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Remember to BUMP THE FUCKING THREAD every three hours please.
I am here, and I am NOT queer!
So, as I was saying, a lot of games are hesitant on the gay, requiring the player to make the first move, making all the gay routes have 'friendship' endings possible instead of only romance, while the het ones just go straight for I LOVE YOU LET'S MAKE BABIES.
Have you noticed this? Does it bother you? Would you prefer it if het routes had friendship options too?
I'm frankly amused by how /evn/ used to be the place where the KS-clones would shit on each other. Now that there are evidently at least one or two BL devs here, the claws are out.
It's fun to watch.
>>125608691
> people becoming more critical in their consumption
oh no, the humanity!
>>125608276
Yes, it bothers me. If it's gay, commit to it and make it gay.
>>125609453
Does it make a difference if it's a gay route in a mostly-het game vs an all-gay game?
I remember being surprised at how very not-gay Asphyxia was.
>>125609074
I'm not complaining. It's more entertaining to see fresh faces shitting on each other instead the same old group of jaded guys. I believe in diversity!
>>125608691
I am not a BL/GL dev, but I play them myself. It's annoying when those types of games are "lite" on the gay to accommodate those who don't even like the genre.
>>125609628
Yes. To this day I'm still mad about True Love 95 making me play the gay route until to end in a black screen with a "haha and then we dated" note.
Fuck that.
>>125609628
Yes it makes a difference. The "gay route" in het games are so few and far between there's really no point in even mentioning them. BL/GL games are already small enough already but yet evn devs are trying to shove in "no homo" in such a small pool of games that it tends to stand out. There are so many Het games in comparison.
>>125609731
I'm a massive hypocrite, because I kind of hate that in games, but I can't bring myself to write an entire cast full of nothing but 100% gay people.
>>125609992
>The "gay route" in het games are so few and far between there's really no point in even mentioning them.
Don't most het games have a gay route? I thought it was pretty common in otome and bioware and stuff.
>>125609886
The copout ending bugs me. I don't mind the gay route being harder to get than the main one, though, but if I've gone to the effort I want my proper gay end.
>>125609996
It doesn't have to be 100% gay people. Nobody is arguing about that. People are arguing that people are shoving no homo into gay games that are being marketed as gay games.
>>125610221
You obviously don't play a lot of het games. No they do not. And if they do, it's a joke route. Although in the Evn scene it's beginning to change a little bit with het games. But not enough to where it's actually noticeable.
>>125609731
I feel the same way.
Granted, there are also players who want to see homo MCs in a game that isn't so heavily focused on sex and romance. It doesn't appear to be a very big group, but they ARE out there.
>>125610282
If the MC is gay and all 4-6 love interests are gay how is that not 100% gay people?
>>125612064
Again, missing the point. We're talking about toning down the gay in a game that's marketed and referred to as Boy's love.
Is the BL audience even okay with that half-assed no-homo option bullshit? I've heard people bitch endlessly about Japanese BL games just because a love interest mentions having been interested in women at some point.
I don't even know why you'd want to cater to the no-homo-bromo audience. They're usually not even concerned about the actual porn/romance in BL, but the notion that they couldn't possibly empathize with an MC who doesn't want to fuck girls.
>>125608276
I'd like it in general if I could just find out the various characters' stories without necessarily falling in love with them.
>>125612247
But that's what I'm trying to say though? Even if I'm setting out to write a BL game, I have a really hard time conceptualising and characterising a gay protagonist and a completely gay set of romance options, unless he's meeting them _at a gay bar_. If you're just supposed to be meeting these people as you go along, I feel stupid writing them all gay.
But at the same time I'm annoyed by the prospect of being given five datable guys and then finding out that the one I went for is straight.
>>125610221
I'll give it to you in your proper gay end.
>>125608276
I don't know if I would prefer either game having friendship + romance options. Either the story is going to introduce a romance subplot and resolve it, or it's going to introduce a friendship and resolve it. I think the focus on what the relationship is about needs to be made clear from the start, and that waffling on it can weaken the entire story, since every character interaction needs to then be framed from a romance/non-romance perspective.
If you do the branch, it should be early, that way you can build either a romance story or a friendship story, but I think just deciding the relationship from the outset is the best way to go. The decision point needs to be early enough that the rest of the story continues logically from it-- if it's too late, than all the logic leading to that point is weakened.
