This guy didn't deserve half of the shit he got in Kingdom Hearts 2
>>334855189
You think that is bad? see 382/2 days, even more tragic with certain revelation from Dream drop distance.
A literal nobody.
Fuck off Roxas.
>>334855189
Anybody else find it sad as fuck when he chose to fight Sora for control?
The entire time he had been in Sora (no homo) aware of everything happening and going on. Literally everything. He had to sit and watch a weak as fuck (and only using one keyblade like a scrub) Sora fuck EVERYTHING up he got involved in.
And then to top it off, his last fuck up and for being so fucking weak is getting his only friend, his number 1 nigga killed because again Sora is weak as fuck and cant fight a few fucking heartless.
So what does our number 1 man Roxas do? He waits until Sora has some space for a fair fight, and engages that nigga 1 on 1.
And he would have fucking won too, if he was just a little bit more aggressive and just killed the little shit when he had the chance.
Holy fuck I hate Sora so much after 2. Roxas should have taken over after that fight, its not even up for debate that he is stronger.
I mean think about it, after Roxas accepts Sora and says "you're a good other" or whatever, and actually merges with him fully, do you remember the fucking insane power boost Sora gets? Fucking cutting through buildings and all that fancy bullshit when he showed literally ZERO of that power before?
Nigga fuck Sora. Single keyblade using gayboy.
>>334855718
Sora himself tells Roxas that he deserves to be his own person, that the "i am you, you are me" is bullshit.
>>334855189
>all Nobodies looks like the humans they once were
>Roxas don't
That's fucking bullshit. I know, he is Sora's Nobody but he has got the body of Ventus but this wasn't a thing at th time when KHII was released. And how's he got Ventus body when Ventus was in the coma all this time in the Castle Oblivion?
>>334856286
Ventus heart is on Sora, they could say that he was actually Ventus's nobody in appearence.
>>334855718
Roxas and Sora were equally power, Roxas held half of Sora's power.
>>334855189
ok. who is he?
He's more relatable than Sora desu
>>334856704
some nobody
>>334856648
>Roxas and Sora were equally power,
are you fucking retarded?
>>334856717
Maybe if you're 13
>>334855718
You seem to overrate double wielding a lot.
Look at Terra and all the crazy shit he can do with one Keyblade (The fight against the lingering will is the best example)
I'm okay with what you said tho
>>334856887
It was mostly a joke, but its still a clear show of power, if even just a little bit.
>>334855718
This will be a good pasta.
>>334855718
Axel/Lea comes back
Roxas is an honorable guy
Roxas understood he had to make the sacrifice to join Sora in order for Sora to wake up and stop Kingdom Hearts since as long as he lived, Riku would always hunt him down
Sora always had the power to cut through buildings
Nomura said Sora can passively use 2 Keyblades but just chooses not to. You can see him use two against Xemnas.
Using only 1 Keyblade suits Sora's fighting style more. Roxas is all aggression and blasting through people with brute force damage, Sora is a more balanced mix.
>>334856784
It's true, Roxas held half of what Sora was. That's why he got that power boost when they fully reformed, that's Sora's full power naturally when he isn't sliced in half.
>>334855718
Who cares? DDD pretty much confirmed that Roxas is coming back as his own person in 3
LOOKS LIKE MY SUMMER VACATION IS...OVER
>>334855189
Can someone explain this Nobody thing again? I fucking forgot about the bulk of what KH2 is about.
>>334855718
Doesn't the fact that Roxas didn't fully merge with Sora until after the fight kinda justify why Sora was weak? Didn't they explain this? It's been a while since I played so I don't know for sure, but I do remember he essentially had to start from scratch. Don't really know what you were expecting
All this talk and praise over Roxas sometimes makes me forget that he's voiced by Jesse McCartney
>>334857775
>Doesn't the fact that Roxas didn't fully merge with Sora until after the fight kinda justify why Sora was weak? Didn't they explain this?
Not really m8. If Sora having a nobody made him weaker, he would have struggled like fuck at the end of KH1 and Chain of Memories.
People who say having a nobody makes you weaker are actually retarded and can't read.
>>334857645
>Can someone explain this Nobody thing again?
No one can, anon.
The story became a mind bending clusterfuck.
