The continued fallout of Breeding Season closing.
Let's be honest, everyone with a brain knew the game was dead long ago. But it's still interesting to hear the reason why.
Though the story is debatable, it sounds legit to me.
Serves these degenerate fucks right
Didn't grab the assets from last thread like an idiot. Would a kind anon repost?
>>344993556
Where are more games where I can get fucked by monsters?
>>344993759
Do you really mean that? Or are you just fishing for (you)s?
(((Sandler)))
Has anyone broken into his dropbox yet?
Would be curious to see if he gets sued for that bit at the end their if people get ahold of that shit.
>>344993556
I hope H-Bomb or Mittsies takes Doxy up on his offer
Preferably without H-Bomb fucking it up again
>>344994126
I can still see it. He has 21 patrons, making 67 dollars.
>>344993556
Their patreon is private. Is there more to the story?
>>344994126
Asking for a Decryption Key
>>344994276
Doxy is pretty fucking prolific, and professional. I imagine he'll get the job done with fine quality. I'm still worried about the management of the project though. How much of the game is actually constructed? Could they really make the game, even with all the assets?
>>344994051
I do mean that, there's already loads of this hentai garbage out there, if you're scummy enough to risk your own money to make even more, you had this coming.
>>344994347
Go back to their patreon page and look harder.
>>344994283
>give up a patreon that's making several hundred thousands of dollars a year for a patreon that makes less money than Dobson.
Smh desu senpai
>>344994508
Right. You're in it for the (you)s. Read you loud and clear.
>>344993556
I've looked through the files.
At least 50% of the animation assets are not done so I'm thinking this game will never see the light of day.
>>344994609
it was $4 yesterday
he'll be making plenty of money by the end of the month
>>344994283
I can't see that page.
Can't see Team Nimbus at all.
>>344994609
I only just launched. He would probably get thousands of dollars on the new project too. If the shitty reputation doesn't hold him back.
>>344993556
>Tfw they actually started making more animations per month
>>344994726
Were you blocked? It's literally the patreon url and then "cloudmeadow".
>>344994051
If it was a pony game you would be posting the same thing, I bet.
>>344994869
Thanks.
Literally all they had to do was sit back and let the patreon money from idiots roll in.
>>344994747
As long as he releases a playable version like TiTs he will be fine, furfag will throw money for him
feels bad knowing that the stroke of genius that brought Underalterbach will probably never be rivaled
Vanilly is fucking cute
i want to protect her smile
If you want a real h-game.
>pic related
If it's well drawn, animated and has decent gameplay it's probably there.
>mfw the farm breeding shit was a chore and I'd rather have an RPG with combat anyway
best case scenario 2bh
>>344995187
name?
I'm not well versed in h-game lore.
So the plan is that the 16 patreons just leak the games right?
I don't know if I trust this guy. I think there is something else going on behind the scenes.
If the artists contract really was a good as he said then the only reason you would leave is if you had some reason to believe that the project was going to be coming to an end.
Who was in charge of the project anyways? What do the other people working on the project have to say about this?
>>344993556
Where can I read the full of it?
>>344995647
>the only reason you would leave is if you had some reason to believe that the project was going to be coming to an end
there's always autism
>>344995647
Don't underestimate how fucking illogical people can and do behave, at times.
>>344994126
I can't believe the download also fucking includes SAI
>>344993556
Where can I read the rest of that image?
>>344995436
What do you mean by name? Every name is listed there besides Succubus Fist.
>Doxy buying and reposting H-Bomb's side of the story
Ayyyyy Shwig is fucked for LIFE lmao
>>344995647
Personally I think what happened was they were ALL sick of working on it and had made enough money but were looking for a way out. Schwig agreed to go under the bus and take one for the team to create fake "drama" and they were able to pull the plug on the game suddenly.
If I had bilked retards out of hundreds of thousands of dollars for 3 years and I was getting sick of the idea, that's what I would do.
>>344995771
yeah that's strange
even stranger is why anyone would use SAI
>YFW this entire ordeal
>>344995056
>furfag will throw money for him
Maybe... Even furfags might not support him because of his rep now.
>>344995830
never mind, i didn't think ROBF was the name of the game
>>344995187
Parasite in City not on the list?
>>344995771
Who still uses SAI? I thought most people moved on to software that wasn't gimped as shit.
>>344995647
>muh other side of the story
schwigstein could have left any time he wanted and sold his assets to the dev
but he was getting $9000 a month to do nothing
then he decided it wasnt enough and made his own game and screwed over everyone, so all the patrons would come to his new game
>>344995771
what folder is it in?
So this shit is official canned? lmao
>>344995952
it's probably a symptom of autism
>>344995826
Remember to read the comment
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.ca/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html?zx=8ec626bcdc7a45c1
>>344995864
because it's the best drawing program
>>344995846
As someone who knows Shwig let me tell you, you're a fucking idiot if you think he would actually "take one for the team" - especially if there was this much money and credibility on the line.
>>344995970
Art assets
>>344995647
Those are fair questions. But at the same time, I think the more pressing question, is if S had enough gumption to begin his own project, then why didn't he put that energy into fixing the already running one?
>>344995906
>mfw the entire thing
>>344996108
in the same way a clay tablet and a stick is the best writing implement i guess
>>344993556
The whole thing was a hoax, hundreds of thousands of dollars paid and no progress in years. The only person who seemed to actually work on it was the artist so I'm not surprised he decided to cut off the parasitical "developers" and leave.
>>344996064
>Spoonfeeding
>Recommending reading the comments
You're the worst kind.
Both of these guys seem like assholes.
>>344996214
Thank you based anon
>>344996217
>if S had enough gumption to begin his own project, then why didn't he put that energy into fixing the already running one?
My guess is the other members of the team weren't working at all and he didn't have the authority to kick them out.
>>344995846
Why the fuck would anyone jeopardize their future crowdfunding "career" for a hundred grand or two?
That would be even more retarded than if the story was actually true.
It's fucking Patreon. If you want to run with the money, you fucking do it. Shit's legal.
If they'd simply disappeared off the face of the earth for a year and resurfaced with some bullshit cover story there would have been much less backlash.
>mfw I'm opening a Patreon soon for a comic.
Anyone have any suggestions on how to not thoroughly fuck it up? Anyone one, single golden rule to follow?
>>344995187
>ROBF translation never
>>344996425
this is what happens when you pour hundreds of thousands of dollars into incompetence
Vanilly and Hbomb's own (later) statements more or less verify the art team (including Schwig up until this month) was just pumping out art for no purpose, because Hbomb wasn't doing anything.
Vanilly's statement is more damning of Hbomb than Schwig, and the way Hbomb reacted to Schwig wanting to keep the art reflects badly on his character.
The most likely scenario is Schwig told Hbomb to not bother with hiring a project manager because Schwig felt Hbomb was just looking for excuses to not work.
>>344996492
Weekly content updates.
That's it, that's your one job.
Art reminds me of something you'd draw in paint.
>all those sweet butte animations
>all those hot cowmoms
>Ill never fuck the carpenter
>its all fucken over vaporware garbage
mfw
>>344996492
What's the comic about, famailia?
>>344996274
t. retard who has no idea what he's talking about
>>344996425
>What are you going to do, sue me?
>Said man who got sued.
>>344995771
Shit, maybe I should finally learn how to draw.
>>344996425
>then sue me
I'd love to see the look on that judges face when he has to review a case about one guy trying to get his dickgirl cow porn back.
>>344996492
Porn makes money
Futa porn makes more money
Furry futa porn makes a lot of money
As long as your art is not shit of course
>>344996578
>Art reminds me of something you'd draw in paint.
you would be correct in that assumption
>>344996492
Is it a solo endeavor?
If so, stay true to your schedule and be honest to people.
If it's a team effort, just make sure you actually know who you're dealing with and be prepared to bust some ass.
>>344996492
Either commit to continual updates or start the campaign well after you've got the project established.
>>344996330
I ggogle first but it lead to clsed page. I assumed everything had been removed already.
>>344996064
Thank you.
Serves him right for writing such a shit contract
>>344996425
How does Hartista come off like an asshole there? schwig pulled some insane shit, essentially stealing 200k from Patrons and then is refusing to sell the assets, effectively making the project kill.
No shit he's pissed and is saying sell them to me or I'll sue you. It's 3 years of work down the shitter.
>>344996492
Do your job on time.
>>344996492
Do not sign contracts. Do not work with people. Only do commissions and personal projects. If you want to make an porn game but you can't program, LEARN IT. Don't hire someone. become a one man army and never rely on anyone.
>>344996724
There was never "3 years of work" to begin with
>>344996425
He is not an asshole, just retarded.
>>344996720
>I assumed everything had been removed already.
The link was in your face.
>>344996594
are you just trolling or are you going to give one (just one) reason not to use GIMP as a freeware option over SAI
>>344996724
>essentially stealing 200k from Patrons
The whole project has been nothing but stealing from patrons. They have made no progress and showed no signs of even trying to finish it.
>>344996492
Fuck off Mike. You're never going to get above 50$
>>344996724
I'm pretty sure that an actually competent programmer could hammer the current "game" out in about a month, tops.
The art is where the work hours are.
>>344996425
I don't get it, even assuming S-purple sells those assets to HBomb is it possible for BS team to make new contents with the same art direction as S-purple? If not then why would he want it? 2 different art styles likely would break the game in half if he's not careful
>>344994356
Its working for me, you clearly lack internets.
>>344996948
SAI is designed as a drawing program, GIMP is designed as a photo editing program.
What was Shwig's ethnicity again?
>>344996948
>GIMP
You couldn't have invalidated any opinion you have fast enough.
