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Everything went to hell edition

Previous >>126701017

>[New years stream]
http://www.fate-go.jp/cp/newyear/
- 2 hour long nico broadcast on the 4th
- tweet the site link for the counter to go up
- once a milestone is reached every player will get the rewards
- qp,apples,ticket and quartz
- quartz has a maximum of 12 and 2 at least. The number of them and qp will be determined by a dice roll during the stream

>[LONDON Gacha]
Dec 28, 2015 (Mon) 19:00 to Jan 13, 2016 (Wed) 13:59 JST
Rate-up for the following servants and CEs in the STORY gacha:
- 5* Mordred (Saber)
- 4* Frankenstein (Berserker)
- 3* Jekyll and Hyde (Assassin), Paracelsus (Caster), Babbage (Caster)
- 5* CE Zouken
- 4* CE Kairi
- 4* CE Kariya
- 3* CE Clock Tower
All of these can be rolled even after the event
- 5* Tesla and 4* arthuria alter Lancer vers are the unlockables
- jekyll is the clear reward

>[New COSTUMES]
- Mage's Association Uniform
- Atlas Academy Uniform
- Chaldea Combat Suit
Given as reward for clearing certain quests within Chaldea Gate

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
- Comptiq's interview with Higashide and Sakurai (about London)
http://pastebin.com/ipaXkpd2
- Patch notes
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151227

>[Datamine]
http://pastebin.com/LDRZ5ac5

- Latest Producer's Letter (12/11)
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151211

>FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>Mega Pastebin (Dropmaps inside)
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>Data Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WI4dKGcwWjn5XpTgfLsK8c0cipRzrWbVpiLGeVr55Ks/htmlview?sle=true#
Toaster version:
http://pastebin.com/jtxyf37T
>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os
>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/
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>>126710410
>Everything went to hell edition
I GET IT

BECAUSE DEMONS
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CORRECT TAMAMO NEVER
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>>126710421
Tesla is Zouken's friend so of course he had to be a 5*.
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>>126710410
>cheat APK
>on story battles

What's the point in playing?
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1st for Standing there looking pretty in London.
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>>126710410
OP is a cheating bastard. Wave 1/1, no damage done, 300%
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>>126710410
>Jekyll is the clear reward

I had to literally use 20 qwartz to get the little fucker.
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>High Speed Incantation A
>Elemental A+
>Philosopher's Stone A
>Territory Creation A
>Item Construction EX
How do you like Hohenheim's set of skills?
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Siegfried!
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>>126710410
Next Event when?
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xth for wakame archer
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EVIL WITCH
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>>126710410
Solomon when?
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>>126710502
Can't wait to shit on Solomon with her. Best BBA.
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>>126710505
Now if the floating books drop pages I'll be the happiest fucker in the world.
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>>126710410
This is what happens when you don't pay child support

You create Satan himself
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>>126710534
Seems OP. Shame he's a 3*
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The books from Mage's Association uniform quests unsurprisingly drop pages.
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Xth for cutest servant
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>Mashu getting bossed/bullied around by Mordred
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So, was the hint about a character from Extra being the main story support a lie?
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>tfw still in france
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80 FP rolls and not a single new 3*.

I guess I'll roll 10. Everything in this works so well for my team.
Which means I'll be whaling if Astolfo really comes out on Valentine.

Man now I hope Valentine 5* is something shitty
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With Arturia Alter Lancer being a 4*, the real question is whether she's any good or not
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xth for best Grandpa.
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Who is that boss guy?
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Saber Lily is the cutest.
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>>126710585
>not using the hat
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>>126710514
>Using quartz for a 3* that is/will end up in the FP gacha
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>>126710557
She is just there most of the time thanks to the assassin spam and me being too lazy to switch her out but when Casters appear she is ready no matter how big they may be.
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>>126710593
She totally knows it's Galahad, doesn't she?
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>>126710615
That was a miss TL apparently

