DirectX 12 runs 27% slower on Nvidia hardware.
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http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-total-war-warhammer-runs-27-slower-dx12-nvidias-hardware/
>Creative Assembly has just released the DX12 patch for Total War: WARHAMMER. And while the game’s DX12 renderer is still in beta stage, it appears that there are no benefits at all for NVIDIA users. In fact, the DX12 renderer for Total War: WARHAMMER comes with a significant performance hit on NVIDIA’s hardware, something that undoubtedly surprised us.
>As we can see, there is a 26fps performance difference between DX11 and DX12. What’s really surprising here is that DX11 runs way, way, way better than DX12 on NVIDIA’s hardware (DX11 performance is on the left, whereas DX12 performance is on the right).
Fuck that sounds like bad news. DX12 is going to be a major thing in upcoming games too. Should I go AMD?
>>343578574
>DX12 is going to be a major thing in upcoming games too
They won't stop supporting DX11 for a while.
You can wait.
>>343578574
Only a fool wouldn't
lmao @ the retards saying to get a 3.5 gb 970 so they can take you down with them
Even the 1000 series doesn't support async compute
You're on Nvidia territory, OP.
>>343578574
Hasn't someone benched all cards in dx11 vs dx12?
Hate to say I told ya so.
Will AMD be able to edge out against nvidia thanks to Microsoft, or will nvidia phase out DX12 in favor of... Whatever api works best for them. Its an api and GPU war now, and both seem to be evenly matched.
>>343578574
>Sega okays some shitty RTS dev to spend money developing and releasing a new renderer
>but Sega will never put any of their own games on PC
What the fuck is Sega's problem? Are they run by Sonyggers or something?
>>343580187
it will always be dx. if you think otherwise you would be wrong. amd developed the technology they used in dx12 as well. nvidia's been shitting on all of its business partners every chance they get and its a pretty small fraternity. its why Intel is partnering with amd and windows is pushing their tech with a free windows update.
>>343580187
i dont think anyone wants dx12 and being forced to stay on windows. Vulkan needs to get more support
>>343580187
nVidia is banking on Vulkan right now and we're about to see a bunch of games update with Vulkan in the next month or so.
What I'd like to know is why AMD denied allowing benchmarks to be done on Vulkan demos, and specifically restricting them to DX12.
>Nvidia doesn't run dx12 as well as nvidia claims, thank you inept devs and your shitty spaghetti poo code
>AMD will melt your mobo because it doesn't run like it claims, either, thank you inept engineers to making hardware that demands too much wattage/amperage through a hole not designed for so much burning hot power
>>343580187
I had that same thought all along. Remains to be seen. MS is already stepping it up by putting games like forza apex as "demos" to gauge how to build games for pc. The others just were rushed to market.
Amd bet big on making mantle open source so vulkan and dx12 resulted from it. MS will force their console to use dx12 as well. I can see this ending badly for nvidia if the 1000 series doesn't support shit like async compute. At best they can desperately try to bribe devs to keep suing dx11 but MS has far more cash to counter.
>>343580564
>first time in decades where the api actually give a significant performance boost.
>for the first time in history dx12 will be dropped.
>because nobody uses windows anymore.
nvidiots everyone.
>>343580627
>amd melt mobos
Nice try but past nvidia branded cards had that issue as well and nothing came of it. The aftermarket cards will have better coolers and 8 pin connectors either way in a few weeks.
Though keep trying to push your meme. It's all you have.
>>343580587
Because AMD cut a deal with Microsoft for DX12, perhaps? There's an abundance of poo in loos in both companies and you know how the same Indian caste always like to stick together.
Why is there such a huge push for all these new APIs and these new, powerful cards? I thought the PC market was irrelevant, and console sales generated far more revenue, hence why bad and/or delayed ports exist, let alone the lack of Jap games.
>>343580995
What nVidia card was released and wasn't PCI-E compliant with the power draw restrictions?
what the point bring down nvidia dx11 performance to match with amd dx12.
>>343580587
Isn't Vulkan based on Mantle ergo AMD's thing?
>>343580995
You forgot the driver fix they're going to push out by next week. Sucks to be an early adopter, this is why you never, ever buy reference, it's not worth it.
>>343581050
>cut a deal.
nigger amd is is open source MS just used the tech because it significantly makes games run better on all hardware except nvidia. that includes cpu's.
How can you run 27% slower than not running at all?
V U L K A N
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amd win kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
>>343581181
It is, but Vulkan is open source. And speaking of open source, Nvidia is better on Linux than AMD.
>>343581181
yes it is. mantle is made with gimping amd with thier own tech. its what nvidia is good at. gimping shit.
>>343581181
It is. But AMD is specifically avoiding allowing benchmarks to be done on it. There isn't a public Vulkan demo out there to test, so I'd really just like to know why they're not allowing anyone to do a private benchmark. Whenever asked, their marketers deflect it and just talk up DX12.
In in the middle of things. I will buy what is the best for me, but both companies are hiding things in the closet when it comes to these APIs. Vulkan -should- be very close to Mantle, thus AMD should be comfortable doing demos like nVidia is doing.
One is avoiding DX12. One is avoiding Vulkan.
>>343578574
Creative Assembly have made one (1) well optimised game and it's not Warhammer
>>343581212
Then why does AMD suck on Linux? The open source drivers haven't caught up to Nvidia.
>>343580587
>and we're about to see a bunch of games update with Vulkan in the next month or so.
Next month? Sorry but nvidia can't moneyhat and outbid MS here like with gameworks
>>343578574
AMD shills movingthe goalposts I see.
>>343581325
you are fucking retarded you know that right? nvidia takes amds open source tech makes mantle to try and make amd irelevant. nvidiots suck it up like coolaid. when are you going to realize how shitty that company is for computer gaming?
>>343581484
because its open source and most people own nvidia thats why. more people helping the development better results.
Just upgrade.
>>343581558
>star citizen
kek
>>343581569
>nvidia takes amds open source tech makes mantle to try and make amd irelevant.
You're retarded. One, AMD made mantle. From mantle we got Vulkan, which is open source, and DX12, which is Microsoft's. And two, Nvidia did not make mantle, AMD made mantle. AMD is butt buddies with Microsoft right now which is why they're pushing hard with DX12 and not Vulkan. Don't forget that AMD CPUs in the future will also be Windows 10 only for Microsoft OS installs, so yes they cut a deal.
>It runs slower(...)
It just gets worse each time
>(...)on Nvidia
Oh, why should anyone care then? Nvidia buyers will just shell out another 1k or so to make that computer run 27% faster.
>>343580187
>Nvidia outspending Microsoft
lol no
Vulkan will be another OpenGL that nobody uses.
>>343581558
Deus Ex and ReCore are the only interesting games in that list.
>>343581867
they are butt buddies with MS because they know how to work with other companies plain and simple. Nvidia will throw anyone under the bus at a moments notice. just look at how they treat their nvidia sponsored partners. they have consistently pissed of and burned bridges with every company they work with.
>>343582016
Not if Nvidia really pushes it hard. It might actually make Linux see a desktop userbase growth past 2% if they support Vulkan.
>>343579990
>Hate to say I told ya so.
First off, no you don't. Secondly, there's no "told you so" about it. The way DX12 physically works teases lots more power from Radeon architectures. AMD was only able to do through Mantle after seeing what was "wrong" with their cards. It just so happens that the threading model DX12 uses seems to be based off of Mantle.
GTX cards are already working with all pistons firing so there's no more power that can be gotten from them. What's more, they don't even have the ability to utilize a new key feature that can only be done with Radeon cards due to their prohibitive architectures. Of course DX12 will run better. It's not a secret.
>>343581558
you should know that quantum break and hitman got bad rep because of bad performance.
>>343578574
>DX12 doesn't actually work or do anything
>>343581181
Yea but if it's nvidia they're always up to something
I read up on the apis and it seems the devs have more control with dx12/vulkan
Meaning nvidia can't do much to sabotage shit like with gameworks. I can see why they would lean to an open source vulkan to likely try to moneyhat devs into accepting their code to fuck with amd
Course they can't fuck with MS so...
i just want directx to die or go open source so we can get games ported to more operating systems and then people dont have to use windows only if they want to play the majority of PC games
>>343582125
I'm not denying that Nvidia have tyrannical business practices. I'm saying that Nvidia has no choice but to back Vulkan now despite their lack of async compute since DX12 is an AMD deal.
>>343582276
Dolphin emulator has seen significant perf gains using dx12 backend. Vulkan backend is in the works.
>>343582227
nice try at sounding like you know the first thing about how computers work. there has been a need for an updated api since multiple cores became a thing. it makes use of the multiple cores more efficiently for the cpu and the gpu's. its an improvement for all computers not just computers with nvidia cards. this is the difference between amd and nvidia.
>>343582183
>Not if Nvidia really pushes it hard
kek MS has more money to push it harder what don't you get? If there's one thing they're always adamant about it's getting their apis and software as the most used.
Just look at this list of shit
>>343581558
What's nvidia pushing? doom?
>Vulkan will fix it
Please save us
>>343578574
>another reason to not install w10
Do i need another?
Well, thanks.
Did they release the package yet, or is DX12 still just something the hardware and techies can play around with?
>>343582832
it improves cpu performance as well though. no matter if you have an amd chip or an intel one. it literally is good for the whole of pc. the way it should be.
>>343582791
>nice try at sounding like you know the first thing about how computers work
>[that wrong and backwards post]
>pulled the opposite inference of the point that was being made
Back you go.
>>343581286
how can you not see the 1070 and 1080 sutting all over the place? regardless of frame rate, the gtx are stuttering and the amd is smooth
>>343582984
the difference is I know what I'm talking about and you are just blindly defending nvidia like a fanboy. the rest of that post doesn't make any sense.
>Dat feel when upgrading to win10 fixed my CPU bottleneck in W3 and GTA5
I don't get it but I don't really have a choice
>>343583108
I was defending AMD you blathering goon. How did you even draw conclusion?
>>343580370
because sanic autism is cancer.
>>343582974
>cpu being relevant since the 2500k
My hand can count how many games actually take advantage of a better cpu.
