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/sthg/ #364 - Car Edition
>Link Compilation<
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>News/Developments<
Sonic Runners Version 2.0 is Live
Some Sonic games are on sale as part of the Steam Autumn Sale
Shadow the Hedgehog is coming to Sonic Dash 2 and a Fantasy Zone event is coming to Sonic Runners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhrtsJBtlHE
Sonic OSTs are now on Spotify
http://www.tssznews.com/2015/11/18/sonic-osts-now-on-spotify/
New Mario & Sonic at Rio 2016 3DS Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZwRYHUxtUA
>Recent Releases<
Sonic Lost World has released on Steam!
3D Sonic the Hedgehog 2 has released for the Nintendo 3DS! You can buy it on the Nintendo 3DS eShop.
Sonic Dash 2: Sonic Boom has released for iOS and Android devices! You can download it for free from iTunes or the Google Play store.
Sonic Boom's first season has ended! You can watch all of the first season's episodes in English here:
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/anime/sonic-boom
Previous Thread: >>123509263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIu-h78edX0
Now in a size that's not for ants
>>123672469
Now I want a pic of all 5 princesses (Sara, Sonia, Elise, Tiara, and Sally) hanging out
>>123673157
Why does Eggman like Metal?
>>123673778
It's one of the few things he's ever built that's come decently close to beating Sonic, and always gives the hedgehog a hard time (Compared to the other things Eggman builds)
I wish the Eggbosses were something that would be integrated into the games.
even if only on a conceptual level.
>>123674373
Agreed. It'd allow for new villains without undermining Eggman. Also, you can have a lovable group of henchmen, and that's always fun
I kind of hope that there's a breather issue after Shattered World resolves that just has the group hanging out and relaxing.
Also stop watching your football pigskin and FAST
>>123674373
Yeah I wish these fuckers would come back
>>123676881
>Also stop watching your football pigskin and FAST
That's tomorrow.
>>123676881
No NFL today. I'm watching CSGO.
>>123672469
Will this guy ever stop drawing adorableness incarnate
>>123677894
No
What if Sonic had a stapler
>>123679064
It would be red
>>123674373
Having a multitude of organic minions doesn't seem like Sega!Eggman's thing.
>tfw back2soul will never finish her animations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihfy0m3qPNI
Do you think Ian will ever be able to feasibly adapt the Riders series? The Rogues offer some interesting dynamics for him, especially with Jet being able to legitimately piss off Sonic.
>>123685385
I think he feasibly could. You just have to make the Rogues interesting in their own right
>>123678856
>panasanic
If the story book games didn't fail so hard, would we have gotten a new pink haired waifu every game?
>>123685691
No
I mean, SA2 didn't fail that hard and we barely get Shadow anymore.
>>123685691
Maybe
>>123677020
Not if you're watching college.Roll Tide
>>123686608
>unironically liking alabama
>>123672590
Blaze is a princess too
>>123686608Fuck Saban.
>>123688591
Make that 6 then
Tip the Cow when
>>123676881
>>123686608
Sonic football when?
>>123689412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luBlqJ3jaqA
Heh.
>>123671737
>Car Edition
Quick. Which Sonic Drift game is better
>>123689831
>ONLY DUMB ASSHOLES GET IN THIS BOX
>>123683101
It hurts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFhVQKcJa8
>>123685691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTmi0mDxZU
>>123690159
2. I actually like Sonic Drift 2. Drift 1 to me barely qualifies as a game.
Although you do have to admit 1's boxart is pretty rad.
>>123688594
Herms should just stick to coloring.
>>123680769
I don't know, having toadies that constantly go on about how great he is that aren't programmed to say it sound right up his alley
>>123691419
I personally like his pencil style, though it's certainly quite "different"
>>123691170
Sonic's special ability in Drift 1 is pretty broken.
>>123690159
I didn't play them.
>>123691419
>>123692757
He'd probably get a more consistent style if he penciled more.
Personally, I want Dubs to do -something- beyond behind the scenes stuff and Off-Panel. Like, a story starring the Hooligans done in his style would probably be amusing.
>>123694576
Gray's art would work for a silly story/backup.
How fast is fast?
>>123673778
>>123673868
I'd imagine he takes personal pleasure from pitting Sonic against a facsimile of himself too.
>>123694741
It worked well enough for RtAI.
>>123696527
Oh good lord what the fuck is that
>>123691419
Herms is hands-down my favorite colorist the book had ever had. I miss his ability to make things really pop without needing to use pastel palettes.
>>123696527
I agree to an extent
>>123696820
>Herms is hands-down my favorite colorist the book had ever had. I miss his ability to make things really pop without needing to use pastel palettes.
He's still around on the book (He's doing Silver Age), but I want him back on the main book though. He's sure as fuck better than Cassata
>>123696820
Sonic being btfo
>>123697860
W-what?
>>123696527
>>123696858
I think he's improved a lot though. RTAI was 11 years ago.
>>123698506
He did a pretty good job with one of the covers during the Knuckles vs Shadow arc.
>>123698506
It was, but my point was that even during his first bit as a professional, his style still worked well and he eventually evolved it into premium classic Disney style.
>>123698506
Oh without a doubt he's improved.
>>123698575
He also did pic related
If Gray penciled an issue, it'd have to be looked over so thoroughly for Mama Robotnik cameos every panel.
>>123692757
>That Majin tattoo
>>123699358
>>123699391
Redraw with Mighty and Tails when?
>>123699630
Never because the best animator we got is fucking Chauvels/
>>123700642
Not even an animation, just that last frame
so what's a defining feature (design, looks, sound, etc.) of sonic cave levels?
>>123700642
Haven't seen her in awhile.
>>123700989
ghosts
>>123700989
Ghosts and darkness
Deadly reminder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOXO7_NlqWE
>>123698790
somebody's gonna edit out that Knuckles face for reaction purposes, right?
>>123671737
>TFW we'll never get Super Mario Kart vs. Sega All Stars Racing
>TFW no Outrun mode for drivers, Classic GP for racers w/single racer or Double Dash mode
Rate my OC
>>123698790
>Knuckles
>joker
>he doesn't chuckle
>>123705993
OC/10
>>123705051
>tfw no mario&sonic crossover that isn't some stupid olympics shit
>>123705993
looks like it's from thing-thing arena/10
>>123697950
Don't what me! Go find me a good Omega reference so I can start practice drawing him!
