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gobbet
God damn it, they're all so good. But Eiger.
>>344667590
Glory is total shit in combat, meanwhile Eiger uses the best weapons in the game.
Anyone but Is0bel. That fucking dwarf is one of the most irritating party members I've ever had in an rpg.
>>344667590
Both are good, both in combat and romanced.
>>344667590
how hard would it be to kiss eiger?
The answer is obvious.
Glory, she and my monk character just breezed through fights. Eiger was good but sometimes not so helpful.
>>344667590
Is this game any good? I got it in a sale but I only played the first hour or so before I dropped it for other vidya.
>>344667989
>Glory is total shit in combat
That's bullshit. I had glory completely running up to dudes and doing 4 attacks to decimate their hp or outright kill them. Glory is good if you're not using the gun and sticking to the melee.
>>344667590
What game and which one for what purpose?
To play as? Right.
To fuck? Right.
To fight against? Left.
To marry? Right.
ToLead a loving life with for years to come?Right
>literal giant cunt
>used goods
>>344667989
>he had Glory use the pistol
You fucked up senpai.
>>344668376
the plot is great once it picks up, especially the lodge missions. if you want good turn-based combat out of it, play hong kong instead.
What's /v/'s favorite build?
I'd say pure mage is still mine. Mages are honestly OP.
Assault rifle decker is my runner up. Full auto is broken.
>>344668376
Yes it's very good. I'd say Dragonfall is overall the best game but they're all worth playing.
>>344668752
Full Adept
>dodging everything
>punching everything
>moving three times as far as anyone else
>>344667752
this answer is acceptable
>>344667989
>Glory is total shit in combat
dude what? glory rips and tears in melee and that's the only direction you should level her in.
>>344669052
Never tried Adept myself. I always felt that melee-oriented builds were the hardest to be successful with in the series. At least pure melee with no Qi Casting.
>>344668752
Mage with capped HP pool is probably single one most powerful build. They have tools for any situations, they can go super saiyan on ley lines, they can disable enemies and have infinite AOE instead of limited grenades.
Plus you have a few spare points on top of that so you can get yourself a totem and a good charisma pool for speech checks.
>>344667752
Gobbet is shit, though. As a character she's tolerable, but as a shaman she fuck right off. Hong Kong's problem in general is that two best optional characters, Gaichu and Racter, essentially overshadow the main cast in both personality and mechanics. I could not be arsed to give a fuck about Duncan, for example.
>>344667590
Satan grill is literally a borderline soulless hunk of meat and chrome, who is only a few steps away from becoming a cyberzombie, while the orc slut is hot.
Still, I'll marry the Satan grill, but fuck the orc slut.
>>344669421
Duncan is fun as fuck to use though because of his takedowns.
>>344668752
I was elf mage. man i could solo the entire game if i wanted. Mages way too op.
>>344669421
>Racter
Holy fuck he is seriously the best character out of every shadowrun game. Talking to racter was one of the things that kept me going through the game.
>Gaichu
He's aight
>Duncan
YOU DO NOT TALK SHIT ABOUT THE ZIP TIES
YOU DO NOT
>>344669249
I thinkHarlequinforever soured Adepts for me the way he's forced on you in Returns.
>>344669621
I forgot about that gigantic flaming faggot
Fuck. Dead man's switch really is comparatively bad, huh.
>>344669363
Completely agree. Mages only need to really focus on Willpower so they have a ton of karma to spread around. The crowd control abilities are ridiculous and their damage can be just as ridiculous. I've seen crits near 100 before.
>>344668376
If you dropped it at any point, you're objectively a shit eater.
Congratulations.
>>344669421
You're just mad because the game's constant descriptions of his rippling muscles and sweaty body every time you walked into his room made you feel funny.
Be a good onee-chan to your little bro.
>>344669509
takedowns, magnetic arm and ridiculous aoe if you upgrade him correctly, but as a character he's a wet blanket. if you're not invested in his and your characters daddy issues so much of the main story falls flat.
>>344669621
>make a cool setting
>shit it up with immortal mary sue special snowflake elves
>>344667590
>had idea of game about girl with cool robotic arm for at least 6 years
>by the time I'll get to work on it, it will be rip-off of all games in universe
Life is unending suffering.
Only thing that comes close to a mage's brokenness is 2 turns of Full Auto and they both crit. That's at least over 100 damage with an endgame level character.
>>344668447
>To marry? Right.
>To Lead a loving life with for years to come? Right
Only if you have a vagina.
>>344669721
>magnetic arm
>desecrating the pure temple that is duncan wu
>>344667752
FIRST POST
BEST POST
HOW DOES HE ALWAYS DO IT
>>344669817
And even if they don't crit, it's probably going to be near 100 damage anyways if they hit.
>>344667989
>Glory is total shit in combat
Let me guess, you thought her gun is actually useful.
>>344669621
>Hisoka
Shadowrun is broken a sfuck. The combat becomes a joke when you cyberware yourself up to your ass with accuracy and quickness enhancing limbs on a high quickness human/elf with an assault rifle and burst-fire everything into oblivion.
>>344668486
Getting her the revolver was still fun, made her versatile as all hell.
>>344670056
I'd say the beginning to midgame can be tough depending on your build. But once you get towards the end your characters become powerhouses.
>>344670056
>he tainted his body
>>344669421
>I could not be arsed to give a fuck about Duncan, for example.
Seriously. I just wanted to do cool mercenary work, earn cash, and be Kindly Cheng's unstoppable enforcer but Duncan was bitching and moaning about the whole thing. At least you can get your revenge on him by getting Raymond killed and then refusing the offer to get your SIN reinstated.
>>344667590
Eiger, but I do like Glory.
Great game, I love every character.
>>344668470
Dietrich is such a bro.
who else took the 14 years ending
shit's funny as fuck in the dlc campaign
>>344669479
>orc
isn't eiger a troll?
>>344670357
>14 years ending
>dlc campaign
what the fuck am I missing
GOD TIER:
Gobbet
Racter
Gaichu
WAIFU TIER:Vampire
SHUT UP BITCH TIER:
Duncan
SHIT TIER:
Is0bel
>>344670357
Does the corrupt HKPD lady know about it?
>>344670357
The what now?
>>344670389
Yeah
>>344670426
making a deal with the yama king gives you 14 years of neverending fortune in exchange for (probably) your soul
the dlc campaign was given for free with the upgraded edition of the game
>>344667590
Romance Eiger and make her help you cure Glory with the D, sandwich style.
>>344670175
>>344670175
There's literally no point in retaining your meat on a non-mage character.
Unless you're a mage: go chrome or go home.
>>344670520
At the showdown with heryou warn her that you made a deal with the Yama King, she asked for proof and her magazine falls out and her gun malfunctions, so she runs like a bitch and calls everyone off
>>344667590
Eiger, 100%. I want to climb that mountain.
>>344667752
Gobbet would be my #2 choice, but she literally lives in garbage and never showers, which is a pretty massive turnoff.
>>344669956
>use adrenaline pump
>you've just raped a quarter or more of the enemy team in just one round with just Glory
Forgive the pun but the shit was Glorious.
>>344670558
>14 years of neverending fortune
Oh, right. I completely ignored that deal so I forgot about it. I found it much more fun to kill a god with dakka.even if that god was hotter than anything else in the game
>dlc campaign was given for free with the upgraded edition of the game
Oh fuck, time to replay I guess.
Are there any difficult tactical encounters mods for this game?
I mean something on the level of Baldur's Gate 2 Tactics.
>>344670584
/thread
Who /very hard mode/ here? Literally flipping coins for half the game.
>>344668752
Physical Adept. Beating mages and sammies just by running up to them and wrecking them before they can react is golden, and running into a crowd and stunning three niggas on one turn so the rest of your team can play mop-up is even better.
>>344667590
>western '''''''''''designs'''''''''
>>344671012
>"""""shitposting"""""
>>344670584
Would Eiger even want romance? She has soldier autism.
>>344670584
I solemnly vow to animate this if an eiger model is ever made.
Claiming my waifu
>>344670584
>"curing" a traumatized raped lesbian with dicks
This is where self insertion becomes cancer.
Eigerfags are the worst, they are worse than the typical waifufags.
>>344671250
Probably not with a fellow runner. She seems to treat running as a job rather than a lifestyle.
>play returns
>murderfuck everything near solo with troll melee
I'm mad there isn't much equipment, will start dragonfal and hong kong this weekend, do they have more equipment?
>>344671502
>raped
iirc glory did everything willingly before she left that cult, but my memory's a bit fuzzy, it's been a while since i played through dragonfall
>>344671502
Not to mention curing her is literally impossible since her essence is shredded. and even if you somehow managed to restore her essence, you've got to deal with the fact that Satan literally owns her soul.
>>344671575
Alot more yeah and it's more useful
>>344671575
GET MODIFIED
GET CYBER WHIP HANDS
FLAY EVERYTHING
>>344671575
Yes. Hong Kong especially has some pretty neat equipment.
>>344671502
I don't think there's any indication in-game that she's lesbian, but "curing" her (which is impossible, since you can't restore lost essence, only patch up essence holes from switching from shitty cyberware to better one) is probably the last thing she wants anyway.
She shredded all that essence for a reason and bringing it back would make her susceptible to Satan's magical influence again.
>>344671752
FROM 1 TO 10 HOW MUCH CAN I RIP AND TEAR?