>>334857890
M8 it was established at the very beginning of KH2 that Roxas held half of Sora's power
>>334857890
Fair enough, though the unnecessary insult is unnecessary
>>334858009
How was it established?
Not saying you're wrong m7+1, its just been a while since I played.
>>334858061
was not insulting you m8
>>334857645
A Nobody is the left over body and soul after a person becomes a Heartless, and this is really only if they were strong enough to leave one behind. It tends to throw people off because the names kind of describe the opposite of what the creature/person is.
>>334857997
It's not that hard.
>>334858083
DiZ mentions it during the tutorial and then insults Roxas about it. I think Riku and Xion tell Roxas that in Days too.
>>334858315
I honestly don't remember any of that.
Would you mind finding a quote or something for me? I don't mistrust you, but I would just like to see it. I've done a quick google and only find forum posts.
>>334857413
Sorry sir, I'm gonna have to ask you to slow down, it is illegal to drive around here without the so called "memearrows", here I'll give you some, you'll need them plenty
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Make sure it won't happen again mkay
>>334858492
https://youtu.be/HRTw-QgLZjc
Days sucked so I'm not going to look for any extra confirmation, I know DiZ is/was a dick but regardless Sora needed Roxas to wake up.
>>334858820
>to half of Sora, of course
absolutely not an implication of half of his power m8, its just a round about way of calling him a Nobody.
Is that it? The only quote that makes you think he has half of Soras power, despite Sora being fine fighting the KH1 final enemies?
Come on, son.
>>334855718
>Roxas is stronger
Roxas is literally Sora though, the only reason those 2 are different is because he joined hearts with Ven(no homo) and that kind of complicated things.
Roxas has no business walking about by himself, Sora has no business being a heartless, shits just not right.
Plus Roxas lost his best friend cause Sora was weak? Sora got defeated once(by an ambush) then proceeded to kill maleficent,behemoth,chernabog and ansem.
Roxas has no business existing in the first place, deal with it.
>>334859884
>because he joined hearts with Ven(no homo) and that kind of complicated things.
Thus making him stronger.
I do kind of agree with you that he should not just be walking around anyway, but he is, and he is stronger. So no, you deal with it faggit.
>>334855189
what are you talking about, I as the player, didn't deserve all that shit in Kingdom Hearts 2
>>334857645
Nobodies are bodies
Heartless are hearts
Most bad guys are Xehanort
Most good guys are Sora
Now you know everything about Kingdom Hearts.
>>334858315
That's interesting.
All my memories tell me is that Roxas and Sora had to be reunited because Roxas had some of Sora's memories inside of him, making it impossible for Sora to wake from his slumber.
Didn't remember anything about strength
>>334855362
What revelation
>>334861001
When in the right environment/circumstances, Nobodies can grow replacement hearts. Xemnas lied to the original Organization members to keep them vacant so that it would be easier for Xehanort to put a piece of his heart/himself into them and have his 13 Seekers of Darkness.
>>334859329
>>334860919
https://youtu.be/dTU_LJTl_Pg
1 hour and 29 minutes in DiZ says it directly, I dunno why you needed clarification, thought it was pretty obvious.
>>334855189
>>334855718
Guys, I think we've been over this a million times, Roxas shoudnt even exist, he is Sora's body and soul merged with Ventus' heart (we have that kind of confirmed, I mean its pretty obvious).
He doesnt have his OWN soul, his heart, he is literally no one at all, he is a combination of some sorts of Sora and Ventus.
Roxas as we know, is just SoraxVentus and nothing else.
Same with Xion which we cant remember
>XD epic meme
She is like an AI of some sort, a clone of Sora, no soul, no heart of her own. she is basicly AI and Magic and shit.
I'm going to be so pissed off when Nomura decides that Roxas and Xion comeback due to some 2deep Kingdom Hearts superior conscience giving birth to their own person which is ridiculous as first because once again, they never EXISTED as an individual in the first place.
>>334861695
What, Roxas is Sora's body with Ventus's heart dormant in him, not his soul and Xion is a replica that absorbs Sora's memories, I don't see the AI comparison.
>>334861695
>He doesnt have his OWN soul, his heart, he is literally no one at all, he is a combination of some sorts of Sora and Ventus.
