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Remember to BUMP THE FUCKING THREAD every three hours please.
I am here, and I am NOT queer!
So, as I was saying, a lot of games are hesitant on the gay, requiring the player to make the first move, making all the gay routes have 'friendship' endings possible instead of only romance, while the het ones just go straight for I LOVE YOU LET'S MAKE BABIES.
Have you noticed this? Does it bother you? Would you prefer it if het routes had friendship options too?
I'm frankly amused by how /evn/ used to be the place where the KS-clones would shit on each other. Now that there are evidently at least one or two BL devs here, the claws are out.
It's fun to watch.
>>125608691
> people becoming more critical in their consumption
oh no, the humanity!
>>125608276
Yes, it bothers me. If it's gay, commit to it and make it gay.
>>125609453
Does it make a difference if it's a gay route in a mostly-het game vs an all-gay game?
I remember being surprised at how very not-gay Asphyxia was.
>>125609074
I'm not complaining. It's more entertaining to see fresh faces shitting on each other instead the same old group of jaded guys. I believe in diversity!
>>125608691
I am not a BL/GL dev, but I play them myself. It's annoying when those types of games are "lite" on the gay to accommodate those who don't even like the genre.
>>125609628
Yes. To this day I'm still mad about True Love 95 making me play the gay route until to end in a black screen with a "haha and then we dated" note.
Fuck that.
>>125609628
Yes it makes a difference. The "gay route" in het games are so few and far between there's really no point in even mentioning them. BL/GL games are already small enough already but yet evn devs are trying to shove in "no homo" in such a small pool of games that it tends to stand out. There are so many Het games in comparison.
>>125609731
I'm a massive hypocrite, because I kind of hate that in games, but I can't bring myself to write an entire cast full of nothing but 100% gay people.
>>125609992
>The "gay route" in het games are so few and far between there's really no point in even mentioning them.
Don't most het games have a gay route? I thought it was pretty common in otome and bioware and stuff.
>>125609886
The copout ending bugs me. I don't mind the gay route being harder to get than the main one, though, but if I've gone to the effort I want my proper gay end.
>>125609996
It doesn't have to be 100% gay people. Nobody is arguing about that. People are arguing that people are shoving no homo into gay games that are being marketed as gay games.
>>125610221
You obviously don't play a lot of het games. No they do not. And if they do, it's a joke route. Although in the Evn scene it's beginning to change a little bit with het games. But not enough to where it's actually noticeable.
>>125609731
I feel the same way.
Granted, there are also players who want to see homo MCs in a game that isn't so heavily focused on sex and romance. It doesn't appear to be a very big group, but they ARE out there.
>>125610282
If the MC is gay and all 4-6 love interests are gay how is that not 100% gay people?
>>125612064
Again, missing the point. We're talking about toning down the gay in a game that's marketed and referred to as Boy's love.
Is the BL audience even okay with that half-assed no-homo option bullshit? I've heard people bitch endlessly about Japanese BL games just because a love interest mentions having been interested in women at some point.
I don't even know why you'd want to cater to the no-homo-bromo audience. They're usually not even concerned about the actual porn/romance in BL, but the notion that they couldn't possibly empathize with an MC who doesn't want to fuck girls.
>>125608276
I'd like it in general if I could just find out the various characters' stories without necessarily falling in love with them.
>>125612247
But that's what I'm trying to say though? Even if I'm setting out to write a BL game, I have a really hard time conceptualising and characterising a gay protagonist and a completely gay set of romance options, unless he's meeting them _at a gay bar_. If you're just supposed to be meeting these people as you go along, I feel stupid writing them all gay.
But at the same time I'm annoyed by the prospect of being given five datable guys and then finding out that the one I went for is straight.
>>125610221
I'll give it to you in your proper gay end.
>>125608276
I don't know if I would prefer either game having friendship + romance options. Either the story is going to introduce a romance subplot and resolve it, or it's going to introduce a friendship and resolve it. I think the focus on what the relationship is about needs to be made clear from the start, and that waffling on it can weaken the entire story, since every character interaction needs to then be framed from a romance/non-romance perspective.
If you do the branch, it should be early, that way you can build either a romance story or a friendship story, but I think just deciding the relationship from the outset is the best way to go. The decision point needs to be early enough that the rest of the story continues logically from it-- if it's too late, than all the logic leading to that point is weakened.
>>125613239
>But at the same time I'm annoyed by the prospect of being given five datable guys and then finding out that the one I went for is straight.
Queen at arms did this in inverse (MC falls in love with a gay guy) and it annoyed me to no end.
The thing is, you can have both men and women as LIs, what you can't do it have a Boy's Love game with scenes like your MC waking up with a boyfriend and then give "opt out" options for the benefit of no one.
>>125613590
>I'll give it to you in your proper gay end.
The example we are talking about is a literal black screen. Gay route confessed to MC and then... cut to a black screen with narration about how they became and item.
>>125613770
i believe that sir was attempting an innuendo, master.
>>125613770
So to explain the joke, the joke I was making is that I would fuck you in your "proper gay end". This is where end means your rear end, or ass. I was making a joke where a "proper gay end" is a metaphor for your butt. That was the joke. Thank you for making me explain it, I'm sure it will be of benefit to everyone else in the thread.
--
My sincere reply to your opinion is that it's useless to not develop a gay relationship and then provide some sort of "and they lived gaily ever after" in the ending title.
I think I would rather heavily imply gay/lesbian romances with side characters. But I like my protagonists to have fixed sexual orientation.
They are either straight, bi, or gay from the start and that is who they are. I think that about all of my characters. You cannot just romance someone who is a lesbian and convert them to the church of cock. If that is possible, they were/are not really a lesbian.
I think as a writer you have your own preconceived notions about sexuality. Mine is that sexuality has very little room for choice and is mostly a fixed characteristic (even if that state is an openness to either gender). If your opinion is different, I think that allows for differences in how you handle it-- you could believe that all people are essentially pan-sexual and just need the right persuasion. That is a legitimate world view though it clashes with mine.
>>125613916
> gay porn game
> having sex too early locks you out of the good ends
>>125614875
I'm confused. There's a LI that fucks you right away, as well as the dates that were added in the last update.
>actually bought BCM
>really want to play it
>download is going to take an hour
kill me
>>125615258
That's only for Jed - having sex with Alex, Phil or Brad at the first chance gives you their bad ends.
>>125615348
Make sure to post your impressions of it, I was thinking of playing it as well.
>>125614875
bioware does that too, don't they? Agree to sex when it's offered and that just proves you don't really love him/her!
>>125615530
Given that one is your professor, the other is a snob, and the last is in the closet, I somehow doubt having sex with them early would make much sense.
>>125615645
I might. I had fun doing the last live play I did.
Can someone post KS progress google spreadsheet?
>>125617673
This one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iXoXAGwxbsaptbju279SZNvKPHfw_bKGwJjFr51SEso/edit?usp=sharing
I'm starting up BCM, friends!
I never played the demo or anything so this is a whole new experience. Not sure if I'll post as I play though.
>>125619168
Yes and thank you.
Why does My Little DIctator have a patreon when it got its funds from KS?
>>125620907
feature creep.
>>125620856
Post as you play, it'd be nice to liven up the thread with thoughts related to an /evn/.
Be fair when discussing it, try to find the good and the bad, or really, you can just focus on the positive-- we have a lot of negative discussion and there's no way any title will escape being railed, so maybe try something different at the start.
>>125620856
Okay first thing of note, I like it when sprites blink but I know some of you hate it. The blinking is kind of odd? I don't know how to explain it but the movement feels smoother.
Also this music is fucking nice.
>>125621061
I did one before that wasn't great, but I tried to be positive about that one.
>>125621019
I hope the backers are happy about that.
>>125621178
So far, Shuuki has ditched his boyfriend at the love hotel because he wouldn't wake up. Things are rocky in their relationship!
I adore the GUI but... Where's the return button on this screen? It's on settings but not save or load. Uh?
Better caps soon.
>>125621665
I'm fucking weak this is cute.
It is July 23, 2012. I'm really bad at keeping track of time travel, but for your sakes, I'll post the date when it changes.
I'll start spoilering things after I get through this prologue chapter.
>>125621665
Don't listen to >>125621061
If something is shit, make sure to talk about it. Don't force positiveness.
>>125621665
Is it not that X in the top right, nor the little arrow with the box next to it?
>>125621937
>-ue
what
Natsume is passed out on the porch. Good going, Natsume. Not sure how I feel about his sprite being there, but I'm not sure what I would do in that position either besides a CG and in a game that's as big as this apparently is, I can see why there isn't one.
Also this game has a FUCKING TEXT LOG I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY.
>>125622008
I'm bad at forced positivity, so I won't, but I'm not going to shit on it for the sake of shitting on it.
I'm going to have fun with this and I hope you guys have fun too!
> japanese honorifics in english text
whyyyy
>>125622331
ani-ue is apparently proper speak for big brother.
>>125622331
I want to see these fucking giraffes.
>>125622293
X exits the game, other box is the main menu. The return button is in the bottom right.
I did figure out, however, that I can right click to escape! I should've fucking known that. I hope they fix that GUI glitch though.
>>125622537
Thank you, anon! I'm pretty familiar with honorifics, but that's a new one for me.
>>125622331
One of the many ways to say older brother.
That said
>using it in a game written in English
How terrible. I hope there isn't more.
>>125621937
>>125622331
Why does this read like a shitty translation
>>125622650
Behold! The text log!
I want to hug Natsume.
>>125622489
>>125622671
There's more honorifics, but they didn't say "itadakimasu" so that's a plus? Japanese phrases in English stories don't bother me a whole lot, as long as it's not obnoxious and featuring "B-Baka!"
>>125623130
>stir fry
>made in a few minutes
Uh.
>>125623130
Part of the reason I don't mind honorifics is because they give me little personality and relationship bits without saying much.Also aniki is cute.
... Also, does anyone remember if this used to have an incest tag on it? I swear it was in the old ollllld WIP thread but I don't think it is anymore. It's been a long ass time though.
>>125623338
Stir-fry doesn't take hours, dude. It cooks fast in very hot pans.
>>125622671
That honorific, and there are ones for every member of your family, like most Japanese honorfics are based on status. In this case if you said "Aniue" or "Chichiue" it would be because your brother or father is like royal blood or you're in a family that is so extremely prestigious you treat your family as royalty.
>>125623578
I expected Shuuki to be the one worried about calories.
Also every time I see Shuuki's sprite, I just wonder how fucking long his hair takes in the morning. How long does he spend on that shit. Holy fuck. I've had long hair and it's a pain in the ass. I can't imagine this kind of hell.
>>125623783
>athlete worried about carbs
>>125623617
A few minutes? At the least, 15 minutes. Have you ever cooked before?
>>125623783
VOTE!
The context is about carby foods being too heavy and causing sleepiness.
I'm going to go get some shitty Chinese food from my fridge. We continue in 13 minutes at the most, votes or no votes.
>>125623946
I cook almost everything I eat. You can easily make stir fry in 8-10 minutes.
>>125624094
Fuck my image fell off. Sorry about that.
>>125624283
First one. Tell the free loader to make his own damn food!
>>125624283
Make your own.
>>125623946
You just have a shitty stove.
>>125624283
WE CONTINUE!
That's right Shuuki. Call your brother on being an ass. And a fool for turning down FREE FRESH FOOD.
Votes:
>>125624416
>>125624451
>>125625241
That's right, Masa. Eat the fucking food and don't be such a dipshit.
>>125625536
It's 5AM and you've been nothing but combative since you came on screen. Maybe you should go to sleep, Masa.
I still want to see those giraffes.
>>125625965
Chapter one begins, friends!
Should I start using spoiler tags or would later be better?
>>125625965
What's with the unneeded hostility? Did I miss something?
>>125626168
Use spoilers when you get the part where the trial ends. Like, chapter 3.
>>125626253
First Natsume dared to ask if he wanted food and Masaharu just got stupidly aggressive from there.
Sorry for the lack of detail. Would more screencaps be better or more summarization?
>>125626168
I'm buying this myself, and I'll be coming back to read your caps later, so it personally doesn't matter to me.
>>125626168
So Shuuki's preening himself in the bathroom and Masaharu wants in and starts to shave.
There is nothing to shave. Shuuki notes this.
Somehow, Masaharu manages to study all night but not know what "exfoliate" means. I don't understand how someone doesn't pick up that term, at least in passing, over the years. How do you not read it at least once?
>>125626508
Gonna try the summarization route for now. Enjoy it when you play!
>>125626413
Noted! I'll do that unless there's some serious objection.
>>125626912
The problem with having had long hair for years is that when I see characters with long hair, I focus way too much on the details. How isn't his hair fried already?