>>123706345
Another anon would have to help, since I don't have any Omega pics.
>>123706602
Oh, ok. While I wait on that, I am willing to take badnik related requests. I'm mostly on a Doll splurge, though.
>>123706345
Draw DUFUS from AoStH
>>123706694
I need pictures Parker, pictures of Metal Sonic being pretty!
>>123706694
Kamemusi!
>>123706940
Why would a robot need clothes? It would catch fire easily.
>>123707092
Maybe it just wants to be fashionable, and there's nothing wrong with that
>>123707092
Only a fag wouldn't want to feel pretty. Fag.
>>123699391
>>123699630
>Mighty and Tails when?
not Tails and uhh who would fit Buuno one
>>123701032
I mostly skim through the threads and discussions.
>>123700642
Sorry to disappoint you anon, I'm doing my best. Maybe a better animator will come around someday, at least I'm hoping. I'll still keep at though.
>>123709951
Not him, but I do appreciate that you're trying. I wish I could be bothered to do the same.
>>123709951
It's less that you're an awful animator but more that you don't put enough frames into what you do animate and it looks bad (clunky and jittery).
>>123705993
Mine's better
>>123710558
I do have a hard time keeping things smooth and consistent. Sometimes when I add more frames it looks worse. But it is something l'm aware of and still working to improve at.
>>123706751
Thank you, I'll return the favor by Drawing DUFUS. Now do you want him Pre-Free will or Post-Free will?
>>123711912
Adding more frames might make your animations go back in quality a bit, but over time I think the extra practice and getting used to extra frames will pay off more quickly.
>>123712174
I dunno, post free will would fit in with your Robotropolis being a retirement home for Badniks better
>>123711912
You still have to know how to use those extra frames. You can't just evenly space everything out and expect it to move and look natural. I wish I knew how to explain this better since it's a fundamental rule of animating.
>>123710773
Why does this OC-creator thing have those ginormous fucking feet? Those things should be about half their size. I knew Sonic characters have large extremities, but I didn't know they were clowns.
>>123712601
big feet = big speed
>>123712242
>>123712401
Thanks for the advice! I'll try not to be afraid of adding more frames until I'm able to get it right. I know what you mean about spacing, I've been reading about animation for a long time. Putting it to work just takes practice.
>>123713431
Godspeed, at the expense of being accused of being a sycophant I really do love your work. Both drawings and animations, keep on improving.
>>123685767
Shadow killed shadow.
SA2 world games died when 06 shat the bed, Sega got cheep on Sonic games, and quality control retried.
>>123715289
Apparently the quality control on your post "retried" as well.
>>123685691
I wish we'd get more storybook games.
they're fun as fuck
>>123690159
2 by a land slide. More items, characters, and levels. Honestly if it had been developed for the Saturn instead and had a good OST it'd beat the shit out of Sonic R.
>>123715583
>caring about spelling
>on the internet
>at 4chan
>>123716080
>implying where you are means you can regress to the spelling ability of a 3rd grader
If anything this should be a place where you try to have standards.
>>123712332
>>123706946
Done and done.
While I get onto the next request, I'm thinking about drawing up Robotropolis scenery. Remember that archie issue with the artificial island? I might play off on that, or use an uncharted island that the freed badniks take over. I'm also thinking using a slight Scandinavian/Finnish theme for towns/cities.
Do you think sentient robots would see certain malware/abnormalities/glitches as their version ghosts and demons?
>>123712174
>>123716806
neat
>>123715305
How big can that one guys mouth stretch
>>123716806
>Do you think sentient robots would see certain malware/abnormalities/glitches as their version ghosts and demons?
Yes
>I'm also thinking using a slight Scandinavian/Finnish theme for towns/cities.
Could be interesting
So, what is the reason dor peaople to hate Sonic Adventure? orrect me, if I'm wrong, but I believe this game has a lot more content, than any other game and offers more experience for the player. I mean, in which game did we also have vocal music themes for EVERY character? 6 playable characters? Adventure fields? (not just hubs, like in Unleashed)
>>123718858
dear me, I don't know why I missed so many letters...
>>123718858
because casuals can't into fishing
>>123716806
>I'm also thinking using a slight Scandinavian/Finnish theme for towns/cities
Drop the Finland part
there's nothing interesting in here
Why does Shadow's voice sound so hammy in Boom? He sounded better in Sonic Free Riders
>>123719246
Because Boom is hammier than regular Sonic.
>>123716806
>Do you think sentient robots would see certain malware/abnormalities/glitches as their version ghosts and demons?
Isn't that essentially what Phage is (In terms of design mostly) I mean she/it is modeled after a japanese fox demon
>>123719087
This. I hear a lot about Bigs' playthrough being bad. Why? I think it's pretty enthralling.
>SonicTeam hasn't been developing anything since 2013
>It's almost 2016
Any chance we're getting a new game soon?
>>123720032
Slow and not at all what you'd expect from a Sonic game. I don't mind it, but I also don't get easily upset by video games. I can see why most people don't like it though; I don't really have much desire to replay Big's levels.
>>123720278
Gotta go with paws. Makes the most sense while also fitting the style
>>123720301
I want my 25th anniversary game.
>>123720301
Generations devs haven't been seen since Generations.
>>123720456
Sonic adv...
nah, who am I kidding?
Done that Metal Sonic, Anon.
>>123719127
Well, alright. I'm gonna write it up as some place in the north that is incredibly cold, too cold for fleshies to stay in, but perfect to machines. Summers are short but the winters are long.
>>123719707
Phage would be considered a demon, yeah. I hope they do more stuff related with virtual reality/AIs.
>>123720749
Probably making 06 2 while trashing other teams for making games like Black Knight and LW.
>>123721131
Nice, anon.
>>123721131
>Metal/Breezie
I like it
Representin' /sthg/ the last hours of Dreamhack Winter 2015 here in Sweden.
>>123721252
>06 2
Wish it was true. Call my tastes shit. 06 was better than SLW or Boom.
>>123721852
>06 better than Lost World
At least Lost World was fucking functional, had a good artstyle, and wasn't as fucking long as 06
>>123721131
Will sparks fly?
>>123721781
Dreamhack?
>>123721971
World's biggest computer festival.
>>123722128
Ah, cool.