>I'm going to be so pissed off when Nomura decides that Roxas and Xion comeback due to some 2deep Kingdom Hearts superior conscience giving birth to their own person which is ridiculous as first because once again, they never EXISTED as an individual in the first place.
Did you play Dream Drop Distance?
>>334860289
>Thus making him stronger.
Sora has magic clothes, which allowed him to enter limit form by himself, that puts them on equal terms considering how good limit is.
>I do kind of agree with you that he should not just be walking around anyway, but he is, and he is stronger. So no, you deal with it faggit.
Roxas isn`t walking around, someone who supposedly played KH2 should know that, Sora is stronger which is why he won.
>>334857819
Who would have thought he'd be a good voice actor?
>>334861442
Fair play m8
Still, he used that half of the power way better. He was stronger, even at the same power. Thats how baller my main man Roxas is.
>>334861940
>Sora is stronger which is why he won.
What? Nigga did you see them both fight?
He only won because of trickery. Trickery aint strength m8. Come on.
Why do I feel like I've seen this exact thread before?
>>334861985
I don't really agree, maybe brute force wise yeah but I wouldn't really call going on a suicide mission because of angst a good idea.
>>334862118
You've been on /v/ too long
>>334862191
m8
TWO keyblades
and had Sora literally on his knees about to get that BRC (Big Roxas Cock) until he did some jewish trickery to get his weapon back
>>334861893
I did back when it released, what may I be overlooking/forgetting? That they grow new hearts? What about it? As I said, they didnt have them when we first met the characters, a heart with its own memories, is sure to make someone different right?
I mean this kind of falls in a phisolophical matter, if a ship had all its original parts replaced, is it still the same ship? I feel that way with Roxas and Xion.
Giving them a new heart or soul means they are totally different person, like if someone irl changed personality or soul if you're into that stuff.
>>334861857
Roxas is Sora's heart and soul, Xion is just a clone but she needs to think, make deciosions, learn etc right? I can compare that to a magical robot AI kind of thing, no?
>>334862445
I mean to say Sora's BODY and SOUL and Ventus' heart.
>>334862090
>Getting your weapon back is trickery
No its not, a keyblade wielder should know you can`t keep someone from their keyblade, and i consider idiocy weakness so...
>>334858630
What the fuck are you doing anon
>>334862445
Oh I just meant that you were gonna be upset about them becoming their own persons because that's exactly what they set up in 3D.
>>334862749
>and i consider idiocy weakness so...
Listen here my fellow porch lord. You are not understanding the fucking science and maths of this. Let me break it down for you.
TWO keyblades
100% EXTRA keyblade
DOUBLE the key
TWICE the blade
L I T E R A L L Y
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K E Y B L A D E S
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MY MAN, COME ON NOW.
>>334862975
TWO?!
>>334863067
L I T E R AL L Y
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DEFENSE IS FOR FAGGOTS
>>334862893
Yup, im pretty rustled about it, Nomura tries to make all games look edgy (specially the endings) and with so much drama so that in the end everything ends with rainbows and shit :^)
Why cant Xion rest in piece? Let her sacrifice be worth something, let Roxas die too, Lea too, these characters played their role already, Nomura please... get your shit together.
>>334862975
>>334863164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2e7bX2oVlQ
>>334857324
He'll probably get a third key blade too because why the fuck not.
>>334863426
They're old enough to know better.
>>334862975
Lingering will has one and yet is stronger then anyone else in KH2.
Your math is shit and doesn`t work.
>>334863426
>Not the final mix version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Kifn5nvXU
>>334862975
>>334863067
>>334863164
>>334862975
TWO?
>>334863796
Holy shit, The other promise really makes this look much more awesome/autistic.
Love it.
>>334861169
Isn't some of the premise of the game weird, as Nobodies can't feel anything, but its 100% clear that a lot of them do feel something. You can,t have wonky personalities like half of Organization 13 has without a heart, or a growing heart.
>>334865168
They explain in KH2/Days that a lot of them were relying on memories of their humans lives in order to emote/feign emotions. Playing through the games it's clear that some of them were feeling legit emotions. And if I'm remembering correctly Xemnas saying something about memories being the spark of an emotion/being the building blocks of a heart.
I havent finished DDD yet, but is Roxas still stuck inside Sora's?
That must be the worst.