Impressive.
>>344996948
Because Krita exists and it's also freeware.
>>344994609
Wait and see bro. Wait and see. Degenerates love this stuff.
>>344996492
Make sure you have the appropriate talents. If you can't write, get a writer to work with you and split the Patreon. Commit to a schedule.
>>344997043
>I'm pretty sure that an actually competent programmer could hammer the current "game" out in about a month, tops.
>The art is where the work hours are.
This. The guy acts like it's some kind of a huge injustice how S took 50% of their profits, when he should have taken like 95%.
>>344995187
Which of these games contains m on m?
>>344996918
Still can't see it in OP's pic.
>make porn game with ivan
>ivan leaves with art
>dispute ensues
>lets go to court
Imagine a judge and jury and people in the seats watching the court case and two fucking autists argue over fury bestiality porn art of big titty women getting raped by demon horse cocks and drinking gallons of cum.
Lmao
>>344993556
>Your game will never get patreon'd
>You'll never get paid for game devving.
I feel sad now.
>>344997046
>I don't get it, even assuming S-purple sells those assets to HBomb is it possible for BS team to make new contents with the same art direction as S-purple? If not then why would he want it?
He wants them because if he has access to them, he can continue to pretend to "work" on the game and get thousands of dollars per month doing nothing.
>>344996492
Set a goal, which must include a deadline. Work your ass off to meet it, then set another. Dont ever stop nor make excuses.
Breeding Season was a turd anyway.
I've had more fun breeding monstergirls in an angry birds clone than in a game with a gameplay directly made for it.
>>344997274
Watch it be the same judge that did Chris Chan's trial
>>344997107
Vietnamese.
>>344997392
Did youbuy it?
>>344997156
what is Krita? Spoonfeed me
>>344997235
It was right there in their patreon page.
>>344993556
>People donated money for an animal porn game
This is life in 2016.
Why the fuck would you even trust a Russian or eastern European trash?
>>344997435
>Vladimir Sandler
>Victor Charlie
>>344997274
>>344996665
Imagine being the guy that has to look through all the proof and artwork and ensure it's all valid.
>>344993556
Hbomb was an incompetent manager and an even worse programmer.
The game was never going to be completed as long as he was involved.
>>344997275
What? Don't you know how Patreon works? You literally just sign up and ask for money. That's it. there's nothing stopping you from utilizing Patreon.
>>344997545
trial stream when so I can see the jury's reaction
>>344996557
>>344996592
>>344996678
>>344996704
>>344996718
Currently there's two of us, an artist and myself, the writer. He draws what I ask and I do practically everything else.
The plan was to offer a free comic as a sample so people know to expect as far as quality before I dared asked for money. Depending how much we can earn during the "trial period" will dictate how often we can release content. Considering the workload of the artist outside of this project, weekly will most likely never happen, but our intention was to only charge per page anyway, so we always have something to show for other people's money. If we can make enough, we're probably looking at a schedule of a page per month with some bonus pictures. Patrons of all tiers will have a say in what the bonus content is.
The comic itself is a Cowboy Bebop style story progression (mostly self contained "episodes" with an over arching story throughout, each of the characters having a past to deal with) set in a Witcher style setting, medieval with monsters and demons and what not. The two main characters take on bounties and monster contracts to make ends meet.
I COULD show the first page. But it's cute girls kissing each other, I don't think anyone would be into that
>>344997551
Shwig is a fucking retard as well.
Failed game after failed game. Anyone who invests in him is just as fucking retarded.
>>344996678
It can still be shit, you just have to be consistent. People will buy a shit style as long as it is guaranteed to be in the same shit style
>>344994126
>404
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
Its up and running mate.
>>344996959
no they made progress, but they didn't have any skills, talent or knowhow
it's the equivalent of giving some Amish the task of building a skyscraper because you like the barn they built
>>344997126
yeah nice argument kiddo
>>344997071
GIMP is versatile enough to be a drawing program, heck photoshop is a great drawing program which is why I said GIMP because it's the freeware photoshop option
>>344997156
didn't know about Krita but it seems that would be what you'd use as a freeware option for drawing
>>344997170
the biggest problem is the animation assets from what I've seen
>>344997593
I'm not good at shillingand I don't want to scam anyone.
>>344995660
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.com/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html
>>344997634
>I COULD show the first page. But it's cute girls kissing each other, I don't think anyone would be into that
>>344997551
I think this was the sole reason Schwig made another Patreon.
I really get the impression Schwig got sick of Hbomb holding the team back.
>People are already donating to Schwig's game
>He doesn't even have a programmer
You know what I don't even care. Anyone retarded enough to get scammed that bad deserves it.
>>344997634
Shill somewhere else faggot
>>344997634
>cute girls kissing each other
Yeah who would want to see that.
>>344996425
>Stick a terrible bowtie on all the character models
>Copyright the new images
>Since they were made as part of a company he has the right to alter them
>Once altered he can claim to own them because of how retarded copyrights regarding images work, the only restriction being the initial rights to alter the works.
That's how you kill the jew, you out jew them.
>>344997634
>He draws what I ask and I do practically everything else.
you mean he does the only thing that matters in a comic while you're the idea guy
Money ruins absolutely everything, and it was completely obvious how mismanaged the whole project was.
It is still actually incredible they were able to keep the 30k a month from retard going for as long as they did with absolutely no content. Degenerates looking for dickgirl porn really can throw their autismbux around if they want, I guess.
>>344997763
the secret is to be the first one to scam the idiots, while they still have money to spend, see.
>>344997449
>buying porn
>buying games
>buying porn games
What's wrong with you
>>344997634
>Artist can only do a page a month.
Boy, off to a bad start already.
>>344997462
Literally google it, it's the first result.
It has animation tools more recently so it's pretty cool.
>>344997634
>idea guy antics
Fuck off.
>>344997634
You should show what work you've done if your sole job is writing then you should be a good fucking writer.
>>344997634
>i'm the ideas guy!
of course you are
>>344997462
https://krita.org/en/
I think it is marketed as an anime style drawing tool but I kinda just use it for whatever. Plenty of custom brush sets you can download too to fit whatever style you want.
>>344997731
It's only a scam if you flake. If you're a flaky person, then yeah, don't bother.
But if you're professional, put in your time, and get the job done, then there's literally nothing wrong for asking for money to work.
>>344997950
>>344997890
>doesn't know the difference between a writer and an ideas guy
>>344993556
>He received over $190,000 worth of patron money over the course of this project
Jesus, why aren't they teaching Patreon scamming in schools? Or are they?
>>344996463
>Didn't have enough authority to kick them out
>Was de-facto main partner for the entire project, art team leader ect.
Yeah, nah.
>have no playable game
>make a patreon anyway
why is this allowed?
Who the fuck thinks patreon is a good way to support a game?
By it's very concept you are incentivizing these developers to avoid finishing their games, they get paid by the month rather than by the product.
It's a terrible idea.
>>344998001
Gee senpai it must be super hard to write for a generic porn comic.
>>344997634
>page a month
Dead on arrival. Not even Berserk is that slow.
>>344996532
All are translated besides robfeoy. Robfeoy.. There is something in progress but only I and the translator know.
>tfw no kemobara dungeon crawler
>>344998020
Because he realized people who donated to BS are fucking morons, so all he has to do is pretend he will have something and he'll get 100% of the dosh.
>>344997713
>GIMP is versatile enough to be a drawing program, heck photoshop is a great drawing program
If you actually drew things, you would know how much of a difference it makes for a program to be designed for drawing first, rather than editing first.
You can draw with Photoshop, much like how you can knife fight with a Macgyver knife. But it's not the right tool for the job. People use things like SAI because they are the right tool.
>>344996552
I'm a bit more upset at Schwig than anyone. He embezzled funding and went behind everyone's back.
>>344997713
>GIMP is versatile enough to be a drawing program, heck photoshop is a great drawing program which is why I said GIMP because it's the freeware photoshop option
both of them are worse than sai for drawing, and photoshop is an extremely heavy program because it's made for fucking photo editing, not drawing
you could have atleast said something like clip studio paint, but you're completely clueless
>>344995906
These threads aren't getting 700+ responses for nothing.
It's interesting to see the most funded furry porn project on the internet falling apart.
>>344997156
i wish i could use Krita 3.0 every time i make a canvas greater than 1000x1000, it stops working
the new animation features looks cool.
hopefully they fix it
>>344997702
>jew people out of 200k
>run off with the work and start identical patreon with no programmer
>request 9k a month so it can be your "full time job"
Holy shit, the motza balls on this jew
>>344997813
I understand that, and that's why he gets a bigger cut. I do the writing for the story, characters, a lot of pre-production stuff and I also have to manage the Patreon page itself, when it launches.
If nothing else, I'm self aware, I know any hack can write, and I won't pretend my stuff is good unless someone else says otherwise. I've made it clear that I'm basically piggybacking of his success, and he's fine with it, as long as he gets paid.
>>344998159
Are you using the official release or the beta release?
>>344997046
Well among other things, any actual, real professional artist can replicate that kind of style easily
>>344997107
Also everyone ignoring this important point
>>344997392
Name?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5HkuhSEnPQ >thread theme
>>344997634
>I COULD show the first page
Or you can make the first vol free, then release the next vol for free 3 months after your backers get it first
>>344997857
I want to support good dev and I got cash to spend
Reminder that Monster Girl Island is a much better project on patreon.
>>344998159
Hm, I haven't started mine up in a while but I made pictures larger than that and it didn't crash. What is your specs?
>>344996425
I would do eaxactly the same as HBomb, there. After pulling my ass to make a project come true, it make sense to everything I can to save it.