>>123721852
That's not shit taste. That's just you being wrong, fucknugget.
>>123722247
No need to be rude, dorkface.
>>123721953
>had a good artstyle
>SLW
>good artstyle
It's a fucking acid trip, mate. Pick one.
>>123722408
No need to be wrong, grundle sniffer.
>>123722578
But I'm not wrong, dickhead.
>>123721953
>>123721852
I'm gonna be honest, I think Shadow is worse than all 3. It's certainly more tedious, frustrating, and completely fucking terrible. At least I don't have to play LW or Boom 10 fucking times and do pointless collectathon shit. At least 06 was hilarious in how much of a trainwreck it was. Outside of maybe a few cutscenes in Shadow, it was boring from beginning to end. And nothing in any of the 3 other games (With the exception of Silver's billiard Puzzle and End of the World) frustrated me as much as the fucking ARK levels in Shadow or the shitty vehicle controls, or just bored me as much as Shadow did. Not even Boom bored me as much as Shadow did, because at least the environments were colors other than black, red, and dark purple (With 2 exceptions in Shadow, and those levels still look like shit)
My overall ranking of these 4 games are
LW>Boom=>06 (I really can't decide which one's worse, but 06 did far more to damage the franchise)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Shadow
>>123722408
>>had a good artstyle
>>SLW
>>good artstyle
>It's a fucking acid trip, mate. Pick one.
Better than 06's laughable attempts at realism which made everything look stiff, boring, and lifeless. Granted I hate both artstyles, because they're 2 extreme examples of Sonic artstyles, but LW's is less offensive to my eyes.
>>123720278
>>123721131
Not exactly what I was asking for, but I'll damn sure take it. I've loved this metallic hedgehog ever since I saw the OVA as a kid.
>>123722709
But you are. Having your head up your ass doesn't make you right.
>>123722775
The OVA was so cool.
>>123722794
>Having your head up your ass doesn't make you right.
Well, you know better. You're one strange acrobat btw. How do you do that anyway?
>>123722750
Shadow has nice soundtrack.
>>123722794
>>123723032
Instead of namecalling like children, how about you actually state why you think 06 is better/worse than Lost World and Boom
>>123723236
Not that anon, but 06 had a better soundtrack, better CG cutscenes, and isn't as boring as Boom RoL. Calling 06 better than Lost World is pushing it though.
>>123723159
It had more songs I liked than the 3 other games (Boom, LW, 06), but most of them were vocal themes with one exception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BDGp5hOCjk
Even then, the soundtrack doesn't make up for how badly the game fails everywhere else. It's not even entertainingly bad (Except for maybe the first path you do). By the time I got to my 10th and final path, I just wanted it to end, and not even LW or 06 did that, and that's because, even in the latter's case, the 3 playthroughs offered vastly different experiences and kept things sort of fresh. Shadow was just the same bullshit for 10 playthroughs. Yes you had to do missions, but they either amounted to "Get the goal ring", "Kill x amount of enemies" or "Find x number of Y", and except for the first kind of mission, they slowed the game to a crawl. I'd rather do complete 100% playthroughs of 06, RoL, and LW than do a full playthrough of Shadow again
>>123723236
So you could totally agree with me, have a decent conversation and then become friends, right?
>>123722750
Better than 06's laughable attempts at realism which made everything look stiff, boring, and lifeless. Granted I hate both artstyles, because they're 2 extreme examples of Sonic artstyles, but LW's is less offensive to my eyes.
I'm not the guy who were talking to, but as an art-style alone, Lost World's is clearly better. However, as an attempt to recreate the appearance of the Classic games, it fails miserably, and really just looks like a Sonic-themed Mario game. There's no detail on any of the textures, everything is very plastic-y, and the levels look extremely artificial with how they're composed of floating tubes in the sky and Minecraft blocks. At least Sonic 2006's art-style isn't a bastardization of preexisting aesthetics, and the game even had the tagline, "What if Sonic was in the real world?"
>>123724381
SHIT. Here's how my post should look:
>Better than 06's laughable attempts at realism which made everything look stiff, boring, and lifeless. Granted I hate both artstyles, because they're 2 extreme examples of Sonic artstyles, but LW's is less offensive to my eyes.
I'm not the guy who were talking to, but as an art-style alone, Lost World's is clearly better. However, as an attempt to recreate the appearance of the Classic games, it fails miserably, and really just looks like a Sonic-themed Mario game. There's no detail on any of the textures, everything is very plastic-y, and the levels look extremely artificial with how they're composed of floating tubes in the sky and Minecraft blocks. At least Sonic 2006's art-style isn't a bastardization of preexisting aesthetics, and the game even had the tagline, "What if Sonic was in the real world?"
>>123723236
I don't need to. Other anons already have that on lock. I'm just stating it how it is to that idiot.
>>123722750
>Better than 06's laughable attempts at realism which made everything look stiff, boring, and lifeless.
I can agree with that, although this does not make SLW better. And why do people say it was an attempt to recreat the classic artstyle? It's preatty clear they were just trying to ripoff mario galaxy. That's one of those reasons why I find 06 better than SLW. At least 06 was a self-sufficient game. It still had that sonic feeling, despite the boring realism.
>>123724768
>It still had that sonic feeling
No it didn't. It felt like Final Fantasy.
>>123724953
In that case, couldn't it at least have taken after one of the good ones, like 5?
>>123724953
But it did. Less than any previous sonic game, ofcourse. But obviusly more than anythins since 2008.
>Final Fantasy
More or less. It wouldn't have been a bad thing though, if they have added more... I dunno, sci-fi and futuristism.
>>123725082
No it decided to take after 13 or some shit years before 13 even came out.
Just for shits and giggles
http://strawpoll.me/6129535
>>123725240
>But it did
How so? Because you say so? What even is the extremely vague "sonic feeling" you're talking about anyways? Is it the excitement of going fast? Is it the the wonder of adventuring? What are you even talking about? Is this really just bait? Are you just retarded or something? I don't quite understand.
>>123725240
>But obviusly more than anythins since 2008
Unleashed and Gens felt more like Sonic games. Especially the former, even with the Werehog. It felt like an actual adventure, and the atmosphere and tone was just right. It did the "What if Sonic was in the real world" thing better than 06 did, and still felt like it fit in the Sonic universe. Colors also felt like one too, especially more than 06
>>123725240
I have no problems comparing Lost World to Mario and I'd even consider that to have more of a "Sonic feeling" than 06 did.
