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Visual Novel General #917

READ THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS IMPORTANT

>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:

1. If you downloaded your VN from Fuwanovel/Mofu, you're on your own.
2. Be in Japanese locale
3. Read the Readme
4. Read the wiki below
5. Google it

>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:
http://visual-novels-general.wikia.com/wiki/

>Need a novel with a specific element?
http://vndb.org/g

>What's wrong with Fuwanovel/Mofu?
http://pastebin.com/s6Me2D9i

>Download Links:
http://pastebin.com/U7HUj0fk

Previous threads:
>>123699434
http://pastebin.com/zeiYgLrs

This general is for the sole discussion of English translated Japanese visual novels and any kind of untranslated discussion is looked down upon. If you want to talk about untranslated games, please seek the specific thread on /jp/.

Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.

Thank you.
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We can all agree that euphoria is kamige, but is it the best kamige?
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You useless faggot
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3rd for best cats
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS OUT BOYS


https://basicvntls.wordpress.com/
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>>123823894
okay cat and second worst cat respectively.
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>>123823653
>literally stealing an image from Fuwanovel
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How can one character be so perfect in the first half of a game then become so shit in the second half.
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>>123824140
but it's tilted and it says /vn/ on it so it's okay
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>>123823894
>>123823965
You fags better step aside for the best neko.
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>>123825670
how can she be topcat if she isn't a cat at all?
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>>123825670
But you can't even fuck her!
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>>123825775
Maybe that'll be the twist.
>>123825935
Of course not, she's not a cock hungry kitty like Cinnamon.
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>>123825775
she trained all the catgirls, she's a catgirl master.
I wonder if she Sayori will write a porn scene with Shigure, isn't she supposed to be her self insert?
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>>123823894
>>123826517


Which catgirls can I fuck in the next volume? Or will it be all of them?
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WA2 translation confirmed to be shit

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2/Script/2301#_=_
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>>123825670
not a catgirl/10
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>>123826724
Either Coco/Cinnamon or Maple/Azuki, probably. There's a chance it could be all of them. Sayori was tweeting about how she wanted to lick Chocola's belly.
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>>123826728
>kusoge gets kuso translation

Like pottery
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>>123826728
「いや、最近は後腐れのないコばっかり選んでたから、<br>付き合ってたコの8割がここでお別れなんだよ。
"Well, recently I've only been with girls that would bring me trouble in the future, so I cut my ties with 8 of them here... \k

lel
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First Nekopara was meh for me even if moe SoL are my favourtie anime. Is second game any better?
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>>123827062
That's fucking awful
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>>123826982
I want to lick her ear and watch her squirm in response.
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>>123827314
You mean the thing that was released recently? It's just a little hour long scenario with the catgirls. The second part isn't out yet.
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>>123826982
They have a small preview of Azuki's scene on their Twitter, so she's in.
Hopefully all the girls have a h-scene, but if they give one more girl a scene I'd hope it's Cinnamon, but it'll most likely be Maple, which is fine too.
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>>123827062
Just to check, it's actually something like "Well, recently I only wanted to choose ones (girls?) that wouldn't cause me nothing but trouble in the future, so I broke up with 80% of them here", right?
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>>123827793
Close, it's actually

> No, because I choose just co no further trouble in the future recently , 80% of children had been dating <br> the 'm farewell here .
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>>123827062
>judging translations based on individual lines taken out of context
Fuck off
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>>123827062
Recently, I've been choosing girls that wouldn't give me trouble when we ended things, so I would break up with 80% of them by this point.

http://www.weblio.jp/content/後腐れがない
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>>123828693
That's how they did it in every single class I've ever taken on any language from elementary school through university.
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>>123828693
When a translation is wrong its wrong. He says 80%, no way around it.
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>>123828826
Because you were trying to learn the language, and not critique a piece of literature.
>>123828882
Like I said, that depends entirely on context. Maybe there was a reason that it flowed better with it changed.
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>>123828989
Luckily, the people judging the translation have all the context around it is shown in the link also. Besides, the individual line is so incorrect that no amount of "context" can fix it.
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>>123828989
No it doesn't. It's just wrong. See above, too. Not sure why you keep repeating context, no context could make that translation acceptable. Why post if you don't even know Japanese.
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What's up, Nemu? You seem mad, try eating a Snickers!
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>>123828989
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2/Script/2301#_=_