Sakurai just said someone from extra would appear and it was NR
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>>126710615
Sakurai said that an Extra Servant would show up, not that it would be the main support. That Servant is NR.
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>>126710627
>Lancer ATK modifer
>Crit weight+damage skill
>Prana burst
she's solid, still have to wait for her animations/NP damage to see how she fares overall
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Did anyone find out how many chapters are in London?
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>>126710493
>Tesla is Zouken's friend
Explain further.jpg
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>>126710682
>>126710687
It makes more sense that way, anyway. That would have made it the third main ally from Extra in a row.
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>>126710630
Servant Zouken when?
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Fucking DW changed how enemy data is ordered, now I need to find which byte is deathrate again unless I want to go packet sniffing, ugh
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>>126710636
Grand caster Solomon aka the fucker who has a billion NPs that are all stronger than excalibur
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Burp extension for testing/cheatapk alternative.
http://mediafire.com/?78bs938jp7ymcdy
Read packet sniffer guide for how to use.
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>>126710640
>wants to be stoic and manly like his daddy
>didn't realize that for 10 years after taking out Caliburn, Saber just had adventures to master the way of the knights
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>Mashu asks about Mordred's reason for protecting London
>ONLY I CAN DESTROY MY FATHER'S PRECIOUS LONDINIUM

Literally Vegeta.
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>>126710551
>2 5* males
I remember someone saying yesterday that Solomon would be a 3*
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The plugsuit's pretty damn good.
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>>126710410
I think this confirms that Solomon probably isn't the true final boss. I bet he gets back-stabbed in Jerusalem.
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>>126710630
So handsome
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Every thread until Astolfo
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Nothing but some berserkers and diarmuid in a ticket meme roll.
Can't complain really.
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>>126710593
Is Mordred angry Galahad was Daddy's teacher's pet ?
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>>126710789
Still mad that Jekyll not a 4*.
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>>126710775
Can you use Solomon with that?
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>You can really change Jekyll's class
Finally *3 with interesting gimmick.
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>>126710775
>Lancer
>Gets horse

>Riders
>Fuck you, you can walk

Grail Ascension better update this shit.
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>>126710534
Surprisingly not shit. His skills might be better than Medea's overall, though I doubt his NP will be as useful as Rule Breaker.
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>>126710863
Maybe Mordred likes Galahad because both had shitty parents.
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>>126710819
Loving the shuffle for the magic suit. Helps my team alot since I focus on one turn crit bursts.
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>>126710732
After 5* Assasshinji
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>>126710820
>Lev set up as the final boss
>Jobs in Rome, dies

>Solomon gets set up as the final boss
>Backstabbed, dies

I would be upset.
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>>126710410
Can't wait for cheatfags eventual ban.
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So we really got two Saberfaces in one patch. Not that I am complaining
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>Mashu's third skill now does a taunt instead of Battle continuation

YOUR KOUHAI IS ACTUALLY USEFUL NOW
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>>126710908
Except everyone liked Galahad and nobody likes Mordred. If I was her, I'd get angry.
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>>126710789
Solomon is not in the gacha though
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>>126710775
How does this work exactly? Take the current battle, fuck with the variables, but change nothing else? I can't imagine it could fuck with drop rates or anything.
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>>126710950
dear anon-kun, it's a test apk LOL
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Holy shit, doing Tamamo Cat's interlude gets rid of stun from NP.
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>>126710969
>Mashu's third skill now does a taunt instead of Battle continuation
Why can't it be both?
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>>126710820
nah he probably not dead

though maybe he'is not penultimate boss, but last before the penultimate

penultimate boss probably still the beast
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I NEED MORE TICKETS
NOW
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Jack's final interlude battle is a 400K shadow Jack, jesus christ.
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>>126711007
JEANNE WHEN
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>>126710950
>cheatapk-fags are gonna get banned just watch!!!
>6 months later
>they sure are feeling their bans right now
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>still no Astolfo
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>>126710539
I wonder if they'll manage to push something in before the obligatory Valentine's event. My pessimism wants to say no, but they pleasantly surprised us by pulling off the Honnouji event when we were all expecting waiting 2 weeks for the Christmas event.
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>>126710828
SOON
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>>126710927
I wonder which Hassan it was who specialized in the dildo whip. Seems apprpriate for Shinji, though.