>>334865910
Yes, alongside Ventus' heart (presumbly) and Xion.
>>334865910
Along with Ven, Xion, and somehow DiZ
>>334865910
>>334865989
>>334865970
He says he hasnt finished and you guys go on spoiling.
Dont come to /v/ for advice/questions when playing a game, it will most likely be spoiled hard.
>>334861695
>I'm going to be so pissed off when Nomura decides that Roxas and Xion comeback due to some 2deep Kingdom Hearts superior conscience giving birth to their own person which is ridiculous as first because once again, they never EXISTED as an individual in the first place.
Isn't that the point of KH3D?
>Rucksacks, you deserve your own identity
>That's why it has to be you, Sora
>[groans of increasing discomfort]
>>334863426
>>334863796
>>334864012
>Not using the superior version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYqFJxVuBc
>>334866578
>[groans of increasing discomfort]
I'm surprised this has made it out of the Fire Emblem threads.
>>334866578
Oh yeah I know, I'm pretty pissed about it, see this: >>334863307
>>334866578
Goddammit, you reminded me why I hated 3D more than I hate 2
>>334856286
>All nobodies are supposed to look like the humans they once were
>Namine looks very different from Kairi
checkmate atheists
>>334867150
>>334867348
>>334863307
Reading your posts, it sounds like "Thirteen Xehanorts" is more acceptable than "Deserve your own identities" to you guys
>>334857819
>>334861980
IKR
I couldn't stand his shitty boy-band music but man he surprised me with his performance as Roxas
He's cool in my book
>>334868273
the only acceptable thing that came out from DDD was that atleast Nomura gave a shit about Riku for onceeven wth alll that "buffed by Sora" bs
>>334865393
Xenmas and Xehanort look like they were both doing their own stupid ass plans without being aware of eachother. Then in DDD we have the original big bad, who'se true master plan (which almost failed) is to seed himself in 13 people (some being himself) to make his 13 warriors of the dark.
>>334861940
But Roxas is voiced by Jesse McCartney so he automatically wins
>>334861001
Nobodies can naturally grown hearts, which means that when Roxas had to kill....someone i can't remember...his feelings were REAL.
>>334869074
Anon, I'm confused, what did that have to do with what I said?
>>334862749
Roxas let Sora win purposefully you retard
Of course he fucking knew that you can't keep somebody's keyblade away from them
>>334869189
>someone i can't remember
Don't fuck with me like this anon, that hurts too much
>>334869216
I don't know, I'm very confused right now, Sorry Anon
>>334868607
Riku was legitimately the best part of the game. Everything else (especially the time travel introduction) is nothing but shit.
>doing all the side stuff for the first time
>haha this is fun
>data battles
>And if he's a weapon, then I suppose that makes you a tool at best.
Man fuck Ansem the wise. Even if he was right in the end, fuck him.
>>334869290
Xion a shit
Is this a Stand?
>>334869516
Who?
Why is Sora blond?
>>334869530
Technically the "body"should be the Stand
>>334869467
He realized his wrongs to Roxas before being blasted off aagaaain. But still a selfish dick, even to Namine who was helping him all that time.
>>334869078
I didn't know this.
>>334869407
I mean you weren't wrong, but you pretty much learn Xehanort has something to do with Xemnas as soon as you finished the end of Birth By Sleep. But up until that point it does look like they're two different things. Dream Drop Distance pretty much confirmed that Xemnas' machinations for the most part were another plan of his to reach KH. Though, I like a lot of people, believe that Xemnas has his own plans.
>>334869648
KH has a lot of celebrity VAs.
>TWEWY CHARACTERS IN DDD
>It's literally just the main four, no villains, no noise, and a barely touched Traverse town
I-I'm ok with this.
>>334869710
Did you just come from /khg/?
>>334869710
DDD fucked everything up in so many departments it's not funny anymore
This should have been the final boss to kingdom hearts
its literally satan. how "heartless" or dark can you get than the price of darkness??
>>334866585
>that editing
>those sound effects
my sides
>>334869834
> how "heartless" or dark can you get than the price of darkness??
An albino Cuban with a stand with an obsession over submission, obviously.