>>125613239
>But at the same time I'm annoyed by the prospect of being given five datable guys and then finding out that the one I went for is straight.
Queen at arms did this in inverse (MC falls in love with a gay guy) and it annoyed me to no end.
The thing is, you can have both men and women as LIs, what you can't do it have a Boy's Love game with scenes like your MC waking up with a boyfriend and then give "opt out" options for the benefit of no one.
>>125613590
>I'll give it to you in your proper gay end.
The example we are talking about is a literal black screen. Gay route confessed to MC and then... cut to a black screen with narration about how they became and item.
>>125613770
i believe that sir was attempting an innuendo, master.
>>125613770
So to explain the joke, the joke I was making is that I would fuck you in your "proper gay end". This is where end means your rear end, or ass. I was making a joke where a "proper gay end" is a metaphor for your butt. That was the joke. Thank you for making me explain it, I'm sure it will be of benefit to everyone else in the thread.
--
My sincere reply to your opinion is that it's useless to not develop a gay relationship and then provide some sort of "and they lived gaily ever after" in the ending title.
I think I would rather heavily imply gay/lesbian romances with side characters. But I like my protagonists to have fixed sexual orientation.
They are either straight, bi, or gay from the start and that is who they are. I think that about all of my characters. You cannot just romance someone who is a lesbian and convert them to the church of cock. If that is possible, they were/are not really a lesbian.
I think as a writer you have your own preconceived notions about sexuality. Mine is that sexuality has very little room for choice and is mostly a fixed characteristic (even if that state is an openness to either gender). If your opinion is different, I think that allows for differences in how you handle it-- you could believe that all people are essentially pan-sexual and just need the right persuasion. That is a legitimate world view though it clashes with mine.
>>125613916
> gay porn game
> having sex too early locks you out of the good ends
>>125614875
I'm confused. There's a LI that fucks you right away, as well as the dates that were added in the last update.
>actually bought BCM
>really want to play it
>download is going to take an hour
kill me
>>125615258
That's only for Jed - having sex with Alex, Phil or Brad at the first chance gives you their bad ends.
>>125615348
Make sure to post your impressions of it, I was thinking of playing it as well.
>>125614875
bioware does that too, don't they? Agree to sex when it's offered and that just proves you don't really love him/her!
>>125615530
Given that one is your professor, the other is a snob, and the last is in the closet, I somehow doubt having sex with them early would make much sense.
>>125615645
I might. I had fun doing the last live play I did.
Can someone post KS progress google spreadsheet?
>>125617673
This one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iXoXAGwxbsaptbju279SZNvKPHfw_bKGwJjFr51SEso/edit?usp=sharing
I'm starting up BCM, friends!
I never played the demo or anything so this is a whole new experience. Not sure if I'll post as I play though.
>>125619168
Yes and thank you.
Why does My Little DIctator have a patreon when it got its funds from KS?
>>125620907
feature creep.
>>125620856
Post as you play, it'd be nice to liven up the thread with thoughts related to an /evn/.
Be fair when discussing it, try to find the good and the bad, or really, you can just focus on the positive-- we have a lot of negative discussion and there's no way any title will escape being railed, so maybe try something different at the start.
>>125620856
Okay first thing of note, I like it when sprites blink but I know some of you hate it. The blinking is kind of odd? I don't know how to explain it but the movement feels smoother.
Also this music is fucking nice.
>>125621061
I did one before that wasn't great, but I tried to be positive about that one.
>>125621019
I hope the backers are happy about that.
>>125621178
So far, Shuuki has ditched his boyfriend at the love hotel because he wouldn't wake up. Things are rocky in their relationship!
I adore the GUI but... Where's the return button on this screen? It's on settings but not save or load. Uh?
Better caps soon.
>>125621665
I'm fucking weak this is cute.
It is July 23, 2012. I'm really bad at keeping track of time travel, but for your sakes, I'll post the date when it changes.
I'll start spoilering things after I get through this prologue chapter.
>>125621665
Don't listen to >>125621061
If something is shit, make sure to talk about it. Don't force positiveness.
>>125621665
Is it not that X in the top right, nor the little arrow with the box next to it?
