Care for another one?
Mind sharing some moments that made you feel like a retard?
Maybe vote on this http://www.strawpoll.me/embed_1/10677715/r
since i'm curious
STOP MAKING NEW THREADS, THE SERIES IS DEAD, IT'S SHIT. ANYONE DISAGREE IS SHITPOSTER APOLOGIST.
What will be the title of the inevitable 4th installment of Zero Escape ?
so, what about the english dub? I turned it off after a couple hours because I couldn't stand it anymore (the screams especially felt unexpressive and fake, while the japanese VAs really poured their hearts out)
People say there are a couple of really great moments though, what about them? Something about Skull Face
is there a secret ending or something or was that it? i remember there being some weird locker in a puzzle room but i didn't have to open it to complete it. Kinda wish they didn't make new shit up for brother and made him actually do stuff and also have them acknowledge Mira being a serial killer
I need a pic of Zero saying "life in unfair" stat
>>344006801
The best moment for the English VA is10 MONTHShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4N6GJBApdk
>>344006917
Check your cinema files, there are some epilogue texts to read
does anybody have goodwallpapersfrom ZTD?
>>344004848
Forever4:The Zero Escape from Sequels
>>344007774
There are the official ones.
>>344003949
That got me too. I tried all different things until i hit the left one first.
What was the point of having Eric in the Decision Game ? I understand for Mira but why Eric ? He has litteraly no relevance.
>>344009627
Mira offed his Mom which was part of the long Snail plot.
>>344009627
And who would have becone shotgun ocelot?
>we need to kill one more person to finally escape this nightmare
>we got a blind, mute, deaf, comatose old man in the group
I KNOW LET'S MURDER THE CHILD
>>344010765
did they ever even get an X pass for sean?
>>344010765
But doesn't that all imply sean was never even in the decision game? so killing him should've done literally nothing?
Guess that's why they gave eric the grenade launcher so we can just assume he killed them both
Was Zero retarded or what even was his deal
>>344011070
His motives were complicated.
>>344010937
Pretty sure it does. Some of Qs X passes hint to him being an old man and not a small robot boy.
Usually when sean is killed, Q dies too.
>>344003949
The one in the Study.
I thought the note said NIL was an example, I didn't think I was suppose to input it in the safe.
Does anyone remember a reviewer saying there was an additional side story along with the main plot? What was that about?
>>344011642
The love triangle side story.
>>344006801
>They really poured their hearts out
>doesn't actually speak the language
>Just thinks it sounds better
kys
>>344011070
somewhat
>>344012543
>Actually defending that god awful dub
>>344011717
HOLY FUCKING KEK
My "moment that made me feel like an idiot" was ever thinking ZTD would be good. Why did reviewers pretend that this was a great game or even a masterpiece? It'd be one thing if it was just "the next game" but it's the last one and a terrible ending to the series.
>>344012795
Dub had great moments though. Japanese VA is just for weaboo shitters.
>>344011070
Well, he created a plan that:
>Saved mankind
>Created a loop that secured his and Phi's birth with the abilities intact
>Even if he did not manage to save all of manking, he would still be able to prevent their extinction and put the AB plan in motion
So retarded he was not.
But considering it all began with him taking an interest in Shifters, there might be some autism there.
What was absolutely retarded was the reveal that we were looking at everyone through Q's eyes and he was just sitting there the whole fucking time.
Just make him Xavier people's perceptions. Hell, one of the standoff endings is called 'Perception'.
>>344012795
>Not liking based boss Phi and the rest of team D, crazy team Q and American patriot Carlos.Two can play at this game
>>344012543
i'm specifically talking about screams - not words.
The english dub's scream sound shitty - nowhere near what a person that has seen his pals die a violent death would sound like
the japanese ones though, they really work.
>>344012795
Dub was pretty solid. You are the minority for this one.
EXPLAIN THIS
FUCKING EXPLAIN IT
I WANT ANSWERS THIS IS EATING ME UP
>>344012884
Maybe they didn't even play the prequels? The game itself was fine, it was the retarded way to close the series that was bad.
why did he kill the dog
>>344013434
Probably an error or a bug.
>>344013434
GAB IS CHRIS
>>344013434
glitch
>>344013434
Even I couldn't have predicted this.