The only asshole here is S-Purple.
>>344998020
Because Patreon was made specifically to support ongoing projects.
>>344998192
you're now a cuck ideas guy who's working with a jew
GG
>(((Sandler)))
Can you even trust a single fucking jew?
>>344998012
One of the guys he would have needed to kick out was H-bomb himself. There was no way to do that, so instead he kicked himself out.
>>344997665
It was free money at that point too. Money that a lot of people were still willing to put down on the project even if it was moving slowly.
Shwig not only blew the best deal he'll ever get but he burned every fucking bridge in the process - and now he's trying to make ANOTHER game in a similar genre that's saying "hey yeah I knew you gave a lot of money for me in that one game but give it to me in this one instead"?
No one's going to want to work for him other than a complete fucking yes man who hasn't done research, and even that is going to be less beneficial for him than it was to be a fucking team player which he's proven time and time again that he is incapable of being.
He thought he out-played H-Bomb but in reality he out-played himself.
>people are actually donating to a game that doesnt even have a demo yet
>people are donating to the one that shwiged them in breeding season
furfags are really starving for content, t be that stupid
>>344997634
>one page a month
You could write the best comic in history (you wont) and it still wouldnt be capable of holding people's attention at that pace.
>>344998052
a dev can actually set their patreon to be by the product though
>>344998192
He's clearly not fine with it if he's making a page a month. I'm the laziest mother fucker I know and I could do a page in like, a week of non effort.
>/v/ Never talked about this game
>Everyone was following it secretly
>Now that there's drama, people come out of the woodworks with their speculation and opinions
Good show everybody.
>>344998129
I find Photoshop very easy to draw with. Photoshop tends to have better layer options too. I enjoy the technical aspects of photoshop.
Should have known this after Broquest barely even got off the ground. Never trust a /v/irgin to follow through on a project. If they do, it is winning the damn lotto.
>>344993556
Having read the whole thing (and been on the ride since it started), I'm going to give my 2 cents:
1.) What Schwig did isn't illegal, wrong, or whatever else. It's a dick move depending on your point of view, but he was well within his rights to do what he did. H-Bomb is being a dramatic faggot, as evidenced by that entire article he wrote. If he didn't want this happening, he should have made an actual contract that said all assets belong to Breeding Season and cannot be used elsewhere. Much like the majority of idiots on the internet however, he did not.
2.) Schwig has probably fucked himself over. I personally would have stayed on the gravy train and continued to rake in money for doing basically nothing (as evidenced by the AMAZING progress BS was making), but apparently Schwig has other plans. Either he's gone full jew and wants more than the supposed 50% he was getting, or he's actually doing this for a non-malicious reason (as in, he actually wants to make a goddamn game that will be finished). Only time will tell I suppose.
3.) Leaking the assets in a pissy fashion just shows that H-Bomb is a fucking child. It doesn't harm Schwig in the slightest because they're not being used for profit (and he can continue to make his new game thing), and it just makes H-Bomb look like a whiny immature brat.
>>344998460
>uninteresting game finally has something to talk about
>people are talking about it
no way
>>344997857
I've done all 3 of these things and I'm still livin' mofugga.
>>344998460
We most certainly spoke of this game, newfriend.
>>344998290
>After pulling my ass to make a project come true,
He did nothing of the sort.
This is an incredibly small and simple game that should have been completed in a month if the project lead was halfway serious about it. They STILL don't have a version that has all the mechanics and story content in place. Not even close.
If the only thing left to do was S to get off his ass and finish the art, it would be S's fault, but it looked more like S was the only guy working and the rest were just lighting their blunts with 100 dollar bills.
>"ruined" bro quest
>ruined this game
>Made off with a shitload of money in the process.
How tall is Schwig? How tall are all the other Kickstarter Money grabbers? Is there a statistically significant correlation between height and willingness to scam people?
How much were they getting per month by the end?
>>344998460
It's cause there was nothing to talk about, I would go on the other chan every 2 months do dl the latest swf and it was the same boring shit with nothing new. The only fun part was what a clusterfuck it was, and this is just the grand finale.
Is there a playable game in the assets?
>>344998460
/v/ did, threads were rare but sometimes /v/ would complain about the slow updates and retard decisions of Fen
>>344998674
yes, drag the swf into chrome
>>344998580
Very very speradically. And I say that as a furfaggot who spends way too much time on /v/.
>>344997634
>>344998408
Listen to that guy. Not much happens on a single page in the first place, it being a comic.
If it's not one of the top10 artists and each page was fapworthy in itself (which would wreck the story/pacing) I wouldn't even bother with that shit for fucking free at that pace.
>>344998654
It's not the size of his whole body you should be worrying about.
>>344998373
I won't disagree that the project was DOA, but leaving the way he did was fucked up. Just man up and say I'm out, don't keep taking money just to take the assets and run, then literally make a patreon for the exact same game with a new name quickly after.
They both are scam artists, so ultimately it doesn't really matter, but neither SHOULD have success going forward. but we all know how retarded people are today so he'll probably be making that sweet dosh soon enough.
>>344995187
>kyrieru
this guy, does not know what he really wants.
how many times did he start a new game until he was sick of it and went to do something else instead?
>>344998750
Thanks bru
Damn..
Looks like I'm going to have to rethink our strategy here, possibly entirely.
Thanks anon, for putting things in perspective. Even if your comment was cancerous, it was still helpful.
The best I can do now is show you a sample of our sample. Let me know what you think.
>>344998280
am i fucked?
>western porn
>drama
you dont say
>>344998753
>sporadically
Well imagine that. That's how frequent the updates got near the end.
>>344998909
find someone who can do faces
So when is there gonna be a big scandal where someone reveals Fenoxo just spends all his patreon money on dragon dildos and barely writes a paragraph of text a month?
>Every update to TiTS is just dickgirls that aren't aliens so much as furries
>>344998541
There was nothing stopping Shwig to go work on other games if the one he made work for had all it's assets completed. He wasn't contractually bound to working on Breeding Season exclusively. He worked on a whole bunch of LD games, finished work on Shoulderon and also had another original game in the works already which he seems to have completely forgotten about (which is fucking hilarious cause it had all the telltales of being a game designed by Shwig).
So instead of toughing things out with BS, supporting his team mates and getting way more money he just takes his ball and goes home? Shit makes no goddamn sense.
It was furry shit, who cares
>>344998129
>>344998146
I guess we can agree that it doesn't matter which program you use if it has the right options, SAI is severely lacking in some basic functions though
photoshop has so many features that make life easy
and same for GIMP I guess since it's basically on par at this point
>>344998909
Looks like your run-of-the-mill webcomic, to be honest.
>>344997634
>a page per month
that's complete crap
that's literally half a chapter per year
just fucking forget about it
>>344993870
Check with /d/
>>344998909
>asking money for this turd
>>344998909
>sample
>mouth is on the side of the face
>>344998460
>/v/ Never talked about this game
You must be new, we have talking about the stupid amount of money people were donating to it for months.
>>344998753
How do you discuss something which is in development for 2 years but somehow seems to lose content over time rather than gain it?
I mean, in the same span of time DirtyC101 technically made more progress on his furry game by doing literally nothing. Breeding Season removed multiple animations with various updates putting them backwards.
>>344998909
>those faces
>generic animu yuri comic
>>344998909
good luck idea guy
>>344998909
why are farts coming from the ground
what happened to your faaaaaaaaaace
>this is it...
>ben known
>most promising madens
QUALITY gold
>>344999026
I thought it was a given that he does that.
>>344999027
>So instead of toughing things out with BS, supporting his team mates and getting way more money he just takes his ball and goes home? Shit makes no goddamn sense.
That's my point exactly. It seems illogical to just drop the work for BS since he was making good money on it.
He's either beyond retarded and greedy (and thinks he can get more money than what he was getting with BS), or we're all wrong and he's actually, genuinely trying to make a game that will be finished.
Like I said, only time will tell. I'll probably throw him the $2 it costs to get a copy of his game, if only to see what he's trying to sell to the masses.
>>344999094
Funny enough, this is a pet peeve of mine, but I let it go.
Fuck me.
>>344998909
there it is lads
thank crowdfunding for having shitty artwork like this
>>344998909
so that takes a month
what the fuck
>>344994276
>Doxy making lewd monster vidya
Best ending this game can have
What a scam.
Are there lot's of furries with cash to throw around?
Some scientist should have got them to fund human animal hybrid experiments.
>>344998010
they do the tech industry takes advantage of venture capitalists with too much money and too little sense
>>344998909
THIS IS A MONTHS WORTH OF EFFORT?
>>344998909
This is pure garbage
The whole western drawn porn scene is a joke
How do the japanese do it guys?
>>344998818
Just watch both projects continue to get $10k/m without any updates or even a whiff of a finished version.
>>344998541
>3.) Leaking the assets in a pissy fashion just shows that H-Bomb is a fucking child. It doesn't harm Schwig in the slightest because they're not being used for profit (and he can continue to make his new game thing), and it just makes H-Bomb look like a whiny immature brat.
I didsagree. the reason H-Bomb did this was because he considered it was the least his patron deserved for supporting his project, yet couldn't do it. So he did what he did.
>>344994132
Literally pne hour after he made his blog post.
You can find links to its contents in this very thread.
>>344994276
Where have I seen that name? Who is this artist and where did they make the offer?
>>344999027
>So instead of toughing things out with BS, supporting his team mates and getting way more money he just takes his ball and goes home? Shit makes no goddamn sense.
I assume there's something more to it since even if he's a prick it's unreasonable to walk away from the free money and self destruct.
Or maybe he's an incredibly delusional shithead. After recent csgo diamonds scandal i fully expect people to be all sorts of retarded.
