enough for this
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>>126924269
I KNEW IT
PAYMENT GEM ROLL ONLY
FREE GEM CANNOT.
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>>126924269
>>126924308
>>126924356
>>126924381
>>126924405
Here's proof if you don't believe me. (just compare the kanji).

Guess everyone is leaving the F2P country.
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>>126924269
Oh good I was begining to reconsider wasting my gems and tickets on the Indian duo but now I can do it without hesitation
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>>126924272
>Actual discussion

>>126924368
>muh cosmos
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>>126924356
People in this threads were asking for something like this.
They gave literary what people were asking for.
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>>126924478
I know. Which is why I am telling everyone to rate the game 1 star once the event starts.
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>People actually thought dw was going to be nice
Ahahaahahahaha, once again dw proves their shittiness
>not even letting you choose for paid quartz
Ahahahahahahah
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>>126924269
Well yeah, that's been in the game for a while. That popup you get whenever you roll quartz tells you that it will consume your free quartz before your paid quartz.
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>>126924348
Go choke on cock cuck.
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>>126924478
Sure it says that but how do you know it's about the guaranteed 5* gacha?
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>>126924478
Jfc
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So, Grand Summons are paying users only gacha? Great work, DW
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>>126924269
That is a really good thing
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>>126924512
They were asking for something like what Granblue did and gave you the choice of what 5* You wanted AND included limited time units

This won't do any of that
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>>126924269
>the faggots who were memeing that its paid quartz only was right all along
Fuck this gay earth
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>>126924535
It's comparing the kanji.
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>>126924561
It's not, it just proves that it's a big possibility, which everyone who can ready Japanese knew from the second this thing was datamined.
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>>126924561
It's an RNG version of what normal mobages does.

Pay 2500-4000 yen for a guaranteed SSR, works only once. In Granblue you can actually pick your SSR though. Here it's a gacha. Have fun with RNG!
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WE ALL THOUGH WE WOULD GET A FREE ORION. BUT NOW WE GET NOTHING AT ALL (at least for f2p players)
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