>>125621937
>-ue
what
Natsume is passed out on the porch. Good going, Natsume. Not sure how I feel about his sprite being there, but I'm not sure what I would do in that position either besides a CG and in a game that's as big as this apparently is, I can see why there isn't one.
Also this game has a FUCKING TEXT LOG I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY.
>>125622008
I'm bad at forced positivity, so I won't, but I'm not going to shit on it for the sake of shitting on it.
I'm going to have fun with this and I hope you guys have fun too!
> japanese honorifics in english text
whyyyy
>>125622331
ani-ue is apparently proper speak for big brother.
>>125622331
I want to see these fucking giraffes.
>>125622293
X exits the game, other box is the main menu. The return button is in the bottom right.
I did figure out, however, that I can right click to escape! I should've fucking known that. I hope they fix that GUI glitch though.
>>125622537
Thank you, anon! I'm pretty familiar with honorifics, but that's a new one for me.
>>125622331
One of the many ways to say older brother.
That said
>using it in a game written in English
How terrible. I hope there isn't more.
>>125621937
>>125622331
Why does this read like a shitty translation
>>125622650
Behold! The text log!
I want to hug Natsume.
>>125622489
>>125622671
There's more honorifics, but they didn't say "itadakimasu" so that's a plus? Japanese phrases in English stories don't bother me a whole lot, as long as it's not obnoxious and featuring "B-Baka!"
>>125623130
>stir fry
>made in a few minutes
Uh.
>>125623130
Part of the reason I don't mind honorifics is because they give me little personality and relationship bits without saying much.Also aniki is cute.
... Also, does anyone remember if this used to have an incest tag on it? I swear it was in the old ollllld WIP thread but I don't think it is anymore. It's been a long ass time though.
>>125623338
Stir-fry doesn't take hours, dude. It cooks fast in very hot pans.
>>125622671
That honorific, and there are ones for every member of your family, like most Japanese honorfics are based on status. In this case if you said "Aniue" or "Chichiue" it would be because your brother or father is like royal blood or you're in a family that is so extremely prestigious you treat your family as royalty.
>>125623578
I expected Shuuki to be the one worried about calories.
Also every time I see Shuuki's sprite, I just wonder how fucking long his hair takes in the morning. How long does he spend on that shit. Holy fuck. I've had long hair and it's a pain in the ass. I can't imagine this kind of hell.
>>125623783
>athlete worried about carbs
>>125623617
A few minutes? At the least, 15 minutes. Have you ever cooked before?
>>125623783
VOTE!
The context is about carby foods being too heavy and causing sleepiness.
I'm going to go get some shitty Chinese food from my fridge. We continue in 13 minutes at the most, votes or no votes.
>>125623946
I cook almost everything I eat. You can easily make stir fry in 8-10 minutes.
>>125624094
Fuck my image fell off. Sorry about that.
>>125624283
First one. Tell the free loader to make his own damn food!
>>125624283
Make your own.
>>125623946
You just have a shitty stove.
>>125624283
WE CONTINUE!
That's right Shuuki. Call your brother on being an ass. And a fool for turning down FREE FRESH FOOD.
Votes:
>>125624416
>>125624451
>>125625241
That's right, Masa. Eat the fucking food and don't be such a dipshit.
>>125625536
It's 5AM and you've been nothing but combative since you came on screen. Maybe you should go to sleep, Masa.
I still want to see those giraffes.
>>125625965
Chapter one begins, friends!
Should I start using spoiler tags or would later be better?
>>125625965
What's with the unneeded hostility? Did I miss something?
>>125626168
Use spoilers when you get the part where the trial ends. Like, chapter 3.
>>125626253
First Natsume dared to ask if he wanted food and Masaharu just got stupidly aggressive from there.
Sorry for the lack of detail. Would more screencaps be better or more summarization?
>>125626168
I'm buying this myself, and I'll be coming back to read your caps later, so it personally doesn't matter to me.
>>125626168
So Shuuki's preening himself in the bathroom and Masaharu wants in and starts to shave.
There is nothing to shave. Shuuki notes this.
Somehow, Masaharu manages to study all night but not know what "exfoliate" means. I don't understand how someone doesn't pick up that term, at least in passing, over the years. How do you not read it at least once?
