Alright /v/.
I'm not huge on the FPS genre when it comes to videogames, and I really can't get into a lot of modern games because most of them are FPS shooters. Shooters on controller just bother me. I played ONE on a mouse and keyboard way way back when And I did relatively okay.
So, I want to make amends, I want to start from ground zero and move up, starting with the most popular and well known, DOOM.
I have never played a DOOM game or any DOOM clones. I know absolutely nothing about them other then that they are for PC. But I'd like to give them an honest try.
What versions of each game are best? And how would I go about obtaining them? Are there working emulators? Do I have to buy through Steam?
I know nothing when it comes to setting up old PC games, any help would be appreciated.
>>334709097
Anyone?
>>334709097
The first step would be either pirating or buying Doom 1 or 2, I would recommend pirating or getting the wad files from someone else.
Then download GZDoom and put the files in there and launch the exe.
>>334709097
This guide should help ya.
tl;dr explanations:
-original Dooms being old DOS games, they don't run well on modern Windows systems. The Steam and GOG versions use DosBox, which gets the job done, but isn't optimal.
-There's tons of modern "source-ports", that run the original files (.WADs) through a fancy front software, making them work better on modern machines. Some of them are more feature-packed than others.
-Use Chocolate-Doom port for very "vanilla" experience, and ZDoom or GZDoom for mods, visual enhancements, and new additions.
-Doesn't matter where you get the .WADs of Doom 1 and 2, just get them. The "Doom 3: BFG Edition" ones are CENSORED though, so avoid them.
Ultra violence is the only difficulty you should play on.
>>334709654
>Then download GZDoom and put the files in there and launch the exe.
GZDoom has a bit too much bullshit tacked on and enabled by default (jumping, y-Axis aiming, filters....) if you want to have a proper, vanilla-like experience at first. I'd go with Chocolate or ZDoom instead, just so that OP would not have to spend the first 10 minutes tweaking the settings.
>>334709791
He can just turn them off.
>>334709654
Pirating Pc games, is that just isntalled directly to the system? no DOS emulator or anything? Can windows 8 run DOOM on its own?
>>334709678
>DosBox
Thats what I thought.. Okay, that makes more sense.
>>334709949
Don't use DosBox, use Chocolate Doom for vanilla experience.
You can get Doom wad links here:
http://pastebin.com/GnWMDhg0
>>334709097
>I know absolutely nothing about them other then that they are for PC
lol, DOOM's been ported on just about every single computer-like system ever made!
Obviously PC is the ultimate, only proper way to play it.
Anyway, after yer done with D1/2/64, you really should check out Duke 3D and BLOOD as well. Douk has a great source-port as well, called eDuke32, but BLOOD unfortunately is only playable on DosBox at the moment.
After that, I guess you should hit the Half-Life series, starting with the original + expansions. Steam's the way to go with 'em, and they run butter smooth out of the box.
>>334709949
>Can windows 8 run DOOM on its own?
No. I think even the Windows 95 version is obsolete now, being a 16-bit program (modern OS'es only understand 32-bit, lowest).
>>334709791
PrBoom+ works pretty well for vanilla too.
It plays better than Chocolate IMO, even though I grew up playing the DOS version
>mfw some faggot claimed Doom wasn't the greatest game ever made near me
>>334709891
>He can just turn them off.
like said: 10 minutes in options, for no reason.
>>334709791
There's no point in not just playing Choco if you want full vanilla. If you don't, there's no point in not playing GZ. And no, turning off filtering is really fast and most gameplay wads require GZ anyway. Also vertical look is neat as fuck.
>>334710384
>greatest game ever made
that's not cho ren sha
>>334709791
But GZdoom doesn't enable them by default.
>>334709949
Chocolate Doom IS the dos version, without having to deal with the bullshit that is Dosbox.
Chocolate lets you play doom like its 1996, 35fps cap, resolution limits, etc.
Zdoom is the most commonly used engine, Gzdoom is zdoom with a opengl backend that makes geometry not distort when you look up and down. Gzdoom lets you use zdoom's software renderer with a console command.