>>344998618
>If the only thing left to do was S to get off his ass and finish the art, it would be S's fault, but it looked more like S was the only guy working and the rest were just lighting their blunts with 100 dollar bills.
i am getting the opposite of that. not that I am saying H-bomb worked really hard, but it look like Vanilla did most of the job.
>>344999409
>tl;dr: Ctrl+F "Mega"
For all those dumb, retarded faggots.
Man, first the Liru game and now this, the Liru game wasnt canned but it was just so lame, now this is fucked too.Whens Violated heroine actually finished, is it still being developed?
>>344998939
"Additional Notes: Graphics -tablet recommended. Actual system/video memory requirements vary depending on image size."
I'm guessing you either don't have enough RAM or good enough Graphics card to process images larger than 1000x1000 or a combination of the two
>>344999395
What the "patron deserved" was a finished goddamn game after how many years. H-Bomb is just as responsible as Schwig and all the other team members for not releasing the fucking game already. If anything, H-Bomb should throw out a finished version (you know, actually finish the fucking mechanics) and let people compile it with the leaked assets. That way you get a finished game, and H-Bomb doesn't technically need the assets to finish it.
>>344998541
I don't think it's fair to call someone a dramatic faggot, when they just had the livelihood, and work pulled from under them.
H-Bomb makes a fair case that Schwig was using his power to weigh the project down. Regardless of how the contract was made, it was made. And because of it's stipulations, Schwig could make unreasonable demands.
Working on another project, while you're supposed to be working on the current one, is shitty.
Not communicating with your team is shitty.
Demanding the assets is really shitty too. Because, ownership or not, those images belong to the team from a moral standpoint.
>>344998654
>>"ruined" bro quest
How did he ruin Bro quest?
I don't think providing art for a text based adventure ruin anything.
Anons, I'm thinking about donating 2 dollarydoo's to this guy, talk me out of it
>>344999137
>>344998971
That's why it surprises me how big the interest suddenly is once it gets canceled.
This is the third or fourth long thread.
this just goes to show, fc dev is the only dev you can trust
>>344999376
>Just watch both projects continue to get $10k/m
The Breeding season Patreon is shot down.
>>344999062
I'd recommend trying Krita to see if you like it. I use to use GIMP and SAI myself but fell in love with Krita
>>344998208
offical release
see specs >>344998939
when i start with a small canvas and increase, its fine, but i notice slowdown lag when i draw on a 2k canvas
>>344999564
i figured that was the problem, I have shitty Intel HD
>>344999627
Who?
>>344996492
do some "pay per update" instead of per month, that'll prevent you from going full breeding season and not doing anything
>>344999627
Are you okay with throwing money in the trash because that's effectively what you're doing.
If you want the demo, it will leak.
If you want the finished game you're shit out of luck.
>>344999582
>those images belong to the team from a moral standpoint.
And not from a legal standpoint, which is all that matters. Again, Schiwg did nothing illegal, unethical, or immoral according to a Court of Law. He simply used the powers given to him via his contract. H-Bomb is a bumbling idiot and only has himself to blame for this, as he should have been far more careful and crafted a proper contract (and hired a fucking lawyer to write the contract, at that).
>>344999097
Seriously though?
It's like I still hear more about Morenatsu on /v/ than I ever did about this.
>>344999545
What were you guys even expecting from liru? He has other work on the Internet.
>giving a shit about yet another furfag turd
It died years ago like CoC and TiTS.
>>344999676
certainly will
>>344999642
Because this is fucking hilarious.
A thousand furries got cucked hard by Russian indie devs.
>>344998909
seriously dont bother with it
the art isnt good, you wont get shit on patreon and you'll quit a few months later
>>344998567
>drama is the only thing to talk about
>on the vidya board
Unfortunately you are right.
>>344999681
Well slow down is to be expected but crashing shouldn't happen.
You can always draw low res, vectorize it then upscale it, that is when the vector update gets released.
>>344999094
Uh? the mouths are all well placed? What gives?
>>344999865
It's one of their few updates.
>>344999895
Feel your cheek, is your mouth there?
Reminder that this shit exists
https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan?ty=h
I dont get the "TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN" mind set when its a big internet project
Like, anyone who searches his name the in future is gonna see he stole shit or whatever, doesnt he care that this is gonna keep coming back on him years from now?
>>344999867
Crashing aka Hanging most certainly can and usually does happen to any program once RAM or VRAM caps out. Especially if it can't write page files fast enough
>>344998909
>Looks like I'm going to have to rethink our strategy here
Rethink getting into comics at all.
>>344993556
I wonder if Shwig will stick to people who keep him humble from now on
>>344998909
I run one of the top 100 webcomic patreons. Believe me when I say that if your artist can only do one page a month, then you are completely fucked and this project will never go anywhere. Do not go into business with someone so unreliable. We do two pages a week at minimum, more if we can plus various art rewards, and I feel like that's a good minimum standard for any webcomic.
From a comic-making standpoint, the art is actually one of the better things about this comic. It's got a cute style and some pretty decent coloring, even if it's a little generic. But your writing is sloppy. Bad dialogue, bad grammar, bad structuring. Try to keep your dialogue to one sentence per balloon. The way you have it now, especially line five ("the storm"), doesn't read well at all. Also, you really don't need ellipsis in their own speech balloon. The expression conveys enough, and if they're not talking, then don't add a speech balloon.
Also, not that I'm complaining, but why such a sloppy, drool-soaked lesbian makeout session in the forest? Is this a porn comic? Nothing you said before indicated it would be porn.
>>344999754
>And not from a legal standpoint, which is all that matters.
That's not all that matters, unless you're a greedy jew. Signing a contract does not make the terms of the contract ethical.
This isn't some some genie tale where you have to be careful what you wish for, or face some ironic outcome.
>>344999895
I think he's talking about the bottom left panel. The guy.
But that's a common animu abstraction, so it's a weird thing to point out.
>>344999979
>50k a month
>>345000026
I guess I wouldn't know, I never used anything but ms paint until I got a good comprinter.
>>344999771
It became a meme, and you cant live up to meme magic.
>>345000020
Look at bernie sanders
>>344999754
Illegal and immoral isn't the same thing.
>>344999642
It's noteworthy. For me, in spite of long updates I saw S-Purple was a good artist, so based on that I was interested in the game.
>>344999831
You could put it that way yes. I didn't give them a single scent so the schadenfreude is tasty.
>>344999865
This too.
>>345000020
Surprise surprise, criminals as it turns out, are not all that intelligent.
>>344999957
Oh, I finally noticed the frame you were talking about. Thought you were talking of the one on the bottom right. But you were talking of the one on the bottom left?
>>344998541
>as in, he actually wants to make a goddamn game that will be finished
I'm sure he'll be well on his way to attain that goal making a patreon without even having a programmer.
You're not even fooling yourself.
>>344999979
>Puts out a lot of high quality fanservice
Just because you're jealous, doesn't mean anyone else should give a shit what you think.
>>344999792
>he didn't become a mantis in the xianxia mod
>>344999979
Pls no.
I bring this up to my students as an example of grey area copyright infringement.
>>344998541
>and it just makes H-Bomb look like a whiny immature brat.
Actually, it makes him look like a generous guy who cares about the community, because now we get to see all that was for BS instead of getting lost because Schwig won't let them be used.
>>344999979
>none of them can backgrounds
>like, 5400 or 2700 a month
>>344998909
>that
>Maiden
fucking slut
>>344999867
funnily enough, i use to work on SAI at that size and didnt get any slowdown, but my tablet all of a sudden doesnt register anymore and Krita besides GIMP was the only alternative that my tablet worked with.
>>345000026
so i have insufficent RAM or a shitty graphics card?
i used to get PFN_LIST_CORRUPT a couple of times, should i just shell out fr a new PC?
>>345000296
>high quality
Stop.
It's all the fucking same trash. And a lot of it is even commisioned. So people pay to look at pictures she's already been paid to paint.
All of it copyrighted characters.
>>345000350
50.000 a month
>>344999576
>H-Bomb is just as responsible as Schwig and all the other team members for not releasing the fucking game already.
Do a lot of people have this mind set? Is it so hard to believe one single person can fuck a whole project no matter how hard the other work?
How many of you have worked on something big as a team?
How long do you think these threads will last on /v/? It's kinda like a thunder storm isn't it?
When it happened every time a thread hit bump limit a new one was up, then they slowly spaced out.
When a thread dies it takes a while for a new one to pop up. When are people gunna stop caring? It'll pop up again if s-purple says anything about it I guess.
I feel like this may be related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wy3zA3LxG4
Do you get the impression that this whole event was planned by both H-bomb and S-Purple?
They've likely both embezzled all the money and just used a breakup as an excuse to end the project.
What are the chances they'll get punished for this?
Zero most likely, so why wouldn't they do it?
>>344997736
Sounds like Shwig's influence on Broquest all over again. Oodles of doodles of side characters not even establish or in line with the plot and lore, fuckall else. Endless scope inflation like a shitty manga, no substance.
>>345000116
No matter what you do first impression must be perfect anon
>>344999979
It doesn't look so bad. I am sure there are tons of worst patreon than that.
>>345000328
Ah yes, I can see the issue, there.
>>344999979
how much were the breedingfags making per month by the end? Screenshots of the patreon page welcome
>>345000449
Deer lord
>>344999771
More than what it was, It ws just so bland for how well made it looks. The hype machine has no brakes, no more hype.
>>344999545
i know i was fucking satisfied from Liru, you're probably one of the people that wanted anal
>>345000174
Ethical = the expected standard to perform by. Being unethical means you knowingly performed worse than the standard (AKA a doctor fucking up a job because he knew he was drunk).