Pic related is the example, but its mostly because its optimized to shit.
No shit.
>>343583179
its because dx12 is the first api in a long time that actually improves performace for pc's. it helps with cpu's and gpu's.
>>343583108
How can you possibly be this stupid?
>>343583202
what the fuck are you talking about then. I was clearly talking about dx12 and mantle.
>>343581451
wrong
>>343583313
DX11 was an enormous improvement. So was DX10 for that matter. And DX9, now that I'm recalling. What are you talking about?
>>343583303
>but I-I dont want better performance anon.
you play too many fps's then.
>>343583389
Can't wait until Trump gets rid of guys.
>>343583468
>dx11 was an enormous improvement.
bullshit.
>>343583487
I do, thats why i have a 4790k at 4.6ghz wich is more than enough, but its because of this piece of shit game, not because any other game.
The rest of the games i play they use less than 30% of the cpu and like 40%-60% of the gpu wich way more important.
>>343583592
see
>>343582832
>>343583270
I was talking about Yakuza, Miku, and that new Valkyria game. Say what you want about the others, but Yakuza is a legitimately great franchise. And the move they did with VC, saying that VC sold well on PC and then turning around to make a PS4 exclusive sequel is just scummy. Miku has lolcontracts tied to it, apparently some idols can just say "no peesee" and deny themselves an entire market.
>>343583468
>>343583313
But W3 and GTA5 don't even use dx12 yet I've noticed a 20% drop in CPU usage and even when I reach 90% load on all cores it doesn't stutter unlike on Win7. Literally tested it with dual boot few hours ago. Wonder if it was some stupid power saving feature that comes with Samsung Magican.
>>343583592
Seriously what are you talking about though?
>>343583874
Were you running Aero™ mode?
>>343583901
>dat graph.
dx api upgrades a have been visual improvement api's for a long time now.
>>343583835
>pleb doesn't want better multithreading because older real i7s will BTFO of his hyperthreaded i5
>>343583179
>>343583313
Witcher 3 and GTV 5 doesn't use directx12.
Witcher 3 actually have very little CPU dependencies if you have like 4 cores.
>>343584046
Ye but Win10 also has Aero doesn't it
>>343581286
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/total_war_warhammer_directx_12_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
Why does the R9 280x have 0 fps?
It's my card.
>>343584145
and?
>>343584151
No? Aero is a visual option for W7 that makes it prettier. Makes the windows see-through and gives some 3D usage options. It was also a bit of a system hog.
>>343578574
>actually caring about RTS games
You're that same faggot that thinks Asses of the Singularity is a good hardware benchmark, aren't you?
>>343584184
Problems with the game's internal benchmark.
>>343584452
normies get out!
REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>343584410
I'm pretty sure Win10 still has transparent windows. Also if anything ppl were reporting high cpu usage in w10, for me it's a godsend.
>>343584115
Does the games do it apart from space engineers?
Tell me a game that will use the 100% of my computer.
Does the devs even care?
They just port a console version, and thats it.
>>343584452
Just play overwatch dear.
>>343584660
Using it right now, anon.
>>343581078
>PC market irrelevant
Nigga you high? PC isn't getting smaller, and the console marketing these days is encouraging people to switch to PC. I love my PS4 but this shit is getting silly.
Consoles USED to mean
>Plug and play
>All on the disc, no updates
>No OS updates
>Games didn't crash/freeze very often
>Buy once, good for 8+ years
Now days?
>Get game
>Install, just like PC
>Update it, just like PC
>Game has bugs, frame rate issues, crashes until post-launch patch. Just like PC.
>Oh your controller needs an update anon! (What the fuck?)
>Your store app needs to update! (Can't you cover this in a system update...?)
>You want to pay us a yearly fee to play your game right?
>Here are these 'sales' you paid to get access to anon!
>Our prices are still higher than PC
If PS4 didn't have some exclusives I wanted I would never have fucking bought one, Sony can go fuck themselves with this shit. Now they want us to buy ANOTHER fucking flop of a console that won't be able to run it's games in a year or less? Fuck that man.
PS4 - $400
2yrs PSN - $120
3 controllers - $180
PS4 Neo - $600 probably?
PSVR - $500 (Dont forget you need the $100 camera to use it)
PSMove controllers - $100 (They will be required for most titles)
So if I actually pick up a PS4 neo + VR I'll be in the hole to Sony $1900 in a 2 year span not counting games. Holy fuck people we need to wake up, console gaming is NOT cheaper.
>>343578574
We knew for a while that Nvidia can't into async and their GPUs are pure DX11. That's why the 970 is going to flood ebay within a year while the 390 and 480 will live long and plentiful lives.
>>343584904
>Nigga you high? PC isn't getting smaller, and the console marketing these days is encouraging people to switch to PC.
Explain bad ports. Explain delayed versions. Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
>>343585154
>Explain bad ports.
Plenty on the ps4. It's no different.
>Explain delayed versions
PS4 is getting tomb raider and dead rising 4 delayed. Sometimes you need to moneyhat devs to delay the superior version and pretend it's exclusive
>Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles
Same reason total war warhammer and civs are exclusive to pc. That and it's most jap games and not western where the pc isn't that big so sony can easily make deals with them.
>>343583901
>0
>0.5
>1
>1.5
>2
>2.5
>windows 8
wat
>>343584904
>PS4 Neo - $600 probably?
lol no, Sony isn't suicidal. It will be $500 max assuming they are feeling brave.
>mfw money ready
>waiting for aftermarket RX 480
>mfw have to even dodge these steam sales
it'll be worth the wait
>>343585154
>Explain bad ports
non existant these days
>Explain delayed versions
such as?
>. Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
aside from destiny and some weebshit I cant think of many other games that don't get ported at some point.
>>343585542
the steam sales are pure garbage this year it was easy for me. all those 20% off bullshits.
>>343585374
>Plenty on the ps4.
Name them.
>Sometimes you need to moneyhat devs
So it's all about money.
>Same reason total war warhammer and civs are exclusive to pc.
Profitability. Which is where consoles excel at, judging by how the Japanese refuse to go anywhere else but PlayStation.
>>343585563
>non existant these days
What is Arkham Knight? What is Black Ops 3? What is The Evil Within?
>such as?
Anything by Rockstar, anything Japanese.
>aside from destiny and some weebshit
Why are THOSE games exclusive, despite neither Sony nor MS paying them for exclusivity? Is it brand loyalty?
>>343585154
>bad ports
Read about watchdogs fiasco to find someone to blame (the devs)
>delayed versions
Devs are afraid of piracy, so they delay the PC version to have more profits from it taking advantage of impatients fucks
>Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
they gave them the tools to develop in it, and its sponsored, there is business in the middle.
All of this dosent have to do with the hardware.
If devs really cared, we could have a game better than pic in a ps2.
Finding and creating ways to use the hardware wisely.
But takes too much time and too much money to optimize the game to the best possible like they did in the later days of the ps2.
Mr goldstein wont have a silver dishes to eat, so no, silver dishes come first, so just call those fuckers from unreal and buy an licence to use its engine, and do the same for the rest, the cheaper win the contract, and steal the assets and shit from everyone who tried to participate.
>>343585563
>bad ports, non existent.
nigga whut?
>>343585154
>Bad ports
Companies have only ever been lazy on PC? Explain witcher 3 console frame rate. DaS2 ps3/360 was a disaster where the PC version was vastly superior. It's cherry picking, there are a lot of examples on both sides of the fence.
>Delayed versions
Sony and M$ pay an agreed amount for a set time for many games to remain exclusive. This is purely business. There is no main company making deals to lock content to PC, unless you want to talk about Oculus.
>Non-first party exclusives
Explain why there are PC exclusives. No one pays them to stay exclusive. This question is retarded, the developer either simply didn't want to put it on another platform or perhaps didn't have the manpower to do a multi-plat launch
NVIDIA SAID THEY WILL FIX DX12 ASYNC WITH DRIVER
>>343584145
i5s easily get to 90-100% usage in novigrad
Same in battlefield 4, I get 90-100% CPU usage on 2500k @ 4.4 and 70%~ usage on my 980. Still framerate like 70-100, but with i7 I would have locked 120 I bet.
Same in Crysis 3, 100% cpu usage on the grass levels.
>>343586040
nvidia says a bunch of bullshit. nice bait though.
>>343585519
So $1800 in 2 years is okay? Shouldn't you be out buying a new iphone 7.1S for $1500 to go with your macbook SUPER PRO LIGHT AIR to replace last years model?
>>343583874
Yep windows 10 uses the CPU better, I have noticed this too
Windows 7 u get near 100% usage it starts stuttering, on windows 10 it doesn't stutter
>>343585985
mainly its because the consoles didnt want them on their platform or they wouldnt translate well to controllers.
>>343586040
Nvidia said a year ago that their Kepler and Maxwell cards would fully support DX12.
They also said a Fermi update was on the way.
>>343585828
>What is Arkham Knight? What is Black Ops 3? What is The Evil Within?
they've all had patches that fixed everything and unity was also fixed
>Anything by Rockstar, anything Japanese.
gta 5 was ported and last I checked steam had a shitton of weeb games
>Why are THOSE games exclusive, despite neither Sony nor MS paying them for exclusivity? Is it brand loyalty?
destiny already milked everyone dry and PC fags are already playing warframe (which is just a free to play version of destiny)
>>343585881
you realize that its possible to patch a game right?
>>343583468
DX10 was a massive failure. It was used in a handful of games then DX11 was released.
DX11 pretty much ran the same as DX9 but it looked better, got tessellation and all that jazz
>>343586194
this is due to the tech amd designed that windows integrated into their system. amd is based in that regard.
>>343585828
>Name them.
homefront
asscreed unity
>
Profitability. Which is where consoles excel at, judging by how the Japanese refuse to go anywhere else but PlayStation.
its funny because free to phone games make more money than any triple A game
>>343582016
You know all those android and iphones?
Every single one of em use Open GL.
And the androids are switching to vulkan to save battery life.
Also every single professional 3D software use Open GL as well.
Only games use D3D.