>>125626508
Gonna try the summarization route for now. Enjoy it when you play!
>>125626413
Noted! I'll do that unless there's some serious objection.
>>125626912
The problem with having had long hair for years is that when I see characters with long hair, I focus way too much on the details. How isn't his hair fried already?
Also this narrative style (with the parentheses) annoys the shit out of me. Just stick with the italics pleeeeeease.
>>125626461
More summarization, more images will result in too many posts.
>>125623946
Stirfry should take between 5-10 minutes, ideally shorter. You might not know how to stir fry. Most of the concern is actually burning things.
Maybe if you have a shitty induction stove it takes longer, but if you're cooking with gas, it's not at all hard (the stove pictured is a gas range cooktop >>125624283 )
>>125627196
J-Just let him sleep... Christ.
Also Masa's personality can be summed up as: angry.
There's not much to summarize here. They're going to school! Shuuki is flawless and beautiful this morning.
>>125627196
> He straightens all that hair
> By himself
Calling bullshit right now.
>>125627196
>Also this narrative style (with the parentheses) annoys the shit out of me. Just stick with the italics pleeeeeease.
IMO italics suck for anything more than a short sentence, and in many fonts they either look bad or it's hard to tell at a glance that it's thoughts instead of speech.
Not saying your preference is wrong though
Yeah im also buying BCM tomorrow. If you want to post some funny stuff go ahead but i'd prefer you spoiler the key stuff.
>>125627196
I've straightened my hair for years - it won't fry if you apply the correct products before and after, but at his length it would probably take him a good two-three hours plus the time to braid it.
>>125627514
I have hair almost down to my ass and have no trouble.
>>125628041
Doesn't he do it every morning though? I thought doing it every day would definitely fry your hair.
>>125627467
They made it to school! With bentos because Natsume's a good brother and not just Mr. McPissyPants all the time.
Shuuki has unfortunately run into Ryou. Ryou isn't happy about getting charged a fee for staying in the room past the time limit.
Shuuki has been reading too much Clamp. Shuuki, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that you're fabulous boyfriend material either.
>>125627842
I can agree about shitty italic fonts. You can't always just tell the font to be italic-- sometimes you have to get the italic version of the font.
Even so, some fonts just are shit with italics. So I can see why you WOULDN'T want a bunch of italics!
>>125628163
Heat protection spray plus and ironing shampoo wll do the trick.
How do I go about marketing my game? And getting sites to review it? Any tips?
>>125630221
Sell it to Sekai.
>>125630221
Shill it everywhere, post youtube videos, gib demo. Kickstarter VN usually get an article.
>>125630221
>How do I go about marketing my game?
First step - you have to be willing to actually mention your game's name to people, even knowing that they may shit on you.
>And getting sites to review it?
If your game doesn't look like complete ass, or looks like complete ass in an entertaining way, you get sites to review it by asking them to and giving them a free copy.
>>125628464
Ryou punched Shuuki after Shuuki insulted his dick and other assorted insults.
Now we meet Shuuki's friend! Maybe friend.
>>125631235
Okay guys, I gotta head to bed for the night. Next post will be VOTING again!
Thanks for reading along! Have a good night, everyone!
>>125630584
How do I do this? Just hit them up with an email? How much percentage do they take?
>>125631025
Unfortunately, no kickstarter for me. Too risky.
>>125631181
I will have no problems mentioning it when I am more than 80% finished.
>>125631181
Also, what sites do you recommend for visual novels?
>>125632001
>Unfortunately, no kickstarter for me. Too risky.
Only if you are a backer. Kickstart almost completed game. You won't be the first to do that.
>>125631780
Thanks. Looking forward to playing this.
>>125632001
>How do I do this?
Look as good or better than A More Beautiful World.
>Taosym comparing his fetishistic futa porn games to kids facing homophobia growing up and committing suicide
wew lad
>>125632903
Compare a situation where a faggot kills himself over words to a situation where a faggot kills himself over words. I can't see a damn difference.
>>125632903
Tao could be the Jay Naylor of VN.
>>125632903
Next time, 'Embrace Futa or You'll Cause Suicides' Edition
>>125638440
That sounds like "Convert to Islam or die" Edition.
