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is Akane bloodthirsty or stupid or what?
why does she try to get as many people killed as possible?
i miss best girl
;_;
I wish Diana would give me a nice blowjob and top it off with some anal
>>343666074
it was nice to see Junpei still had a sense of humor, neutered be it may
>>343666074
>Carlos pretends to rape Akane
>Talks shit about being a bad-ass detective who's seen some shit
>Junpei can barely give Carlos a black eye after multiple punches
Is Junpei the biggest bitch ever?
>>343666245
He's only funny in 999 because of localisation
>>343666235
we all do
>>343666074
c-ending turned into a huge cluster fuck after the six x-passes didn't work so then carlos took them to machines and then he had to go to different timeline to use the machine.
>>343666074
>Never has her mind wiped.
>Has access to a timetravel/reality changing device not constrained by causality and relativity
>Had Carlos, Maria and Junpei as prospects to help her on her plans
>Instead, decides to follow a bootstrap timeline whose endgame is always the destruction of the world
Akane is 100% retarded. In the C ending, VLR had already happened, and it clearly leads to a timeloop of the end of the world. Instead of changing shit around with all the new info she got, she instead decides to follow it.
What a complete idiot
>>343666349
your love for this woman who showed up for 3 seconds is pretty admirable desu
>>343666349
Who was this, again? A news reporter or something?
>Mira kills a lot of people in cold blood searching for happiness
>Akane plans a lot of deaths in cold blood searching for the happy ending without feeling any remorse(she gives no fucks about timelines where Junpei is dead or where she can't have an happy life with Junpei) and has no problem in killing D-Team with the reactor etc.
>Akane and Mira both keep secrets from other characters helping Zero. Mira doesn't tell that she isn't injected, Akane goes to the FtS meeting etc.
>Eric and Junpei only care about their lovers.
>They have no problem getting other people killed or killing other people just to save their "angels"
>Think their sappy stories justify their present behavior.
Mira/Akane and Eric/Junpei are the same, people just judge them different because they are fanboys
Did anyone else accidentally guess the Team D force quit password early because they played VLR?
A bit unrelated but I've never seen Saw, and I often hear this series shares similarities to it. Is it good?
>carlos why didn't you stop zero's plans
>I wouldn't have gotten to know you guys
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST CARLOS YOU IDIOT
>>343666491
That was Akane's mom killing herself after her husband was falsely covicted
>>343666437
what's not to love?
>short hair
>kept an entire news station on the air in spite everyone in it dying
>wasn't actually infected by radical-6, just chose to kill herself because there was nothing left
i just wanted to see her ring in the new year
>>343666527
Who judges them differently? All I see is how Eric and Junpei are fucking idiots (Eric being really annoying too) and that Akane is a bloodthirsty bitch who is also stupid, just like Mira.
>>343666074
>watching someone else play videogames
>>343666714
Not my picture, but with VNs, 70% of play time is watching cutscenes, so no great loss.
>>343666538
only reason I didn't was
>didn't know they could contain spaces
>didn't know what the brooch was called
>>343666578
>Akane why didn't you shift to a previous version of yourself and stop everything?
>>343666541
First one's alright. Then from there it's a steady drop in quality.
>>343666491
She shows up in VLR on the TV during the timeline unlocked at the end where sigma is with young akane about to be sent to the moon to work on the AB project because the world is destroying itself due to R6. She just shows up for a few seconds to announce that it's the end of the world and shoots herself.
>not even god can fix past mistakes
>the message is generated by Time itself through a bootstrap paradox
spooky as fuck, reminds me of "DO NOT MESS WITH TIME"
>>343666578
>tumblr?
Anyways, chill. It's likely that in another timeline, he did try. Uchi (or the writer he outsourced to) just needed some sort of way to justify Akane and Junpei being in VLR. Carlos was used for this end.After all, he just disappears afterwards and is never seen again
Was there any point with making Delta 124 years old?
Why did Carlos break the wine glass and have Junpei clean it up?
So Delta with his infinite complex wisdom can't find a single terrorist who is going to bomb the entire world. Even with his super Seanputer that can travel the universe and calculate every single reality.There is no single terrorist, the Shifters become that, right?
>>343666886
the game literally brings up that question of why the fuck didn't she SHIFT out of the incinerator or something in 999, making all of this irrelevant
this whole SHIFT thing was supposed to be a thing only phi and sigma could do; akane was never a shifter, she was an esper who could access the morphogenetic field
and she could only do so with 1) the sense of danger and 2) a strong emotional connection, which is why it had to be junpei
but no, now she's a SHIFTer and phi and sigma are SHIFTers and everyone is a SHIFTer
god
>>343667110
brother was explicitly stated to be insanely old in past games
>>343667137To hide them from the security cameras so they could slip the cards under their watches without Zero noticing.
>people don't realize delta is going to die before the terrorist goes full radical so it's impossible for him to find him
>>343667163
akane uses the resonance effect every time she shifts
>>343667156
He was just bullshitting them
He just relased Rad-6 to force Siggy and Akane to create VLR so he could be born
Im missing a fragement and i dont understand how I unlock it, the one where you meet delta face to face?
>>343667062
Carlos literally was lonely and enjoyed being a third wheel that he sacrificed 6 billion. him and eric are probably 4chan posters.
>>343667216
Jesus christ of course!
I was thrown when Junpei saidHe wish he'd been let in on the plan. But yeah obviously he must have received the card at some point.
Cheers anon
>>343667384
Carlos probably posts in "hug your imouto" threads on /a/.
>>343666541
>I often hear this series shares similarities
Not really.. every movie after the 1st one is basically the filmmakers trying to come up with more stupid ways to kill people with gore and nonsense
>>343667491
Sounds like ZTD to me.
>>343667287
isnt he still alive in vlr though
So Sean is Left, right?
>>343667287
he has so many resources that he should be able to come up with a better plan
>>343667287
Transporter. Set to blanket-result timelines, wait a day or two before using it again and again after it's recharged, internalized time schedule.
Duplicates upon duplicates upon duplicates of Delta all throughout the future, and only one has to return with the knowledge.
>>343667287
Wait, what was the point of making Deltas eyes purple?
>>343667384
Question: did he actually know about Radical-6 though? I know that he did fuck up and inadvertently allowed Mira and Eric to be killed and etc.
>>343667464
Nah man, Carlos seems more like the guy to post "Junpei>Carlos" and than have all these fanboys run to his defense. Eric probably reports waifuposts.
>>343667728
They forgot some textures.
D-Team best team
>We'll never see Phi in a swimsuit
>We'll never see Akane in a Yukata
>>343667062
Yeah that bothers me too. It's like what the hell does carlos do in vlr timeline? Why wouldn't Akane use him in her plans in vlr timeline?
>>343667287
Those are two fairly good counter points to complaints I've been seeing.
I guess also, because Akane can only see into various futures but doesn't know which one she's on till experiencing it, the best way for her to remain useful and in a position of control would indeed be to make sure VLR happens so that Phi and Sigma can be sent back to succeed in a different timeline.
Is there a legal reason why they can't say Marty's name but can get away with Batman and Superman?
>>343667895
That ending isn't leading to our VLR. It's leading to a bootstrap VLR where Akane has to do everything again, or rather, believes she does, because she's a fucking retard.
>>343667287
>>people don't realize delta is going to die before the terrorist goes full radical so it's impossible for him to find him
He has theAYYYtransporter andMIND HAX. Age doesn't matter.Also he could just start killing one random person in each timeline. In one timeline the terrorist dies.
In VLR why didn't Dio know they were on the moon or that it wasn't 2028?
I really appreciated the scenes of Sigma, Diana and Phi hugging once they realized that they're family. The lack of words made it have more of an impact, I think.
I am so happy
>>343668023
how is it not vlr ending? You have sigma arms blown off and eye missing. Well whatever.
>>343668062
I thought he did. He knew where the other outposts on the moon were didn't he?
The more I think about the plot the more I start disliking it. This game feels so disconnected from the rules VLR set up.
>>343668040
He can MINDHACK but it's a pretty useless power unless the person's holding a gun
>>343667665
I don't think it was stated he was still alive
lewd
Is Aksys not streaming the panel this year? They did last year didn't they?
Legit I need to ask again because this is confusing the fuck out of me, how do you get the fragment where you meet delta. As far as I can see i've done literally everything else but that's just not there
>>343668193
these comments remind me so hard from the reaction to VLR
literally same complaints
>>343668216
To be more precise, he can only mindhack Eric when he is holding a shotgun. A very specific useless power.
Wait, the entire point of VLR was that Akane couldn't SHIFT, and shifting took a lot of effort, the point Junpei, Clover and Alice lost access to the Morphogenetic Field because Ph and Sigma were leeching off of them.
So why the fuck can Akane shift effortlessly now?
>>343668161
It's the third loop. Akane's plans failed, so she's stuck forever doing them again and again, hoping that it succeeds eventually.
The problem with that is that this one bootstrap she's following will just lead to failure again.
In fact, the timeline where the world is saved has nothing to do with her plans at all. Carlos just wins a coin toss.
Akane could've saved the world by ignoring the bootstrap and doing a different future, but she's a retard.
>>343668278
I think AX is deciding not to stream some. Karen said it was up to them.
She's cute for a retard.
>>343668216
>but it's a pretty useless power
I'm pretty sure the reason Delta was even born was because people were pushed into a situation due to that very ability being used on them.
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>>343668163
Could've sworn there are some scenes he's in that they mention they are on Earth and that its 2028 and he doesn't chime in.
why didn't delta just hire junpei to find the terrorist
Damn brat
>>343668373
Because every brain is a quantum computer which means everyone can shift. The more people who can access the morph field, the more people can access the morph field and shift.
>>343668392
>Junpei died in countless timelines, got PSTD, became a ruthless cold Max Payne clone and experienced to apocalypse just to plow her pussy
Can't blame him though.
>>343668545
complex motives
>>343668373
>So why the fuck can Akane shift effortlessly now?
dire situation and surrounded by a bunch of shifter
in vlr, she isn't in dire situation, she behind all of that shit
Can someone please tell me how to get the 4th ending?
I have NO idea what I'm missing.
I fucking knew Delta was with the Q team even before the 4th ending, yet somehow I don't know how to move forward
>>343668216
MIND HACKing includes reading peoples' minds. >send yourself back to when you were young. >send your young self into the future again
>let him mindhack you for every information he needs to know
Boom, suddenly you are young againsort of
Hey I just finished itWhtat's up with Delta? was he in there the entire time?
>>343668475
To keep up the charade? If he said they were on the moon and in the future, it'd probably spoil Delta's plans if Uchi actually planned this ahead.
That or he was specifically told not to say anything.
>>343666235
10/10 would impregnate
>>343668646
who says he didn't do this already?
>>343667895
I honestly don't know if there's a such thing as an Esper power ranking, but I'd think Carlos would be pretty high up there and would be an asset. But his teammates don't see him that way. It's one thing for Junpei to reject his efforts, but Akane? She doesn't care and treats him harshly as well. He probably left for good afterwards to be with his sister, thinking himself too much of a fuck-up to be of any use.
...Or, would he just commit suicide? Who knows.
>>343668648
Yes. Didju rike it?
>Transporter sends a copy to the past/future
>not bound by shifting restriction
SO WHATS THE POINT HAVING THE GAME?