>>343586302
I'm actually talking about how shit AAA games perform on pc since last quarter 2015.
>>343586467
like what?
>>343586343
As an owner of a Geforce 9800gt, i would say you would be surprised on how many "DX11" games actually do support DX10 and run pretty much the same.
>>343586282
>>343586105
Its only 1 game anyway.
>>343586439
I would say Bloodborne was pretty bad at launch too.
Choppy framerate and 1-2min loading times.
Even as someone who just bought a 1080 I'm glad there's some bad Nvidia headlines floating out there, the company could use more of them, regardless of whatever the reason for the "poor" performance on DirectX12 is.
>>343586467
Yeah, I'll call you out on this bullshit right now. Name a game I can't run at ultra 1440p and get 60-100+ FPS and I'll prove you wrong, right now.
>>343586580
Nearly every game in 2017 will be DX12 I bet. Deus Ex and Battlefield 1 are two DX12 games coming soon that comes to mind.
>>343586358
But I own i5 3570, not AMD anon...
>>343578574
>mfw they said they wouldn't support mantle
>>343586748
Only about 25 titles in 2017 will use DX12. Use some google son, and most of the games are shit no one wants.
>>343586534
like any game that has been ported to pc from console. I used to be able to get 60+ frames on every game in 1080p now I'm struggling to keep 40 in most cases.
>>343586720
Arma 3 multiplayer
>>343586848
name a few and list your specs
>>343586748
>WRONG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support
There are literally no DX12 games coming out in 2017. DX12 is a meme for AMD fags to pretend their second rate hardware is good for something.
>>343586720
>everyone has the same computer as you do.
>>343586756
it doesnt matter the tech works for all cpu's.
>>343586810
Of course not.
Mantle is dead, replaced by vulkan, which they fully support and actually get a frame rate bump as good as DX12.
>>343586848
>like any game that has been ported to pc from console
You mean those same games that struggle to even reach 30 on console?
>>343586820
They wont announce DX12 a year or so before the games release date. E.g. we didnt know bf1 was DX12 until what a month ago? By the start of 2017 we'll have a better list, majority of AAA games should be DX12
>>343586964
You fucktards are okay with spending $2000 in 2 years on your PS4 but won't buy a decent gaming rig. How is this the industries fault?
>>343586957
Check that list again in 2017
>patching a shitty wrapper around a dx11 game
>""""""dx12""""""
stupidest meme ever
there's literally no point to this. AMD only talks about dx12 so much because their dx11 game benchmarks were awful
>>343586936
all of them since fourth quarter 2015
. I have a 7850.
>>343587034
haven't they always struggled to hit 30?
>>343587086
what the fuck is this guy talking about?
AMD really needs a win. Things are getting kind of dire and an Nvidus monopoly would be terrible.
But I find it hard to believe that Nvidia would be so shortsighted to not design at all for DX12/Vulkan when itsy obviously the next thing. They must have something up their sleeve.
>>343587167
>AMD PROMISED US! DX12 GAMES ARE COMING!! WE'LL FINALLY GET WITHIN 30FPS OF NVIDIA GPUS!!!!
>They said the same shit with mantle
AMDfags are so incredibly dumb, it's amazing.
>>343586748
So what? DX12 is a meme anyway. AMD designed DX12 to screw over nVidia. Not like it matters since nVidia will simply not use these "features" and make the game run better with gameworks physix and all the good stuff.
>>343587171
In dx11 the equivalent AMD card usually matches the Nvidia counterpart. It just in dx12 AMD cards get a 20-30% boost so they shit on their Nvidia counterparts, ofc they will talk about it.
>>343587171
Eh, by the price point the AMD DX11 support is still ok, but not as nearly as impressive indeed.
It's not like AMD use a S3 Virge emulator for the DX11 support or something.
>>343587285
probably referring to cost of ps4, peripherals, ps4 neo, psvr, psn, psmove. if you actually get this stuff as it comes out you're out of pocket like 1800 in 2 1/2 yrs not even counting games.
face it friendo, sony is bending us over and fucking us in the ass with no lube this gen. and we are happy about it for some reason.... i might just build a pc, this is getting dumb.
>>343587382
your one dense motherfucker. it improves technology across the board nvidia just cant into it. I'm not saying they had nvidia in mind when they designed it but they definitely had Intel and windows in mind. cant help everyone.
>>343587350
I dont even have an AMD gpu, I have a 980. Its like you wasnt here for DX11 when that was released, idiots like you were parroting it will never be used then 2010/2011 came along and every game was DX11.
>>343587350
The funny thing about this is that Nvidia is probably making the next generation of their cards to be very, very fucking fast with DX12/Vulkan.
Specially given the fact Android is moving to vulkan, and getting their tegra stuff being fast on it will give em a lot of contracts.
>>343587562
what about my post makes it seem like I have a console?
>>343587382
>AMD designed DX12 to screw over nVidia.
Delusional much. Not AMDs fault that Nvidia cards are missing technology. If it was the opposite way around and Nvidia has Async you would be praising them.
>>343587824
best part is, is my ancient 7850 gets significant performance boosts because they have been putting this tech in cards for a very long time.
>>343587672
All the Nvidia tards will just lap it up and just upgrade to the newest Nvidia gen
Planned obsolescence is what Nvidia does best
>>343588014
You don't need planned obsolesce when you have a bunch of retards that buy the newest shit for pure pride instead of necessity.
My 9800gt took 6 years to actually get obsolete, and i bet the same can be said about the AMD card of the same power and point in time.
>>343585839
Ps2 anon? Come on... I still have my launch PS2 and I doubt it could get graphics like that.
Isn't Vulkan DoA though?
Honestly if it wasn't for W10 being a NSA botnet everyone would be on DX12's dick atm. I can't think of inc games supporting Vulkan.
Valve also failed with their SteamOS. Say what you want but MS still has monopoly.
>>343587824
AMD sucks
>>343578574
>it appears that there are no benefits at all for NVIDIA users.
This happens in all games, Nvidia hardware isn't for Dx12, it doesn't take any benefits.
>>343588458
only /v/ and /g/ think that. you should check out the rest of the internet sometime. theres lots of stuff out there. cortana is the spy and one drive is looked through. other than that. the eula hasnt changed from 8.1. its literally to fix problems before normies notice them. cortana is the thing that spys on your browsing and whatever you tell it to do. but you dont have to even install it.
So is this just for that game or is it a universal issue
>>343588754
dx12 will show little to no performace gains for nvidia. as it is right now. they dont believe in async.
>>343588458
It will be despite freetards saying otherwise.
MS does the same shit with DX that Nvidia does with Gameworks.
It's why this situation is so funny. Nvidia is getting fucked by their own tactics.
>>343578574
Dx is about to die in a year when vulkin is the norm because multiplat
>>343588941
you are free to use any api you want with microsoft its just that freeware is rarely better than the developed alternative. money talks bullshit walks.
>>343588720
I'm the guy with 3570 boost on W10. Only issue I had so is my W10 scanning my W7 partition and detecting it's not genuine. I'll toy around with it once I come back from work. I hope W10 doesn't remove my pirated software.
>>343587623
I was, and it took a good 4 years after the first couple games for it to become the standard. You will not see many DX12 titles in 2017. Maybe in 2018? by then my GPUs will be 3 years old and I will upgrade.
My point is these AMDcucks parading like DX12 optimization -today- means anything. It's fucking sad, they're buying hardware for something that by the time is in actual daily use, they will need new hardware for yet again.
>>343589015
durp.
>>343589071
it wont I still have all my pirated games after the upgrade.
Vulkan only exists as assurance in case MS closes down their ecosystem, just like OpenGL
>>343589143
why do you pretend to know stuff? /v/ why you always lyin.
>>343578574
Nah, go Nvidia 1060 when it comes out.
Because we apparently live in the bizarro universe where rich people are "oppressed" because they're "jewish" and cats and dogs can have offspring Nvidia has decided to throw its driver development behind Vulkan, which is made significantly of AMD code, while AMD takes Microsoft shekels to develop almost exclusively to DX12.
Since Vulkan is going to see more use by companies (why develop solely for Win10 when you could develop for Win10+everything else) you'll wind up with a great bang-for-your-buck card crippled by poor API support if you go AMD.
Why couldn't they just develop for an API they practically built themselves? Why does AMD have to always make the worst business decisions? They're like the Capcom of GPUs.
>>343589143
>physx
oh the ironing.
>>343578574
AMD got a deal with CA. There isnt even a driver update for optimization for Nvidis cards.
Pointless test that proves nothing. Of course Nvidia wont do as well on a game AMD has exclusivity to.
Perhaps they implemented Dx12 in a poor way (ie. just a basic efficient version just to quickly get it working)
>>343588498
Nice argument you have there
>>343580187
AMD didn't gain any market share with fermi and they even did a year of rebrand with that architecture.
It's safe to say nothing short of 2 failed architectures in a row can budge nvidia
>>343589376
youre a fucking idjit. amd made good tech that microsoft adopted. one because its open source. two it makes computers work better.
>>343589376
>Why couldn't they just develop for an API they practically built themselves
That's what they are doing, both Vulkan and DX12 are heavily based on Mantle
>>343589376
Amd/ati always ran open gl better than nvidia. Expect the same since vulkin will take place of open gl
>>343589479
your confusing how nvidia parternships work with how amd partnerships work. Nvidia is the only company that actively tries to fuck over performance to make themselves look better with ludicrous amounts of tessellation. its not a secret you dummy.
>>343589516
total bullshit they gained 5% according to the quarterly.
>>343589480
Basically, they sacrificed DX12 performance for DX11, which made their cards run cooler and consume less power. AMD been playing the DX12 game ever since the 7000 series, and now its about to pay off.
If Nvidia wants to match AMD, they will basically have to do the same thing AMD is doing, thus increasing their cards power usage and heat. I wanna see how Jensen is going to spin that.
>>343589376
Wha... You realize dx12 is also supported on xbone and it still can run any other API. People will be forced to upgrade same way they were forced to upgrade to x64 OS. What other hardware do you have, tablets? Who gives a fuck about android games. They're limited by hardware and controls, not API.