Can I get a slave-wizard to pop and drop armor, speed and aim on me while I buttrape the enemies in my 4+ actions right?
>>344671845
>I don't think there's any indication in-game that she's lesbian
She was in lesbians with the girl that got her into the Satan cult IIRC.
>>344667590
>See Eiger for the first time in-game from the shoulder's up.
Hey, this guy is pretty cool.
>It's a "she".
>>344672059
She willingly fucked the cult leader, IIRC, so she's at the very least bi.
>>344671667
>iirc glory did everything willingly
She didn't, she was brainwashed. When she killed her own mother against her will she snapped out of it.
>>344671845
>I don't think there's any indication in-game that she's lesbian
She had a girlfriend who lead her to the cult and has an extended dialogue about if you play a female.
>>344672148
No, see >>344672184
>>344672261
M8, I think I remember her telling that she was literally the cult leader's willing fucktoy for a while, which makes her bi. Am I wrong?
>>344672056
If I can do it as a human
You can do it as a better-than-human
>>344667590
reminded me of this for some reason
>>344672420
Fuck yes.
I'm going to tailor my team to be my bitch-buffbots.
>>344671845
>Satan's magical influence
Doesn't the good end for her plot hook revolve around replacing the satan inside her with some kind of earth spirit?
>>344672184
This faggot animeposter is mostly correct.
>>344672148
This faggot is also mostly correct.
Post the best tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qy1XRbZTAM
>>344672602
Yes the stag like spirit. I guess most of these idiots never got to see it. You have to fight some fire demon to do it.
>>344672419
She thought she was doing it willingly at first, but that's because she was literally brainwashed by Satan. It wasn't until she snapped out of it that she realised what had happened.
Monica was the actual best girl
>>344672419
Yes you are. Harrow brainwashed her and a bunch of other kids. Again she killed her own mother under the influence which made her snap out and revolt in disgust of her actions. You can even let her kill him.
>>344672720
She was quite literally under a spell m8, play the game again maybe. Your waifu is gay.
>Picking ANYONE but Eiger
>>344672817
Mi negro.
>>344672884
>Your waifu is gay.
That's alright. I'm sure most non-magical mental illnesses can be cured in the shadowrun universe.
Does Racter react to you differently if you play a female in Hong Kong?I have a fetish for old men seducing young sluts.
>>344672817
>I released APEX because I believed his bullshit about Monica and I just wanted my waifu back
>I betrayed APEX once I figured out he was just using Monica's memories to manipulate me
>I was playing a decker
>mfw
>>344672817
I played the entire game pissed off at her because she didn't let me show off my decking skills in the intro.
That's all it would've taken to prevent all the bad shit that happened to the kreugsbazbabarasr. Just let me deck instead. But noooooooooo.
>>344673243
>playing as a decker against APEX
>realize APEX is just going to brainfry deckers forever if it gets released
>nope
>>344673162
>can only canonically "forge the future" with a girl character
Stay buttmad fag.
>>344673243
APEX is kind of a dick at the end of the game even if you sided with it and helped it out.
>>344667590
I like broken women.
>>344673260
It was her run, chummer.
>>344673197
Racter is a wizard, and not the magic using kind
>>344673460
Those handjobs though
>>344673243
fuck, I even let APEX control Feuerschwinge just because of his Monica avatar
I'm such a worthless waifunigger
>>344673361
I figured having a powerful AI with the mind of my waifu at my side would be a good thing.
>>344673523
Oh, fuck, I completely forgot he hasNOLEGSand most likely can't even get aroused.
>>344673607
A powerful AI that was designed solely to kill every single decker.
Yes.
>>344673712
You underestimate the power of waifuism.
>>344673197
HE HAS
NO
LOWER
BODY
HE IS ALSO AN AUTISTIC SOCIOPATH
WHAT
DO
YOU
THINK
>>344669684
>comparatively bad
>comparatively
I like you.
>>344670739
I can watch this video all day
>knocking out camo nigger
>charging that bitch at the end
>He doesn't want a strong, talented metahuman waifu who hated you at first, but chose to change her mind about you and see what makes you great after spending time together, giving her an appreciation for you most girls wouldn't have
>He doesn't want to interbreed
>>344668752
I made a high charisma shotgun streetsam. Always do. I just like to play johnny mnemonic characters in general. It help that I found this sick custom portrait
>>344671517
t. Yuli
>>344673903
The hilarious part is that it's obvious this guy has never trained in any martial art since his technique is utter dogshit, yet he just throws everyone around and shrugs off everything while being a literal stickman.
shit I still need to play an SMG nigger for achievements but I dunno how to make it viable
>>344674159
>but I dunno how to make it viable
treat it like a melee weapon
>>344673903
>>344674109
I just want to know the background.
If I had to venture a guess, it's probably some white South African who was defending his property or something.
>>344672758
That fucking song. For all the shit people give them all three Shadowrun games had good soundtracks. You can definitely tell they put in more budget into music over time, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAANws_BgBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srujv6YNPAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQpSMraAW4
>>344674159
Same as as an assault rifle nigger: maximum quickness, good ranged and dodge and the best chrome you can get.
>>344671845
So she's cold, effective and emotionally torn for the rest of her life.
We'll be a perfect match, then.
>>344674226
No, they're all definitely slavs. I can tell this from just looking at them.
>>344671517
>"I don't like this character."
>"So people who do are bad."
>>344674313
>cold and emotionally torn for the rest of her life.
Female character can mellow her out in the end.
>>344674405
Welcome to 4chan.
>>344671497
>The look of a warden and the mannerism of an inmate
Yeah good luck with that,
>>344669889
seriously, I don't know what alternative upgrade is but you're a fool if you don't pick magnetic arm. that shit saved me more times than I can count.
>>344674405
I like Eiger but i don't want to wife her because she is a shitter. All she does it bitch about how Monica didn't make her the leader, then keeps coming back saying how wrong she was near the end of the game. Fuck Eiger.
3/10 only because shes good in combat. would not wife.
>>344673903
The quality sucks but you can see the camo guy on the ground is actually white.
It looks like he was just beating up a bunch of drunk homeless people.
>>344674313
No, she's LITERALLY losing her soul. It belongs to demons, and even in the here and now all those shitty, invasive old replacements separate her from what makes her human.
She purposefully rides the line on losing her humanity so demons don't constantly fuck with her.
>>344674365
I think you're right. I always thought the people he was fighting were black but they look white now that I watch it again.
>>344673460
>I like broken refrigerators
ftfy
>>344667590
>choosing that edgy slut
>not wanting to climb those mountains
>>344674587
It's not the end. More like the halfway point. Then she's probably your strongest supporter, tied with Brotrich.
>>344674609
>It belongs to demons
See >>344672602 >>344672783
>>344674736
Howroughwould sex with Glory get?
>>344671497
she's obviously ultimate tsundere for strangler bao, anon
>>344674587
>he doesn't want a tsundere amazon woman to bashfully admit she was wrong and then invite you for a good succ of dic at the end of the game
If I could shake my head any harder, family, it would fly off to be quite honest
>>344674816
That's only after she's already fucked her essence up beyond belief over multiple years, though. She can't really fix it.
I'm gonna invite Eiger out on a date!
>Playan dorf rigger in Dragonfall
How should I build character
Also I'm struggling to use Dietrich right cos his arsenal of offsneive attacks have dick all chance of hitting
>>344674838
How rough would sex with a band saw get? Same thing.
>>344674838
Whoops meant Eiger
But Glory is fair game too
>>344667590
Both are inferior to Dreaded Queen of Vampires.
>>344674992
riggers are a bitch to build in a sensible manner
just give him some op raifu and hope you won't die often
>>344675080
I really liked how it wasn't just a cliche grimdark character. I laughed out loud and woke up my roommate when she started acting embarrassed and explained she was just a regular person in a bad spot
>>344674992
Mage. Dwarves are inherently good mages, and no one of your companions has that covered.
>>344674236
I have no fucking clue what they were going for with the 3d models in these games
like what the fuck happened
When the fuck is HBS going to get over that silly battletech fad and make a new shadowrun
>>344674736
>mfw that's literally the only halfway decent lewd of Eiger
So pure.
>>344675097
Crap, I went SMG because I thought that was more thematic for guys stuck fiddling with drones half the time.
I got lvl 6 in my SMG, is there any hope left for me?
Also I got a future-G11 but I gave it to Eiger because come on why wouldn't a former KSK operator not rock one of those and it murders people repeatedly
>>344675335
it doesn't matter because the game is never zoomed in that much. making a big deal out of revealing them was a mistake though, yes.
>>344669421
>talking shit about Duncan "I have literally arrested a god, this is not a nickname but a warning" Wu
wew
>>344675195
Good writing, all across the board, even back in Dead Man's Switch. I recommended these games countless times and I'll keep recommending them for all eternity.
>>344674992
Treat Dietrich as a support mage - haste, heal, unbalance, aim etc., he's not really a heavy hitter but the game is so easy (even on Hard), and he's such a cool character, that I took him with me almost everywhere.
>>344675486
I think there's a certain charm to them. It reminds me of psychonauts
>>344675362
To be honest their "silly" battletech game looks more interesting, gameplay-wise anyway, than any of their Shadowrun games.
Either way, both are licensed games, so they're reliant on what the license holder allows them to do with it. If whoever owns Shadowrun these days lets them make another SR game after they're done with the BT one, I doubt they'll turn it down.