He doesn't even need to be born anymore. why not just abuse the transporter machine to send 1000000 of himself to certain time to stop the fanatic?!?
Just finished ZTD, I mostly really liked it. But it was easy to tell the game wasn't finished.
>Carlos is likable but he's basically perfect and his backstory goes nowhere
>Maria has a disease that is semi-similar to Radical 6, and also conveniently has the same memory loss/blackout effect that the bracelets do. A build-up that didn't get a payoff.
>Where did Carlos go in the VLR ending?
>No Kyle, no Clover, no Alice, no Left, no Santa, etc, at least in major roles
>Sigma's older consciousness was mostly pointless, he never made good use of his knowledge/experience, post-VLR young Sigma would have worked just as well if not better
>Akane never really shows her darker/machiavellian side, it's only occasionally implied by Junpei, and I guess all the murder-by-shifting she causes
>Mira starts out great but goes nowhere, wasted potential
>Radical-6 is a footnote
>Free the Soul is a footnote
>the VLR ending is too brief
>The twist is interesting but could have used better build-up, it wasn't as shocking or well put together as VLR's twists
>While Zero does make a strong impression in a short amount of time, he's essentially a literally who
>Ancient alien technology that is cool-looking but never explained
>The technology in ZTD in general is more advanced than VLR's, except the healing pods
>Game starts out with a lot of great violent scenes but they mostly vanish half-way through
>Puzzle rooms had some good ideas but often felt poorly paced, and often required you to click everywhere until you finally figured out what to do. They needed more playtesting.
>no secret/bonus endings
>epilogues are brief text entries (and there's nothing for Team D for some reason)
It has its strengths and weaknesses like 999 and VLR. Its heart is mostly in the right place, and if it had more time and a bigger budget it would be probably the best entry. But considering this is the real world, it's a bit weaker than VLR overall. This post is too fucking long, I'm so sorry.
All I've played so far is 999.
Can Junpei and Akane get a happy ending?
If not I will just drop this series now.
So if a sequel to ZTD comes out is it safe to say it's going to end up being 9 people forced to play another nonary game to find the terrorist?
>>343668648
I think it'sthat he was invisible to the cameras, because his shadow is visible in several scenes when he's off frame + "the truth is invisible"but yeah he was there
>>343668860
play the damn game. 999 is VASTLY superior to the other 2 games
>>343668716
Just arguing that he wouldn't need help from the SHIFTers at all.
>>343667887
If you take off Phi's coat thing it kind of looks like she's wearing a school swimsuit
>>343668373
it seems like akane could have saved the world if she just used teleporter and killed zero 10 months ago.
>>343668867
>Turns out the terrorist is just trying to prevent aliens from conquering the galaxy or some shit
>>343668791
>He doesn't even need to be born anymore
...yes he does
>>343668806
>carlos
>basically perfect
>10 MONTHS
>>343668860
They get married after failing to save 8 billion people. So yeah, kinda.
Is anyone else feeling that the ride up until the release was a much better experience than actually finishing ZTD?
>Uchikoshi left the game with a lot of unanswered plot points and complex asspulls with bad writing
>The blue bird in the cage is ZTD
>>343668893
>he was mind hacking us to not see him
I wouldn't put it past Uchi to use this as an answet.
>>343668938
If that's true then why should I keep playing them?
>>343668374
Damn thats unfortunate, gonna have to wait for the 999 news to be spread from sites then.
Where do you get the password for Q's force quit box. I've gotten some hints as to which fragment it's in but I don't have the fragment unlocked and from the looks I have literally nothing else I can do, the only thing to do now is open the box but I haven't gotten the pass.
>>343668216
He gives Dio orders personally in VLR.
>>343668648
he was Q and yes no one talked about him because he was deaf/blind/couldn't walk.
>>343669076
You shouldn't.
>>343669076
Because the other games are still good, despite 999 being better.
>>343668806
>Sigma's older consciousness was mostly pointless, he never made good use of his knowledge/experience, post-VLR young Sigma would have worked just as well if not better
Fucking this
HALP, how the fuck do in unlock zero's identity ending, i already know that the other 5 endings, i just need q force quit pass
What does Dianas feet smell like?
>>343668731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAU7tZnCcQ
>>343668938
I disagree. The gameplay is unquestionably the worst in the series and the twist is too gimmicky.
>>343669185
foot
Chuckled.
>Akane, Sigma and Phi plan for 45 years to stop brother and Free the Soul
>Clueless Junpei destroys their HQ
>Clueless Carlos wins a coin toss and saves the timeline
>Sigma, Phi and Akane, for five fucking days, with 45 years of knowledge, and knowing that brother is an extremelly old man, never once suspect the extremelly old man who is there with them in DCOM for no reason.
Holy shit the VLR cast is fucking useless.
If Akane had taken Junpei, Carlos and Maria to the moon, the world would've been saved in seconds.
Also, she never thought of using the fucing transporter she obviously knew about and had access to? NEVER?
A fucking machine that disrespects all known laws of physics, and can alter any timeline or history, and she's like "Ah who gives a shit"
>>343669101
Check every single fragment in every team. If it doesn't have the thick border around it, either something new or missing.
Otherwise, make sure every tea. Has been executed by the Team Decision Vote
>>343667749
considering how many timelines he jumped it seems like he would
>>343669185
USED
>super secret elite government agency tries to infiltrate an FTS facility and the agent gets captured immediately, almost as though they knew it was coming
>big ol' retard seven and edgemaster boozehound junpei blow up their HQ off screen by themselves as fucking detectives
>>343669167
I have no idea, I'm in the exact same boat
What happens if you putMira in the "who killed Junpei" question?
>>343669219
>The gameplay is unquestionably the worst in the series
>999: replay the game 4 times edition
>vlr: BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
>>343669219
>999 has the best twist by far. It's the one thing aside from the god tier atmosphere it has above VLR and ZTD.
>>343669167
3808-0832
>>343667163
>akane was never a shifter
Said who? The reason that child Akane never shifted can be because she couldn't, at that time, and needed training, just like Sigma and Phi couldn't shifted before VLR.
just imagine FTS planning the whole thing
>uh...mr. brother, you want to just pretend to be retarded and stay with them for five days then hope they don't suspect you once?
>Yes.
>>343668731
Yeah carlos kept all his memories and kept jumping. Has anyone done that?
EXPLAIN THIS VEE
>>343669402
The reason child Akane never shifted was because Uchikoshi hadn't written the shifting gimmick yet.
How come Akane never tells Sigma and Phi "Hey fuckers, make sure not to let Mira inject you with anything". Like, they must've told Akane what happened, and Akane never had her mind wiped.
Man, had so much fun solving rooms and drinking with friends yesterday.
They couldn't give shit about me enjoying the story, but joined in on every puzzle.
>>343668373
>In fact, the timeline where the world is saved has nothing to do with her plans at all. Carlos just wins a coin toss.
Uh isn't that the one where the religious fanatic nukes 8 billion?
>>343669298
Nothing
>>343669035
>Is anyone else feeling that the ride up until the release was a much better experience than actually finishing [insert any highly hyped game here]?
You have nine seconds to name a game where this isn't the case.
But honestly /v/'s pre-release ZTD threads were often pretty awful, the post-VLR threads were way better.
>>343669275
What did Alice's dad die for again?
>>343668806
A lot of those complains seem like nitpicking or straight autism.
>>343668154
>3ds
>>343669243
I have exactly one fragment without a thick border and it's the coin flip where i've already done both branches. I have no idea what im missing.
>>343669541
What a disappointment.
>>343669039
Delta is aware of the player's involvement ("perhaps they are the true culprit"), and the only way he can enact his plan is by hiding from the player in plain sight. By the time the reveal happens it's all too late
Delta not only tricked everyone in the shelter but he also tricked you into doing exactly what he wanted you to do
>>343669185
what does akane smell like?
>>343668938
Bullshit, VLR is where its at.
>>343669448
I don't get it
>>343669284
fuckin shit guys, i really need to end this fuckin game. the only thing i miss in the flow char is who is zero and focer quit Q,
>>343669018
>Q comes back but ends up becoming a total retard like Akane
>Gets played by an even more C O M P L E X rusemaster
>>343669242
>Sigma, Phi and Akane, for five fucking days, with 45 years of knowledge, and knowing that brother is an extremelly old man, never once suspect the extremelly old man who is there with them in DCOM for no reason.
Yeah this pretty much kills it for me
Also, aside from getting dick, wouldn't it have been MORE beneficial to Akane to take Junpei to the moon with her in the C ending?
They both knew and experienced the entire thing, and the emotional connection between them makes their powers stronger.
Also, since Maria's illness is due to her not controlling her powers, Akane could take her and Carlos to the moon too, train them and then freeze them in carbonite like she did to Sigma. That way there would be no need to kidnap Clover and Alice.
Also, why didn't she use the transporter to do anything in that timeline?
>>343669356
i know the answer, but where i'm suposed to get that number?
>>343669019
Y'know, it would've made for a good character arc for Carlos too. His naivety and tunnel-visioned heroism isn't always the right way, but up until ZTD it always has worked for him. This was never exactly explored, but highlighted as a problem in the C-end. What does he get from it beyond "I'm a goddamned fuck-up..."? Ugh.As always I wish this game didn't have to be cinematic. It clearly takes too much budget putting complex backstories, character development, and, uh, motivations in
>>343669332
>TWO SCREEN NIGGA WOAH
It's a shitty gimmick twist. Get over it.
It felt weird to me how no one from D team seemed to react to Delta suddenly being their son/brother. Phi lashed out I guess, but I felt like it was a very undeveloped plot point.
>>343669856
its obvious when you find it. you're missing a fragment
>>343669643
>perhaps they are the true culprit
Guy's talking about not blaming Q-Team for betraying them and talking about himself becauseMIND HACK
>>343669218
Wait,
If Carlos had prevented the Mars Test from happening.
Then he never would have found the fax machine and been unable to stop Zero right?
Or am I getting the rules mixed up?
>>343669856
Did you execute D team?
>>343669806
Don't forget that Sigma and Phishifted, master jumpers at this point, shift a grand total of one (or was it two?) times I'm an environment where their shift powers should've been hypercharged, and C team wings it instead.
>>343669938
i only have who is zero question icon and force quit Q, or i missed something at some point?
>>343669227
Can you answer Mira to that?
>>343669976
If not replay the execution decisions for carlos and Q and choose D team for both and you;ll get a cutscene
>>343669759
did you have the diana drinking cutscene?
>>343669303
I don't see how your greentext is an argument.
In 999 you have to repeat a bunch of escape rooms and slowly go through text. In VLR and ZTD you don't have to repeat any rooms and the text moves a lot faster.
Plus VLR and ZTD have more player interaction overall. Lots more choices, stuff you have to memorize between routes, more narrative non-linearity, etc. 999 doesn't even trust you to put in the code for the coffin. It follows standard VN conventions too closely. The puzzles are also mostly bland and simplistic, VLR and ZTD's puzzles are generally much more interesting.
I love 999 but the gameplay is the worst part. Subjectively and objectively.
>>343669916
What would you do to a 124 year old son that wanted to kill you and other people and created a timeline where you fucked your live over trying to avoid a tragedy he started? Spank him?
I might be in the exact same seat.
