Part 4.5 - Dying alread Edition
Cookie Clicker update is OUT:
http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/beta/
Try these out:
http://www.kongregate.com/games/divinegames/realm-grinder
www.kongregate.com/games/Baldurans/reactor-idle
List of Idle Games:
http://pastebin.com/X9wJan67 (Not completely current)
Let's create an idle game, /igg/
Give me ideas and i'll try to do it.
DON'T LET US DIE /igg/
WE MUST KEEP GOING UNTIL TOEMAN FINISHED THE UPDATEwill orteil ever notice us again?
>>126858436necromancy
God damn it, I keep abdicating in realm grinder, when I need to stay on the same game for 36 hours for stupid faceless, and I can't just exit the game because snowballs. This is truly hell.
>>126858436
Do what I failed to do.
Make a Deep Rot idle game.
>>126859471
Snowballs build while offline.
>>126859240explain yourself
>>126859563
what was about?
>>126859678
Deep Rot is a /tg/ idea where you build a fucking massive computer using skeletons.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deep_Rot
I tried to do it using the idle game maker but it was far too complex for the engine to handle, and I don't know coding.
>>126859791
Actually, that's a pretty good idea.
At level one prestige, and been going for at least six hours at almost half way to next level, is there anyway to speed this up a little?
>>126861153
>almost half way
I meant almost fourth way to next level.
>>126861029
What I was doing was trying to set it up so that each skeleton generated a resource, and the big clicker thing gives you one skeleton each click.
Skeletons could be converted to computing, and eventually you could use the computer to handle more complex applications.
The system would take too much work to even feasibly work with idle game maker, but I would love to see it actually made.
Maybe one day I'll learn coding.
>>126859563
yeah, but you lose your largest source if you don't check in every 6 hours minimum
>>126861405
I though it was like
>every 'click' creates an skeleton
>every 8 clicks you get a byte
>you can use bytes to buy computer upgrades or use skeletons for autoclicking
But yeah, that doesn't sound too original and the learning curve must be absurdly hard to be fun at all (upgrades costing like 3gb when you have like 2mbps)Maybe if you convert Deep Rot into a fucking huge battleshit and add crew management and random encounters it'd be innovative, but idk if /igg/ likes that kind of non-idle shit
>>126862034
>doesn't sound too original
Nigga, have you SEEN idle games recently?
When the game pretty much can't be made in the cookie clicker engine, it's more original than 98% of idle games.
>>126858436
I could probably design the graphics and menus and shit
Dunno how to code though
am I doing it right?
>>126864823
>doesn't use autoclickers
That shit is require endgame solely for purchasing upgrades.
well it was fun while it lasted guys
see you when the official update launches
>Thunder Strike hits Farm
literally nothing
>>126862217
If we do something, it must be the most challenging, creative andfunidle game. I mean, we are the most mature idle game community.
>>126867189
play another game in the meantime so we don't ded
>>126867854
The problem is that I can't really think of an idle game concept without it accidentally turning into an active game.
>>126868669Let's do a semi-idle game
>>126868902
I dunno anon, I'm mostly an ideas guy.
I'm probably going to start working on construct 2 or some shit to make a turn based art quest game to practice that shit, and maybe I'll make art quest - the idle game
Basically just me practicing my shitty art and slowly improving it.Don't try to convince me to draw something it won't work the only art program I have is paint.net
So I just got my first Time Machine. My next upgrade is the True Chocolate Alch upgrade, and I'm only making 5 bil a second. What should I be focusing buying?
what is the best combo for the 2 dragon auras?
>>126871108
Dragon flight and the Prism one
Is the 500 Exchanges trophy bugged? I got 504 bought and I didn't get it.
>>126858925
Nope, remember that he hates us now.
>>126875295
Is it because of catfucker?
I remember he stopped posting here shortly after Catfucker came around.
Anyone playing this?
how do wrinklers work? it says having 10 is a 500% increase to CPS, but they appear to be lowering cps, not raising it.
>>126875356
He doesn't care about catfucker.
What happened was that someone found his friend's tumblr and posted screenshots from it, while shitposting about how she was Ortiel's underage girlfriend. Instead of just reporting the creepy weirdo and ignoring, he blamed the entire thread and said "you guys really don't want me around anymore huh" and left.
Now he hates us.
>>126876041
Well fuck.