Please see for yourself then.
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>>123828989
i know you're trolling, but 割 is percentage, and 後腐れがない doesn't mean "no trouble in the future"

it's just plain and objectively wrong
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>>123829248
Just because it doesn't say the same thing as the original doesn't make it wrong. Translators sometimes need to change things for it to flow well in English
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>>123829221
fuck this game, can someone seriously get off to this?
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>>123829248
checkmate
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>>123829317
That makes it a bad translation. A good translation is one that can say the exact same thing as the original while still reading just as well as the original did in the original language

This is why good translation is actually hard.
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>>123829317
I support liberal translations but this is clearly just him being wrong, completely
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>>123829423
Wrong. A good translation is one that evokes the same feeling as the original did to a native speaker. The actual meaning is irrelevant. The best translations are the ones that even someone familiar with the original wouldn't realize immediate have any relation.
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>>123829526
You forgot your trip, Ti9
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>>123829526
I am bilingual and the translation did not give me the same feeling at all due to being wrong. So it is bad by your definition
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>>123829248
>後腐れがない doesn't mean "no trouble in the future"

What does it mean then? Every dictionary I've checked says that it's "future trouble not". Am I missing some tense/possession/alternate reading shit here?
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>>123829781
read the weblio an anon posted. It's slang.
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>>123829889
fuck slang

Is there some slang dictionary or resource anywhere?
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>>123829972
weblio
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>>123829972
actually google or weblio or most japanese/japanese dictionaries are just fine, just use them when in doubt.
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>>123827736
>maple and cinnamon
Fuck i wish it didn't get delayed, but if we get a better product in the end I'm ok with it.
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>fantasizing about fucking cats
You people are disgusting
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>>123831741
They kind of act like cats, which is pretty cute, but otherwise look like humans with cat ears and a tail, which adds even more to the cute. Nothing wrong with fantasizing about them.
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>>123831846
So you would fuck a cat in real life if it had cat ears and a tail?
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>>123831741
>not wanting to fuck cats
kill yourself.
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https://twitter.com/nekopara_pr/media

Nekopara's official account, it's full of cute shit and stuff for the next game.
they look really glad about their success in the west too.
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>>123831741
I don't want to fuck them, i want to cuddle with them.
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>>123832046
I'd fuck a human in real life if she had cat ears and a tail.
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>>123832054
>wanting to corrupt a pure and innocent creature just for your own selfish amusement
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>>123832064
Good. Im glad it did well.
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https://twitter.com/nekopara_pr/status/665545050936381445

lewd!
how do i download that webm?
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>>123832176
1>2>3>4>5
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>>123832193
>not sexualizing anything and everything
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>>123829221
I got stabbed to death in Nemu's route and the game ended. Is that supposed to happen?
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>>123832064
>they look really glad about their success in the west too.
How do you figure?
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worth doimg c if i already saw h??
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>>123832967
Perhaps he's referring to the pictures of western cosplayers they've often posted.
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>>123832967
Ah nevermind I see all the steam tweets
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>>123824192
If by second half you mean Kanae route, you're my nigga
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>>123829385
It's the only scene I found arousing. I like Hamashima's art but the way she draws porn doesn't click with me at all.
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>Read Euphoria
>Expect nothing more but shoddily justified extreme fapbait
>Get incredibly good story