Now for the opposite end of the spectrum. What is the best Sonic game? Hard mode: none of the following
>Sonic 1-3&K
>CD
>Unleashed
>Colors
>Generations
>>123726435
Adventure.
>>123720278
Human feet in reasonable size, they have human hands so, duh. blob just so lazy and cartoony. Paws are ok but again, human hands. unless someone prove me that they have fangs behind the gloves
>>123726671
Blob feet is canon
>>123726435
Sonic 2
Hard mode: Either Black Knight or Rush
>>123726817
Welp, guess i gonna fuck myself.
>>123726435
Might as well answer my own question and go with Advance 2
>>123725539
> What even is the extremely vague "sonic feeling" you're talking about anyways?
How moronish can you get?
It had the same voice actors it had for years, the music was ok, it had SOME kind of plot and yes, it has that kind of gameplay sonic fans are used to. I can't believe I should actually be telling you this. It's freaking obvious, yet there's this turd bitching about it being FF. Oh god...
>>123725579
It did not by any means. It has it's press x to boost through the level, terrible level design full of invisible walls in modern sonic sections, and I don't even want to speak about the wearwolf section wich is a boring downwatered beat'em up at it's finest.
> still felt like it fit in the Sonic universe.
I see you're new to the series...
>>123726435
Heroes is pretty nice, dunno why no one like this game. It's not perfect but the idea was pretty cool.
>>123727665
Eh, I never enjoyed it as much as the adventure games, but it's by no means a bad game.
>>123727461
>> still felt like it fit in the Sonic universe.
>I see you're new to the series...
It was cartoonish, fun, lighthearted, and Sonic actually acted like himself instead of a boring robot (Like he did in 06) If you're seriously implying 06 was better than anything after it, you're a fuckind idiot.
The atmosphere and tone was certainly more fitting than fucking 06, which felt more like a goddamn soap opera than a fun adventure. I'd rather play Boost than the laughable excuse for gameplay 06 had to offer
>>123727225
>It had the same voice actors it had for years
For better and for worse. Mostly worse. The VA in that game was almost SA1 level even if the VAs were better at that point and had slightly better direction on what they were supposed to be conveying as far as emotion is concerned.
>the music was ok
Meanwhile LW had some really good music. Sonic having good music isn't really something to point out since it is the norm.
>it had SOME kind of plot
Which managed to be worse than P&G shite.
>it has that kind of gameplay sonic fans are used to
Doesn't make that gameplay good or worth keeping. I guess SA1 didn't have the "Sonic feeling" either in this regard since it wasn't the kind of gameplay the fans were used to.
So, as I suspected, this "Sonic feeling" is some vague contrived descriptor that can mean just about anything a person wants it to. Because Sonic is certainly not about being a princess's little bitch boy having to constantly save her and stupid time travel plots and metaphors and references to religious mythology. That is FF territory.
>>123726435
Rush
>>123727810
>For better and for worse.
I'm not asking you if you like it, or not. In the end they were actors that sonic fans are used to. And ever since Sonic changed his voice in Colors, his personality becomes more or less like of a total asshole.
>Meanwhile LW had some really good music.
Whic one?
> I guess SA1 didn't have the "Sonic feeling" either in this regard since it wasn't the kind of gameplay the fans were used to.
Then you guessed wrong. Are you really saying this?
it's the same as saying "Sonic 1 doesn't have the platformer feeling, it wasn't the kind of platformer gameplay the fans (of platformers) were used to."
Sonic Adventure was the very first complete 3D game (I'm not talking about Jam, eXtreme and such things) which later had given the direction for the whole franchise. It was the "Sonic 1"
of the new era, which was ruined since Hegdhegog Engine was developed.
> good or worth keeping
Sure. Let's just make tons of invisible walls and allow the level play you instead of you playing the level.
I'm not even trying to defend 06 here, but people, such is you, are the main reason why the franchise is ruined right now.
>>123728846
>Whic one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8cLe9ZUh1w
Not a part of this discussion so I'll leave the rest of your drivel to the other anon.
>>123729156
This anon said
>Meanwhile LW had some really good music
implying SLW soundtrack is better than 06. Is that it? One tiny track?
>>123729156
>drivel
But he is right.
06 is shit though.
>>123729321
>Is that it?
I dunno, why don't you get that stick out of your ass and go check?
>>123729321
Not either of those anons, but here you go. I hate both games, but I remember more of LW's soundtrack than 06's, (Other than vocal tracks, and Solaris Phase 2 is overrated as fuck)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LjCflnDok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68EzgPTsjVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdHliM2iXoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA_t2p54gE
>>123729492
Obviously. I don't think I was talking about that part at all.
>>123729492
06 is shit, and you'd have to be absolutely fucking retarded to imply it's better than Colors or Generations, which, unlike what that anon is implying, isn't all boost to win (Boost is actually pretty rare in Colors, so you can't "Boost to win")
>>123728846
>In the end they were actors that sonic fans are used to
And? That means jack shit, faggot. And even then you're wrong. Ryan Drummond was Sonic all the way up until Shadow's game. So Sonic wasn't even the voice actor everyone was used to.
>his personality becomes more or less like of a total asshole
Except not. The plot has him being more snarky than he usually is if that's what you mean. Go read StC for Sonic being a total asshole.
>Then you guessed wrong
I was being facetious. By your terms, SA1 does not have the "Sonic feeling" since it abandoned the previous gameplay style. Going into the 3rd dimension does not change this fact nor does it excuse it.
>which later had given the direction for the whole franchise
Yeah and that direction was towards the garbage dump.
>which was ruined since Hegdhegog Engine was developed
More like it saved the franchise since the Adventure style of gameplay had proven itself to be shit many times over, you fucking nostalgiafag.
>Sure. Let's just make tons of invisible walls and allow the level play you instead of you playing the level.
At least the levels were designed with the intention of players enjoying themselves and having fun. You can barely play the levels in 06 for various reasons.
>I'm not even trying to defend 06 here
Well, you're doing an awful good job.
>but people, such is you, are the main reason why the franchise is ruined right now.
You mean "such as" and no I'm not. That would be idiots like you. Now go away. Dealing with mongrels like you is annoying.
>>123728846
>Let's just make tons of invisible walls and allow the level play you instead of you playing the level.