>>126711025
So Manaka was the final boss all along?
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>tfw new servers so no compensation quartz because servers are ded
JUST
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>Mordred helps Mashu get her next Ascension

Based
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>>126710893
>George,Ushi,Boudica,Mary & Anne,Santa Alter
Not even in their NP
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>>126711113
They'll probably come out with something new in a couple of weeks.
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>>126711007
Please be real.
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>>126710558
it drop pages, i just got one from the harry potta clothes quest
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>>126711150
Tomorrow is compensation.
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>>126711150
compensation always comes with daily rewards retard
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>>126710969
This gives me hope that they will change her upgraded NP's effect. Going from D rank to B+++ and the only differences is getting a 10-30% increased debuff resistance on overcharge is far too shitty.
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>>126710585
>reskinned first sprite of NR that drop pages
I fucking called it.
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This is what 665 quartz gave me...I refunded it but no fucking mordred fuck.

Do I even have a right to be pissed off? My friends are telling me I got good shit even if they are dupes.
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>>126711007
Holy shit what.
That has to be a fucking lie
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>>126710630
Who's the artist? Takeuchi?
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>>126710439
Feel free to remove once Cirno updates
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>>126711192
>>126711194
Not that quartz, I mean the quartz that we would get if the servers crashed like they used to with every event/release
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>>126710775
Can you use Alter Lancers NP with that? can you post it and her animations
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>>126711150
The fact that their servers are seriously not dying anymore is a surprise, I expected them to get a bigger potato not a functional server.
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>>126710505
>>126710558
>>126711186
Are there Homunculi enemies in London? I think that's the last drop we need.
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>>126711219
Tomorrow you faggot.
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>>126711231
yes there are
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>>126711231
Lots, like, lots lots. Been fighting them for about 8 story missions in a row now.
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>>126711192
>>126711194
He is saying that we will not get extra gems because the new servers are stable.
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>>126711231
>Are there Homunculi enemies in London?
Sure do.
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>>126711249
>being illiterate
fuck off
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>>126711231
I got three homo babies so far only doing the story quests.
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Hogwarts is pretty nice.

>pick support with kaleido
>charge NP
>shuffle cards to get combo
>???
>profit

Easy bosskiller.
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>>126711204
It is

>>126711007
Made me check, congrats guy
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>>126711202
TAMAMO
A
M
A
M
O
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>>126711278
faggot
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>>126711202
If you got a bunch of decent CEs then I guess it was worth it.
Tamamo is pretty niche, kekalot is eh, not sure about Frankenmoe (and other new servants), Vlad works well in an art team (with waver for example), Waver is a great support, D'Eon can help with keeping a berserker alive but is pretty lackluster overall and Liz is a support that can deal decent damage.
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>>126711202
>This is what 665 quartz gave me...I refunded it but no fucking mordred fuck.
Wait, you still get to keep the rolls?
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>>126710874
Maybe no.

Oh I forgot that to remove jeanne alter from list, don't use her because it's bugged.

>>126710997
Change variable BEFORE battle. Disable cheat if you don't want to use it.

And it's suggested to use servant with the same deck color for swapped servant included NP (e.g. 3B2A1Q for another 3B2A1Q) .
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>>126711258
>>126711260
>>126711271
>>126711281
That's it, boys. Nothing stands between us and our favorite Servant maxing out everything besides a lot of grinding.
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>>126711202
You've got a nice Arts team right there, it could be way worse.
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>everyone saying London will be shit
>turns out its the best chapter
Fancy that
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I dreamed that I rolled 4 Tamamos. Then I woke up and remembered I have no quartz.
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>final ascension art in party screen
My dick
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>>126711359
Sakurai is the best after all
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>>126711338
Your new is showing.
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>>126711202
>Jing Ke
W A I F U
A
I
F
U
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>>126711338