>>343669938
there's a few of us missing that fragment who can't seem to get it. i looked up the password and put it in, now I have ONE single thing that I haven't viewed and its what you unlock after you put that password in. the flowchart and every fragment says i've done every other choice.
>>343669484
That's the real reason, not the in-universe one.
>>343669806
When that twist came up I couldn't believe it.
Like, they lived together for 5 days. Akane, Phi and Sigma were there JUST to stop R6 from being released. They knew about brother, and they knew that:
>It couldn't have been Junpei or Diana
>It couldn't have Akane, Sigma or Phi
So that left: Mira, Eric, Carlos and OLD MAN WITH PURPLE EYES
>>343670084
yup, i repeat, i only have who is zero question mark and force quit Q question mark on the global chart, 3 fragments missing (one for each team) did i miss the hint?
>>343669484
There was plenty of shifting in VLR, it was just called "jumping".
Anyone really sad it's over? It got more and more insane so maybe it was for the best, but all three games were fucking beautiful experiences.
>You will never be able to enjoy a ZTD thread because half of the comments are always someone saying they're stuck
Honestly, this just means the game is badly designed.
>>343670030
I couldn't take the game seriously at all because of that. Sigma and Phi from the start could just use their SHIFTing powers to avoid dying and find information, but then they act as though they never went through the events of VLR.
Sigma is such a dumb dumb
>>343670102
anon, I'm replying to him by showing him the worst parts of each game he praises
I agree that ZTD has the best gameplay
Would you guys be happy if we get another game in the series that simply retcons this one?
>>343669035
I'm pretty sure someone already made this post several times. Anyways, yeah, I feel the same.
It's a bit of a vicious cycle too--needing to cope, and returning to this thread just because pre-ZTD I had such good times just...waiting for the game, as if I'm trying to shift back to that point of time.
Hype's a cruel mistress.
>>343670232
use logic, anon, and look at akane's anagram fragment again
Is full soundtrack out?
That remix of 999 main theme was cool as fuck.
>>343670276
I agree, I enjoyed this short ride.
>>343670276
It hasn't sunk in for me yet. The disappointment, anger, and lack of resolution makes it hard for the sadness over the end of a series I've loved like few others for the past 5 years to properly sink in. We have a Q&A and the remake, so I guess we're not really saying goodbye, but I am aware that the story is very likely over; it just hasn't really sunk in.
>>343670404
we pretty much asked for that, that's the setup of VLR for VLR
>Junpei and Carlos are bettter at, and do much better use of SHIFTing than Sigma and Phi
I like them both as character, but Sigma and Phi are fucking useless, and Akane should've taken Junpei and Carlos to the moon with her instead.
>it was thanks to the support of fans that this project was completed
>thanks from tbe bottom of our hearts
aww thats so sweet
>>343669579
I miss 999 and VLR when shitters like you didn't find it and started console war shit.
>>343670404
Maybe if it's actually made by the original designers and not some random team.
Why didn't Sigma shift when he got shot by the revolver?
>>343670528
Yeah, but VLR was good. ZTD is just meh.
>>343670120
I expected at least Sigma to say something about it, like saying how he couldn't be his son or something, exactly because of what you said. It was just a pretty moot plot point overall I felt.
Also the fact that he shot Sigma and not Diana seemed weird. Did he have any reasons to hate Sigma?
>>343670579
Why didn't Phi SHIFT when she got burned alive?
Why didn't Sigma SHIFT when she got burned alive and say "WAIT, PHI, IF YOU GO IN THERE YOU'LL BE BURNED ALIVE!"
>>343670404
>original artist
>original writers
>original VN style
I don't want a ZE4 at all, I want a redo of ZTD.
you people are retarded, 999 and VLR had the same problems with plot, you're only judging this more harshly because it's the last one
I have a question.
I left 4chan like 1-2 weeks before 28 to avoid spoilers. I remember, that this day someone posted a few pics of Sigma on the torture chair talking how maybe there is a way to avoid every death in this game and he started describing how to rig decision game.
Some people were reacting to it how is this working and form where are these screeshots, but I left after this, to not see anymore spoilers.
And in the actual game there was nothing like this.
Anyone remebers what I am talking about?
>>343670059
Think you can but it says 'dead can't do such things'
>>343670414
ok thanks, i tought that maybe there were another scene more specific saying who is zero, i didn't realize that you're suposed to know who is zero after that scene
What exactly did Carlos do wrong? He literally saved 2 billion people and kicked off the events that allowed the Decision Game to exist. Without the "10 months" humanity would've never been saved.
Is this just a meme?
>>343670579
who said he didn't?
>>343668806
I like to think some of the unexplained or undeveloped shit, including Kyle, Carlos and Maria, along with the other older characters, do have some purpose we don't know yet, and that even Free the Soul+that fucking terrorist actually will be expanded upon in another game...but ZTD's the end of the road.
>As Dio says, "Boo fucking hoo." (Except I don't mean it sarcastically)
>>343670804
wrong timeline, anon
see you on the flip side
>>343670705
Maybe he is mad he exists because of Sigma and Sigma is the one that sent him to the past, assuming he even knows that
I thought they only had enough food for 9-10 months, how'd they survive almost 12 with a pregnant woman? I know new models are hard to do/make but the fact that they look the same and didn't figure out the lounge trick after being there for almost a year bothered me.
>>343670190
I wonder if he defecated during those 5 days.
Diana with her Nurse training would likely be the one who has to do something about it.
Having to sit there all silent while your 20 something year old mother wipes your shitty asshole and the room reviles in disgust.
>Jokes on you guys, I was only pretending
>>343669130
Which team was he on? How come no one found him suspicious?
>>343670874
he could have stopped zero and kept everyone alive but that is debatable because the religious fanatic would still have nuked everyone.
>>343670705
>I expected at least Sigma to say something about it, like saying how he couldn't be his son or something, exactly because of what you said
That's probably because he isn't delusional enough and realizes is the true. Sigma is an old man, not a manchild.
>Also the fact that he shot Sigma and not Diana seemed weird. Did he have any reasons to hate Sigma?
He probably ended up killing everyone in the end. He may had a soft spot for her mom because she named him, and his father liked Phi quite a bit more.
>>343670738
Can you just imagine Diana trying to choose during the incinerator dilemma and then suddenly sigma and phi say
"Wait! This is our chance!"
And they just kill themselves.
downloading the pc release right now. i'll be off /v/ until i finished it. i'm tired of getting spilered
>>343670874
the joke is that akane is extremely unfair to him for almost no reason
>>343670278
I only briefly got stuck in the flowcharts, but I constantly got stuck during puzzles. The game needed more playtesting. The escape rooms would have probably been better than VLR's if they were better explained and paced.
>>343670880
Because he doesn't do shifting shenanigans like C-Team.
>>343670874
VLR is still a bad end, they need The Final Solution.Nazis
>Jumpy, did I ever tell you about the time I spent 45 years on the moon training two people to come back to the past and stop a mastermind from Free the Soul, and then when we got here we lived for 5 days in DCOM but neither one of us ever suspected the weird and suspicious old man that was there with us.
>And then you did a better job of stopping Free the Soul than any of us, without having any knowledge of any of this
>That was a good timeline
how the fuck do you get ending 4
how can i have done literally everything according to the flowchart EXCEPT meet delta face to face
>>343670190
>OLD MAN WITH PURPLE EYES
What? You mean that blind, deaf, mute, crippled old fart that, for some reason, is part of a simulation of a MISSION TO MARS could do be the bad guy?
Gonna shift to the timeline where phi is real any anons wanna join me
>>343671235
He's not a bad guy, he just has complex motives
>>343670276
Not really, ZTD was quite disappointing all things considered, but I recognize the fact that it could get far, far worse. It's better for it to end here
The game is conclusive enough an ending for me, where you can imagine that just about anything is possible in one timeline or another, so whatever you want to believe happened is what happened.
>>343671262
How?
>>343671262
Already have the gun at my temple
The more SHIFTers we get the faster we'll achieve
>>343671309
Schrödinger's cat
>>343671235
I seriosuly can't believe this is actually canon.
45 fucking years. Two time loops. 6 billion dead.
And Akane, Phi and Sigma never said "Wait a second, why is an old man the same age range as brother, who we know is going to destroy the world from here, part of this simulation?"
Also, if the test site was run by Free the Soul, how did Junpei manage to "force his way in"?
>>343671016
As long as the religious fanatic shit is true, the Decision Game is absolutely neccessary.
Which means that Carlos essentially saved the world.
With friendship.
How lovely.
>>343670467
Nvm, found the track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7qfJH514g
>>343671291
He's not a bad guy
He's not a good guy
He's a complex guy
I don't understand Phi's brooch but maybe that's just cause of time shenanigans.
Where did it come from? Diana got it from Phi's ashes, then gave it to baby Phi who in turn would give it to Diana.
There's no origin for it.
And what's the significance of the Latin? Not even Jupiter can grasp a lost opportunity? What does that have to do with anything?
>>343671037
>That's probably because he isn't delusional enough and realizes is the true. Sigma is an old man, not a manchild.
I didn't mean it in a literal sense, more like "I can't believe my son turned out to be the man that's behind it all" kind of outburst.
I've never been so disappointed by a third game in a trilogy before, and I played ME3.
Seriously, I could list a trillion issues with the game and a bunch of different twists which, not only being marginally more intelligent than some of the nonsense we got (e.g. COMPLEX MOTIVES), but would have been more interesting.
I mean, fuck, we never even saw the reprecussions of shifting at all, when there were numerous opportunities. What the fuck man?
Also Zero killing Mira and Mira killing Junpei were the worst 'twists' ever and a total copout, when there was plenty of interesting alternatives that could have been done instead with the transporter (in Junpei's case), a shifter from another timeline, or something like that. Optionally, Junpei's case could have been explained alternatively by something actively happening in the lost time (used by their future selves) instead of 'lolkilledinhissleepbyMira'. Wasted potential. Heck, originally I thought that transported Phi killed Mira, since she's the only one who'd know how to open the golden doors, wanders off on a couple occasions alone, and the secret behind the structure of the rooms isn't applicable unless you destroy the wall display, which deactivates it for the whole shelter.
>>343671648
bootstrap paradox for the brooch
>>343671648
>And what's the significance of the Latin? Not even Jupiter can grasp a lost opportunity? What does that have to do with anything?
Did you play VLR?
>>343671648
There's no origin for the entire story.
The brooch is just part of that. The entire thing is a bootstrap paradox. The decision game happened such that the decision game would cause the decision game.
>>343671227
Whats ending 4? Do you have passwords to input? Like in the secret door or something?
I miss digital roots.
>>343671779
i gotchu senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsY11KIFDM
>>343671474
>old man the same age range as brother
They must thought Q was in his 80's 90's and would die soon enough.
After all at one glance who would think, "Yea this blind, deaf guy is gonna live till 2074 and is the leader of a terrorist religious cult."
Mira also comments that someone as inconvenient as him was put in Dcom to test them on how they dealt with difficult situations.
>how did Junpei manage to "force his way in"?
He was allowed to "force his way in" since it was all according to plan.
>>343669448
3ds version was leaked on the ... 15th?
>>343670404
No, not at all. If there's a ZE4, it just needs a bit more time and money, and more leeway to flesh out the writing. Uchi shouldn't be afraid to have more talky scenes, longer endings, and fleshed-out epilogues. I can understand why ZTD had cinematic style cutscenes, but going back to something in line with VLR would be fine too. Or something else entirely.