There is an argument for playing chocolate, as invisible enemies are not as invisible at high res, but gzdoom can replicate that by tweaking "fuzz" options.
Purist tier: Chocolate Doom 35 fps glory
Purist + Tier: Crispy Doom - low resolution but uncapped framerate pretty much
Modern-Vanilla: Gzdoom with jumping disabled and ALL texture filtering off, high resolution, high FPS, good times
Modern-Vanilla +: I do this usually, vertical look enabled, Autoaim off(autoaim in Doom aims up and down), pfx sound pack so sounds have some trebble to them, no jumping. Freelook can mess with the balance of shooting enemies above you and the rocket launcher's splash damage. Fuck it though, I like looking up and down. Uses Gzdoom because looking up and down (freelook) without a hardware renderer makes shit distort.
Remaster Tier: Modern Vanilla + with SmoothDoom which adds more frames to the animations while retaining vanilla gameplay
Full Retard Shitposter Tier: playing Brutal Doom and saying its a patch.
OP again.
Whats the differences between Ultimate and final? Are they re-made versions with extras or different games entirely?
>playing Doom with a mouse
Everyone in this thread is a keyboard-only patrician, right?
>>334710645
Op again
Graphics and lines and such don't bother or deter me, I'm used to them. I'm rather play it how it was meant to be then add filters and such.
>>334711038
Ultimate Doom is Doom 1 + some extra levels
Final Doom doesn't include Doom 1 and is comprised of two entirely different sets of levels: TNT Revilution and Plutonia, both are for experienced players only because of their difficulty
>>334710939
Last time I downloaded GZDoom it did have filters on by default, which looked absolutely disgusting. If they changed it - good for them.
>>334710939
You forgot Hardcore Tier - playing with Real Guns Hardcore.
>>334711189
Then play Choco.
>>334711207
I know DOOM has some semblance of a story, would extra levels like the ones in ultimate give me more insight into whats going on?
>>334711038
Ultimate Doom is the original Doom release (episodes 1-3) plus an extra episode (4).
Final Doom is a pair of commercially released community-made mapsets (The Plutonia Experiment and TNT: Evilution) that used Doom 2 as a base.
chocolate doom is for idiots
download gzdoom
turn off filtering if you're autistic
vertical look is absolutely fine, it actually plays better this way compared to vertical autoaim in the original (aside from the shitty doom2 endboss)
the only thing you shouldn't do is use jumping or crouching, doom wasn't designed for this and you can break maps by doing it
>>334711298
Sounds good, what was ultimate for? I can't find it in DoS. Was it a later upgrade for PC?
also is 3 better vanilla or BFG?
>>334711049
It was designed for the mouse. It had mouse support since day one.
>>334711038
just grab the Iwad pack from /vr/, your playthrough order is doom.wad (maybe skip episode 4 because it was done later and isn't as good as the others), doom2.wad, TNT, then Plutonia.
Plutonia is bullshit hard though, it'll make you a man, but I don't find it to be fun difficulty like alot of hard user maps.
Also, PLAY ON ULTRA VIOLENCE, its the official difficulty where shit is balanced.
>>334711253
I think filters might be on by default, but jumping,crouching and vert look are off by default. Only one that should be on by default is Linear Mipmap so Anisotrophic works properly.
>>334711291
Satan killed your fucking bunny, go kick their asses
>>334711291
>I know DOOM has some semblance of a story
it doesnt
>>334711291
>I know DOOM has some semblance of a story
>>334710908
The bullets in chorensha are boring
Not saying it's a bad game though, it's pretty good, but I think there are definitely better shmups.
>>334711049
Doom having no mouse controls by default is probably my least favorite meme on /v/.
>>334711189
Sounds like Chocolate Doom is the way to go.
Remember to play on U.V. difficulty, and toggle Always Run on.
>>334711589
>it doesnt
confirmed for never even playing it / reading the manual.
>>334711529
3 is better being left aside completely.
