Unreasonably attractive cats EDITION
>What is Blade & Soul?
Blade & Soul is a Korean fantasy martial-arts MMORPG developed by Team Bloodlust(NCsoft). The game is heavily grounded in Chinese culture and martial-arts, and was praised for its dynamic combat and high skill-cap PvP. Currently in Korea, its one of the most played games and even has an esports scene that is fairly popular.
>Whats is the class system like?
Currently there are 8 classes with only 7 on NA release. There is no trinity of roles but instead, certain classes act as tanks in PvE while most classes have a self heal or lifesteal ability. Another unique thing is how classes can interact with each others CC to use certain abilities, such as grabs and tackles.
>Why is it getting such an uproar now?
The North American Version of Blade & Soul was recently announced and is entering Closed Beta Testing soon.
>CBT1 for NA will begin on October 29th at 10AM PDT.
https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139560-closed-beta-now-begins-october-29/
>Skill tree preview
https://bnstree.com/
>Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COSTUMES
>Official Beta Build info
Mushin is main server Iksanun is the secondary server if you don't want queue times.
You can choose a faction in Bamboo Village. If one is full, you can switch later in Jadestone village
>Clans:
NFA - Mushin, Red Faction
Make a post replying to the OP with your IGN for an invite.
>More Info (including BnS TW, character presets and class rundowns):
http://pastebin.com/9ztU0NcY
First for Kung Fu Master Race
2nd for stuck at character creation
3rd for phallic object in lyn
PRETTY KITTY
?th for I'm going tohugall the Lynbois
>>121069890
I like hugs.
>>121070070
So adorable
>>121069743
God damn furries.
>>121070610
>>121070287
>>121069743
Fuck your gay ass cats and fuck Lyn summoner only being able to summon cats
DOG SUMMONER WHEN?
>>121070456
That's not furry, that's zoophilia
>>121049475
Oh, hey WebManon. I made a few in the last few threads, shit though they are because I don't have a monster computer. You must not hav ebeen paying attention. Here, let me help you.
>>121069890
She looks nice Anon. Here, have a choppy WebM of my Lyn from behind.
>>121070851
What's the difference?
>>121070929
furries fuck animal costumes
zoophilia fuck actual animals
And here's the second turd I made.
>>121070929
Oh you.
Wondering if I should lighten her skin some or stick to delicious brown.
>>121071052
>zoophilia fuck actual animals
Actually, that would be bestiality.
Zoophilia is having a sexual attraction to animals
>>121071192
Try one of the more naturally-lit backgrounds. I honestly can't give much of an opinion in that one.
so why is this being delayed until january 2016?
novemeber will be beta and then nothing for all of december?
>>121071192
I think you need to stop being the most disgusting nig nog ape in this thread.
>>121071469
you clearly didnt read the beta dates
>>121070816
Probably never.
They've teased the idea of letting summoners summon things other than cats, but most of the ideas went into making the Warlock.
>>121071469
Weekend 1: Oct 29, 10am PDT - Nov 2, 10pm PST
Weekend 2: Nov 13, 10am PST - Nov 16, 10pm PST (EU servers live)
Weekend 3: Nov 24, 10am PST - Nov 30, 10pm PST
Weekend 4: Dec 11, 10am PST - Dec 14, 10pm PST
Weekend 5: Dec 18, 10am PST - Dec 21, 10pm PST
Skim through the pastebin first else you end up looking like an idiot
>decide to make a Yun
>those presets
>dat forehead when you choose a hair with no bangs
>tfw
Any anons out there that managed to make their Yun look passable?
>>121071687
>>121071571
nah that doesn't seem right.
Yo, can I fucking de-summon my summoner's cat at any time or is the only way to get rid of it by sending it off to die in a fight?
>>121072312
It has to die
>>121072186
In the last thread, someone posted some sliders that made them look kinda alright. There's still some work to do (the face is untouched) but it's the best one I've seen thus far.
Here.
>>121072403
That's kind of annoying, but alright then!
Might as well just let these threads die with the servers
>>121072638
Don't worry. I'm sure someone will mention something about Gon butts or wanting to fug a lyn and the thread will come back to life.
>>121072442
Thanks a lot anon, working on the face right now.I'll report back later with my finished product
>>121072560
I wish we could de-summon for the sole purpose of seeing my character do the crying animation again. I've only seen it once and that was back on tutorial island.