I do love that every Zero Escape game is so distinct. I don't want a Danganronpa or Ace Attorney (1-4) situation where they basically just swap out the plots/characters and only slightly shake things up.
>>343671474
>Wait a second, why is an old man the same age range as brother, who we know is going to destroy the world from here, part of this simulation?"
They should've been behind7 MIND PROXIESto stop himMIND HACKINGthem.
Friendly reminder that Gab MIND HACKING Delta to set him up as the mastermind would explain many plot inconsistencies
>>343671694
I actually thought that when Eric shot Carlos, Junpei and Akane would materialize from the machine.
Nope, I guess, since we got ten months instead.
>>343671907
>>343669448
Plus, review copies were out on vita for about a week prior.
Anything else you'd like your infantile mind to have explained?
So it seems like normal Shifting isn't enough for you...so how about I take it to the next level
>>343671694
Fuckery with shifting and transporters would have been amazing. I mean, you could have people from other dimensions killing themselves or others, changes in morals, or grudges at the end of a particular timeline. Then you could have the character confronting their former selves.
Heck, in trying to fix the game, you could probably get away with making Zero be Akane yet again, who would have legitimately complex motives, her goal being to 1. secure humanities future in the timelines where she fails (two billion v.s. dead humanity), 2. to perfect the epitome of esper abilities, so that they can freely store and access all the possible futures involving themselves in the morpho field (as they could by halfway through ZTD), seeking the 'best' possible future for themselves, and 3. to bring an entity that supercedes a shifter (the player), by having a shell access the morpho field with no consciousness, and thus is filled with pertinent information, kinda like ? was in the end of VLR. Since they're literally the morpho field, they're is able to view everyone's past, present, and futures, not just their own, and communicate with any of the espers. This entity is needed because they dude who'd set off the nuke is a powerful shifter himself, and so only by invocation of literally a higher power than an esper would it be possible to get rid of him in all, but a single timeline (or however many times Akane has repeated this process), making the chance that he escapes and sets off the nuke 0%.
Wham, suddenly I made the entire game coherent and 20x better. Better than COMPLEX MOTIVES and MINDHACK, at least.
>>343671602
reeeee
>>343671885
Alice says that he's of advanced age, and she was from 2028.
>>34367147
>blaming them
The entirety of VLR and ZTD is Diana's fault.
>>343672103
>>343671907
Look at the time in that picture.
>>343672207
>grudges because of time fuckery
VLR already pulled this off when Phi says Sigma will layer betraying her. ZTD fucking regressed from the pervious game.
>>343668545
BOOTSTRAP PARADOX
Who was the robed person that killed Sigma and Phi? Mira? Seemed too short
Someone refresh my memory: Why didn't Junpei know about Santa/Aoi when he and Akane were kids? Surely he would have been around the both of them.
>>343672394
Probably changing the CSS and screencapping.
>>343672471
It must have been her, Zero said he allowed her to roam freely, or something like that?
>>343672471
Delta says in one of the endings that it's Mira.
>>343671885
They should'nt assume any fucking thing. They planned 45 years to stop Brother's plans, and then they get there and do fuck all for 5 days.
ALSO, HIS NAME IS FUCKING "Q", AS IN THE THE FINAL ROOMS FROM NONARY GAMES. THAT SHIT IS SUSPICIOUS AS ALL FUCK. The moment they met him, Akane should've sent a message to her brother through the morphogenetic field saying "Run a background on this weird purple eyes monster looking fuck that's in here. His name is Q and I think he's brother."
>>343672471
Mira is the only one who fits the bill, but yeah, it looked like a clone of Phi/Diana.
Half-expected a rogue transported clone.
Anyone else kinda pissed about the fact that 50% of ZTD's soundtrack is just rehashed from VLR? The atmosphere of these two games is completely different. Remixing is good, but outright copying songs? Come on.
>>343672617
Santa was older and it seemed like Junpei only knew Akane from school. He barely recognized Akane, too, so it could be possible that he simply forgot she even had a brother or didn't recognize him.
>>343672471
You can tell by the footsteps. Has that same click noise. How come no one brings up the serial killer in the crew at the end? I'm disappointed I didn't get a choice who Carlos shoots at the end cause Mira would've been the top of my list.
>>343672697
Yeah the new songs are great but they got overshadowed by the remixes.
>>343672617
I think they were adopted by two different families
>>343672679
>"Run a background on this weird purple eyes monster looking fuck that's in here. His name is Q and I think he's brother."
Almost spat out my drink anon
>>343672636
No, it's legit. I saw the thread it was in. It's just a glitch with the post time.
>>343672278
Doesn't make a supposed deaf, mute, blind, disabled elderly man any more suspicious than any other elderly man on earth
>>343670874
It's pretty weird. Some people genuinely hate him and think he's a retard for that moment. Others see the moment as the point in which he ascended into meme godhood.
A few see that he actually did do something for the greater good.
Oh, and of course the "if I had done that, I wouldn't have met you guys" lost puppy thing really made people look down on him.
I'm sure that Uchi exploited Carlos in order to make Akane and Junpei live on in the VLR timeline. Personally, I believe Carlos was way out of his depth - he's just a firefighter whose entire life is centered around saving what's in front of him - and I think he did relatively fine despite it.
>>343672679
Maybe Akane wasn't stupid at all.
Maybe she was so smart that she shifted into all the realities and realized the events of the bomb shelter were necessary, because if they didn't happen it would cause a time paradox.
>>343672759
That works for 999, but ZTD establishes that he and Akane were childhood sweethearts, and Junpei was always around her. They even went to festivals together and shit.
>>343672817
No, they lived together. Santa worked to buy stuff for her, remember?
About Sigma, didn't the game say that he was going on off about him coming from the future before the decision game started?
I'm pretty sure you'd get labeled crazy if you'd do that, so I had hard time believing how quickly Diana accepted that time travel is a thing.
WHY DID THEY DITCH THE VN-STYLE, IT FUCKING WORKED, AND EVERYONE LOVED IT IN 999/VLR! Fuck, I would have been infinitely happier if they stuck to 2D, it looked so much better and was actually genuinely creepy because they nailed the SFX and, instead of just showing you, say, someone exploding, they described the aftermath in grotesque detail.
Also, because everything was cinematics, there was barely any real exposition or cheerful chit-chat like in 999/VLR. Heck, they spent the entire first half of the game recapping, very vaguely, 999/VLR and character relationships. The fragment system was awful too, even if it made sense because it created ridiculous amounts of redundancy.
Fuck. I need to shift to a better timeline.
AAAAAAAA
I MISSED THE UPDATED VIDEO WITH EXTRA ACE VOICE
>>343672697
It was a low budget game anon.
All things considered, it could have ended up much worse than what we got
>>343672852
Most of the dead, mute, blind disabled old men on earth aren't at the Mars mission test site for seemingly no reason.
>>343672893
The transporter IS a time paradox.
And that still doesn't explain why Phi and Sigma also didn't give a fuck about albert wesker.
I was angry as fuck that Danganronpa took the whole money and ZE3 was suspended, but in the end Danganronpa 2 ended up a lot better than ZTD, even with junko-again plot twist, the story was much better and more coherent.
I wonder how New Dangarnonpa 3 will turn out.
inb4 DR shill, I am a big ZE fan and I bought ZTD on the first day even when I am poor as fuck in the shithole country and I could pirate it on steam
>>343672991
Wait, they're porting VLR too?
Wait someone tell me about Delta
Was he there all the time and no one ever talked about him?
They didn't find it weird that his name didn't appear in announcements?
They believed he was deaf and blind just like that?
This seems like a much dumber twist than Sigma not noticing he is old.
>>343672968
Because Uchikoshi wanted a new audience. He's said this many times.
>>343672991
>VLR port confirmed as well
Expected but nice.
Can someone post girls that look like Diana? I need a wife now
>>343668731
>>343669430
...Wait a second, someone should make an esper power ranking for real.It'd be fun to argue over
>>343673124
His name did appear in the announcements, he was always referred to as "Q".
>>343671210
Old Akane never shifted to the past. The one in ZTD is young Akane. How many times should I repeat this until people understand.
>>343673124
They were told that his name was Q back in Dcom.
Everyone there knew him as Q, not Delta.
>>343673124
Everyone knew him as Q. They did talk to/about him a few times.
What's the ending where Sigma and Diana walk away and Sigma keep saying everyone is fine?
What was the point?
>>343672852
Anon for fuck's sake, he's in the test site where they know 100% that an organization led by an old man is going to release Radical-6.
He should be nº1 on their suspicion list. I still can't believe Crash_keys, who hacked the whole thing and knew who the participants would be, never ran a background check on anyone.
If they did they'd go "Oh fuck, Eric and Mira are crazy, but they're not affiliated with Free The Soul, Carlos is clean, so that leaves the purple eyed mostrosity who is definitely brother"
>>343673206
What about Sean then?
>>343673196
ESPer powers, or Espers?
>>343673124
Delta was known as Q.
The player just assumed the robot boy was Q when really his name was Sean
Delta (Q) is on the scoreboards and was always there on Q-team, and was even executed with Q-team in that timeline.
Think back to how no one on Q-team knew who the robot boy was. That should have been a hint that he wasn't the 9th player but really the 10th.
>>343673124
>Was he there all the time and no one ever talked about him?
Yes and no. They referenced him a couple times you just have to watch for it
>They didn't find it weird that his name didn't appear in announcements?
He does appear in the announcements, he's Q.
>They believed he was deaf and blind just like that?
He was with them while they were at DCOM, they don't have any reason not to believe him
>>343673124
It's a shitload of contrived conveniences that hide it from the player when apparently Eric and Mira knew Sean's name and never ever ever ever used it on screen once.
>>343673209
She does have the memories from that timeline, since she can just download them for a laugh at how much she made Junpei suffer.
>>343672427
By grudges I meant taking it a step further, i.e. Carlos kills Akane in one timeline so she jumps back in time to the same (or a different) timeline and kills Carlos instead before that can happen. Meanwhile, that Carlos is confused as fuck why he was just brutally murdered with no explanation (e.g. YOU MURDERER when Jumpy is still around), and that's the one you would see first.
That sort of thing. Basically an escalation of the AB game time fuckery grudges.
>>343672968
>they described the aftermath in grotesque detail
In that one scene in 999 yeah.
People just lose consciousness in VLR
I felt more tense watching Akane and Carlos swinging their respective weapons around at each other.
Violence aside though, Nothing in any of the 3 games made me a tense as the AB game.
I must have spent a good couple of minutes on most of the choices and waiting to see the results gave me that uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach
>>343673209
She knows about very specific details like her pulling a knife on Sigma and Phi, though. Even if she's not the same, she still has the knowledge of the future events and plans.
Kill 6 Billion to kill one guy... says the guy who has the Transporter.
Wow.
>>343673321
He was suspicious because he didn't appear in the announcements. Q team always knew him as Sean.
>>343672991
They might've finished VA recordings since Karen said they were just waiting for them.
Explains Akane's lack of voice.
>>343673493
The game is baffling. This might be the worst plot Uchi has ever written.
>>343672968
>it must've been the vote at 13:30...
>we've been asleep for X hours
>WELL NOT NECESSARILY
What a fucking waste of time and effort for all of that repetitive shit.