Moral = the expected norm of the current area/region. Being immoral means to break the "norms" of that area/region. Also known as the "spirit" of the law. Even if it isn't illegal, people try to avoid being dicks. However, you can be a dick if you want to be.
Legal = the written law. Breaking the written law is illegal, you get the idea.
TL;DR: Schwig didn't break the law or ethics, so nothing else matters.
Everyone needs to get over it and understand that they probably would have made a similar move if they were given the chance (assuming that the future game will earn him similar/more profit than BS).
>>345000452
I've worked for a few decades now, and H-Bomb is still to blame. He's a retard for not keeping his team in check, he's a double retard for not getting contracts properly drafted, and he's a triple retard for not having a backup plan in case something like this happened.
I find it hilarious that people are trying to crucify Schwig for something that isn't even remotely illegal.
>>345000483
They'll most likely be gone by tomorrow.
Was S-Purple the guy that did the Broquest drawings?
>>345000575
20-30K.
>>344999545
Didn't play the liru game yet, but what was wrong with it? The previews looked good.
lot of fun shit in this repo
>>345000606
>TL;DR: Schwig didn't break the law or ethics, so nothing else matters.
He did not break the law, what he did was immoral and unethical. By your own definitions.
H-bomb is still an idiot.
>>345000606
If morality mattered to these people they wouldn't be making a porno game about fucking animals to begin with.
You can't trust furries.
>>344999741
I just want breeding porn that is some what competent, all the other BS clones I've seen have been 3D animu trash.
>>345000606
>I find it hilarious that people are trying to crucify Schwig for something that isn't even remotely illegal.
Uuuh? you are aware that there is tons of dickmoves that still are perfectly legal. Doesn't mean people will not be displeassed by it and not call the person a dick for it.
>>344999979
Could be worse. At least the art is passable. It could be someone getting tons of money for complete shit art, like breeding season.
>>345000452
>Do a lot of people have this mind set?
Well if they really were in it 50/50 then yes, I am of the opinion that it's the fault of them both. They both sailed their ship into the sharp cliffs with not actually having a proper production pipeline going.
>>344998909
Heres the thing, if this was the quality that was pumped out weekly itd be fine, monthly is a bad set back. Its not bad by any means, but a month to complete? Your drawfag needs to draw faster, speed of content deliver is always what produces money in comics, not even the quality of the content itself, just how often you output.
>>345000427
>Not high quality
Stop. it's clear your jealousy is in proportion to the money she's making, so of course you're unwilling to admit her art is great.
Who cares if it's copyrighted characters? She's not tracing or copying, is she?
If you think about it, crowdfunding is always paying for what was already paid for. Think about it, every other shmuck already paid for the content right? So what does your contribution matter? Why pay for it? You pay, simple because you think it's personally worth it to yourself.
>>345000419
>PFN_LIST_CORRUPT
Were there any numbers with that error? By itself I can't really tell what that means. Either way though looking at your specs in general I would recommend something newer.
>>345000763
You will not get it by promising to give a Russian $2/month to never finish such a game.
>>345000723
>all ideas, art, and jack shit for gameplay
It's literally Broquest 2.0, but with tons of money funneled into it instead. Should have hired a fucking manager.
How do I open the .fla files
Flash 22 just gives me nothing
>>344995146
hell yeah my man
>>345000523
it would have been better for the no-name programmer slob to take the fall intead of the talented art guy with a future. Now the art guy has a bad rep and the programmer is dead in the water anyway.
>>345000736
He didn't do anything unethical, according to his contract. You can't be unethical unless the standards are written down (which they weren't).
>>345000774
Exactly. By all means, you can say he was a dick, but he's done nothing wrong. You're also kidding yourself if you think anyone donated to BS for anything but Schwig's art. The game is literally nothing without him.
>>345000886
Apparently Schwig vetoed that.
>>345000656
Doesn't live up to the hype and some anon are tired of waiting
/v/ will defend this!
>>345000523
Sounds like you need to take off your tinfoil hat.
But also I can't say I agree because this kind of put purple in the dog house status wise, since instead of a break up it was more like purple fucked everybody over and was the only one to do anything wrong.
>>345000829
>so of course you're unwilling to admit her art is great.
Her art is not great.
>Who cares if it's copyrighted characters?
The law ought to.
>You pay, simple because you think it's personally worth it to yourself.
I'm not upset that morons feel like paying her.
I'm upset she gets away with it.
>>345000929
He's got enough russian dollars to retire happily, his reputation doesn't matter.
DID PURPLE TAKE DOWN HIS FUCKING PATREON ?
>>345000941
>You can't be unethical unless the standards are written down
You gonna keep changing the definition of things until you're correct?
>>345000580
>bland
it was basically a waifu sim game for him, what did you want exactly? 50 muscled black men giving her the mating press in a row?
>>345001001
I wish i could draw
>>344999545
>Whens Violated heroine actually finished
>wanting VH to be finished instead of eternally developed
Fuck off.
>>345000886
Looks like the artist was dreaming up worldbuilding lore shit without even the main gameplay being done.
No wonder he wanted to bail and just make his own thing using all his ideas that were in limbo with this dead farm game.
>>345001045
It's up to 72 dollars and no, please learn how to control the F my little anon friend
>>345001001
I wish I had the willpower to try and invade the furry fandom to make bank but no, I'll just settle for being a medical assistant.
>>345001001
Damn
Why havent' I practiced my art properly yet
>>345001001
>$100 for a sketch
If I could draw I'd extort furries so much.
>>345000904
hello
>>345001001
No way anyone buys this shit, not even furfags are that retarded right?
>>345001001
>Guy with a huge name in furry porn would rather draw just a few commissions for the people that can afford it than a hundred for whiny snots.
I don't see the issue here.
>>345001070
Me too.
>>345001159
Not him but got a link?
>>345001191
Anon...
>>345001062
he's right, ethics is a cultural standard
for example it's unethical to murder someone unless you're a muslim and your daughter lost her virginity without being married
I'm not arguing for moral relativity here but ethics doesn't have anything to do with morals except being influenced by it no matter what google says.
>>345001156
>No wonder he wanted to bail and just make his own thing using all his ideas that were in limbo with this dead farm game.
He's gonna have great success doing that without a programmer or a team.
>>345000836
shit i dont have a screencap of the error
at least Krita 2.9 runs like a dream
i guess new PC it is then, thanks for your help anon
>>345001168
Just draw mediocrely and make sure your name isn't attatched to anything.
As long as you can stomach the gross fetishes you'll make bank on that spank
>>345001062
That's not the legal definition of unethical, you silly person. To quote, "Behavior that falls below or violates the professional standards in a particular field". His standards were not defined by a contract, and I don't know many artists that have set an ethical standard for drawing cowgirls with dicks.
>>345001191
Guess who buy sparrow art
>>345000941
>Exactly. By all means, you can say he was a dick, but he's done nothing wrong
Right/Wrong and legal/illegal are two different ntion.
One could say he has done wrong.
I think the most important bit here is is the art available anywhere? Who gives a shit about the game.
>>345001070
I've been trying but I take too long breaks and have to start from scratch every 6 months. I'm jelous of others because I could have been in the cool kids club if I had gottens erious 10 years ago
>>344997857
What is this?
>>345001260
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3592897
Again I'll be honest I hope purple has a good defense/argument and hbomb is just blowing shit out of his ass for most of it, because I love spurple's stuff
>>345000309
my nigga
>>345001006
>Her art is not great.
It is.
>The law ought to.
Perhaps the law might. But are you or I the law? Why should we care what the law thinks? make the a moral argument, and I might give a shit.
>I'm upset she gets away with it.
That's some grade A envy. There's literally no reason for you to be upset by this, except pure envy.
>>345001305nobody came to me, I honestly don't think I can stomach going out of my way to find someone else's fetish and appease it.
>>344997634
Aspiring writefag here. What would you say is the BIGGEST requirement to being a good writer? I already read/write daily.
It's just all I've ever been good at, and desu, I want to be a good fucking writer if I'm writing porn shit.
How the fuck do I play these .fla files? The best thing I can get out of google is that there's supposedly a standalone flash player but I'll be damned if I can find it.
>>345001339
Sparrow's art is only $100/figure with colored lines. Not that I would be familiar with his commission prices or anything.
>>345001286
He's the talent, slob programmers are a diamond dozen, they will line up to make a game if his art is compelling enough.
>>345001374
I have this same problem, I'l go on a spree where I draw better one sketch to the next but then get bored and quite for a couple months and when i get the bug again I have to start over.
>>345001397
and retards like this guy will continue to donate
>>345001347
I work in the field of law, so I don't give a singular fuck about anything but the legality of it, and whatever will make me earn more money. I would imagine Schwig has some plan set up to earn more money (plus the money he ran off with), so he's in a similar mindset.
>>345001374
>shortstacks
i like you, do you have a tumblr/gallery?
>>345001285
>he's right, ethics is a cultural standard
By our cultural standards what he did is unethical and immoral, even if not illegal. Maybe he lives on mars where this sneaky, spiteful shit is laudable.
>>345001330
You're doing your best to equate ethical with legal, but you're not succeeding too well.
If there's no legal standard, then his ethics and morality are determined by the cultural standards, by which what he did is spectacularly unethical and immoral, even if it was not illegal.
>>345001495
I love Sparrow, all of his stuff, what did you commission faggot and thanks for it.
>>344998107
ROBF S4U is not translated. Don't bullshit me anon!never ever
>>345001001
This is the reason I started drawing furry, I could care less what insults people throw at me for it, its too fucking easy, you dont even need to be good you just need to be able to draw.