>needing help creating a fantasy character in a MMO
that is really sad.
>>121072302
Well, I can't help you thenI can't cure stupid
World PvP is so dumb and isn't a real reflection of actual arena pvp.
Like, why is EVERYONE so squishy? I just don't understand that at all.
Most people die in less than one combo, not to mention your trinket/breakout skill doesn't even work unless you are put in to a very specific situation, which you are usually dead by then.
Please tell me World PvP at level 45 is at least different.
>>121073106
She's cute. I'm pretty sure the Social menu (F12) has a cry animation in there. Have you tried that?
>>121072806
I look forward to it.
>new mail from BnS team
>it's not a beta event code
>>121073286
Ah, thanks. I must have overlooked it when I was going through them.
>>121073270
What level are you experiencing this at?
>>121072751
>gon butts
You mean lyn butts.
>>121073640
Whatever. A butt is a butt to me.
>>121073473
I'm just 32 right now and just pvping at the Soulscar Desert area.
Me and my 30 KFM friend were able to kill a 40 Destroyer by comboing our skills together.
Like, why did a 40 melt that fast? That's not a thing that should happen.
Also Flash bomb is niggers.
>>121073268
I'm pretty sure the beta is only running in november.
>>121072751
Gon butts...
>>121073751
The game is kinda funny like that. But, you're 2v1ing a guy, you're gonna paste them with joint combos anyway.
Next time you melt someone like that, check their profile to see their gear. You'd be amazed by how many people are still running around with 10 HP Bopae/Soul Shields at higher levels. Partly because the game gives absolutely no mention that the Victory Tile Soul Shields are a thing and that they're fucking amazing.
>>121072186
Is this passable?
>can't perform the character creation poses in-game
Why in the fuck?
Plus a lot of people would love to use the 2nd pose as a second idle stance.
A reminder.
>>121074165
She looks astounding. Would you be so kind as to toss a brother a preset for it?
>>121074123
They a Blue Axe or something, they were just a Destroyer.
World PvP is just really fucking dumb. I really like the Lobby PvP, EXCEPT AGAINST BLADE DANCERS. I just need to learn how to fight against them as a Destroyer also.
Just, do people -not- melt in world pvp at later levels?
>>121074361
mate, don't even start. I read the blade and soul forum on leddit (fuck me right) and there was a guy who posted something like "I bought the best and most expensive machine from best buy with windows 10 and I'm having trouble with the game crashing"
>>121074573
>Just, do people -not- melt in world pvp at later levels
Honestly I wouldn't know. Sorry I can't help any more than that.
As for Blade Dancers? I haven't gotten one to cap yet, but the only thing I can really see to do about them is to nuke them to pieces when their CCs are down. Which is unlikely because we have three of them, one of which has an 8 second cooldown.
>>121072186
Is this "passable"?
>>121075139
In my opinion? Yes. In that Anon's? no clue!
>>121075139
A little on the plain side, but I'm digging the sad eyes.
>>121074165
>>121075139
Both are pretty good
>>121073286
Well here's what I made out with the face so far. It sucks that you can't reduce the forehead. Well time to work on the body.
>>121075418
Hate to be rude Anon, but, she's kinda gross looking. but you have two nice faces to work off of here, so there's that.
>>121074171
>can't play my male jin and bust out a Michael Jackson spin move after I kill an enemy
MISSED OPPORUNITY
>>121075418
Eyes a little too close together, nose a bit too long, mouth a bit too big, jaw a bit too boyish.
>>121075567
>>121075998
Thanks for the inputs
>>121074165
>>121075139
We posting Yun's now?Just made this one as a test.Sorry for toaster graphics
Is this Lyn cute enough to attract friends?
>>121077030
feels like its out of the game, a different style
its pretty much next level neat
>>121077030
Bully on sight
>>121076749
JERRY
She had man-hands.
ELAINE
[pause] Man, Hands?
JERRY
The hands of a man. It's like a creature out of Greek Mythology, I mean, she was like part woman, part horrible beast.
>>121077030
Nothing will attract friends outside of you gaining social skills
>>121077030
Yes, he's adorable
Would adventure with and hug after a long day/10
>>121077378
Funny i was thinking the same thing
>>121077324
Oh, thanks? I think this is a compliment, I still feel nice.