Also this narrative style (with the parentheses) annoys the shit out of me. Just stick with the italics pleeeeeease.
>>125626461
More summarization, more images will result in too many posts.
>>125623946
Stirfry should take between 5-10 minutes, ideally shorter. You might not know how to stir fry. Most of the concern is actually burning things.
Maybe if you have a shitty induction stove it takes longer, but if you're cooking with gas, it's not at all hard (the stove pictured is a gas range cooktop >>125624283 )
>>125627196
J-Just let him sleep... Christ.
Also Masa's personality can be summed up as: angry.
There's not much to summarize here. They're going to school! Shuuki is flawless and beautiful this morning.
>>125627196
> He straightens all that hair
> By himself
Calling bullshit right now.
>>125627196
>Also this narrative style (with the parentheses) annoys the shit out of me. Just stick with the italics pleeeeeease.
IMO italics suck for anything more than a short sentence, and in many fonts they either look bad or it's hard to tell at a glance that it's thoughts instead of speech.
Not saying your preference is wrong though
Yeah im also buying BCM tomorrow. If you want to post some funny stuff go ahead but i'd prefer you spoiler the key stuff.
>>125627196
I've straightened my hair for years - it won't fry if you apply the correct products before and after, but at his length it would probably take him a good two-three hours plus the time to braid it.
>>125627514
I have hair almost down to my ass and have no trouble.
>>125628041
Doesn't he do it every morning though? I thought doing it every day would definitely fry your hair.
>>125627467
They made it to school! With bentos because Natsume's a good brother and not just Mr. McPissyPants all the time.
Shuuki has unfortunately run into Ryou. Ryou isn't happy about getting charged a fee for staying in the room past the time limit.
Shuuki has been reading too much Clamp. Shuuki, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that you're fabulous boyfriend material either.
>>125627842
I can agree about shitty italic fonts. You can't always just tell the font to be italic-- sometimes you have to get the italic version of the font.
Even so, some fonts just are shit with italics. So I can see why you WOULDN'T want a bunch of italics!
>>125628163
Heat protection spray plus and ironing shampoo wll do the trick.
How do I go about marketing my game? And getting sites to review it? Any tips?
>>125630221
Sell it to Sekai.
>>125630221
Shill it everywhere, post youtube videos, gib demo. Kickstarter VN usually get an article.
>>125630221
>How do I go about marketing my game?
First step - you have to be willing to actually mention your game's name to people, even knowing that they may shit on you.
>And getting sites to review it?
If your game doesn't look like complete ass, or looks like complete ass in an entertaining way, you get sites to review it by asking them to and giving them a free copy.
>>125628464
Ryou punched Shuuki after Shuuki insulted his dick and other assorted insults.
Now we meet Shuuki's friend! Maybe friend.
>>125631235
Okay guys, I gotta head to bed for the night. Next post will be VOTING again!
Thanks for reading along! Have a good night, everyone!
>>125630584
How do I do this? Just hit them up with an email? How much percentage do they take?
>>125631025
Unfortunately, no kickstarter for me. Too risky.
>>125631181
I will have no problems mentioning it when I am more than 80% finished.
>>125631181
Also, what sites do you recommend for visual novels?
>>125632001
>Unfortunately, no kickstarter for me. Too risky.
Only if you are a backer. Kickstart almost completed game. You won't be the first to do that.
>>125631780
Thanks. Looking forward to playing this.
>>125632001
>How do I do this?
Look as good or better than A More Beautiful World.
>Taosym comparing his fetishistic futa porn games to kids facing homophobia growing up and committing suicide
wew lad
>>125632903
Compare a situation where a faggot kills himself over words to a situation where a faggot kills himself over words. I can't see a damn difference.
>>125632903
Tao could be the Jay Naylor of VN.
>>125632903
Next time, 'Embrace Futa or You'll Cause Suicides' Edition
>>125638440
That sounds like "Convert to Islam or die" Edition.
>>125639724
That's every edition, brother.
>>125640005
Inshallah, brother.
>>125640005
يموت
Allahu Akbar every 3 hours while the Christians and Fedoras sleep.
You guys will pay for your shitposting one day. You better watch out.
>>125641949
العمل على اللعبة
>>125642181
Muhbackgrounds
>>125642181
If you're left, all you can do is whine.
If you're right, you can grab a gun
>>125642181
I shitposted just once in all the years I've been here and felt bad. Does it count as redemption?
>>125642181
As-salamu alaykum
>>125642758
أنصرف
>>125642181
Why dont you post about your game? :) After all, it can only help.
>>125635560
'Could be'?
>>125642923
You first.
>>125642181
We're just enriching the thread, that's all.
>>125642995
That's what I thought. Next time do something about it if you're going to whine about shitposts.
Why are euroshitters the fucking worst with shitposting? Are any of you even making a game?
>>125643260
Why euro? It's not even midnight in California
See what conflict enriching brings?
>>125644515
Kill the bastard.
>>125644591
You Westerners are so violent.
Guys how do I not get triggered by bishoujo games?
>>125643260
I'm at work, bored, and the thread needs bumping. Ebin /wm/ may mays are a perfect solution.
>>125651263
Don't worry mate, we will keep the thread halal and kosher while the infidels are at work.
>>125651239
Get laid
I am going to the library tomorrow so I can write! Hopefully I will find a spot where no one can overlook my shoulder to see me writing porn! Good luck writing everyone!
>>125652570
Y-you too.
>evn when vng exists
Well I did not expect to see this when browsing the catalog.
>>125642181
I would most likely end up offing myself without shitposting. This year sucked and this right here is my therapy, and I'm glad I get to share it with you guys.
>>125642181
but I don't have any money
you're not suggesting anything lewd, are you?
>>125658271
2016 will be our year, anon
>>125642181
Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son, Ben Solo, and Han dies.
>>125659843
>Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son
did Leia get kuk'd?
>>125659971
Not as bad, but almost. He didn't say he was married.
Yes, retcon married,
>>125659843
I didn't even give a shit about the new star wars, but this still kind of upsets me.
>>125660220
bravo JewJew Abrahams
>>125659843
I've never seen a Star Wars movie in my life so this doesn't mean anything to me.
>>125643147
That wasn't me and I was joking, not whining.
Does anyone have advice for making characters cute but believable?
Sometimes I struggle to break out of using the same narrative style for characters (i.e. my own way of thinking/acting) otherwise I end up using cliches by mistake and archetypes.
How can I maintain some aspects of the cliche (i.e. tsundere) so that the character has some anime cuteness/comedy, but also write believable, enjoyable waifus?
>>125664768
Simple but believable and common flaws?
>>125657667
/evn/ is more about developing and shitting on/helping/getting excited for other projects. /vn/ is mostly just reading
>>125667753
The only difference between /evn/ and /vn/ is that e in the beginning. People talk about dev here because they're making said EVNsand/or are /agdg/ rejects.and don't read others because they're all shit and they're going to be the savior.
>>125668613
Welcome back Tao
It's looking pretty tight for Quantum Suicide, a shame they required 30k and not something closer to 20.
>tfw got background after seeing artist's work
>tfw it'sshit
Okay, not shit, but a LOT worse than what they had in their dA. My suspicions of them just drawing over game screenshots have deepened.
>>125671726
Hey, at least you posted it.
Remember that people tend to lead with their best/most time consuming stuff. Try to check the quality of other commissions so you get an idea.
Personally, I'd recommend trying to connect a bit more with an artist before investing too deeply-- then, sadly, I think you need to commission a few things to get an idea of their work and decide if you want to have them as your main artist.
Ultimately if they aren't interested in working with you long term and creating in the style that you have in mind (or one you like) it's not going to work out.
>>125671726
>Painterly style for backgrounds
whyyyyyyyyy
>>125671726
NAME AND SHAME CON ARTISTS
And speaking of painterly style, does this count? It's literally a scanned painting after all.
>>125671726
how much did you pay if you don't mind saying?
>>125669104
Thanks JP, good to be back.
>>125674313
>scanned painting
That looks like a 3d model with a filter over it, what are you talking about?
>>125671726
What's the guys name?
>>125675081
No, I swear. I saw the raw pieces in legal size paper. But I do admit that the lighting effect was done via photoshop.
>>125673923
Yeah, I get that. There was very little on their page, and I'm not even the project leader or anything so I didn't find them. I'm another artist, kind of in charge of the assets/direction I think.
>>125673961
I don't mind them, but yeah, I generally like SOME lineart and leaner edges.
>>125674023
>>125674784
>>125675197
0 dollars. Again, not the project leader, so she just kind of came in after the leader showed me her work. Considering it's a for free project I wasn't expecting much, but I at least expected... a little bit of effort.
>>125675612
>it's a for free project
yeah, that explains everything tbqh familia. Also it's a bit mean to call the work they've provided for free shit even if it is.
>>125675807
I'm going to dump some garbage on your desk. Don't complain about it, though; it's free.
>>125675807
The only reason I'm actually upset is that they're extremely uppity about it, in that they're saying they want to be paid at the end if possible and is only donating out of goodwill. I'd rather just stick with our other BG artist than deal with this attitude.
>>125675894
I didn't ask for that garbage now, did I.
>>125676192
They didn't ask for garbage, either.
I seriously don't understand this mindset of "it's free, so you can't criticize it."
>>125676281
A better analogy would be: I want an apple, you say "hey I've got one" and bring it to me, it turns out to be all faded and a bit wormy. What do I, as a polite human being, do in this situation? Say "thank you" and don't eat your apple, but also don't go aroundtelling people how much you suck for bringing me this shitty old apple you've probably found in your backyard.
No, I got lost in my own metaphor, sorry, I should obviously still warn people you like to give away bad apples.
Carry on.
>>125676625
I'm not saying they suck, I'm saying their apple sucks, especially after handing me the apple with a wink and a hand wave saying "You're lucky you get this much".
>>125676625
Hope you feel great about yourself when someone pays for a wormy apple.
>>125652570
Update: I am at the library and found a good spot. Nobody is here...
>>125681616
Why on earth did you go to the library to write?
Quick guys, remind me that Love in Space as a developer and the Sunrider series is shit.
I've got an itch to patreon them five bucks a month to get into their beta and I need to cut that shit off at the pass.
>complaining about free background artist
Just filter photos, then.
>>125681801
Because being in public usually makes me more focused. Under the judging eyes of others I am more likely to do my work. But I am literally the only person here. It's just a library aid and me.
>>125681616
>>125681801
Libraries are nice spaces to write. They're usually relatively deserted.
>>125682491
You know what else is deserted? Your house.
>>125682586
But not relatively deserted. I can talk to another human being if I get bored. Or pick out a book related to the subject I'm writing on if I need to do research or something.
>>125682764
You can talk to me and google books on the internet.
>>125682825
I dunno bro, I'm not sure if I trust you.
>>125683104
I've always been good to you.
>>125683309
I just got to this thread.
>>125683391
Then it's all the more true then. I've been good to you since we've met.
>>125683391
Then it's even more true. After all, they haven't had any opportunity to wrong you.
>>125682425
I'm currently writing from home, all the dialog is coming across as a bit too British
>>125684115
Are you British?
Sometimes I write with stereotypical Russian feel a bit.
>>125682038
What's the point of the Patreon? Did they not make enough money from Steam and Kickstarter? I'd think they'd have more than enough funds by now.
>>125682038
writing is nonsensial
characters are flat (and apparently the lead guy hangs on to those characters for 10 years or something)
sprite art in Sunrider is boring (just get the pack with all the lewd CGs if you want)
absolutely retarded tacked-on "gameplay" in Academy that's only there as padding
(JP is a retarded closeted bigot, but his reviews on Sunrider have some valid points. Yeah, it's so bad even JP is partially right about it.)
>>125684751
To reap more money, like all patreons.
>>125684993
I'm fairly sure I thought JP was right in at least another couple of cases.
>>125684993
Academy's gameplay was absolute shite, and instead of recycling sprites to add some minor characters and color, they did not. (I can believe you can't afford more than four routes, but I don't have to believe that you can't pay for a standard sprite) That's why I know better than to trust again
>>125685065
They've got at least 20K owners of a 30 dollar game. $600K minus Steam and Sekai's take. They've at least raked in 300K. But I guess a few extra $$$ from Patreon can't hurt.
>>125685550
And sales. Can't forget that not all copies are sold at full price.
>>125685550
And I bought it at full price.
I'm a terrible person.
>>125684993
>hanging on to a whole bunch of tits for ten years
I'm pretty sure that's normal behavior for men who are essentially stuck in space]
I do agree, though. Academy would have been 9000% better as a pure VN with time spent into making it better rather than working on a fucking management sim that is pretty queermo.