>>345001260
Learn to read the thread. Holy shit. Learn to google. Learn to anything. It's so fucking easy to find through any avenue. Do you not even know the basics of using the fucking internet? How did you manage to post in this thread? Do you need someone to figure out the capatcha for you too?
Have some self respect, and learn how to be self reliant.
>>345001001
Everything is about double the price it should be.
Although I've always been tempted to increase my art skills to do this kind of thing.
>>344996425
The artist's an asshole but the other guy's a fucking baby, holy shit.
>>345001526
>implying I donate money instead of just enjoying it
Take your retard implications and fiddle your dickhole with them shitlord.
I'm so glad this is happening
>>345001537
>I work in the field of law, so I don't give a singular fuck about anything but the legality of it
But you still give enough fuck to say something is not illegal when one say it is wrong, though.
>>345001507
you meant to say "a dime a dozen" but I think your mistake makes more sense.
Programmers actually have to do work, artists never want to work for work or learn how to work at all. This guy has a cute style but it doesn't speak for his work ethic or how dynamic he can be.
>>345001548
http://mylakovich.tumblr.com/
its all over the place though, warning
>>345001507
>He's the talent
He has an appealing artstyle but there are pretty much unlimited artists out there who would jump at the chance to actually work on something and I guarantee most of them aren't enormous assclowns like Schwig.
>>345001560
>If there's no legal standard, then his ethics and morality are determined by the cultural standards, by which what he did is spectacularly unethical and immoral, even if it was not illegal.
That's not how it works in a Court, you know. You can't charge someone with an accusation of unethical behavior/action if no ethical standard is set. Morals and morality CANNOT set an ethical standard, because they are two completely different things in a Court of Law.
Morals = what "feels" right (Being nice to people)
Ethics = what "is" right (Not giving a person a bad nosejob in plastic surgery).
>>345001471
I'd say the biggest requirement is either being good at editing or having a good editor. Bad sentence and page structure + grammar issues have ruined more stories than dumb plots. Other than that you just have to come up with something interesting or at least not too boring and people will read it.
>>345001471
Did you see the page he posted? Why would you solicit advice from him if you want to be a good writer? The only thing he has over you is that his writing is on one digital comic page so far.
>>345001423
>It is.
It is not.
>make the moral arguement
She didn't invent these characters, none of her patrons did, and yet she coasts on their popularity.
>envy
No. I'm legit upset that you can poorly represent other people's work and get away with making a living off of it wihout paying them any royalties.
If she paid royalties to the properties holders, all of my objection to her little shindig would cease.
>>344993556
good
they didnt deserve all that cash per month for such a shit looking game. going back and fourth with designs for best part of a year
monster girl island is more promising, or malice and the machine
>Implying it's hard to draw
Anyone can fucking draw, artists are fucking everywhere starving themselves everywhere waiting for the opportunity to actually work on something.
The only person who should be fully credited for a game is the Director, full stop.
>>345001507
His talent wasn't sufficient to produce what he needed for BS even ignoring the programming inadequacy, and he redesigned every asset something like 2 or 3 times. He's not gonna get anywhere completely unchecked.
>>345001596
>furries have this much money
Shit like this always makes me want to draw, but I've been in the "community" before and am glad I got out.
>>345001183
If you actually go to his page, he has to deal with a lot of people bitching about the price.
>>345001156
He does this for every fucking game he's involved in. He even went over the top on several LD games. The main reason why all of this is so believable is because Shwig is the kind of person who doesn't know when to fucking stop, and at least three "full time projects" he'd work for have been left in limbo because of it.
>>345000085
Yes, it will be porn. I failed to mention that up to this point, haven't I?
I also failed to mention that this sample takes place further back in the time line than where I intend to write from. The main story will be less yuri, and includes a bara, a milf, a trap and one of these lesbians (the blue ninja one)
Truthfully, I appreciate all the feedback, which is why I did this in the first place. It's mostly what I expected, a medley of some good advice, mixed with well.../v/
At this point, the monthly thing is what I'm thinking the most about now. It's just I feel I have to respect the artist's time, and if we can't even make enough to justify monthly content, I couldn't ask him to commit to weekly.
I guess a lot more is on the line during the trial. If we can't make enough to justify weekly updates, I guess I'll ditch the whole thing and chalk it up to a learning experience.
All the same, thanks again everyone, even the less constructive, incendiary individuals. If things don't work out, I'll keep my writing on /ctt/ threads, and I'll be OK with that, ^_^
>>345001765
Right, thank you.
I was also thinking that writing original, compelling characters is a big one too. Because I know lots of fans that are into things exclusively for the characters
>>345001775
I've actually been published before (book of short stories, I'd link but I don't wanna expose myself), but still consider myself an amateur. I just don't have high opinions of my own writing.
>>345001826
They basically let him do whatever the fuck he wanted and he got paid no matter what. That's not how you get shit done.
>>345001374
Youre actually on track to making money already m8, find a niche and fill it. Take yourself over to the /aco/ shortstack thread and build a reputation by doing a few drawings.
>>345001596
stilettopink started doing TF art for this reason, then at some she couldn't do it anymore.
Its a shame because I really enjoyed her work and liked the humor in it.
>>345001608
>about double.
Dude. Non-furry sketches usually go for 5-15 bucks even from talented artists.
And the most expensive non-furry full color single character images are like 100-200 at best depending on how popular and good the artist is.
That furry shit is massively overpriced but they can do that because furries pay that much for mediocre garbage.
>>344998909
whoa, i cant wait to see what happens on the next page lads, only 30 days to go
>>345001507
>he has the talent
His art is shit, there are hundreds of art school grads that are dozens of times better than him that will work for peanuts.
>>345001973
please point me to them, i want to make a game
>>345001934
>Pothead Re-Adventures will never be finished
Stilettopink's TF art is the only TF art I find really hot. I am so sad.
>>345001471
2000 words/1 week and try your best to not make the sex too repetitive
The current wave is monster sex with centaur/minotaur and horsecock due to CoC
>>345001471
Be consistent.
>>345001567Nothing, I'm broke as fuck and trying to get a job. He's one of the few artist I've considered shelling out dosh for is all.I'm not a waifufag though, so I'd probably just end up commissioning Helba and Black Rose getting railed by monsters since there's almost no .hack porn.
>>345001898
>^_^
Fucking cancer
>>345001757
>That's not how it works in a Court, you know.
What's legal is not always moral nor ethical, and what's immoral or unethical is not always illegal.
You keep going back to court logic because you're playing devils advocate and don't have a leg to stand on from a moral standpoint. Just stick to defending the legality of what he did, because I'm not gonna keep replying if you keep trying to equate legality with morality.
>>345001963
No, but you see, drawing humans is easy. drawing humanoid animals take a lot of skills. Don't you know?
>>345001967
sorry, it has been delayed for another month
>>345001896
Wait, he has done this in the past, and Hbomb still hired him and gave him that contract?
There goes all my pity for him.
>>345002035
>find local art school
>ask them to show you their portfolio
>ask one you like if they want to work for you
is this shwig the same as the shwigityshwonshwei that used to drawfag all over the internet?
fame always goes to their head, eh
>That one artist you loved but now only does ponyshit since everyone went crazy over it.
>>345001286
As if coding monkeys are expensive or hard to find.
>>345002193
I don't even watch MLP but you have to admit a lot of ponyshit porn is fucking great.
>>345001928
arright maybe i'll clean up my construction and take the show on the road
>>345001934
>EWOK
Educated womyn of Kolor
>>345001898
Get a new artist man, a fucking page once a month will not fucking go and nobody on patreon will not support you
>>345002035
I'll draw lewd ladies for you anon-kun~
>friend of me draws
>Undertale happens
>all those tumblr autism bucks went into his pocket
He could buy himself the PS4 and a new PC only with 2 weeks of sketches now and then.
>>344999372
there's good western porn out there, you just need to know where to look.
>>345002193
It's been fucking five years man. Shoot me. He doesn't even draw porn. Just cutesy shit.
>>344998618
>This is an incredibly small and simple game that should have been completed in a month if the project lead was halfway serious about it. They STILL don't have a version that has all the mechanics and story content in place.
they were planning on getting a project manager to get their shit together and whatnot but that shwig faggot himself wouldn't allow it
doesnt matter if this faggot did all the work
in the end he is still running with the money and the art he does he is claming for himself when it rightfully belongs to the people who paid for it
the patreons
>>345002061
Nigga I do 1k words A DAY
>>345002062
Thank you.
>>345001776
>It is not.
It is.
>She didn't invent these characters, none of her patrons did, and yet she coasts on their popularity.
She creates media which wouldn't exist otherwise. Despite the characters having previously existed, these paintings are brand new.
>No. I'm legit upset that you can poorly represent other people's work and get away with making a living off of it wihout paying them any royalties.
Why are you upset on behalf of creators you never met, and multi billion dollar corporations? The money she's making is a drop in the bucket compared to what those corporations are making.
>If she paid royalties to the properties holders, all of my objection to her little shindig would cease.
Well she does a lot of Disney work, and you can blame the Disney corporation for ruining copyright laws so bad, that she doesn't have a legit avenue to pay royalties.
>>345002131
Breeding Season started years ago following Shwig only working on small games and "idea guy" projects. That was well before he started to go over the top on that faction world building stuff he loves so much in every project he's been involved in. It's far easier to believe that his experience with BS just got to his head and inflated his ego in the worst way.
>>345002098
>What's legal is not always moral nor ethical, and what's immoral or unethical is not always illegal.