Dragonfall is the superior game, therefor Glory is the superior girl.
>>344675583
Hong Kong had WAY too much NPC diatribe I did not care one bit for. Like that entire family of trolls running a night club, for example.
>mfw Reliable Matthew
That shit hit me really hard for some reason. Is there even a good outcome for his story?
>>344675583
Me too, though I always recommend taking DMS' maps and throwing them into dragonfall's custom game folder. It converts the maps perfectly and you can play on a better engine.the first time I played it I accidentally just played dragonfall on the old engine because I didn't know any better
>>344675696
They're both from Dragonfall, dum dum.
>>344675667
the battletech thing was a joke famalam. I think I still have some of my old trading cards lying around here
>>344668752
Barrier, mind wipe, confusion, haste, general battlefield control. I let my crew mop up. The enemy can't kill you if they can't do anything.
>>344667590
Eiger, fucking Glory would be like throwing a wiener down a well.
>>344675731
>that entire family of trolls running a night club
Awww I like those, the father and mother well well written too. I do agree there was far too much writing overall, if they could cut back like 30% of the dialogues the game would flow better, but it was never bad or thrwaway filler so I didn't really care.
>>344675731
If you let him keep doing the personality chip things he explains that he realizes the danger but he's happier. That way, he tells you, the salesman matthew can look out for the scared and vulnerable matthew.
>>344675362
the game they've been workin on is coming out tomorrow, necropolis looks gud
>>344675731
he's too far gone to save
you can get him to work with the implants instead of letting them run him, but he doesn't want to be the one in control
>>344675583
I wish his totem was more useful to non-casters, though.
Best waifu is that qt dwarf that's in your party for the Lodge test run mission
>>344674992
Intelligence will be your main stat. Back it up with some firepower capability (Rifle is recommended). Charisma is recommended so you have the ability to get more karma and get past certain situations easier. Get Charisma to 6, Biotech to 4, focus on the Intelligence stats more, then dump whatever else you have towards your gun or spellcasting skills. Anything extra can go towards Dodge or Body.
I would say to start off:
4 Intelligence
4 Drone Control
4 Drone Combat
4 Body
4 Charisma (choose Corporate and Security etiquettes)
2 Quickness
2 Ranged Combat
2 Rifle
2 Biotech
You can also swap out using guns for spellcasting instead since you already have 1 free Willpower point:
4 Intelligence
4 Drone Control
4 Drone Combat
4 Body
4 Charisma (choose Corporate and Security etiquettes)
3 Willpower
3 Spellcasting
2 Biotech
Dietrich is more of a support class. His real offense comes from his summoning.
>>344676071
why wouldn't they make a headset that fit an elf's ears? That shit would be super uncomfortable
>>344676078
oh shit really? I'm gonna check it out then. I'm a sucker for low poly graphics
>learn about Simmy's abortion
>immediately start thinking of loss
Dragonfall is fucking fantastic and I've yet to play HK but I really hope they're gonna do more Shadowrun. I love the universe and it seems they're the only ones that want to tackle it and are actually decent at it.
>>344668752
Mage is best, kind of a bitch early but becomes strong as fuck later on.
>>344676198
>doing work for the lodge
>>344676198
The one that cries and runs away possibly to kill herself because she blew some some peeps? Yeah, she was pretty fuckable. Wifeable too maybe.
>>344676071
>zero-personality elf slut NPC
I'd take fucking Coyote over her.
>>344676350
Go play HK famalam. The epilogue campaign really ties everything together. And you get to give duncan what he deserves.
>>344675731
I was only annoyed by Miao because you NEED to listen to her for the best resolution at the end of the game because you need to hear what her mother discovered.
>>344668053
her character quest is the craziest shit ever, though
>>344676447A dick in his mouth?
>>344676387
>being this much of a moralfag to not work for the lodge
didn't know shadowrunners were such pussyqueers
>>344676451
Her dialogue always fucked up for me towards endgame. Now that I think about it, so did the decker vendor. At one point it was both him, and the guy that replaces him when you don't save him in time. It was weird.
>>344676274
there's a lad streaming it right now, it looks really good
if you know anybody canadian, pay them to buy the game, since it's about 9$ cheaper in the cad store
>>344676350
Well, there's Chronicles but it wasn't made by the same team. I think HBS will definitely return to Shadowrun after Battletech and they'll probably go full 3D after they get some experience working with it.
>>344676451
>missed one conversation with her
>forever locked out of the best ending
Fucking faggot shit.
>>344676603
enjoy working for fucking satan lmao
>>344676581
I mean kinda. A metaphorical dick in his mouth.
>>344676619
Boston Lockdown is not a good game. I wouldn't bother.
>>344676603
When it came to the lodge, I never betrayed my clients. I would do their simpler objectives though like letting that guy escape or telling the other guy they have a message for him. I feel like betraying your clients would ruin your reputation as a Shadowrunner, so that's why I didn't give them the prototype for example.
>>344676198
>Do the mission
>She cries and blames you
>Fail the mission
>She cries and blames you
yeah you can keep her.
I wonder what sex with a female troll be like. All "snu-snu" and broken pelvis jokes aside, they're HUGE and powerful, even if you were a bodybuilder you'd still only be in a regular role reversal where she can pick you up and fuck you against the wall, instead of vice versa. There's also the issue of sizes, even a huge human dick won't satisfy. I'd use that to my advantage and instead play shy and intimidated and ask her to be gentle with me so she gets aroused of being in control. It's not like I could overpower her, flip her over and force-fuck her, I might as well go with the program.
Trolls canonically also have lots of patches of hard skin, horns and rough bony bumps and such, it wouldn't be very pleasant to look at.
>>344676619
Chronicles is pretty cool if you play it for the gameplay and the co-op, but the story and characters are lame.
>>344676603
>morals
more like fucking common sense and sense of survival
>>344667590
Eiger's best waifu material, Gobbet's best fucking material. Wallowing around in filth fucking like rabbits and never showering so you both reek of one another is a favorite of mine so Gobbet gets bonus points for seemingly being in to that.
>>344676350
Only mission I didn't like was the Humanis one.
>"Hey, I got this relative thats in there because of necesity but he dindu nuffin, please take me so I can save him."
>After having to kill at least 20 guys who could've been in similar situations.
>"Yeah, we killed those fuckers, high five!"
I feel like that part could've been handled better, a couple skill checks could've made a big difference.
>>344676603
>wanting to be the super Illuminati's bitch for the rest of your life
No thanks.
>>344676608
>don't save him in time
?
You mean at the storm?
Or afteryou kill him yourself?
I kept him safe.
>>344674902
I liked how Bao eventually comes to genuinely respect you. Still, quarter-inch bow.
>>344676829
>There's also the issue of sizes, even a huge human dick won't satisfy.
Anal
>>344677056
Y'know, when Strangler Bao is like "yo nigga deal with his fuckface or I will" and I was like "yes"
But here's the thing. I forgot to do it. Any of it. So the game bugged out, and usually bao just kills him and replaces him with some mannequin guy. But there was also the first guy there, still stuck in his "please don't kill me I was a good boy I dindu nuffin i need mo credits fo dem ICEbreakers"
It was surreal.
>>344676829
technically on a human the female g-spot is only like 3-4 inches into the vagina. So on a troll you'd only need like a ~6-7 inch dick by mynot-calculations. But you can trust me I'm a doctor.
Anyone working on new campaigns? Any campaigns you'd recommend?
>>344668752
Street samurai because I'm a boring fuck.
>>344673539
I know, right? Imagine getting a tug from one of those claws while the other one is fondling your ballsack. I'd be cumming buckets.
>>344677429
Are you a Troll-Human sexual intercourse specialist?
It's not about length, it's about girth. Also you will likely need like a belt sander to her clitoris to arouse her.
>>344676829
Get a troll bull that can please her like she deserves
>>344677429
i'm good then
>>344677591
>wanting sharp, cold metal objects near your junk
Nah.
>>344677634
>Are you a Troll-Human sexual intercourse specialist?
doctors are specialist at a lot of things, anon. And she'll get aroused on the power trip. Literally all you need to do is stir up that g-spot like hot gumbo. Or maybe chili. Whichever one needs more stirring.
>>344677480
Well the original devs release Necropolis tomorrow.
I hope they go back to another ShadowRun game afterwards.
They seem to work really fast, its almost 1 game every year.
>>344676603
Hell yes. Lodge missions best missionsexcept the first one where they're testing you.
>>344677975
For SR they already had the engine, models etc..
Looking forward to Necropolis, it looksfun.
>>344667590
Eiger for life. Glory is damaged goods. Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
>>344678235
A bit too expensive for my taste tho.
Were the SR games the same price on release?
>>344677975
i meant user-made campaigns, anon
they're usually forward-compatible - in fact i started the thing i'm doing while playing dragonfall
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
Did we even play the same game? What are you talking about? Dietrich was the biggest bro.
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
>>344678249
>ywn experience one of Dietrich's punk shows
Why even live, famalamadingdong?
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt
What did he do to you, anon?
>>344678235
Wouldn't mind if they kept releasing campaigns in the same engine either. They seem like a small'ish studio anyway, an engine change might kill them.
>>344677024
Now that I think about it that is a little weird. Ii didn't like the APEX mission because it Monika seem a kinda Mary Sue-ish.