>>125687654
>Academy would have been 9000% better as a pure VN
No, it would've been better as a sim that was actually good.
>>125687847
But that's implying that they know how to make a good game.
Mou, anon. Mou!
>>125687979
What does mou mean, anyway?
>>125689048
>4. interjection used to strengthen expression of an emotion (often exasperation)
>>125689737
By who? Cows?
>>125689843
It's pronounced more like moh than moo, silly goose.
>>125690028
Made me singlehandedly like Cosette more than notdeadlittlesister.
>>125690028
Yeah well, Ava is such a cow I can imagine her saying moo instead.
>>125687847
I think it would have been better if there were more events and the calendar was shorter by about 100 days
>>125691352
I'd drink to that.
>>125691352
I managed to get to the point where I had all of the events saved, so that I can just watch events instead of playing ever again.
>>125692670
it seems like a shame because sunrider academy has all the groundwork there to be a good game, if only the devs had added more events and scenes to stop the stat raising being so mind-numbingly tedious... having a few more random background characters would also have been a nice touch, since it felt weird being able to explore this whole city and only ever running into the same 4 characters. it was weirdly desolate, like some kind of zombie apocalypse.
>>125693084
It's not bad, at least.
It just ain't good enough to be worth the 30 buckazoids I ended up paying.
>>125693084
imagine some sort of hybrid mashup between sunrider academy and magical diary
>>125693976
...yeah I'd give thirty bucks for that.
Update. I am no longer alone in the library. Some guy is trying to print something out, but he keeps messing it up. He's starting an awkward conversation with a teacher about starwars. I have two hours left before the library closes. Wish me luck.
>>125693976
I would use magic to Ava Ava's Avas.
>>125694278
You should base your dialogue on their conversation.
>>125694278
I'm in the library too. Some old dude sat down only one seat away from me when the entire library was deserted... I quickly moved to a new deserted spot
>>125697823
Why must you crush that old man's heart?
I am a library.
>>125698061
not interested in ojiisan route
>>125698727
he probably killed himself because of you
>>125699298
Bad end
>>125699298
you are not entitled to my body just because you're lonely, senpai
Does anyone want to talk about the new assets they received but not post them?
>>125702680
So the mantis is both on the floor and on the wall, at the same time? Wew lad
>>125698727
Not every route is a romantic one.
Library update: I was kicked out. I got about 4k writing done. Some old ladies were talking about tampons. Guy at the desk told me happy holidays as I was leaving, I didn't know how to respond, all that came out was "yesss..." and then I walked out in shame. All in all, I liked this library venture, I think I might make this a daily thing.
>>125707718
>I was kicked out
How?
>>125708731
Probably because it closed.
>>125708731
>>125708937
Yes, it closes at 5 pm because winter break starts soon.
>>125702679
I got a new background. It's okay but not amazing.
I want Santa to bring me a free top tier artist.
Add more girls with white creamy tighs to your EVNs. But only if you can draw them properly.
>>125709985
Can I make the top black so they're like Blackjack?
>>125625965
Tbh these screenshots make me want to play the game less than I did before. I haven't played the demo so I didn't know MC would be such an asshole. Do his eyes even change form or are they stuck in that 3deep5u position?
How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/? I can't stand it if they're that teenage brand of superficial asshole, makes me want to punch them in the dick. Tsundere is ok though.
>>125711117
>How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/?
I can deal with them if they get some sort of comeuppance, but if they are assholes all the time and get away with it, it gets annoying.
>>125710165
Gives a whole new meaning to "mixed race babes".
>>125712058
I generally like them, but they have to be played correctly.
Taichi from Cross Channel is a great example of an asshole MC that I feel carries a lot of the story. If he was a kind guy or some sort of flavorless blob, Cross Channel would not function as a story. He is a very broken man and well aware of who he is. This carries the plot in interesting directions.
Rance is another great example of an asshole MC. He fits in with the rules of his universe, he is an unrepentant cad, a conquering rapist, a warlord that uses force to perpetuate his immorality. He feels little if any remorse for his actions and because they have little other choice, his close comrades accept him for who he is. He is also a bit helpless-- he isn't an asshole because he "wants" to be an asshole, he's an asshole because that is who he is, he is as helpless to his urges as his victims are to resist them.
I would take an asshole over a self-insert any day of the week.
>>125711117
>How du you feel about asshole MCs /evn/
It really depends. I think a lot of young writers dont realize why an asshole MC works, and that's because they use it as a means to an end but still have a moral code. It's why Mal from firefly sounds like a cunt when you read about him, but is loved as a character - he's an asshole but he protects the ones close to him with said assholeism. If he did everything without his moral code he would be the series antagonist.
I haven't played BCM yet but I would think it would be written well. The game goal seems to be to time travel and change your poor relationship with your brothers, so i think it's natural shuuki would be a cunt.
>>125711117
>I haven't played the demo so I didn't know MC would be such an asshole.
They say on his profile he's an asshole or something to that effect.
>>125713784
>I haven't played this game but I think it's written well
Nigga what.
>>125713604
I have no issues with Rance because he's so exaggerated that it becomes funny.
>>125713604
With Rance it helps that he actually does get shit done and he does do far more good than evil.
There are many people in the series who tolerate his shit because of that and others who respect him first because of his achievements and then decide not to care about the other stuff
>>125711117
I'm the opposite. I wasn't interested but for some reason the game just looks a lot better than I thought it would. I'm glad somebody posted the screenshots. I'll probably buy it this weekend.
What happened to the guy who was doing the BCM playthrough? You still here senpai?
>>125714034
Why are you cutting out my 'would be'? Also is it shit?
>>125716602
It's the exact same sentiment.
>>125713604
Cross Channel's plot allows Taichi to be an asshole without consequences. He's also a comedian and it becomes clear as time passes just how broken of a person he really is, which allows the readers to sympathize with him.
Rance can also get a pass because he too is a comedian in a world that doesn't take much of anything seriously and his rampant assault on the female gender, willing or not, tends to be in comedic situations where the worst the girl will do is say "No" while she flails around a bit. There's never any real violence, screaming, blood, etc. with him. Rancealmostalways backs off if he feels they'll genuinely be hurt by it. The only times I've seen him disregard that is when he's up against a villain.
As long as an asshole MC isn't treated as a complete edgelord and/or has some nice character development, I think they can be a very viable protagonist.
>>125716394
Hello! I went to bed last night and had work this morning.
We'll be continuing our BCM adventure in a little while!
>start BCM
>my eyes zone out and skip text at intervals
I wasn't expecting a murder mystery to have filler, but alright. Hope it picks up
>>125631780
I'm back!
So they went to school and we met Yukinari. He's smart, him and Masaharu seem to get along pretty well!
Overall it's pretty uneventful, but we've come to our choice! Natsume is asleep on his desk, though it seems he actually did his exam this time. He doesn't seem inclined to wake up.
Screencap is a little more context and the choice is a simple
>Yes, leave him.
>No, don't leave him.
VOTE and then we'll keep going!
>>125724083
Don't leave him
>>125724083
No, don't leave him.
>>125724083
>>125724294
>>125724398
Thank you for your votes! We continue at 9:47 PM EST (about ten minutes from now) so if anyone else wants to vote, you have until then.
>>125725401
I meant 8:57. Wow I can't fucking read or do math.
Moving on, I'm going with the no choice. I like how everyone likes Natsume!
>>125726516
It's now July 27, 2012. They just finished all their exams!
And Shuuki's brothers are late again. Why are you looking away when being asked about Natsume, Yukinari??
Yukinari offers to tag along in Shuuki's quest to wake up Natsume.
S: There's not much to see, honest.
Y: Hmm... We'll see about that.
Yo what the fuck Yuki?
>>125726516
That's cause he din do nuffin, he a good boy.
>>125727012
Go for the brown.
>>125727012
Well shit. Chiaki confronted Natsume about Natsume's issues! Natsume won't talk about it and now Chiaki's pissed.
Natsume is unhappy. I don't like this game anymore-- but wait! He notices his brothers and he's happy now! Though I'm going to take a leap and assume his airhead, happy demeanor is a farce.
>>125727130
Natsume is truly best.
As for Yuki, you mean romance? We'll see where the choices go.
>>125724083
I still don't understand the random Japanese or why all the characters have Japanese names.
>>125727696
They are in Japan.
>>125727739
But why
>>125727451
> Natsume is better than the MC
Shuuki why are you so shit.
>>125727451
Shit got awkward with Yukinari around so he's gone now. Shuuki thinks he's cute, because of course he does. He thinks Masa wouldn't care about Yuki being cute, I think Masa and Yuki fuck, but that's just a random baseless thought.
Natsume and Shuuki are now walking home together and I'm not sure if this is 2obvious foreshadowing or literally a dark shadow up ahead. I guess we'll see!
>>125727851
Fuck if I know. They're all Japanese, apparently.
>>125727950It's foreshadowing.
>>125727950
>They're all Japanese
Seriously? They're all blond with light eyes and western looking facial features. If you're gonna weeb it up at least try a little?
>inb4 but muh animes have weird haircolors and eyecolors and they're still japanese!!!
>>125727950
I feel like Natsume's narcoleptic or some shit. He fell asleep as soon as they were in the door of their house, and I DON'T mean that figuratively. It's literal. Shuuki is half carrying his ass to his room. Holy shit, Natsume.
Natsume has sleep talk about "not wanting things to change." Okay. Shuuki shrugs it off, while reminiscing about better times.
In regards to the cap: Is Fuyu the older twin? Does Shuuki just REALLY like family honorifics? If she's your twin, I would assume they were close enough that they could, you know, be first name basis with each other.
>>125728112
I'm not saying that I think they look believably Japanese, even in anime land, but canonly, they're Japanese.
>>125728073It's also a stormcloud. I wish it was just a cloud. I don't like doomy foreshadowing.
>>125728112
I just think it's lame that people always go for japanese setting. Why not do a different culture or something? It'd be more interesting. Oh but wait, then they'd have to do actual research and read books and shit about their culture of choice. So nah, let's just make another vn set in japan based off all of the animes I saw!
I quit BCM... damn. Well i'm happy i supported the devs but the writing clearly isn't doing it for me. Anon if you find out the killer can you post a spoiler for me?
>>125684375
What exactly do you mean by that?
>>125728576
I just hate it because it's always just oh-give-them-Japanese-names-and-use-weeb-spice-words and not actually set in Japan. Like if you wanna set something in Japan fine, but maybe do some actual research instead of just defaulting to ~vaguely japanesey~ because you can't conceive of a VN that isn't like that
>>125728828
Well, it actually is set in Japan. The house even looks like a typical Japanese house from the outside. I dunno outside of that. Didn't the artist say she just put garbled Japanese that didn't mean anything in backgrounds and papers though?
>>125728528
I don't think Masa's home yet. I think Yuki killed Masa and I'm running with that assumption until I learn otherwise.
Also Natsume apparently can't afford groceries, and since their parents DO live there, I want to understand why the parents aren't paying for food.
Meanwhile the world hates Natsume because he didn't save Fuyuka. This shit makes me roll my eyes but at the same time I know people can be goddamn irrational so we'll roll with this.
"Why didn't you do something??"
Why are you asking someone who was probably only 14 at the time why he didn't do something? He's still a damn kid. Good lord.
Shuuki's pretty sweet to Natsume. That makes me happy.
>>125728735
Can do! Keep an eye on the liveblogs since I'm not sure I'll remember to be like "HEY ANON THAT WANTED TO KNOW WHO THE MURDERER WAS."
>>125728576
>always
They don't, though, there are plenty of non-Japanese EVNs.
The problem is that almost every EVN dev has at least one game idea they set in Japan at some point, either because they love anime and want to be involved, or because they think everyone else loves anime and will only play their game if it's weeby enough. see the folks trying to get japanese voice acting for original english games.
it doesn't help that there really are crazy weebs out there who are more interested in a game if they think it's Japanese, and idiots who give TERRIBLE writing a pass if they think it might be originally Japanese. You can see all sorts of people saying that it's okay that Beach Bounce was full of spelling and grammar errors because "it's a translation!"
>>125728112
>They're all blond with light eyes and western looking facial features.
Hi HRP
>>125729569
Nah, HRP does a shit job at the ~japanesey~ thing too.
>>125729227
Yeah but what's the point? Why set it in Japan over any other location? Just so you can abuse kawaii honorifics?
>>125728735
What didn't you like about the writing?
>>125729512
THEIR PARENT'S WORKPLACE CAUGHT FIRE OH SHIT. The brothers might have to move away!
IT WAS NOT A STORMCLOUD.
quandary - I'd like Quantum Suicide to succeed but I'm morally opposed to backing unknown devs on kickstarter.
still bitter about sierra ops.