>>125639724
That's every edition, brother.
>>125640005
Inshallah, brother.
>>125640005
يموت
Allahu Akbar every 3 hours while the Christians and Fedoras sleep.
You guys will pay for your shitposting one day. You better watch out.
>>125641949
العمل على اللعبة
>>125642181
Muhbackgrounds
>>125642181
If you're left, all you can do is whine.
If you're right, you can grab a gun
>>125642181
I shitposted just once in all the years I've been here and felt bad. Does it count as redemption?
>>125642181
As-salamu alaykum
>>125642758
أنصرف
>>125642181
Why dont you post about your game? :) After all, it can only help.
>>125635560
'Could be'?
>>125642923
You first.
>>125642181
We're just enriching the thread, that's all.
>>125642995
That's what I thought. Next time do something about it if you're going to whine about shitposts.
Why are euroshitters the fucking worst with shitposting? Are any of you even making a game?
>>125643260
Why euro? It's not even midnight in California
See what conflict enriching brings?
>>125644515
Kill the bastard.
>>125644591
You Westerners are so violent.
Guys how do I not get triggered by bishoujo games?
>>125643260
I'm at work, bored, and the thread needs bumping. Ebin /wm/ may mays are a perfect solution.
>>125651263
Don't worry mate, we will keep the thread halal and kosher while the infidels are at work.
>>125651239
Get laid
I am going to the library tomorrow so I can write! Hopefully I will find a spot where no one can overlook my shoulder to see me writing porn! Good luck writing everyone!
>>125652570
Y-you too.
>evn when vng exists
Well I did not expect to see this when browsing the catalog.
>>125642181
I would most likely end up offing myself without shitposting. This year sucked and this right here is my therapy, and I'm glad I get to share it with you guys.
>>125642181
but I don't have any money
you're not suggesting anything lewd, are you?
>>125658271
2016 will be our year, anon
>>125642181
Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son, Ben Solo, and Han dies.
>>125659843
>Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son
did Leia get kuk'd?
>>125659971
Not as bad, but almost. He didn't say he was married.
Yes, retcon married,
>>125659843
I didn't even give a shit about the new star wars, but this still kind of upsets me.
>>125660220
bravo JewJew Abrahams
>>125659843
I've never seen a Star Wars movie in my life so this doesn't mean anything to me.
>>125643147
That wasn't me and I was joking, not whining.
Does anyone have advice for making characters cute but believable?
Sometimes I struggle to break out of using the same narrative style for characters (i.e. my own way of thinking/acting) otherwise I end up using cliches by mistake and archetypes.
How can I maintain some aspects of the cliche (i.e. tsundere) so that the character has some anime cuteness/comedy, but also write believable, enjoyable waifus?
>>125664768
Simple but believable and common flaws?
>>125657667
/evn/ is more about developing and shitting on/helping/getting excited for other projects. /vn/ is mostly just reading
>>125667753
The only difference between /evn/ and /vn/ is that e in the beginning. People talk about dev here because they're making said EVNsand/or are /agdg/ rejects.and don't read others because they're all shit and they're going to be the savior.
>>125668613
Welcome back Tao
It's looking pretty tight for Quantum Suicide, a shame they required 30k and not something closer to 20.
>tfw got background after seeing artist's work
>tfw it'sshit
Okay, not shit, but a LOT worse than what they had in their dA. My suspicions of them just drawing over game screenshots have deepened.
>>125671726
Hey, at least you posted it.
Remember that people tend to lead with their best/most time consuming stuff. Try to check the quality of other commissions so you get an idea.
Personally, I'd recommend trying to connect a bit more with an artist before investing too deeply-- then, sadly, I think you need to commission a few things to get an idea of their work and decide if you want to have them as your main artist.
Ultimately if they aren't interested in working with you long term and creating in the style that you have in mind (or one you like) it's not going to work out.
>>125671726
>Painterly style for backgrounds
whyyyyyyyyy
>>125671726
NAME AND SHAME CON ARTISTS
And speaking of painterly style, does this count? It's literally a scanned painting after all.
>>125671726
how much did you pay if you don't mind saying?
>>125669104
Thanks JP, good to be back.
>>125674313
>scanned painting
That looks like a 3d model with a filter over it, what are you talking about?
