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>Re-imagined enemies, weapons, and locations by original concept artist Robb Waters.
>The user interface, game mechanics, enemies, and puzzles will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities, while maintaining the feel of the original.
> new VO will be recorded.
>Enemy limb dismemberment
>Brand new musical score composed by Jonathan Peros.
NO! They said they wouldn't change anything!
T-they're changing the music, /v/-the music!
Hold me.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock?token=a72debe1
I played the demo. While it's extremely short and barebones, it did capture that System Shock feel.
Color me intrigued.
>>343112931
My fans went absolutely insane when I booted the demo up. I need an upgrade.
But it looks absolutely beautiful, I have to admit. It's a bit too dark, though.
Bumping for interest.
>He honestly wants the game to be a literal copy of System Shock 1 except with better graphics
Are you fucking serious? If anything, the demo didn't change enough. It's area by area the same shit.
>>343114348
Yeah, that's the point.
The game is already perfect. Why change anything besides the UI and the graphics?
The new areas idea will be cool, but a new voice acting team (besides SHODAN) and new music?
C'mon, anon.....
>>343113091
Alien Isolation looks better. This demo only has very tiny rooms with very little things being rendered on screen. The only reason you need to upgrade for this game is because it's poorly optimized.
>>343114746
Maybe because the technical limitations and player expectations have changed? It'll be to the original as XCOM is to X-Com; a good game, but still different to the original.
>>343112669
Your advertising is beyond transparent.
>>343115259
But literally the only problem with the original System Shock is that it's hideously outdated.
The new graphics update and the keeping of mouselook should make it more than adequate to satisfy modern audiences.
I also don't understand people who bitch about the game being released on Xbox One. There's literally nothing about System Shock that couldn't work fine on consoles.
>>343115087
No, the same thing happened with Ryse Son of Rome. I think I'll just have to upgrade my fans and my processor.
>>343112669
>new VO will be recorded.
By Terri Brosius, yeah.
Here's hoping that it comes to PS4
>>343116046
No, she's only returning to voice act SHODAN. But the rest of the audio logs will be recorded by new voice actors.
Terri hasn't had to voice act SHODAN in 17 years. I wonder if it'll still be the same now.
>>343116135
Only the Xbox One is getting it initially, but they said they're open to releasing it on the PS4 too.
>>343114746
>The game is already perfect. Why change anything besides the UI and the graphics?
It's a complete waste of resources. You're wasting time and developers on making a game that already fucking exists.
Over half of the game should be changed. It's ok to have a few callbacks, but if the whole game is just literally the same shit, why the fuck would I want to play that? I already did two decades ago, god damn.
>>343116241
I imagine she's the one that voice acted on their dumb pitch video. Sounds the same to me.
>>343112669
I seriously hope you guy didn't back this yet.
>>343116490
But they're adding new weapons and areas, anon.
It's the voice acting change and the music change that I'm pissed about.
They said they're remixing the original soundtrack as well as the adding a new one. Why the fuck do you need to remix the original's one?
I wasn't even born in 1994, so don't say I'm a nostalgia fag. I just love the game a lot.
>>343116792
This is fucking great
>>343116593
Yeah, I just watched it there.
She sounds good, but I think there's a bit *too much* stuttering. It makes her kind of hard to follow. I'm not complaining, just offering a bit of healthy criticism.
>>343117519
>I'm not complaining
why are you fucking afraid to complain
god, if it's a legit criticism it IS complaining, there's nothing wrong with that, it's what you're SUPPOSED TO DO if you're giving them money to make it better.
>>343116792
I actually like this.
>>343117730
I'm not giving them money. I'd love to, but I don't have it right now.
>>343116792
>not using texture filtering is part of your art direction
I hope this game will fail now
>>343116792
>it's pixelated on purpose
wot now m8? Will the sound have popping and controls be floaty as part of their art direction too?
>>343118491
>>343118324
>SS2fags
>>343112669
I got stuck on a ladder with a repair bot corpse at the bottom of it.
Into the trash.
>>343116792
>maxime lebled
you guys heard of him before? his political beliefs are utterly bonkers
>>343118853
Forcing those ladder animations was a pretty shitty idea.
>>343116792
rip eyes
>>343118907
we don't need to bring politics into every fucking thread
>>343118853
Can't you jump off?
There had better be a goddamn lean function.
If there isn't I'm dropping it.
>>343115087
Alien Isolation was programmed by fucking wizards.
Multiplied crumpled paper from my inventory, game began to stutter, crashed when opening a door. Neat.
>>343116792
so what happens if you force anisothropic filtering? this is retarded.
I am enjoying this pitch video so far.
https://ksr-video.imgix.net/projects/2304682/video-682080-h264_high.mp4
![077085105d5f96a1c0f66b7783ec2ab6_original[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/VpBcVZ9.png "077085105d5f96a1c0f66b7783ec2ab6 original[1]")
Should I do it bros? I don't like the direction it's taking and I feel obligated to take the plunge just so that I can be the autistic voice of authenticity on the forums.