>>125729913
so, do the brothers all dye or...?
>>125729801
The switch between 3rd person and shuuki's inner monologues was so weird. Shuuki is obviously the MC so i don't understand the need for the narration. Also the slice of life parts with the bros slowly killed me... the only good parts were the murders.
>>125729569
At least HRP is fixing that by setting their yuri game in America instead of continuing to be tryhards.
>>125730272
Yes, they dye their hair color blonde.
>>125730209
Sierra ops was indiegogo aka little brothers scamstarter association so it's your own fault really.
>>125729913
I would like to inform you all that the parents could've died in that fire and I think it would've been grand. As we already knew, they're assholes. Natsume barely exists to them.
So yes. There was some angst there and now we begin chapter 2!
The brothers will be moving into the school dormitories.
>>125730272
They're not dead yet. I have no idea where this'll go though.
>>125730462
Dammit anon don't spoil things!
.>>125730454
Oh goodie. They've gone from being tryhards to being lazy. Why not something like Scotland or an actual interesting setting instead of something that requires zero effort on their part?
>>125730553
Woo, chapter 2, chapter 2! Could you possibly cap the cg's and upload them to an imgur album/zip as you go along? I am curious as to what the revamped cg's all look like.
>>125730806
I want to see a vn set in Puerto Rico tbhwy (to be honest wit yall).
>>125730553
It's August 4th of 2012!
Also the dorm mom has a side sprite out of nowhere.
Dorm mom wants you to know that you can't bring girls to the dorms or go to their dorms.
Screencap is followed by
Shuuki: And what is that supposed to mean?
Dorm Mom: Oh I've heard all about you, Shuuki-san, and your umm, /reputation/. No philandering is allowed here, alright?
She's kinda glaring too. P sure that's really inappropriate to say to a fucking student what the hell.Even if Shuuki is a slut.
>>125730819
I'll post them up here, at the very least. I don't know if I'll remember to upload them anywhere. If there's an image gallery when I'm done though, I'll do my best!
>>125730806
I think that's missing the forest for the trees tbqhwyf
>>125731118
>dorm mom has a side sprite
What. Is dorm mom the main character now?
>>125731118
>random chara in side image
why
>>125731118
So they have their room assignments and Natsume's anxious. He's rooming with Yuki! Shuuki is rooming with Chiaki and Masaharu has some nameless person.
I quite like Chiaki's sass.
>>125731713
Chiaki is further explaining the bathroom situation and saying he claimed the perfect slot for the past two years, and in short, Shuuki's fucked about getting a reasonable timeslot for showers.
Here's our choices! Vote and we continue in 15 minutes (10:14 EST).
>>125731450
>>125731420
many games use side sprites for speakers that don't have visible sprites on screen, why is this so shocking?
>>125732006
Say nothing.No Chiaki route, he looks like a lesbian.
>>125732006
make him share, it's a dorm bathroom jfc.
>>125730495
It doesn't seem to be a scam they're just as slow and useless as most newbie devs who have no idea of how much work it is to finish their Grand Idea
Q: If I am making a VN set on the night before Christmas, is it absolutely imperative that I release it on/before Christmas day? The Christmas part is not essential to the plot and can actually be removed, but I like it at Christmas. New Years would also work, but I like it at Christmas.
Would you read a VN set on Christmas day, even after Christmas?
It's about as relevant as Christmas is in the first Die Hard movie.
>>125734104
As a followup, everything should be done well before Christmas day (target is 23rd) but I do want to have some time to beta test it / get feedback / make changes.
I suppose corrections could be made in a followup patch though.
>>125734104
(if it's a free game) Just finish it and then wait until next year. Maybe work on another vn in the meantime.
>>125734104
If you get it out between christmas and new years, that's close enough to Christmas for me to still enjoy chrsitmas things.
If you wait until April, then it's far enough from Christmas that it doesn't matter, Christmas can be a far distant setting.
Releasing a game set on Christmas in January feels lame though.
>>125734365
The Christmas thing is entirely non-essential. I should probably just scrap it so that the VN can be read all year round without much consideration for date and will still get downloads "off season".
The interests of the team are to have "any release" in our name ASAP, as long as it's quality.
Thanks
>>125734365
>>125734374
>>125732332
But I likeboys that look like cute lesbians.
>>125732341
Thanks for your vote!
We're going with the sharing choice!
I don't think it's that critical to release on or right before Christmas. It's always nice when a game can come out when it's set season-wise, but it's not always possible. I don't think people are usually all that picky unless it's like a Christmas theme game.
>>125732006
>>125734831
Forgot to link them.
Shuuki wants to bathe with Chiaki. Chiaki is having none of this.
Pick Shuuki's timeslot for showers! Masaharu claimed 11PM on the third floor and Natsume claimed 5:30AM on the first floor, if that's of any relevance. Chiaki has 7AM on the second floor.
Fifteen minutes for voting starting now.
>>125735739
One of the morning ones.
>>125735739
6:oo am.
>>125728735
Download RPA Extractor and rip the assets so you can look through the CGs. You can probably find out that way.
>>125736386
Thats a great idea. I bet its that creepy white haired kid though.
>>125735739
>>125735948
>>125736018
6AM it is!
I'm having more crazy theories. Like maybe Yuki caused Fuyuka's death and that's why Natsume's kind of uncomfortable around the guy. He vaguely remembers SOMETHING.
>>125736764
I'm guessing it's the time traveler dude.
>>125737151
This is my guess too. Maybe he wanted Shuuki to become a time traveler for reasons, so he set the whole plot up.
>>125737129
It's August 5th, 2012!
Sweet fuck another choice. Okay guys, it's breakfast, Chiaki's showing him how it all works.
Screencap is the particular lines of dialogue that leads up to these choices:
>You never come around anymore.
>You're Ani-ue's friend, not mine.
We continue in 10 minutes, since it seems like only a couple of people are voting.
Also, captcha thinks bubble tea is a milkshake. Okay.
>>125737567
>expecting a machine to understand food
>>125737567
Make him cry.
>You're Ani-ue's friend, not mine. I wonder if there's a Bitch Ending you can get.
>>125737748
I thought it was amusing, that's all.
>>125737843
oops
>>125737567
>>125734831
>>125731713
>>125729512
Every time I read anything BL I am reminded that men in BL are to men in real life what girls in Moege are to real girls/women.
It's painful reading it from the other side.
>>125738327
Painful? I never think that of moege. It's idealized fantasy girls, it was never meant to replicate reality. Dunno why you would be pained over this.
>>125737567
Okay, it's been 10 minutes so I guess we're going with this!
>>125737843
>You're Ani-ue's friend, not mine.
I think your plan backfired, anon. He doesn't seem to give a shit.
So the killer issome random grill?
>>125738809
Where did you get that idea from?
>>125738673
So lots of talking about Natsu not opening up to Chiaki about whatever it is, and then the best boy himself appears!
He's up at 6:30AM for some reason, some reason being "things" that he won't explain.
Chiaki breaks the ice nicely.
>>125739098
Natsume's the killer. Calling it now.
>>125739098
Fuck, now I ship Chiaki and Natsume.
ADACHI IS THE KILLER
>>125739098
Next day, Shuuki's getting ready to shower. He runs into Yukinari and it turns out, the 530 slot that Natsume took was originally Yuki's! Someone erased his name.
Yuki and Natsu tl;dr share a slot, which doesn't quite work since Shuuki has the slot after the 5:30 AM slot and Natsu does NOT want to shower with Yuki. Shuuki is suspicious of Yuki, but anyway, we're brought to this choice.
Sorry for the odd cropping. I have a very active Skype chat going.
Ten minutes again! Vote vote!
>>125739365
Same.
>>125739236
Best boy can't be murderer. I refuse to believe this.
I am the killer.
>>125739760
Takbir.
>>125739652
Yuki.
>>125739652
Wait, hold on, what? They sign up to use the showers?
>>125739652
Something seems a bit screwy about that perspective
>>125740118
It's the notecards.
>>125732006
>>125735739
>>125737129
>>125739934
I may have failed to outright mention that, sorry, but yeah they have to pick timeslots to use the showers and then that's their slot for the year.
Feel free to ask questions! I might miss things or not give enough detail and I apologize for that.
>>125740118
My denial about Natsume being the killer?
>>125739880
I'm going to take that to mean "offer to share with Yukinari"
>>125740318
Yes, that is what I meant. It's time to lather up and get down with the brown in the showers.
>>125739789
https://youtu.be/e0zw_IalMWk
Freshly re-uploaded.
>>125740318
>they have to pick timeslots to use the showers and then that's their slot for the year.
What. That's not how communal showers work.
>>125740625
Then how do they work?
>>125740441
Your choice is the winner since no one else voted!
>>125740625
In this case it is. To be honest, I can see why it's that way. It's a building full of teenage boys and there seems to only be one room with two showers per floor (going off the first floor here) so I can see how that would turn into a clusterfuck very quickly.
>>125740923
You just go in and use them.
>>125740939
Why do they have bathrooms with only two showers? Why not have a gym type of bathroom with stalls and shit? Is this a Japanese thing?
>>125740939
OH OH OH NATSUME'S BLUSHING.
What a development!
>>125741059
They haven't explained that much. I'm guessing either this wasn't always a dorm building or when it was built, they underestimated how many students would use it.
>>125741059
To set up this scene, and because the author probably has never stayed in a dorm.
>>125741059
>Is this a Japanese thing?
No it's not.
>>125741174
So he is banging Yukinari. Do you get to cuck your own brother then?
>>125741174
Yuki: It's okay Natsume. I'll take good care of your brother.
Natsume: !!! o_o
Note: The text didn't say that, but I don't know how else to describe his reaction and I can't roll back to get a shot of it.
P sure Yuki wants to fuck Shuuki. Congrats, Yuki-loving-anon!
Meanwhile Shuuki cuts to the chase.
>>125741532
I'm not sure I want to read about Shuuki moaning "Ani-ue" though I swear to god this used to have an incest tag. Someone please tell me I'm misremembering or confirm that I'm not.
Also, considering Natsume's demeanor, I bet Yuki's fucking him rather than Natsume initiating shit.What I want is for Shuuki to moan Natsume's name. His actual name. Give me intimacy dammit.
>>125741739
>Yuki: It's okay Natsume. I'll take good care of your brother.
Another gay slut whose thirst for dick can't be quenched, baka
>>125741739
They were talking about street harassment, being mistaken for women (Shuuki doesn't care and doesn't experience frequent street harassment because he's rarely alone, if any of you are interested).
Also Yuki's from a fancypants family that was disappointed when he wasn't born a girl (because the doctor told them baby Yuki would be a girl). There aren't many women in that family.
And then we have this. Bye.
>>125741739
Whose going to be the dev that steps up to make the BL incest vn we all secretly need?
>>125742187
Hisako: D- Don't drop the soap? Who wrote this?
That's paraphrased a bit but here's what came after.
Chapter 3: Everyone dies of heat stroke. The end!
>>125742494
Shuuki got lonely, sat in the common area for a bit, had one of his water nightmares and now it's August 27th.
Spoiler! Shuuki pretty much has no friends. Surprise! He's all alone right now.
Now! He's gonna do his homework. He's gone downstairs to the common room to try to work, where there's already people! What do we do?
Vote please!
>>125742872
Psst, there's no image.
>>125742872
>>125744098
Holy fuck, why can't these things stay attached, and why didn't I notice??
Thanks anon. No wonder no one's voting.
>>125744402
Uhh
>>125744402
Uhh sounds like a great option.
>>125744402
Let's go with Uhh.....
>>125744402
Uhh..
>>125744402
"Uhh..." it is! Thanks for your votes (>>125744493 >>125744495 >>125744537 >>125744552)!
In this pic, Masa discovers that Shuuki has Fucked Up.
Also I'm going to stop for the night soon.
>>125744901
Masa's gonna help Shuuki with his homework! Shuuki is surprised by this.
Is Masa supposed to be tsundere? Is that why he's such a prick most of the time?? We'll find out... tomorrow maybe. I'm stopping for the night. I'll do more sometime tomorrow!
Thanks for voting and discussing, everyone! I'm having a lot of fun with the game, honestly, but the community interactions make it better!
>>125745312
Good night, anon!
Should we start shitposting to bump now?
>>125747096
More like start shitposting totrump:^)
>>125747096Backgrounds
>>125747434
Build wall?
Why haven't you played this new and exciting EVN?
>>125749510
This is why we need eugenics.
>>125749983
At least the coloring is shiny
There's actually alot of furry vn projects out there.
bmuop
>Christmas is next week
>it'll be 2016 in 2 weeks
What the FUCK
>>125756898
Oh come on, it's still 2015. For a couple weeks, at least.
