Alicesoft/Rance General #461
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Just Released
30th Oct 2015 - Blade Briders OVA (JAP)
Download: http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1853155
Up Coming Releases
29th Jan 2016 - Tsumamigui 3 (JAP)
Jan 2016 - Rance 01 OVA Ep 3 (JAP)
Recent Releases (See FAQ for downloads and info)
August 2015 - Rance 03 (JAP)
June 2015 - Rance 01 OVA Episode 2 (JAP/ENG)
April 2015 - Evenicle (JAP)
January 2015 - Mamatoto (ENG)
December 2014 - Rance 01 OVA Episode 1 (JAP/ENG)
October 2014 - Blade Briders (JAP)
September 2014 - Kichikuou Rance (ENG)
April 2014 - Rance IX (JAP)
Currently getting Translated:
Beat Blades Haruka - 79.1% (expect mid 2016)
On permanent hiatus unless localised by Mangagamer. Late 2016 at the earliest for the next Alicesoft game after Haruka.
Rance 5D - 100% translated,100% edited. Never to be released
Rance VI - 88.4% translated.
Rance Quest - 48% translated
>>120918725
Why is demon king kayblis laughing with a blonde noble girl instead of raping her
Just found a whole bunch of Rance images from /a/ drawfags
http://drawfriends.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=sengoku_rance&pid=0
http://drawfriends.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=shizuka_masou
http://drawfriends.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=rance
>>120919559
Seems like Sen was popular back in the day
>>120919770
Like half of it is Sen
>>120919770
>>120920042
Can't complain about that since she is the best girl
>>120920252
>command seal
What now?
>>120920252
The tags are annoying
Sengoku_Rance is what most are tagged under
but some are under Rance or Rance_Series
And Masou_Shizuka and Masou Shizuka are different tags
>>120919559
I might go through and tag things properly
>>120920831
Doesn't look like it can be done. Need special privileges to tag, probably because of people tagging other peoples waifus
>>120919770
I still like Senhime.
>>120923239
So do I.
I love Sen's design but her personality is so boring.
>>120923345
>>120920401
Rance probably would have a very high independent action rank, which would mean if he didn't like an order you forced on him, you're shit out of luck because he can just go find a different master. Or even wouldn't need one depending on how high it is.
and the way to escape his master would be to kill the master. which is bad.
>>120926012
On the other hand Rance would not kill an attractive girl
>>120926570
Sex change temple fixes all issues.
>>120926012
If he didn't outright rape his female Master, Rance would probably be stupidly easy to control. Just go "I'll have sex with you if you win the Holy Grail" and problem solved.
>>120926570
>rin
>attractive
Come on now
>>120918913
He never raped Medusa, now did he?
For anyone who has ever downloaded Daibanchou, which version did you get? The original Japanese one, plus Aroduc's translation patch or the Fuwanovel version one?
>>120918725
Those shoulderpads though
>>120931329
Original Jap + patch
Never use fuwanovel for anything
>>120931329
I did get it from Fuwanovel, but it was before I knew they were shit.
>>120931667
Hopefully you didn't download any of their personally made translations.
reminder that at least one person on haniho posts screenshots of haniho conversations on fuwanovel
>>120931597
I know, right. But every damn torrent is fuwanovel nowadays. I need a better version of BBA because my current one has a weird graphical glitch.
>>120931989
About Fuwanovel or spooky skeletons?
>>120931989
Can I ask why they are posting haniho conversations?
>>120932879mostly from back in the day when Maria posted updates and people believed them
>>120931989
Not like there's anything of worth here anyway
>>120931667
I've heard Fuwanovel are shit but would anyone feel like giving me the specifics?
>>120932524
>lia route
>hughes heroine
>die translation
>shizuka great
>great person maris
>ramius continent
>oyako best remake
>sill darx
>next loli
>patton sex
>kichikuou /haniho/
>release kamilla
>kanami instead
>forzelotte nope
>find sieg
>>120932524
>/haniho/ playing porn
That's what we do, alright
>>120933580
>kichikuou /haniho/
That's a scary thought
>>120933554
>Take other people's translations and upload them themselves with the original games, their torrents spread everywhere. Basically, people will forget who actually translated them.
