>make meme political/feels walking simulator with little gameplay or appeal
>go bankrupt
>"fuck gamers for not playing our game, fuck these entitled faggot gamer cunts, I hope the game industry dies"
???
I don't think the devs of the 2nd one ever said that.
>make a game about your son's death
>complain that you aren't profiting enough from it
>>332210301
Didn't say it, but then blamed youtubers for their game failing, and then proceeded to start striking videos down
>"We underestimated how many people would be satisfied with only watching the game instead of playing it themselves," he wrote in a blog post titled "On Let's Plays". "If you compare the millions of views of the entirety of our game on YouTube to our sales as estimated on SteamSpy, you can hopefully see the disparity. We have seen many people post our entire game on YouTube with little to no commentary."
>The post was prompted by a user outcry that their videos had been marked by content strikes, as a result of the game's composer Jon Hillman being given freedom to choose whether to protect his intellectual property or not by Green as part of his freelance agreement.
>>332210381
Did he really tried to sell a shit game with his son's death?
>>332210220
The Sunset devs were slightly upset that their game failed
>>332210653
Pretty much.
>>332210495
Are you retarded?
>>332210725
>Michëal
>>332211020
u wot? You can't say the whole taking videos down thing isn't done out of spite.
>>332211202
You can thank the SF clique for that one
>>332210220
>find lp of Cancer game
>skip around to see what the game is like
>gokarting mini game
And that is the story of me laughing at a game about a kid dying of cancer
>Man makes "That Dragon Cancer" about his son dying of cancer
>"I just want to tell my story."
>Game flops
>People just watch it being played on YT
>"FUCKING FAGGOTS WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING MY GAME JEWTUBE TAKE THESE VIDEOS DOWN REEEEEEEEEE"
>>332210725
Didn't they immediately go back to games though?
LOL
O
L
>>332210725
Funny thing is these people never blame themselves, just everyone else.
>OH MY GOD YOUTUBE IS CUTTING INTO MY PROFITS
>OH NO PIRACY IS MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DESIGN GAMES
>THE REVIEWERS ARE TOO HARSH AND MEAN
If they did manage to ban all those things so how, who else would they blame? People who play games for not playing them or enjoying them correctly?
>>332213331
You must of misheard him, he didn't want to tell his story.
He wanted to SELL his story.
Honest mistake.
>>332213561
Good. This piece of trash tried to capitalize on the suffering and death of his own child and didn't even spare a penny of the proceeds for cancer research or charity. Deserves to fail on principle.
That Dragon Cancer was a great "game" about faith and God.
>>332210220
Well, to be fair a lot of the 19th century painters that are now highly treasured expressed a similar feeling about the art buying community at the time.
>>332210381
>>332210653
>>332210765
Its not about a baby getting a cancer, its about the father struggling with his faith.
>>332210725
>next rent due
>"i'm just kidding yall heres my new kickstarter"
>>332210220
>using your son's death to make money via a shitty "narrative experience" vidya
I have no word to describe how much this sickens me.
Moer like "That Faggot, Bankrupt" LMAO
>>332214674
No it's note.
And the "praise the lord" gimmick is unbearable.
Fuck this shit and fuck this guy.
>>332214191
>Kills your son
>Fucks over your attempts to exploit your dead son for profit
God's a cheeky fucker
>>332214969
He wasn't dead when they started development... which I don't know if that makes it better or worse...
>>332213558
I think so, and they each have Patreon accounts, but they're both getting ~$300 each
>Since we have ceased our commercial activity with ToT, we rely entirely on the goodwill of benefactors to continue our creative work.
>>332215101
But the pinnacle of the entire game is the father finding faith again when his son stops crying from pain when he begs for god's help.
>>332214191
God don exits!
>>332210653
He made it while his son was dying. It was a way for him to cope. He wanted to share his story through an interactive medium.
>>332215340
>morphine finally kicks in
>PRAISE THE LORD!
>>332210495
You're retarded.
>>332215249
wow
If legit that's just terrible imo.
>>332215547
*tip
>>332215046
Got em
>>332215547
No it was him trying to make the baby sleep for hours or something at their own home. Finally he put the kid to bed and cried how he cant do anything please god help. Then the kid stops crying. GOD'S MIRACLE FAITH RESTORED TIME TO MAKE A VIDEO GAME.
>>332215249
so keeping memento is bad? did the kid object to it?
I don't like babies or cancer or God.
What is Sunset about?
>>332214473
No they didn't, what the fuck are you on?