>>125756898
>i'll be 26 next year
>a christmas cake
Kill me
>>125757052
I'd rather fuck you.
>>125756942
I've accomplished nothing with my life. Just failed project after project. Not even in only game project wise, but life in general. I've been on this planet for 20 years and I have accomplished nothing. What am I doing.
>>125757339
You're barely out of diapers, no one expects you to have accomplished anything yet. Right now you're supposed to be trying a bunch of shit and failing at all of it so that you know what you want to focus on. You have at least seven more years before you get to freak out.
>>125757291
No thanks
>>125757339
>I've been on this planet for 20 years
>>125757052
I'll be 26 in less than 3 weeks. Should be fun!
>>125757480
>>125757560
That don't mean shit. All these other people, the same age as me, even younger, are accomplishing more things than I ever have. If they can do it, why haven't I? Why haven't any of you? I am not happy.
>>125758880
>If they can do it, why haven't I?
Because you're a little bitch asking questions like this instead of working, maybe? Get shit done in the best way you possibly can, then you can complain about it not selling or the market. You didn't even put in the work necessary to earn the right to whine yet.
>Why haven't any of you?
Speak for yourself, not everyone here is devoid of accomplishments.
>I am not happy.
What is happiness? Who is happy? Why should accomplishing anything make you happier for longer than 3 whole seconds?
The answer is "it doesn't matter, get back to work".
>>125726516
can't unsee Wojak nose
Anyone with games on steam? How many copies have you sold?Han Solo is killed by his son, Kylo Ren (the new sith)
>>125760047
About 30k, expecting to go over 35k this Steam Sale.
>>125760047
Guess he couldn't solo that boss.
>>125760047
how can someone as handsome as Han produce such an ayylien looking offspring? What did he fuck?
>>125760578
Leia's incestuous daughter.
>>125758880
The amounts I have made have changed wildly though out my life. I have gone from "relatively rich" to "broke poor" to "actually rich" to "dwindling unemployment" to "wow super rich" to "he's doing okay".
Accomplishing something at a young age is meaningless. Look at Jamarcus Russell, Raiders QB. He accomplished amazing things for an athlete, his life was set, all he had to do was play the fucking game and he would have had hundreds of millions of dollars.
What happened? The guy drank purple drank until his career died.
---
Here's a lesson for you. Teenagers and 20-somethings do not account for much in this world. They are shit. The ones that do imagine they are accomplishing something-- well, they are dancing on the strings of a lot of other, much older, much more connected and experienced people.
Real life is not a fantasy book, by and large. Odd things happen, but they are just flukes. What matters is building your legacy. Whether the tortoise or the hare wins the race can only be determined at the finish line.
And the finish line is nowhere near 20 years.
>>125762825
I couldn't have put it so eloquently, ever. Completely agreed.
Why update at all if it's going to be like this?
>>125762825
But Dad, I want it all! I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now!
>>125767025
I didn't even know what that is but apparently it's yet another KS clone. Also the second result on google leads me to a reddit post saying they tried to make KS 2 without the dev's consent.
>>125767615
It's like a car crash you can't stop watching. But they're not even trying to help themselves at this point.
>tfw Py'Tom still haven't updated the blog aggregator.
>>125769872
>Py'Tom
>Updating anything other than things to make Waifus
I would like to thank the kind anons yesterday that reminded me Sunrider was shit.
I was able to enjoy the games I already owned at work, but I did not feel the desire to pay for the new one's beta thanks to you.
Since the BCM playthrough was the last thing I saw before I fell asleep last night, I dreamt about it and now know who the killer is. It's that Yuki kid. >>125741739 is foreshadowing of his darker nature. They're not banging, he's sexually abusing Natsume, and is stone cold under his kind facade.
It was a pretty vivid dream so it can't be wrong. We even discussed it in the dream thread.
>>125756898
I'll be 26 in 3 days. It feels like I'll be hitting a turning point in my life and it's all downhill from here.
>>125759089
>>125762825
This is what I want to say.
>>125757339
>>125758880
This is how I actually feel.
>>125762825
>Accomplishing something at a young age is meaningless.
Literally retarded. Some guy fucked something up and that means success at youth is meaningless? I mean, I get where you're going, but that point is total nonsense.
I want to cuddle with some of you gay faggots.
>>125760147
That's a good number. Congrats!
>>125776540
I just want the Jouya-shaped anon to come over for shitpost and chill.
>>125684993
Who is JP?
I try to look up but gets me japanese websites.
>>125780403
Justin Putin
>>125780403
We are all JP.vnsnow
>>125780403
John [Ellis] Pushover.
>>125780475
You can't ruse me, KGB. I know if I look up, I will be sent to work camp.
>>125776540
But i'm a bisexual faggot so can we have a girl or at least someone who is pretending to be a girl cuddle with us too?
>>125780640
I'll put on the skirt just for you.
>>125780719
Would you be okay with actual girl, though? Just curious. You would not have to touch.
I bet JP's real name is Johannes Percival or something fucked up like that.
>>125780813
It's all okay.
>>125780898
Does anyone happen to know where I could find his review of Sunrider stuff?
I feel like the creators had an idea that was serviceable and then they fucked it into the ground and I want to see someone rip it a new one so I can be like YES. THIS IS WHAT I AM FEELING.
>>125780898
I have on good authority that it is Jack Powers.
>>125780898
Justin Peepers.
>>125779810
Jouya was p cute... She's easily the best character in the Menagerie.
>>125773596
We'll see this evening, anon! Though I have no idea how far we actually are in the game. Not very, I guess.
We'll see where your dream-theory goes. My bets are also on Yuki, honestly.
>>125780804
What the fuck?
boomp
>>125760047
I don't know, a couple hundred thousand?
> News about backstage pass next week
maybe we'll finally get a release date?
Why am I cursed with just enough optimism to believe in shitty games?
>>125794887
Because life is boring if you eeyore all the time
>>125793554
You don't know the exact amount? You are SC2VN writer?
>>125795750
But I know it's a bad idea, I even heard objective proof it's a bad idea, but I still want to do it.
>>125795803
Many things are objectively bad ideas. Getting drunk, for example. But what fun would life be if you never did anything stupid?
>>125797852
Getting drunk is only objectively bad if you do harmful things while drunk.
>>125788335
Just googled it for anon sempai.
>>125798193
Yeah I know but the results: what the fuck. Are those Justin Bieber and Putin hybrids?
The world is a terrifying place.
>>125797852
I can do stupid things without poisoning my body, thank you very much. Straightedge 4 life.
>>125799032
>saying things like this
Well, at least you aren't buying Sunrider.
>>125799362
One day the veil of alcohol shall be lifted from your eyes and you can enjoy a pure, clean life.
>>125797979
Nah, losing control/inhibition isn't the only negative aspect of alcohol in large quantities. In fact, alcohol is objectively bad for you in general, but no one cares too much.
>>125799032
Don't be silly.I'm actually straight edge for real.
>>125799793
>large quantities
I drink a fifth every month or two. You ever hear of sipping whiskey?
>>125799865
And you get drunk from that? Girlfriend, you must be really fucking petite.
>>125800194
Depends on what you consider drunk.
I enjoy the slight swirl, where you start to get inebriated but not where you're incapacitated. I consider that drunk since you can't work or drive like that.
>>125799032
I don't really drink much either, honestly, most of it tastes awful to me. I only go in for super-sweet mixed drinks, and those are desserts, not a thing to have often.
/evn/ - pillow talk and lightweight drinkers
>>125800521
I prefer to think of it as a conservationist.
>>125800474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4TGGtPzBU
>>125801617
Literally nothing in that bio sounds appealing.
Can you use kickstarter for r18 evns?
>>125801773
CooT and Star Fighter did it.
>>125801773
Face Fuck Tentacle Adventures? No. VN that happens to have naughty scenes in it? Yeah. Just look at AJTilley, or Huniepop.
>>125801758
She'd make a pretty interesting serial killer but I'm guessing that's not where that was headed.
>>125801617
>mood shifts and overreaction
>has a long-term boyfriend who fights back
pick one and one only
I'm having such a hard time designing the clothing for my characters that I'm thinking of hiring a concept artist. I wont but it's sad to get to that point.
>>125803309
If your characters are normal people think about where they might shop and go look at catalogues/websites for those brands.
>>125803309
Are you the fantasy anon? You might be caring too much about functionality. Stop it. Look at other games and manga for inspiration, or even ren fair costumes.
If you're not that guy, google [adjective] outfits and scroll through the image results. If you see a piece of clothing you particularly like like a specific type of shirt or something, google outfits with it.
>>125803309
Post them, maybe it's just you and your expectations.
>>125807041
That gui isn't half bad
>>125805360
who finds these guys appealing? do little girls really like this?
>>125808397
You mean, because a character is somewhat flamboyant/dandyish, or because he has a girl's name, which is sort of weird, or because he is dark-skinned, or because he's an elf, or because he has long hair?
Plenty of adult women enjoy slender long-haired elfboys.
Being named Lucy is not commonly appealing to girls that I know of, and the bizarre fashion choices are a matter of taste. Glam rockers and macaronis have been things that attracted at least subsets of women.
>>125808397
I like okamas/really flamboyant guys but then again my tastes aren't exactly common.
>>125809450
I love them but I wouldn't date them. My hope is they find love off-screen with a dependable man and aren't just a funny joke
>>125808397givememybears
I really want to hire aurocyanide for GUI now but she's closed and has a job. Probably for the best since she's a tad expensive.
>>125809872
I got your back, anon.
>>125810053
Not really expensive, from what I've seen of her prices.
>>125808397
I won't date a guy if he's not willing to put on a dress, at least in private.
What's the vn that blew up in popularity a while back about the burned slave girl. Not katawa shoujo. The one with the head pats.
>>125809613
>My hope is they find love off-screen with a dependable man and aren't just a funny joke
Underrated post. More vns should have romances for side characters.
>>125810789
I spend 250 or so for a full gui so yeah, she's a tad more expensive. Extra screens are also a bit pricey at 50-100$
>>125811078
Teaching Feeling.
>>125811657
Thanks senpai.
How's yall writing going? I only wrote about a thousand today ;_;
>>125813161
Abysmally.
I don't write, I only finished a CG today.
>>125813161
It's going okay. I wrote about 1400 last night and im editing a 2300 word scene to script.
>>125801773
Just have a stretch goal for tasteful love scenes. Use No One But You and Starlight Vega as examples on how to do this
I like her lines. Her coloring style is another thing though, too bright.
>>125795796
not me. SC2VN has 60k DLs and 35k players (ie, people that actually played it after downloading it) on steam. also has 15k from itchio.
>>125813161
i wrote two thousand today easybecause it wasn't for a game :(
>>125817185
I like her faces, but those boobs look just as pasted on as when she colors them.
Does mangagamer ever intend to bring their forums back or have they found a quiet way to get rid of all the fans who talk too much?
>>125819086
It's being worked on. The forum data was lost in the server trouble, so we're looking into other, better community options since we have to start over from scratch anyway. It might be a little while but they'll be back eventually (and hopefully much better).
Hey guys! I'm not sure if I'll be able to continue the BCM playthrough tonight. I have some personal issues going on this evening.
Depending on how things go, I might do a little very late (like 4AM EST) or pick up tomorrow night.
Sorry, everyone!
>>125817185
>those breasts
Why is this so common? How hard is it to give them proper shape and form? Breasts are just as varied and unique as faces, and should be rendered as such. Only a kid could get a rise out of looking at beach balls or ovals.
>>125819274
>Good Haro browses evn
So what evn you gonna play for new years?
>random MG rep
wut
>>125819396
You've singlehandedly doomed the general.
>>125819586
Maybe kids are the customer base.
>>125819396
That's cool, I'm always up at 4 am anyways.
>>125819709
If you can't bump in my place for a night then we don't deserve to live.
>>125819790
I demand that all artists drawing breasts cater to my years of experience and refined taste.
>>125819696
Been looking at that bird attorney game, but it feels a little like cheating since it's not really a conventional evn.
>>125819701
I've been lurking for a while. Sorry, didn't mean to creep you guys out.
>>125819586
>How hard is it to give them proper shape and form?
Speaking as someone trying to make a fanservice game; very hard. To make them appealing to the audience as well as forming a lump of fat on screen depending on the chara position isnt easy. Those do look terrible thou
I don't see what the problem is, they look like regular ol anime titties. Are you all women?
>>125819701
She's on /bl+Otome/ and /y/, this shouldn't be surprising she browses here as well.
>>125822491
Jvn and evn fans don't tend to mix as much as you'd think.
Mangagamer is so trashy. There's thousands of nice nukige out there and they bring over scat and guro stuff like Euphoria. They also publish AJTilley.