>>343588458
The new DOOM is getting a Vulkan patch.
DOTA2 has a Vulkan beta.
Do you really think Source 2 is going to be optimized for DX12?
There are literally no downsides to using Vulkan, you can still put your games on Win10. The fact that news is popping up that DX12 makes Nvidia cards run worse is going to make MORE people use Vulkan because any studio that drank Nvidia's Gameworks Kool-aid is going to be terrified of losing that support by using DX12.
When you're a developer, having the company that makes your customers' hardware basically offer free middleware is like payed time off.
>>343589672
Thats false. This might be the first case of it but AMD has paid for exclusivity and is fucking over Nvidia in regards to Warhammer.
There hasnt been a single driver update for Nvidia and Warhammer, but there was one day 1 for AMD. You even see the AMD logo on the start up screen.
I dont normally post in GPU threads because you are all childish idiots. But the fact is you cant get a Nvidia or any type of card to run Dx12 well if they dont have driver support. End of discussion.
>>343589376
How did nvidia develop mantle, drop support for it, then have 2 apis based on it? That's very bad business
oh bby nvidia so gud
>>343590017
I think it all will boil down to which API offers better performance and is easier to use.
>>343590029
>paid exclusivity is dx12.
nigger you retarded.
>>343590223
It will which is why his pathetic post listing doom and dota fucking 2
will lose out to this list here
>>343581558
>>343590223
>API offers better performance and is easier to use.
Both are pretty much the same except for 2 things, Vulkan works on more devices and DX12 has a better dev toolset
>>343586464
Is this not a video game board?
Are we not talking about this topic in contrast to video games?
jesus christ
>>343589781
I guess "any" was hyperbole, They didn't take majority or anything close to it when common sense would have had them.
I remember being quite frustrated with consumers through that mess, even when nvidia was clearly the worse option people kept buying it in rates significantly higher than AMD or ATI i guess back in half those days.
It was quite ridiculous.
Can someone give me a link with lots of info on what AMD and Nvidia have coming in the near future? I keep reading all these code words for items with no reference. Last time I built a gaming pc was back in 2007.
Currently putting $20 aside a week to build a new rig and am woefully ignorant. And yes I will use logicalinctoments.
>>343578574
>Own 2 gtx 1080's
>turn on dx12 in this game which i ltierally just bought 3 days ago
>fps went up by 20
nice link. seems like a pretty easy lie but no joke dx12 upped my fps
>>343590438
>Vulkan works on more devices
If we're talking core AAA gaming, devs would prefer using dx12 to reach the millions xbox users and windows users. All while taking a sum cash from MS to use it.
Also you're probably aware of this but the reason devs love direct x is because of the ease of use and toolset as you said. Opengl did not make anything easy for them like MS did.
If we're talking mobile shit, by all means vulkan is the best.
>amd creates amazing new api tech that improves computer performance for much more than just games.
>nvidiots call it a power play because their favorite company doesnt want to take advantage of it.
fucking cancer.
>>343578574
Try reading about Pre-emptions. Following Nvidia Statements it is how they ill face the aSync Copmute, the 1070 and 1080 are in the second generation of Pre Emption and yet, it doesn't seen to make aSync as good as AMD does.
>>343590535
Nvidia recently released the 1070 and 1080. The 1070 will likely be the main card for a while for nvidia users like the 970 was.
Amd released the 480 which is a good budget hard.
However their 490 is absent. Why? My guess is their pushing for HBM2 which takes more time to manufacture and that it is vega. If so the 1070 is a waste of cash.
In any case the smart thing to do is wait and see.
>>343590535
AMD has Vega coming out soon, which is their new flagship card. The RX470 and RX460 are also coming out real soon and are their budget cards which are looking like they will offer real good bang for the buck. The RX480 that just came out is a mainstream card and is very much worth it, just wait for a custom design, which is coming out soon.
Nvidia released their flagship (1080) and enthusiast (1070) cards, which are the fastest cards in the world right now. They are in extremely low supply at the moment. They also have their mainstream card coming out the 1060.
>>343590438
What devices though. Win owners will make the jump sooner or later once they realize their fav game doesn't run without DX12 same way you can't play some games without 8 gigs of ram and x64 OS. Linux and OSX have <5% market share. No special staff re-training is huge, since they already are trained and familiar with DX11/9 standards.
Vulkan seems great for non-gaming software but that's it.
>>343590349
Read it again, you totally misunderstood.
>>343590932
nobody is fucking over nvidia, thats what nvidia does to the pc platform on the reg.
>>343590932
He's Indian, m8. No use arguing with him.
>>343591068
Again, you failed to read what I wrote and the facts before you. No more replies for you.
>>343590856
If the 490 is using hbm2 we won't be seeing it until next year, it's not a matter of how long it takes to manufacture, the actual process for it isn't really ready for a not premium priced card yet.
More like DX12 is DOA.
>>343581325
>Nvidia is better on linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
>>343591226
nvidia doesnt get much in terms of performance improvements from dx12 because they dont use async not because theres no drivers.
>>343591494
Does the 1000 series have async compute?
>>343590907
RX 480 is a budget card, mainstream card = budget. rx 470 and rx 460 are bottom of the barrel poor cards.
>>343591491
this is what I was talking about before they fuck over everyone they ever work with and they have burned all their bridges.
>>343591648
no
>>343590535
search for AMD Vega and Nvidia Volta
Pascal is just a Maxwell refresh the same way the r9 300s are refresh of r9 200s
>>343590110
>How did nvidia develop mantle
you mean AMD, pajeet
>>343582227
>>343582276
>that denial
>>343589625
nope, see linux drivers
>>343591491
Go compare open sores drivers with AMD and Nvidia on Linux, AMD is playing catch up
>>343591805
>Pascal is just a Maxwell refresh the same way the r9 300s are refresh of r9 200s
Pascal is definitely a new architecture and the 300s were on the same lithography as the 200s it's not even comparable.
Just because they have another architecture on the drawing board doesn't mean the current one is a "refresh"
>>343592169
phone posters piss me off the most.
>>343583901
Hello, I have to let you know that Star Swarm devs Oxide the same developer for Ashes of Singularity are know for being incompetent.
In this case in that grapgh from that Demo (since you can't call that a game) they feed it a workload that they KNOW will choke on a specific driver/GPU (in the case of Star Swarm they sent extremely long command lists to DX11. This mostly taxed the memory management in the driver, which was never designed to handle lists of that size. nVidia fixed up their drivers to deal with it though. It was never really an API issue, they just sent a workload that was completely unrepresentative of any realistic game workload). Again a case of bad code being bad.
Oxide was on the Gaming Evolved program (AMD sponsors, which was made only to promote Mantle, by showing that bad DX11 code is bad. Really, they show DX11 code which runs single-digit framerates on most systems, while not exactly producing world-class graphics. Why isn’t the first response of most people as sane as: “But wait, we’ve seen tons of games doing similar stuff in DX11 or even older APIs, running much faster than this. You must be doing it wrong!”?
>>343590649
nah, the big thing with Vulkan was it was FREE of directx. vulkan would improve performance on iOS devices and consoles and Linux OS kernel. that's even bigger market opportunity than XBONE (ded console) and Win10.
AMD made the consoles which is entirely possible why they knew how to make vulkan work better than nvidia has been able to show with dx12 so far.
>>343592197
it is a refresh, Pascal is just overclocked Maxwell on a die shrink
meanwhile the r9 300s are rebrands of r9 200s with power consumption tweaks, you can still get the same random freeze screen errors because of hynix vs elpida memory
>>343583179
Windows 10 uses DX12 even to render everything on the screen, so it leaves the CPU less loaded with windows GUI and free for other aplications.
>>343592371
nope async has been used in amd cards since the 7000 series nvidia doesnt use that technology.
>>343592561
will Volta have async?
>>343592624
I dont know the answer to this.
>>343583468
Nope, nope nope nope. DX10 was a huge failure since all the improvements that was predicted to give it didn't. Also, was binded to Windows Vista wich was a huge failure. Them DX11 came out with lots of cool stuff and improvements through some instructions but only nvidia worked better, it was a long long long time seeing games that worked with DX9 and DX11 but no DX10.
>>343578574
DX12 depends on the developer to optimize for the specific card and architecture that you use. Clearly CA is testing on AMD cards because they aren't optimizing for nvidia hardware at all.
Same goes for Vulkan. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of games kept optional DX11 mode for a long time to come, because I think this optimization being offloaded from GPU vendors to devs is gonna be hard to adapt to for the devs.
>>343584904
>Game has bugs, frame rate issues, crashes until post-launch patch. Just like PC.
Fuck you, this bulshit came with the X360 and PS3. Almost no PC games had problems like that in the launch.
>>343592464
no - it uses the wddm
>>343593190
>I dont have any idea what I'm talking about.
>>343593262
to be fair its because devs know they can get away with it now.
>>343593307
I do know what I'm talking about. When devs have access to the metal, they are going to have to optimize their games for it themselves. It won't be through vendor driver optimization like in DX11.
Maybe you should get off the Internet, it can't handle this many people being wrong.
>>343586464
iPhones uses proprietary Mantle, it is like Vulkan and DX12. Professional 3D software uses DX if you are using windows. CAD, Maya, 3DS, XSI, etc.
Android uses a mobile version of OpenGL that is just a capped OpenGL.
>>343593612
>no I dont.
optimization has always had to be done by developers.
>>343578574
>Should I go AMD?
No, not unless you're using a 700, 600, or 500 series nvidia card. If you have a 900 series card you're better off waiting until Nvidia release a card with async compute built into the GPU architecture. So that's only 12 months away.
>>343593731
Nope. There is a reason why game ready drivers exist. The devs can optimize but only so much before Nvidia or AMD has to swoop in and help them out with driver tweaks. That's also one of the reasons why AMD performance is so fucking bad in DX11. It takes them forever to roll out driver optimizations for games.
>>343592371
They're the same thing. Consoles are not using vulkan and neither will iOS devices if you even bothered reading up on it. Sony preferred it's propriety forked api instead as usual. Ms will be moving with dx12. Mobile games aren't what we're discussing here anyways.