>>125671726
What's the guys name?
>>125675081
No, I swear. I saw the raw pieces in legal size paper. But I do admit that the lighting effect was done via photoshop.
>>125673923
Yeah, I get that. There was very little on their page, and I'm not even the project leader or anything so I didn't find them. I'm another artist, kind of in charge of the assets/direction I think.
>>125673961
I don't mind them, but yeah, I generally like SOME lineart and leaner edges.
>>125674023
>>125674784
>>125675197
0 dollars. Again, not the project leader, so she just kind of came in after the leader showed me her work. Considering it's a for free project I wasn't expecting much, but I at least expected... a little bit of effort.
>>125675612
>it's a for free project
yeah, that explains everything tbqh familia. Also it's a bit mean to call the work they've provided for free shit even if it is.
>>125675807
I'm going to dump some garbage on your desk. Don't complain about it, though; it's free.
>>125675807
The only reason I'm actually upset is that they're extremely uppity about it, in that they're saying they want to be paid at the end if possible and is only donating out of goodwill. I'd rather just stick with our other BG artist than deal with this attitude.
>>125675894
I didn't ask for that garbage now, did I.
>>125676192
They didn't ask for garbage, either.
I seriously don't understand this mindset of "it's free, so you can't criticize it."
>>125676281
A better analogy would be: I want an apple, you say "hey I've got one" and bring it to me, it turns out to be all faded and a bit wormy. What do I, as a polite human being, do in this situation? Say "thank you" and don't eat your apple, but also don't go aroundtelling people how much you suck for bringing me this shitty old apple you've probably found in your backyard.
No, I got lost in my own metaphor, sorry, I should obviously still warn people you like to give away bad apples.
Carry on.
>>125676625
I'm not saying they suck, I'm saying their apple sucks, especially after handing me the apple with a wink and a hand wave saying "You're lucky you get this much".
>>125676625
Hope you feel great about yourself when someone pays for a wormy apple.
>>125652570
Update: I am at the library and found a good spot. Nobody is here...
>>125681616
Why on earth did you go to the library to write?
Quick guys, remind me that Love in Space as a developer and the Sunrider series is shit.
I've got an itch to patreon them five bucks a month to get into their beta and I need to cut that shit off at the pass.
>complaining about free background artist
Just filter photos, then.
>>125681801
Because being in public usually makes me more focused. Under the judging eyes of others I am more likely to do my work. But I am literally the only person here. It's just a library aid and me.
>>125681616
>>125681801
Libraries are nice spaces to write. They're usually relatively deserted.
>>125682491
You know what else is deserted? Your house.
>>125682586
But not relatively deserted. I can talk to another human being if I get bored. Or pick out a book related to the subject I'm writing on if I need to do research or something.
>>125682764
You can talk to me and google books on the internet.
>>125682825
I dunno bro, I'm not sure if I trust you.
>>125683104
I've always been good to you.
>>125683309
I just got to this thread.
>>125683391
Then it's all the more true then. I've been good to you since we've met.
>>125683391
Then it's even more true. After all, they haven't had any opportunity to wrong you.
>>125682425
I'm currently writing from home, all the dialog is coming across as a bit too British
>>125684115
Are you British?
Sometimes I write with stereotypical Russian feel a bit.
>>125682038
What's the point of the Patreon? Did they not make enough money from Steam and Kickstarter? I'd think they'd have more than enough funds by now.
>>125682038
writing is nonsensial
characters are flat (and apparently the lead guy hangs on to those characters for 10 years or something)
sprite art in Sunrider is boring (just get the pack with all the lewd CGs if you want)
absolutely retarded tacked-on "gameplay" in Academy that's only there as padding
(JP is a retarded closeted bigot, but his reviews on Sunrider have some valid points. Yeah, it's so bad even JP is partially right about it.)
>>125684751
To reap more money, like all patreons.
>>125684993
I'm fairly sure I thought JP was right in at least another couple of cases.
>>125684993
Academy's gameplay was absolute shite, and instead of recycling sprites to add some minor characters and color, they did not. (I can believe you can't afford more than four routes, but I don't have to believe that you can't pay for a standard sprite) That's why I know better than to trust again
>>125685065
They've got at least 20K owners of a 30 dollar game. $600K minus Steam and Sekai's take. They've at least raked in 300K. But I guess a few extra $$$ from Patreon can't hurt.