>Their own translators are extremely incompetent who can't read, because "I watched enough anime to understand".
>>120932524
>shizuka currently heroine
>>120933554
their downloads are notoriously unreliable, generally due to just providing pre-installed stuff.
Which is always inferior to installing the game yourself.
And they blatantly encourage machine translations but that is a separate matter
>>120933554
MT everything poorly, which isn't saying much I guess because MT is MT.
"their" releases usually other people's works re-uploaded, but out of date, have bugs you'd never find otherwise and generally worse than just finding other versions yourself.
Just for example, Sengoku Rance Fuwanovel has saving problems installing it yourself doesn't have. Fuwanovel also has strange bugs like Rance being susceptible to assassinate type skills.
>>120934610
That isn't a bug. Rance becoming immune to assassinations is something that got removed in a later patch.
>>120933580
>>release kamilla
Most accurate one so far.
>>120934803
Not true. I have the most recent version of Sengoku and have never seen Rance die instantly with assassinate. I hardly believe it can happen.
>>120934803
I think you have that backwards.
>>120935673
I had it backwards >>120935697
Rance becoming immune to assassinations is something that was added in a patch
>>120935005
Describes /haniho/ at least
>>120918725
>You can fuck Rina's sister in C++
I guess she didn't win in Pascha 1 then, otherwise that'd be kind of NTRing the protag from the first game.
>>120940608
>USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST
>>120941513
The pic is great though.
>>120940608
Is that supposed to be demon king Sill?
>>120944935
It's WaSill
>>120944994
Sill will outlive her. Remember Alicesoft's crusade against bisexual women in the Rance series.
Any mirror for Rance 02 translation? Sendmyway doesn't werk.
>>120945106
Considering there are at least dozens of her and they can shapeshift, I think they've got a decent chance. Unless Rance already killed them all.
>>120944994
*Weresill, like a werewolf.
>>120945916
Silly Aru, werewolf means manwolf, like in human. Are you implying Sill isn't human?
>>120945916
"were" or "waru" as in bad/evil?
>>120946557
Considering all the Lycanthrope transformations are Were something, I think we have long past that point.
>>120940608
Evil Sill, Kanami, and Shizuka better come back in X.
>>120946848
It's definitely were-, the lycanthrope monsters turn into her.
>>120945916
In what game was there a werewolf version of Sill? That sounds silly, and I say that knowing that in Toushin Toshi II, there were werebrides and werefirefighters.
>>120951832
03. There's one for Kanami and one for Shizuka too.
>>120951954
Isn't Lycanthropy supposed to be induced by a bite? Why would Sill bite a galmoster? Why isn't Kanami's werewolf a raccoon?
>>120952282
No idea for Sill, but Shizuka has an oral fixation, so it's easy to imagine her biting a galmonster.
http://g.e-hentai.org/s/de0e7671ef/200547-81
>>120952282
The Lycanthrope galmonster can transform into different things. They're not actually anything like a werewolf but their transformed forms are always called were-.
I knew Takeda does a blitz but I never knew tokugawa does one too, much less in the very same turn. 7 attacks is tough to defend
>>120952686
Shizuka looks so small and cute in that CG
>>120958013
Wait, they do?
>>120958995
She and Maria look like 12 years olds.
>>120959112
Right after I stopped Takeda's blitz, Tokugawa suddenly did 3 attacks in a row. No event, it just happened
>>120959138
Explains why Rance likes them so much.
>>120959315
What difficulty?
>>120959138
Pretty big breasts for a 12 year old.
>>120959371
Normal. I'm doing kill the monkey route
>>120958995
Shizuka always looks cute
>>120959315
I'm pretty sure every nation can take multiple actions on harder difficulties. It's only a blitz if there are events.
>>120959426
Maria's breasts are massive in that cg. Like, gigantic. They're never that big anywhere else, are they?
>>120959524
Huh, I don't remember Tokugawa doing that. Maybe the fact that it doesn't have an event is messing with my memories.
>>120959554
Even her topless Ithere apostle Rance 03 fan art?
>>120963117
Of course
hot
>>120971149
Can you fuck Sawatari in C++ too?