>>344013434
Gab MIND HACKED Chris
>>344012795
Found the sub-human weeb shitposter
>>344012795
>English Junpei: It's blueeee (smug as fuck)
>Jap Junpei: It`s blue
>>344012795
>YAMETE
>YAMEROOO
>N-NANI?!
>gomen gomen
>TOMARE
>KISAMAAA
no, fuck japanese, I'm getting embarassed at watching new animes at this point
>>344013440
I know one of them didn't but I imagine most did. It was just disappointing how it disregarded the answers to VLR and as well as most of VLR (like Brother, FtS, Left, Radical-6) or rewrote stuff to fit COMPLEX motives.
>>344012795
dub was pretty solid though
also D.C. Douglas
>>344014406
Happy 4th guys
>>344010765
Delta's presence makes me confused.
Did Q-Team had a useless old man accompanying them the whole time and they never gave a shit about him ?
Why are Delta's eyes so wierd ?
>>344011070
the dog was a shifter, by shooting him he didn't die instantly which allowed the dog to shift
>>344014096
You forgot
>CHOTTO MATTE
ZTD english dub is still god awful though
>>344014508
Yes he was 'Q'
That's why when Sean showed up they asked "Who's this?"
>>344006801
most of the voice actors are just family members of the voice director. pretty gross
>they make literally Dio appear in ZTD
>he has nothing to do with Dio
>at all
>nothing
>myrmidons are never mentioned again
>nothing about Zero hating humanity
>pratically nothing on their cult
>that scene with the cult cloth leading nowhere
fuck
>>344014660
N-nande?!
>>344014531
He's been a wizard for 94 years anon, he can do whatever he wants.
>>344014672
I don't know if that twist was either brilliant or a retarded asspull
Might need to replay the whole game and see how the Q team interact with each other
>>344014096
SOKA.........
WHO'S DOING THIS
SUCH A LUST FOR MIND HACKING
I feel like Kingdom Hearts handles time travel better.
So is the next game going to be anti terrorism or Aliens?
>>344014096
FORZO QUITTO BOXU?
>>344015687
EXO PASSU
>>344014751
This is not Chaos Wars, what are you even smoking.
While not that good, the VAs are the same group you hear in just about every ATLUS / NISA / XSeed dub.
>>344014406
What the hell happened to him in VLR?
>>344014904
It's retarded because both 999 and VLR twists completely change how you were interpreting the plot (A old dude was trying to fug young girls, June was a keikakumaster, you weren't on a ship) while "lol an old dude was skillfully avoiding the camera during all cutscenes" did not add anything to the plot
He also had no reason at all to be on Q team since the teams were mostly independent and he did not interact with anyone, so he never did anything important while both Akane and Sigma really needed to be participants for their plans to work
>>344015992
Actually he needed to be there so he could be identified and confronted in the event the bunker people were going to get the outcome where they all escaped.
>>344015921
Why would you want to know?
ZTD's goal was to quite literally erase VLR out of existence.
>>344014096
ANO.. SOU DESU NE...
>phi saying she was an unknown variable
>she was just there not being special or anything
>Akane, Sigma and Phi work 45 years to return to the test site and stop Brother, Free the Soul, and create a timeline where R6 isn't released
>Junpei and Seven destroy FtS' HQ off-screen
>Carlos creates tthe timeline where R6 isn't released in a coin toss
>Akane, Sigma and Phi were fucking useless
WOW
O
W
So what's the deal?
- Many taglines for ZTD was that it would be the series final game.
- Game ends with closure for certain characters, sure; yet it opens a new can of worms in the end.
Does Uchikoshi expect fans to make another noise to convince Spike Chunsoft to make more games?
>>344016129
He could just open the X-door and talk to them like he did in other endings
The only thing he managed is to die in all timelines where he was executed/showered with acid
>>344016214
She came up with the idea of using a bomb, and that created the VLR timeline that is needed for old sigma to participate in VLR and seducing Diana
>>344016321
No they expect to make profit from the remasters of 999 and VLR.
>>344016321
We picked Ally, Uchikoshi picked Betray.
i really hoped sigma in space suit and no arms and cool bandages would be in it more.
he had such a heroic look, for a while he was cooler than carlos.
>>344016317
>Akane, Sigma and Phi were fucking useless
>Akane
Well yeah, stopping her from doing anything was what had to be altered.
>Sigma
His importance was his ballsack.
>Phi
She just came extra with who Sigma's balls produced.