>>121077369
It's okay if it's you.
>>121077425
I'm just looking for online friends, to stay online friends.
>>121077489
Oh! Thanks, hugs are nice after a long day of adventuring and sparring!
>>121077489
What's your in-game name? I want to offer you a nice, big, long, hardhug
>can barely play because of the ridiculous fucking skill delays that causes me to nearly get killed
It was better when the kiddies were off at school.
>>121074417
Don't want to be mean, but I would rather not. I did the mistake of posting my character file on some different general on /vg/. Whenever someone asked for character files someone usually posted mine, started seeing near exact copies of my character within /vg/ community every now and then.
Not to imply that it's perfect or anything, or that you'd just plain copy it. But I'd prefer to be just one me.
I don't know, you could check google images for the general female face shape. Pick one to use as a base and then tinker with it until you have something you're happy with. Wouldn't advice going for hyper realistic facial proportions as it'll only give you a headache(and our CBT time is limited too!).
http://imageoverlayutility.bitbucket.org/
Is an amazing tool. Me and my pals use it quite often when creating characters. Helps a ton with basic anatomy.
Wish I could help more.
Oh wait, make sure to pick a hairstyle which exposes the entire face during the char creation. If you don't chances are you're going to regret it later when you decide to change your hairstyle.
>>121078080
Greetings from yroppa, the land of 300+ ping
I just wasted all my money and keys on that level 40 fish boss and got 29 weapons, none of them for my class.
>>121078840
hahahahahahaha
>>121079161
oi m8 u wan buy sum VIP! keys ;)))))?
>>121079007
Is this gonna be murrica only game or will there be a EU server at launch?
>>121080697
There will be EU servers. In fact those will be introduced when next CBT starts.
>>121071164
that looks kind of fun, I might try Lyn blade master next weekend
>10 days to next beta
>no class using firearms or explosives
I know shooting guns isn't martial arts, but damn do I want to use rifles, bombs, and flamethrowers beyond picking them up from enemies.
Rate my crack baby.
>>121077030
I would be your bunnnybuddy. I want to make more male lyn friends.
>>121084328
I saw you running around earlier and I thought "Oh no, he looks so sad, I just wanna hug him,"
I didn't think I'd see you here
>>121084328
faggot.
Rate/opinions?
I still can't get over the appearances are saved in fucking .jpg files.
>>121085024
CBT is a small world, eh.
Didn't really know what server to go to,
>>121085508
D'aww stop, you are flattering me.
>>121084497
Everytime someone mentions hajoon, tears pop in my eyes. Fuck Jinsooyun
>>121084374
Chin a little small and narrow, nose a little too upturned, mouth will need to be moved down a hair if those first 2 are fixed.
Pupils a little big too, but depends on what aesthetic you're going for.
>>121086593
I just wanted to make girlyboys
>>121086226
7.5/10
>>121084497
>game runs awful despite your hardware being in the recommended spectrum
feels bad, mane
>Serpect Calling Bells are 30 silver on the marketplace
>already found one for my quest and just got two more off random scorpions
but do these actually sell?
>>121087351
>A friend has been hyping the game for months and made us play it, and it turns out we are enjoying it as fuck.
>His PC decides to die on CBT1
10 minutes into Netflix and she gives you this look.
>>121087912
>watching Netflix with a down syndrome 5 year old
How many Make-A-Wish wishes have you done so far now, John Cena?
>>121087912
I-I thought you said netflix and chill
>>121088075
Hey dude, don't be insensitive.
It's called growth hormone deficiency.
We live in a political correct world now, adapt yourself.
Tips for improving this face?
Blade and Soul Official Mushi Server TV
tv/gitgud1337
>>121090410
Eyes look too far apart, try and make the gap between them about the length of one eye. I dunno, nose looks too big, and her lower jaw's too small for the size of her lips.
>>121090662
How's this? Any better?
>>121091252
Change back to the default lighting. Also post a side shot of your face, I want to see how the cheek and jawline looks. Eyebrows are very slanted and lips look too full. You can also increase the eye size.
>>121091252
Actually, yes. She looks good, not a piggu like before.
>>121091459
As you wish.
>>121091252
looks much better
>>121084328
son?