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
RIGHT
FUCKING
NOWDELETE THIS
>>344667989
Not maxing out her melee abilities. The fuck is wrong with you. She's a slaughter machine when boosted up. Huge range, multiple attacks, boosted reflexes for dodges, stacking bleeding damage.
Forget her pistol it's just there for looks.
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
You meant Blitz, right?
>>344678362
>"Dietrich, you can sing?"
>He eyes you. "I was the leader of a punk band, boss. Of course I can't sing."or something of that nature
>>344678530
Holy shit I actually forgot that character existed.
Glad you reminded me so I never have to think of him again.
>thread turns into sex with metal and trolls to stirring chili or gumbo
>next is chili and gumbo recipes
Can you keep playing after the ending?
>>344678249
>Dietrich was a fucking cunt.
Were you born a giant faggot or did you have to work hard at it?
>>344677737
>he doesn't want to get his junk tickled by twitchy mechanical apendages that are hooked up to a mentally unstable hot chick
What are you, some kind of faggot?
>>344668752
Shaman. Throw down buffs, meet any charisma check, some status effect moves, summon a damage sponge spirit, and let my allies do the damage.
It's not a min/maxer build, but I like it.
>>344678342
>forget him for the humanis shit
>"FUCK YOU IM NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU EVER AGAIN WAAAH"
fucking little crybaby bitch
>>344678249
Your mother was a dumb whore with a fat ass.
>>344667590
for my pee pee or combat
>pee pee
Eiger
>combat
Glory
although that end part where she asks you to get a drink and then the game in detail explains you having butterflies was pretty boner inducing, shame I couldn't actually go get the drink with her before that Lowfyr faggot showed up.
Then again the butterflies could also have been some devil curse.
>>344667752
also good for me pee pee
>>344674992
>playing rigger
>ever
You have nobody to blame but yourself. At least it's not a decker, but just barely.
>>344678906
>fuck up the mission requirements
>blame the game
Top kek, lad.
>>344679069
>he doesn't like deckers
Get a load of this chummer
>>344669621
everyone always has to have some fucking jester themed character like they think they are being clever
what's the best builds in DF? already played a standard rifle guy
>>344679315
Mage is pretty OP
Shaman is pretty OP
I think all the builds are pretty viable. I'd stay away from Handguns, SMGs, and pure melee though. They're possible but it's harder.
>>344679315
Mage is always cool.
I loved Physical Adept in Hong Kong, but I didn't play one in DF so I don't know if they're as good in that one.
>>344679315
I always figured it would make sense to spec in a way that makes the worst part of the games bearable.
So decker.
What stats would the guy on pic related have?
>>344673539
>>344677591
>>344677737
>>344678816
which glory build do you think gives her better control over her grip
>>344679757
1 Strength
4 Quickness
4 Ranged Combat
4 Handguns
11 Intelligence
11 Decking
11 ESP Control
1 Willpower
1 Charisma
3 Body
>>344679757
half-decent decker. Probably zero charisma with slightly above intelligence. Zero combat experience.
>>344679875
Looks like shit.
>>344679243
>he unironically likes the most useless and boring class in the game
You must be really fun at parties.
>>344669621
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humour.
I've only played the base game campaign and thought it was pretty mediocre. What do I play now
>>344679875
>shitty face
>arms are nothing like the ingame ones
Into the trash it goes.
>>344680198
look up user made stories on the workshop
>>344680129
>>344680198
the base campaign of what. There's three of them
>>344679757
Looks like a complete pussy and has a bunch of useless tech shit on him, so he'd either be a decker or rigger. Probably rigger because of the power glove + nes gamepad combo.
>>344680112
Without the PC being a good decker, you won't be able to see all the content in the game.
What makes decking so boring anyways? It's far from useless either. Like in the first Lodge mission you can skip the last two battles if you have a good decking skills.
And who the fuck wants Blitz to tag along as your decker?
>>344680198
Play them in release order. DMS -> Dragonfall -> Hong Kong.
Dead Man's Switch is the worst of the bunch, the sequels are both much better in gameplay, level design and writing.
>>344680103
>>344680212
I know, right? The model even has alternate armswhich are just regular non-mechanical arms. Fucking disgusting.
>>344679875
>that eyeshadow
>that chin
>those arms
>>344680369
Face is fucking disgusting as well.
>>344679875
Pure melee, obviously. With strength and quickness maxed out for grip and dexterity.
How many endings are there?
Wait, people don't like Riggers? My Rigger was hilariously broken in Dragonfall very early on, though most classes probably end up that way.
>>344680563
Rigger is my favorite class in tabletop, they're just kinda boring in the base game compared to the other classes. You'd probably have a lot more riggers if they could make, for instance, vehicles or custom weapons.
>rigger creates a hollowed out cyber-arm that shoots a swarm of tiny drones
>BEEEEES
What do you think of when you see this man?
>>344668752
Monofilament whip troll. Literally god like.
In the table top i run rigger, shit gets bananas but its fun
>>344679875
Are those arms taken from Adam Jensen? They look nothing like Glory's
>>344680790
The guy I never used. Also kind of a fuck up.
>>344680790
Carrots.
>>344680790
"damn that's an ugly portrait, when are they going to fire the guy who made the returns portraits? he can't paint for shit"
>>344680798
Now that you mention it, they do look kinda like jensen's with some claws added on. I didn't make the model though. Just an animator.
>>344668447
>MARRYING AND FALLING IN LOVE WITH A DEMON.
Heh okay dipshit.
>>344680765
They really need to expand on riggers with personalized drones and more customization options.
>>344680765
I wish I had a shadowrun table top group. Fuck that sounds so fun
>>344680790
All I remember is that his personal storyline didn't have any kind of satisfying conclusion.
>>344680790I liked him
>>344681178
He wasn't terrible, just really bland compared to the other characters.
>>344681093
Do you like rolling hundreds of dice to do very little?
>>344677975
They've got robotech to finish after necropolis.
>>344681093
>>344681356
http://lookrobot.co.uk/2013/10/14/ten-things-hate-shadowrun/
>>344681356
Yes? I used to play DnD with a group back in college, but I never got to play a cyberpunk one.
>>344679510
i rekt shit with my smg rigger.
was fun
>>344680346
>Without the PC being a good decker, you won't be able to see all the content in the game.
I've done playthroughs with no deckers on my team and ones with the PC being a dedicated decker, and you're not missing much. Maybe this would be a more viable point in tabletop Shadowrun, but that depends heavily on the DM.
>What makes decking so boring anyways
Because it's the exact same shit as regular combat, only way more limited in terms of shit you can do and slower because you have 1 character (unless you really hate yourself and bring along more than one decker) and a few shitty summons. And combat isn't the most exciting part of Shadowrun to begin with. And that's the just videogames, in tabletop it's even worse.
>It's far from useless either
It is, though. Mainly because decking doesn't really give you any major benefits, and also because you're using up a space that could be taken up by a better character. And the decker itself is basically a wasted character, especially if it's the PC.
the combat in this game is fucking xcom tier
pure RNG
>enemy throws grenade
>it misses
>still lands near my teammates, crits, and does massive damage or knocks them out for 2 turns
REEEEEEEEEE
>>344681082
Yeah, it sucks that in the game they were just basically a pet class.
>>344681093
Keep in mind you're probably not going to grow as attached to the other player characters as you would the groups in dragonfall and hong kong. Tabletop isn't bad, but it's about as fun as the players make it.
>>344680790
I feel pity for him, for he had the terrible misfortune of being born a ginger. Either that, or he made a conscious decision to dye his hair ginger, which is just as unfortunate, really.
>>344681730
>xcom
>Shadowrun
>pure RNG
Choose one, genius.
It's about setting yourself up so that failure is next to impossible.
Use your fucking head.
Nobody hits every single shot in real life, either.
>>344668752
Full pistols
3x chain shot with the 3 top tier pistols on flanked/armor broken enemies is probably the highest single turn damage potential in the game.
It can be tricky to get that ideal situation set up, but that's what makes it interesting.
What did you guys think about the Hong Kong epilogue?You didn't fuck over your team so that you could go be some nobody with that faggot orc, did you?
>>344667752
good answer
>>344669421
>killed Gaichu because he was a filthy ghoul or whatever
>never used Racter
ayyy
>>344682185
>What did you guys think about the Hong Kong epilogue?
The whole thing felt like a shallow Kickstarter obligation, the missions were tedious (especially that fucking Detention level with waves upon waves of fully-armored enemies), and the choice of antagonist was lame. I'd play it once just to get it out of the way and then never visit it again.
>>344682185
Fuck no I didn't. I didn't spend 7 years in prison, get out, become the most badass shadowrunner ever, kill a FUCKING WORLD-ENDING DEMON, and become bros with my team, just to throw it all away for the biggest buzzkill ever born.
>>344667590
i don't remember the long armed girl at all.. so eiger.
i've only played dragonfall, was cool but i don't remember the ending i got at all.
how's the other shadowruns? I hear they arem or of the same
>>344681997
>It's about setting yourself up so that failure is next to impossible.
this nigga gets it. Being tacticool and setting up area of denial spells and getting the right reaction shots are the best failure-safeguard
>>344682374
That's mostly how I feel about it too.
I thought the ending was well thought out, but everything else seemed like less than half of what it should be.
Really easy since you're almost certainly going to be max level at that point, pretty uninspired design. Two sidequests that don't really contribute anything to an already short campaign.