>>344016317
>Carlos creates tthe timeline where R6 isn't released in a coin toss
>Akane, Sigma and Phi were fucking useless
No, because the timeline without R6 leads to 100% human casualty without Akane, Sigma and Phi's experiences taking the group there, as well as Sigma fucking Diana to create Phi and Delta in the first place.
Also whining that plot devices from previous games whose purpose has been served don't appear on-screen is stupid. This series is about random people trapped in a puzzle labyrinth escaping, not police raids.
So why is there only one timeline where nobody gets executed?
Doesn't the plan also work if everyone does the opossite of what the original plan said?
>>344016554
>No, because the timeline without R6 leads to 100% human casualty without Akane, Sigma and Phi's experiences taking the group there, as well as Sigma fucking Diana to create Phi and Delta in the first place.
Carlos and the cast creates a timeline where VLR happened to kickstart ZTD, but it won't happen now.
It's a loop of different timelines that eventually phases out VLR from actually happening in the History ZTD ends in.
Delta made that two realties would just happen and ensure his birth, then he makes the Decision Game to make a perfect timeline where he succeeds.
>>344016805
I did that on my first playthrough, and it just becomes confusing.
Who was ?
>>344017058
? was just used so the characters could talk to the player in the epilogue
People were just reading far too deep into it
Kyle was a dropped plot point though
Can I just say that I almost like the ending now thanks to the Carlos and Delta memes
Why doesn't anyone from Q-Team ever mention thatQ isn't on the painting in the library or Sean's name isn't on the X-Pass board?You'd think those would have been pretty significant talking points.
>>344016805
Zero had two plans.
- Gets Radical-6 released, people can just die in the Game, doesn't matter who, he just has to release the virus; VLR happens.
- Super Power of Friendship and SHIFting trought multiple timelines till they succeed, everyone lives, no Radical-6, Zero ensured a group of Super SHIFTers that are super friends will one day get the person who will make humanity go extinct, VLR never happens.
>>344017058
(you)
This fucking note is purposefully meant to have an internet guide on the alt-tab ready.
>>344017348
Eric is dumb and Mira is Q's accomplice.
>We must apologize for ZTD Zero. He is an idiot. We purposely trained him wrong as a joke.
>[PSV] Zero Time Dilemma (Spike Chunsoft, 06/30/16) – 5,375
>[3DS] Zero Time Dilemma (Spike Chunsoft, 06/30/16) – 3,916
Life is simply unfair, don't you think? You can't sell shit without big names
>[3DS] Story of Seasons: Trio of Towns (Marvelous, 06/23/16) – 30,926 (131,245)
>[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Doko Don! Mystery Adventure (Bandai Namco, 06/16/16) – 7,736 (51,800)
>[3DS] Kirby: Planet Robobot (Nintendo, 04/29/16) – 7,707 (338,053)
>>344013584
>>344013634
This doesn't make sense. There shouldn't even be a profile pic for Gab. He never talks in the game.
>>344017615
Those Japan numbers?
No surprise there.
>>344017058
It wasDelta
>Kyle andDelta are both Sigma's sons, making it easier for ?'s consciousness to jump between them>Delta's mind hacking lets him know things about the characters and even control their actions much like the player>The first time Delta is introduced Sean points directly at the screen as if he's pointing at the player
>>344017615
These numbers are not so bad if it's Japan.
>>344017615
It was obvious it was gonna sell like shit in japan.
>>344017513
>Mira is Q's accomplice.
Delta gave Mira more freedom to create a scenario of danger, she wasn't his de facto accomplice, she wasn't in on the plan.
>>344017513
You don't have to make excuses for the game to protect its shitty twist, anon.
>>344017058
I actually assumed it was Delta. Since it was Kyle in VLR, and he's Sigma's son like Delta was. Also since Akane puts on the robe in the VLR route and follows Zero's information to set up the moonbase, then it'd stand to reason that she'd probably use the morphogenetic field to contact him in the past and give him information too about the AB game so he could replicate it and give her the idea, and allow both her and Old Akane to plan out the true route.
The worst part is the transporter
I can believe weird timeline jumps of the human mind, but an alien machine of unknown origin sending shit to other dimensions is too much to swallow
>>344017675Delta can't SHIFT, pretty sure he can't Mind Hack someone in a time where he does not exist; Delta would be dust by the time Kyle came to be.
>>344017615
Japan numbers were always going to be shit. There's a reason it was anounced here first.