>>332215592
Even worse, he said he was glad when his son finally died because "now he gets to be with our lord in heaven". What a piece of shit.
>>332215771
You are a cleaning lady taking care of guy's apartment while civil war is going on. You choose if you do the cleaning in cold professionalism or in "playful" manner so you get to know your employer better. Choices affect the ending somewhat and you can watch from balcony and read from newspapers how the civil war affects the country.
>>332215525
>He wanted to share his story through an interactive medium.
And that's why he asked money for it.
>"This game's so pretentious that playing through it gave me a fuckin film school degree."
>>332215771
A strong independent black woman who don't need no man gets stuck in a South American country during a revolution and takes a job as a housekeeper for some wealthy guy who may or may not be involved in drugs and weapons trade. You literally just go around cleaning his house and snooping through his shit to read notes and files to learn about him.
>>332210220
Sunset was shit all around.
Cancer gave me feels. Worth the pirate IMO. I never really buy story based games.
>>332215732
>>332215547
>>332215340
>>332215101
>>332214674
At the risk of sounding like an edgy fedora-tipping atheist transkin faggot, that is the most retarded premise for an indie game I've heard yet.
>>332216019
He said in an interview that he just wanted to break even. Him and his wife dumped everything they had into this game. I feel bad for them because some preachy SJWs convinced him walking simulators were in right now and that he should do whatever it takes to finish the game. Sucks since SJWs don't have jobs, you can't expect them to support you.
>>332216412
No but you have to feel bad because a baby died of cancer. Please donate to my patreon.
>>332213331
>JEWTUBE TAKE THESE VIDEOS DOWN REEEEEEEEEE
He admitted that watching somebody else play his """game""" isn't much different than actually playing it.
He's upset about his movie being pirated on youtube.
>>332216412
>caring so much about being called a fedora on /v/ that you have to add a disclaimer to your completely typical opinion
Grow a pair
>>332215525
>He made it while his son was dying.
Wait, so he put time, effort and money into developing a game based on his son's experience with cancer while his son was dying of cancer, instead of devoting his entire time to his fucking kid?
Goddamn, father of the year.
>>332216454
How much fucking money does a game like this even take?
>>332216609
He's only upset with the videos with little to no commentary. Technically without commentary it's not fair use. He's in the right, kid.
>>332213561
>>332210220
>That Dragon Cancer
What the hell am I looking at? Some dude with a VR headset fuckin' a doll?
>>332216705
That's really sad. They could have just made the game after the kid was gone. Instead he and his wife spent time on a game instead of taking in every moment with their dying child, who they will never see again.
>>332216454
The funny thing is, the SJW's can't and won't support it because it had a strong Christian message behind it and they're all fedora tards. The San Francisco clique tried really hard to just ignore it in order to not look like hypocrites by bad mouthing it, but also didn't stand behind it when I got torn apart by the people they hate (us, GG, etc). Pretty funny really.
>>332216776
>He's only upset with the videos with little to no commentary.
I can imagine. It's 95% the same as playing the game itself, so of course people would choose to get the same experience for free rather than pay.
>>332216741
He could only code. So they ended up spending like 15k on artists and devs. I listened to a Radio Lab episode for this information. It was a good listen. Sad af.
I'm just sad because some pretentious fucks told him this kind of game was a good idea.
>>332216916
I agree people would choose this option since it's free. But if you're not using it for commentary, and you monetize it, he should be able to flag it. The game is basically a movie, and you can't just upload unedited full movies to youtube.
>>332213331
>guy makes game that will only appeal to faggots who don't play video games
>faggots who don't play video games love it. But don't buy it because they watched somebody else play it on youtube
Serves him right, fucking idiot.
>>332217091
I'd agree with that argument.
>>332210220
>I hope the game industry dies
Isn't this something /v/ says on a regular basis
>>332216932
> on artists
The game looks like shit. But I guess he kinda got ripped off or something.
> and devs
What kind of devs? It's not like the game has any gameplay, and as long as the guy can code and do the writing, I don't really see what else is there.
Sounds?
>>332214674
>its about the father struggling with his faith.
That's what happens when you have a mentally bankrupt belief system built on primitive fairy tales
>>332215552
fuck off shitty dev
>>332217475
ow the edge
>>332217416
He had a small team. I don't remember all of the details about it from RadioLab, I was too busy sobbing in my work truck.
>>332216893
I just want to know the rationale behind taking the time to code and produce elements for a game while your kid is dying, even as a commemoration. Like what exactly was the line of thought that led him to think it would be explainable to literally anybody not emotionally involved in their situation, much less think it would turn a profit.