Only with VNs could you make literally eating shit a justifiable plotpoint.
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I was shitting on a girl's mouth and not ten minutes later I'm trying to do a coup d'etat against her
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Alright, this "euphoria is actually good" meme is going too far now.
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>>123835013
>>123835072

shit you guys are actually making me want to read that VN
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>>123836075
I'm kind of of tempted too, but not really that interested in extreme H-scenes. Can they just be CTRL'd over so I can read this nukige for its plot?
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>>123836184
Yeah. There's even options to disable scat and gore cgs.
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>>123831741
I just want to fuck the Sayori self insert
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>Gawain turns into a loli
She really was perfect. I can't believe she doesn't get the dick.
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>>123837843
can you fuck it
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>tfw playing Euphoria
man I did not expect these feels from a scat nukige
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>>123838045
gets you right in the shitter.
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>>123829385
I prefer the h-scenes in Rinne's route as it's just pure sadism without any scat/watersports/etc. The vanilla scene was also amazing as it contrasted so good with the rest of the scenes. I'm only up to were they have gone to the surface so I'm just hoping it stays that way until the end.
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Damn, I have a massive humiliation fetish but I hate scat. At the same time I don't want to be a pussy.

Here I go I guess ;_;
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>>123838578
Turn off the scat in the settings.
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So I just bought Clannad on Steam, never saw the anime, what should I expect?
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>>123838578
It's not really that much. Most of the scenes are not scat related.
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>>123823653
Put /vn/ in the subject you fucking shit.
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>>123839235
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>>123839715
wow fuck you
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>>123839405
>OP is literally from fuwa
>thread was made way before bump limit was even reached
>everyone still migrated anyway
>expecting these faggots to get shit right
/vn/ is full of so much failure.
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>>123839746
That's what you get normie
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>>123839908
give in to the autism
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Looking at the nekopara Twitter it seems they are doing 3D models of all the characters. I wonder if they are planning on doing some occulus rift release or something similar with all those fluffy catgirls running around you in 3D space.
all of my money
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Fucking Merlin man. Why is he a stupid puffball?
Also how the hell is Arthur's crown floating like that?
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>>123840454
marlin kawaii.
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>>123840454
this would be so much better if the two titmonsters in the back were deleted
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>>123840454
Magic, also Kublai's pretty hot.
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>>123840454
What piece of art is this?
I need to get rid of the shitty taste in my mouth.
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>>123841060
Kublai isn't even in that shot.
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>>123841857
She is in this one, which I forgot to post.
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>>123832435
Is there any legitimate discussion/explanations/predictions for how Saya looks? I thought she'd be a slug of sorts. Sort of like your generic slime enemy in JRPG, but more fleshy and thick.
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>>123842378
You're not supposed to know what she looks like. It's part of the horror, that the creatures are unfathomable.
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>Listen to Nemu's voice actress's note in the bonus section
>Her normal voice

Holy shit, I don't think I could get harder if I tried.
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>>123841979
If we're just listing random qts, Gawain is waifu. Aside from the moonlighting as a loli thing, those armpits.
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>>123839620
Where is that from?
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>>123843132

Hoshizora no Memoria
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>>123842517
No, that is not how it works or the intentions.

You can easily tell how she looks by looking at the humans through the MC's eyes. Fleshy, bloody and disgusting. That's what she'd look like. It's quite clear that this is the case without having to directly have art for her.
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God, everythign related to Michaelangelo has been hilarious. She shouldn't even be in this at all, except the patch added the scenes so she's in. As a result, any time the game tries to pull up her assets, it gets confused. Her sprite is just an outline, and this cg is nonexistent so it just called up the last used cg.
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>>123829526
You couldn't be more retarded if you tried.
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>>123844909
Nice argument fag
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>>123843765
Why did they even bother if they were going to halfass it so hard?
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Oh, Euphoria is great, guys
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>>123848849
You've got to be shitting me.
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>seeding Eiyuu Senki torrent
>see this
Heh, I used to go there.
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>>123848086
>50 minutes to come up with "nice argument fag"
Thanks for proving my point.
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I will never learn Japanese
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Just finished Euphoria, it wasn't what I really expected. I liked it overall, I hope MG does more clockup stuff.
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>search for VNs with immortal heroines
>ef and Planetarian show up
wat
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>>123850196
Not with that attitude.
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KoiChoco is going to release sometime THIS week. Mark my words, if I'm wrong I'll
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Do people actually like the True Route part of Euphoria? Worst part of the game desu senpai.
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>>123850475
Worth the read? I'm not into most the stuff in there but again I though-roughly enjoyed Starless despite of this.
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>>123851349
Yeah definitely worth it in my opinion. It was like a roller coaster.
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>>123851305
Should I do the true route before or after the others?