For pc and scorpio, we will get dx12 moving forward. AMD does not care about vulkan anymore as dx12 is enough to make use of it's features which was the entire point of them releasing mantle.
>>343580587
>>343581181
>>343581450
not true, there are vulkan benchmarks available, and they show AMD cards don't perform as well as Nvidia cards.
>>343581558
vista 2, electric boogaloo.
>>343587672
But Tegra SoCs are nowhere in smartphones.
>>343593919
game ready drivers exist because devs are incompetent for the most part.
>>343587987
HD7000 have the first GCN architecture, while AMD is in their 4th generation of GCN Nvidia is still pushing Pre-emption that is alreadly proved that doesn't work.
>>343585839
Dude, PS2 only had like 4mb of ram, are you retard?
>>343587171
If this was the point then AMD should be still behind because DX11 Nvidia nailed it pretty well while AMD still struggle.
>>343594193
No, they simply can't do shit about it for the most part. The nvidia driver recompiles shaders for each game to make it run faster. Pretty sure AMD one does it too, but their optimizations are weak as piss.
And the devs are incompetent, but that's beside the point.
I think games look pretty good now, its okay if these new systems dont work
>>343578574
>using DX12 bloatware from windows 10 ever
yea no
there is a reason why the are aiming for Vulkan
>>343594471
most of amd's game ready drivers remove superfluous polys which gives the most performance gains.
>>343594519
you fell for the memes.
>>343594614
Don't tell me the fuckers are cheating again
>>343594519
>windows 10 is spyware
You do realise you can disable the so called spyware features through the registry
>he doesn't realise the so-called spyware features have been present since windows vista
>>343594764
>clock boost cant maintain clock speeds longer than 5 minutes about the time it takes to do a benchmark. gameworks is still a thing.
they never stopped anon.
>>343593190
Are you retarded or what? DX12 is totally the oposite, it just identifies the basics of the card like CUs, memory and clocks, everything is up to the dev when he compiles the game. the aSync architecture of Radeons is just better than the Pre-emption thing from Nvidia.
>>343594713
what ? Win 7 here. No fucking idea what you gibbering about.
>>343595032
I was going to say the same to you memester.
>>343594996
That's what I fucking said, DX12 depends on the developer to optimize for the given hardware.
If the card doesn't do async good, the dev has to optimize for it. It's on them.
They don't have to, but if they want performance it's not gonna magically create itself.
>>343594891
shit you can turn them off during installation if you dont use express install.
>>343594032
>my card underperform better than the other
>>343594891
You can disable some of it. Or make it pretend it's disabled.
>>343594891
I don't care. You shouldn't be supposed to deal with spybot anti beacon or anything else. Until a windows 10 paid version with removed bloat is out this OS doesn't exist for me. Same as DX12 baiting underage into better performance which actually shows none and is restricted your os. There is no reason to downgrade.
>>343595362
>I dont know what telemetry is but I heard all the memes.
>>343595380
>Same as DX12 baiting underage into better performance which actually shows none
The only thing wrong about your post. There are definite perf gains.
>>343579013
I've never understood brand loyalty: especially when it comes to video cards. I'm currently using a 980Ti but before that I was happily using a 7970 and if I were to go through my nearly 16 years or so of buying video cards it's bounced across manufacturers constantly.
Software changes. Hardware changes. Just find a good, stable card in your budget and enjoy the vidya. Trying to form an allegiance with something that only cares about money that you spend in its direction is utterly stupid.
>>343595380
>for you.
is this nvidia's new marketing technique or something?
>>343595227
You don't get it. The only way to do this is if they downgrade the game so nvidia would works fine, still AMD would run better. It is an hardware architecture level problem, nor drivers or programming.
>>343595543
people hate nvidia because they fuck over the entire platform not just their own customers.
>>343595497
show me your perf gains vs win7 and 8.1 kid
>>343595551
clearly lost case of free win 10 upgrade right here
>>343595543
did you sell that 7970?
there's talk about being able to use both AMD and Nvidia GPUs together with Vulkan/DX12, like how you could use an Nvidia card for physx back in the day before Nvidia stopped it
>>343595578
That is optimization. Do you understand that reality? They can optimize the game by downgrading it for nvidia hardware in specific ways which allow it to perform on par. Or they could just be lazy and not use the features at which AMD is better at all.
>>343595673
telemetry is just that kid. they dont spy on you and its an industry standard for a reason. they know it would be over for them if any confidential information from any company was collected. It would kill them completely.
>>343595673
>show me your perf gains vs win7 and 8.1 kid
You mean win7 vs win10
inb4 doesn't count it's an emulator
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-dolphin-dx12-backend
>>343595543
Most of them were consolebabies and since they dont care about consoles anymore more they feel the need to shill for a company.
So they choose whatevevah hardware their babies 1st pc has.
>>343595689
you still can do that its just a driver hack. but its not the same this new api allows cards to be stacked together regardless of clock speeds or company.
>>343595926
you what
the gpu wars are as old as the console wars
RIP voodoo
>>343596031
no they really arent.
What the fuck is nvidia doing about this? Are they this stupid, or are they trying to milk gimped cards as hard as possible before dx12 gets more prevalent so they force people to upgrade yet again?
>>343595947
although I'm sure nvidia will not allow physx to be used if you dont have exclusively nvidia cards. I'm sure they have a nice bullshit explanation on the matter at the ready as well.
>>343596163
They'll release new hardware.
>>343581450
>In in the middle of things. I will buy what is the best for me, but both companies are hiding things in the closet when it comes to these APIs. Vulkan -should- be very close to Mantle, thus AMD should be comfortable doing demos like nVidia is doing.
I agree. Can't put my finger on it. They should be the same thing.
Could be that AMD signed a contract for cash to support dx12 more. Could be that nvidia sees no gains and so would prefer using vulkans open source to force some gameworks type thing again as these apis are meant to dump the task of optimizing on devs which is bad for nvidia's gameworks program.
Either way I'd put my money on dx12 just by seeing all those games that support it. Battlefield, deus ex, watchdogs 2, tomb raider, all those ms games. Vulkan is only slapping dx12 on doom so far and that's it. I'm still betting dx11 will be better on nvidia cards even with vulkan.
>PC gaming is forever doomed to be Microsoft's cock sleeve as DirectX keeps holding vidya by the balls
Fucking Vulkan freeing us from those fags WHEN?
>>343596286
I seriously doubt they will put money into async when they have thier baby to push, ludicrous tessellation, I mean gameworks.
>>343595860
>its just telemetry
Alright jus stop here. You obviously not informed enough.
>>343595882
It doesn't count. Emulation is not windows store based DX12 games that only run on windows 10 vs DX11 or Vulkan that runs on anything with same or better performance.
So your entire DX12 meme in beta stage is a literal joke.
>>343596370
microsoft won a long time ago.I'm talking in the 80's.
>>343596163
>before dx12 gets more prevalent
DX12 is going to be as prevalent as DX11, aka no one is going to use it.
>>343596462
you havent read the thread I've already explained what you need to turn off and what features not to use.
Direct x is still supported, no way will 11 lose support soon.
>>343596462
>Emulation is not windows store based DX12 games
Can't use DX12 on Windows 7, which is why I'm waiting for the Vulkan backend. That emulator was using DX12 on Windows 10. So yes, that right there is a clear example of performance gains.
>>343582828
technically speaking intel igpus since the hd 3000 series have been very capable.
if intel were to go into the gpu business id image them innovating in a few places and holding back even more innovation than nvidia possibly could.
>>343596642
Nigga I can count the number of games that even gave DX11 options on my fingers.
>>343582828
>having to buy the k version of your video card in order to overclock it
>>343580370
Did you see their E3 "press conference"? Just two fat ugly guys with a shitty webcam announcing literally nothing. The company is run by retards.
I wish SEGA died along with the Dreamcast and sold off its IPs.
>>343596756
almost every fucking game has dx11 stupid phone poster.
>>343596386
They are going to have to design new hardware according to what is being used by developers. They can affect what the developers use, because their monopoly status, but still. They will release new cards if they for one reason or another want to improve DX12 performance.
>>343596756
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_11_support
start counting
>>343596871
I dont get it. Why not just put async compute on pascal and call it a day
>>343596942
Oh wow, looks like the faggot will have to use his toes as well.
>>343595543
I'm in the same boat brother. This is retarded.
>>343596871
thats the thing they can use dx12 they just dont get the async performance improvements.
>>343584904
I feel the same anon, but that's just how it is. At least I didn't have to get a fucking Xbone I guess. My PS4 will finally be seeing some action again later this year at its trademark unstable 25 FPS, graduating from a BloodborneStation.
>>343597007
Requires a completely new architecture. Shit is expensive.
>>343596942
>>343597007
are you two fucking retarded?
>>343596624
>caring about emulation perf gains
Still irrelevant as ever to me. Same as win10 and DX12. You haven't seen Vulkan emulation yet.
>>343596552
And I already told you Im not interested dealing with that. Provide me some OS without bloat and hardcoded spying please.
>>343595543
Best way to purchase graphics cards is whatever has the best price performance ratio in the mid range at the time you want to buy, and that shit flucuates constantly.
Anyone who just goes only amd or only nvidia are massive idiots or they have lots of their parents money to waste on the best card.
>>343596871
not they are not, nvidia own so much market share now it's not even remotley feasable to focus on DX12. sure xbox exclusives released on the windows 10 store will use it, but everyone else? zero chance DX 11 is going to stay the center of the PC market until nvidia decide to actually care about it. AMD is an after thought with pitaful market share.
>>343597280
cortana is an app. using the cloud is fucking stupid and you should already know people are looking at that data. falling for the memes. you do know what industry standard means right?
>>343583835
goddamn that thing is huge
>>343597415
dx11 and dx9 are still going to be around so long as the Japanese are making games, but you can bet your ass Micro$oft will pay developers to use dx12
>>343596471
I know, there's a long story about it. I just wish we could be rid of their cancer.
>>343597382
some people dont like what nvidia does to the entire market. their whole game is to push polys to ludicrous lvl's. they have been pulling this shit for a decade at least starting with physx.