>>125822924
Not all of us are satisfied with vanilla sex.
>>125822367
I like my anime titties to have weight to em.
>>125822924
That's because they are cheap to get and it's what the average schmuck likes.
>>125822367
They look a little egglike but it doesn't particularly bother me.
>>125823393
I dno't thinkt he average schmuck is into scat
>>125823691
The average schmuck (redditor) loves playing games for "le irony xxDD". Also it is only one game compared to all of the rest of MG's titles.
>>125823941
Starless
>>125822367
I am a fine titty connoisseur. Those titties look cheap and artificial. If you've been in the titty business long enough, those sorts of imitations no longer provide any excitement or desire and instead become little more than a point of ire.
Shitposter reporting for duty.
>>125824115
Starless isn't MG, idiot.
>>125824257
You have been clocked in. You are 4 hours late. Your employment has been terminated.
>>125824493
>clocked in
Only Ahmed the Clock Boy can clock. Stop appropriating scam culture.
How hard would it be to find an artist to collaborate for a free nukige?
>>125813161
Terribly, haven't written anything just ideas, but thank god I am finally out of school so I'll have much, much more time to write.
>>125826781
Depends on what your level of collaboration is. Most artists are aware that porn is a thing people are motivated to buy and expect to be paid well for it, if they're willing to draw it at all. Others get a kick out of drawing naked fun but they are likely to want to do their own thing and not draw what you ask them to.
You can't really use a nukige for portfolio-building, unless you're trying to get hired by winged cloud or something, so they have a lot less incentive.
>>125826781
Speaking personally, I'd be game for working on a free project if I knew the other team members got shit done.
Would also depend on what the fetishes are.
>>125826781
Near impossible.
HEY
>>125830634
Hey! I'm busy watching the new Godzilla movie to learn what not to do in storytelling.
Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.
I've got some chocolate chip cookies in the oven. I you're a good boy or girl and post progress, you can have one. You can have two if it's actually tangible, i.e. a picture or a pastebin.
>>125826781
It would be difficult, but not impossible. The issue is finding an artist who is not a flake. The reputation is not undeserved for many artists-- and others have very real priorities like producing works FOR money that they cannot stray from. That does consume a lot of energy.
One approach to recruitment may be to write good erotic stories in a public medium of some kind, gain a following, and then try to recruit from those interested.
If you can actually write a compelling nukige premise, have really solid technical writing skill, and are a functional project manager-- I think you could pull it off.
If you cannot write well enough to do that, you need to find a way to demonstrate what you would bring to a team.
---
I have spent all day writing and I am feeling completely burned. But some advice I have after writing all day is that research really pays off. I spent a lot of time researching lock-picking, safe-cracking, types of locks, the history of locks, locksmiths guilds in Florence, etc. All of that research is paying off in spades.
Lock-picking in stories is neglected as an activity-- and characters seem to be able to do it for convenience. But being able to describe exactly what is going on makes it much more fun and vivid. In a Heist story, I think details like that add a layer of authenticity that makes the story more engaging and believable.
My editor is also nowhere to be found, which is unfortunate.
>>125831464
Here's a snipsnip of me rough draft. Where my choco cookies?
>>125831690
Why do you use so many line breaks.
>>125832726
Steinbeck pls
>>125832747
It looks nicer.
>>125832870
I've asked a panel of experts and 9 out of 10 agree it does not.
>>125832952
But it does. It's better than a wall of text. Spaced text looks easier on the eyes.
>>125832726
Here you are, pal.
>>125832852
I wish.
>>125833278
Thanks pal.
>>125832747
It's probably because I'm tired and I've been writing in script form all day. So while there are a few meaty NVL parts, most of the writing is line writing. But I have done it before and I actually do not know why I do it, it's a subconscious habit that just happens whenever I click a post number and reply to it.
I actually do not do not do it in my own writing and tend to keep things in organized paragraphs. My biggest weakness is probably comma abuse and an over-fondness for en dash. Also I suck.
>>125811357
Me too, hence why I try to give everyone some closure in my works.
>>125813161
>Getting writing done today
I'm gonna write 50k in a week! Believe it!
>>125834228
So long as you just repeat the same word 50,000 times, yeah, I could believe it.
>>125834228
Have fun editing it down to 10k.
I have a sinking feeling my project lead is an idea guy and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
>>125835337
What do you mean? What does he do? Writing? Drawing? BG? Programmer? Musician?
>>125835412
He programs and writes, but he works really closely with another programmer and writer. Ive noticed that work for the game didnt budge until the other guy is around and took a hiatus when he did. I asked him some questions about the build code and he had no clue what I was talking about. I know I sound looney but its like a gut feeling I have. So I think now he can write and code but not to the extent the other person can, but still claims credit.
>>125837092
Why not just talk to the other guy and see what he has to say? If he's doin all the work, then he'll tell you.
>>125837092
I think you need to trust your feelings on this. If you've been working on this for a long time, you have enough data to make conclusions. That said, even if the PM/Lead is an idea guy, that does not necessarily mean that the project is doomed. The question is if the team itself has enough leadership to make progress and if you have seen enough progress so far to be happy. If it hasn't, then it is best to move on.
You may also want to make sure that your idea of project timeline matches the team's. I think if you're an artist this can be especially important. I also do not think it would be inappropriate to show what you have been working on, ask what they have been working on, and then ask if you can see it. I am not sure how your project is structured, but on teams of more than two people, it is best to have a repository where you can see work as it comes in, and have a grasp of who is doing what.
somebody...pos..t...progres.s...........
>>125838882
6/10 scripts done, each script is about 1.5k words
Short game, please no bully.
>>125839073
Post more. What's it about? What's the plot? Who's your favorite character, is it the main character or a side character? What's the genre? Have you ever written in that genre before?
>tfw school library is shut down for winter break now
>tfw gotta drive 15 miles to the county library
>tfw would just rather go to the starbucks because it's closer but I'm scared the workers will get mad I'm not gonna buy anything
>>125840202
Buy like, one cheap coffee and then just sit there all day. They're not gonna care unless you make an ass of yourself.
>>125840778
How much is their cheapest coffee? Does starbucks even have a dollar menu?
>>125841126
I think you're looking at $2, maybe a little more, for a plain cup of coffee? Their menu online unfortunately doesn't list prices.
>>125841126
Are dollar menus a thing anywhere anymore?
>>125841425
It's 3.50
>>125841425
>more than 2 dollars for a plain ass cup of coffee
Jesus, I can't spend 2+$ every day. Wait, I got an idea. What if I just order a drink, but keep the cup. So when I go there the next day, before I go inside, I'll sneak in my cup from yesterday. So whenever they'll look over, I'll just take a "sip" of "coffee"(actually air) from my starbucks cup. I doubt they would remember if I had bought anything that day. Right?
>>125841863
Really? Shit. It went up.
>>125841895
You could also try some of this shit. I think the average barista doesn't have the energy or time to care.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/04/23/cheap-starbucks-drinks/
>>125841846
Yes, Wendys and mcdonalds have dollar menus. Wendys has a 4pc for 99c (actually 1.05 because of tax). So I can get a 4pc (with a free sauce)(1.05), a chocolate frosty (1.05), and a cup of water (0.00) and a value fry (1.05) to have it all amount to 3.15 total. If I'm feeling extra fat, I can get a jr. cheese burger for 1.05 as well but I am rarely ever that hungry.
>>125841863
Jesus christ.
>>125841895
Ya'll need jesus
>>125841895
A decent-sized cup of coffee from most places here is about $2.25 but this is San Francisco so you don't expect it to be cheap. I don't know if the prices are different at an actual Starbucks, coffee is coffee.
Where the hell is it $3.50 other than inside a hotel?
>>125839212
I described it very briefly in the previous thread like this: "It's a heist story in a fantasy setting. We have a a con man who oozes with sleaze (some call it charm), a wizard pyrotechnician who dabbles in the art of surliness, and a bright-eyed fox-eared safe-cracker who's something of a sniping sass-master. Together, they rob nobles!"
The story is heavily focused on the trio performing the heist and I would consider them all to be main characters. While I love all of them, my favorite would be Aldamir, the elf pyrotech wizard. The VN is very focused on their current adventure rather than their pasts, but I enjoyed writing his biography. Basically, he was once a the head of the Destruction Department of a country's magic academy. He achieved the position through merit but lacked the tact and patience for the politics of Academia. He held this position for roughly forty years. However, the rise of artillery and the mass production of guns made the school of Destruction magic less important. As he became a less valuable asset and stood in the way of success of many of his peers, he was ousted from the Academy and stripped of his salary.
In order to provide for himself, he had to do something with his only talent: Destruction. He ends up becoming a performer, creating displays for parties (excerpt from bio).
"At first, he hated the idea of reducing the noble art of magic to a mere spectacle. But after he created that spectacle and witnessed the dazzling rapture of lights and explosions he became entranced by it. He started seeking ever more extreme effects, increasingly brazen displays, and with each show his fervor grew wilder and wilder as he pushed the boundaries of magic further and further. Of course, his obsession lead to where obsession always leads-- disaster."
He causes a fatal accident and is stripped of his license to practice magic. With no legitimate employment available, he turns to crime.
>>125842259
Maybe $2.50, I forget, I'm not the coffee drinker but I'm sure it's not $3.
>>125842342
(cont)
Honestly, I have written a lot of fantasy, but most of it has been in the context of DMing for Dungeons and Dragons / Unknown Armies / Call of Cthulhu. I also once ran a role-playing board with really strict standards for entry (I wanted to write with people who had strong styles or were really sincere about wanting to write).
So this story so far feels like a really fun D&D campaign. It is more puzzle focused. It's going to be very short (the priority of my artist is to have it published ASAP, he has been on too many projects that have died) but I really hope you guys enjoy it. I hope that my writing is at least entertaining and that you feel a fraction of what I do for Lyle, Dasha, and Aldamir. If it is well received, I have also written what I would call "the outside" of the heist, which places our trio as pawns in a very dangerous game of power politics, conspiracy, and revolution.
It's tree fiddy
>>125840778
>>125841425
>>125842095
>>125842259
Never mind I have a better idea. I was thinking, maybe I could go on ebay, order a Starbucks uniform. I go in early, say 6 am. I introduce myself, say hello, tell them I was just recently hired. I then go about my day, "pretend working". Then, they will give me a break. I will use this 30 min break to write. And then I will get back to work when that 30 minutes is over. Then I go in the next day to "pretend work" some more, like take peoples orders, clean, or whatever the hell starbucks workers do. And then when payday comes, I'll write myself a fake check. I will then seal this fake check in a fake letter. So when my manager is passing out checks, I will simply whip out the "fake check" and tell him he already handed me my check. I can then continue this charade for as long as I need to, "working" as a "employee" at Starbucks. This way, I'm not spending money but I am also getting some writing done. Foolproof.
>>125842939
dude it aint funny no more
just what i need, a jealous, overprotective asshole for my murder project
>>125842939
You need to start writing, bro.
>>125842939
I dare you to write a VN where the protag tries this shit.
Also you're forgetting that you get free coffee on the job.
>>125739098
Why do Western artists love noses so much?
>>125822924
Euphoria is legit good though, and it has an interesting plot behind all of the scat and torture porn. Not necessarily something amazing, but interesting nevertheless.
>>125838882
The artist got some more expressions for the sprites. Every time I see Dracula I lament not including an older LI - oh well, next time.before you ask, next week. I promise!
>>125844239
Beat all the whores and the whore is the antagonist?
>>125844382
There's always DLC
>>125843682
> devs keep signing with sekai
are we missing something? They don't seem to do that much.
the half-closed eyes of the mc in bcm makes him look like he has downs or something
>>125819586
You know breasts actually do look like that when supported right, you actually looked at references, right, right?
>>125844995
>You know breasts actually do look like that when supported right
Go find a picture.
>>125844995
> strapless dress at half boob
> support
anon...
>>125844643
There's literally no place to fit another LI, though. It would have to be more akin to a fan disc, if anything.
>>125845216
Not every bra has shoulder straps, anon...
>>125845378
If your bra is just barely above your nipple, it's too small.
>>125844986
Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks that.
>>125844382
My struggle is going to be picking one to start with.
>>125844702
Well, you keep seeing clueless idiots come into this very thread going "How do I market a game? If I sell my soul to Sekai, everything will be all right, right?"
They do it because they think it's what they're supposed to do. Because surely, someone wouldn't take a share of your profits unless they were going to give you good service in return.
Any oelvn that deals with heavy stuff? Like rape, heroin, etc?
>>125844382
I bet it'd be weird fucking an invisible dude.
>>125845378
Breasts supported by strapless bras don't look like solid eggs, there's a shift in the flesh between where it comes down on top and where it's being pushed up from the bottom.