Running into said walls is impossible unless you either go our of your way to do it on purpose or work for IGN/Gamespot
Am I really suppose to tell the obvious? I mean, come on.
>>123727810
> as I suspected
You did not suspect anything. You just want it to be true, because your twisted view of the franchise differs from the normal one.
To make it clear:
What's a SA?
- 6 playable characters
- character themes for EVERY character
- game universe INSIDE the sonic universe, feature meaningfull places, such as Angel Island, The Ark, Emerald Shrine, Station Square etc.
- dialogs which makes SENSE, unlike in SLW (for exmpl - in one cutscene in SLW sonic says to Tails that he totally trusts him, he totally trusts his pilot and engeneering skills, and then right in the next cutscene he tells Tails to back of since, oh my god, THEY NEED EGGMAN to cooperate because is a great mechanic)
- not just crutches (parquor? what?) but the real innovations. unique badniks for EVERy level, not just the same badniks fron the previous levels, like in SLW, Unleashed etc.
Like, if that's not enough to convince you, then I suppose you're just another nintenyearold, who' gonna defence any WiiU exclusive (oh wait....), although it's utter shit.
>>123718858
I'll grant you that I think Sonic Adventure is a good game, but you're overselling it a bit.
> Unique vocal themes
Actually, I agree that they're all pretty great, except for Amy's theme.
> 6 playable characters
...One of which was complete and utter shit, four of which had good ideas but didn't last nearly long enough due to having so few levels, and all of which you had to play to get to the final story.
> Adventure fields
...Which were great when they weren't confusing, which for me was the clusterfuck that was Mystic Ruins's jungle. But the map in SADX did help immensely with that.
Also...
> Long periods where you're playing minigames or fighting Bosses, but not going through levels.
> Repetition of content, especially bosses.
> Chao gardens are a pain in the ass to navigate to. Understandable as a rookie mistake, but intolerable after it remained borked after SA2.
> Emblems don't do shit in the Dreamcast version. Later versions do fix this, however.
> No multiplayer.
Like I said, it's a great game but with flaws. If you don't mind replaying Sonic's levels over and over again, they're really not noticeable, though.
>>123730323
>but the real innovations. unique badniks for EVERy level, not just the same badniks fron the previous levels, like in SLW, Unleashed etc.
Which is why 06 started repeating enemies worse than any of the games you mentioned. Actually, Lost World had new enemies with every world, while towards the end of any given playthrough of 06, you'd see the same arrangement of iblis monsters/eggman robots.
>game universe INSIDE the sonic universe, feature meaningfull places, such as Angel Island, The Ark, Emerald Shrine, Station Square etc.
06 had none of that. Crisis City is maybe the closest, but it's not meaningful or memorable like the other ones you mentioned. Soleanna is a shittier Station Square and has nothing memorable about it. No landmarks, no set pieces, not even a memorable theme
>- 6 playable characters
06 had 9, and all but 1 of them (Blaze) were broken beyond repair or boring as fuck (Sonic's was broken because of his gems and mach speed sections)
>Dialogue which makes sense
Dialogue makes sense, but character motivations and actions sure as fuck don't. Lost World' story is an abomination, but 06's is known as the worst for a reason
>Not just crutches
Sonic 06 is indeed SA3, but it takes the worst aspects of the previous 2 Adventure games. It does feel like a Sonic game, but not a good one.
>>123730323
>You did not suspect anything
No, I suspected correctly and now you're trying to backpedal.
>because your twisted view of the franchise differs from the normal one
Projection.
>What's a SA?
A generally poorly designed game where more than 50% of the game is irredeemable shit or nearly unplayable.
>dialogs which makes SENSE
>Sonic 06
>making sense
You are clearly so far up your ass that you could use your uvula like a speedbag.
>unique badniks for EVERy level
First off, that's not an innovation. Secondly, you're wrong even then. Most levels in both SA games reused enemies.
>Like, if that's not enough to convince you, then I suppose you're just another nintenyearold, who' gonna defence any WiiU exclusive (oh wait....), although it's utter shit.
>this delusional strawman
Oh, go fuck yourself, you almighty cunt. I don't know what you're supposed to be convincing me of but all you've managed to do is convince me that you're a complete fucking retard. Take off the rose-tinted glasses, underfag.
>>123729992
>Ryan Drummond was Sonic all the way up until Shadow's game
Obviously that guys' voice from 4kids sounds a lot like Drummonds'. And as I was saying (you somehow missed it again) his personality was still the same.
When they changed the voice actor - the voice of Sonic became so different they had to make changes in his personality also. Again, this is obvious.
It's not my problen that you are a deaf retard.
>The plot
Are you seriously telling me they did it NOT on purpose? ahah oh wow
>since it abandoned the previous gameplay style
How dumb can you get? Changes inside 3d gameplay =/= changes because of the hardware.
If that's too hard for you birdbrain, then you can differ classic and modern. (which sega also does)
>Yeah and that direction was towards the garbage dump.
Says who? It was Unleashed, not SA. SA was recognized as the greatest successor to the classic series be press and still most sold 3d sonic game so far.
> had proven
Where?
>At least the levels were designed
For a casual shit like you, who cant push more than 2 buttons. Then again, you are the cancer that killed the franchise.
>Now go away.
Why should I? I'm having a lot of fun fun mocking casual dipshits like you.
>>123731093
>A generally poorly designed game
>you're trying to backpedal
>you could use your uvula like a speedbag.
>go fuck yourself
damn kid, you look so pathetic right now, my faggot-metter is almost breaking, when pointed at you.
I won't reply for your own sake, since it's obvious you're in no condition to continue the dialog. You were told, now deal with it.
>>123726435
Prolly Adventure 1, in that the way the game was structured made it feel like there really was a world to save. Also, the glitches were either harmless, hilarious, or epic.
>>123731301
>For a casual shit like you, who cant push more than 2 buttons
You're saying this as if any 3d Sonic has used more than 2 buttons. Actually, Unleashed used more buttons than 06 or the Adventure games (Or are you ignoring SA2's problem of trying to keep Sonic a 1-2 button game and mapping at least 3 different moves to one button).
>>123727665
It's be one of my top-tier games if the pinball / slide physics of the casino levels weren't fucked up, and jumping from rail to rail wasn't so finicky.