That's not how it works you moron. LEGALLY DEFINED Unethical behavior (not the shit you're pulling from the dictionary) is always 100% illegal. What Schwig has done here is not LEGALLY unethical, nor is it illegal. I am not talking morals at all, and legal ethics have NOTHING to do with morals. In fact, morals don't even belong in a Court, as per the multiple sermons the Supreme Court has given.
Point being, you can cry and bitch about Schwig, but he has done nothing wrong in any eyes that matter (the law).
Are people really surprised Schwig would do this?
The fucker's a literal Jew, he's from Israel.
>>345002114
I actually have an easier time drawing anthro creatures than actual humans. I think it is because we see actual people all the time so mistakes stand out more.
>Schwig's making $72 a month already
Hahahaha.
I can hear him rubbing his jewish little mitts all the way over the internet. He's gonna be milking a lot of dumbasses for a long time.
>>345002193
>not liking ponyshit
lol you are missing tons of good stuff
>>345001471
>>345001775
What he said. Why would you want my advice? XD
The best I can say now, is write something you would want to read, while still bearing in mind the people who you want to read it. Don't be above anyone's criticism and get as much of it as you can, wherever you can, and don't be afraid to admit when something has problems.
Remember there's always something new to learn and there's always room to improve. But even if progress is slow, never stop, or you might never start again.
>>345002373
it surely didnt help with people in the chat calling him a god and sucking his dick every time he does a 12 hour run
>>345002368
Got any sample/pastebin? Chunking 1k a day will get you close to the wall pretty fast
>>344993556
Friendly reminder that breeding season made over half a million dollars since it started two years ago
>>345002391
>Unethical behavior (not the shit you're pulling from the dictionary) is always 100% illegal
nope
ethics can be derived from other sources of authority than law such as religion or peer group
>>344999372
this anon >>345002328 get it
>>344997107
Vietnamese and one or both of Russian and Jewish. He's got family from all three either which way. His name is Vladimir Sandler.
>>345002435
Anyone who supports Schwig after what he did is an enormous faggot. I know that the project leader was an idiot for the way he managed it but goddamn that was a cunt move.
>>345002254
Go now anon, become the next Schwig, I believe in you.Seriously though, people are usually just happy getting a drawing, just find that niche you like and sit there.
>>345002583
Not in a Court of Law they cannot. Ethics in the Law and ethics elsewhere are not the same thing. Please take your legally illiterate ass somewhere else.
>>344998909
WAIT A MINUTE THAT ARTSTYLE
Original fallout thread?
>>345002193
sounds like you got shwigged
>>345002370
>It is.
It isn't.
>Despite the characters having previously existed, these paintings are brand new.
Yes well that's not how american copyright law works.
>Why are you upset on behalf of creators you never met, and multi billion dollar corporations
Because I am a creator myself.
>The money she's making is a drop in the bucket compared to what those corporations are making.
So paying a drop of a drop in royalties should pose no issue.
>and you can blame the Disney corporation for ruining copyright laws so bad, that she doesn't have a legit avenue to pay royalties.
This is hardly relevant however.
Had she put a physical book of these on sale she'd be in trouble, but through the magic of the internet, harvesting money this way is sufficiently grey zone for people not to go there.
>>345002585
holy shit man bless those frenchies
between them and berndsoft it's slim pickings though
>>345002435
>>345002396
>Shwig hard at work.jpg
>>345002391
t. sociopath
>>345002686
still up to the jury to decide that or whatever
>>345002391
>wrong in any eyes that matter (the law).
>purposely ignoring all the lives and business that have been ruined by the court of public opinion
You're the kind of lawyer that advises his client to do something legally sound but ruins him more than if he had just did things the nice way.
>>345002391
>That's not how it works you moron. LEGALLY DEFINED Unethical behavior (not the shit you're pulling from the dictionary) is always 100% illegal.
Good thing we're not discussing the legality of the matter, because everyone agrees what he did is not illegal. But he certainly did a lot wrong by moral and ethical standards, and every time you try to twist the conversation back to the legal standard you only prove further that you have no argument.
>>345000929
>https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan?ty=h
>talented guy with a future
kys
>>345002251
Not him but I can agree the humanized stuff is good.And only the humanized stuff.
>>345002193
>That one artist you wish you were on par with, but will never be.They're younger than you.
>furry artist
>>345002686
ethics as a legal definition and as a general definition are not the same thing friendo
>>345002750
That's the new term for it, actually
>This artist was so wonderful but then he started drawing scat like a major shwig.
>>345000095
>This isn't some some genie tale where you have to be careful what you wish for, or face some ironic outcome.
Its EXACTLY that.
>>345002827
>Makes over 50,000$ a month
>Not a good future
>>345002973
Remember when Notch got 2 billion dijiridoos and was depressed after it? There's more to life than Money, m80.
>>345002784
A jury isn't used for civil matters where ethicality is called into question.
>>345002879
That's my entire point. He has done nothing that can get him in trouble. Go cry elsewhere, because he has done nothing wrong. It's still a dick move, but he can fully make that move due to his (incredibly loose) contract.
>>345002872
>glasses stuck on their faces
>>345003052
Spoken like a poorfag.
>>345002556
I write for a local rag. God do I have samples to share, but all of them have my name attached and its easy enough to just re-google my works. Sorry.
>>345003052
That's just because Notch is a fucking autist.
Do we have any more vanilly pics?
SHE IS 2 QT
>>345000095
>This isn't some some genie tale where you have to be careful what you wish for, or face some ironic outcome.
Uh? As sad as it is, it's exaclty like this.
But yes, you are right on the first part, a legal contract is not always ethical.
>>345003124
Write something entirely new and pastebin it
>>345003061
No one is saying he isn't allowed to do what he did you r-tard. People are just saying he is a dick for doing it and it could ruin his rep. None of this has to do with legality. Fuck, are all lawyers as autistic as you?
>>345003052
He was always depressed though.
The money just didn't help.
>>345003061
It all depends on whether it goes to court.
It's only legal until you go to jail for it.
>>345003052
Sure anon who the fuck needs money.
I mean I sure do love to work all day as I struggle to survive and pay for everything every month.
But seriously If I was getting 50k a month I could finally do stuff like traveling and visiting my friends but no insted im stuck in a no future job
>>345001728
For a small timer only doing sketches every now and then, you're not half bad. Get yourself a good drawing tablet, put in some more time, and I can see you doing decent commissions in about a year.
I'll be keeping an eye on you.
>>345003052
Notch got depressed because his dad blew his own brains out.
>>345003061
>That's my entire point. He has done nothing that can get him in trouble.
You're wasting time making a self evident point.
>Go cry elsewhere, because he has done nothing wrong.
"STOP SAYING HE'S A DICK HE WAS JUST A DICK BUT WHAT HE DID IS NOT ILLEGAL"
>>345002872
Whats wrong with furry artists?
They make easy bucks out of autists who want to get porn of the OCs
This is why you don't give a cent to teams that don't have prototypes and devs to show FIRST. Remember, art can be added when the game is done.
>>345003315
wait really?
>>345001728
>Them horny wenches
You have more than enough skill to milk people on the internet and seem to have a good measure of talent to boot. Godspeed.
>>345003441
Look it up dude, that's why he stopped working on the game and pawned it off on other people.not 100% on the blowing his brains out part but he definitely offed himself
>>345003415
Wewcarnalsouls.com/july-update
Quick, who is your favorite furry artist?
>>345002761
>Yes well that's not how american copyright law works.
Yes, well again, I asked for a moral argument, not the jew lawyer one.
>Because I am a creator myself.
I see. And so am I, coincidentally. I can imagine it being upsetting if someone was profiting off of my characters without permission. But that's because they're personal creations. They weren't created by a committee, and passed around from artist to artist to get just the right amount of marketability, in order to juice the audience for another 100m dollars.
>So paying a drop of a drop in royalties should pose no issue.
I agree.
>This is hardly relevant however.
>Had she put a physical book of these on sale she'd be in trouble, but through the magic of the internet, harvesting money this way is sufficiently grey zone for people not to go there.
It absolutely relevant. Corporations used their weight to affect law that stamps out opportunity for smaller artists. And now they can't get paid like they should. But through the magic of the internet, smaller artists are allowed to get around their bullshit laws.
>>345003441
His entire life was a trainwreck both before and after minecraft.
>>345003415
They did have many prototypes. What was bottlenecking this game was art and animation, and some INSANE feature creep.
>>345000116
Yes, animu. Not manga. You don't need to make multiple head shapes for talking frames when using sidemouth. The comic panel is one and done.
>>345001728
Looks promising. Gotta get a tablet and learn to ink, though. You'll never get anywhere with pencil sketches.
>>344998272
He used to post on /agdg/, what happened?
>>345001717
There are programmers and programmers mate. I can program but I know Im slow as fuck.
>>345003548
Argento.
>>345001728
>all that weird shit
Good that you're cool with it because that's where all the money is.
>>345003691
Like any reasonable human being I believe he realized what a fucking shit hole that is.
>>345003160
>Uh? As sad as it is, it's exaclty like this.
UHHHHHHHHH?????? LIKE, OMG, IT'S TOTALLY NOT.
Because we're all thinking humans who can look at a contract and decide if it's bullshit or not. We don't have to abide by a more powerful force that uses it's magic for it's sick ironic moral teaching antics.
>>345003403
furfags have always had a stigma, it doesnt help the fact that people are in your face like overexpressive gays about it, shoving their shit everywhere like a loud vocal minority.dnt get me started on OCs
I never met a chill furfag not even once and i mean furfag in a nice way
>>345000095
Contracts are made to protect the best interests of the artist and the business contracting them. The author even admitted the project fell through due to a poorly drafted contract allowing Sandler to take his assets and leave. He had full rights to his assets even though it was a work for hire, of course the project was going to fall apart at some point.