I'm no Nemu's right now just because I liked her the best off the bat, but I'd hate to get the whole 'story' and have it make me feel like not even reading the others because I know what's going on.
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>>123851292
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>>123851292
https://twitter.com/basicvntls/status/671210379943481344
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>>123851523
It doesn't really matter but the true route obviously explains the majority of the plot details that are left out in the other routes. You could do it anyway you like, but personally I'd say do the true route last.
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>>123851523
I did all the routes before true route, best way imo, because you get to see the reactions of the other characters and maintain a sense of mystery throughout the game. To give you an idea of how I rank the importance of other routes I'd say:

Rinne > Rika > Sensei

But if you like a character more you can do the other routes however you prefer.
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>>123851686
I guess this means it's finally time to get the game.
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>>123851886
Half way through the download
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>Yuuki, who wants to fall in love, and Chisato, who doesn't like chocolates. They are lifelong friends and students of the same school. They both belong to the food club with Mifuyu, their classmate. Actually, they don't do anything everyday, just enjoying chatting... But one day, Satsuki, president candidate of the student council, promises to close the clubs that do nothing. To stop it, they decide to run against her... But who will they send out..? Yes, Yuuki is forced to run for the election... To save the club, he will just need to be the next president!

Are you fucking shitting me, another gakuen seitokai bullshit story?
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>>123823653
>Still no /vn/ in subject name.
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>>123852029
How dare you insult KoiChoco...!
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>>123852029
I'm not sure what you expected...
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>>123840454
Merlin's CV is the voice of Sakura from Taimanin.
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Why do you guys keep acting like such HENTAIs all the time?
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Any VNs where I can play as a drug dealer?
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Ohaaa, /vn/
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Who /eroge connoisseur/ here?
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>>123853795
>reddit filename
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>>123853695
what did you use to insert the text? I want to translate random scenes and take screenshots of them.
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>>123853695
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
Why are you posting a VN no one wants to read?
Why are you memeing a meme only you can meme?

God, the art is horrendous.
>that anime tier shading
>that chicken gown to hide the lack of detail
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>>123853695
Fuck off retard.
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Now that KoiChoco release is in reach I don't even want it anymore. It seems so awfully mediocre.
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>>123853795
That man's virginity level is through the roof.
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>>123853695
>>123854030
i´d like to know this too
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>>123854408
That's actually Clephas' shelf.
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>>123854471
Literally who?
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>>123854467
>>123854030
>>123853695
Me three, I really want to learn how to do this for some next-level shitposting in here. The last few threads have been a bit too boring.
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>narrow waste
>waste
lol
nice translation fags
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>>123854536
Renowned EOP who uses machine translations and writes millions of blogs about how he fully comprehends VNs like Dies irae and Muramasa with said machine TL. Has a superiority complex and berates others for their lack of Japanese knowledge. Laughing stock of VNDB/Fuwa/jp/vn/you name it.
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>>123854726
Is that from S?
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>>123854824
Yeah.
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>>123854886
>>123854726
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>>123854886
Savant level translation.
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>>123854929
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>>123854929
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
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>>123854030
>>123854467
>>123854647
Just the same stuff I used when translating subahibi.
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>>123855382
>translating subahibi
lol
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>>123854929
I didn't even know Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy was popular in Japan
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>>123855767
>implying
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>tfw you figured out the twist long before the protagonist did, and now have to watch him stumble around like a dumbass until he figures it out
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>>123854791
>laughing stock of fuwa