>it doesn't accept this
fucking bullshit
>>344017867
To be fair it doesn't actually send physical objects, it just transmits information that is then reconstructed on-site. It's the same principle behind the mental time jumps.
>>344017784
People still trying. I don't know why. It's worst written twist is series and E17/R11.
>>344006801
Only the good VAs from the English cast that I could stand are Carlos and Zero, Jap Zero sounds kind of a generic voice with a synthesizer while the Eng Zero sounds pretty articulate. I ended up alternating between Jap and Eng voices for the teams and Zero
>>344017784
>>344017945
>Foreshadowed left and right
>"I didn't get it, so it was shit, right guys? guys?"
>>344017917
I wish they had at least done text answers to characters from previous games.
>>344017867
Same. Also a single religious nut somehow leading to humanity going extinct is completely fucking ridiculous even by zero escape standards.
Both feel like they were shoved in to explain poor plot decisions likePhi being Sigma and Diana's daughter and Brother was a good guy all along.
>Mira, Sean and Eric gonna use transporter and prevent SNAILS
They will fuck everything, right?
>two Mira, Sean and Eric in all timelines
>>344017867
If they spent more time fleshing it out and explaining it I feel like it would've worked just fine.
At the moment it's a plot-hole-solving elephant in the room everyone ignores.
>>344016540
kek
>>344017945
I would admit that Delta is disappointing, but the twist is rad. Made my heart race and grin like an idiot.
>>344017867
I hate how no one batted an eye at the revelation that aliens exist and hang out on Earth enough to leave their junk behind. You'd think the characters wouldn't have taken that info so matter of factly. Randomly throwing in aliens so haphazardly reeks of laziness, like they didn't want to put in the effort to come up with a legitimate reason they had magic time travel plot devices, so they just said "Fuck it, it's aliens lol".
>>344017675
Eh, Delta can't jump. Kyle whitching places with him makes no sense they are not the same person.
The rest makes snese I guess mindhacking explain the Blick Winkel gimmick.
Also, I have all the endings but I never got to see how mira killed junpei or Why?
Also, can someone explain how Mira was an accomplice to Zero, she should have thrown fits at Q when her life started to be threatened.
>>344003949
The one where you should fit in all greek alphabet letters(C-team), wasted an hour on that shit
>>344017936
That's just an excuse, they don't even question if what is being sent over is essentially a fake, they treat it all as real as soon as it comes out of the pod.They treat Phi and Delta as real people, even though the "real" ones died as babies, starved to death.
>>344018057
I didn't say it wasn't foreshadowed, I just said it was shitty and ill conceived. A good twist doesn't force the plot to make concessions for it.
>>344017249
I just beat the game, played it while successfully avoiding every thread.
Please post memes for me now.
>>344018350
>>344017945
Introducing a completely new person as the mastermind is a poor excuse for "Also, I'm the root cause of all your suffering and you've never seen me before I became relevant." Twist or not, it's just sloppy writing.
>>344017936
Except thoughts are data that can be processed by the human mind to create more thoughts. Here we're producing human beings along with all of their clothes and whatever items they take with them in the fucking pod.
>>344018350
>>344018208
>Also, I have all the endings but I never got to see how mira killed junpei or Why?
It never shows.
>Also, can someone explain how Mira was an accomplice to Zero
She wasn't, anyone who says this is a retard.
Delta just gave Mira more freedom:
- She doesn't actually get injected with sleeping anesthesics sometimes.
- Can traverse between the Wards sometimes.
To create more Danger Scenarios in order to create SHIFTers; Delta just jokes Mira was an accomplice of sorts when explaining himself, but in truth she was a pawn with certain freedom.
>>344018208
She killed Junpei because she's fucking crazy. She's not actually Q's accomplice, he just didn't put her to sleep along with everyone else so she could roam and kill whenever she wanted. He basically used her as the wild card or chaos element of the game.
>>344018057
>Foreshadowed left and right
Are you fukcin kidding me? NO ONE talk about him. NO ONE suspect most suspicious old fuck in series. Why? Eric bitching about everything except old fuck in wheelchair? There is thousand camera views from ABOVE without any old prick in wheel chair. He's invisible
>>344018350
>>344018496
For anons like myself to giggle like idiots.