>>121092329
I see you're using again.
You're tearing this family apart.
In most cases the in-game screenshot doesn't have AA, after you take one paste it on Paint instead, that's if you have the AA enable through the GPU Control Panel.
>>121073270
>>121073751
>>121074573
Late reply but i don't recall people melting in one combo at level 50. And i played warlock who has the strongest nuking combo in the game. What happened is probably because no one cares about their gear until end game, so they're all squishy.
>try to make selvaria because why not
>hairs are either too much volume or is cut short
Time to switch over to Jin sliders
>>121094050
You'll need to be a Gon to fill out her amazonian titties.
I feel so OP. I don't know if it's because of my gear or these things are weaker than I remember or what.
>>121095370
Took me a bit longer to kill them as KFM. Needed 2x 3LBF combos to kill one.
>>121095370
I feel so weak as fm when I see others killing mobs
Can we have more of these kind of gifs?
<:-)
>>121096364
wrong general
>>121095349
Roger that captain
>>121096364
><:-)
>>121096519
:'^)))
How long until the next beta?
I spend this entire weekend just learning my class and self-inserting as a martial arts master.
Didn't get any time to make a waifu and masturbate.
>>121096364
>her hips are 1.5x the size of her shoulders
What the fuck man.
>>121096178
Pull 20 mobs, Shadow Grasp and Meteor Shower
gg
>>121096713
EU's up this weekend I believe, though you could download the TW version and make your character if you can't wait.
>>121095554
>>121096178
To be fair, that's with blade draw up.
A normal kill for me looks more like this.
>>121096905
Next weekend, actually.
Weekend 2: Nov 13–16 [English only]
>>121097060
I stand corrected then, still that gives me a week off to focus on an event in another game of mine. That and my fingers ache from all the ani-canceling. Are fingers supposed to make audible cracks when you make a fist?
I don't want this to end. ;_;
>>121098342
Its horrible knowing I need to wait a whole week before I can play again.
I was just getting used to my Pink Blade Dancer too.
>>121098127
0/10 Not bimbo enough, make the nose a mite smaller? Lips more dick sucking esque?
>>121098342
We all knew it had to come to an end friend. Be glad that we can finally enjoy this game in the west.
>>121072442
>someone saved my picture
Wow. I tried making another image for width but the Yun's poses are so fucking bad I gave up.
Basically, a female's shoulder width should be two head widths. Her shoulder and hip width should be nearly the same (hips can be larger).
I would post my face but I don't like it enough for people to mass produce.
>>121098935
Cuz it's fucking good and useful, Anon. You did us a solid by making it. Seriously, thanks.
>YOOOR NO MATCH FOR ME
>Defended!
>BLOCKED
>Countered!
>>121098759
That's not Soju she's drinking.
>>121098759
I'll miss you, lewdposter.
>>121098342
Finding it pretty hard to stop playing but at the same time I don't wanna freaking burn myself out on this like I did with a shitton of other alpha/beta games.
Still, LV16 seems like a good stopping point since that's when you get a survey asking about your overall experience with the game.
How do you beat a Destoryer as an Assassin?
>>121099691
Keep your distance, you can range them pretty easily and bait them into leaping into a counter.
>>121099691
You kinda don't.
But I finally beat a Blade Dancer as a Destroyer.
He was Silver so he might have been bad.
>>121099364
It was either that or "Grade-A Gook Juice".
>>121099513
And I you, at least for the next two weeks when the second CBT starts.
>>121100075
Not saying it's a bad thing, what she's drinking that is.
Heyyyy. So like...d'you think he's baked enough, mannn?
>>121101262
Bruh, roll that shit, light that shit, pass that shit.
>>121101373
Dude I don't even know where I am or what i'm wearing, man.
>>121101924
>>121101373
Ffffhuuuck mannn.
>>121101262
>>121101373
>>121102104
Pass it over here bruh?
>>121101262
>>121101373
>>121101924
>>121102104
haha ebin posts! Really pushes the quality of this thread to the limit, hehe!
Oh boy here we go
Finally some shitposting to liven up this boring thread
>>121102427
>>121102273
Nah, you guys are the garbage. At least they're having fun.
Baked Lyn, you and me are gonna have some fun next beta. You better be here.