>>125685550
And sales. Can't forget that not all copies are sold at full price.
>>125685550
And I bought it at full price.
I'm a terrible person.
>>125684993
>hanging on to a whole bunch of tits for ten years
I'm pretty sure that's normal behavior for men who are essentially stuck in space]
I do agree, though. Academy would have been 9000% better as a pure VN with time spent into making it better rather than working on a fucking management sim that is pretty queermo.
>>125687654
>Academy would have been 9000% better as a pure VN
No, it would've been better as a sim that was actually good.
>>125687847
But that's implying that they know how to make a good game.
Mou, anon. Mou!
>>125687979
What does mou mean, anyway?
>>125689048
>4. interjection used to strengthen expression of an emotion (often exasperation)
>>125689737
By who? Cows?
>>125689843
It's pronounced more like moh than moo, silly goose.
>>125690028
Made me singlehandedly like Cosette more than notdeadlittlesister.
>>125690028
Yeah well, Ava is such a cow I can imagine her saying moo instead.
>>125687847
I think it would have been better if there were more events and the calendar was shorter by about 100 days
>>125691352
I'd drink to that.
>>125691352
I managed to get to the point where I had all of the events saved, so that I can just watch events instead of playing ever again.
>>125692670
it seems like a shame because sunrider academy has all the groundwork there to be a good game, if only the devs had added more events and scenes to stop the stat raising being so mind-numbingly tedious... having a few more random background characters would also have been a nice touch, since it felt weird being able to explore this whole city and only ever running into the same 4 characters. it was weirdly desolate, like some kind of zombie apocalypse.
>>125693084
It's not bad, at least.
It just ain't good enough to be worth the 30 buckazoids I ended up paying.
>>125693084
imagine some sort of hybrid mashup between sunrider academy and magical diary
>>125693976
...yeah I'd give thirty bucks for that.
Update. I am no longer alone in the library. Some guy is trying to print something out, but he keeps messing it up. He's starting an awkward conversation with a teacher about starwars. I have two hours left before the library closes. Wish me luck.
>>125693976
I would use magic to Ava Ava's Avas.
>>125694278
You should base your dialogue on their conversation.
>>125694278
I'm in the library too. Some old dude sat down only one seat away from me when the entire library was deserted... I quickly moved to a new deserted spot
>>125697823
Why must you crush that old man's heart?
I am a library.
>>125698061
not interested in ojiisan route
>>125698727
he probably killed himself because of you
>>125699298
Bad end
>>125699298
you are not entitled to my body just because you're lonely, senpai
Does anyone want to talk about the new assets they received but not post them?
>>125702680
So the mantis is both on the floor and on the wall, at the same time? Wew lad
>>125698727
Not every route is a romantic one.
>>125702680
Library update: I was kicked out. I got about 4k writing done. Some old ladies were talking about tampons. Guy at the desk told me happy holidays as I was leaving, I didn't know how to respond, all that came out was "yesss..." and then I walked out in shame. All in all, I liked this library venture, I think I might make this a daily thing.
>>125707718
>I was kicked out
How?
>>125708731
Probably because it closed.
>>125708731
>>125708937
Yes, it closes at 5 pm because winter break starts soon.
>>125702679
I got a new background. It's okay but not amazing.
I want Santa to bring me a free top tier artist.
Add more girls with white creamy tighs to your EVNs. But only if you can draw them properly.
>>125709985
Can I make the top black so they're like Blackjack?
>>125625965
Tbh these screenshots make me want to play the game less than I did before. I haven't played the demo so I didn't know MC would be such an asshole. Do his eyes even change form or are they stuck in that 3deep5u position?
How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/? I can't stand it if they're that teenage brand of superficial asshole, makes me want to punch them in the dick. Tsundere is ok though.
>>125711117
>How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/?
I can deal with them if they get some sort of comeuppance, but if they are assholes all the time and get away with it, it gets annoying.
>>125710165
Gives a whole new meaning to "mixed race babes".
>>125712058
I generally like them, but they have to be played correctly.