I know he still goes on /v/, but I wish he'd come back around here. The majority of us always liked the guy when he wasn't being fucking lazy
>>126876183
He does? Does he post under something other than Orteil?
>>126876524
He probably posts anonymously. I'd assume he doesn't want to be noticed.
>>126875694
They spit out more cookies than they eat. Pop them when you need to make big purchases.
When should I do my first legacy in cookie clicker? Currently at prestige 167, 42 hours in.
>>126877635
You could have done it at 10
>>126877662
So should I do it immediately or wait to 200? I feel like every time I get a click frenzy I gain 50 more.
>>126877765
Click frenzies are infrequent.
Ascend, buy the dragon egg (and maybe some other things), then get to the point where you've fed them shipments.
>>126875694
Each wrinkler withers (reduces) your CpS by 5%, up to 50% with all ten wrinklers. However, when you pop them they give back all of the cookies they withered away, plus 10% interest. This was supposed to lead to a 100% increase in CpS, but Orteil did it wrong and each successive wrinkler withered not only your base CpS, but also all the cookies the previous wrinklers were withering too. So instead you get a 500% increase due to all of your wrinklers sucking each other off in tandem. Orteil decided he liked this better than what he originally intended and the bug became a feature.
This has been your Cookie Clicker history lesson for today.
>>126877879
Anything other than the dragon I should spend my 150 chips on?
>>126878432
Whatever you want, the dragon egg is mostly the only important thing.
>>126875637
yes senpai
>>126875637
For several months.
>>126858436
Christmas/Winter themed one where you build stuff out of snow and shit
>>126858436
Animal breeder for different breeds of animals. Make the biggest zoo ever
>>126882956
That was one of the early ones.
>>126882821
That was one like a year or two ago too
>>126878495
When does this thing become something other than shitty minor buffs like 5% clicking power?
>>126886769
Shipments (Dragon flight).
They're a ridiculously buffed clicking frenzy and they appear a lot more often.
so who all in this thread is currently deving, and if so do you have an estimated release window?
>>126858436
Something to do with trying to get a girlfriend.
Do heavenly chips give CpS or just prestige levels? Can I spend all my chips?
>>126889121
both
yes
prestige level is the total chips you've gotten / your CPS bonus and does not go down when you spend them
So what is this... AQ Dragons?
>>126890696
No that was released a while ago.
Also they're doing a kickstarter for a new mmo if anyone cares.
>>126890974
So is it good? Adventure Quest is dumb as fuck but Orteil is my husbando.
>>126891126
Adventure Quest was never the best game ever but I loved it when I was 12 and I still respect his team a fair amount.
I've never played it but I think it's just CC: Dragons edition.
So, probably slightly better than all the other 2-bit rip offs.
>>126858436
make the anti-idle portion of it a rhythm game instead of click mashing or just hunting for rare spawns.
Like, say you find your golden cookie equivalent and click it. Instead of straight up giving you a boost that makes you mash your mouse until you've worn it out or handing you a bunch of cookies, start a mini round of shitty guitar hero or ddr and how well you do on that instead determines what your idle boost for the next half hour will be. And if you want to up your gains by dedicating your focus to the game, you have to click the cookie (or whatever) in rhythm to get a 100% boost from 3 well timed beats per second instead of 20 thoughtless clicks per second from mashing the button.
>sandcastle builder
>after a long and boring multi-day grind, get to glass ceiling
>suddenly FUCKING EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING AT ONCE
>massive boosts in production
>logicat, unlocking boosts every 10 seconds
>time travel, whole bunch of weird shit
>enter some sort of mirror world?
Jesus christ game why weren't you this insane back at the start of longpix
>>126896380
I don't know, rhythm can be just as tedious as mashing.
The best thing to do is make like Sandcastle Builder and make the "active" portions so complex that they make up for the fact that nothing's really happening.
>>126900776
>rhythm can be just as tedious as mashing.
it really can't, you can stretch a small amount of effort into way more hours of interest when it comes to rhythmic stuff because people can just get into a groove and zone out while they do it, plus frame-perfect bonuses can be really exciting and feel random to most users even though it's technically possible to train up muscle memory to hit it consistently. Sandcastle builder having a fuckload of systems at play just means you have autists working constantly to come up with more bizarre bullshit to keep ahead of the players, not to mention that shit drives people away because they honestly can't remember what they're trying to do anymore.