>>120971258
Who would want to?
>>120971149
Does Pascha have a sizable female fanbase or something? I get that that's a joke, but there's nothing funny about Kurasawa in his underwear.
>>120973414
>there's nothing funny about Kurasawa in his underwear.
There is when he's standing next to an equally naked old man and a middle aged muscle freak.
>>120973414
No idea. I remember the let's plays on Nico for Pastel Chime games that I've checked were done by women, at least.
>>120971149
>Not Hughes
0/10
Why would anyone fantasize about Sawatari fucking a guy when girls think he's a creep in-universe?
>>120973414
Aren't there similar shirtless cgs of the guys in Bind Seeker? Considering it got a PSP release it's not too surprising. It's a lot less male-oriented than Rance, at least.
>>120969689
Why does Maria have cat ears there?
>>120976659
Halloween, probably.
>>120978936
>Not dressing up as spare Rance
Missed opportunity if you ask me
>>120981991
>>120984565
She's covering the dick in her mouth.
>>120984565
imma need the link to the translated webcam video
>>120986079
See the previous thread
>>120986161
thanks you based anon
I also found the pics on sadpanda
>>120984565
>>120940608
We need were-kanami bullying Kanami.
>>120984565
She actually looks pretty damn impressive and even competent here. End game boss! Kanami! The demon king!
>>120986703
That's kind of the point. The galmonster versions are supposed to be their opposites.
>>120986703
The last boss of the first game and the last boss of the last game. It is fitting.
I can see her giving demon king kayblis the last strike (as she tended to do in Rance 03) and getting sprayed by Demon King blood.
>>120987795
So, Demon King Kanami is going to be Avel?
>>120988290
Yes. And she'll kidnap Rance which will start a war with Leazas, Zeth, Helman and everyone else
>>120986703
B-but... a competent Kanami isn't cute...
>>120971149
Is that the only time in the game we get a clear look on Nagihara's face?
>>120989894
Pretty sure it appeared when he kissed Saika. The shadow over the face he clearly has in his portrait is pretty dumb, if he's going to have a face then just show it.
Apparently Alicesoft reserved half the tables.
>>120991960
All that Daibanchou
>>120992173
And still hated by everyone.
>>120986892
What are Sill and Shizuka like?
>>120992592
Dead.
>>120991960
Pascha takes place in the future where all other eroge companies have gone bankrupt and Alicesoft only manages to stay afloat by constantly remaking Escalayer and the Dai games.
>>120992784
If you explore enough, you'll find a man in the corner of the world hugging a Hazuki figure and traumatized due to having to translate all of the constant Escalayer remakes
>>120989894
The opening shows his face. We get plenty of clear looks at it throughout the game. The fact that they put a shadow over his still very visible face is completely stupid.
>>120990103
>if he's going to have a face then just show it.
Agreed. They do it in Yoru ga Kuru too. It's not like I'm going to project myself on him anymore if his face is a little bit harder to see.
That's also how I feel about partially voicing the protagonist. If you're going to give him a voice, why not give it to them for the whole game?
>>120992784
What about remaking Rance games?
>>120991960
sasuga Alicesoft
>>120991960
I see Rizna and 5D
>>120993398
>Rent out the entire convention
>Only promote your biggest series with a single poster for the shittiest game in it
Typical Alicesoft.
>>120991960
Daibanchou remake with Yuuki and Marishia as heroines?
>>120992716
The opposite of their personalities is being dead?
But Sill's already so bland she basically already is dead.
*ba-dum-ting*
>>120989894
No.
Surprised that there wasn't some Rance VI posters but I guess Pastel Chime was well into development by the time Rance VI was released.
>>120993081
Pastel Chime is set in an alternate reality where 5D was a massive hit but VI bombed and killed the series
>>120984565
Dat serious Kanami
>>120986703
Do you have the rest of these in hi-resolution like that?
>>120997829
Considering 5D is just a tiny poster off in the back, I think it's more like the Rance games are some of their more niche and lesser known titles.