>>121102273
The game is going down. Most of us are sad or dying on the inside, let us grief and shitpost in peace. We have 2 hours left and then we have to go back to whatever shithole we crawled out of. (Tera/FFXIV/WoW)
>>121102427
Game's going bye bye in a few hours, might as well go crazy.
>>121102748
Oh, I'm not even here to call people out on their "fun". I'm just here to witness people get pissy about it.
Many people like to make baby faced cute Lyn. I like making wise looking & experienced Kitsune Lyn. Someone who has see shit and knows too much.
>>121103010
Not bad.
>>121102748
Holy fuck your face is amazing now! Great job.
>>121103010
OH YEAH WELL I'D TOTALLY LIKE TObe her apprentice and constantly disappoint her that my skills and foresight is never good enough
>>121103010
I made one I thought was spoopy and edgy. Will probably give her white hair and red lips at launch.
Less than 2 and a half hours until servers go down. Guess I'll try Gon Destroyer before shutdown
>>121103010
I'm trying to make like an epic war general Lyn Male.
I saw one on the loading screen (Blonde hair, blonde ears, and wearing the Imperial Armor) and that looked pretty cool.
>>121103492
been waiting all day to play with my friend but he'd rather play binding of isaac. not happy right now
>>121103010
I also got here sister prototype. A bit too edgy looking, But you want to hug her.
>>121103139
Yeah, her face...
I WANT TO FUG A GON LADY!
>>121103653
Also this fucking smug. Somehow for the mouth right to do this during idle.
Dude the clothes are so comfy oh my god man.
I really can't see how blade master is any good in pvp, at least not until you can recognize every single animation for every class and know it's cooldown and be able to keep track of it
Other classes get free as fuck disables or can kite you forever or heal off you forever. Like the only way to win with bm is if you get like 10 consecutive parries.
How do I win against a FM as a KFM? I get frozen for days and even when I proc my 3-hit stun they can kite me so well I can't get close enough to hit them.
Are Gons dick chikcs or what?
>>121104949
Death by snu snu chicks.
so why arent in game outfits salvagable?
So not to be on topic but what's a good build for destroyers? I can barely make heads or tails of the tooltips.
>>121105868
Yeah the skills are worded really oddly.
>>121104949
Akiva is, that's the only one I know ofso far
>>121105868
Brother pls
https://bnstree.com/DE/Eyjz7uebl
>>121105868
http://www.freedomplays.com/blade-soul-destroyer-guide/
This might be of use if you want to do PVE. It's built for level 50 so right now just pick and choose what skills you want to level. At the least level your LB and RB so you can animation cancel properly, and your hold to restore focus/chi on hit so your teammates can wail on the boss when you use it.
How do LBM ignore half my cc? When I actually try to get it on them they just become immune to them. If it's iframes then I understand but how many iframes do they have to ignore 75% of my stuns and dazes?
What do i even do when a destroyer is doing that fire spin as a blade master?
I can't parry it, i couldn't seem to get a knock down, i can't run away from it
Is it just damage that i have to accept or something?
>tfw KFM and FM are the classes you're most interested in
;_;
>yfw it's 10 days to next beta
Thanks everyone. See you in about 10 days!
>>121108165
Too far away
I just want to keep playing
>>121108165
paps
>>121106334
u da best
>>121105953
u also da best
>fight against Summoner as KFM
>couldn't get them below 80% hp before getting chained to death
How do I fight against kiting as KFM? Every time I get near them they just snare or stun me until I have not gap closer.
>>121108304
>>121108165
I want to share too!
>>121109557
Disturbing lack of giantess Gons.
>>121109690
>>121108165
>i missed the group picture again
god fucking damn it
>>121110129
He looks so worried
>>121110074
You and me both friend. Maybe next time.
>>121108937
For the Bns build, the one I linked.
That's more "intensive" since there's no easy-animation cancel skill build.
>>121110259
How do you make your screenshot quality so much nicer?
Can you remove your items posted on the marketplace?
>>121110434
LEAA on 4
>>121111190
https://youtu.be/sinVFTQGfuE
What the fuck is with this serpent bell?
>>121111476
its really rare.
It's 30 silver on the marketplace so good luck.
>>121111720
greedy jews in this market for a damn quest item
>Only 40 minutes of beta time left
>No idea if I'll even be able to get on the next one or another one period
Well at least early december i'll have my Master's Pack
>beta almost over
w... what will I do?