>>343673148
A new audience, huh? Other than getting more sales for ZTD, I wonder if that means Uchi is still interested in catering to the American market with the, uh, "new audience" he supposedly has attracted.
I doubt it though.
Is it just me or were the bracelets kind of negligible in ZTD?
Holy shit the more I think about this plot, the more retarded it gets. I haven't felt like this since I first saw Attack of the Clones.
>>343673196
What the fuck is this, is Carlos Dio
>>343673719
>This meme picture again
Most of 999's characters were mediocre.
>>343673719
>9th man
>memorable
>>343673124
They did talk about him. It's just that it's done in a way that made you assume they were talking about Sean. Or Gab, when Mira refers to "Old man".
>>343673906
>shit tier
>your taste missing
it's shit
Brother and FtS seemed so mysterious and menacing in VLR, disappointing that Uchi, once again, pulled the "he wasn't a bad guy after all" card. Also, nothing on Left or the Myrmidons, or how Brother lives that long. Strangest thing is how he gave up on the ? and the player involvement. I kinda wish he stole some ideas from Remember 11 honestly.
>>343673418
Only 999 truly captivated me and had my stomach turning about. I mean, I preordered the game based on a hazy review I happened to see few weeks before the release, coming from Policenauts and wanted something new to play. Then I get a pretty spooky story that hooked me from the get go, and gives me the sub ending. I didn't rest easy that night.
In VLR and ZTD, knowing what the central mechanic is, I didn't really find myself on the edge of my seat because of things happening with the story. Instead, most times when I felt tense were because of the music inducing the right kind of mental state. For instance, that puzzle room in VLR with the giant blow-up doll of Zero III had me almost terrified with that room's music.
Meanwhile, ZTD felt near juvenile in its use of blood and gore, particularly because it used the anime blood gushes that are more hilarious than horrifying.
>>343673905
Just a Left joke someone posted. Not sure if it's dated pre or post ZTD.
I remember a lot of fans were convinced Carlos was a clone.
>>343674062
>Only 999 truly captivated me and had my stomach turning about.
What a cuck.
>>343673962
To be fair, his death kind of cements the atmosphere for 999's story. He didn't contribute much as a character, but as a tool to set the mood he was perfect.
>>343673148
FUCK WHY DOES EVERYONE ALWAYS START CATERING TO EVERYONE EXCEPT THE TARGET FUCKING AUDIENCE IN THE SECOND OR THIRD GAME IN A SERIES?
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE AUDIENCE YOU HAVE? SERIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING IN ZTD THAT DIRECTLY SPOILED 999 OR VLR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRETTY FUCKING NECESSARY. THEY EVEN DROPPED KYLE ON HIS FUCKING HEAD, AND ? NEVER SHOWED UP IN ANY CAPACITY OR EXPLAINED. WHERE WAS CLOVER AND ALICE? WHAT HAPPENED TO EVERYONE?
WHY WOULD YOU CATER TOWARD NEW PLAYERS IN THE FUCKING FINALE OF A GAME SERIES? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, UCHIKOSHI?
Fuck, seriously, at the beginning I was 90% sure Brother was going to turn out to be Snake who shifted when he died and took over someone who was in a coma (no consciousness). Instead we got some random fuck we've never heard of from VLR/999, and Phi never mentioned having a brother, or Sigma mentioned having a daughter named Phi.
So disappointing.
So was Lord Gordain just a literally who? I thought he was Delta but that doesn't add up with the age
>>343674416
Maybe Delta's father, or benefactor he mindhacked.
So zero escape 4 when? Or an entirely new ip
So, what IS funyarinpa? And how can it come in bronze plates?
>>343674283
>fans unite to make ZE3 a reality
>game caters to a new audience
I guess Uchi had to do it to convince the publishers?
>>343674507
You don't know what funyarinpa is? Seriously?
>>343674507
You mean you don't know?
Carlos is special... let's shift to ten months in the past and do nothing to stop Brother. Wow. He and Zero should be palls with how stupid they can be.
>>343674283
I get that you're upset anon, I really do.
But Phi got separated from Delta and the sigma that knows he's a daddy died, or at least never made it to the VLR timeline.
>>343674507
It's the true God that Delta and Free The Soul worship
>>343674283
>caps
Are you autistic?
>>343674507
How could you not know?! That's...that's practically blasphemous. Say you're sorry! Apologize to the funyarinpa! Goodness, you are such a rude anon.
>>343674507
>he doesn't know.
Apologize to the funyarinpa!
>>343674573
>Zero
>Stupid
MIND HACK
>>343673271
please help, I didn't get how it fits with all the other timelines
Can someone illustrate or tell me how to get the 4th ending? I have everything BUT that
>Jumpy... I'm pregnant!
>That's wonderful!
>So, what should we call him?
>Well if it's a girl Incinerator. If it's a boy, Funyarinpa.
>>343674792
Maybe hes implying that there are other timelines where they're alive
HELP
So is Quark related to Brother or something?
>>343674283
>FUCK WHY DOES EVERYONE ALWAYS START CATERING TO EVERYONE EXCEPT THE TARGET FUCKING AUDIENCE IN THE SECOND OR THIRD GAME IN A SERIES?
Because they will buy it anyway.
It's the same reason Nintendo doesn't listen to its diehard fans. They're going to buy the games either way, so what really matters is targetting someone who wouldn't have bought your games.
Video games are a business if you hadn't realize. This is all about making money, not about making you happy
Any company would gladly throw 6 million customers under the bus to acquire 8 million customers.
>>343674062
FUCK THIS
WE were supposse to create a perfect timeline where radical-6 is not released, because we as a "?" in Kyle body are the some sort of wild card that can change everything.
But what, Kyle? Who is this? Nevermind that we were told that his role in the ZTD will be crucial
Left? Dropped. Brother? Rerconned.
Radical-six was so fucking menacing that it destroyed humanity in every timeline and here it is released only during the one rushed ending when everyone says "yep we fucked up".
They Shifted an old, wise Sigma so he will be able to use his wisdom and experience and somehow find a way how to stop virus outbreak, yet he is clueless whole game.
And Phi was even more useless than him.
June somehow says that they are here to complete the plan and stop the virus yet 90% of the time she is only focusing on escaping/junpei.
Fuck this shit, really. Maybe the game would not be that bad with few changes and being a standalone title, but this is NOT what we were promised.
>>343674283
They know most of the fans and previous audience will buy the sequel(s) no matter what so they attempt to appeal to a wider market to sell more copies.
>>343674897
Life is simply unfair
Don't you think?
>>343674573
Wait a second, how could he have stopped Brother when an entire secret organization who knows far more and has much more power than him couldn't? Just trying to get your logic.
>>343674821Not 100% sure which one that is, but have you entered "Delta" during the 3-way standoff between Q, Eric, and Mira?
>>343674943
Are you saying the fans have beenMINDHACKED?
>>343674531
No, it was Uchikoshi's decision. He had full freedom do do what he wanted for this title. The producer complied with all his ideas. He's not satisfied with his current fans and says he wants to make work that will be more popular.
>>343674943
>Any company would gladly throw 6 million customers under the bus to acquire 8 million customers.
That's pretty complex.
>>343674943
Life is simply unfair.
So Carlos stayed with Junpei right after the C-END and basically helped the detective raise Quark right? In some sort of homo end or something?
>>343674984
There are times where a simple exe
>>343675050
Don't you think?
Hey remember when Sigma had a cloned son he loved who was supposed to be essential for their plan?
>>343674943
B-But you can't just play with us like that!
I want to kiss Phi on her tummy.
Need some help. I'm missing a single note. Is there a note list somewhere or could someone just tell me.
Sorted, it's between Polovstian Secret 2(Study) and Note(Healing Room)
>>343674573
He didn't shift, he copied himself using the machine.
He had to let the events in the shelter take place so that a version of himself would die there. Otherwise there would be 2 Carloses walking around...
Although during pretty much all of those 10 months, there WERE 2 Carloses walking around.
So maybe he is retarded.
>>343673906
shift Alice down to Shit tier
>>343675318
>we have a great master plan
>every returning character chimps out during the game and act like they have no fucking idea why they are here and are focusing on escaping/survival
>>343675369
It's in the library
You need to use the elevator chair a second time
It's a shitty note that tells you how to assemble the key
>>343673402
>>343673479
She had the knowledge, but she's still the young Akane, not the ruthless machiavellian cold old Akane. People seem often to forget that.
>>343675369
It should be on gamefaqs just look up help finding note and someone already made a list of the amount of notes in every room
>>343675390
There should also be a second Carlos in the true ending
Carlos thinking for one hour to then just hit on Akane... wow.
>>343675318
Remember when Akane couldn't Shift, so she used Sigma and Phi for her plans?
Or when Shifting took suck a toll, they had to leech off of Junpei, Clover and Alice?
Or when Akane had no ideia what happened in the test site?
Or why ? was important?
Or the fact that Brother wanted to clease the world because 6 Billion voices was too much for him
>>343672968
So they can cater the third game in a trilogy to new players :^)
>>343675369
You might be missing the note telling you to combine the parts to make the key.
There should be another Lett-numbers-numbers code
>>343675526
God damn it. Thank you.
I'm legitimately angry. Seriously, has there been a bigger disappointment this year? Literally wasted potential: the game.
Maybe I should stick to Takumi Nakazawa games. At least he doesn't play his cards consevatively or cater to mythical audiences. He consistently has budgeting issues though (R11 and Root Double both had budget issues, the former being only barely finished enough to figure things out and legitimately having a coherent plot since the whole point of the game is to literally fuck with you, and Root Double felt like they were going to have a finale route to save everyone, but decided not to do it at the last second).
>>343675058
No. Quark only mentions Tenmonoji as his parent. Carlos fucked off after C End and was never heard from again.
>>343675547
Or this >>343675526
>>343674614
Then how does Junepi know about it... wait a moment? Junpei is part of FtS?
>>343675646
Is Root Double a good visul novel?
I am with you, ZTD dissapinted me on so many levels that I don't even know where to start.
>>343675546
Junpei also has the knowledge in the true ending, which might create some holarious tension during their fights
>JUNPEI, I TOLD NOT TO LEAVE THE TOILET SEAT UP
>Well at least I'd never leave you to rot and suffer for 5 decades in the apocalypse while I lived like a kind on the moon.
>>343675646
I found ZTD better than 999 overall. Don't know what you're talking about.
>>343675572
>the man who could read billions of minds and had an army of quantum shifting seans and a fucking transporter that broke the rules of physics couldn't find out the identity of one person
>>343675759
How can such garbage taste even be possible. ZTD tries to recapture 999 so hard and just fails
what the fuck is ending 4 i've literally completed the game but im missing a single fragment which I assume leads to ending 4....but every single tree I can see says i've got no choices left?
>>343669003
8 billion, dummy. I swear, half the people I respond to haven't even finished the game
>>343675561
The Hero we all need
The Hero we all deserve
>>343675904
Click the teams from the team screen and check each fragment individually. Some options don't show up on the main flow page.
>>343675904
Did you get to the point where everyone is about to shift?
>>343675959
He's got a point lads
>>343675561
Carlos is the funniest fucking character
>>343675959
I genuinely thought he was being MINDHACKED there to prevent him from saying anything.
Guess I fell for the ruse.