>>334869690
I've only played KH and KH2. I refused, when I was younger, to follow a franchise which needed me to buy 3-4 consoles to experience (and thats without KH3 coming out eventually). I just recently for KH 1.5 and KH 2.5 and I'm trying to make sense of everything.
>>334863586
>he holds the keyblade with his mouth
Th-Three?!
>>334870078
Oh, okay. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
>>334870163
It would probably be telekinetically.
>>334869690
I knew Billy Zane, Nimoy, that kid from 7th Heaven, Fucking went from seeing dead people to fatass, Christopher Lee etc.
Just not Jesse.
>>334869820
What, no it didn't.
>>334870426
Hayden Panetierre is Kairi
Alyson Stoner and Brittany Snow voiced NamineLance Bass of N-Syncvoiced Sephiroth in the First Game
>>334869710
>You don't get to team up with Neku or Beat
I never felt so disappointed in my life.
>>334870263
It probably would be telekinetic. I really they have some form of that ability old ass Xehanort used when he was in the graveyard.
Just imagine repelling off 1000 keyblades
>>334870426
Just a quick list:
Billy Zane
Leonard Nimoy
David Gallagher
Mark Hamill (Luke Fucking Skywalker)
Haley Joel Osment
Christopher Lee
Lance Bass (literally just that one time)
David Borenaz
Mandy Moore
Mae Whitman
Ming-na Wen (as far I know she's always down to reprise Mulan)
Hayden Panatiere
Ariel Winter (she's on Modern Family)
And a lot more people. If there's one thing you can count on, it's Disney to supply that sweet sweet dosh to pay for VAs. Though some of them did suck ass.
>>334870606
Just like /v/ has a hateboner for 358/2 I have a hateboner for DDD, worst fucking $60 ever spend
>>334855718
Sora's not actually weak. The manga may make it seem that way but the game and novel make it clear he's stronger than most of the Org members.
>>334870761
Well, I said telekinetically since you already see Sora hold a "third" keyblade that way. And then you of course see TAV do the same thing with just their ones.
>>334870263
I'm currently trying to finish 2.5 at 100% so it,'s hard. I bet a lot of my questions will be answered when I play Birth By Sleep and then watch 356/2 days
I can be patient, so far things make just enough sense.
>>334870931
A lot of it does get answered in BbS though it does raise some questions. As much as I'm neutral on 3D, it's really the game that's been messing people up.
>>334861695
>he doesn't have his own soul
I never got this. What the fuck IS a heart?
Roxas and all the other orgXIII members still display all the emotions that regular people display, they all feel like normal people feel.
How are they not the same as you and me?
>>334871037
I don't know how they fucked up everything when BBS left 90% of the shit solved just ready for 3
>>334857108
>If Sora would've formed with him any sooner, he would've been strong enough to turn Organization XIII into walking fleshlights.
yeesh
>>334871037
Because it messed with pre-established cannon? Or because it makes less sense.
>>334871271
BBS just made the story even more retarded and it's literally the worst game in the series
>>334871062
The heart is what a soul would be in other media. The soul is pretty much the lifeforce of the body, it's what keeps it alive. Without it, this isgoing by the reports and Nomura's interviews ignoring that sketchy one, how you would achieve true death in Kingdom Hearts as a serious.
>>334871375
More because it makes less sense. It's mainly the time travel that's getting people and the Nobody's have the potential to grow replacement hearts thing.
>>334871435
That's DDD anon, THEY GAVE AXEL A FUCKING KEYBLADE BECAUSE SO.
>>334871062
>>334871489
Oh, my bad, I forgot to answer the second half of you question. 1. The Nobodies of the Organization are said in Days and KH2 to be relying on memories of their human lives to feign emotions. 2. Roxas technically had a heart the whole time, it was Ventus' heart.
So can a nobody and the original person exist? If not then the nobody should give up their existence for the original host
>>334871545
Wasn't that supposed to be one of those omfgwtfbbq moments?
>>334871489
series*
>kairi is a princess but also gets a keyblade
explain that one khfags
you cannot
>>334871545
They gave Kairi a keyblade in 2 too that's nothing
>>334871745
Yes. I understand why the did it narratively, but it was still stupid as fuck.
I don't understand why people act like KH makes no sense. It must be a meme or some shit.
Maybe people are just borderline retards.
>>334871837
There was nothing to say that she couldn't have one.