>>121112483
wait 10 days
>>121112483
Try not to cry
Cry a lot
Someone have the don't look anicancel pic?
https://youtu.be/_e8cQ9WMuuE
;~;
>>121112803
>>121112803
Okay I give up on KFM
>>121113280
Why? It's easily the most fun class to watch and play.
I'm not very good at webms
Well got to 33 and Silver in 1v1, with 11 wins 4 losses.
Game is super fun and exceeded my expectations and really looking forward to the other betas and hopefully the actual release hope to actually meet and play with some of you guys soon too.
And to close this out -
"This game's pvp is very skill based and requires you to be actually good." - Said the Spinning Gon
I guess I will try to make higher quality webms in the future
>>121114798make one from the back
>>121114798
>>121114974
Give her wider shoulders.
>>121114798
>>121114974
>le ebin webm of ugliness
>>121112483
cry cause they'll be even less of lyn butts.
>All these FM freezes and assassin stun set up
Man I need to learn how to counter these as a KFM or hope some of my other skills can do it.
>>121114974
oh god
>>121115114
Nigga fuck u u don kno shitI'll miss you all. ;_;
>>121115157
I practically gave up fighting against FM as KFM. Don't forget to Ice Sheath against Assassins against their stun setup.
>no longer get to play as giantess gon-girl...
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>>121108165
ERP hitsquad
I MADE IT I GOT LAST IN GUILD CHAT I'M A GOD
Told you I was MLG. Love you guys. Later! <3
>>121115157
Coming from an FM, it's pretty shitty for KFMs to fight against us.
Only tip I can give is, when chill starts to get low, FMs are going to throw out another frost palm to re-apply a stack, so try and counter then.
servers ded
Commence shitposting for 10 days.
Starting... NOW.
Well, it didn't turn out like my Japanese animes after all.
Who at world's end here? Thoughts on the beta?
Who hyped for perhaps getting warlock soon?
>Not waiting to be kicked in a comfy location
>>121115857
Reminds me that I should spend this between beta time checking out PvP videos and trying to get discussion going.
>>121115981
That's what I'm gonna be doing. I hit 1500 and fought against a summ and had no idea what was going on, then tilted back down to 1400.
I need to do my research.
>>121115956
Warlock is probably taking 6 months to a fucking year.
>>121112803
>in the last game, the kfm trying to anicancel his combo abruptly gets knocked back and loses his momentum on a stunned enemy for some random reason
lmao, bloodlust has a shitload of work to do on this game still if you're going to make it a legit esport
>>121115909
We need to get together and do black guy stuff.
Well damn, that was a lot better than I thought it would be, good job NCSoft.
>>121115956
I got hyped for this game 3 years ago when it got released, I played a lot back then..
I even bought the founders package and all that I thought of playing this weekend was; there is no content, and no owpvp
>inb4 muh factionpvp
>>121107230
Blade dancer spin provides immunity to stuns, dazes, and knockbacks (but not knockdowns or knock-ups) during its duration.
You have to bait an opening if you want to use stuns on them. Either that, or just wait for them to run out of focus.
>>121116102
I didn't even get a chance to really try to PvP yet. I was too busy learning how my skills worked, what traits do what, etc.
Next beta I intend to push the last half level to 30, spend a bit of time messing with traits and stuff, and then try to find some people to duel for practice.
>>121116317
It's a beta. No real dev is dumb enough to have all content available in it.
Release will have content and people doing more than camping for owpvp.
>>121116317
Not sure about the no content part. Then again, I'm addicted to the grind and could get lost in doing pointless labor for ages. It definitely was very samey/grindy.
I really wish there were an option to just right-click challenge people to duels instead of random chance faction nonsense.
>>121116338
Don't forget about the 5 second iframe during the spinny black sword attack.
Here's the set of group pictures in case you want to pick out one you like:
http://imgur.com/a/zJXD2
>>121116647
thank god I only came by to say goodbye
>>121116471
I didn't follow patches that much after a while but I was kinda hoping for a non wardrobe owpvp system, right now both parties have to "flag" themselves instead of being in a zone where you just flag yourself
>>121108165
DO NOT TRUST RED CAT
>>121116198
>some random reason
You just don't understand.