Two hubs that you don't really have any reason to use.
The final mission was fun though. And I really liked that ending.
>>344681680
I'm not familiar with the tabletop games but I can't see them being completely useless in the video games. The PC makes the best decker I think. You can help compound the decker's ability with ranged combat, spellcasting, or charisma in the games too. They can still be a valuable soldier/mage/shaman on top of their decking abilities that can make your life easier.
>>344682320
I didn't care much for Gaichu, partially because I was a close combat specialist myself and partially because I just didn['t find him interesting, but Racter was pretty cool.
>>344682710
>>344682374
I liked it just because I wanted more shadowrun. While it wasn't up to par with the base game it's not like it was horrible or something. And I liked that they gave you some closure at the end.
>>344682760
>They can still be a valuable soldier/mage/shaman on top of their decking abilities that can make your life easier.
Or you could make the character a great soldier/mage/shaman if you disregard decking altogether, getting much more use out of him. That's my point. Sure, decking can make your life easier by disabling an occasional security cam or stealing some info for extra cash, but not picking it up and instead spending the points on other things makes your life even better. In the playthroughs that I've done with no deckers, I never found myself thinking "gee, I sure wish I had a decker in my team right now". Like I said, this could be different in a tabletop scenario if the DM decides to be a real dick and makes the campaign heavily reliant or even impossible without decking, but in the three games so far, it's basically wasted points and novelty.
>>344667752
>No romance with Gobbet.
What a disappointing game. I wanted some disgusting, crusty garbage sex.
>>344683297
In a tabletop scenario, if you have a decker who jacks in, does the DM have to take him out of the room and describe shit to him one-on-one? Since no one else is jacked in, I mean.
>>344681730
t. faggot that gets all his group together against enemies with grenades
>>344673243
>Not realizing that it was manipulating you from the start with the Monica shit when it said that it chose you for being "rational" and taking emotions out of the equation.
bruh......
>>344682584
I've only played Dead mas switch, so I'll say that its the weakest as far for me. I liked it up until we started going to the brotherhood thing which seemed a bit generic but the game has a nice pace and the writing for the characters is very good.
>>344683538
Nope. The decker basically gets to play his own mini-campaign for a while while the rest of the players go take a piss or get some snacks. Or just sit around the table and think about ways of murdering the decker without it being obvious. Not even kidding, if you thought that having to skip turns with the rest of your team while a decker fucks around in cyber space is bad enough in the vidya, decking in the tabletop version is like that but even worse, because there are actual dice rolls going on and even a short decking session can last anywhere up to 15 minutes, during which the rest of the players do absolutely fuck all.
Which is why any good Shadowrun DM either houserules the fuck out of decking to speed it up somehow, or just cuts that shit out completely and makes NPCs do it.
>>344683808
>get your group together against enemies with grenades
>Duncan has his magnetic arm
gg wp
>>344684153
That sounds fucking terrible
How do I stop being a faggot and switch from an assault rifle totting street samurai to a SMG or shotgun one?
Assault rifles are just way too good, can SMGs even compare to them with a proper build?
>>344684473
Shotguns never did wrong by me. I always roll shotty streetsam.
>>344684153
>even a short decking session can last anywhere up to 15 minutes
Wow.
>>344684473
SMG's are universally trash.
Don't ever make a character with them.
>>344681730
>he takes 5% shots at people in full cover half the map away
>"miss? wtf augh this rng"
>>344683538
>>344684153
>>344684361
>>344684586
pizza runs for deckers are a thing of 2e-3e
4e and 5e have fixed that by making the deckers wireless and engaging in real time AR so if you plan on playing current gen shit that won't be a problem
Would you a troll, /v/?
>>344685217
Certainly not that one.
>>344685217
That brings up an interesting question. Do you think the non-white races goblinized more? Like jigaboos and beaners became Orcs more often?
>>344685468
Isn't a lot of that based on cultural heritage?
>>344684361
It's a cool concept in itself, being able to enter the goddamn matrix in a physical form and actually punch a firewall instead of just staring at a screen with a bunch of gibberish on it, Hollywood style, but the implementation has never worked well.
>>344684586
Once again, that depends on how much of a dick the DM wants to be and thus how much protective shit he puts into the cyberspace. I've once been in a campaign where it took our decker almost an hour in real time to hack three security cameras, a fingerprint scanner, and a door. That was the moment when our group decided to tell the DM to cut that shit out because it was getting fucking ridiculous.
>>344684746
Well now, that sounds nice. I must admit, I am a fan of the classic editions of tabletops, including Shadowrun, so I don't have a lot of experience with the new editions. But that sounds like it would certainly improve the experience. Still, the memories remain to this day, and whatever improvements were made to the tabletops didn't exactly carry over to the videogames it would seem, as the vidya decking brings back all the bad times.
Romance doesn't belong in Shadowrun and it does, it should be hella fucking shallow
>>344669965
Harlequin's design significantly predates Hisoka
>>344686153
Are you saying that love can't bloom on a battlefield?
>>344686208
No shit, Sherlock. He is a harlequin.
>>344686208
What's the story with Harlequin? He barely made a blip with me when I played the first Shadowrun game but he's hated here.
>>344685468
>Do you think the non-white races goblinized more? Like jigaboos and beaners became Orcs more often?
Not really, but there are different types. Like how orcs and trolls in Hong Kong are lankier.
>>344686153
Depends entirely on your group.
Romance can be done well in any setting, even though it's rarely actually done well to begin with.
>>344669591
This
Racter is the best
>>344686417
He's a major player in Shadowrun and Earthdawn tabletop games. For context, Earthdawn is the fourth age while Shadowrun is the sixth age of the same setting.
>>344686460
>Like how orcs and trolls in Hong Kong are lankier.
that's not actually racial dimorphism but HBS improving on the existing models to make them less monstrous and more antropomorphic like they're supposed to look like, the old models were made that way for metatype readability on smaller screens since returns and DF were also mobile games and HK is strictly for desktop
>>344686646
Racter was an edgy 12-year old boy masquerading as some Slavic intellectual
>>344669591
Properly drugged up Gaichu in Haven stance wrecks shit like it's nothing. I also really like how brutal and dark his personal mission was.
>>344686417
He's some immortal 10,000 year old overpowered as shit elf.
People hate him in Returns for a ton of reasons, including but not limited to retconning his power into something so pathetic and a general hatred of the nihilistic jester trope.
>>344686417
He is an ancient edgelord elf that is also a franchise pet character that is treated as the main character of the setting.
>>344686417
Harlequin is one of the immirtal elves of the setting.
Immortal elves are literally special snowflakes made of asspulls and everybody hates them for it. One of them is literally called frosty iirc.
>tfw you'll never have a cute orcfu
Why even live?
>>344686771
Too bad that DMS gives you none of this backstory and literally pulls him out of nowhere for the last bit of the game. Though they do treat Aljernon like he's someone really important in the games, so I wonder how he's in the tabletop stuff.
>>344686884
And now you know why he's so beloved around here.
>>344686417
People that shits on Harlequin is the same kind of people that hates fun and take everything too seriously.
>>344687314
Aljernon Half-Dream is an ever bigger special snowflake, but he's not in the forefront so he's not as annoying.
>Glory leading the cult
Despite how utterly wrong it is for her character development, I can't help but love it because of what it implies to happen between the player character and Glory.
>>344687520
So I'm guessing the devs are massive cucks and there isn't a single human being who's up there in the power levels, right?
>>344668581
Is it just me or was Hong Kong way too easy? I think the only really difficult mission in the entire game is that one where you have to rescue a loli out of a building and then choose not to ally with either corporation so you gotta fight them both at the same time. Even that one boils down to good positioning and letting them kill each other firs.t
>>344687308
>the troll is rocking a suit again
Heh.
>>344687308
A tall-ish woman with a couple tiny tusks is no orc, that's an inoffensive Japanese anime character. orc are large, deformed and very muscular. A female orc would, at the very least, look like a female human body builder.
They also live to like 50 so have fun with your orcfu while she's still alive.
>>344687721
>what it implies to happen between the player character and Glory.
which would be?
>>344674601
>Implying white people can't be niggers
Take a trip to Russia or the Southern USA
>>344687809
Probably some headcanon fanfic.
>>344687739
Why should they? Humans are weak.
>>344687739
Pretty much. It's all ancient elves or dragons. Which is kinda why the meta of Shadowrun is boring as fuck and you just want to read the lore. Although it makes sense structurally because shadowrunners by default aren't moves and shakers in the world, you're just mercs doing shady jobs for the highest bidder. As a rule you never get to affect the world on any notable scale.
>>344687809
Romance.
Obviously, not the usual lovey-dovey stuff, but it's kind of implied she'd use the cult and have them work for your mutual benefit and you two would become a thing.
>>344687768
>Hong Kong way too easy
I played all three games on the harder difficulty just to be challenged in some way, and Hong Kong STILL felt like playing on Easy. But you take the good with the bad.
That fake-loli mission ending was tough as shit, I'll give them that. I wonder how it would take place if I decided to tell both armies to go fuck themselves.
>>344687806
This is official Shadowrun art.
If they say it's an orc, it's an orc.
>>344667989
>Glory is total shit in combat
Even if all you ever did with her was flush dudes out of cover, she was invaluable.
>>344688115
That is no Orc. I refuse.
>>344688075
>I wonder how it would take place if I decided to tell both armies to go fuck themselves.