>>343676019
I have there's not a single one with an option left.
Would you rather live in a history where Zero Escape was dropped after VLR, and Bluebird failed, or this history with the ZTD we got?
>>343675840
How are you such a faggot about your opinions
>>343675953
SHE HAD A FUCKING TRANSPORTER THAT COULD BREAK THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.
Jesus fucking Christ, Akane is a fucking retard.
How about this: Akane takes Junpei, Carlos, Maria, Phi, Diana and Sigma, they go the moon, they track the ground zero of the first Nuke explosion, they all shift there while sending a bunch of Sigma-made killer bots there, and then they either catch the terrorist, or confirm his identity.
Akane had no reason to follow the VLR bootstrap because all it does is lead to the release of R6.
>>343672103
I want a dark comedy of this game series with Carlos at the protagonist.
>>343675572
>Or the fact that Brother wanted to clease the world because 6 Billion voices was too much for him
This was so simple but so believable motivaion but nope, COMPLEX MOTIVES instead.
Why they couldn't make a game where returning characters are trying to figure whole scheme and stop brother/radical-6 and the newcomers are focusing on survival and escaping?
How ZTD in current form is any better.
>>343675840
Pacing and characterization was much better and it was a much more emotional experience with D-Team's ride.
No shitty repetitive bullshit like 999 either where you have to completely redo everything certainly helps too.
>>343675904
Make sure you have watched all of the execution scenes. You have to play the vote scenes multiple times for them to play. Yeah it's stupid because they don't play every time.
Make sure you let the timer run out on "Who killedMira?"
>>343676205
I think I'd prefer knowing the game was not what I expected than hope for a game that never would come out.
Kore wa kimitachi to, watashi to, jinrui no sonbou o kake ta geemu da.
>>343675959
>>343676156
... was Delta even there?
>>343676238
Wasn't team D written by Uchi?
That would explain why it had better characterization
>>343676205
I will take the one with ZTD.
ZTD is far from ideal, but still I liked it.
>>343676238
thanks for the lol
>characterization in a game that had less total lines spoken in the whole game than one paragraph of exposition in 999
>>343675009
Just get a rescue team at the start of the game, that would have been enough. Just stop everything from happening. Hell just tell Akane that was going to happen. It's not hard.
>>343669227
I also did that and had a laugh. Also pic related, wasn't laughing that much seeing how it hit a bit too close to home.
>>343676348
I don't even know what people are talking about either. We don't even know the range of Zero's mindhacking powers.
>>343676205
I knew it wouldn't live up to the hype from VLR, how could it...
I'm glad we got it even if it's disappointing, I just hope they end it now and don't drive it into the ground
>>343676307
shut up madao
>>343676348
I don't think so, I was more talking about the thing where characters say they couldn't control themselves. Just me being a retard.
>>343676210
even mr complex motives couldn't find out who set off the apocalypse. That's the point. It could even be incredibly similar to the snail scenario.
>>343676442
Voice acting, and fully animated scenes in particular, do some tricks.
>>343676285
what im missing is the part of the big tree in the bottom right. i have literally looked at every single fragment and there's no decisions left for me to make, and i've completed the game.
>>343676348
Delta is Q team. Of course not.Man I just got even madder for a second there that nobody ever mentioned him since he's in a wheelchair so that means either Mira,Eric or Sean had to push him around. Fuck it's such a poorly done twist
>>343666074
Just to check before I buy it on Vita for holiday.
It has both VOs in the europe version right?
Also it just dawned on me I'll have all 3 versions.
Steam when I get my new PC, 3DS watch and Vita download.
>>343673906
>seven mediocre
>eric good
>>343676480
>>343676495
No no, yeah, but... Carlos put on that ENTIRE act just to "prevent someone from seeing"
WHO? SEE WHAT? HOW? WHEN DID HE LEARN?
>>343675754
RD was good, but nothing tops the A route, and the latter bits of D-route are disappointing because there's redundancy in backstories and it felt like they were setting up for a huge, heavily-foreshadowed Ever17 twist for the finale.
It definitely felt like they were going to have a fairly long finale route to save Yuuri and Nagisa. Like,Yuuri was just handed to Natsuhiko in D-route right after he figured out that he was just crazy and she was long-since gone. Felt like she was intended to have been killed at the start of the incident in that route, and was just a lingering 'ghost' (memory) kept alive by the reactor going haywire, disappearing as they left the compound (even foreshadowed as they were leaving, since she was acting depressed and distant, as if she and fufilled her final wishes and was going to disappear). At the same time, Blick Winkel was introduced as the true perspective of the entire game (but didn't do anything), and it seems like we were intended to go back and fix everything.
Like I said, TakuNaka's weakness is budget. He always gets 90% of the way through with a top-notch game, then he has to end it short, even though he keeps all the foreshadowing. Pretty depressing.
>>343676571
They must've done some tricks on your autism since the VA and animation are quite awful. VLR had superior VA and it was all 2d
>>343676491
I just assumed Uchi knew what he was doing and already had ZTD's story more or less planned out before he did VLR.
>>343676205
This history, no question.
Fuck the game wasn't 11/10 but it was fun.
Also if you hate the game, we've got ports of 999 and VLR coming. (arguably a 999 with puzzles plus flowchart is more needed than VLR but both is great)
And if they do alright then there's a chance for more stuff set in the same universe or maybe the same characters (if people would want that)
I don't know why everyone's crying like Akane because things weren't 100 perfect.
>>343676676
No you won't
After playing it once you won't be able to justify wasting 40 bucks on it
>This solid wood can't stop the bullets but two bodies for sure can
Anyone checked this script? How is it so full of bullshit?
>>343676205
Can I shift to a history where the game was actually a fitting conclusion?
>>343676546
He couldn't Shift.
Akane had an army of SHIFters and a fucking timespace warping Machine that breaks every single law of physics.
Brother failed and decided to kill 6 billion instead, but that doesn't mean Akane ha to go along with it. The entire point of the true ending is that they don't.
VLR Akane is a complete fucking retard.
>>343676687
Ssh, Uchikoshi just wanted an excuse to write his precious attempted rape scene. We were really missing out in VLR.
>>343676838
BUT ANON THINK ABOUT YOUR OTHER SELF
YOU MURDERER
HOW COULD YOU
>>343676787
>bucks
I think you need to read it again buddy
>>343676687
Oh, that. Yeah I have no clue. Maybe Delta could've spied on them through a camera or some shit? Otherwise add that to the large list of things that makezerosense.
>>343673196
Wouldnt delta be 1 he can literally make people kill themselves?
>>343676730
What I meant was that if you're going out of your way with voice acting or animated cutscenes it's harder to drop in a lot of text.
I mean, in a text-only game it's simple, but in something like VLR and ZTD it creates more work for everyone involved.
>>343675552
That is true, why didn't Carlos appear in all those other endings or save Sigma and Diana during their ten months of confinement?
>>343676571
I ended up having to force skip dialogue because the VA pacing was weird and there was an annoying pause between lines. Zero was too quiet, even if he had the best VA. Honestly, go play VLR and compare VLR Phi to ZTD Phi. I actually think it got worse.
>>343676739
I think he did but it was originally intended to be in development at the same time and a true sequel. That didn't pan out so they had to remake the game to be more appealing to new comers, which meant rewriting the story to be more stand-alone, and throw in some budget cuts and there you have it
I think there's enough there that you can imagine how things should have turned out
>>343676681
Seven entire character is "I'm a police officer and I wanna save people"
With Eric we get an entire backstory about why he is so fucked up, why does he has that mindset and his relantionship with Mira.
You can argue all you want Eric is a less likable character, but he has way more depth than Seven.
>>343671483
>6 billion dying good
In my opinion stopping both Delta and religious fanatic would have been the ideal ending.
>>343676452
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the entire thing is simply a plot hole that's masked as Carlos's fuck up. Uchi needed a basic way to keep Junpei and Akane alive for the VLR timeline.
>>343677017
I played both games in japanese, so I wouldn't know about english voices.
>>343676981
ZTD went "out of its way" for animation and voice acting cuz he wanted a cash out on and literally thought there would be a huge influx of players who don't know 999 or VLR just for cutscenes that ended up having seriously cringe VA at some points with some flash tier animation
>>343676956
Most likely nanotechnology spy camera bullshit because sometimes they get LITERALLY RIGHT UP IN PEOPLE'S FACES and they don't seem to notice.
>>343676930
nrgnrghrtngfnDHGDF
>>343675686
That's kinda sad, Carlos worked so hard for his threesome and Akane just leaves him behind and Junpei doesn't remember anything.
>>343673719
>>343673906your tiers a shit
>>343666578
What could have Carlos done though, really
>>343676210
The gang would have to be at the ground zero of the nuke explosion in a different reality order to shift there.
And only Phi Sigma and Carlos can shift without resonance (I think)
The transporter can send two people every 11 months, so I don't see how a killer robot army is possible.
Not saying that they couldn't have better used the tools at hand but it's not like they have a win all machine with the 3D printer.
The fucking quantum computer however.... that shit's got potential.
how do i see D-teams execution if going to both choices and voting D team apparently doesn't make it happen
>>343676442
Quantity =/= quality.
Most of 999 characters are very lacking or simply put one dimensional.
>>343675686
I feel likeCarlos died from R6 in VLR timeline.
>>343677210
>that fucking garbage dub
>those garbage VAs hired entirely because of the studio nepotism
DIANA NO
Just put this here so people won't confused again.
>>343677000
BecauseMIND HACKS. We just have to accept that some FtS goons capture him as soon as Delta knows which timeline he (meaning Delta) is in.
>>343675754
I liked Root Double, it doesn't have much in the way of super mind blowing twists. But there are some good surprises, and the characters are likable. Everything wraps up really nicely in the ending.
It's FUCKING LONG though, holy shit.
>>343677480
Okay kiddo. The characters in ZTD literally don't even have arcs or any exposition. Go fuck yourself. 999 was stellar and the only reason ZTD exists is because obviously the text heavy presentation worked for a certain audience
>>343677042
The original plan was to make VLR and the third game with the same engine, but looking back, it seems like Uchikoshi got to wanting to go for cinematics soon after VLR, before work on the third game started. It wasn't a recent development. I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of that idea was what kept it from getting funded to begin with.
Why did Delta kill Gab with the shotgun?
Was it just another "To get you in the right mindset :^)" situation?
Also, was Gab present when everyone was outside the shelter?
If Delta successfully took out Gab, even in the true ending, then what the fuck. Gab must be really important.
If true it's more evidence to back up that Gab is Kyle is ?.
Rate my theoryThe Left clones are based on participants from the Decision Game
Dio is based on Carlos
The reason why Dio didn't betray Luna was because she looked like a Diana clone.
>>343677663
How long? If it's Umineko/Higurashi long I might not play it
>>343677724
Because Gab is the true Zero.
>>343677467
Vote D with team C, then Vote D with team Q.
>>343677724
A word that starts with C and ends with X.
>>343677575
Another one. This seems to answer anons question about how Akane wasn't so perceptive about Q/Delta in the test site.
>>343677781
~50 hours
>>343677724
Gab is the god that FtS worship. He was killed to force a shift into the Radical-6 timeline.
>>343667680
Sean has brown hair in the happy ending
>>343677210
>>343677521
>they played dub
>after those trailers
At least you've got Wesker Zero.