>>126902397
>you can stretch a small amount of effort into way more hours of interest when it comes to rhythmic stuff because people can just get into a groove and zone out while they do it
You honestly think that people aren't going to get tired of "click once every 0.25 seconds"?
>>126904149
they'll get tired of it more slowly than "mash the button"
I can see myself sitting down for a couple minutes to do a little timing minigame to save an hour of two of idle time even if I've been playing the idle game for a long time, there's a point where I've been playing an idle game for a while where I do not give enough of a fuck to mash-click for a boost unless I am saving literal days worth of idle time (which is what dragonflight is up to now)
>>126905327
You get tired of mash-clicking because you're used to it. You think that rhythm-clicking is better because you're not used to it.
Once you get used to rhythm-clicking you'll be in the exact same situation, tired of it.
>>126905779
>You think that rhythm-clicking is better because you're not used to it.
You have no idea how many hours I have poured into DDR, Stepmania, and Guitar Hero.
No.
Fucking.
Idea.
>tfw cookie clicker burned me out on idle games
>>126858436
You click pies and use pies to upgrade your pie clicking.
This clicking only games need to stop. You can only play click this thing and buy this thing for auto income so many times.
>>126911808
I wish people would make games like these that actually have a little bit of content in them.
The whole "click x to get x to get more x" is silly after you played one, maybe two games in my opinion.
Idle Civilization is a step in the right direction, that was fun for awhile.
>>126891126
aq wasn't terrible, but dragonfable is where it's at
This has probably been brought up but on cookie clicker is there a reason why the grand matriarchs pictures are completely obscured because they're behind all the buildings? I literally can't see them at all.
>>126917651
because orteil is the only one with a fetish for shoggoth grandmas
>>126917792
So there is literally no reason? He just decided to get rid of them on the left?
>>126917819
They're there on the left iirc, just obscured by the snowflakes, the wrinklers, the milk.
Anyone know why dungeons aren't in the 1.9 beta of cookie clicker?
>>126919639
because ortoe gave up on them
2nd Playthrough, seem to have more dosh than I know what to do with. Not seen any of these dragon eggs or anything yet and bingo research is slow as fuck.
any ideas what to do?
>>126922941
click the cookie
>>126922941
>>126923071
in the past few minutes I kept getting x777 cookies
>>126923537
it will never stop
So creating an idle game is basically having a 'click' variable that auments in relation to another variables?
I want to create an idle game, but i don't know it it'd be hard to code
>>126924496
http://orteil.dashnet.org/experiments/idlegamemaker/?game=hczBgm6k
Do you not remember IGM?
>>126924801
Maybe my game will be hard to create on IGMbecause i wanna add a trading system and space travel
>>126925063
Game Maker isn't hard to use, though I don't know of any idle games made in it
>>126925136
I know how to use GML but i think that no one wants to download an exe to play idle games.
I'll learn javascript
>>126924801
I originally made a prototype in igm, before realizing igm was too limited for my ambitions, then realizing my talent was also too limited
>>126911808
anti-idle goes berserk with all kinds of mini-games
>>126927345
I wish the 'main' part of anti idle wasn't that shitty arena thing. It was a sort-of ok game outside of that.
>>126924496
as far as "games" go, an idle game might be simpler than pong.
>>126927467
you can say that for 95% of the genre
>>126930049
They're saying that for the entire genre though?
>>126930861
oops
>>126927467
it depends on how you look at things
I have the dragon aura that gives more random drops, omelette and the upgrade to Easter season but I still can't get that last egg. I've been popping wrinklers and clicking bunnies for hours and nothing. Has Orteil said anything about changing this stupid formula?
>>126935401
Nah
>>126935401
the problem with eggs is there's a chance to proc a drop of one you already have, so nothing happens
>>126934568
No, it doesn't. The essence of an idle game is "shit happens in the background without input"
the complexity of programming that is microscopic compared to any other game.
Started playing Cookie Clicker again not long ago.
Don't know shit of last update; so I ask: When is a good time to restart for the first time?
I'm playing the Beta.
>>126939654
10 hcs
buy dragon
use dragonflight
you'll understand.
>>126938891
the essence of an rpg is numbers go against other numbers, the big one wins and gets bigger
What is Dragon Harvest? Is it worth my second aura slot or should I just get the 2x CPS modifier.
>>126939654
I restarted at 175 my first time but in retrospect I'd have done it a lot sooner. It took me 10 hours from my first ascension to go from 175 prestige to currently 2.5 million.