>>343119382
>that Street Shark
>>343119253
There is.Kinda janky at the moment though.
>>343119426
If you give €10'000, you can go to a private party with the developers and have your name on the TriOptimum members board and in the credits.
I think that's pretty cool. Obviously you'd have to have shitloads of money for that.
>>343119838
Access to the dev forums is just 250€. That's should be enough to get my point across to the devs.
>>343119906
>250€
I should go to bed, it's $150
>>343119167
I tried everything. My view got stuck infinitely bobbing and I could do nothing.
>>343120052
This is an actual pre-alpha, not a AAA """"""""""""""""""pre-alpha""""""""""""""""""
>>343120193
this
EA and AAA companies use of the words beta and alpha have twisted what people expect, Black Ops 3's beta isn't what a beta actually is.
>items don't work
>no berserk LSD effect
trash it
>>343119167
No, you are forced to go through the entire ladder climbing animation.
https://youtu.be/v_uJ47oKHY0
This game looks beautiful.
>>343120528
No, it looks like shit.
>>343120528
what the fuck is wrong with the person playing
>polygon
oh.
>>343120617
compared to the original it's breathtaking. Particle effects seem pretty sweet though.
>>343120528
>>343120617
There's a demo available on steam if you want to try it yourself: http://store.steampowered.com/app/482400/
>>343120617
How does it look like shit? What looks bad about it?
>>343120807
He has the worst shot of all time. He missed the mutant at very close range loads of times.
>>343120873
My PC fan can't handle it. I can run it fine, but my fans just aren't able for it. They get really loud. I'll hopefully have it upgraded before it comes out.
>>343120807
>compared to the original it's breathtaking
>>343120903
The melee parts are inexcusable, people should learn to gauge distance but the shooting is actually kind of odd. I shot at one of the mutants heads and their weird animations made the shot go right past them.
>>343121067
are you actually trying to say that the original system shock looks anything other than dog shit
>>343120903
the unfiltered textures
>>343121067
System Shock was released 22 years ago.
Are you insinuating that it doesn't look like total ass by modern day standards?
>>343121201
Yeah I missed 3 times trying to aim at the head and had an identity crisis where I asked myself if a shitstain like me is even any better than Polygon.
Then I aimed at the body and hit every time.
>>343114746
I'm at the part where you have to go to each level and write down the numbers on the screen in some tiny-ass corner I forgot where.
This part's fucking stupid. Nobody will miss it in the remake.
>>343112669
>combat feels bad,swing animation looks bad
>You can't feel the hit
Other than that it's okay. Didn't spooked me much.
>>343122179
There is no way that those misses by the Polygon player were anything other than Parkinson's disease.
He missed so many times at a close range.
>>343122521
It's probably a controller.
>>343122502
Is there a lean function, anon?
I didn't see the Polygon dude use it.
>>343122405
Reminds me of the bit in 2 where you have to go through all the slides in the paintings of the residential sector for a keycode.
>>343120528
>yfw Polygon player finished demo many times to not look like a retard
>>343122564
It's actually a mouse, he's just that bad.
>>343122614
There is.
>>343122614
Yes there is a lean function Q and E on keyboard. It dosen't lean that much.
Why the fuck do mutants look like they take about nine million hits to take down with the Sparq beam in the Polygon video?
In the original a Sparq beam just split a mutant's head open like a balloon in two or three shots.
>>343122765
That's a shame.
In the original, leaning was pretty overexaggerated. Y'know, he leaned like an obtuse angle.
>>343122564
If anything a controller would make it more accurate.
I've always been more accurate in shooters on a controller, at least.
>>343122795
Because he's missing 90% of those shots.
>>343122502
melee looks like dogshit I agree, really liked the Sparq beam
>>343122795
They might be bringing weapon upgrades like from SS2, but also since Polygon has no idea how to play videogames he missed a ton of shots, if you count how many times he actually hits he kills in 3 shots
>>343123040
>I've always been more accurate in shooters on a controller
That's because you're a fucking pleb. Kill yourself.
>>343123473
Fuck off.
I prefer to use a keyboard in general, but controllers are infinitely more comfy for shooters.
>literally crashed 15 minutes in
My GPU's fan is probably fucked. 80°C isn't fine, is it?
>kickstarter backers can pay to be in the game
Not even worth playing desu
I refuse to give money to anyone who does this garbage
I'm ok with everything but the soundtrack, it sounds really out of place and more suited to Amnesia or even Dead Space
The remix track is also just as questionable, sounds like shitty club music
>>343123591
>controllers are infinitely more comfy for shooters
>>343123591
You've grown too accustomed to modern day auto aiming for consoles.
No, you might feel like its better, but your aim is dogshit compared to someone else who can use a mouse on PC.