You fight both at the same time and pray they decide to go for each other instead of your characters. They also have couple of waves of reinforcements each.
>>344688020
If you're playing as a girl that is.
>>344688310
I played as a guy though.
>>344688278
It's not too hard if you or Duncan have the grenade arm.
Do the Shadowrun games have mods to make them more challenging?
>>344667752
[eat her oyster]
>>344688396
You missed out on dialogue then.
>>344688415
There's a tweak you can make to the enemy in Hong Kong to give them more actions per round which makes them slightly less nerfed than they normally would be.
>>344687956
>>344687972
Yeah, humans in particular and runners in general don't get the special snowflake mary sue powers, but humans make up for that in being crafty fuckers and always being determined to become the top dog. Look at all the RPGs that have humans becoming godlike through sheer willpower and shit like that, usually practicing magic until they become nearly omnipotent. Magic exists in Shadowrun as well, so why couldn't there be a human mage/shaman who's so hardcore that even the dragons are like "whoa now man, take it easy". And it's not just mages either, because you also have semi-magical monks, and if there's a human monk in Forgotten Realms who can resist a spell that stops all time everywhere just through his own power, why not have something like that in Shadowrun?
>>344688403
Problem is you will end up fighting 15+ enemies at once if you're not fast enough in eliminating current enemies. Their reinforcements came at set intervals no matter how many units are on the field. Basically, if two corporations end up fighting each other you're good to go but that's entirely RNG from what I've seen.
>>344688267
I guess you should refuse to play Shadowrun, then. :^)
>>344688709
Because shadowrun is cyberpunk. The man always wins. If the man loses then it stops being cyberpunk.
>>344688709
Because Shadowrun has just recently had a magical re-awakening which sparked all the metahumans and other things happening. Earthdawn aka 4th Age was rich as fuck in magic and that's where all the heavy hitters come from. You basically can't compete on raw power alone and whatever teachings mortal races have are pitiful to millennia of training and experience these important characters have.
>>344688698
> Just a note: since all AI now uses gumboscript, you can edit the SRHK_Data\StreamingAssets\ContentPacks\HongKong\data\ai\gumbo_*.gumbo.bytes files (they're just text files) and increment the MAX_ATTACKS and DEFAULT_LOOPS values by 1. This'll allow every enemy to make 2 attacks per turn instead of 1 (though 2-AP enemies will likely still spend one of their APs moving into cover and/or to flank a player), which can increase challenge quite a bit!
Caveat: I probably wouldn't apply the same change to the IC AI, since it may result in Is0 getting brain-fried by some of the combat encounters before she has a chance to summon two ESPs and get into cover. Similarly, I don't think applying this change to the AI used by enemy casters would help too much, since they use multi-AP attacks and can already cast a support spell + attack spell in the same turn...
Do elves in shadowrun have larger lifespan or they are just humans with higher magical abilities and knife ears?
>>344688709
>HFY faggotry
Yeah, you can just fuck right off now.
>>344688709
Because humans are the slavs of Shadowrun.
>>344689207
Some of them are literally immortal, but all of them have a (potential) lifespan of several hundred years.
Of course, runners don't usually live their full lifespan, so it's a bit of a moot point.
>>344688963
As I side note I just re-read Neuromancer recently and it's still a great fucking book, despite its 80's origins. Almost no cringe worthy tech, really good characters and genuine originality. It didn't hit me as cliche' at all, which I thought would be inevitable since it literally started the genre.
This has been a great thread, thanks OP. Been a while since I've had this much fun on /v/. It's good to know Shadowrun still has a good fanbase on /v/.
>>344688963
Who says that an ancient human mage couldn't be the man?
>>344688964
What if a human studies under someone with those millennia of experience and takes it all in, eventually surpassing his master?
>>344689209
U wot m8?
>>344689237
I thought orcs were the slavs of all RPG games.
>>344689452
Neuromancer has aged reasonably well, yeah.
I recently tried rereading Snow Crash and I had to put it down because the cringe was too strong.
>>344689542
We still haven't answered the most important question, though:
We know what fucking a robot is like,
but what would fucking a troll be like?
I need to know if I could survive an encounter with Eiger.
>>344689628
Neuromancer has aged reasonably well, aside from some shitty hardware spec predictions, because Gibson admitted to knowing literally nothing about technology when he wrote the book. In a sense that left him operating outside of the box and getting creative with shit.
>>344689543
Just give up. You can't be a special snowflake. Live in the dirt like the rest of the worms or find a different setting where you can be rainbow princess, saviour of all humans.
>>344689452
>>344689628
Yeah, Neuromancer is just a solid adventure story.
>>344689728
Surviving it wouldn't be the issue. Even enjoying it wouldn't be difficult.
Making HER enjoy it, now there's a challenge.
>>344689207
elves, just like all the other races, are meta humans aka mutated humans due to the return of magic to earth. some people here are talking about ANCIENT elves, though. these survived for thousands of years and are not the same kind.
>>344667590
This is game is great and just in time for a thread as I just played Shadowrun Returns for the first time last week. I even made a second run with a human decker assault rifle characer that used drones, my first one being a female elf shaman with smg( big mistake).
I really liked the game and setting it had a nice pace even tho it felt a little bit rushed near the end. Very good art and good writing, it was a bit too short for me as I wanted more tacticool combat.
I just read throught the whole thread and now am currently installing dragonfall. Can't wait to stir shit up, have no idea what to make, maybe an mage or street samurai, I might try shaman again if it has new and better spells abilities.
>>344689728
>I need to know if I could survive an encounter with Eiger.
If she's gentle enough. Maybe we'll find out if Earth is ever overrun with metahumans. Maybe one day.
>>344690004
Shaman is definitely more fun in Dragonfall than it was in Returns, in my opinion.
>>344689808
I don't want to be neither a princess nor a savior, I'm just saying that there is no good reason why only non-humans can be special snowflakes in Shadowrun.
>>344690004
Roll a mage. No other companion has that covered and you can always use some versatility.
>>344689728
>but what would fucking a troll be like?
Like violently thrusting your dick in and out of a vice which occasionally clamps down on it with bone crushing force, I would imagine. Just look at those thighs, man.
>>344689628
Snow crash if fine. You just don't like Stephenson's style anymore.
>>344690092
>tfw you will never be held down forcefully by beautiful savage females twice as big as you and fucked silly
>>344667752
>good chunk of her leveling up options focus on spirits
>there's literally ONE level where there are enough spirits to justify investing that much
I liked her totem, though.
>>344674609
This is such a good background for an edgy character like her. Dragonfall had really good writing sometimes
>>344690149
Because humans don't live long enough and don't have enough magic.
Dragons and ancient elves have lived for thousands of years, are virtually immortal, and have control, either directly or indirectly, over pretty much anything that matters in the grand scheme. You're not going to catch up with them.
The best you can do is become head of some powerful corp, but even then it's likely someone will be pulling your strings, with or without your knowledge, from behind the scenes.
That's just the kind of setting it is. It's cyberpunk. You ain't shit, and if you were it would stop being cyberpunk.
>>344690004
Cant go wrong with mage in Dragonfall because the only other mage you have is a shaman so he's not super useful with damage spells but he's pretty good with buffs but late game for mage is where it's at. You can buff yourself and team and you have some craft damaging aoe spells and can debuff, stun, sleep enemies. Shit's just fun for mage. In SRR, I played a sam but it just doesn't compare to mage in DF.
>>344690305
>Just look at those thighs, man
I wish I could; there's no rule34 on her anywhere.
>>344690334
I'm pretty sure that's an achievable goal, anon. Find a moderately good looking female bodybuilder. They're always looking for extra cash for their supplements and steroids.
>>344690308
It's just that a lot of the stuff that used to be an amusing parody has now been done straigh-faced by so many underage edgelords that it stops being enjoyable and just dives head-first into full retard territory. Call it Seinfeld syndrome if you want, but the moment I have to deal with a legendary super-hacker who wears a black leather kimono and dual-wields katanas, my gag-reflex kicks in.
>>344681730
the combat in shadowrun is far too easy and shallow even on the hardest difficulty
>>344690562https://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1509692
>>344681542
there is so much just plain-wrong and filled with backwards-logic that I'm going to write that guy a letter, telling him he's retarded
I finished Dragonfall as a Mage. I bought Hong Kong but I can't start it because I'm undecided on what kind of character to play. 9 decides what I play
>>344690856
Play a mage as well.
>>344681093
>bought Shadowrun core rule book last year(as the only birthdaypresent I got) from my own money
>all this insane amounts of stuff to memorize and take notes on
>everytime I get the urge to play it with my friends I isntantly remember what a horrible DM I am/was in d6
maybe I'll play with myself
>>344690856
Mage. Again.
>>344675219
Dante is a mage but he only joins halfway through the story
>first time playing Dragonfall
>make a mage called Dante and use fire spells
>then the dog turns out to have the exact same gimmick
>>344690856
Decker/mage because you can play one this time around.
Eiger a best
I thought the pirate captain in the epilogue was really cute too
>>344690856
Phys Adept, stun the fuck out of everything ever.
>>344691164
that takes a 6 Karma investment in a game where money and Karma are pretty tight.
>>344691402
Yeah it does make money managment incredibly tight. Didnt have karma troubles though.
>>344690856
You have to play mage.