Here you go, jerk!
http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/
>>334711291
https://youtu.be/PTnqSOMHNyQ
>>334711819
Ouch. No good.
Also, looked at the infograph on /vr/. I'm interested in pirate doom afterwards just because, but it says chocolate is incompatible with lots of mods.
would this be an issue?
>>334712235
GZDoom is required for Pirate Doom
>>334712235
Most mods need GZDoom to run.
>>334711813
>toggle Always Run on
Why'd you do that, maps aren't that big and you can always hold shift if you wanna go faster.
>>334712235
if you want to use simple mods you use prboom
for fancy mods like pirate doom you use zdoom or gzdoom
>>334712365
>and you can always hold shift if you wanna go faster
That shit isn't comfortable.
>>334712235
Your source ports are pretty much Chocolate for 1996 nostalgia, Crispy for the look of Chocolate without some of the limits, and Gzdoom is a full on modern version of the engine.
All mods are made for Gzdoom nowadays.
There's a version of Gzdoom called Zandronum which is for multiplayer, it doesn't have the latest Gzdoom features because it has to incorporate them for netcode without breaking loads of shit.
>>334712365
>not playing for speed
It is pretty silly to turn always run on the first time you play though.
>>334712365
there's no reason why you would ever want to go slower
>>334712554
>what is MAP24
>>334712436
>>334712554
It's a matter of taste, I suppose. I find sprint to be too fast for precise manoeuvres.
>>334711291
Serious answer tho
You're a space marine on some moonbase where they're researching teleportation technology. An experiment suddenly manages to open a portal to hell, demons spill out, you're the only survivor. You go through the entire moonbase kicking demon ass only to get ambushed and get your ass handed to you. You wake up in another moonbase and go kick demon ass through that too. Then you discover that the second moonbase was actually on a floating island above hell and you died back when you got ambushed. So you climb down to hell and kick more demon ass until you find the baddie in charge of the whole invasion operation, and kick his ass too. Hell then decides it doesn't want to put up with your shit so it throws you out back on earth.
You get an entire two-second break until you realize demons are invading earth too. More importantly, they also killed your pet bunny, so you go and kick even more demon ass, eventually going back into hell and kicking the ass of one of Satan's pals so demons will stop invading earth too.
There, I just summarized the entire plot of Doom 1 and 2. Now go and play some motherfucking Doom.
>>334712485
And that other mention prboom is a version of the engine that you only really need if you're playing something insane like nuts.wad with literally thousands of enemies on screen.
>>334711813
>and toggle Always Run on.
Are you some sort of faggot that can't hold down a key in exchange for better control over your ludicrous speed?
Always Run? More like Always Off.
>>334712684
Don't forget Doom 64, the real Doom 3 and direct sequel to 2.
>UAC doing shit on Mars again
>oh shit nigga a new threat appears called the Mother Demon
>she resurrects all the demons you killed in Doom 1
>they kill everyone
>you head back and kill them again
>>334712658
You're usually better off doing precise shit as fast as possible and only hitting shift when you need to not fall off a cliff.
>>334712759
You need to be going fast or at least can manage it literally 95% of the time. Why make your pinky do so much work when you can just press shift when you need to slow down.
My hand already gets tired dancing with hot homing skeleton balls in wads like Valiant.
ookay, problem it seems
>>334712967
And I forgot the best part
>you decide to stay in Hell forever as a gatekeeper to ensure those faggots stop invading for good
>>334712972
You don't need to be going always fast in vanilla Doom wads, thus I would not recommend that to a guy who just wants to experience Doom for the first time.
>>334713009
What the flying fuck did you do to your windows? I mean, I'm not a fan in Win 10 either, but that's fucking disgusting.
>>334713086
How unoriginal
>>334713086
But that's exactly what Doom 4 is.
>>334712658
precise shit like what? apart from stupid shit like the pit there's absolutely nothing to go slow for
>>334713105
it's not like you need training wheels before you can handle the full speed of the doomguy he's not sonic the hedgehog
>>334713328
I just prefer going slower, admiring the details, you know. Outside of really hard wads and battles Doom isn't really fast or slow, it's satisfying though.