>>125846158
my oelvn is basically 120 days of sodom but with catgirls
>>125844986
They all look like they have the downs.
>>125846158
Mine does, among other trauma elements.
Is this how I market? Do I just talk about the fucked up parts?
>>125846198
Not really. Just take the bandages off his ass, keep the rest of bandages/clothes on.
>>125846513
This may partly be because I keep catching screenshots midblink.
>>125846158
What kind of 'deals with'? I mean, there are rape fetish games, there are rape angst games, there are 'it's in the background and you overlook it but then you realize' rape games...
>>125846305
>>125846508
I meant actual good/OK games. That are already out.
>>125846653
If your balls touch invisible balls, and no one can verify that ball touching took place does that mean it's not gay?
>>125846648
Absolutely. It'll make me pick up your game at least.
>>125846823
Not fetish. Like a drug addicted main character, or a LI who was raped in the past. Serious shit.
>>125846198
You could do plenty of lewd things, for sure.
>>125846871
No, it is gay. You know your balls touched invisible balls, and he knows you touched his invisible balls. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they are gone. They're still there, and you touched them. That means you gay.
>>125846996
That just sounds like edge-lord shit.
>>125846996
Eh, just play Cupid, it handles dark stuff, it's decent, and it's free, it should keep you busy for a while.
>>125847209
Being a drug addict or being raped is edgy?
>>125847434
Can you give me a small spoiler without anything game breaking? I dont want to play it that much but i love dark stories
>>125847845
She rapes her mom.
>tfw can't indulge in fetishes without being called an edgelord
>>125847845
Desire makes people do fucked-up things, including murder, and a character cuts up her own face to try and be less sexually attractive.
>>125844382
Guys on the ends are cute. Everyone in the middle...ugh. Are they four lesbians?
>>125848036
Yuukuri Panic Escalation is that you?
>>125848361
>not liking invisible tumblr toilet paper hipsters
Get some taste faggot.
>>125848257
>a character cuts up her own face to try and be less sexually attractive
If this were a Japanese game that'd just get her raped even harder.
>>125848489
Well...
>>125848036
somebody make a Something ABout the Jeffersons evn
imouto-tan? din din's ready. oh, you're playing video games. ill just leave it in the microwave desu~yo
>>125848656
Looks like I've got something to read.
>>125848257
>a character cuts up her own face to try and be less sexually attractive
hi dingaling
>>125848740
Me too.
I'm thinking about putting a rape scene in my next game since it's clearly my kink.
>just now realized a key element to my story is an unintended reference to the holocaust
Fuck.
>>125848484
But toilet paper is a tool of the patriarchy! Real lesbians don't wipe. They can shake it off just like men, you see.
>>125849515
Real lesbians have a toilet attendant that will lick them clean. It's better for the environment, too!
>>125848361
Isn't the one in the red dress an actual girl though?
>>125844382
>next week
Will it at least come out before Christmas?
>>125850096
Yurination vn when?
How much do you care about side characters? Do you care about their back stories and motivations, or would you a vn solely focus on the love interests instead?
>>125850228
Yes.
>>125850392
Also yes.
>>125850835
Yes!
>>125850416
Sekai's next project?
Where are all the well drawn moe evn? Where are they?!
>>125851613
You'd be better off learning jap.
>>125851613
>enjoying moe
>>125850591
Depends on how interesting they are, but a world feels empty if there's nothing but you and the love interests.
The problem is always that when side characters start getting interesting, someone is going to start whining about them not being fuckable. (Of course, even giving someone a sprite is enough for people to start that up.)
>>125852697
The artwork is cute and pleasing to look at. I liked to feel loved by cute 2D characters, why is that so wrong?
>>125850591
To give an example of a VN I know that does 'giving one full time side character' badly, Sunrider Academy has no side characters aside from the little sister, who (as you can imagine) doesn't fill in any background roles during school time.
A school setting feels empty without a homeroom teacher, a classmate, or a male of the same age as the protagonist.
>>125817185
I wonder what it would look like if the Sakura Beach artist did linework, and the Sakura Fantasy artist did the coloring. That might look kind of cute...
>>125853180
It's one thing to feel loved, but moe is unacceptable.
You're one step away from submitting to the first 3DPD who attempts to be moe.
>>125853775
What's up with the backgrounds that artist always does? They look...weird.
>>125853978
I'd accept anybody with a pulse at this point. Moe or no. But that's not possible, so moe is good for now.
>>125854092
It's worse than I thought.
>>125854225
Were you really expecting a well off, normal, socially adjusted individual to be into moe?
>>125853985
They are amateur
>>125854284
I expected someone who was into moe to be principled.
Social adjustment is overrated as long as you either stay out of the public eye or have a job.
On the LP train, anyone else interested in this?
http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31420I'm thinking of giving it a read for admittedly shallow reasons, but if anyone wants to see what this is like aside from the cribbed Adventure time style, I'll talk about it.
>>125855180
I'd imagine that if I was into man love, I would like this, since I like Sunrider level quality stuff and thus have shit taste...
Not sure if what you like is shit or not, but if it's above shit level I'd probably still like it.
>>125855180
It's always worth talking about a random evn you're playing through here even if no one is aprticularly interested. The thread needs the bumping, and SOMEONE might wander by and be interested
>>125855484
Agreed (being the idiot directly above you), worse come to worst, you wasted your time and you probably came here to waste some time anyway.
>>125855459
Only one of the LIs is a guy(unless there's a secret route I don't know about) and is why I'm even somewhat interested.pic very much related
>>125855484
Fair enough. I'll start a little later. Want to do some cleaning before New Year's and if I don't start something now, it'll just be more painful.
>>125822367
>Are you all women?
All, no. But last poll indicated a lot of us are, and explained why we can get so catty at times: periods sync.
Guess BCM anon is posting tomorrow night then. Too bad I can't sleep. Somebody post about another game their playing or something.
>>125857854
* they're
I kind of want to buy BCM but I don't have that much money... I've also been wanting to read Kara no Shoujo 2 for a while, and I'm kind of interested in Europhia, so idk if I should spend that much money on an evn right now. Do you think I should buy it? Is it worth it?
Quantum suicide failed. Kikestarters getting BTFO
>>125858296
I bought it and i didnt play more than 20 minutes. I'm happy to support the devs, though. I'm not sure if its dark enough for your taste
>>125858373
Kikestarter would be Hustle cat asking 25k when they're gonna release it in 3 months.
>>125858373
You don't get your money back if the kickstarter fails?
>>125858373
Bubble bursting, eh?
>>125857845
A lot of us are women?
That's kind of amazing to me.
>>125859958
You never know who might be one.
It might be >>125859410
It might be >>125858373
It might be me.
It might beyou
>>125860050
That's a little too spooky for me.
>>125859467
Projects with no backing like that fail all the time. The only promotional support they had was from those idiots at Mikandi. The more important thing for EVNs seems to be having the support of a loud publisher or some indie-scene darling.
>>125860215
That's why infallibly most projects marry to Sekai at some point, right?
>>125860338
Honestly, those Date Nighto guys seem to have better media connections. Just look at how much that We Know The Devil thing got around the gaming media. None of Sekai's projects have gotten that kind of coverage.
>>125859958
It's not that surprising when you realize most of the VN public in the west is female.
>>125860574
Huh, so that's why all of us argue a lot but generally get along?
>>125860456
I don't pay attention to gaming media. It seems like most of it is biased...
>>125860632
While trashtalking people who aren't here, yes.
>>125860947
WEll, I mean, that's about as good if not better than the rest of the internet.
I want to have a sleepover with /evn/!
>>125861698
It could end up really cute, really bitchy or have very little sleeping going on.
Simultaneously all three is also a possibility.
>>125861698
I'd have to leave at like twelve at night to go to work.
So it'd really be like a 'YAY YOU'RE GOING TO WORK party'.
>>125860723
Well yes. Unless you're an AAA developer they only talk about their friends, so if you want real coverage you need to start jacking off the people in the right circles.
>>125862497
I'm not hot enough to jack people off...
>>125863926
Guess your project's doomed then unless you get lucky
>>125864602
I'm not even a VN writer, I'm just a regular writer.
I'll never be rich but I might get an advance from a publisher.
>>125860947
but how do you know who is here and who isn't?
spooky music plays
>>125863926
it's ok lil buddy, I've got you
1. put on neon coloured wig and glasses, some make up too (but not the regular kind, the ~artistic~ tumblr kind)
2. demand everyone calls you a woman
3. now if anyone rejects you, accuse them of transphobia and sick SJWs on them
4. actually you don't even have to jack anyone off, just bombard game reviewing sites with your letters, if they ignore you, go to 3
>>125864905
But I'm a bisexual white man and proud of not being a whiny bastard...
Off to my job. Have a good day.
>>125864969
Nothing wrong with using trends to your advantage.
Pay more attention
I hate it when you find a bug in your script and it takes hours to fix, then you suddenly realize the whole problem was b/c of one wonky line of code, and if you deleted it the whole thing would have sorted itself.
Coding is so annoying...
Shitposter reporting for duty. What's up?
>>125875237
>tfw finally can shitpost from my bed like a civilized human being
I don't have any drawing experience except for scribbling weeb shit in my notebooks during class. How far from being able to draw well enough for VNs am I?
How should I even proceed? I don't have a drawing tablet.
>>125879534
>How should I even proceed? I don't have a drawing tablet.
the answer lies within the question
>>125880002
You can draw just fine with a mouse.
>>125879534
Read Loomis
Everything else depends on how much you're willing to devote yourself to improving.
If you intend to half-ass it, don't bother.
Well guys, since BCM anon isn't here and won't be until tonight, I'll be posting a playthrough of... whatever this is. Let's go!
Right off the bat, it asked if I want to skip the prologue and go to route selection. I said no. It says the choices in this game don't matter except the route selection, so...
This handsome man with white hair shows up, and tells us that, knowing us, we haven't been getting enough sleep. However, he's going to tell us a story, and tells us it ends happily for once. Hooray!
It says Ciel was basically a great girl who always wanted to adventure, but she was never even allowed to leave the castle.
Sudden cut to this place. Apparently, Ciel had made a travel plan and everything, but the king yelled at her.
This cute dude agrees, and makes some comments about how it IS a bit ridiculous that the King won't let her leave. He says that even if it's for her safety, he think its too much. Ciel's mom apparently died a long time ago, and Florien is introduced as our knight.
>800x600
>3:4
Wow, it's been a while.
Ciel has a great secret plan to get away. Florien asks, worried it's regicide. Ciel says "NO", and then says she'll whisper it to him. Apparently Florien always gets uncomfortable when she gets close, and then this. Hah waw.
Apparently, the secret plan involves a tunnel that leads out of the castle. Florien seems surprised, and Ciel asks if he wants to come, because the trip will most likely be unpleasant. He reassures her and says he will go anywhere she wishes, and then leaves to get ready.
We're introduced to this gent.
Also, if I'm being too slow and you guys want me to get father along and leave less specific notes, let me know.
>russian artist sending me wonderful bgs for cheap
>lives in shitty neighborhood and got his jaw broken
pls dont get killed by bydlos russbro
>>125883774
Farther*.
Anton is described as very serious, but also kind. People are intimidated by him, and we get a small cut where two people walking by are whispering to each other about him. They something along the lines of how his hair used to be the same color as Florien's, but the blood of his enemies dyed it red, etc etc. Anton doesn't seem to care, and says he'd rather people spread rumors like that than he be lenient.
He seems a little upset that Florien left Ciel alone, but makes a comment such as "If you need anything, call on the Royal Guard. I'd prefer if you just called on me directly, however...", and Ciel gets all blushy-blushy. She lies and says they're just heading into town, and will stay away from borders.
And now Florien is back.
>>125884142
Oh, I played this a while ago. The art is pretty cute, I don't remember much of the story though. There were lots and lots of silly puns, and not much romance for an otome VN. I don't think the MC even kissed the guy I chose, baw.
Anton leaves immediately. Ciel asks Florien if he's really okay with leaving, since he won't see Anton for awhile. Apparently the two aren't close, and don't have much in common (more so due to busy schedules than not wanting). Ciel jokes about how they have 3 traits in common, which is pretty hair, same eye color, and they're both stubborn.
After some jokes and shenanigans, the two leave the castle. They make plans on how to proceed with caution, and Florien brings up the idea of them travelling overseas, where people for sure wouldn't recognize her. Ciel agrees, and says he's unususually agreeable today.
>>125883998
Russians are an emerging market, poised to compete with third-worlders.
In some crazy twist of fate, the castle already knows something is up. Anton comes galloping in, and reveals he also knew about the passage. He begins to say something about why the King is actually worried (because the King does not know that she ran away), but stops speaking.