No he doesn't, DW is going to take them away when they hand out the login rewards.
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>>126711007
Mother fucker, wasted apples and skipped through for this bullshit.
I will never believe fgog again
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>>126711007
On another note, Tamamo Cat more useful now than JETS with NP upgrade?
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Who else is grinding through the rome or okeanos with 50% down to get to london?
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>>126711359
It's only best chapter because they shit out Lancer Alter in it. Fuck you
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I thought they said you could grand summon with tickets now? I have 10 and no option to grand summon with them is coming up.
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So, nobody is talking about how jewish it is that we now have multiple world unlocks?
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>>126711390
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>>126710551
>Takeuchi drew this
Jesus he's gone far over these twelve years.
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>Go to some facebook FGO group
>See >>126709148
>They thought it was true
>Tried to explain but they still persistently said it was true
I'm never going there again.
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>>126711403
you literally just start playing or something?
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>>126711356
>Best new servants
>Best story
>Zouken and Solomon are the big bads
10/10 chapter.
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>>126711390
Did all that in 10mins?
Damn anon. You must've been really hyped there.
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Sakurai sure loves Tesla. Reading Tesla's bio is like reading the biggest fanfiction wank ever.

THE MAN WHO GAVE ZEUS' LIGHTNING TO MANKIND. ALL PRAISE TESLA!
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>dat wink
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>>126711402
>stuns
>no follow up turn to abuse the 20 or so stars she shits out
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>>126711359
No one said that the story would be shit.
They said the the gacha was shit
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>>126711413
What?

>>126711410
You can grandusmmon, just not with Tickets.
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>>126711413
It's... honestly ok since it keeps us from finishing it in like 1-2 hours
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>>126711382
>>126711385
I know that I'm being new, but if DW was competent enough they'd actually bother to put the account, at least the servant/CE boxes at where it was before the roll.

Can I get one spoonfeeding? It's not even in the refund pastebin iirc
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>>126711453
Thought what was true? nigga make some sense.
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>>126711475
The EXPs needed are fucking bullshit though.
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>>126711471
I'm not surprised. Sakurai already wrote an entire VN featuring Tesla as an MC.
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>>126711471
If tesla is that good then Newton is literally God.
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>all skills are level 1 again
this might be a bit hard
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Do you have to beat London to roll Mordred? I want her now
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>>126711492
>>126711494
Tesla and Arturia Lancer Alter are both world unlocks which means once their rate-up happens and passes you'll never be able to roll them outside of the story gacha which is fucking horrible to roll
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>>126711471
>Tesla's bio
Post it
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>>126711471
F/GO X Nobunagun when?
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>>126711530
That's why I'm starting early.

I just hope I won't realize in the middle of some fight in London that I'm fucked because I don't have dodge.
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so is london mainly assassins?
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>>126711379
It isn't her first time writing about fictional and historical characters in London after all.
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>>126711471
It's okay it's thanks to Sakurai that we finally have a good 5* gatcha Archer
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>>126711530
>NP charge gives a 20% boost from level 1

It's worth it though senpai
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>>126711495
>DW being that competent.
>>126711483
Well I just rolled a dupe Tamamo Cat so I'm debating whether I should replace my JETS with her since her NP2 is 1000% attack damage with interlewds vs JET's NP1 600% attack damage.
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>>126711572
Assassins and Lancers.
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>>126711471
That's pretty normal both in Fate and real life.
The entire goddamn point of this series is that heroic spirits are crystallized legend; they are not just the mortal man who ran around on earth, but the deification that followed after.
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>Even Mordred is starting to feel bad for bullying/bossing Mashu so much
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>Andersen shit talking Mordred

Based
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When are the prism tickets getting refilled?
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>>126711645
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>>126711471
Do you not fight tesla and Zouken this chapter?
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>Battlesuits
SHINJI. GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT
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>>126711560
I wonder if they'll keep Tamamo and Jack to the story gacha too. It would be lame as hell to roll the event gacha if they kept limiting the pool like that, but I wouldn't put it past them.
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>>126711645
In 10 minutes, when maintenance ends
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>>126711642
He shits on Solomon too, doesn't give a fuck.
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>>126711542
I wonder if they made the EXP this absurd on purpose. It seems like that's the amount of EXP needed for Master Level 11.
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>>126711645
Maybe after they finally expire?
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>>126711603
>DW being that competent.
I'll take that as a yes, so you get to keep 600-700 stone's worth of gacha for free for 3 times huh.