>>126940495
and all of that shit is the easiest part of an rpg to make. people only enjoy rpgs when there is a shit load of well written dialogue and pretty art assets held together with those really simple number games.
>>126941560
like a frenzy but 15x multiplier and slightly shorter length. double multiplier is better since that's basically the same amount of cookies during a frenzy and having harvest in the golden queue lessens the chance of getting flights and frenzied flights.
>tfw you started the beta three days ago and the only cheevos you have yet to get are the retarded 7777 golden cookie and 100 ascension ones
>>126942928
>retarded 7777 golden cookie
Get good. 77,777 golden cookie achievement when?
>>126943635
So thats what I have to look forward to? Unlocking 99% of the cheevos in 3 days and waiting a year to get the last one?
>>126943635
it's a shadow achievement.
>>126865237
not him but personally I decided to get the clicking achievements without using an auto clicker
>>126943829
That's better than having 100% be easy to complete.
>>126943635
>not wanting a 7,777,777 achivement
>>126944106
No it's not, don't lie to me.
>>126943829
What you should have done was waited for the beta to be fixed before complaining about how it's broken. We know it's broken, it's old news.
>>126924801
didn't there use to be a plugin for it that turned the numbers to scientific notation and added buy 10 and 100 buttons?
>>126938891
The essence of an idle game is "shit happens".
The essence of a good idle game is micromanagement, alternate systems, and interesting synergies. You don't even have to go Sandcastle levels - Cookie Clicker has the whole way Golden Cookies open up with 77 clicks. Realm Grinder has all the ways spells and shit work together. You don't need a massive 10-tier puzzle which takes hundreds of moves to complete in order to move on to the late earlygame, but something that keeps your attention is required.
Otherwise, what's the point? You want a "pure" idle game?
int main(){int points = 0; while (true){points++;}}
No frills, no player interaction, not even any output. Obviously, this game is shit. It has no redeeming value. The value in an idle game has never been the fucking waiting, it's been the optimizing and the interesting systems and synergies.
>>126946318
For IGM? Yea. I think I have it around somewhere.
>>126946318
http://pastebin.com/4dzyUKKz
Here's the short numbers, I don't think I have the buy 10/100 one.
so is avalanche going to work once the event ends in realm grinder?
I think so
I'm on R2 and it seems like spamming quick runs of elves is the best way to get to prestige.
It upsets me
>>126949006
Things change
>>126949202
I don't supper the Undead ever become the best do they?
Or at least goblins?
>>126949006
Also with a decent trophy count demons are better to start with
>>126949391
I've got 454, that good enough?
>5e49 coins for the Underworld Passage
pls
>>126949378
I'm only on r13 atm and so far not really. But they all have their uses though.
>>126949378
Undead is universally useless through every single reincarnation.
Goblins become one of the best once you reach Research.
>>126939814
Hm...
I'm "training" this dragon and it's upgrades seem rather shit for their cost...
Will it really be worth it?
>>126950012
Yea, get to shipments.
>>126950012
Shipments, anon.
Just be patient.
Seems like demons are better, but they start a tad bit slower due to faction coins.
>>126950553
I literally covered this last thread holy shit my fucking god jesus CHRIST
>>126951005
>last thread
Welp there's your issue
>Reactor incremental
Wow this has had an overhaul-
>>126946349
>int main(){int points = 0; while (true){points++;}}
the most complex idle games aren't much more complex than this. Comparing all the shit in sandcastles, realm grinder, and cookie clicker combined to even pong is a joke.
>>126951258
I haven't played it in like 2 days because I didn't bother to figure out nuclear and was just sitting on reactors+gas
>>126951258
Is it the same dev as from before or a knockoff?
>>126951578
I think it's the same. The original was on Kongregate and the name matches.
>>126951130
>>126951254
Well, for anyone curious, here's the basic progression up to R16
All values are in gems
R0-30-1M: Elves
1M-50/100T: Demons
50/100T-50/100Qi: Titans
50/100Qi-Reinc.: Dwarves w/ Fairies or Angel
R3-7Same progression, but go to Mercs Lightning Forge build (look at the wiki) at 50-100No until Reinc
R7-140-1T: Demons w/ Faceless Bloodline
1T-1Qi: Fairies w/ Fairy bloodline
1Qi-1No: Dwarf-Fairy w/ Fairy bloodline
1No-Reinc: Lightning Forge w/ Fairy bloodline
R14-16Same progression as above, but once you hit a wall with Lightning Forge, switch off to IGOT. Again, look at the wiki for the build.