In the end, he won't budge about it, so he says he'll try and figure out a way to allow Ciel to leave. It's suggested that he could come with them to help convince the king, and Anton agrees.
>>125884570
How long is it? I like the art too.
>>125864969
Market yourself as being not like those OTHER whiny bastard EVN devs.
Should I play Sunrider Academy to avoid ripping it off with my own student council sim?
>>125884924
I think it took me about 2 hours to read it? I'm not sure. I read through it very fast so I think I missed out some details when I read it, too. I have a habit of clicking through VNs without properly digesting what I've read.
>>125885287
Mate there's dozens of school sims. You're probably going to "rip off" one anyway. Don't bother.
>>125885430
Roger wilco.
Last update for now! I'll be back later.
After Anton leaves, Florien and Ciel seem a bit unsure on what to do. Florien says Anton might have lied, and the two could actually be walking into a trap if they do what he says (meet up at a specified area).
Ciel decides Anton wouldn't lie, and while Florien isn't so sure, they make their way there. There's a cute scene where Florien, admiring how happy Ciel looks, smiles-- and then Ciel comments on how happy Florien looks.
The scene ends, when Ciel recounts how cool Florien was by saying, "If you want her to be safe, I want her to be happy!", and Florien gets embarrassed.
Thanks for reading along guys!
>>125879534
Practice, read Loomis, practice some more. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and especially don't be afraid to create something that looks like shit.
Learning how to do gestures will help you a LOT with bringing motion to your art and understanding how bodies break down into shapes. There's a ton of online resources for that.
You're not going to be great fast, but you'll steadily improve.
Wow forgot the picture on the last update.
>>125860338
>>125860215
Projects with a publisher fail exactly the same.
Quantum Suicide raised $15K but it wasn't enough.
Sekai projects have raised $15K but it wasn't enough.
Stop spreading the misinformation that you need Sekai to succeed. You can fail exactly the same with them and succeed even better without them.
>>125860215
>those idiots at Mikandi
50,000 in a week for some lackluster nukige is pretty alright.
>>125886172
That's just from appealing to the weeaboos on fuwanovel etc. Their genuine reason for supporting it is because it's a Japanese game and it "might encourage other devs to localise games in the future."But it will just encourage more shitty nukige
>>125886172
>having opinions on a game that you've never played
FUCK
>>125892036
What, now? But I just did last night!
>>125880802
I'd recommend pencil and paper instead. Using a mouse can give you RSI if you draw with it for loads of hours a day.
>>125894784
The same thing can happen with a pencil.
>>125896034
you will never develop right "muscle habits" (e.g. drawing with your elbow) and line control if you're drawing with the mouse. Literally no one who intends to git gud (or at least move on from helpless scribbles) should draw with the mouse.
>>125897932
All I'm hearing is "I can't do it so no one should."
What're yall plans for today?
>>125899919
Christmas shopping!
>>125899919
Video games!
>>125898407
by all means, go ahead, you'll impress everyone in a month, I'm sure
>>125902810
I'm not the original guy.
>>125885979
>Sekai projects have raised $15K but it wasn't enough.
Misinformation? The only failure to their name so far was that Witchboy VN and they earned almost twice that. Unless you're confusing random RTs and shoutouts from Sekai for actual support.
>>125879534
>How far from being able to draw well enough for VNs am I?
5-7 years
Anyone have a complete list of Winter wolves upcoming games? How many does he have? 20?
>>125907965
Iirc
Queen of thieves
That space game
Heir & graces
Loren 2
CD14 or something
>>125908313
Undead Lily
Some season of the wolf DLC?
Nicole Yuri version
c14 yuri version
>>125907965
winter wolves games are odd because I've played a few of them, and I know he uses different artists/musicians/writers for all of them, but I found every single ww game I played so far (heileen, flower shop, roommates, and always remember me) to be really lackluster... maybe it's just because i'm not into sim games, and most of his games are sim games - or at least, have heavy gameplay - but they don't do anything for me at all.
well, heileen is kind of fun because of the setting, and i like all the art of cute girls in lingerie, but the writing is pretty dire, and the plot makes no sense at all.
>>125910010
I liked Roommates: at least it isn't Bionic HEarts 2.
>>125912362
The writing in Roommates was fine, I just found the sim aspect really tedious. I guess sim games aren't for me. Then again, I really, really enjoyed Littlewitch Romanesque, but the sim elements of that involved actual 'gameplay' (though it was fairly minimal), so maybe that made a difference.
What is Bionic Heart 2 like? What's so bad about it? I've not read it.
>>125912752
To answer that question, I have to explain what was good about Bionic Hearts one: it was ridiculous and B-movie-ish. It had a charm in being bad.
Bionic Hearts 2 tries to go serious while not actually improving in quality.
It's like how SUnrider reduces the number of characters to interact with when they go to Academy, but they don't add anything notable to the game but sex scenes and a terrible management sim
Fucking boring.
I don't like sims, either.
>>125910010
Loren and roommates are pretty good, as is the first bionic heart, and that one game about the office but only the one yuri route is good. Nicole is just okay.
Always remember me is pretty bad and the flower shop has okay writing but bad characters.
>>125912752
I played it and yeah.Someone made a great point that it could have been an okay game if it wasnt a sequel - but it threw everything interesting about bionic heart (romance and a main character you could care about) out the door and the social battle mechanic really wasnt done too well. Great example of a half baked game.
>>125879534
That depends on the quality of the VN you're comparing your art to. If you got a tablet, drew your lines with far more confidence, and practiced gesture drawing to eliminate a lot of that siffness, you'd be right up there with a lot of EVN artists. If you worked on it every day, something like that would probably only take you a couple months to half a year.
Some people completely devote themselves to their art and become based within a year or two, so it all boils down to how much time and effort you're willing to expend.
>>125915323
How much you're able to, too.
I mean, good artists are hard to come by.
>>125912752
>>125913128
>>125913603
What I want to know is what is the reason for the low reviews (scores on VNDB) I am currently producing a VN and when I look at the Bionic Heart screenshots I see:
1) A lot of characters with sprites. I am not sure how many poses they have, but that's a lot of assets.
2) A lot of BGs. True, they aren't beautiful or anything, but there's a good amount of them and they are sort of 90's quality.
3) A lot of voiced characters.
So, is it the writing? What is the reason behind those scores?
Somebody better post progress...or else.
>>125912752
I like that the Leetstreet Boys did the theme song for Roommates tho, since they also produced this masterpiece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7jpINpqbQ
Which, I'm sure we can all unironically agree, is one of the best things in the world.
>>125880802
Post proof
>>125915504
Bionic Hearts 2 takes out the voicing, if you're wondering.
But both are relatively low quality for the amount of work that went into them.
I liked bionic heart. B-movie is pretty good term for it but it had 27 endings and they were all pretty fun to get. I think I only got 18 of them though.
Why do you say low quality? It's an old game but it isn't too horribly written.
>>125917571
Well, I think that your defense of it is "it isn't too horribly written" implies that there are quality issues with the writing. If the writing is not praiseworthy, then well, that is something against it I think.
>>125915782
>>125917857
>>125917571
What exactly is wrong with the writing? Jesus, what a vague thing to say. Is it the grammar? The prose? Lots of spelling mistakes? Plot holes? What is it?
>>125918257
(Not him) I don't think it's anything mechanically wrong with the writing. (I can't remember one time when, in all of my autistic rage I screamed at a spelling mistake, which I do a lot)
I just don't think it tells a very good story.
>>125917857
Why don't you just watch some lets play of it? It's really hard to evaluate writing in vn dude.
Ho hum hum.
>>125919593
People do let's plays of VNs?
>>125918257
Here, I'll take some lines and comment. Lines are from this trailer. http://store.steampowered.com/app/314200/
"I still remember some of the stories my father used to tell me about global warming, and the warnings sent out by some groups of scientists in the twenty-first century. But those who ruled the world were too busy fighting each other and too greedy to listen, so they ignored the menace."
Both the ideas and diction are extremely simple and every description is vague and imprecise. The writer uses phrases like "some of the stories" and "some groups of scientists" and "those who ruled the world", but none of these are actually given any depth or meaning. Everything is so abstract and impersonal.
To write that better, I would begin by telling one of the stories that his father told him, then shift to the idea that there were many such stories, and then provide maybe a bit of background about one of the wars or conflicts "those who ruled the world" were focusing on instead-- some examples of events in this world. This would add depth.
Then there is the exchange between Tanya and Luke. The dialog is painfully awkward and the lack of narration outside of dialog prevents any buildup of depth. The reader is required to assume some things that make little sense. Most of Tanya's dialog is also stock for "android"/"robot girl" characters that I have seen before.
So those are some specific gripes. That the writing lacks specificity and depth, and that the characters do not feel compelling or real.
>>125923828
Tanya, thankfully, wins points in the 'absurd sex figure department'.
And Luke sounds kinda hardboiled despite being a bitch.
Also, if society is so fucking authoritarian, why the fuck can Luke own a gun?
Brits don't fucking do that NOW and they supposedly have a democracy.
>>125924087
I actually really liked the voice acting and sort of felt like he deserved more badass lines. I would definitely cast that guy as like some bad-ass rogue operative.
>>125924235
I thought Tanya's VA needed more coaching.
>>125924235
The voice acting is definitely better than the Sunrider Mask of Arcadius beta's voice actors.
>>125924087
>And Luke sounds kinda hardboiled despite being a bitch.
Yeah that was quite a wtf moment when I saw luke's sprite in BH2. He's off camera in the first one so i imagined this linebacker dude with a strong jaw, but nope he's a pretty boy bitch.
>>125923452
Yes, with voice overs, and that shit is terrible.
>>125925818
I've seen a few who just upload the game on auto and leave. For a KN basically you can see the whole thing and not spend a dime.
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/878614571/tokyo-warfare
Is this the Little dictator dev?
>>125923452
>JP does an LP of AJTilley's latest abortion
>he starts talking instead of playing in silence
>sounds like an autist
>speaks as if his mouth is filled with spit
Don't do this
>>125926729
That looks like fun, so it can't be him.
>>125926793
I was surprised at his voice too. I was not expecting that.
>>125927198
I was expecting autist, but I didn't expect it to be quite that bad.
Has anyone had a gui done by desertfox?
>>125928774
ML anon did. It was shit.
>>125745312
HELLO AGAIN FRIENDS!
So, continuing from where we left off, Shuuki manages to get pretty much all of his homework done with Masa's help! An excellent development.
They have dinner after, wash dishes since they're the last to arrive, and reminisce a bit about the past. It's been four years since Shuuki last washed dishes. Damn.
We have a dream sequence where a tiny Shuuki asks his mom about their names and she tells them they were named after the seasons and also a story about the seasons fighting or some shit.
Tiny Shuuki doesn't like being named after the fall because everything's all dead and brown.
His mom's response:
"Oh, Shuuki. When one thing dies, something else is born. We wouldn't be able to have autumn without summer ending, right? If you think of it that way, each death is really just a new beginning..."
And then Shuuki wakes up! We see this particular image after every watery nightmare of his.
>>125929413
It's September 6! School has resumed. Masaharu's in a rush to get out the door (complete with toast) because he needs...................... pencil lead.
Very SPECIFIC pencil lead, mind you. He doesn't want any of Shuuki's. Shuuki comments that Masa's weirdly picky about some things, and then notices that his brother left his backpack behind. Great job, Masaharu.
Shuuki thinks he's going to be able to chase Masaharu down. Of course, he can't find Masa so he heads to his brother's favorite convenience store.
We come to the bridge where Fuyuka died. He's almost crossed it--
>>125930080
Now we're getting some excitement!
How Masaharu got dead so fast and so brutally I look forward to seeing, because damn I would think amputating a limb and breaking some fingers would take longer than what I'm guessing is 45 minutes at the most.
Someone grabs Shuuki and pulls him back, covering his eyes despite it being too damn late.
>>125930449
rip in pieces
Nobody who complains about pencil lead deserves to live anyway tbqh
>>125930449
It's Sept 11. Masaharu has had his funeral and Natsume was calm through the whole thing while Shuuki is all kinds of upset and fucked up.
His parents take time off to come to the funeral-- which is an odd way of putting it, to me. Don't you want to take time off to MOURN? Who cares about the damn funeral your child is dead. Is your only priority keeping up appearances?
In this cap: Great parenting, part 2. Of course it's best boy getting screamed at.
Poor, poor Natsume.
BCM anon here, making the new thread real quick.
>>125930980
>bumps thread
>makes new threads without being prompted
The savior of /evn/!
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>>125931153
I just didn't want to have to worry about reposting or waiting around when this one goes down.