>>334871745
At first it was, but once youy give a clear thought is pantsu on the head retarded.
>>334871962
those persons doesn't know Blazblue's plot.
>>334871962
fuck off nomura
The prologue with Roxas was the only good thing about kh2.
>>334871962
I've found that it usually comes down to 2 things:
1. They only played KH1 and KH2.
2. They don't read the reports.
Don't get me wrong some of the stuff does come from Nomura's inteviews/the Ultimania though.
>>334871845
>>334871837
>implying that's nearly as stupid as Axel getting one just because he's a GOOD GUY who fights for his friends
They already explained how Kairi got hers in BBS, not that most in this thread paid any attention.
Axel's chakrams were already great and yet they decided to give him an ugly fag keyblade. Way to go Nomura. The only reason he was even revived was out of popularity amongst staff members, check the interviews.
>>334870775
>Though some of them did suck ass
I think it's because the VA directors barely put any effort in putting the voice acting in quality
>>334872149
Oh, is it time to post this?
>>334872189
Technically he got saved from biting it earlier than what he did in KH2, TWICE.
>>334872159
But I mean simple shit that is gets a specific explanation in a mainline game, like the nobodies.
I feel like people just WANT to hate and not understand KH
>>334870775
Billy Zane literally the best voice in the entire series so far
Did they ever explain how the final boss of KH1 was actually a manufactured heartless? after all, he had the little heartless icon on him
>>334872284
Ehh, I don't know, a lot of people sounded perfectly fine to me in KH2, and then you got Mena Suvari as Aerith. I just wonder if they're gonna get Mandy Moore to come back as her since presumably she'd be in KH3 as Rapunzel.
>>334872341
Oh that's part of it too.
>>334872189
You're clearly autistic over your husbando but it's no crazier than anything else in the series.
>>334872310
Hoever did that image it sure know how /v/ discusses KH, kudos.
>>334872524
>KH2
Ah, here's the problem; or rather, the lack of it. KH2 voice acting is bretty gud. The REAL problem was BbS. Willa Hollard was bland. "Terra" was terrible up until he beats Eraqus. Nimoy and Hamill was okayish at worse and great on scenes that needs importance. Aside from which, Jessie and HJO (ESPECIALLY HJO) were the only veterans that actually put effort in their work, if not outright enjoyed it.
Jessie made great enough effort to make Ventus totally different from kinda-angsty Roxas while HJO clearly enjoyed being the bad guy for once in this crazy series
>>334872464
Ansem SOD was just a Heartless with strong will. Enough to command Heartless and make a battleship heartless in space.
>>334873051
>The REAL problem was BbS. Willa Hollard was bland.
Willa does get better in the Secret Episode. Mena's performance in KH2 is kind of marred because we really haven't heard her again as Aerith.
>>334872464
He doesn't have it originally as his Brown Coat incarnation. As for why he has it after he possessed Riku, I don't remember if that's been explained or not.
Sanctuary > Simple & Clean
>>334873740
What ever the new song will be> simple & clean>>>>shituary
>>334874231
It's an original song
>>334869235
He didn't he lost because he thought his heart was stronger than Sora's. Remember the battle was mental/heartful as much as it (vaguely) physical.
When he took Sora's keyblade he was willing it to stay still. Sora's heart was stronger and allowed him to make the Keyblade return despite Roxas willing the opposite. The novel and manga show it better but it's kinda clear that's what Nomura was going for. The Keyblade knows that Sora is the one more worthy of owning it.
>>334865989
How the fuck did DiZ get in there? I know how Xion, Ven, and Roxas got inside Disney Goku, but Diz seems wierd. Can't imagine how he and Rucksack are getting along.
>>334870826
>60$
proof you never actually bough it
>>334872464
The symbols are just something that he did to mark the manufactured heartless.
It doesn't naturally occur some magic Xehanort/Terranort did just causes it spawn with them. So he presumably tattooed himself.
>>334872310
you should update it
Kingdom Hearts DDD was the one that ruined everything with the complex time travel bullshit I despieced that.Also Axel getting a keyblade and the retcons it made just to set up for 3: All Nobodies growing hearts (I was fine with this one), what I hated was the whole 13 darknesses thing which goes back to Organization 13 all having fragments of Xehanort was all part of his plan
Birth By Sleep had a pretty well self contained plot that can be expanded on.