>>123731849
>You're saying this as if any 3d Sonic has used more than 2 buttons
Yeah, well, in SA I actually had to push some arrows. Not jusp jump and boost.
>>123731989
You also had to do so in Colors, because you couldn't boost to win since filling your boost gauge was harder in that game, and it involved a lot more precise platforming, You'd know this if you played the game
>>123731021
06 was a bad attemp at making SA3. Sattisified? It's not SA formula which is broken, but 06 itself. Again, I'm not defending 06 here.
>>123732192
Yes. I happened to confuse you for another anon, and I apologize.
>>123732073
Colors in an exception. I love the game and I did play it. The soundtrack by Kenichi Tokoi is also great. But you do realize it's not enough to be a mothership series.
>>123731301
>Obviously that guys' voice from 4kids sounds a lot like Drummonds'.
Delusion. They are nothing alike.
>his personality was still the same
Sonic's personality in 06 is not only nothing like it is in any other Sonic game but contains not even a strand of any of Sonic's personality traits.
It's not my problem that you're plugging your ears like a crying child.
>Are you seriously telling me they did it NOT on purpose?
Try learning English and reading comprehension, you fucking mongoloid. Of course they did it on purpose but at least it was still Sonic, albeit more lighthearted.
>How dumb can you get?
Projection.
>Changes inside 3d gameplay =/= changes because of the hardware
Change = Change
It was a change from what it used to be. Your pathetic excuses for why it doesn't count do not matter to me and I'll just continue to ignore them.
>Says who?
Says me and the majority of fans, asshat.
>by press
lel
>most sold 3D Sonic
Both Heroes and Unleashed sold more and that's including SADX. Try doing some research. Source: VGChartz
>Where?
SA1, SA2, Heroes, Shadow, and 06. Each one of those is shit for one reason or another.
>For a casual shit like you, who cant push more than 2 buttons
Nice strawman. You sure showed me.
>you are the cancer that killed the franchise
Projection.
>Why should I?
Because watching you be a huge idiot is embarrassing.
>>123731659
>more projection and other assorted fallacies
Only one here that got spanked was you, kid.
>>123732258
My post are>>123730323>>123728846
>>123731659
>>123732336
Fair enough then. Everyone is entitled to their tastes
>>123732401
>Both Heroes and Unleashed sold more and that's including SADX.
In which universe?
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=sonic+heroes
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=sonic+adventure
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=sonic+unleashed
>Delusion.
ahaha oh wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58TVMOIwhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV_FwpfLoLQ
and now try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8I5YI6kZk
overoll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDLXUMm919Y
>Sonic's personality in 06 is not only nothing like it is in any other Sonic
Does he act like an asshole? No, he doesn't. It's true he was not given much of a character in 06, but still no one was offended by his behavior, unlike in Colors, which was noticible ever since the first minute.
> Of course they did it on purpose
Then you're confusing your own facts, dipshit. You stated that the plot is the reason for his personality, implying his voice actor has nothing to do with it, and now you're agreeing with me.
>Projection
A new word you've learned today at school. Go back in class and learn something new.
>It was a change from what it used to be.
Change = Change
Not in this case, but if you're still struggling - go to nintygen and tell them Mario 64 doesn't have a Mario feeling to it because it's 3d.
>Your pathetic excuses
My so called "pathetic excuses" are actually solid facts stated in this >>123730323 post which you did not disprove at all and will not, since you're only capable of spouting nonsense and abusing for no reason.
>Because watching you be a huge idiot is embarrassing.
>Projection.
>Projection.
>Nice strawman.
..then again, that's the majority of the current sonic fanbase after all, so I'm not surprised.
What are you anons even arguing?
>>123733882
I dunno. I said that SA is a good game, and 06 has at least some feel to it, unlike SLW, which, in my opinion is a bad game.
Then this >>123732401 faggot appeared out of nowhere and started typing walls of meaningless text about SA being shit, everyne liking it being shit, and SLW, Unleashed being a great games.
That's my first day in sonic general by the way. I am impressed.
>>123733473
This one because I'm not a retard that counts SA2 sales as SA1 sales.
Yup. The difference is highly noticeable. Thank you for helping prove my point. Btw whether one voice actor sounds similar to another is subjective for the most part so it doesn't even matter in this argument. Which is really only a loss to you.
>but still no one was offended by his behavior
What a lie. Lots of people were offended by his lack of character because it wasn't Sonic. Even P&G Sonic is still Sonic in some form.
Plot and scripting determine what a VA says and how they say it. Try some reading comprehension once in a while.
>Go back in class and learn
Take your own advice. You need it infinitely more than I do.
>Not in this case
>Change doesn't equal change because I say so
>go to nintygen and tell them Mario 64 doesn't have a Mario feeling to it because it's 3d
By your logic, it doesn't. What were you trying to prove with that statement? Other than that you're an idiot that is.
>the shit in that post
>solid facts
That's a funny joke. Oh wait, you're serious. That's even funnier. I didn't have to disprove any of it because the game you claim that have those things, 06, does not even have half of those things.
Go back to sonic stadium or the sega forums or whatever other shithole you crawled out of to vomit your nonsense here. You have truly proven that people like you are the true cancer. And I don't mean fans of a certain style of game. I mean idiots. Idiots like you are the cancer that kills whatever franchise you dwell within. Sorry about that extra chromosome, I guess.
>>123734327
>That's my first day in sonic general by the way
It should be your last, too. You obviously don't belong here.
>>123734327
>everyne liking it being shit, and SLW, Unleashed being a great games
I don't think he said any of these things.
>>123733473
>You stated that the plot is the reason for his personality, implying his voice actor has nothing to do with it, and now you're agreeing with me.
Not him, but plot generally has more direction over how a character acts and their personality than the VA. Unleashed Sonic acted quite differently from 06 Sonic, and they shared the same VA (Jason Griffith), and Boom Sonic acts noticeably different than mainline, and again, the same VA. It all comes down to writing and voice direction, not the VAs themselves. I can show more examples of this if you want
>>123734327
Adventure and Unleashed are both good games. I haven't played Lost World so I can't say, but what I do know is that the game is extremely polarizing, the story is shit, and it's a big pile of wasted potential whether it's the way Sonic reacts to Tails getting turned into a robot(How horrible!), or the Deadly 6 who are evil for the sake of being evil.