>>120999987
It's with all the other translated Rance 03 scenes
We just choose to only release the Kanami related stuff
The good thing about only getting voices in Rance 03 is that if a VA dies I won't really care
>>120991960
I reckon Pastel Chime is something that could do well for MG.
It's also got an All Ages version so could be released on steam and the Rina harem anime cliches are popular with the weab steam crowd.
Alicesoft may have forgotten Io but America has not
>>121012338
But anon, Io is a Helman spy in the threads
>>121011776
Yup. Pascha is probably Alicesoft's most generic series, but that gives it the kind of appeal that it needs to work in the west.
>>121011776
Probably, if only thanks to the all ages version. Still wouldn't pick it over a number of other things, though. It's fun but nothing about it really stands out as that great. Except the music, I guess.
Is this a glitch or is she suddenly alright after exploding
>>121012907
KTM was hacked together for a patch.
>>121012907
They tell you at the start that Kill the Monkey will lead to story inconsistencies. It's a little lame that they didn't tweak it a bit to work more. I guess inserting Nobunaga into every scene would be a hassle.
>>121013128
I assumed with kurohime talking about xavier like he actualy showed up despite all that happened was a monkey dying.
>>121013221
Tokichirou is the one who broke the first gourd. Without him, Xavier remains sealed and his other apostles dormant. Except Gigai if you get Souun because they were too lazy to come up with any other way of getting him. I wonder where he goes after he makes Ran explode when there's no Xavier to serve.
>>121012684
I wouldn't pick it over others either but steam does provide a much bigger market
>>121012907
Yoshihisa is so cool that girls come back from the dead just to swoon over him.
>>121013457
I was actually just about to ask where Gigai went, kinda wanted to see souun fight him
>>121012684
What are your top three choices, thinking realistically?
>>121013457
You'd think he'd just nuke every settlement in JAPAN to break all the gourds really quickly. Maybe being a fag somehow reduces the Demon's hold over the Apostle.
Actually, what is he getting up to in Quest now that his master's gone for good?
>>121013786
Evenicle and Rance IX are the things I really want to work on, personally. After that I don't know, I'm interested in the idea of attempting to fix Daiteikoku to some extent and releasing that.
>>121014008
>I'm interested in the idea of attempting to fix Daiteikoku to some extent
What do you have in mind?
>>121013962
Gigai never really seemed to care much about serving Xavier anyway. He just likes to fight shit.
>>121014008
>fix Daiteikoku
Redoing the game from scratch is probably beyond what SLC can do
>>121014008
And Rance VI of course, but yeah.
>>121014097
There are so many things.
https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/3p4k53/since_somehow_no_one_has_done_it_before_lets_talk/cw48cvg
I talk about a bunch of problems here, some of which would be easy to fix while some like pacing would be more of a challenge. I'd even go so far as adding some story content just to make the ending more cohesive (and probably to create some sort of time limit for the sake of having actual challenge).
>>121013128
Chinu keeps talking like she is going to die as well. Also she looks like she would be short but the cg makes it seem like she is just about as tall as rance. But then again it also looked like they messed up on rance's proportions
>>121014245
>not just putting the assets into Sengoku Rance or even Daibanchou
>>121014583
Nobody wants anything Daibanchou.
>>120952686
Why wouldn't you just post it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_9WOrhurNQ
What is this?
>>121018580
It's just some fan game. It doesn't even have H-scenes.
>>121018580
>No Rance rape
Pass
>>121018580
>no Kanami
>no Shizuka
>no Feliss
>no Io
>no Kamilla
>no Blue Sill
>no Sheila
>no Arms
>no Lia
>no Maris
>no Kay-chan
>no Rick
why bother?
>>121018580
>Missing all the best girls
>No rape
Haha, No.
>>120919559
>>121018580
You know, I have a copy of RPG Maker lying around. What would you all want to see in a shitty Rance RPG Maker game?
>>121021293
I suppose we can start off the deep end and have Kanami be the antagonist. What do we do with our current Demon King couple?
>>121021834
Kanami Kidnapped Kentarou, Killed Miki.
>>121023081
Why would anyone but Miki care if Kentarou's missing?
>>121021834
Start it before Rance 01
Kanami some how fucks up and finds herself in Gi's castle when he summoned Miki. He turns Kanami into the Demon King before releasing he fucked up.