Why in the ever loving fuck it is so complex to make a server in brutal doom?
I'm not the smartest but fuck using Zandronum or whatever the name is ain't helping, i owe my buddy for YEARS to play this shit online together, co-op the campaign and scream while blasting shit up but man for the life of us we just don't get how to host a server.
Is there any guide for dummies for a co-op server setup please?
>>334709097
OP, this guy does a lot of video review of classic fps games. I don't agree with his tastes most of the time but he puts some effort in and does a good job I think.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Gggmanlives/videos
Well this is embarasing. I can't DL the yandex folder on /vr/ and I can't seem to find Doom wads anywhere.
>>334714283
What yandex folder? The wads are in the dropbox:
Q - Where do I start? Where can I get DOOM?
A - Download the IWADs here (80 MB):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/iwads.zip
A - Or here (105 MB):
https://www.mediafire.com/?5daxmd5azqmrvvz
A - Or this general starter pack; contains sourceports, IWADs, and selected PWADs (300 MB):
https://www.mediafire.com/?n2ss723v0sbpjmu
Q - Okay, now what do I do with these IWADs? How do I play DOOM?
A - Download a sourceport!
http://svn.drdteam.org/gzdoom/ -- OpenGL variant of ZDoom
http://svn.drdteam.org/zdoom/ -- THE sourceport to get for singleplayer. TONS of features.
http://www.zandronum.com/ -- The only surviving multiplayer port. Get this to play with /vr/.
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/prboom-plus/ -- for a little more than vanilla, has great demo compatability
http://sourceforge.net/projects/chocolate-doom/ -- Faithful to original EXEs, but with bugfixes.
http://pastebin.com/EzwyW330 -- Tutorial for setting up the original EXEs in DOSBox.
>>334714283
>I can't seem to find Doom wads anywhere.
are you kidding me? it's the first google result
never played doom okay faggot where do you think this is that you're posting
>>334714660
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/iwads.zip
Okay, got it working but none of those seem to have ultimate.
Any idea where I could find ultimates WAD standalone?
>>334714772
Its /v/ videogames.
I'm a platformer and arcade gamer, Shooters have never been my thing, so i'm willing to branch out and give the older classic ones a try now.
Its critically acclaimed as one of "The best games of all time" Why wouldnt I at least try it?
>>334714956
>none of those seem to have ultimat
They do, it's a part of doom.wad, it's just 9 levels (8+1 secret one) for the original Doom. Quite hard, the first and second one are probably the hardest vanilla Doom levels.
>>334714660
GZ is built upon Zdoom, why would you prefer the latter one?
>>334715119
oh, okay thanks
>>334713514
oh so you have autism
>>334715231
I dunno, maybe you want walls to act really funky when you move your mouse? You have OpenGL?
>>334715268
>>334715119
Wait no, there doesnt seem to be a doom.wad
only Doom 2 hell on earth and a bunch of hexen
>>334715373
>enjoying the game = having autism
Well, I guess you've got me!
>>334715418
Dude, I just clicked on that dropbox link and there absolutely is doom.wad. It's between chex3.wad and doom2.wad alphabetically. Are you pulling my leg?
>>334715670
>>334716113
Try dragging and dropping doom.wad on gzdoom.exe.
>>334716113
dude, then put the doom.wad in the same folder as all the other ones
I like helping you but this is turning into spoonfeeding
>wants to play doom
First off
Imagine doom as being so over the top its fucking metal and badass
Now
play Doom 1 and then Doom 2
Read/watch the Doom comic slideshow(on youtube)
Play brutal doom
/thread
>>334716442
Kill yourself
>>334712653
which is shit
Utlimate Doom
Doom II
TNT
Plutonia
Scythe
Alien Vendetta
Speed of Doom
Valiant
Sunlust
That's the list I've come up with based on what research I've done in terms of difficulty. I have this week off so I figured it's as good as time as any to become familiar with the classics before Doom 4 releases.