>>344018471
>Luna will not be born in Timeline E
Feels bad
>>344018563
Carry on, then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAU7tZnCcQ
Stream in two days guys
Lmao, isn't the Chris plotline just dropped, it seems to be fucking Mira and eric remain as static characters.
These two do not need to be fighting terrorism.
>Luna was based on a drunk std-ridden whore
eww dude
no wonder why she had robot-AIDS.
>>344018563
Have some more famicom
>>344018657
Wasn't it scheduled 15th? Or is this another one?
>>344018530
>NO ONE talk about him
But they do.
>NO ONE suspect most suspicious old fuck in series.
Because there was a kid even more suspicious
>Eric bitching about everything except old fuck in wheelchair?
He bitched about it when he was named the leader and in the vote implied they may have to use force.
You're just a cuck who missed the great plan of ruse master Uchikoshi.
>>344018350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAU7tZnCcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLMguQcEhk
>>344018558
>Why did I buy that giant button? I hope D-Team won't press it
This. Why the fuck was there a random doomsday button that never got any explanation or plot relevance?
>>344018723
Nah it's me, Blick-Winkel. I figured everyone has finished the game by now, so I moved it up a week.
someone post the epilogue files please. i already deleted my game after i finished it and cant be assed to download it again with my shitty internet
So Mira randomly kills Junpei....when he is sleeping.
>>344018834
I hope you deleted it to make some space for another game or otherwise you're a morphogenetic retard
>>344017945
>>344017784
I honestly thought it was a good twist. In 999 Zero is Akane, the girl the MC is closest to so that trains the player to suspect even their best friends. In VLR Zero in the shelter itself is just a computer system and even the killer, Dio, is a victim of the machinations of outsiders, so the player can now conceive that the mastermind is an external force.
The blind spot for the third game lies between those two points. Zero in ZTD is a participant in the game, but he's hidden from the player by the most sneaky method of withholding information- the characters don't acknowledge him, and why would they? He's a blind old man in a wheelchair. To the player, suspicion would automatically fall upon him because a useless, mute character would be obviously Zero, but in the real world the characters wouldn't even think to suspect someone who's obviously disabled and useless and whose existence they were already aware of. So they show that by using the perspective of the story to hide his existence, without having him literally come out of nowhere.
Q's always there, he's even referred to in dialogue to hint at his existence. But you don't know because you're playing the game from the perspective of people who wrote him off days earlier.
I like that and the reveal was cool. If you quote my post and say I'm retarded that's fine too. My motives are complex, after all.
>>344018834
>i already deleted my game
why would you do such a thing
>>344018834
This, I beat it last night on a plane and I didnt know there were files
Im currently bored at work now
Why didn'tMira open up Junpei's chest when She kills him?
>>344018792
Okay, I guess I'll pensively hang out and be frustrated. (YK)
Can you faggots take this to /vg/?
>>344018908
I think its stupid you can't see him in the vast amount of weird camera angles this game constantly shows
>>344018908
Don't worry anon, I agree with you.
Fuck you "Order Note"
>>344018902
i did, i have afucking 4gb card on my vitat. >>344018834
>>344018738
>But they do.
>Because there was a kid even more suspicious
>kid even more suspicious
Fuck you. They talk about everything. About their shitty past, job, mommy, love, autism but never about old fuck. What if he's pretending? Don't even try to use "ruse master Uchikoshi" meme, because I know you never read e17, r11 and n7.
>>344018738
>NO ONE talk about him
>But they do.
They mention him directly ONCE, and it wasn't even about him being there, just at Dcom. Face it, it;s a lazy and dumb twist. Why did we never see them wheeling him around? Did they just neglect a deaf mute the whole time? Why wasn't he in any of the multiple wide shots of Q-Team? Why wasn't he on the painting in the library? Why did no one wonder why Sean's name wasn't on the X-Pass board and why there were more people playing the game than potential X-passes?
It's a lazy plot twist that's full of pretty major holes.
>>344018940I'm missing an ending here, I already did Delta, which one am I missing?
>>344019056
Damn, 4 GB is really small. I have 16 GB for EU and 8 GB for US. I'm considering a JP one at the moment but the JP PS Store is really expensive.
>>344018350
>>344019115
"nobody" maybe?
>>344018908
>He's a blind old man in a wheelchair.