Isn't he treated like a god there though?
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>>123856051
What is it?
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>>123856458
鳥無き里の蝙蝠
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>>123856520
Playing G-Senjou, only a couple chapters in but it's already super obvious that the protagonist is Maou
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>>123856614
lol, keep reading bud
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>>123856614
Oh boy. You just made me remember why I didn't like G-Senjou very much. Fuck the final 'twist.'
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>>123856614
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>>123856614
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>>123856525
Well memed.
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>>123856781
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>>123851523
>>123851803
how do I do the true route ?
I just went nemu all the way and ended up getting stabbed
then I did nemu and rinne, got that retarded
happy ending with kanae
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>>123856614
It's actually Kyousuke's "dead" brother. He confronts him in the true route after Haru tries to get Kyousuke to rape her - childhood friends are like that.
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>>123857167
Why would you spoil it for him though?
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>>123857160
>I just went nemu all the way and ended up getting stabbed

Fuck, is that a bad end or something? I'm trying to do her route now
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>>123857229
Sorry, was that a spoiler? He said he had already worked it out.
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>>123857273
Yeah, he figured out the red herring twist that was super obvious. The real spoiler isn't really hinted at.
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>>123857264
not really a 'bad' end it's just it doesn't explain some stuff, I don't want to spoil it for you just keep playing her route it's the best so far (at least for me)
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>>123857368
Oh, my bad. Okay, nobody read >>123857167.

At least I didn't mention the fact Gonzo dies saving Kyousuke. That'll remain a decent surprise.
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>>123857476
Yeah, we all know you're just being a dick.
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>>123857513
I'm not. It was unintentional.
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What's the recommended route order for Euphoria? I don't wanna ruin it by not doing true route last or so. Which is the true route too?
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>>123857795
Usually people say Nemu>True>The rest but I personally liked Rinne>Nemu>True>Whatever's left.

Rinne's route is definitely the most important out of the 3 'side' girls
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>>123857795
>>123857841
and how do you do the true route?
who do you pick?
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>>123857910
Sensei
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>>123857910
You unlock it by beating Nemu's route.
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>>123857996
already done that
>>123857962
so I just need to pick sensei over and over again right?
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>>123858054
Yeah.
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>>123858054
No, you keep picking Kanae who has been unlocked now, obviously.
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>>123858070
thanks
here's some smug
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>orgasm via kissing
>tongue dick
Really, Euphoria?
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>>123858483
It's not supposed to be fine literature.
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It's out!
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>>123859273
H A P P E N I N G
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P
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You guys ever try putting a scoop of vanilla ice cream on fried chicken? It's hella good
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>>123859903
Spot the American.
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>>123859903
Kicked out of /ck/ for being a retard, huh?
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>>123859931
Spotted
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>>123856525
蝮 我が朋よ
自殺しろよ
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202nd for Saber.
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203rd for filicide.
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204th for heart shaped pupils is best Arthur.
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I see this place is still awful without Ti9.
I'll check again in another month, see you all then.
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>>123861972
>>123862769
>every fucking thread
You should shove a cactus into your urethra and jump off a skyscraper.
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>>123863182
Rude
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http://hatsumira.com/index.php
http://x-rated.hatsumira.com/

so they made two versions of the same vn?
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Kikokugai was depressing as fuck. That entire last chapter... all muh feels.
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>>123864262
all ages and 18+.
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>>123839235
Mmmm. Smegma salad. My favorite.
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Are there any 18+ VNs with no sexual content of any kind?
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>>123864468
Fate/Stay Night.
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>>123864468
>18+ VNs with no sexual content of any kind
Why would you want this?
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>>123839235
What the hell is with the Japanese and smegma/phimosis? Do they really have that much trouble keeping their dicks clean?
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>>123864468
None. Even if it has insane amounts of gore and on-screen censored rape, 15+ is as high as it gets without sexual content.
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>>123865324
>>123864468
If you don't count it, nudity gets you 17+ depending on the platform/location.
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>>123865931
I've seen 15+ games with full nudity before
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Does anyone else think it's weird that turkey is both a place and a bird?