I haven't really been following this, bit I just listened to Total Cancer's rant on the whole deal. And apparently all they've done so far is claim ads on people's uploads of the OST, and then criticized shitty, contentless LPs that didn't discuss the game at all, and said they'd prefer LPs where the player talked about how the game impacted/affected them right?
Honestly I don't see a problem if that's the case, but the devs do need to realize that these kinds of interactive stories are for a pretty niche audience, and you simply aren't gonna be making bank.
All this refers to That Dragon, I have zero clue about the sunset fiasco.
>>332217475
The struggle comes from the guy going "Why does god kill my son with cancer" while his wife goes "ITS GODS WILL." and its pissing him off. But in the end he remembers that god is trooooo.
>>332217475
I agree. When you delude yourself into thinking that god will always be there to save you, you are basically crippled in the face of real, common, every day suffering and strife because you can't comprehend the reality that magic isn't going to save you or the ones you love. Anyone who comes out of a crisis of faith, especially one of this magnitude, still a believer is just plain stupid and too far gone to be helped.
>>332216895
>the SJW's can't and won't support it because it had a strong Christian message behind it and they're all fedora tards
It actually got a fair bit of coverage. Also SJW don't overlap with atheists as much as you think, considering how much they despise Dawkins and love Islam.
>>332217658
whats the matter
>>332210220
>be small game developer with a small game with a reasonable price
>get told that my game costs too much by people buy 60 dollar AAA games and pay for twitch subscriptions to get emoticons
>>332216932
I can't even be sad about his situation, knowing the details behind it. He pulled together a team and spent money to develop a game while his son was fucking dying from cancer, and it didn't even turn out to be a successful commemoration beyond assholes watching LPs of it on YouTube.
What did the kid think about this whole thing, while he was dying? What did he think about his jesus-freak father spending money and time coding a game he was never going to see released?
It's like a retarded inverse Lorenzo's Oil, in a sort of way.
>>332216454
Social justice warriors don't buy games. They critique them. I think that more devs that were chasing after them finally came to the realization that no matter what they did to try to be inclusionary that it was never enough.
Does this fucking faggot actually think that people were going to buy his "game"?
Maybe if you want to make money, make something people want to buy. It's really not that hard.
>>332218327
From what I recall. When he decided to pull the team together, it seemed like his son was going to live.
>>332218242
You seem to be missing the fact that the game is not entertaining and people don't play games that they don't find fun
>>332210653
Yes.
To be fair people write and flog books about how family members died all the time.
>>332216818
It makes me think of the Resident Evil 6 logo.
>>332213983
There are no proceeds. That's the dev's whole problem. They've made no money off their game.
>>332218242
>People spend X amount of money on product A, so they should buy my product B, which is priced at half the price of product A!
Don't ever try to sell anything to anyone, anon.
>alright just got back from a hard day's work
>time to play some motherfucking THAT DRAGON CANCER
>oh man this is so much fun; it's like my son actually has cancer in real time! This is exactly what I need to relax right now
?????
>>332218242
It's about value, or at least perceived value. In the case of something like "That Dragon, Cancer", no price is worth paying to play it in my opinion. It simply doesn't look fun or interesting. I already lost my dad to cancer anyway, there's nothing this game can teach me in regards to that sort of loss and I don't see any potential enjoyment I could get from stirring up those feelings. Now, if all the proceeds were to go to charity, I may have bought it on principle to support that, but they didn't do that because they're greedy cunts who aren't interested in spreading cancer awareness or helping further research so that other families don't have to go through this in the future. At the end of the day, if I'm spending $20 or $60 or whatever on a game, it has to look like it matches that price in the value I gain from playing it. If someone wants to pay twitch for stupid emoticons to spam instead of buying this, then they must think that has more value to them (I certainly wouldn't do this though)
>>332219108
This game is a piece of shit, but video games do not serve a singular purpose in entertaining you.
I was considering watching this on YouTube, but after reading about it ITT I don't think I'll even bother.
>>332218546
That's not the point. It's the fact that the guy decided to put time into making a fucking game--a storytelling walking simulator at that--instead of making sure the prognosis was permanent, and that his kid was stable enough to begin spending time on a game.
The entirety of his failed project could have waited until after his kid definitively survived or died. Splitting his time between caring for his son and fucking game development is a goddamn embarrassment.