AMD RX 470 release fucking when
I've been waiting 8 fucking years to upgrade my computer, don't hold out on me any longer
>>343597595
Linux is your only hope. 5% desktop marketshare by 2020 is looking optimistic.
nvidia, a punished graphics rasterizer designer
>>343597575
also devs will use it because it gives automatic boost in performance which makes them look good and they dont have to do anything to get it to work.
>>343597575
to what develop games for AMD? nvidia own far to much of the market to make it worth it. I don't like nvidia whole forcing devs to basically sabotage AMD, but no dev in thier right mind is going to even think about slighting nvidia.
>>343591657
love this meme
if you don't pay $500 + for a graphics card then you're poor guys! ha ha!
>>343597575
considering 75 million people upgraded to windows 10 you would have to be a fucking retard to not develop games for it.
http://fortune.com/2015/08/26/windows-10-installs/
people still falling for /g/ memes. Install gentoo you fucking faggots.
>>343597805
Battlefield 1 will use it
Deus ex will use it
watchdogs 2 will use it
Tomb raider uses it
Hitman uses it
Total war: warhammer uses it
FF XV is messing around with dx12 and will likely use it
All those MS games will use it like
Forza
Crackdown
Halo
Gears
Tell me what other games are there in the future that will keep using dx11
>>343598017
You forgot Star Ocean 5
>>343597805
no matter how much you wish computers were locked hardware like consoles it will never be. cry more faggot.
>>343597986
>50 cents have been added to your Microsoft wallet. Keep up the good posts Parkhan.
>>343593652
Apple's API is Metal, Mantle is done and rolled into Vulkan
>>343598224
how about you learn about fucking intelligence shitlord.
DX12 isn't viable at all until nvidia actually develops cards for it. until then devs have to cater to nvidia cards. and that means DX11.
I haven't played on an AMD/ATI card in years and honestly I'm a bit reluctant buying one since I've owned 3 in the past and have gotten burned in some way on all three of them (hardware failures, shitty/late drivers).
If people swear up and down that AMD's better than they used to be, I'll think about one for my next card, but for now I'll just wait for Nvidia to fix their DX12 performance.
>>343586820
>Only about 25 titles in 2017 will use DX12.
Doesn't matter, Vulkan uses async compute too, and nvidia still has shit support for it
>>343598259
>If it dont help nvidia its garbage.
>>343598554
>learn about intelligence.
pretty stupid statement moving on. also 75 million people upgraded to windows 10 whats your excuse.oh thats right a fucking /g/ meme.
>>343598672
They are better, depending on how long ago you used their shit. Still bad, though. Their problem is that they don't understand what gamers want.
>>343598806
>Vulkan uses async compute too
And yet nvidia outperforms AMD in vulkan games, see >>343594032
>>343599229
they understand performance per dollar. also they are about helping the pc platform to be better. they are about making computers better. they just came out with gpu accelerated servers. improved performance for all computers with mantle. know how to work with other companies in thier same market. nvidia is and always has been cancer.
>>343599510
>nvidia is and always has been cancer.
Pretty much. Now you have those retards hoping desperately dx12 isn't gonna be used when it is being used already and hold everyone back due to having shitty cards. Course with MS pushing it that ain't happening.
>>343599510
forgot to mention the first modular laptop for gaming. all this year. by modualr I mean you pull out the gpu when gaming for increased airflow and is upgradable.
>>343598672
You should stay away from AMD for now. RX480 turned out ot be a disaster. They promised drivers that apparently fix the power issue which leas into damaging your entire system not only the motherboard but their marketing goal was power efficiency with Polaris. Failed miserably at both performance and efficiency.
>>343599764
hyperbole. how about some facts.
>>343599510
Yet they are losing money for it. What is the end goal, to make nvidia rich?
Future proofing, which is what Amd is good at is a sham. Nobody who has the money to buy their products cares. Only people who buy cheap shit care, and not only are margins low on that, but you can't even future proof it.
Amd is just incompetently managed.
>>343599854
google power issue RX480
or visit reddit / AMD
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/
couple facts for you
>>343600091
pathetic that a 480 is approaching a fucking 1070 and the 290 shit on the 970
nvidia is dead
>>343600191
guess asynch compute matters ;^(
>>343600024
I'm going to need a source.
>>343600351
There multiple sources with videos my autistic friend. Spoonfeeding costs extra.
>>343599897
thats changing fast. amd has gained 5% market share in less than 4 months. the only thing I can praise nvidia about is they know their customers. tey want the console crowd. nothing matters but benchmarks.
>>343600351
reddit isnt a source its a forum.
>>343600559
this was for >>343600476
>>343600559
Its not a forum its a link indexer with comment function
>>343600091
>PTS
>One of the dodgiest benchmarkers in the industry
>>343600487
Yea but that is nothing when you're below 20% of the market. I'm sure the fiasco with 480s isn't helping. The only reason it happened was because Amd wanted to stick their head in the sand and pretend their card didn't need dual 6 pin.
>>343600693
just give a source thats it. link a source from reddit if you need to.
>>343600754
that 5 percent bumped them up above 20%
>>343600754
whats the fiasco? dont link to reddit please.
>>343600817
It's still nothing, that's my point. If they keep fucking up, it's just gonna go down again.
>>343578574
>DX12
>Ever
Good thing 99% of games are nvidia favoured/partnered and they'll push Vulkan to their advantage.
Finally DirectX can die.
>>343583303
What game?
>>343600908
shits a changing is what I'm saying. I never would deny that nvidia has the market share on gpu's but you forget they make servers and gpu's nvidia isnt even considered a peer since they only make gpu's.
>>343600889
Read the reddit post, it spoon feeds you the info. The gist of it is that Amd took a 150W tdp card and chose to power it with 1 6 pin. Which would be retarded even if the power consumption was only 150w. Which it isn't.
I would Love to Punish AMD and Nvidia fanboys.
Want to overclock? If You do not know how to 480, You have to touch my left peepeenut.
PSU
>>343601126
it also uses a cage fan. whats your point.
>>343600889
how can anyone be this mental behind ? The reddit link has all the sources you need you fucking imbecile. Its literally based on RX480 issue with AMD subreddit.
>>343601319
link a relevant source to our discussion. if you cant do that fuck right the fuck off.
>>343601265
My point is that they are getting massive negative publicity for an absolute retard mistake
3.5 was probably a big contribution to the 5% they gained. This is worse.
>>343601368
Eat shit you faggot
>>343601457
what is the problem? overclocking? it doesnt work with a 6 pin at all? what is the problem???
>>343578574
>sample size of 1 (one) game
really makes you think
>>343601490
thought so.
>>343601457
I dont even need to go to reddit to know they are probably talking about overclocking. WITH A REFERENCE CARD.
I was wondering where all the AMD shills have gone to after the recent release of the 480.
>>343601625
Keep chewing on it steady.
>>343588209
>My 9800gt took 6 years to actually get obsolete
Holy fuck just switch to consoles, you eat enough shit as is.
>>343600024
holy fuck... that damaged motherboard he posted lmao
AMD back at it again - housefire style.
>>343602002
dumb enough to overclock with a reference card. and these people are considered tech reviewers in the reddit world.
>>343602086
since when its not allowed to oc on reference ?
Also it was not OC'd at all. He had a system running without problems with Tri-Crossfire as soon as he upgraded to RX480 his mobo just broke. Seems like you are the retard here.
>>343602458
since its not rated to do so. he also probably tired to push it as far as he could like a complete moron. shit I wouldnt put a dipshit from reddit to up the voltage as high as it would go.
>>343602563
put it past*
>>343601796
You know people waterblock those, right? That reference card has an overbuilt as fuck vrm too. So Amd is doing nothing but farming negative publicity
>>343602563
Well to his defense other sources say the same and indeed it does damage your system. OC or not. .
>>343602687
>doesnt understand ohms law.
>>343602708
post source.
>>343602769
it's in the reddit link above from pcper, tomshardware etc
>>343578574
That just means directx 12 is a meme and no one will develop with it if more than half the userbase will cry at shit optimization and performance.
>>343602708
what you dont understand is if you cant post a reliable source you wont be taken seriously. this isnt reddit.
>>343602895
no its reddit.
>>343602927
I don't give a fuck what you take as reliable or not. All the links you need are in literally here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/?st=iq64chx6&sh=5b385a11
RX480 is a bigger meme than 970 could ever be LMAO
>>343603078
post a source from that reddit then. thats all I'm asking at this point
>>343603078
you wont post a reliable source will you? you just wont do it.
>>343602769
I've studied ohms law, what the fuck do you think that has to do with negative publicity? I dunno what the fuck you think it is, but it doesn't have anything to do with product promotion.
And unless you're extensively learned in computer power circuitry I doubt you're in position to talk about it.
>>343603384
see
>>343603394
>>343603397
reddits a bunch of hopped up retards. fuck you for defending it as a reliable source.
>>343603481
>buttblasted AMD fag
holy shit hahahaha
>>343603481
I never defended them as a reliable source nor have I implied they are a reliable source. I pointed out that this guy on Reddit has compiled all the information related to this incident.
He's not the source, he simply compiled information from multiple sources to 1 place.
>>343603627
literally fucking this
>>343603627
theres too many retards in the world to engage them all in a learned discussion.
see this literally.>>343603703
>>343603384
then you lose cuck
stay forever mad
>>343596127
Only in the sense that gpu manufacturers only really took off in the mid-late 90's compared to much earlier for consoles. There was plenty of shitposting between voodoo and rage fanboys, and when geforce hit the scene it went nuclear for a while.
>>343603796
he even confirmed his retardation
ITT: AMDrones STILL haven't learnt how to read
>>343603921
no there wasnt you dumb faggot.
>>343603921
the internet was much better before you normies showed up.
I really wish AMD could present some kind of competition for both Intel and Nvidia in their respective markets.
But let's be real, every time AMD puts out a new card, you can find some random benchmark that shows it outperforming Nvidia badly.
Then you order one, slap it in your computer, and when you crank that bad boy up, you have to ask yourself why you fucking fell for it again.