That already makes him most suspicious guy
>>344019017
Well that's the thing though. The game's pretty solidly from the PoVs of Carlos, Diana and Sean. They don't show him because he's not registering on their interest. Diana and Carlos don't know anything about Zero the matermind kidnapper, and Sean is a robot who could easily be programmed to not notice Q easily.
>>344018530
>Are you fukcin kidding me?
Just reawatch the Q-Team's cinematics, many scenes hint on Delta's presence.
It's one of those works you will piece more details together once you rewatch it, like the Sixth Sense had hints of its twist all over the place.
>>344019115Eric, Mira, Nobody, Delta
also I ran out of memes.
>>344019076
>>344019068
>moving the goalpost
What a bunch of cucks.
>>344019115No One
>>344019115
Probably"nobody"
>>344019193
Sean doesn't trigger an ending you fucking tool
>>344019076
>Why did we never see them wheeling him around?
Eric would bitch about this 100%. Especially in room with second floor
>>344018471
Kyle doesn't exist in this timeline, and neither does Luna. Now that they're all happy Sigma can just recreate both as his next kids.
>>344018856
Which part do you think she tore up first?
>head
>left arm
>right arm
>left leg
>right leg
>>344019076
Also. it really pissed me iff how the game bends over backwards to make sure none of the characters never call Sean by name until the Delta reveal, but afterwards it can't stop saying it over and over like it's so smugly proud of itself.
"Hey, this is Sean. Sean's a robot. That's just Sean for ya. To Sean. Sean!"
>>344019076
i think sean not being on the x-passes is suspicious as fuck, and it's why eric is fucking angry about sean.
mira doesn't care because she's a psycho and nothing phases her. i got a lot more understanding of eric's character when i understood that sean really was unaccounted for and appeared suddenly.
the nine portraits in the library i agree with was a bit of a fuckup. if it's zero's study, and there are pictures of everyone but one person in there, then it's pretty obvious that person would be zero. so idk what they thought there.
>>344018789
COMPLEX MOTIVES
>>344018558
Actually, Q-Team probably wouldn't solve a single puzzle if Sean wasn't there. The one Team where all hinges on a single person.
>>344019214
>Just reawatch the Q-Team's cinematics, many scenes hint on Delta's presence.
All of them >>344019068
They don't even discuss his persona.
>>344019356
Probably a limb, his facial expression wasn't neutral, so he probably woke up from the sheer pain and adrenaline.
>>344019318
His chair looked automated, also they could have just left him on the first floor. Not like he would have been any help up on the landing.
>>344019361
Actually you can get Eric to recognize Sean if you type it during the "who killed mira" bit, so it's still there. Also they timed it with the character development, so that Eric would treat Sean poorly until they became friendlier and started using his name.
>>344019397
Yeah, but the point isn't "does it explain motives" it's why does no one actually mention it once. Remember, Eric and Mira can's shift, so every time they wake up and see the X-pass board they should mention that Sean isn't there, but it never happens in the game because such an obvious and natural conversation would ruin the flimsy twist.
>>344019197
but they've spent five days learning not to think about him.
five days to realize there's fucking nothing to him.
>>344011070
Sean will never leave if Gab is alive.
>>344019197
>That already makes him most suspicious guy
Except not, the Dcon representative introduced him as a poor oldman that got everyone pitying him from the get go; while Sean was a kid that came out of nowhere;
Eric and his manchilld behavior would suspect the person who came out of nowhere, not the old man who was accounted for and was already stabilished as someone who couldn't harm a fly.
>>344011070
his motives were kind of complex, poor guy.
No one thoguht that Zero's glasses looked like Q's or that he was no in the cell with them during Coicncide?
>>344014783
I feel like the religion stuff is just him manipulating everyone to do what he wants. Would have been nice if they included that in dialogue though.
The painting is the biggest fuck up
>the letter says shoot Q-team
>there are only 9 people
>no one wonders why the old guy isn't here
>>344019596
does the x-pass board ever show character names before they're dead though?
in the timelines where sean dies and they would see his name, doesn't mira just kill everyone and get out?
i might be super wrong about this, tho.
>>344019768
they all forgot about when they were in the cells. Actually, Carlos seems to realize who he is right before he faints.
>>344019803
The twist really doesn't hold up for the entirety of the library scene
>>344019803
Good find, kinda forgot about the painting.
>>344019803
He does though. Q is represented by a russian nesting doll, which represents how Sean is a decoy covering the real Q.
>>344019768
I mean Zero shows himself wearing the exact same glases as Q throughout the entire game.