>>123734682
>This one because I'm not a retard that counts SA2 sales as SA1 sales.
Yeah, yor're a whole different retard, that counts both Uneashed and Heroes. It's not my problem SA has 2 games anyway.
>is subjective for the most part
Do you know what "pinch" means? Drummonds' and the 4kids guys' are almost on the same level, while the colors guys' is a lot higher.
Again, it's obvious for most people, but not for you, since you're a deaf retard.
>were offended by his lack of character
Lack = change. He was not an asshole, there was at least some logic in his words, unlike in those dialogs from SLW I mentioned earlier. Hell, even in Colors he acts like idiot, saying he did all the job by himself, although Tails took huge part in it too.
> You need it infinitely more than I do.
Well, no. I'm not the one using 6th grade ways to abuse someone on the internets.
>By your logic
hooboy. My logic? It's you who said changing the game from 2D to 3D makes it a whole new game. Again, it's the same as saying "Sonic 1 doesn't have the platformer feeling, it wasn't the kind of platformer gameplay the fans (of platformers) were used to."
if this sentence doesn't sound odd to you, then I guess I am wasting my time here.
>You obviously don't belong here.
The more reason for me to stay then. At least I know where you, the cancer of the franchise, are hiding and I know where to go when I'd like to mock some casual faggots, like you.
Like, this is the reason why I made this ironical question >>123723872 in the first place, since judging from your aggresive behaviour it's pretty obvious the concept of the argument is far from your comprehansion. I don't mind answering your walls of desperate cries, but you're only hurting yourself here.
>>123735361
>Unleashed Sonic acted quite differently from 06 Sonic
But not that differently from SA/heroes/etc. 06 is, well, a bad attempt. But you have to agree that they had to male changes in sonic personality to fir his new voice.
>>123735080
Think again then.
Search for "nostalgiafag" and look at this post >>123721953
>>123735872
I really don't think they change the personality to match the voice actor. Everything I know about the video game development process, writing, and voice acting tells me it is way more likely that the voice actor will be cast/directed to match the personality that is written. And Pontaff can't really write personality anyway, which makes it even harder.
>>123736162
06 isn't better than Lost World though.
>>123735520
>e story is shit, and it's a big pile of wasted potential whether it's the way Sonic reacts to Tails getting turned into a robot(How horrible!), or the Deadly 6 who are evil for the sake of being evil.
I'm still questioning whether I hate this story, 06's, or Shadow''s the most. 06 takes itself way too seriously and has one of the worst implementation of time travel ever. Shadow's is a mess of disjointed plot points that either go nowhere or are resolved in retarded ways due to the bullshit moral choice system, and Lost World is wasted potential: The game (Potential I hope Ian Flynn capitalizes on in the eventual Lost World arc)
>>123735872
Again, the script is usually written before VAs are chosen, and usually are not written with them in mind. The thing is, the personality change really falls a lot on Pontac and Graff, since they've flat out admitted they didn't play a single Sonic game before Colors, and that lack of understanding likely contributed to Sonic being kind of a dick. (Notice how they write everyone like that. That or emotionally detached, which worked for Madworld. but not for sonic)
>>123736162
AS the person who made the post you linked, Lost World is not a good game by any stretch of the imagination, I just said it was better than 06. Lost World is fucking awful and I absolutely hate it
This general became real shit, real fast.
>>123736342
As a complete game - no. As a sonic game - I beg to differ.
>>123735684
>that counts both Uneashed and Heroes
Learn to fucking count, fuckhead.
Using your own links:
Sonic Adventure+SADX - 3.69 million
Sonic Heroes(not counting the SMB combos) - 5.46 million
Sonic Unleashed - 4.88 million
Stay fucked, kiddo.
>Again, it's obvious for most people, but not for you, since you're a deaf retard.
And what proof do you have? None. It's subjective.
>Hell, even in Colors he acts like idiot, saying he did all the job by himself, although Tails took huge part in it too
So you're saying Sonic isn't cocky or full of himself?
>It's you who said changing the game from 2D to 3D makes it a whole new game
But you are saying that a game that changes too much from the previous one doesn't have the "feeling" of the series. Moving to 3D is a pretty big change thus SA1 doesn't have the "Sonic feeling" but SA2 somehow does have the "Sonic feeling" since it's like SA1. How do you not see the fucking lack of logic in this? Has your frontal lobe not developed at all? If that sentence didn't sound odd to you, then I guess I'm wasting my time here. Except I know I'm actually wasting my time here since I know for a fact that you're content staying tucked snuggly up your own ass instead of using your brain.
>At least I know where you, the cancer of the franchise, are hiding and I know where to go when I'd like to mock some casual faggots, like you.
So what you're saying is that you plan on staying here just to shitpost because you're too insecure about what games you like and feel like projecting your inadequacies onto other people because they don't have same shitty minority viewpoints you do.
>but you're only hurting yourself here
The irony is palpable.
>>123736734
Welcome to what happens when a place like sonic stadium leaks into the general.
>>123736796
06 is worse than LW in every way and that is quite a feat.
>>123736796
And this is where you lose me. Whether it has the feel of a Sonic game or not, if it's not fun, it fails. And 06 fails much harder than Lost World. Whether it's the constant glitches you have to fight with, or the massive load times.
>>123731742
My second favorite, after Sonic 2, which is one of the few games I consider both timeless and flawless. Adventure has a good number of flaws, but none of them can make me overlook how much that game blew my fucking mind.
>>123736796
A Mario game is more of a Sonic game than a Final Fantasy game is by virtue of it at least being a somewhat-cartoony all-ages platformer.
>>123736734
at this stage, I just skip over everything when I notice an excess amount of large posts with greentext in and out. it's only shitposting.
So in an effort to give the people who aren't engaged in greentext wars something to look at, I'm gonna storytime this issue (Maybe the rest of the arc if people really want)
>>123737627
>We find only two types of creatures:Those in love and those who wish to they were in love
Gag me
>>123737775
Going back to this after reading some of Ian's stuff with the Chaotix is heartbreaking, because nobody has a personality here (Except Vector, who is Penders trying to be hip and cool)
>>123738238
>boobgun
>>123736995
>Sonic Adventure+SADX
+ SA2 = 6.37
At that time Heroes was released on 3 platforms, while SA had only 2 and if you you wouldn't have dicks within your eyes you would have noticed that vgchartz (linking which is hilarious by itself, but who cares?) does not show numbers for DX PC version.