>>343580587
>What I'd like to know is why AMD denied allowing benchmarks to be done on Vulkan demos, and specifically restricting them to DX12.
My best guess is because they're focusing almost entirely on dx12 and neglecting vulkan for the most part (they're at least doing something because they dropped drivers for it a couple of months ago). Right now making them the best looking on dx12 is going to be much more beneficial to them in the long run than focusing on vulkan. Simply for the fact that dx12 will undoubtedly have the higher market-share of apis for a long time, if not for its entire lifespan.
>>343604994
>i still dont know what the fuck I'm talking about guy. no really.
>>343605164
source that says they dont allow vulkan benchmarks. its fundamentally flawed as an argument. unless I see a source its just hyperbole.
>>343605164
also how do you deny allowing vulkan as a benchmark. its the fucking internet retard. I'm guessing its just because there is no way to do a vulkan benchmark and people are saying amd doesnt allow it.
>>343604765
Better how? There was console shitposting on usenet forums over nintendo vs sega in fucking '91. Normies always infested this shithole.
>>343604541
There fucking was, there is plenty of proof all over usenet.
>my mobo literally has a specific protection for extra power draw like the 480 does
Wew lads.
>>343605546
>91
ok newfag. we all believe you.
>>343605274
Nigga I don't know I just greentexted that anon to give my thoughts.
my x51 R2 XFX RX 480 8GB
http://imgur.com/BcAZwix
>>343605809
nice thoughts now keep them to yourself.
>>343578574
Firstly, it is Direct 3D, not DirectX.
Secondly, who gives a fuck? No game worth playing will ever be D3D12/Windows 10 only. Vulkan is gonna be a thing, and it's not platform locked.
>>343605743
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topicsearchin/rec.games.video/snes$20cd/rec.games.video/_MzxM8BKx2o
>I'm too much of a faggot to do a simple google
>>343605859
Thanks for your equally valuable contribution.
>>343606103
usenet retention is at most 5 years. what the fuck is this even.
>>343605852
fake and gay just your sex life
GTX 1080 is still the fastest DX12 card.
Even if it doesn't support it natively, it's still faster than AMD's cards and it brute forces its way through.
I'm set for the next four years with this card at 1080p.
>>343606576
if your about performance why didnt you buy 3 480's?
>>343606667
Because I like my motherboard ;)
Just upgraded from a GTX 680 too.
>>343578574
> Fuck that sounds like bad news. DX12 is going to be a major thing in upcoming games too. Should I go AMD?
Depends how often you upgrade. Do you upgrade every year? It doesn't matter then.
With DX12/Vulkan decreasing the overhead, the biggest performance gain is being seen in the lower and middleclass bracket.
You could ask yourself now, does my 3-4 year old 260x, 7870/270x or 7970/280x benefit from DX12? The answer is clearly yes. Will the GTX680, 770, 750ti or the 960 benefit from DX12/Vulkan? No, they won't see a performance boost.
Does a 680 still beat a 7970? No, the gap decreased and AMD was able to outperform Nvidia.
The price / performance battle is won by AMD, but it doesn't matter anything if you upgrade every 1-2 years. Go for Nvidia then.
>>343606768
ghetto fabulous.
>>343579004
Yeah, the people buying the 1060/70/80 are going to get fucked over
nvidia's implemented it all in software, amd has it in hardware
And AMD's new architecture has roughly the same performance as nvidia's now, with async compute it's not even going to be a contest - AMD cards are going to be outperforming nvidia by miles until nvidia can put something new together
It's going to be 2-3 architecture revisions before nvidia catches up
>>343606923
you forgot to aske yourself how current amd cards will benefit from it though. its a nobbie mistake but take this to heart you fucked up buying nvidia in 2016.
>>343606923
Well fuck me, a sensible post in a /v/ thread.
>>343606993
I've been hearing this song for years now, it's always about the future with AMD, and they never deliver.
Don't forget Nvidia has overwhelming majority of the DGPU market, they're gonna keep DX11 around as long as possible.
>>343606576
>yfw Volta will do async computing just fine
I hope you have someone to pass that 1080 to, m8.
>>343606993
I wont go as far as to say they will outperform but they will cost much less and the new stacking tech implemented with dx12 will allow you to stack all cards. there is litarlly no reason not to buy a cheap nvidia card for physx and stack amd for the performance price point. unless of course nvidia disables physx unless you have all nvidia cards which they could do as its thier tech. but lest we forget the driver hack that will allow it no matter what nvida thinks.
>>343607062
ha you stupid.
So what are the chances that Nvidia will fuck up the 1060? If they set the price to 250 or less, they can KO Amd this round.
>>343607423
but why pay more when you could get more performance from amd and you wont be supporting a cancer company like nvidia?
>>343607061
You can't deny the fact that there is a slight improvement over the dx12/vulkan performance with pascal tho. Most likely 1070/1080 users won't care either, the raw power of those alone are enough to handle games for years.
Yet upcoming entry level and 1060 users will probably have to ask themselvesm, why they invest in budget cards without longevity.
Async compute will continue to be a meme that's only in a small number of games, likely AMD sponsored, until Nvidia has full support for it because it's just not worth it for devs to put all that work in for such a small segment of the market. Nvidia dominates in marketshare, and therefore most devs care about optimizing for Nvidia. And async compute isn't easy to implement either, if you lazily implement it then it'll actually reduce performance. Async compute isn't something that's automatically there by virtue of using dx12, devs have to code support for it. So all you can really say is that current gen AMD cards are more future proof.
>>343580627
>AMD will melt your mobo because it doesn't run like it claims,
For starters, the claim was false; basically shilling borne out of a misunderstanding of the pcie spec - it's up to the motherboard manufacturer to decide how much draw is allowed over pcie, not the GPU maker. The motherboard won't allow draw greater than what the motherboard maker allows.
And the pcie spec allows a draw of over 300 watts through pcie; the "problem" cases cited by nvidia shills are power draws of 70-80 watts
nvidiots are scrambling for anything they can throw at the 480 right now. I can only imagine how desperate they're going to be when the 490 comes out.
>>343607423
look at it this way, would you buy from a motherboard manufacturer that only allows a memory type that only works well with certain games? or would you rather not have to think about that. because nvidia is basically trying to create a rift where you only get certain games if you buy their piece of computer hardware. they are overstepping the bounds of a hardware manufacturer by doing so imo. now they havent exacted this plan but they are well on thier way with gameworks games running like shit on amd.
>>343607795
>And the pcie spec allows a draw of over 300 watts through pcie; the "problem" cases cited by nvidia shills are power draws of 70-80 watts
No this specific issue was that the motherboard's 10 and 11 pin on the 12v rail are only rated for 66w with some tolerances up to 9% either way. AMD's 480 was blowing this limit up to 90 watts which over 35% more than the nominal average rating
>>343578574
Nvidia won't come out with relevant hardware until 2018. Dx12 is coming out sooner than the naysayers were guessing. So it's up to you.
>>343607949
if you ramp up the volts to beyond spec. its very situational anon.
>>343607513
Because bitch about game works and stuff all you want, Nvidia pays devs to optimize for Nvidia which means most games will offer a smoother experience on Nvidia. Nobody cares about morality, they just want a good GPU. That combined with better driver support/day one driver optimizations for most AAA games is why people buy Nvidia on the low end.
>>343608058
some people do. millennials dont seem to care much but thats another discussion. gameworks is proven overtessellation garbage.
>everybody hates Microsoft right now
>AMD is butt buddies with Microsoft, to the point of making their next CPUs windows 10 only
>Nvidia supports more open standards like Vulkan and has better Linux support
>yet for some reason, all the people who care about ethics from big corporations support AMD
???
>>343608051
Well generally from what people measured by so many different reviewers is that the 480 is drawing more current than normal spec allows. While your PSU has no problem putting 9.3 amps through a pin that is only rated for 6 amps, your motherboard doesn't usually.
>>343608319
>making their next CPUs windows 10 only
How the fuck does that even work?
>>343608334
again. overvolting the pci will cause heat issues in the metal.
>>343608191
I highly doubt you're not a millennial if you're posting on here. Are we going to pretend that any other generation was different? Do you really believe past generations had better morality when it came to supporting corporations? Because Nvidia pales in comparison to what corporations in the past did...
>>343608410
Yea but you can't normally just "overvolt the PCI" especially at the hardware level where its simply a conductor between your PSU, your 10th and 11th 12v rail pin and the rest of your system.
Its not your physical PCIe slot thats receiving the brunt, its the transfer from the PSU into your motherboard
>>343608319
Nvidias performance gain is limited to their own hardware, Vulkan doesn't magically make it better.
>>343608409
The same as how Intel cpus work. If you have a Skylake, you get no updates to OSs other than win10.
>>343608409
Microsoft won't release security updates for older versions of Windows if you're on a newer CPU.
>>343608484
yes every generation is different. the difference is you just google before you talk. instead of knowing things.
>>343608534
no you usually cant and most motherboards wont allow it. this guy found a cheap one I guess I still havent read the article from REDDIt but I do know this is very situational and normally wouldnt evben be tried unless you were trying to make some ascenine point about amd melting motherboards.
>>343578574
well amd doesnt fucking workl
>>343608696
So you're a self hating millennial. Got it.
>>343608794
I'm old as dirt fagbag.
>>343607879
Uhh, the situation is the opposite. Amd cards work well with only a few games because of Nvidia bullshit. But the point of my post was, if the rumors are true and the 1060 is that good, then they should not price it over the 480. They could win the whole market and end this miserable peniswanking over brands.
>>343607191
stay delusional my friend
>>343607423
They set their price already, it's $250-$300
It also won't outperform the 480 like you're desperately hoping it will.
>>343608871
amd works with all games due to tess optimization and other optimization settings they had to create because of nvidia. nvidia doesnt work like most other hardware companies work. they work to create a rift of technology as every other company in the pc industry works to make the whole computer work well. they are cancer.
>>343608409
It doesn't
>>343608921
Not as delusional as the AMD poor faggots.
Keep on waiting.
>>343609072
keep feeding the cancer then.