>>334716113
At this point we can tell that you aren't going to enjoy playing Doom.
>>334716552
Mother fucker he was asking about playing the actual .wads
Not the .wad clones
I threw brutal doom in there because its fucking goofy
Remember to play Demonsteele after you're done. Then Heretic and Hexen
Not Doom, but definitely give Duke Nukem 3D a spin. It's slightly newer than Doom, but still definitely very old school and a damn good game all around.
Just avoid the High Resolution Pack like the black plague and cancer combined, it's so absurdly shitty that it's genuinely difficult to believe someone actually willingly released it
>>334716665
>he didn't like the chasm
I really appreciated the sadism of that level. I wish more games felt like the designer is fucking with the player on purpose.
>>334713058And apparently this ties into D44M somehow.Please don't suck
Please don't suck
Please don't suck
Please don't suck
>>334717797
>loading map 24: The Chasm
>immediately noclip/idclip to the end.
nah fuck that.
>>334717871
>Please don't suck
Anon...
>>334718168
Is it wrong to hope, anon? Is it?
Um Wow...
Its a good thing theres modding, the colors are like puke. who thought this was a good idea? really, making the menu piss yellow and everything either grey, red or green?
I feel sick to my stomach. on second thought, no thanks...
>>334718307
You're setting yourself up for disappointment. Expect nothing and be glad if you're wrong
>>334710265
>EDuke32
>great
Eh? Granted, it's by far the most serviceable port given the curiously poor state of Duke3D sourceports, but I wouldn't say it's that good. The "incredible" renderer is mostly incredible at being the biggest resource hog ever for no good reason, and I recall the multiplayer is still broken after 6+ years.
Seriously, why are Douk3D ports so bad? Even Descent has better source ports, DXX-Rebirth is a damn great no-nonsense port, and that game is definitely more obscure than Duke.
>>334712658
you really don't need to do much of anything too precise, and if you got Always Run enabled, SHIFT is used for the normal walk speed
>>334718421
I know. I know.
It'll probably be better than Doom 3 at least.
>>334711791
Doom always had mouse controls, but most people didn't own a mouse back then. Most of the first doom players started with keyboard only, coming from wolf 3D.
Op here
So, beat the first doom game. cant say i'm too thrilled. Puzzles were pretty lackluster, and the enemies were only okay.
2 better?
>>334721226
2 goes more over the top with level design, while at the same feeling over simplified, specially near the end (though I loved the fuck of the last 4 levels), however the new enemies add tons of fun. Expect a billion square rooms
I guess the strongest points of DOOM I are atmosphere and the symbolic value of playing it, killing the bosses and just being DOOMGUY.
>>334721226
wait you beat doom in 3 hours?
uwooot
>>334721226
Now you're supposed to play In the Shores of Hell campaign, you dumb ass.
Also boost up the difficulty.
>>334721226
>So, beat the first doom game.
...seriously?
Or did you just beat the Knee Deep In Dead -chapter? You know there's 3 (or 4, if you're playing Ultimate Doom) chapters?
>>334721226
>Puzzles were pretty lackluster
are you real?
what was your favourite puzzle? use blue keycard on blue door? or use yellow keycard or yellow door?
>>334721978
obviously red card on red door
>>334721602
oh okay
>>334721710
I think? I finished Central processing
>>334721742
I chose whatever the first one was
>>334722709
See, you just finished the introductory campaign.
The other ones will be bigger and more challenging.
>>334722709
that's the first episode. It hasn't even begun.
You've got 3 more to go.
>tfw you live long enough to see doom becoming another halo clone
>>334722843
>>334722863
oh, okay.
>>334709678
Fuck chocolate doom; use crispy doom
Wait... WHAT.
So if I die i have to close the entire application? What the fuck.
>>334723864
umm... no?
What the fuck are you doing, and are you OP?
>>334723864
Yup, you fucked up.
If you die in this game, a demon will manifest through your computer and eat you. Grab a beer and say your prayers before the process is complete.