>>121023164
Kanami kidnaps Kentarou to make Miki follow her so Rance and co can catch Miki and give her lemons.
Kanami trips over the grass and accidentally stabs Miki in the neck (after Chaos broke the IF).
>>121023181
realizing*
>>120991960
Apparently the answer to the eternal question of Kunagi or Senna is in fact Sanae.
>>120991960
Is that Motoko?
>>120999987
I used Waifu2X two times to make it larger. You can use it yourself for other pictures too.
>>121012338
Is that Russia hacking the US?
>>121014518
Chinu's dialogue makes it pretty clear that she's the only seal who's conscious of there being an Apostle inside of her, so it's not actually weird for her to say that.
>>121021195
I've seen one on Nico that's basically all of the male characters fighting a bunch of random boss battles.
>>121037921
Unless you can draw porn, you can't really do a Rance game. Unless it's just a game set in The Continent, but then it wouldn't be a Rance game.
>>121038016
You could just make all of the sex happen offscreen. You could easily make a game that's built around some job Rance is doing for Keith.
>>121038212
Alicesoft already made that and it's called Vanilla Rance Quest
Did SLC die
>>121038293
But the sex is not off-screen, at least not all of it.
>>121038617
He's part of the Man now too.
Currently, he's defeating the enemy known as Haruka's coding.
Galzoo Island looks really cute.
>>121040389
Leo looks so eager to fuck Maid-san
>>121039254
>Teru impregnation is offscreen
What's the point
>>121055105
>no Sengoku Sill
Am I fucking anything up with my inventory?
>>121058568
No rooom reserved for 6x6 items
>>121058568
Just wing it.
>>121058568
Quite fucked up. This is holl I organize mine.
>>121059562
What do you keep all this milk for?
>>121059630
I didn't feel like using them most of the time, though after floor 120 or something enemies started getting thougher, so I started using them up.
>>121059562
>holl
how
What the fuck, brain.
>>121055105
Kichikuou Sill looks so mature compared to the others.
Shit all of my Continue save data is straight up gone.
>>121064331
Looks like you can't continue then.
>>121064451
This is no laughing matter. I was just about to bring Hughes to rank 5.
>>121014471
Do you have experience with programming like that? Seems like those changes would take some effort.
>>121064639
Hughes must really hate you
>>121065154
It's not like I'd be the sole person working on it.
>>121065372
Ha-Ha-Haaaa-haha! Ha-Ha-Haaaa-haha!
>>121065762
Guess I didn't know MG did stuff like that with their releases.
>>121065372
Maybe. Wouldn't be the first time he tricked me into thinking he wanted to hang out.
>>121066176
MG hasn't really released a lot of actual games with which to do that. But this'd be pretty drastic and it'll depend on what Alicesoft's okay with.
Hello
Damn Atlach=Nacha is hard to read.
>>121076387
So is hanahira
>>121076387
>>121017941
Because it takes less time for me to find it on sadpanda and post the url than to open ALDExplorer 2 and go find it, copy it, save it, upload it.
>>121038617
If so, it's recent considering her released ALDExplorer 2 this year.
>>121050712
Maybe they didn't want to show Mouri's ghost watching his daughter forcefully get herself pregnant.
>>121055105
Does Rance still have Sill wear aphrodisiac lased clothes that get her horny on command in Rance 03?
>>121088615
I hope that's been retconned. It's a little pathetic if Rance can't already do that to Sill on his own.
>>121089540
In the original Rance I, I believe that Rance didn't manage to turn on Sill at all during the entire game. She did it because it was what Rance wanted.
>>121064331
How does that happen?
>>121095556
Please don't
>>121096260
Stop
>>121095556
hate you
Decided to check the Pastel Chime Continue script size. Surprisingly big.
Daiteikoku: 3.5MB
Rance Quest + Magnum: 3MB
Evenicle: 2.9MB
Pastel Chime Continue: 2.8MB
Beat Blades Haruka: 2.7MB
Toushin Toshi III: 2.6MB
Rance IX: 2.3MB
Sengoku Rance: 1.9MB
Rance VI: 1.8MB
Rance 03: 1.6MB
Rance 01: 1.6MB
Galzoo Island: 1.5MB
Blade Briders: 1.2MB
I'd guess most of that is the relationship events.