>>343609015
false rift*
>>343608409
Here's how it works:
In order for an intel/AMD/qualcomm cpu to be detected and used properly, the operating system has to be able to speak with it.
Microsoft isn't going to update older windows to support new CPU's. They could, but they won't.
They're doing this because they want to lock in as many people into windows 10 as possible before they move it to a yearly subscription model (which was recently leaked).
>>343609325
its also complete bullshit.
>>343609325
Oh, yeah. That certainly won't bite them in the ass in the end
So if I have an nvidia card, should I use dx11 instead of dx12?
I hope they're no nvidianuslickers who believe that toy are supposed to use three gpus in your rig when CF is not even supported properly.
>>343609434
dont believe the trolls.
>>343609325
>They're doing this because they want to lock in as many people into windows 10 as possible before they move it to a yearly subscription model (which was recently leaked).
>tfw Windows will continue to have a near monopoly on the desktop OS market and OS X is literally their only major competitor
>tfw OS X will never be viable for gaming, and neither will Linux
>>343609325
Actually, you still get critical security updates but no GREAT NEW FEATURES updates. Which is great since I don't have to worry about automatic updating. Win/win.
>>343601047
If you're still here, Space Engineers. Ok game, needs work. Been beta for years but worth the price on sale.
>>343609460
No. You'll see roughly equivalent performance between dx11 and dx12 or a slight boost with dx12, where as AMD cards will see a bigger improvement with dx12.
>>343609571
windows won with dos in the 80's, time to move on.
>>343609680
Why would anyone want to pay yearly for an OS that they already paid for? Would you want to be locked out of your computer because you forgot to renew your subscription?
>>343609825
it wont happen smart guy.
>>343606993
>AMD's new architecture has roughly the same performance as nvidia's now
What rock's you smoking? AMD's newest card is barely on the level of a gtx 970. It get's completely BTFO'd by both the 1070/1080.
More than likely the gtx 1060 will be the same performance as the rx 480 and the same price.
>>343608921
The only delusion is believing the promises of superior performance at some point in the future by AMD.
They can't outperform Nvidia at launch, so they make promises that never come true involving tech that wouldn't even be mainstream until the next GPU generation.
AMD always claims to have some "secret weapon" that will suddenly turn the tables.
It never happens.
They are the budget sector.
You guys just need to accept that at this point.
>>343609897
it costs 2/3 less maybe?
>>343609961
amd has never made these promises. why you always lyin?
>>343609974
2/3rds less than what? The 970? I'd say that's only temporarily until both companies have plenty of cards in stock and they are finally being sold at MSRP rather than the premium they all cost right now.
>>343609961
m8 you seriously live in a delusional fantasy world of your own devising
The only thing I regret is not buying stock in Nvidia or AMD a year ago. Both companies stocks have relatively gone way the fuck up.
>>343610121
970 is 600 dollars? damn the about to be btfo.
>>343578574
literally what is this garbage article? AMD shilling at it's worst?
I tried it myself, having played 80 hours of TW:WH and noticed a significant improvement on my 970
all the other benchmarks ive seen also shown improved, not reduced performance...
btw this is a cpu-bottlenecked game for most people
>>343609571
>AMD's newest card is barely on the level of a gtx 970. It get's completely BTFO'd by both the 1070/1080.
It's better than a 970 in the worst cases and performs well beyond that. Also who in their right mind compares a 200$ card with a 1070 (400) and a 1080 (800)?
Soon enough nvidia fanboys will complain that a 200 usd card isn't beating a Titan X and won't bring you hot coffee in bed, while entirely dismissing that their cards completely suck on DX12.
>seriously comparing a 480 with a 1070 or 1080
I knew /v/ knew fuckall about hardware but god damn. It's a value card, meant to offer 1080p 60fps performance in most games at a low price point, not to be some meme flagship card that can't even handle 1440p 120fps or 4K 60fps in proper games.
Honestly I'm still thinking of going over to the nvidia side after 8 years of buying AMD products.
DX12 isn't exactly something I'm looking forward to use, specially because there don't seem to be many games out there that actually support it and Vulkan has entered the match. And I want to support more and more the development of games for other OSes than Windows. I really don't want anything to get stuck with DX12 unless it's some Xbone garbage. The only thing right now that would probably make me mad would be Deus Ex MD working good only on DX12 and I'm sure that ain't happening.
>>343610354
480 has always been touted as the vr card for the masses. thats about the boldest claim they have made these chumps comparing it to cards 3 times their price are cancer.
>>343609897
>barely
It beats stock 970.
You niggas should support Vulkan more than DX12 anyways. You still get to play your games all you want on Windows.
>>343610632
install gentoo.
>>343610559
Claiming it's VR ready is saying it's on par with the 970. Which is.
>>343610632
even linux hates nvidia.
https://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/linus-torvalds-nvidia-linux/
fuck you nvidia. single most worst comapny he's ever dealt with.
>>343610559
Steam VR performance tool gave me 11, so I think it's pretty good.
>>343610763
durp.
>>343610914
did you pay $200?
>>343578574
>Thank you based Phil
>Phil will save PC gaming
>Oh Phil, you're so dreamy
Philshills BTFO
>>343610965
240 because France has VAT and shipping fees but yes, it was by far the most affordable option.
>>343610875
>King of the basement dwelling neckbeards hates Nvidia
Wow, how does Nvidia rustle the jimmies of autistic people so much?
>>343610875
That's an ancient thing. And that's linus torvalds. He doesn't speak on behalf of the entire community.
Hell if something I still rely more on proprietary drivers for nvidia than -any- drivers on the AMD side. I have a 280x and guess what: The moment I use Gnome or KDE, I have to deal with slow animations. It doesn't keep up. A 280x, with fucking desktop animations. And AMDGPU PRO are just about keeping up with proprietary ones? are you fucking with me?
I'm just saying, the issues I had with my AMD cards, my 4770, my 6850 and this one now, I wouldn't get with either intel integrated graphics or at the very fucking least laptop nvidia GPUs.
>>343611206
>not using a tiling wm
Deserved.
>>343611130
when linux hates your guts you might what to consider how you treat your business friends. mark my words nvidia is on the way out. they are the only company in the pc world that has burned every bridge they have come across. you just cant do that no matter what your gpu share is. its time to invest in amd if you ask me.
Nice to know that my Fury X will still be good for a few more years.
>>343611316
OK Raja, you need to see a counselor, your delusions of grandeur are getting out of hand.
>>343611316
Everything you said is fine but
>its time to invest in amd if you ask me.
Don't, they have wayy too much debt.
>>343611206
Intel is more or less the only valid choice for Linux.
>>343611385
intel wont even work with them anymore son. but hey you got gameworks so theres something.
>>343611316
I don't like Nvidia's business tactics but they are not going anywhere. They would have to have such a colossal fuckup to make them lose the massive amount of the market share they own. If things stay like this it seems like AMD will own the DX12 war similar to have Nvidia owned DX11.
Good shitposting thread guys, kept me entertained for a good half hour.
Thanks.
>>343611473
they are a colossal fuckup. just look into their business relations.
>>343611527
What else can we do? It's almost impossible to have a gpu discussion anymore. It's just one massive flame war.
>>343611393
see If I care if you dont make tons of money.
AMD is great and all but I'd rather have drivers on a steady basis and card that wasn't built with 3rd world poverty in mind.
>>343611536
But they still have their customers. People still rush out to buy that premium founders edition. They would have to set a few houses on fire or something to totally fuck them sideways. Bad business relations still get's them sales.
>>343611640
never had a driver problem in my 6 years of owning a 7850. nobody really can tell me what these driver problems are other than they exist believe me.
>>343611586
Well, with all this new shit being revealed, its not surprising people are going to band wagon to justify their purchase.
>>343611735
all 1000 of them amiright ><..
>>343611748
It's just a convenient meme that our Nvidia friends like to bring up. And I own a fucking GTX 570.
>>343611748
Probably play obscure Japanese porn games. I know there have been issues in a few with Amd cards
>>343611586
Other than the blatant AMD shilling?
AMD rushed a new """"""groundbreaking"""""" card that destroyed peoples mobos. Shit like this is damage control.
Boris uses AMD
>>343612025
2500%? I'm calling shenanigans on this graph.
>>343611748
Only thing I can think of is Crossfire but dual gpu's are fucking retarded anyways.
>>343612152
Automated trading does that sometimes.
>>343612152
google finance, and that's the growth compared to the companies started/
>>343612191
its allright amd has gone up 70% in the last couple months. been making a small fortune.
>>343612025
Who cares about the percentages. Look at actual prices of Nvidia and AMD stock over the past year. Both significant gains and steady rising.
>>343612278
when* the companies started
You know how games used to come with "Nvidia - the way it's meant to be played"?
It doesn't mean the products were good, it meant that they paid the devs to promote their cards.
When you see SEGA promoting asynch and similar shit as an AMD exclusive feature, it's the exact same thing. AMD paying a developer to favor one card brand over another.
Only a complete moron would think this is good in any way. It's console war "MUH EXCLUSIVES" tier shit.
People should be free to choose either card they want based on preference, not to be taunted by people who chose the other card because the maker lured them in with promises of higher % numbers that mean nothing in reality.
>>343612498
youre wrong. amd has come out with software that improves multi core cpus's as much as multi core gpu's. its a big difference.
>>343612727
Not really.
>>343612784
yes really.
>>343612727
MUH CORES
You are the equivalent of the people who buy cameras based on megapixels.
>>343612974
that used to be true not anymore senpai. its almost like they have planned it.
>>343613016
That's why skylake is still quad right? Because eight cores are so important.
>>343613191
you'll get it soon.
>>343613016
>not any more
Idiots will always be impressed by big numbers, real/useful or not.
"We expect a 12% increase in graphics over this other leading brand" - "Oh boy fuck me sideways I got to own that, take my $900!"
>>343613252
thats the thing this is attractive to everyone not just viday gamers.
>>343613250
Alright bud. Whatever you say, keep using your bottle necked 3.2ghz 8core.
>new technology has a rough start
gee man stop the presses amirite
>>343612498
It was okay when Nvidia did it for years. Now shut up.
>>343613505
whatever that means.
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