Better use it carefully.
Thanks
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>>126711542
Damn Gudako looks good in that.

The fierce look on her face doesn't hurt either.
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>>126711642
Andersen's reason d'etre in Fate is shit talking everyone.
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>>126711623
It's either two things you need to be to become a superior servant.

1. Have a bullshit legend (Herakles, Karna, Arthur)
2. Be a real human but has done something fucking amazing for the sake of humankind or defeated impossible odds. (Da Vinci, Drake, Tesla)

I like the latter more.
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DW fucked up
The 300k demon for the plug suit quest has 120% death rate
So with a 300% hassan NP it should ALWAYS die

Unless I am misinterpreting the DR values as another byte. Shouldn't be though. I cross-checked it with the other mobs (romans have 120%, ghosts have 108%, the automatons in the first london quest have 90%)
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>>126711540
>Newton
>Implying he did anything but steal other peoples work and monetarize it
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>Tfw atlas is the cutest but outside letting me do 6 turns of casko buff, its pretty shit
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>craft essences are party-seperated

ABOUT GODDAMN TIME
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>>126711645
In 3 days.
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Who [126] here?
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>>126711753
Yeah it only seems helpful for curing Jeanne and lowering skill cooldowns on Tamamo/Waver. I'm gonna just work on the Magic Association outfit.
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>>126711712
Best part that it's all true and he doesn't sugarcoat shit.
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>Jekyll can switch classes
>Paracelsus is actually good
>Solomon looks ridiculous and easily BTFOs Gil with his powerlevel
>motherfucking wormgeezer shows up
Holy fuck, this turned out better than anticipated.
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Huh, so there's a blank space for Solomon in the pokedex? Maybe we'll get him even sooner, or maybe beating him unlocks his full profile until we can roll him?
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Anyone else loving the new shuffle skill?
I can use Kintoki's NPBB whenever I want now.
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>>126711751
>implying
He was a fucking prick but he didn't steal
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Rank top 5 saber from top tp bottom

Okita
Alterra
Modred
Arthur
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>go to heal Arturia
>skills have been reversed in order for some fucking reason
>notice too late
>give her invincibility instead
What the fuck Delight Works, for what purpose
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>>126711831
Yes, it's based as fuck. Makes setting up crit bursts or NP-EX chains a breeze.
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>>126711818
Is Solomon in the gacha?
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>>126711867
>top 5
>4 sabers
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>>126711909
eryone else is shit
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>>126711867
Nero
D'eon
Alter
Caesar
Fergus
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>>126711901
Don't think so. Just his profile in the datamine.
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>>126711831
>>126711885
Does it just reshuffle the whole deck?
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Solomon vs ORT
Who wins?
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>>126711867
Siegfried
Caesar
Gilles
Arturia
gawain
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>Hogwarts is for arts team
>battlesuit for berserkers
>atlus is useless

About right?
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u jelly?
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>>126711956
>Caesar above anyone
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>"Fourth singularity death boundaries Makiri city London"
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>>126711202
That's some A-rank luck, man.

You got four 5* servants when you'd have been expected to get 1.66. Though your 4* servant amount was precisely the expected one.
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>>126711202
Were you able to get your refund? Or did you get the refund before it charged your card?