>>334863786
Terra/Lingering Will is another character.
What is stronger: A Sora with one keyblade or a Sora with Two keyblades.
Here is the math.
Sora has power = x, with x being sora's keyblade wielding ability with one keyblade.
Roxas has power = y when wielding both keyblades.
Since Roxas is derived from Sora, Roxas's keyblade wielding ability = x when wielding one keyblade. Therefore, his power y = 2x.
Terra = z. What the FUCK do we compare z with? And don't tell me Ventus, Ventus trained under two different masters and had his powers fucked with. You can't compare.
Terra is a different character who was given formal training alongside two other keyblade wielders. Sora is some no name loser who's had a keyblade for two years and only started interacting with other keyblade users on frequent basis on his second year.
>>334876974
That thing is years old at this point and I didn't make it anon.
>Also Axel getting a keyblade and the retcons it made just to set up for 3
What retcons?
>>334877018
To add to my own post, don't give the the "Sora has magic clothes" bullshit. He has to fuse together with one/two other characters to pull off wielding two keyblades. Roxas can pull it off alone using the power of whiny teenage angst and his libido from Xion.
>>334876974
What the fuck, the time travel was easy to figure out, there weren't any retcon either, hold your analysis devestation over Axel please you're embarrassing yourself.
>>334877150
retcons is the wrong word
I guess it was the new reveals is what I mean
The idea of having a prophecy of 7 lights against 13 darknesses is just so basic.
We already had the princesses.
3 from BBS our regular Kingdom Hearts trio, who's the 7th? Axel? Mickey?
>>334877301
Roxas was able to dual weild because of Ventus
>>334877301
>Roxas can pull it off alone using the power of whiny teenage angst and his libido from Xion.
Not him but, Roxas' keyblades come from Sora and Ventus. Though you're right on Xion helping him to unlock that power.
>>334877558
Axel most likely. That's if they can bring the BBS guys back. Including Terra himself.
>>334877558
>We already had the princesses.
The princesses are the back up plan. Xehanort has set it up so that he gets the clash he needs to form the Chi blade not matter what. He basically gave Sora and the other lights an ultimatum: Either face off against him and his darknesses or he'll go after the princesses.
>3 from BBS our regular Kingdom Hearts trio, who's the 7th? Axel? Mickey?
We don't know, and Terra's status is questionable at this point. People have been trying to use the chessboard from E3 as clues but at the same time Nomura's been coy about it interviews.
>>334877436
"Oh yeah, I can travel through time, but everything is predetermined anyway lol." -Young Xehanort or whoever, I lost track and stopped caring.
So what happens if he travels to the future and finds out he loses (I know he forgets what he learns when going back in time)? I mean, it IS a square enix game made for casuals. It WILL have a happy ending. What's the point of travelling in time when everything is predetermined, and you KNOW it is predetermined?
Master Xehanort is the 7th light.
>>334877850
What you're trying to say is you're too dumb to know what you're talking about.
>>334877436
The time travel aspect of 3D was bullshit
Hello younger me Xehanort, and "Ansem".
I'm actually going to get myself from different time periods and make an army of mes!
How does that affect their own time period?
Did they explain on how he did it, wasn't it a dream too?
Even within the world of Kingdom Hearts it's just so needlessly complex
I love the characterization it added on Riku, unlike in 2 he's more upbeat like in Chain of Memories and has taken over control of using the darkness by fighting Ansem and confronting his darkness (once again)
Everything relating to Xehanort though, I hate it
>>334877850
adding to my post again.
Isn't the point of time travel in many cases to change something directly or at least influence them more into a more favorable direction? With the way it is described in DDD, there's no point to it other than "let's have 13 of the same guy sort of be the main villain."
>>334869516
Who? I think you're referring to the wrong game dude
>>334878012
Think about it. The game is rigged from the start. All part of the master plan and whatnot.
>>334878052
>I love the characterization it added on Riku, unlike in 2 he's more upbeat like in Chain of Memories and has taken over control of using the darkness by fighting Ansem and confronting his darkness (once again)
>Everything relating to Xehanort though, I hate it
You can pretty much break up Riku's character development into 3 parts:
Pic related though it's fromtumblr.