R16+Same progression as above, but at 50-100Dvg switch off to vanilla Research.
I have no clue about Neutral research as I haven't reached it yet, so I can't really give a guide to that.
>>126951921
we need more undead buffs
Is there a set way to reach the Underworld Passage? Like doubling your Gems with every Abdication or something?
>>126951921
Titans are too RNG for me
>>126946880
still looking for an answer on this
Sorry I'm a lazy cunt and want to avoid trial and error.
Can you guys reccomend less flashy (literally and otherwise) clicker games?
I like to play idle games with minimal upkeep that I can check on every so often during downtime at work.
Any good suggestions? I've already played candy box, civ clicker, etc
>>126959390
http://giantshaft.com/
least flash idle game out there
>>126959390
Play the undead in realm clicker, it's made to play mostly offline
Does anyone actually manually click for the trophy? I would just set sun blessing on autocast
>>126960638
sun yea
>>126958869
Enjoy taking 5X longer just to complete the neutral phase.
Enjoy taking 5 months of active play in order to reach R16.
>>126967831
Doing druids took a lot less time than doing titans, I checked with the weather thing.
I'll probably have to do it later on but for R1 and 2 I did druids.
>>126967989
Titans can give 100X or more gains on reincs, typically, Remember that you only do neutral from 50T-50Qi, and that you completely skip over them at R7.
The best merc build also uses LF, and all other builds take WAY longer.
>>126951258
>Isolation
...shouldn't that be insulation?
>>126960327
don't ever suggest to play current undead unless it's to get the couple of achievements
>>126967989
not in the long run
>>126982021
>I'll probably have to do it later on but for R1 and 2 I did druids.
I was just going for speed, and waiting around for titans to strike something good takes a while.
>>126982150
in short times it's more reliable, but with a single monastery strike, you're looking at 100-1000x gems
>>126986846
I'm aware dude. What part of "I am going through early reincarnations and, after looking at the weather, saw that it would be faster to do the druids" do you not understand.
>>126986941
what part of "you're wrong and probably catfucker" do you not understand?
>>126989874
>you're wrong and probably catfucker
So you're just going to shitpost now, got it.
I already deal with that fuck in two other generals. I don't see why you're throwing around claims.
>>126990009
/kspg/ and /utg/ pal?
>>126990570
Fuck off catfucker.
>>126990586
i'm legit not him
i feel the pain
Which is better? Golden cookies or wrath cookies?
>>126992583
golden can trigger dragonflight so they are better
>>126996087
Wrath cookies do so as well
>>126996523
Less often though, Golden Cookies are infinitely better if you plan on paying attention instead of just idling
Why is "Time To Next Chip" counting up instead of down?
Do things cost more in later reincarnations? For some reason I've hit a wall at ~100T gems when I'm on R3.
So with the cookies, someone told me I should rush dragon ASAP, with that being said I have 15 heavenly chips, what else should I grab?
>>127008130
the upgrade to earn while offline
>>127008176
that upgrade is total shit even if you do turn the game off. It's not worth it to buy it over anything unless you're going for some of the later purchases in the tree that have nothing to do with idling.
>>127008651
It's a start if you have nothing else to get though
>>127008651
Yeah the only good thing in that tree is synergy upgrades, and kitten angels I suppose
Is there up to date cookie monster yet?
Best Dragon Aura?
>>127013049
dragonflight, no doubt about it
better than the 2x overall multiplier if you're half-decent at clicking golden cookies and the big ol cookie
of course, once you unlock the second aura you can have both (:
>>127013307
I just realized that it's x2 multiplier and not just x2%
Oh shit that's good
>>127013453
A 2% multiplier would be 25 times worse than Clot, my friend
>>127013557
You know what I meant
+2% of your overall cookie production
Come to think, a 2% (or most likely 1%) multiplier will be coming up when the man finally patches heavenly chips
NO LONGER DED
kek, never would have guessed there is this kind of general here
I personally play adventure capitalist and recently started clicker heroes.
I like these games because its on steam, makes it easy and streamlined.
What games do you play? Are there any other good ones on steam?
Sakura heroes was not too deep i think.
>>126996523
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure they don't.