>>344019803
>Q team
>begining of game
>camera angle from ceiling
>only three of them here
>no one give a fuck about missing Steve Jobs
>>344019803
more even, they'd have to get up the oldman in a wheelchair up the stairs twice in the study room.
Once when they were inspecting the second floor, and another one when the fired the grenade launcher.
>>344019953
really?
do you have the painting?
>>344019984
The teams weren't formed yet
They had no reason to suspect that Q wasn't in one of the other cells
After that they simply forgot
>>344014783
>that scene with the cult cloth leading nowhere
It ties to ending where they fail at changing anything, ensuring that VLR will happen without changes, then Akane will come back to hear what Brother has to say and go to become the bitch she is in VLR.
Pay attention next time.
I just finished the game. Putting aside the ending and shit, I want you to explain something to me.
>Hey guys, look, this man is blind, deaf and virtually can't move!
>Woah, a perfect Mars mission candidate, let's accept him.
Are they retarded?
Also, he's been there the whole time, right, in the C team? I know he was supposed to be pretty much a furniture, but come on, nobody gave a fuck? Nobody even mentioned him? Are they retarded?
Or maybe it's me who's retarded for not getting this?
DECISION GAME, MOTHERFUCKERS.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10679532
I guess I can't go back and put Mira in to get another scene for 'Who killed Junpei'
>>344019803
This, what the fuck?
Their team consits of 4 people, and you only shoot 3, yet no one gives a shit about it.
>>344020109
No. I talk about first poll.
>>344020039
strange thing is i don't think anyone would have minded them firing that grenade launcher at the ground floor.
they even do it later and no one seems to mind.
>>344019984
The groups can't see into each others cells, and since Zero acknowledges Q in his talk the other groups don't realize he's not in Q-team's cell. It's not like he could talk or anything to flag their attention. Mira's not commenting on it and Eric is too busy being a retard to mention it, they may have just assumed he was in another cell.
>>344009859
wait when was it mentioned that the running woman was his mom?
>>344020153
>C
I meant the Q team by the way.
Fuck, Uchikoshi should not have made Eric, Q, and Mira so unlikable.
Hello guy I am uchikoshi if have question please ask me
So, about that Monty Hall Problem scene with the gasmask.
I picked the 4th door or something, and then all the other doors except the 6th opened. Knowing the Monty Hall Problem (and because it was intuitive since there were 10 lockers and not just 3), I switched lockers.
There was nothing in the locker I opened.
Was this meant to happen or was I just really unlucky?
>>344020153
>>344019068
>>344020261
But both Sean and Q were decent characters
>>344020290
Are you packing 18 inches?
>>344020234
>Eric's mom died when he was young
>Last words to Mira was her "catchphrase"
>>344020153
they do mention him, although sparsely.
once they remember him being in DCOM, and nother time they mention poor q dying while being both deaf and blind.
yes he's been there the entire time.
also it's reasonable to think since the dcom test is a civilian test kind of thing, having someone who is both elderly and handicapped would be good for testing. eric mentions something about why they picked people like them without skills for the test.
>>344020234
Their dialogue in certain scenes reference the backstory, and the epilogue has Sean leading Mira and Eric to the transporter and saying she can go back and fix things.
The implication is they go back and Mira and Eric end up getting married and having a nice family in a timeline before she became a murderer, but ironically gets murdered by herself in that timeline, leading to Eric abusing his son (Eric) and creating a loop.
>>344018902
>morphogenetic retard
kek
>>344020334
That was bullshit, I dont know, I tried it again and got it right
>>344020225
Even worse, when they find the 'kill one more' note.
Why not just kill Q?, he was basically dead already. Instead having a pointless 3 way shotdown.
>>344020334
You were unlucky. If you change you have a 90% chance of finding the mask, not a 100%. It happened to me too.
>>344020261
eric was only unlikeable because he was being an ass to sean.
and he was being an ass to sean because sean appeared at the exact same time they were being detained.
>>344020153
He was there, see >>344019068 's image
>>344020440
You can kill him, just put in Delta.
>>344020261
Every single game had some of its characters to be unlikable by some; not everyone likes the whole cast universally.
>>344020153
Well, he's the one who orchestrated the whole Mars Mission thing to begin with. If he was able to place all the puzzles, machines and what not, I doubt he'd have any problem getting into the thing.