>>121099967
That's pretty big. I thought SR's script was bigger, but I guess the game just feels long because of the gameplay.
>>121099967
That's pretty big considering when it was released.
It was their biggest game to date.
Also surprised Evenicle was actually that big. I guess the way the EXP worked meant there was no grinding so it didn't feel particularly long. Plus there wasn't really any bloat, most the scenes were pretty relevant.
>>121095556
The reason I've never touched Dungeons and Dolls.
>>121101591
It's the best game Ludo translated though
>>121105526
That's just proof that he was a false messiah.
>>121107591
He sort of brought the English fan community together, at least. Sort of.
>>121055105
Das pretty cute
>>121063397
Yeah. Pink Cattle looks the best.
>>121063397
Yeah. She makes a good steak
>>121099967
How much of that 2.7MB for Haruka is porn?
>>121110116
Around 2/3rds or so.
>>121110375
So in terms of text Rance VI is about as big as the porn in Haruka
>>121095556
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
>>121055105
Sill's 03 design is really cute. It managed to push her from "meh" to "pretty good" in my book.
She's an awful party member though. She doesn't even have the usual huge cap to help her.
>>121111567
>She's an awful party member
Her stat growths make her tankier than most of the other mage type characters. I agree that losing the cap advantage over Shizuka pretty much kills any reason to use her though.
>>121111867
It's more that the battle system with the skill slots makes her redundant.
She's not as good an offensive mage as Shizuka and she's not as good a healer as Sel.
Rance 03 is not a game where 'allrounders' shine
She's still in meh territory for me though. Her voice was irritating as well.
>>121112390
That's her problem in VI too, but at least there she has a huge cap that pretty much allows her to make up for the statistical difference she has with the other two.
>>121112390
>Rance 03 is not a game where 'allrounders' shine
What is Maris.
>>121112619
VI is also built on a system where you want to run through a full group of 16 party members anyway, so she doesn't have to be the best healer to still be important.
>>121112619
Rance VI makes you rotate your characters a lot.
That said the exp items that kyankyans drop in the end game make it easy to keep her leveled.
>>121112758
A late game character who joins when you have 8 slots
>>121113210
>A late game character who joins when you have 8 slots
She's still an all-rounder character that's really good. You'd have no reason to use Kanami or Sill if you got her earlier, and I wager most people had Kanami on their team the entire game up until invading Leazas.
>>121113464
Only because Kanami has a normal attack that can be used every turn
>>121112619
She's still completely outdone by Alex, who is better at all of the things that give her an edge over other mages. It's a shame he, Rick, Gandhi and Urza don't stick around in the post game.
>>121113464
That's because Maris is really good at what she does.
Kanami is good to keep on her early because her normal attack is a different type to other normal attacks and because it's good to have someone who can remove defensive buffs every turn by attacking before your damage dealers attack
>>121113595
Which Maris can also do. I'm trying to say that, even with her somewhat small (still bigger than way more characters than it should be) amount of time on the party Maris is really good and the counterargument of it only being because you have enough party slots to put her in without sacrificing anything is disproven by the fact that she'd still be really good even with fewer skill slots since she has high stats and a normal attack.
>>121099967
Boy, you really do hate Daibanchou.
>>121113894
I know, Malice took Kanami's spot once I got her. Maybe I should have quoted
> I wager most people had Kanami on their team the entire game up until invading Leazas.
>>121113949
He wishes its script size were bigger. Since he began translating Haruka, only games with massive scripts made up mostly of dog fucking will satisfy him. Were his plans to edit Daiteikoku to ever come off the ground, he'd add a Shibagami route.
>>121114102
Are you confused? Yes, you are confused.
>>121114068
I'm just saying that Maris is an all-rounder who is also really good regardless of when you get her. It's only Sill who sucks.
>>121113949
The thing about Daibanchou's script is that there's an immense number of repeated scenes (mostly H-scenes) all over the place, so it's hard to actually measure. It's 4MB just taken like that.