Weird how the graphics got better if you disable some filters.
Still playing it, but there is any True Ending in the game or is a Multiple Ending thing because is the last game of the series?
>>343677878
How convenient
>>343677781
>>343677663
I recommend both Root Double and I/O, they're both pretty good in their own regard, however they are, as said, pretty god damned long.
Story and twist-wise they both build up decently, so if you want to scratch the itch elsewhere, that's my personal suggestions.
>>343676205
I liked ZTD overall, and had fun playing/watching it.
I really liked the Q-Delta twist actually, really took me by surprise and his abilities were foreshadowed well by you essentially forcing the characters to make horrible decisions.
The transporter however, is a pretty fucking big asspull, no matter how you slice it though. I was really hoping by the end we'd find out it was a fake, and some sort of trickery was going on, but no such luck.
>>343677692
You seem pretty upset. Can you even back up your argument about 999 being stellar without relying on shitty gimmick twists?
carlos was my favourite character with his fucking handsome jack looking face I love him. more of carlos please.
>>343678020
I played the dub since I'm not a self loathing otaku man-child who wants to hear people squealing in another language I don't understand at all for some pretense of awful dubbing. VLR had an amazing dub
>>343667680
They actually tell you who Left is. It's such a throwaway line that complete retcons his importance in VLR I don't blame you for missing it, though. It's his stepbrother from the 1904 family.
>>343677756
>The reason why Dio didn't betray Luna was because she looked like a Diana clone.
I thought Quark somehow tricked him
>>343677724
Wasn't there something disproving kyle is the dog?
>>343677756
0/10
the Left clones are all identical and they're all based onDelta's "brother"
Why did Brother need to abduct Alice's father, among other scientists, to research human cloning if he already had a method of cloning people?
I'm a bit disappointed to say this, but ZTD was definitely the weakest part of the series for me. It would have been great if it wasn't for that sudden and rushed as fuck exposition of Diana's past and that Delta-shown-as-the-player-vision bullshit, it made the parts with Delta in them feel like a freaking free-for-all for consistency.
I liked Diana as a character, but why the hell didn't they build her past piece by piece during the regular story parts? Having all that information spouted by Sigma in one single scene felt really forced and out of place, like "hey, here's your whole past life I just told you, let's make out in this freaky ass pod".
In what points was the player perspective from Delta, and what wasn't? That one ending where you had to shoot Delta as Sean was just fucking stupid, like what the fucking fuck was that? How did he know he was there in person and at that certain place?
At least the part with Carlos getting on Akane was explained well enough, the first time I saw it I was in full what-the-actual-fuck mode. At least the post-ending story bits were great, and especially on Mira's side were the only thing redeemable about that character. And even then the full worth of it could only be achieved in a fourth part that would actually be about fixin her past. Because my god that character had nothing good going for her. But yeah, it was pretty much the same thing with Dio in VLR, and that game was straight up 5/5 material for me.
Had ZTD not used VLR's twist so much, it may have had more impact on me, but ZTD just straight up lacked the mindfuck moment and impact the two earlier games had, and seeing all the talk from Kodaka about ZTD's story "blowing your mind" I was disappointed. Not a bad game by any means, it was great, but definitely the weakest Zero Escape. At least it happened, to there's that, as well. It felt like a conclusion the series needed.
>>343677878
>>343677575
Where does this come from
how do you guys like those post ending little epilogues some characters got?dang Sean breaking Mira out of jail to use transporter and have her prevent herself from becoming the murderer in the first place
>>343678252
The burden of proof is on you faggot. Defend your shit
>>343669227
I was a little disappointed that they didn't program in some sort of clever response if you tried "Kotaro" or "Uchikoshi"
>>343678463
The booklet talks about the days they spend at D-Com
>>343673906
Shape up, cuck
>Quark, did I ever tell you about Brother, the esper leader of Free the Soul? He was a super powerful esper that commanded anarmy of cult-like followers, and he could read people's minds. He was actually born in a different timeline when a 67 years old scientist mind jumped back to his 22 years old body and had drunken sex with a psychologically tortured and formelly sexually and physically abused nurse, inside a locked death trap filled nuclear shelter. They then toom their children and shoved them into an alien pod that was found by germans in 1889, and sent their newbourns to the early 1990's, where they grew up with esper powers.
Brother, Q, or Delta, which was his true name could read people's minds and even control people, and he had acess to this same transporter that could alter any timeline without any regard for the laws of causality and relativity, but for some reason, he found out that a terrorist would blow up a nuke that would end up killing 8 billion people, so instead of using his amazing influence, which reached goverments and heads of state worldwide, or his all powerful alien technology that could alter spacetime, he used his followers and his organization to develop a Virus called "Radical-6", that made humans kill themselves and also conveniently slowed brain processing functions by 1/6 which was useful in case anyone was infected by it on the moon. He then kidnapped me, my girlfriend who was also an all powerful all seeing timelord goddess who also ran a multibillionaire company with unlimited money, but never bothered to run a background check to find out Brother's identity, a firefighter who could also leap through timelines, the third timetraveling clone of his sister who had been sent to three timelines already, his father from mother another timeline, a psychopatic serial killer and a dude that sells ice cream, and made us play a life or death game that ended with me and my girlfriend being saved by the timetraveling copy clone of Carlos
>>343678382
You'd think a character as important as Brother would've been expanded on in ZTD
>>343678468
>Because of Sean there now exists a reality where the Nonary and Decision Games never happened
All that to stop one snail
>>343678413
cause he wants to mass produce clones, not use a machine that works once a year.
>>343677889
>At least 50 hours
Especially if you want to get all the ending and do the xtend episodes. you will probably go well above 50.
Which puzzle made you feel stupidest, /v/?
>Control Room
>Didn't think I could do the laser puzzle first, cause the power wasn't on.
>Spend an hour trying to figure out what easy as shit clue I'm missing on the number/numerals voltage switchboard
>Go back to laser puzzle
>Didn't notice the "Check" button before
Damn it.
>>343678556
>Great
>Seven
And dropped.
>>343678252
He's completely right, you absolute retard. Mira, Eric, Carlos, Sigma, and Phi are exactly the fucking same as they were at the start of the game. No character development whatsoever. It's so fucking bad in Mira and Eric's case especially, that epilogue is genuinely the worst part of the entire series.
the single fragment I was missing was for Q and it was one that unlocked when I saw D teams execution.
which would be fine except i've completed LITERALLY every single other thing in the game and i've seen flashbacks to D teams execution at least 3 fucking times now why did they make it like this.
>>343675754
Route A is the best. B and parts of D are somewhat boring, but I thought it paid off in the end.
If you're looking for a somewhat shorter VN (~20-30 hours), take a look at Fata Morgana. It's not a mystery, but a really good tragedy. With soundtrack on par with Umineko, I fucking mean it (albeit on smaller scale, so to say).
>>343678748
Team D Force Quit box. It took me 10 minutes to realize you can put in a fucking space.
>>343678719
well that would be Eric's and Mira's doing,Sean probably can't transport because in the past there is no satellite signal for him to receive, so effectively he would come out dead
>>343678168
DESU I though I/O was a fucking mess a visual novel. Far too much set up for next to nothing. Overly confusing and far too much technobabble even for a infinity game.
Also there is a severe lack of cgs and character art and it becomes super apparent later in the game where one of the characters is running around shooting a million of the same bald man over and over.
VLR IS GETTING A REMAKE TOO!!!!
>It's an Akane presents her Back to the Future fanfiction episode
>>343678428
Delta wasn't invisible to the characters. He was Q, the old man in the chair. The real 10th character to the players was Sean, the boy, not Q.
The player assumes the boy is Q when really it's the old man they can't see. Delta was always there on Q team, but you just couldn't see him because he was out of the camera view.
The entire game takes place on Delta's glasses. Through the quantum computer, he can see every timeline and history and choice, and when you select a choice, you're not actually making a choice for the character making that choice, but deciding which history you're going to view, eg the history where Diana pressed the button or the history where Diana didn't press the button.
Some of these choices the characters themselves never would have made, like deviating from the plan, or pressing the yellow acid button. He used his mindhack ability to make the characters make that choice.
>>343678052
There is a "true" end in a VN/game sense, but in the context of parallel worlds, you can interpret all ends as being equal and true.
>>343679036
True, I suppose...But it wasn't as unsatisfying as ZTD.
>>343679038
Call when ZTD gets a good remake.
>>343678556
Not perfect, but slightly more accurate. Not bad.
>>343679038
Well at least something good came of all of this.
>>343678748
not stupid, but in the reactor room I wasted like 20 minutes because I could not find the matches
Why didn't Delta just tell them about the fanatic?
>>343678748
The room with the specimens.
I somehow didn't see that the pills were just numbers and for some reason thought that they would overlap and the gaps would show me the correct order.
>>343678052
There is a "true end" but the endings in D team lay the foundation for VLR.
>>343678748
>Infirmary
>Think I've sprayed everything
>Spend half an hour trying to find something I could possibly have missed
>Couldn't even begin the puzzle
>Somehow I had missed spraying the lockers
The beeping and heartbeat still haunt me
>>343678748
In healing room
I didn't know you could change the camera view when you zoom in to the piano key on the chair.
>>343679174
FUCKING THIS, too.
>>343678719
>>343678468
Those cucks are in for a surprise when they realize their conciousness doesn't transfer as well
>>343672963
I think there's somethig about it here, probably.
>>343677521
I replayed the twins ending with English audio. Thought it was pretty hilarious how Sigma was actually doing a good job while Diana was Atlus USA tier
>>343678580
>early 1990s
1904
>>343679239
That one actually took me much longer than it should've, too, for the same reason.
Didn't see it until I rotated it around and felt like a retard.
so whats the situation with delta being in Q team. I assumed it was just a cheeky fourth wall thing but people are making good points that when you meet him they call him Q which would suggest the guy they've been referring to as Q meant zero not sean and sean was just a nameless weird child sitting around with everyone?
If part of the twist is that people just didn't talk to delta at all during the game it's really depressing.
Agree that ZTD was the weakest of the series. The problem with it was how it trivialized "shifting" which was such a hard thing to happen in VLR with so many special condition.
I guess that also using the transporter with muh "alien technology" to explain shit and giving Delta MIND HACK abilities all of a sudden was also a bit disappointing.
>>343679072
well it has at least two true endingsapocalypse end in the context of the VLRtrue end where VLR need not happen
How do I get C-Team Execution? It's the only execution light not lit up
Why can't more games let you do stuff like this?
https://youtu.be/I1C8oFu1d1Q?t=7m30s
>>343666074
How do I open the damn force quit boxes? I was only able to open the D-team one, stuck on the other codes
>>343678468
>people actually take the epilogues at face value and not understanding they exist because ZTD wrapped everything up so awfully and made even more plotholes
Maybe its here?
>>343679138
Nah, I'd disagree, I/O pulled you along for fucking 50 hours acting like it's setting something big up, and the payoff if literally justInception and some contrived moon bullshit
>>343678748
At least the control room had a catchy tune.
Nuclear reactor. Had to look for a video to find the matches.
>>343679369
it's like you didn't even play the game nigga
>>343678748
The nuclear reactor room with its bullshit.