>>344690856
Mage. You aren't upstaging your party members at their classes because they have specials so don't bother competing. Aside from Gobbet who is a pretty shitty shaman.
>>344691779
Rekt. Mages finally have it!
Every game I play as the class that is missing the most from the team. I just got Hong Kong like a 2 weeks ago. For those who have played the game does Gaichu qualify as an Adept and Duncan as a samurai? That means that the best choice for me would be mage right?
>>344691779
she gets 2 rounds of spirit control with no chance of escape and free summoning items though.
>>344690678
Like I said, you don't like it anymore.
Do you still use any of the old memes from before the word meme even became a thing? By now you call two years old memes reddit-tier for the same reasons.
Beside, hiro is a puzza boy, not a legendary hacker, and the duel still contains one of the book's greatest lines.
>translating [moonspeak for fighting spirit] in english is like translating fuckface in japanese
>want to make a campaign for hong kong
>kinda have most of the stuff written along with most of the important runs
>open editor
>fuck around with the only piece of the map i made
>don't write anything
>don't lay out new shit
>close the editor
will i ever make it?
>>344690804
What point of his is wrong, in particular? Because it seems to me like his criticisms are valid. 5e is indeed a total clusterfuck, because they tried to cram in way too much shit to appeal to the number crunching autists.
>>344692123
I don't like it anymore because it has aged like milk.
>>344692384
Sounds like you're a quitter.
So, no.
>>344691987
Pretty much, yeah. You don't get a dedicated mage companion apart from a shaman, and she's not too great on the offensive front.
>>344692562
typical of /v/ making anything
>>344689543
>U wot m8?
Humanity Fuck Yeah.
I use both of them in my team. They are both pretty strong if you use them well enough. I would go lesbian for Glory though, I love her, she is qt.
>>344693107
I know what it means, I'm just wondering what kind of a faggot wouldn't like humans? Literally the only correct choice in any RPG where you can choose a race.
The best.
>>344693513
I liked him, but his whole "if everyone was a psychopath this world would be much better" thing was pretty retarded.
>>344693146london
>>344693339
Humans are shit.
Elves are shit.
Goblinoids are shit.
Dwarfs are shit.
Meatbags get out, purification of the earth now.
Do you even need to play the first one or just skip it and go for dragonfall?
>>344693513
>your portrait
I'm laughing really hard right now
>>344693893
The first one makes a good intro to the mechanics but otherwise all 3 games are completely separate storywise.
>>344693893
They're all separate stories. I'd say play dragonfall, then HK, then if you want more, copy the maps from Returns and put them into dragonfall's engine.
>>344693893
The stories aren't connected other than some minor references, so it can safely be skipped. Though if you're planning to play them all you should really start with the first one, because going back to it after Dragonfall will only annoy you.
>>344693893
play it through once so dragonfall blows away your expectations.
trust me. if you play DF and HK before the first game, it'll seem like shit.
I still like DMS a lot simply because I got to see Armitage again.
>>344693820
He was right, though. And not just about that but also about transhumanism in general. Look at the shit he was able to survive simply because he didn't give a fuck about "muh humanity", and look at how much better than a regular human schmuck he became. Imagine if all humans were like that. The things humanity could achieve would be boundless.
>>344694412
I actually disliked that part because they made him a pussy compared to what you could become in the original game. It just felt like an imposter or a parody of Jake.
>>344694018
>>344694030
>>344694054
>>344694104
Was meaning to play them all since I don't know jack about the Shadowrun setting. Really want to get the whole experience, so I'll start with Returns.
Thanks for the rundown lads.
>>344694620
Great rebuttal, anon. You sure showed me.
>>344692430
>that "Dinosaur" paragraph
>being complex = bad
literally calling himself out to be a casual that can't comprehend anything above d6-lite
>redundant
...
>math
well Tabletops aren't for elementary school kids
above all he forgets literally the most important rule of every P&P game(that gets stated often enough in 5E): play the game the way you have the most fun
simple as that, that guy rants just for the sake of ranting
>>344694749
If you want the whole experience, you need to start at the beginning, with the SNES Shadowrun. Then go on to the Genesis one, and then to Returns (and it's called that for a reason instead of "begins")/Dragonfall/HK. Also, make sure to skip the other things called Shadowrun.
>>344694418
>look at how much better than a regular human schmuck he became
He didn't. As in, at all.
He was able to recover from a lethal injury due to being able to take on more hardware without fucking over his own essence, but there's nothing suggesting he's actually "better" in any way other than his own bragging. He's a great rigger and engineer, but that isn't related to his "ability", and physically he's worse off than almost anyone else in the party.
His whole personal storyline is basically just him egotripping over how he's enlightened by his own intelligence.
>>344695194
>above all he forgets literally the most important rule of every P&P game(that gets stated often enough in 5E): play the game the way you have the most fun
That's the most pathetic excuse for bad game design there is, though.
Yes, you could have lots of fun adapting and playing a shitty game, but there's zero reason to play a shitty game in the first place when you could be playing an actual good game that is fun without having to houserule it to shit.
>>344667752
WISDOM!
>>344694580
I imagine having endgame-level Jake that early in the game would have just removed all challenge completely instead of just being a crutch to help ease you through the first few fights.
>Glory's epilogue
>She avoids conversation about her new glowing arm
>Assures PC she can control it
>She smiles and ask to go out for drinks
>PC gets butterflies in stomach
What the fuck happened in that house?
>>344690506
>>344690241
>>344690140
I do want to try out a mage but I also want to try out a combat rigger. I might just make a technomancer or something so I can have the best of both. Shooting fireballs in your face while my drone comes from behind to headshot minions.
Then again I could just make a combat mage or a rigger, are they any better in dragonfall? >>344695312
Including the Xbx 360 game that a lot of people claim to be great fun?
What about Shadowrun Chronicles?
It looks exactly the same but has such poor reviews on Steam. Anyone have any idea why?
>>344695194
Complexity can be bad when it's overdone for no good reason, as is the case with this. This also ties into the math thing, as you shouldn't be spending most of your playtime doing calculations, unless you're roleplaying as a calculator. I'm not against crunching some numbers now and then, but 5e can get ridiculous in that aspect.
And if you have to throw out rules from the game to make it fun and interesting to play, then I'd say there's a good chance there's something fucked with those rules.
>>344695814
>It looks exactly the same but has such poor reviews on Steam. Anyone have any idea why?
Bad launch.
It got a lot better over time, but by now there aren't many people playing it anymore. Since co-op is the most fun part of it, that kinda makes the game pointless.
>>344695808
Spirit shit.Or full-on possession. Who knows?
>>344695808
Pic or it didn't happen.
You killed harrow?
>>344695814
>Including the Xbx 360 game that a lot of people claim to be great fun?
Yep. It's not a terrible game on its own, but it completely fails as a Shadowrun game. Why? Because it's an FPS game, for starters. And one that doesn't really do justice to the series, nor does it have any of the good gameplay or writing.
>Chronicles
Developed by a different team and it shows, because it's shit all around. It's like a bad fanmade campaign, really.
And yes, mages and riggers are better in Dragonfall and HK. In Returns the gameplay is kinda weak, so you'd better off just making a cookie cutter AR-based street samurai and blowing your way through the relatively short campaign and then diving deep into the other two with a more interesting class.
>>344675540
You can zip-tie the final boss?
>>344696674
>it's shit all around. It's like a bad fanmade campaign, really.
The campaign is shit, but the gameplay is solid.
>>344696719
I think you could only do it to her guards.
>>344696530
2/2
Freaky shit, maybe i shouldn't have killed those kids.
HOT
TROLLOP
SEX
!!!
>>344696873
Did you kill harrow or purifiy the spirit?
>>344696873
Can you waifu people in game?
>>344696964
Neat, I love that magic stuff. One moment, I'll get you something.
Is Returns and/or Dragonfallfun? I have them on my backlog, but I never tried them.
>>344697093
No, sadly.
>>344697205
Haven't played Returns but Dragonfall's good.
>>344697058
I wasn't gonna save no devil children, so I killed Marta and Glory killed Harrow.
>>344696964
That sounds a lot more negative than "butterflies"...
>>344697058
You can kill Harrow?
>>344697205
Returns is the weakest of the bunch, but still worth a playthrough IMO.
Dragonfall and Hong Kong are pretty great. Definitely not perfect, but still great.
>>344697443
Yeah, after you kill the spirit.
>>344697205
Returns is primitive in comparison to Dragonfall and has the least role-play value of the three. But it's still a fun strategy game and should be played first or not at all.
>>344697093
Not in the shitty Bioware romance way, but in the way better and more believable "over time you begin to trust and respect each as companions without becoming forcefully romantically involved" kinda way.
>>344697205
All three are fun, with increasing levels of fun as the games progressed. Returns is the weakest of the bunch, Dragonfall has the best writing and characters of the three, and HK has the best gameplay.
>>344696964
Found it.
>>344697679
>and HK has the best gameplay.
I completely agree. Except for the hacking. Real time hacking is god's punishment for original sin
>>344695498
>bad game design
well hello there underaged game-designer
>>344695932
you're forgetting rule #1
>>344697785
I actually enjoyed the fact that they turned the agonizing shitfest that was hacking in the previous games into something that's now optional if you fail the stealth game segment, which you can easily cheese with quick saves/loads. At the very least hacking got way quicker and a lot less tedious, and that's always been one of my main problems with the first two games.