>Stay fucked, kiddo.
Guess that stays with you.
>And what proof do you have?
Proof for what? For peaople having the ability to differ pinches in voices? Man, you're becoming more hilarious with every post.
>So you're saying Sonic isn't cocky or full of himself?
Also caring and sharp when it comes to his bros feelings. For some reasons those qualities were cut off since Colors.
>How do you not see the fucking lack of logic in this?
I just don't share the retarted bias logic you have.
Again, if you're struggling so much, then do not compare classic with modern. It's false. Even Sega tells you to do so. 2D sonic games and 3D sonic games are whole different games and we are talking about 3D games here.
It's the same as comparing SMB from NES with Mario 64 saying Mario 64 is not a Mario game because it's 3D. You still don't get it, do you?
I'll just say it straight out so even a breandead insect like you would undertand:
SA is THAT sonic game that made that made THAT sonic feeling, which I reffered to previously.
As I said -
Sonic Adventure was the very first complete 3D game (I'm not talking about Jam, eXtreme and such things) which later had given the direction for the whole franchise. It was the "Sonic 1"
of the new era, which was ruined since Hegdhegog Engine was developed.
It's not my opinion, it's what SonicTeam did.
>06 is worse than LW in every way and that is quite a feat.
I didn't ask for your twisted opinion, faggot, did I?
>Sonic Stadium
I see you're mentioning it too much in your posts. I've nver been to this place, but I guess that recenty they've been making general cleaning of garbage and you was on sight.
>>123738095
not him, but there's also a difference between "here's my opinions, I shit on you." "no u!"
in what I saw, there's not much discussing, just fighting.
>>123738238
>>123738273
That'd make Julie Su interesting, and we can't have that (Seriously, even Ian couldn't make her worth 2 shits. She was the most boring part of the first Knuckles arc in Universe.)
>>123737075
>Whether it's the constant glitches you have to fight with, or the massive load times.
Again, thats the game itself. Imagine it without glitches and loading screens. It still has it's SAish gameplay, unlike SLW, which even has two buttons for quicj running and simple walking. It's a complete mario Galaxy clone. At least 06 was a self-sufficient game, although it's bad. That's my point.
>>123738426
They were discussing actual story differences between games before they devolved into shitflinging, and that's more than games like SA1 get in terms of real discussion in this general.
Of course, the argument over characterization is moot, considering that the Storybook games already damn near perfected Sonic's characterization.
>>123738614
The ultimate problem with the drama here (And I've said this before), is that there is none. An ex-Dark Legion member dating the Guardian of Angel Island (And actually falling in love, since the Guardians are kind of loveless emotionless assholes) should cause some controversy. But it goes nowhere. Any interesting ideas in Julie-Su's character concept or backstory are ignoreed and tossed aside in favor of playing it safe
>>123738667
>Of course, the argument over characterization is moot, considering that the Storybook games already damn near perfected Sonic's characterization.
My nigga.
>It was never about chivalry for me. I just gotta do what I've gotta do, that's all!
Still my favorite line in the series. He was cocky, headstrong, and loved adventure, but also had a heart of gold (Which many people seem to overlook. Guy's a total sweetheart)
>>123738667
>>123738426
Look, right now the SLW lover is trying to say, that classic Sonic and 3d sonics are basically the same games, the same series with just a few minor changes (just added 3d. that's it.).
I don't even think it would be wise to continue this dialog. I had my fun, but even I have some mercy.
>>123738909
Also, Knuckles being cool with his father and living with him so soon after it was revealed that not only was Locke ALIVE, but he was a complete asshole just comes off as wrong.
>>123738919
>Saying that Lost World is better than 06 means he likes it
Just because you think one pile of shit is better than the other doesn't mean you think the first pile is any good. Just thought I'd say that. I'm staying out of it otherwise
>>123738319
>counting SA1 and SA2 as the same game
Fuck off, retard.
>pinches in voices
Learn English.
>For some reasons those qualities were cut off since Colors
Wrong and he hardly had them (caring and sharp when it comes to his bros feelings) before Colors. He didn't have them at all in 06.
>bias logic
This deflection is unreal. You are making up excuses for literally anything you get called out on.
>2D sonic games and 3D sonic games are whole different games
Exactly and by your logic that means SA1 doesn't have the "Sonic feeling". How does it feel exposing yourself as an idiot? All I had to do was test your logic and it fell apart and you've been making excuses and backpedaling ever since.
>As I said -
And you can reread my original reply to this schlock.
>It's not my opinion that that era was ruined by the Hedgehog Engine and not the games in the era itself
>this opinion isn't exactly like mine so it's the twisted one, not mine ;_;
Get your head out of your ass and you'll see that YOU are the one with the twisted minority opinion here. You are the outlier while I am the norm.
I mention it as an example of the kind of shithole you crawled out of.
>the rest of that sentence
Learn basic fucking English. It's like you're some retarded mexican kid that thinks the adventure games and anything like it were the pinnacle of Sonic.
Keep it up. Hopefully you'll get banned.
>>123738919
>SLW lover
Where did I say I loved LW?
>that classic Sonic and 3d sonics are basically the same games
If anything I said that they were completely different games which is what my point was but you're too fucking retarded to understand that.
>but even I have some mercy
I wonder if you actually think you came out on top in this.
>>123739108
You know, I'm surprised George Lucas didn't have something like this in the Star Wars prequels, but then I remembered that the Jedis weren't naturally programmed to be emotionless assholes unlike the echidnas
>>123726435
Advance 2.
>>123738642
It would still have a fucked up story with many plot holes, and Elise kissing Sonic. It would still have the cringy dialogue, and character animations. It would still have the broken mach speed sections. No, I honestly don't see 06 being in any way better than Lost World.
The only thing that's good about 06 is the soundtrack, and CG cutscenes. That's it.
As for Lost World, have you actually played Mario Galaxy? Cause I don't remember Galaxy having spindashes, homing attacks, or parkour for that matter.
>>123739435
Locke really shouldn't be giving romantic advice
So: Does good Sonic anything exist? If so, what is it?
Seeing as people are eating each other alive over the games, is there anything Sonic related that can even be regarded as "not shit" by the majority?
>>123739641
S3&K
S2
Gens and Colors
Sonic Racing Transformed
The comics