Anyways, I feel that with all the minor enhancement and optimization that DW is doing, they might start closing down on the refund shenanigans.
You can't do that with Hearthstone and Pazudora, right? There's gotta be a way to stop it.
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>>126711829
It's actually fully unlocked, as in you can read his full bio, see his stats, etc.
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>>126712024
Sounds about right.
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>>126712025
Nah, I already got best lancer.
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>>126712025
Post her skills
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>>126712024
Atlus gives 4 homo babies and 4 chimera claws.
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>>126712024
Hogwarts is more for Quick team, to be honest.
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>>126712106
Holy shit.
I'll go full whale for him.
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>>126711642
What does he say?
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>>126711991
ORT is an attack-type lifeform with no weaknesses when battling on earth. Earth's laws do not apply when you fight it. Why would you assume extreme damage might even matter under the physics system of Mercury?
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>>126712131
Prana burst, crit weight/damage and charisma
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>>126712025
>Spreads her legs for a horse
fucking disgusting
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>>126712131
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>>126712106
New Jeanne Alter.
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>>126712174
Wonder what he says about alice.
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Any changes to binding? I see something changed but I can't read moonrunes.
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Battle suit is kinda overpowered. The team swapping skill also shuffles your cards so it's a 2 for 1 thingy.

>>126712024
>battlesuit for berserkers

It's also for NP chaining.
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>>126712194
>>126712214
Shit, that's pretty damn good.
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>Mordred has custom animations
>Saber doesn't
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>>126712106
Post skills
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>>126712106
He is getting the Alter Jeanne fate, isn't he?
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>>126712214
So just Saber Alter skills

Need to see her NP/animations
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>>126712214
Post battle animations and NP
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>>126712214
Not bad. I wonder what bonus effect the second skill has compared to instinct
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>>126712265
Are you blind? It's only the biography. No sprite and no skills, np, etc.
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>>126712024
Hogwarts can work for almost all teams.
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What does von Hohenheim's unique skills do?
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>>126711879
Fuck, thought it was just me.
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Why is this allowed?
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>>126712285
Why would you say that? He's the mastermind of this grand order situation.
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>>126712307
Skills are already leaked you slowpoke. It's a shittier version of Scathach's rng skill but instead of dodge it gives low amount of stars.
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>>126712324
Full team arts buff
Basically a better medea and mozart
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>>126712241
Can you change just one servant to the back or does it force the whole party to the back for the reserve three?
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It has been so long that i've forgotten what this feels like.
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GATLING DRIVER!
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>>126712347
is that namonashi's works for C89?
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Anyone else feel like Babbagge looks like a Reaverbot
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>>126712389
Cost!!
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>>126712241
Does it retain the NP charge when the servant gets switched out?
>Charge Kintoki with his 2nd skill
>Move him to the back
>AOE NP spam until one enemy left
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Where is the cheat apk updated?
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>>126712389
>increase AP
>increase friend list
>increase cost
DW finally did an update worth praising.
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>>126712193
Isn't all that firepower that Solomon has kind of impractical their a plenty of one hit kill np and what makes Excalibur and EA so strong is they can be spammed and EA anti world concept like on rider realty marble 1 million Excaliburs seem kind pointless on anything that not a type.
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>>126712378
You pick one servant from your frontline and one from your backline. They swap, the cards then get shuffled. Simple.
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>>126712434
>Reaverbot
Fuck you for reminding me.
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>>126712389
It's gonna take a longer time to level up now....
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>>126712389
>More friends
FInally I will be able to save everyone
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>>126712025
>The only good version of Lancer Alter.
She needs to stay dressed.
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>>126712214
Prana burst A+
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>>126712486
You can't save everyone, anon
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>>126712389
I was so focused on cost that i forgot that our ap goes up too
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Mordred just dere'd. Cute.
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Why is she so evil, /fgog/?
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Are there books in London or are they only in the Hogwarts outfit quest? (Aside from Alice, obviously)
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TAKE THAT YOU FIENDO
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>>126712493
Lancer alter, mordred on first sprite and then add Lancelot for full on knight beat down.
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>>126712528
>caring about cost more than AP and friends
All I ever wanted was to be able to sleep without panicking about AP overflowing.
20 extra is not enough
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