>>334878048
explain then
personally I hate time travel as a narrative tool because it draws in many stupid plot hole
It was in a dream too, this is some marvel comic multiverse tier shit
>>334878318
You missed Chain of Memories Riku, which was one of the best ones, similar attitude to 3D.
He's already been through the shame in Chain of memories, I forgot why he felt shame in 2. I know it was explained in 358 Days
>>334878048
https://youtu.be/JBPSFSZK8sc?t=3m51s
Can't change what's already happened. Also, video said earlier that you can't travel to the future from the present, which is what Young Xehanort did anyway and so did old Master Xehanort because why the fuck not? Sure, it happened in a dream, but it's still in the future.
>>334878341
You're overthinking it a shitload, it's clearly explained by Young Xehanort, you just didn't pay attention.
>>334862975
Alright Lloyd Irving, chill out
>>334855718
Agreed. Roxas is the best.
>>334878552
I didn't draw it anon. But personally I tend to put CoM Riku with KH2/Days Riku due to how the timeline works. I feel like he didn't begin to really start feeling the guilt and remorse until he went through the events of Days and CoM. Speaking of the timeline, I believe Days and CoM are the only things that have stuff laid out like that. Chain of Memories pretty much happened over the course of 25 days.
>>334878992
nah roxas is an edgy faggot
>>334879157
fight me nigga
ill have you know that i can wield TWO keyblades, prepare to get fucked up
>>334872189
If you knew anything it's that Axel was just popular as fuck to begin with.
>>334878318
>Dat pic
Dear god, Riku is a great character. 3D basically being his full evolution and pay off felt so good. Whenever the option to play as Riku arose I always, always preferred him over Sora. In the beginning Riku was the big brother to pick up Sora' slack, and in the end he saves Sora's neck once again looking out for him. 2 was basically the only time Sora had it all was on top.
>>334879367
Nice keyblades.. don't mind me with my one keyblade.. just thinking about my friends to give me the willpower to fight.
>>334879367
>>334879731
You're both really autistic and there's no hope for you. Or my alcoholic ass, for that matter.
>>334878706
that video certainly helped me understand the time travel aspects of it a lot more
it's still confusing
so how did he manage to pull his other incarnations into reality?
Was it possible only because he was in a dream, or can he do it again?
Young Xehanort now has that ability to time travel right? Ok, so the hooded Xehanort from Destiny Islands was not "Ansem" but a Xeahanort that is just a heart traveling through time via some darkness channel
god damn I hate time travel, I hated the movie Primer too
>>334879717
never forget the time he chose the road to dawn at the end of Chain of Memories
CoM is what made me prefer him over Sora
>>334869710
There's no way they're not in KH3 after DDD, look at the way they all parted with each other. It was basically Shiki telling Riku they'll meet again and Neku and Sora basically went "see you soon".
>>334878706
>you can't travel to the future from the present, which is what Young Xehanort did anyway and so did old Master Xehanort because why the fuck not?
I hate Dream Drop Distance so much
>>334880713
>Neku costume in Unchained X
It'll happenPlease let it happen
>>334881118
It already has. Shiki too.
>>334881118
It already did bruh
>>334881179
>>334881209
I meant the costumes in Unchained X hinting at them returning for KH3
>>334881770
Well then, don't stop believing?
>>334879717
Riku, Braig, and (every) Xehanort are the best characters in the series.
>>334881882
>>334869442
But Data Battles are literally the best thing about KH2FM.
>>334873272
Maybe he played by the same rules as Vanitas where he didn't have a form until he came into contact with Riku? And then something something Riku had Terra's rite performed on him so he looked like a combination of Terranort/Young Xehanort/Riku with long hair? I figured that he was basically just a heart in his brown coat at that point. I don't think there have been any other sentient heartlessother than Sora, but fuck that shitup until this point, so who really knows?
>>334870878
Is there any way to read all of the KH2 novels in English? I've only found translations for a few, and can't seem to find a place to buy it.
>>334869530CUM GUARDIAN
>>334877301
He doesn't actually have to use his clothes, and he doesn't actually fuse with the party members. They were simply balance mechanic.
>>334855189
You're right OP he shouldn't have been in kh2 at all.
That whole story ark is fucking stupid.
Just have humans and heartless