>>345003548
sindoll
>>345003314
>>345003513
>>345003612
>>345003740
Thanks for the pep talk, I'll jump back in the game instead of be a hermit for 6 months.
>>344996425
What a convincing staged skype argument.
Western art was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.
Entire fucking generation of artists trying to be japanese and failing.
>>345003548
Kenno Arkkan
>>345003832
>Contracts are made to protect the best interests of the artist and the business contracting them.
Well when poor terms are written, then the contract doesn't protect the best interests of all parties, now does it?
>>345003874
IT'S THE
>>345003548
vexstacy
>>345003798
Law is a more powerful force than your feels.
>>345003548
null ghost
>>344996425
>then sue me
I was seriously going to just call this fake and it's retarded that this is the 'evidence' but you can't fake idiocy like this.
>>345001728
Thanks, your style's great, i love your proprotions
>faggots
>furries
>faggot furries
I missFIRE
>>345003965
>Entire fucking generation
You do realise this has been happening since the 1870s right?
>>344993556
>Vladimir Sandler
>incredibly generous contract
>half the remaining profit after all other expenses
>Vladimir
>Sandler
HAHA WOW
>>345003798
>Because we're all thinking humans who can look at a contract and decide if it's bullshit or not.
So it is like a genie tale where you have to be careful what you sign for, seeing you have to look at the contract and see if it's bullshit or not.
>We don't have to abide by a more powerful force that uses it's magic for it's sick ironic moral teaching antics.
It's called the court and legal enforcement.
>>345003575
>Yes, well again, I asked for a moral argument, not the jew lawyer one.
I gave it to you.
She ought to create something of her own if she wants to make a living from it, or do her work under the terms that others working with Big Corp. franchises do.
>But that's because they're personal creations.
The legal issue is the exact same. That's why I'm concerned.
>And now they can't get paid like they should
But you shouldn't actually be making money from working on stuff the IP owners don't want you working on. It's not just that there isn't a proper way for Sakimi to be paid for doing what she feels like doing, it's that Disney are very picky with who they want to work with.
Lo and behold however, they do work with tons of smaller artists on the internet for all sorts of projects.
Sakimi just wants to do her own thing. Her sparkly pin-up things. And then she ought to do her fucking own thing and not do other people's characters without permission.
At least not when she's making a licing from it, as that goes far outside the usual Fair Use terms, for people who hand craft plushies or stickers and sell them in person at conventions.
>>344996425
this is what happens when you let an artist have rights.
remember when starting a project don't give those liberal retards any rights over the works. this reason is why networks and executives own all the rights of projects artists create for them.
>>345003548
dagasi.
>>344994276
Wha-
You fucking serious?
>>345004107
He's a manbaby who operates on movie quotes.
>>345003874
Before you go do you use anything for reference when practicing or do you just wing it?
>>345004198
Russians are known to be cons?
So is there a link to the new game's patreon? Looks good, wanna donate to it.
>>345004263
>remember when starting a project don't give those liberal retards any rights over the works
Spotted the venture capitalist.
>>344994276
What did Doxy offer? WHAT DID DOXY OFFER?
>>345004052
>>345004203
Again, when discussing moral and ethics, what the law says, does not define them. That's the point. The law can enforce it's own idea of ethics. But that doesn't stop us from saying, "hey, that's bullshit". Because we aren't in some genie tale. Just because the law works one say, doesn't mean you need to default accept it.
>>345004469
>>345004290
He just said he was up to joining the project and redrawing everything himself. Dunno how much truth there is to that.
>>345004359
http://www.quickposes.com/gestures/timed
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDgyQjNFVQk
and drawing from /e/ and capcom sprites
>>345003993
I believe in court you can actually have a contract voided if you can prove it was written with the intent of screwing over one of the parties or if an alleged violation doesn't meet the "intent" of the contract. That was recently done with a case where a fathered agreed to pay for his daughters college but she ended up taking dumb classes and living at college just so he would keep paying her.
>>345001479
bumping this
>>344994276
Doxy offer what..
>>345004389
You can never trust a Russian, or a Jew, and especially not a Russian Jew.
>>345004606
Man. Wonder if Doxy would even still want to after the drama.
And I kind of hope they don't, they're too good for BS.
>>345004546
Whether or not you think a contract is bullshit doesn't matter. Unless there was some part of it that broke the law or some kind of loophole it's rock solid.
>>345004263
Agreed. Any schlomo who gives those dumb goyim an inch will regret it with their wallets.
>>345004606
>redrawing everything himself
Filthy lies
>Hbomb. If you need someone to “steal” back the art by making VERY STRIKINGLY similar versions. Hollllaaaaa!
They will just trace over everything instead of actually redrawing in their own style.
Is it actually a thing that you can hire an artist, pay him and have the contract say he can take all the art he did while working for the company, half the companys money and leave?
Seems sub-optimal.
>>345004546
>what the law says, does not define them.
We never argued against that.
I even said
>>345003160
>But yes, you are right on the first part, a legal contract is not always ethical.
What we have been saying is that that a Genie tale is the perfect analogy to signing a contract: if you are not careful about it, you will be fucked over. So, indeed, it is some some genie tale where you have to be careful what you wish for, or face some ironic outcome.
>>344999321
>>345004469
Oh yes please. Although I'm not sure if Doxy would... well at least there would be more futa and trap content.
>>345004606
>redrawing everything
> again
good lord. That would be horrendous.
>>345004790
That's even better, fuck Schwig.
My wife dresses up in overknee hooker boots when her boyfriends come over to give her bareback creampies in our bed. she likes to feel like a cheap hooker that cannot say no to anything, including anonymous impregnation sex... too bad i can never watch her. but as a never inside cuckold that is normal
>>345004857
That's why you get someone who actually knows contracts to write you a contract.
>>345004692
What's your point, we're just saying he is a dick. Are you saying he isn't a dick because he broke no laws?
Is it true that an artist from breeding season is a cute girl? This is important
>>345004546
>Because we aren't in some genie tale
Siging a contract is effectively the equivalent of making a wish to a genie. Wording things poorly or not being carefull will fuck youover.
>Just because the law works one say, doesn't mean you need to default accept it.
We never argued against this notion. history is full of laws people revolted against.
>>345004954
yall niggas were discussing morality and the law.
>4chan removed the mega links
hahhahahah
top damage control m8s
>>345005005
No he's a disgusting vietnamese slavic jew.
>>345004673
Chinese are the worst. I don't know why people rely so much on this jew mem when there is chinese
>>345005005
The animator is.
You want a job at my company? Well you know what, fuck it. Just take my job. No, you know what's even better? Take the company. It's yours. Let's write up the contract.
>>345005063
Can you repost then?
>>345004631
>dad signing a contract staying he'll pay for her college
>not just paying for it and reserving the right to stop paying for it any time she slacks off
Was there just no trust in that family?
>>345005186
>Financial cucking
>>345004198
russian and jewish Adam Sandler
>>345005005
Vanilla. did most of the Art direction work in plus of animating (Animation was her initial job). She didn't comment on the matter.
>>344993556
I don't know how it works in the US of Freedom but here in France retaining the rights to the the artwork doesn't give us the right to remove said work from the project, it just means that whoever bought the right to use our work can only use it for the project we agreed upon.
>>345004219
>I gave it to you.
You attempted for one post, and then immediately fell back into the law argument.
>She ought to create something of her own if she wants to make a living from it,
She creates her own paintings.
>or do her work under the terms that others working with Big Corp. franchises do.
Why?
>The legal issue is the exact same. That's why I'm concerned.
Why? If Disney or whoever really wanted to shut her down, the internet doesn't actually prevent them. They just don't care to. Because they would likely spend just as much money in lawyer fees going to court, as they would get back from her. The fact is, she's not protected, but she's allowed to continue because, thank god, there corporations are too large to deem her worthy of threatening legal action against.
>But you shouldn't actually be making money from working on stuff the IP owners don't want you working on.
That's true. But how long should you be able to hold on to an IP? When something becomes so large that it fuses into fabric of the culture, then isn't it time to relinquish control? Asking people not to draw the frozen girl, is like asking people not to draw trees or fruit. It's transcendent media.
>At least not when she's making a licing from it, as that goes far outside the usual Fair Use terms, for people who hand craft plushies or stickers and sell them in person at conventions.
Making relatively more money than other small artists, does not make her violation of use any greater. That's your envy talking. Both she and those people selling stickers are equally violating copyright laws.
>>345005039
No, we were discussing morality. And ya'll niggas keep trying to use the law as the basis for morality.
>>345005039
Everyone keeps saying the same stuff though, people are either saying legal isn't always ethical and the others are saying ethics doesn't always define legality.
>>345005262
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/344993556/#344994126
Should we make a new thread?
>>345005295
I believe the mom has custody of the daughter and the contract was made between the mom and dad.
>>345005743
Thanks, superanon.
>>345004868
You've missed the point entirely. Or maybe I haven't communicated it properly. I'm aware of the fact that he signed a contract and met an ironic outcome. That is why I used a genie tale to describe the situation. But I'm saying because we're not actually in one, we don't have to simply accept the outcome as right or justifiable. We can look at the outcome and go, "that's wrong".
But to think that just because he signed a contract, that that makes everything perfectly ethical, is not reality.
>>345005772
OP here. I'm not. I'm done with you morons.
>>345006000
love ya op you big dumb faggot.
Ok then, I'll make one mr trips.
>>345005898
all this debacle makes me put the greatest fault on the patrons
supporting failing projects is the main reason for the world's suffering