>>332210301
>>332210495
>game is an 'interactive movie'
>without all that much interaction
>its also short as fuck
what the hell did they expect? they made a slightly interactive short film, nobody bought it, and now they seriously think youtubers are to blame? fucking hell, man.
there's a reason why blockbuster movies about violence and sex sell, and arthouse indie short films abour sadness don't. that translates to video games pretty straightforward.
these people vastly overestimate how many players give a fuck about 'artsy' games like this.
Wait what
It was kickstarted
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/godatplay/that-dragon-cancer
Then got funding from Ouya
http://www.wired.com/2016/01/that-dragon-cancer/
Then complains about nosales and said he wanted to at least "break even"?
How much money went into this
What
The
Fuck
>>332210725
>Auriea
>Michaël
where do these hellspawn come from
>another thread where people complain about a game they have never played
>>332219690
The more I read about this the more it seems like a scam. Or they're just awful people who don't know how to manage their money.
>>332219923
Dude is from Denmark or Belgium or some shit. She's probably just a typical American black woman with stupid parents.
>>332219690
Too much for them to be complaining and caring about Youtube videos but, the current "indie scene" won't be happy until their product sells like a AAA blockbuster. It doesn't matter how much blow job sex marketing or awards they throw at it now that refunds are common practice. Now, we've moved on to stage 2. Shaming & guilting people into buying a product.
>>332219670
people like interactive movies just fine, it's just about appeal. Firewatch sold fucking 500k already. It's just that no one's idea of a good time involves religious angst and kids with cancer
>>332219670
>>these people vastly overestimate how many players give a fuck about 'artsy' games like this.
They're usually insulated from the actual consumer base by their own preconceived notions and delusions of success, most of which has been spurred on by other indie developers who actually made it big and are now mouthpieces for the worst aspects of pretentious thought masked as creativity.
>>332210220
>sunset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZly6bW3UMk
>>332210220
> makes games without any interactive aspect
> complains when youtube gives you the whole experience for free
Wew lad
>>332220283
>It's just that no one's idea of a good time involves religious angst and kids with cancer
yeah, that's what i mean
people generally play games to have fun, either from engaging gameplay or from experiencing a cool story.
this game barely has any gameplay, and its setting and plot are just depressing and sad. the polar opposite of fun. why would anybody want that?
>>332220406
The only way this could've been worse if if one of those had been Catcher in the Rye
>>332217475
psssh...
>>332221169
Fountain head or Atlas Shrugged would make it even worse
>>332221169
>>332220406
>>332221542
>not The God Delusion
>>332222024
>>332221542
>>332221169
One of the few things indie games have taught me is that intellectualism does not always equate to intelligence.
I will never buy a game without a strong gameplay focus. If you want to tell a story do it through film or writing. If you are doing it through videogame it's only because you lack talent for the other two.
>>332210220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzcX5PQSS4g
A reminder this was made too...
>>332222380
That's not intellectualism. That's just making a reference to something for no reason other than to try to make the audience think you're smarter than you actually are by letting them know you are aware of said thing. It's like the Big Bang Theory, only instead of lol im such a nerd it's lol im smart. It's not even an allusion, it's just Family Guy only with smarter references.
>>332223982
You are thinking about this word
>>332215837
As someone who got to watch two family members die of cancer. Wither or not there is an afterlife, if it's terminal, an extra year of living through some cases is not worth it.
If I got it as bad as my father or grandfather, I'd want it to be quick instead of dragged out like it was for them.
>>332223982
That's my point. That's what intellectualism has come to be: pretentious, thinly-veiled references to intelligent content, most often done in the form of visual evidence that tells you you're in the presence of somebody who considers themselves to be better educated. But it's the accepted, if not encouraged, form of expression in indie games; it's even the fucking stereotype of indie games to be seen as pretentious trash that sustains itself on self-acknowledgement. So why do they get angry when their consumer base doesn't tolerate their shit behaviour?
>>332219352
>video games do not serve a singular purpose in entertaining you
Holy shit this is verging on concepts like "artificial gameplay".
The second word in Video Game is GAME. A game's sole purpose is to entertain. That's why an interactive story isn't a "game". It's essentially just a movie where you have to keep hitting the 'play' button every so often.
>>332219523
Hell, he was probably banking on that to sell more copies.
>I spent my time developing this game instead of keeping my dying son company
>So buy this game to honor him or this game will have been a waste of his life!
>>332213692
Hit the nail pretty much on the head here anon. Because it's art, apparently, a lot a to think they're entitled to certain praise and cash, and can't be criticised.