However, everyone in Q team is retarded for not questioning that.
>>344020489
I know you can, but what is questionable is whySeanis the one to do it and not the other two.
Would you really rather kill a kid than killing and old fuck can't see nor hear?
>>344020334
It's Random, the right Door changes each time.
I got lucky and got it right on the second try.
>>344020514
I can attest to that. I hated Alice to no end, worst character in the series to me hands fucking down. I'd take 9th man over her anytime.
>>344020348
This will be explained in the fourth game hope you enjoy it
>>344020609
But if you switched that's not really "lucky". You have a 90% chance of getting it right if you switch. If anything, having to try it twice means you were unlucky.
>>344020442
They could have put more work on the jiggling.
>>344020334
it's written in the cinema file for Monty Hall Problem that this decision's outcome is probability-based.
Posting best twist.
>well written
>no plot holes and silly excuses
>no invisible mambo jambo
>no camera angles
>hit like a truck
Pandering to west was mistake
>>344020343
I didn't say Sean was bad. His character is pretty unexplored. Just a good kid who died and got turned into a super computer.
>>344020372
Dumb.
I seriosuly don't like how plotlines brought up in the game are dropped. Chris, Aliens, Moral consequences of shifting.
>>344020580
The kids pointing a crossbow at you and you suspect he is Zero and the old guy is just sitting there
PEPSIMAN
>>344020731
Zero Escape did not intend to pander to the west at all. 999 wasn't even out anywhere aside from Japan and NA
Shifting as a plot device doesn't wrk at least how it is set up in ZTD. Even if you shift your heart out ad ge to a timeline you want what is to stop some other self shifting and kicking you out into thei shity situation.
>>344019815
Yeah, the board lists all the people alive on the left, and they move over to the other side when they die.
>>344019953
https://youtu.be/1MSuF6io0rY?t=249
it's still unreasonable to believe that the characters thought that the Russian doll was meant to be q, and not sean.
>>344020975
Why not? They both have the same hollow eyes.
>>344020372
>The implication is they go back and Mira and Eric end up getting married and having a nice family in a timeline before she became a murderer, but ironically gets murdered by herself in that timeline, leading to Eric abusing his son (Eric) and creating a loop.
Do you have to post this theory every fucking thread?
Almost as bad as "Phi adopted herself".
>>344020781
Don't take his words, the Files only imply Sean took Mira and Eric to prevent Young Mira from becoming a murderer, it never even begins to hint Reformed Mira going to become Eric's Mom and Eric being his own Father.
>>344019208
But the game also states that the cameras are security footage that delta is view. Form this persepctive, it makes sense that he would appear in at least one image not to mention the ways when it directly contradicts itself int he shots. I agree with you on everything you said, except for the fact that the game occasionally contradicts itself.But the way I see it, what game doesn't from time to time.
>>344020949
It works fine. You can only fuck up so many times. There will be one conscious that knows all the fuck ups
>>344021042
the Russian doll clearly has suspenders.
q does not. the mask being a symbol for not perceiving the world i would be fine with, the red stain being a symbol for glasses i would be fine with, but the suspenders make no sense at all.
So what exactly did Delta have to gain from pretending to be Q? What did he accomplish by pretending to be a blind, deaf, wheelchair bound old man that he couldn't have from observing the game as an outside spectator?
>>344021042
Matreshka looks like Sean.
>>344020542
Well, he's the one who orchestrated the whole Mars Mission thing to begin with.
I don't think this was ever mentioned.
>If he was able to place all the puzzles, machines and what not
But the Mars mission was taking place in a different location, not in the shelter.
>>344021260his motives are complex
>>344021154
this crooked/cracked smile did it for me.
>>344020334
Switching is the right thing to do, but it's still just 90% chance not 100%.
>>344021260
Can't he only mindhack people within a certain range?
>>344021114
This would imply that there is only one you that realizes they are a shifter out of all the yous. I can't believe that.
>>344021442
He did mind hack Diana and Carlos unless it was actually "?" doing it
>>344020334
>picked 5 last time
>had to choose between 5 and 6
>picked 5 again
>wrong
>came back
>picked 5 again
>pick between 5 and 6
>picked 6
>had the mask inside
I don't see why this problem was so hard for people.
>>344021260
He needed to be present for his plan to work, as well as his mind hack. This is even more true when you realize that wards are very close to each other, because of his range.