This just blows my mind
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>>123866714
Pro tip: It's not called "Turkey" in other languages.
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>>123866264
Is that you Captain Weebm@ster?
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>>123866714
>>123866814
It's also named after the country/region in English
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Where can I download the Cross Channel OST? Nyaa has no seeders on it
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>There are people in this thread right now who likes Mika

Literally the most unimportant character in the entire game, on top of being a spoiled brat who whined like an infant so that she'd get to stay in the VIP room.

I did her route just so I can see her suffer, and when I had to option to, left her to get squeezed to death. Fuck her.
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>>123867916
I meant Rika, but it's not like the little bitch's name is worth remembering anyways.
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>>123867916
she gets her shit fucked in nemu's route too.

just fuck her shit up.
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>>123867916
>>123868032
Stared euphoria yesterday and for now I only do teacher route. When I finish this route I'll choose Rika.
I want to kill that bitch. Even Nemu don't piss me off so much.
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>>123868160
Do you literally fuck her shit? Like she squeezes out a huge, smelly turd and MC sticks his dick in it?
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>>123867916
I hated her too, but I thought she turned pretty cute at the end of her route.
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>>123868383
The fuck.jpg
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>>123868383
I think that would give you an infection.
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>>123868449
That's what all brats need. A good rough dicking to make them come to their senses.
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>>123868383
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>>123868914
I'm pretty sure eating someone else's diarrhea while they do the same to your's, then vomiting everything back into their ass would give you a nasty infection too.

But the magic of VNs protects our fragile heroines from subcoming to such petty demises.
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I never realized just how many people are repulsed by scat.
I can't understand not being able to see bodily fluids/substances sexually.
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I really love you all! Awwww how embarassing.
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ITS OUT
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>>123869258
but do you love us enough to eat our poop?
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>>123869145
It is kind of disgusting, don't you think? The act of going to the bathroom is by nature a filthy thing people do, and every culture with the possible exception of India has rightfully labeled the act as something that's gross. I guess people who get off it gets off on how taboo it is, but I don't see the appeal myself. But I mean, look at squirting. I'm going to bet you that squirting as a fetish will be a lot less popular if people found out it's actually just women pissing while they orgasm.
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>>123869321
Only if you brutally force me to do it.
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>>123869532
Yo, women have ejaculate too.
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>>123869532
Disgusting makes it shameful/depraved, which is lewd. Goes good with tsunderes.
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>>123867751
~Please respond~
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>>123869145
imo it's hypocrisy that most people find scat disgusting while they find guro bearable. I mean one is just shit, Okay it is dirty but they say it's not dangerous and most of the time only played for humilation.

Guro is really sick shit tho. I heard Maggot Baits is filled with snuff but people discuss how disgusting are futa and scat of it. lol wut

euphoria was disappoiting for me in H department by the way. Starless was much more fappable .
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>>123870561
Because violence is commonly accepted as far more acceptable in practically every culture, and explored far more vividly than the act of defecation ever will be. Unless shit like the Human Centipede become as mainstream as Call of Duty, people will always be more far receptive of guro than they are of scat.
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>>123870561
Not if you're not that into femdom. Starless would be GOAT if you could turn the tables and get revenge on all the bitches who get away with all sorts of fucked up shit.
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>>123870561
>imo it's hypocrisy that most people find scat disgusting while they find guro bearable
My nigga
Some of these probably think that guro is cool and dark too.
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ITT: Literal feces lovers trying to justify themselves
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>>123871010
>ITT: business as usual
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>>123871010
looks like you have some constipation in your brain
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>>123871010
Whats wrong with poop?
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How do I get to Euphoria's true end? I did Nemu's route, which unlocked Kanae's route, but after I woke up and rejected Kanae's help after seeing how Rinne really is, The game lets me either say that I love Kanae, which goes on a permanent loop, and a "this isn't right", which just ends the game with Keisuke falling for it.

Was there something I missed?
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>>123871281
Poop is shit.
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Who the fuck do I choose, can't seem to get the right one
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