Taichi from Cross Channel is a great example of an asshole MC that I feel carries a lot of the story. If he was a kind guy or some sort of flavorless blob, Cross Channel would not function as a story. He is a very broken man and well aware of who he is. This carries the plot in interesting directions.
Rance is another great example of an asshole MC. He fits in with the rules of his universe, he is an unrepentant cad, a conquering rapist, a warlord that uses force to perpetuate his immorality. He feels little if any remorse for his actions and because they have little other choice, his close comrades accept him for who he is. He is also a bit helpless-- he isn't an asshole because he "wants" to be an asshole, he's an asshole because that is who he is, he is as helpless to his urges as his victims are to resist them.
I would take an asshole over a self-insert any day of the week.
>>125711117
>How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/
It really depends. I think a lot of young writers dont realize why an asshole MC works, and that's because they use it as a means to an end but still have a moral code. It's why Mal from firefly sounds like a cunt when you read about him, but is loved as a character - he's an asshole but he protects the ones close to him with said assholeism. If he did everything without his moral code he would be the series antagonist.
I haven't played BCM yet but I would think it would be written well. The game goal seems to be to time travel and change your poor relationship with your brothers, so i think it's natural shuuki would be a cunt.
>>125711117
>I haven't played the demo so I didn't know MC would be such an asshole.
They say on his profile he's an asshole or something to that effect.
>>125713784
>I haven't played this game but I think it's written well
Nigga what.
>>125713604
I have no issues with Rance because he's so exaggerated that it becomes funny.
>>125713604
With Rance it helps that he actually does get shit done and he does do far more good than evil.
There are many people in the series who tolerate his shit because of that and others who respect him first because of his achievements and then decide not to care about the other stuff
>>125711117
I'm the opposite. I wasn't interested but for some reason the game just looks a lot better than I thought it would. I'm glad somebody posted the screenshots. I'll probably buy it this weekend.
What happened to the guy who was doing the BCM playthrough? You still here senpai?
>>125714034
Why are you cutting out my 'would be'? Also is it shit?
>>125716602
It's the exact same sentiment.
>>125713604
Cross Channel's plot allows Taichi to be an asshole without consequences. He's also a comedian and it becomes clear as time passes just how broken of a person he really is, which allows the readers to sympathize with him.
Rance can also get a pass because he too is a comedian in a world that doesn't take much of anything seriously and his rampant assault on the female gender, willing or not, tends to be in comedic situations where the worst the girl will do is say "No" while she flails around a bit. There's never any real violence, screaming, blood, etc. with him. Rancealmostalways backs off if he feels they'll genuinely be hurt by it. The only times I've seen him disregard that is when he's up against a villain.
As long as an asshole MC isn't treated as a complete edgelord and/or has some nice character development, I think they can be a very viable protagonist.
>>125716394
Hello! I went to bed last night and had work this morning.
We'll be continuing our BCM adventure in a little while!
>start BCM
>my eyes zone out and skip text at intervals
I wasn't expecting a murder mystery to have filler, but alright. Hope it picks up
>>125631780
I'm back!
So they went to school and we met Yukinari. He's smart, him and Masaharu seem to get along pretty well!
Overall it's pretty uneventful, but we've come to our choice! Natsume is asleep on his desk, though it seems he actually did his exam this time. He doesn't seem inclined to wake up.
Screencap is a little more context and the choice is a simple
>Yes, leave him.
>No, don't leave him.
VOTE and then we'll keep going!
>>125724083
Don't leave him
>>125724083
No, don't leave him.
>>125724083
>>125724294
>>125724398
Thank you for your votes! We continue at 9:47 PM EST (about ten minutes from now) so if anyone else wants to vote, you have until then.
>>125725401
I meant 8:57. Wow I can't fucking read or do math.
Moving on, I'm going with the no choice. I like how everyone likes Natsume!
>>125726516
It's now July 27, 2012. They just finished all their exams!
And Shuuki's brothers are late again. Why are you looking away when being asked about Natsume, Yukinari??
Yukinari offers to tag along in Shuuki's quest to wake up Natsume.
S: There's not much to see, honest.
Y: Hmm... We'll see about that.
Yo what the fuck Yuki?
>>125726516
That's cause he din do nuffin, he a good boy.
>>125727012
Go for the brown.