RIP in peace, OP.
>>334724110
Yes, I died on the minotaur things throwing green fireballs and its not letting me respawn. I pressed enter, space click and everything and nothing.
It just put me back on the main menu and started me at the first level again
>>334724298
Did you ever save?
After you die you respawn by pressing whatever thing you mapped to be the Shoot command.
>>334723264
There are other Halo clones?
>>334724535
No.. i figured it saved itself after every level since it never prompted me, was there a specific key for it?
>>334724615
You pause and then you save.
Your problem is kinda weird though.
But you need an awful lot of handholding, OP.
I recommend you to close the web browser and use your brains a bit more; also check the options to see the control scheme, so you don't miss out of any possible customization or command options.
>>334724615
>>334724298
no, by default Doom does not make saves.
It's all manual, "hard" saves, done via the ESC menu.
That being said, you SHOULD have the option to restart the level you died at, from the very beginning, with only the pistol, if you press one of the action keys. It's usually not the wisest choice though.
>>334724946
Maaaaan.. SO I gotta start over?
Fuck this. I'll just go back to trying to stomach the last of us. playing antiquated games WITHOUT SAVING is only frustrating me more.
>>334725152
Dude you can save the game whenever you want
Don't use chocolate doom either; use crispy doom. Chocolate doom is literally a meme
There is also nothing wrong with gzdoom and smooth doom. That's how millions of vanilla purists play.
>>334725152
>>334725152
Fuck you, if bait you got me 110/10 mad
>>334725152
Nah, this is bait.
>>334725152
>>334724608
There were plenty in the 2000s.
OP here.
Please ignore the shitter who is falseflagging as me. I did finish the first episode and liked it a lot; I also started to play Brutal Doom right away, and I'm enjoying it even more than the original.
I can't believe that I missed out on this series.
>>334726510
Name a few. The only one that comes to mind immediately is Republic Commando.
>>334726528
You're not Op. Its obvious as heck with your typing style.
>>334725152
i refuse to believe you are this retarded
>>334726528
this is also bad bait
>>334726573
Killzone
Red Faction 2
Haze
Console Crysis games (Crysis 2 and 3)
Timeshift
GZDooM(nvidia like opengl)
Doom4(amd like opengl)
why?
>>334709678
this works really well, I really recommend doom it's awesome and pure fun
How is SNES doom?
>>334729520
Horrible.
Not strictly related to DOOM but what's the best way to play Blood? Is it to still put up with DOSBox? Any hopes for a new sourceport or actually good TC?
>>334729520
It has a cool-looking cart.
Jenesis is hands down my favourite megawad of all time. The levels are awesome and the music is amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qEjii5dFzY is my favourite from it
>>334730702
I also forgot to mention Dark Tartarus. Jenesis and Dark Tartarus are my two favourite of all time
>>334730702
That's a pretty good track actually
>>334725152
Then play on gzdoom, it autosaves after every level
>>334729520
it's a fairly faithful port, better than some other console-ports of the mid 00's, but still pales in comparison to the PC original in all ways.
It's still a very impressive feat for SNES, and a fancy piece of history.
I so wanted the game as a kid, as I'd gotten to play a little of the OG Doom on my friend's PC, but the SNES port had disappeared from our local shops by the time I realized what it was.
>>334733389
>As a kid.
Isn't this an M Rated game?
>>334731339
Granted that one wasn't composed by the wad maker but this one is and it's pretty great as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9p7qVY2ta0
>>334733742
nobody gave a single fuck back then. I was less than 10 when I first played the Doom, Douk, Resident Evil, Carmageddon, Mortal Kombat... etc.
And on the contrary to the popular believes at the time, I still haven't killed anyone. In fact, thanks to RESI, I later got into Silent Hill, which again got me interested in psychology, which helped me ace the related classes in HS, and then understand Pink Floyd's the Wall -film better, etc and so on.
OP HERE
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
CANR SEE SHIR
>>334734940
Your bait got stale already.
>>334734940
press +