>Where the hell can I make the power go on
>Press everything everywhere, nothing but the same dialogue over and over again
>Turns out I was a few pixels off trying to click the one bar which activated the power for like 10 minutes
>At the end, immediately knew what to do
>What the hell, I'm clicking on the water, freeze the damn thing already you're even talking about it you fuckwads
>oh you have to press the current in the middle of the roooooooom for it to make sense
>that's just rich
There were so many instances where I knew what to do but couldn't figure out how to, even though I had tools in my disposal. Thank god I managed to 100% the game without resorting to any guides.
>>343677756
>Senseless indulgence tier
Doesn't fall into line with what we've learned between the two games--they were based on Left, who lived long before Carlos.
If you really like the Carlos=Left clone headcanon shit, then you'll need to at least start from here:
>He's definitely unaware of it
>It played some sort of purpose in why he was chosen for the Decision Game and why his house was burned down. You also need to consider who Maria is
>Phi and Sigma knew, but knew that his state of mind wasn't of a regular clone's
Etc, etc.
>>343679421
Delta (Q), they were told, was blind and deaf. Regardless they still did talk to him one or twice, but the player assumes they're talking to (or about) the dog.
>>343678748
not knowing you had to put the piano pieces in to view the other forms of the healing room. there were so many pieces in the forest, so i assumed i was just missing a couple in the checkboard room/garden because they only had 1 each.
>>343678556
switch phi and sean and your good
>>343678748
Not a puzzle per se but I spent like 20 minutes looking at everything in the power room but somehow missing the lever to turn on the power
Also the capsules in the biolab had me stumped for a while.
>>343670059
Yeah, but it says someone in another ward couldn't do it. Slightly annoying but makes sense.
>>343678748
It took me quite some time to understand that I had to write "SPIN" in to the thing in the rec room. I don't think I figured out how to come to that conclusion as I just kept rearranging the letters and tried every combination.
>>343679239
Meanwhile I finished the puzzle room without ever looking at the pills properly. Just picked 'em up, examined, and left them to collect dust.
>>343679438
The weird part is Carlos is the one who ends up going on wacky SHIFTing adventures, which is entertaining, but I really expected Sigma and Phi to be the ones SHIFTing all over the place in desperation, and they only mention it like a few times.
>>343678748
waiting all game to tell eric who killed mira
>>343678814
You don't need character development to have good characterization and you have an utter lack of understanding of what makes a compelling character.
>the creation and convincing representation of fictitious characters, as in a literary work.
>the act of characterizing or describing the individual quality of a person or thing.
Eric, Phi, Sigma, Carlos and Mira had backstory and thought process heavily explained in the story (Mira in the ending where you kill Eric, Eric when you don't inject yourself with Radical-6 and when he calms down after saying you don't know who killed Mira, Carlos all around C-team's story, Phi and Sigma all around the entire game, but mostly D-Team fragments...).
Your complain is just very lacking. Try again.
>>343679468
Change the votes such that C-team gets 2 points
>Diana and Sigma want their kids to be safe
>they send them to the past right before the two world wars happen
>>343679398
Matthew Mercer is a great VA.
>>343679479
Find other endings, are their some decisions earlier that appeared to rely on luck? Maybe try those again.
>>343679613
But Sean a cute! A CUTE!
>>343679712
Lmao kiddo you're still talking out of your ass and resorting to semantics to pretend like you're not the absolute mong you are
>>343678168
>I/O
My order of play:
>A
Hmm
>B
That's more like it
>D
I don't understand anything, but it's cool
>C
Fucking literal schizo
>E
YES YES YES
FUCK, ONE OF THE HYPEST ENDINGS EVER
>C' and D'
Oh, they're nice epilogues. Closed last questions I got.
>A'
STOP
>B'
I SAID STOP
>E'
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHY. WHY DID YOU WRITE THOSE AWFUL THINGS.Like and subscribe
>>343679421
Q Team knows his name is Sean, when you kill Delta at the fork Eric calls him Sean, you can also input Sean at the who killed Mira choice and Eric will go "I knew it was you all along".
>>343679050
Thanks for the input, things make much more sense now.
>>343679727
He's also the oceans gray waves
>>343679471
typing in Q or Zero and getting "Please enter Q's name" or "Identity unknown" was foreboding as hell. I liked all the "please enter a name" parts.
>>343679724
well you can assume that but it is never adressed
maybe the whole of ZE happens in a timeline where there were no world wars?
>>343673418
NONARY GAAAAAAAMEEEEAMBIDEX EDITION
>>343674062
999 I will agree made me scared at times.
But honestly, I enjoyed the characters in VLR a lot more, and using SHIFT was more intuitive.
That said
>>343672968
I actually enjoyed the cinematic camera in this game, reminded me to Catherine on a small budget.
>>343679874
It's been so long I forgot pretty much 99% of the story, but I feel like that's somewhat accurate.
>>343679471
>none of them comment on Q not being mute
>>343679685
>It took me quite some time to understand that I had to write "SPIN" in to the thing in the rec room
same here
tried
>PINS
>SNIP
>PNIS
>NIPS
etc
why does no-one question the inclusion of a 10th person. okay theyre suspicious of sean but when you've got a list of 9 people and their status as alive or dead....but there's one mysterious child who's just exempt from the whole thing and no-one brings it up?
>>343679712
>you don't need character development
>pointless expository dumps that don't influence the characters at all are good and make them compelling
Please, give me an example of something with a good story where the characters are completely static.
>>343679050
>The player assumes
>literally all promotional material refers to him as Q, no old man in sight
>delta even says he is the 10th addition in his ward anagram
apologists need to fuck off
So Igot the code from Zero as Qbut where does it go? I tried the force quit box andthe door Sigma and Diana are stuck atbut it didn't work in either of those places
Also, at the mexican standoff with Q team, I tried entering Q's name but it didn't work, even tho just putting Q says "enter his name". Though maybe thats just another secret I haven't learned yet?
Anyway, Im stuck
>>343680149
doesn't only Q team know about Sean? i assumed the other teams thought there were only 9 people.
>>343674982
>June
Anyway, we weren't even promised a third game anon, I'm glad it at least was able to finish rather than be forever a mistery, sure you might feel dissapointed because the human mind is amazing at filling gaps, and you filled a gap the size of the third game with expectations.
Not saying you're wrong though, take it as you may.
>>343679951
Eric's response to Sean's name was one thing that confused me, until now that other anon explained the deal with Delta's presence to me.
>>343679951
>you can also input Sean at the who killed Mira choice and Eric will go "I knew it was you all along".
First time I entered Sean I thought it was an oversight, like the developers had both "Q" and "Sean" referring to the same character or something.
>>343680027
>>343679685
Hitting the C in Chess with the hammer gave you the hint that the word was Spin
I also guessed that it was spin because I didn't find it beforehand
>>343680149
That's one of the reasons Q-team is suspicious as fuck of the kid. The other teams never bring it up because they don't know.
>>343679769
Looking at the flow chart, I've done all of the decisions and escapes, trying to figure out what I could be missing.
I guess I'll just go over
>>343679951
I just hate how they never call him sean once until delta is revealed
>>343679874
Yeah I'd agree, I didn't think E was super amazing but it was an alright finale. The shit after that shouldn't have been in the fucking game.
Holy shit that super-computer-scene and fight was fucking AWFUL.
>>343680250
I was stuck on this part for the longest time until I accidentally found out thatwhen Eric asks you to name Mira's killer you have to let the time run out to get a new route.
>>343680192
I'm just saying, from the character's perspective, the extra player isn't Q. It's Sean. That's why none of them know who Sean is at the beginning. Originally it was only 9 of them, and Q was the old man.
Sean is the 10th.
>>343680323
I mean I understand it in that sense but it just seems so....it seems like it requires so much bullshit to function as a twist.
>>343680005
I'm more surprised that nobody aimed on him, he is fucking mute, old and blind.
>>343680275
This isn't just players having unreasonable expectations. Uchikoshi outright lied about what would be in the third game, and the third game backed out on a lot of things that VLR pretty much outright said would be important.
>>343679874
has someone posted up all the endings yet?
>>343680027
lol I tried NIPS too, I was half expecting a reaction out of Akane and Junpei
>>343680250
The code can only be used for one thing, which you saw in that cutscene. Hang on to it anyway, though.
You should only know how to get the last standoff ending near the end of the game. It's unimportant, though.
Make sure you've seen all executions and stop bullshitting Eric.
>>343679438
I feel like giving Phi and Delta abilities because of their birthing conditions is okay-ish.
But Delta should just have been able to look through timelines using some kind of higher morphogenetic field ability, meaning that he could easily set up the specific events required to get all of the endings he needed to get the cast motivated.
Similar to Akane really, it should just be mastermind vs mastermind.
I agree with you on the shifting, having everyone do it is retarded.
Although its been a while since I played VLR and while I remember there being set points that sigma was destined to shift.... he also did quite a lot of jumping around timelines (Arguably more than anyone in ZTD)
But I guess Sigma had less of an idea of what was happening and it wasn't as easy as tapping your heels and thinking of home.
>>343680501
Fuckin A
Why didn't I think of that? Thanks mang
>>343679479
you probably need to view every team's execution scene.
>>343680440
Check out this >>343680501
>>343673418
They describe almost all deaths in grotesque detail. It really made you think and adds to the meaning of what just happened.
>>343680170
>Please, give me an example of something with a good story where the characters are completely static.
This game.
That being said, I wouldn't call them "completely" static. They are way more determined than what they were before to change the future since they achieved a result with no Radical-6 (Zero points that out at the end).
>>343680656
No problem, that part was driving me up the damn wall. All the progress was halted because of that one part and I was so close to the end already, it was horrible. Now go and get those endings.
>>343680656
I was stuck on that too. It's dumb as fuck.
>>343680440
In the top left of the chart check where theres four icons next to each other that show whether you've seen the execution scene for each team. If you haven't then go make that scene happen so you can see it.
>>343680517
That's true because they had all spent five days together in Dcom. What I don't like is using that as an entire asspull twist that doesn't do anything for the movement of the plot especially when it contradicts itself internally just to preserve the twists impact
>>343680524
It's a twist that is a bit too subtle and less in your face and uses the cinematic aproach of the game to make it's point, so of course you wouldn't realize a lot of those hints until you actually replay the game again.
But it was easily planned from the start:
"The lives of you, ME, and the human race hangs in the balance"
>>343679374
>paranoid enough to suspect the dog being the one carrying Radical-6
>ignores the misterious old guy named Q
Sure, but whatever
>>343680702
Kindly fuck off already. Being a contrarian is last year
>zero can read minds
>hands the gun to the most kind hearted guy o the group
That's cheating desu.
>>343681039
if by cinematic you mean removing the model from scenes where you should be able to see him, sure
>>343680250
Which code the one that opens his helmet? Or the quantum computer?
>>343679493
>choking back tears
fuck me
>>343681292
Carlos? That guy's a cold-blooded traitor!
>>343681343
Cinematic as in there is no narration. If there was a narration it would beg the question of who was narrating?
Without a narration, you're just seeing the events as they were captured by the various cameras in the facility, being viewed by Delta himself
>>343676348
What you see is what Delta sees most of the time, he's doing that with the glasses.
>>343681193
>Having an opinion is being a contrarian
All right. And the game is mostly very well liked too, so I'm not really being a contrarian.
>>343676931
But his other self wouldn't die, he would just remember ZTD very differently than what it is and write a fanfic in desperation.
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