>>344697737
>>344697832
>try to read Absinthe's aura
>can't see nothing, chief
>"Absinthe's voice slithers into your ear like a living thing"
>mfw
>>344698061
>oh no, he criticised my gamefu!
>better call him underage so I can pretend it didn't happen!
wew lad
>>344695932
>literally nitpicking thee most complex math you're ever going to do with the game
>hurrdurr its too complicated
>>344698343
>you're not allowed to point out the worst aspects of something when you're writing a critique
Just how retarded are you?
Honestly, the only good part of Shadowrun is the setting itself.
At this point, you're better off just running a Shadowrun game in something like GURPS than actually using its own system.
>talking shit about duncan
>>344698305
ok last time I'll reply to your bait:
Tabletops are basically Sandbox games
the developer wanting to give you as many rules(that can be ignored, or houseruled) to do as many things as possible without making the group permanently arguing over stuff that is too vague is not bad gameplay
but you never actually played Shadowrun or any other P&P so you'll just ignore my arguments
>>344698482
>chunky salsa is bad
confirmed for never throwing a grenade into a bunker full of bad people
>>344698716
All he does is whine and complain despite being a badass shadowrunner. He's a bummer to interact with.
>>344698864
Give a gay man some slack, what else is he supposed to do?
>>344698721
>the developer wanting to give you as many rules(that can be ignored, or houseruled) to do as many things as possible without making the group permanently arguing over stuff that is too vague is not bad gameplay
It's not bad gameplay, it's bad game DESIGN.
You could make a game that has rules for literally every little thing your character could theoretically do, but all you'll accomplish is making the game pointlessly dense and rules-heavy. Yes, you can just ignore all of those rules, but ignoring the flaws doesn't make it good.
>but you never actually played Shadowrun or any other P&P so you'll just ignore my arguments
There you go again, inventing pathetic ad hominems in a desperate etempt to dismiss simple logic.
Nobody's saying you can't play your gamefu, Anon. But being blindly loyal to it and ignoring all of its flaws doesn't magically make it a good game.
>>344667590
>masculine she-orc
>dyke
umm
>>344698642
I've actually tried that once with a group back in 3e days. Didn't work out that well.
>>344699090
have sweaty sex with the PC? Talk about literally anything besides how shitty it is to be a shadowrunner despite being great at it? Avoid looking a gift horse in the mouth when auntie could have just ended it and thrown their bodies into the bay?
>>344698642
Isn't GURPS that system everyone shittalks? I've only ever browsed /tg/ for around 7 hours and I remember some system everyone hated but never said why
>>344667590
I loved this, especially the part at the bar and the tune, pretty cool. I also kinda enjoyed returns even though it was worse, but honk kong really pissed me off, it was utter shit in every way.
>>344667752
gobbet and racter were the only good thing in hong kong, i wish i could eat gobbet's asshole
>>344697205
Both of them have a lot of reading BUT they are super fun. Dragonfall is better than returns but returns is really short and easier, so i recommend playing it first.
>>344699407
>i wish i could eat gobbet's asshole
You'd probably have to morph into a rat first, because I'm certain she's tried shoving her rat up her ass for pleasure. She seemed like the kind of person who'd be into that.
>>344696719
You could, but that was later patched.
>>344696674
So then Dragonfall is shorter than Returns? Well I really like the combat so I suppose ill entertaining myself with blowing off heads and such.
I am also considering doing a street samurai I'm not sure.
Not really fond of cookie cutter builds I rather try my own thing for a while see if it works.
I might try to make a more liable mage or SS later in my second play through. I'm pretty sure ill be doing another go when I've completed it the first time around.
>>344699293
GURPS ruleset makes Shadowrun look like FUDGE in comparison.
>>344699620
>So then Dragonfall is shorter than Returns?
Reading comprehension, anon. Returns is the one with the short campaign, both Dragonfall and HK are way longer and better.
>>344699293
GURPs is bit of a divisive system. Most of the shittalkers have never given it a good shot.
It definitely has some retarded shit and it falls into the same trap that later Shadowrun editions fall into, having many rules that are sometimes needlessly complex, especially to new players. There's a pretty funny copypasta about building a boat in GURPS that I can't find right now, but the general joke is that you need an advanced engineering degree to make a proper boat. On the upside, it's much, much less constricting than Shadowrun and allows for a much more open, relaxed way of playing once you get familiar with the rules.
I personally like it a lot, though I'm definitely biased because I'm already past the hurdle of "oh no, I don't know which rules to use for this specific thing". And once you're at that point, it's easily the most flexible "mainstream" system there is without straying into FATE (which is definitely cool but really shallow), or (god forbid) freeform territory.
If you're looking for universally reviled systems, look for something like FATAL or HYBRID.
>>344699763
is there like a pun I'm not getting or is fudge an actual ruleset
>>344676581
He's gay, so I don't know if you're implying you make him happy or screw him over.
>>344699901
The latter.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fudge_(role-playing_game_system)
>>344699901
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fudge_(role-playing_game_system)
It's extremely rules-light stuff.
Fun to play with the right kind of group, but not much of a system.
>>344700102
>>344700107
Oh, alright then. Never mind.
>>344699892
Thanks, while you're here: what's wrong with freeform systems? I always hear horror stories and passing shots at them but never an example of what's wrong with them, although I guess it's largely individual experience since they're all differentI have a friend who wants to get me with this group to play something I think is freeform, and I'm hesitant because of what I've heard
>>344677480
How beginner-friendly is the HK editor? I've got ideas but not a lot of skill.
>>344667989
She's RIP AND TEAR incarnate, does decent ranged damage if you give her a good pistol, AND has by far the best backstory of any character in SRR. Confirmed yourself as a bad player with worse taste.
>>344700264
I think the world building is tile-based, and I don't think the scripting is that hard to get into. I think it might be comparable to a lighter version of RPG maker
>>344700191
In freeform systems you build your own foundations for your game, such as the core rules and stats. So you really need to know what the fuck you're doing, meaning you need to have prior RPG experience and know what a good system needs, otherwise you'll end up building yourself something that's either a clusterfuck or shallow and boring.
>running as a "fuck magic" pistol wielder medic with the resist magic trait in a campaign
>shaman is a smokeweederryday faggot with burnout addiction to expensive drug
>tfw waiting for a chance to deem him corrupted by magic and cap his ass
>>344677480
Antumbra (for Dragonfall) and the Caldecott Caper (for Hong Kong) are both complete and excellent.
The Clean Fire and Operation Complex Prophet (for Dragonfall) are both unfinished, but nonetheless have a few hours of fun, varied content between them.
>Play through Shadowfall
>Shit tier generic story, awful "group" system
>Like the setting
>Dragonfall comes out, played 10min
>Hong Kong comes out
I just don't know why, I have to force myself through starting up the game, but then I sit for 3-4 hours and play.
>>344700749
The beginning of Dragonfall is really hard to get through. No idea why, but it just kills my motivation to play.
Didn't have this problem with Hong Kong.
>>344700921
The first "real" mission (not the one where Monika dies) is pretty long for an intro.
>>344700191
>what's wrong with freeform systems?
Nothing, if you've got the right group. With the wrong kind of group it's just a recipe for disaster, though. Some players need hard rules to reign in their rampant autism, while others need as a framework to build their roleplaying on.
With freeform, there aren't any (or at least very little) "hard" rules, so you need a confident GM and some dedicated players to keep things interesting without letting them get out of hand.
There's a constant struggle in how much rules your group actually needs, and most groups end up just modifying the game they're playing to actually suit their needs (being a ruleslawyer and adding houserules where necessary if they need more structure, or simply ignoring/simplifying rules if they need more freedom). In my opinion it is often disappointing to see how almost nobody is willing to make the switch to a system that is more suited to them and instead just keep modifying a game that isn't suited for them or (even worse) simply keep playing it because it's all they know so it can't be wrong. But I do understand taht not everyone is willing to put in the time and effort required to try out multiple systems to see which ones they like best. That goes double for setting-specific rules like Shadowrun. If someone really likes Shadowrun, they're likely to stick with the Shadowrun ruleset forever even when GURPS or FATE or whatever might be better suited to their needs as a group.
>>344682185
I always thought Kindly was a cunt and I didn't want to work for her in the first place, so yeah, I went with Duncan.
It was a shame leaving my team behind, but I think it's what my character would do.
>>344701164
That's where I fell in love with the game. I was specifically referring to the tutorial mansion run.
>>344701568
I didn't have any particular problems with that one. What's wrong with it?
>>344701714
Don't really know. It's not bad, but at the same time I have to force myself through it even on subsequent playthroughs.
>>344691402
Money is tight, but you have karma to burn.
Check out my character. Look how fucking retarded her build is. I have points in EVERYTHING. But I'm still wrecking shit all over the place because mages are just that powerful.
How in the living fuck did HBS managed to write something as good as Dragonfall? The characters and the story were some of the best in vidya ever, definitely on the level of Obsidian's best shit, including PST and MotB.
I hope they continue making games in this setting, I really loved Dragonfall and HK.
Also, regarding fucking female trolls, you niggers don't understand, that if a slut is huge, it doesn't mean that her vagina is huge as well. Unless specified otherwise, there's literally no reason to expect that a troll's reproductive organs are any different from a human's.
>>344693893
Do you know anything about the Shadowrun universe? If not, the first one's more or less a guided tour of the basics. The later ones are more interesting if you're building on a baseline.
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