>>343123597
>Oh no, they reward their backers with cool things
So? What's wrong with that?
If you pay a handsome sum of money like €5'000-€10'000 you absolutely deserve some mention in the game.
>>343123591
>le comfy meme
>>343123730
>>343123748
No, I mean in terms of handling. For anything else I'd rather a keyboard, but for shooting in any game a controller is the preferable option for me.
Same for games like GTA.
>>343123760
Because I don't want to be playing a game and see Fuckface Smackitydoo or his shitty OC Donut Steel self insert pop up because he handed the kickstarter money
>>343116792
>This hack is part of the team
I give up, all my hopes are with Spector now.
Fuck this gay earth
>>343123597
yeah, they get to be dead or killed by you. 20 people also get to make their own shitty death log that Chris will edit to shit after PoE and will probably just end up making fun of the backers through dark humor and irony.
>supports VR
Sounds cool, but VR would probably give me a headache and make me feel sick, so I'll pass on that.
>>343123596
On the other hand, it's Nvidia and Google results say 60° isn't all that bad.
Drives go over 50, though. I don't like this.
>>343124036
>hehe it'll be so ironic le succ
Fuck off
>>343123689
Yeah, it sounds like garbage. Why couldn't they just leave the original's music as is? It might sound a bit outdated, but fuck it.
>>343123907
lulz
My biggest concern is the music... I know they said they'd be doing the original soundtrack as a stretch goal, but are they just remastering it and releasing it, or will it actually be included in the game? The techno-Cyberpunk music in SS was a massive part in defining the atmosphere. I hope they don't forgo that for a generic sci-fi dark ambient track, even if it's done well.
>>343116792
That guy is a fucking idiot. We will end up with transgender robots and a feminazi SHODAN.
>>343123945
Stop complaining, will you?
Christ, it'll be one guy in the game or one enemy type.
>>343124123
did you also miss the part where they said they would edit it and so it doesn't turn into another pillars
>>343124359
I'm not familiar with that guy... who is he?
>>343124396
I don't care, I think it's a fundamentally disgusting choice and I refuse to support it.
I can always just play the original instead anyway instead of needing someone to repaint it and streamline it into a homogenized acceptably modern game.
>>343124351
They're adding their own and remixing the original one. The intro music remix sounds like absolute garbage.
https://soundcloud.com/nightdivestudios/system-shock-soundtrack-zircon-jonathan-peros-ethical-constraints-removed-ss-intro-remix
>>343124464
look up his page on ED
>>343121223
>>343121573
The original has a consistent aesthetic. This one just looks awkward because the level geometry doesn't fit the art style.
Maybe Routine will come out one of these years
>>343123857
what the fuck is with the arm animation?
>>343124991
it's a gorilla
>>343124563
>The intro music remix sounds like absolute garbage.
>https://soundcloud.com/nightdivestudios/system-shock-soundtrack-zircon-jonathan-peros-ethical-constraints-removed-ss-intro-remix
Go back to the your synth heavy Monstercat trash. That remix sounds good.
>>343125124
but gorrilas don't do that same thing when moving backwards or to the side.
>>343125447
moon base scientist gorillas do
>>343115087
>A big budget AAA game looks better than a Kackstarter Indie game
Whoa really?
>>343125216
>that remix sounds good
Yeah, if you're deaf.
>>343124563
I actually don't think it's too bad... sounds like what I would have expected the creators to make if they had access to modern tools. It's also nice that they added the little voices blips, added a lot of great ambience to the music. If they are all done like this, it might not be a failure
>>343125970
Why didn't they just leave it the way it was? It was fine.
>Mutants whisper 'they see you'
Wrong game!
>>343126470
Maybe they have control of their own minds too like hybrids but can't do anything to stop themselves? I don't know.
>>343112669
Do you realize how jarring it would be to have low quality sound from the early 90s in a game with modern graphics? I'd be happy if they include an original audio option like Rise of the Triad but you're fucking retarded if you think most people would be ok with that being the only audio.
>>343125970
>sounds like what I would have expected the creators to make if they had access to modern tool
They did have access to modern tools. Greg LoPiccolo was the leader of the band Tribe, of which Terri Brosius also comes from, and they did several remixes of the actual music from the game for the CD version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6EtVTPiZA This version of the intro was actually used instead of a MIDI track for the intro on the CD version of the original System Shock back in 1994 and it was done in the studio like a track on an album not constrained by DOS.
>>343124579
My god... this is going to be insane
>>343124359
Shodan was originally male anyway.
>>343112669
>The user interface, game mechanics, enemies, and puzzles will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities
Only worrying thing.
>>343126470
Wow, the latest Mirror's Edge looks quite realistic
>>343126370
Maybe they didn't want to feel like copying it? I don't know, seems people who remake this type of shit feel the need to redo everything. Dissapointing, but I'm just happy it didn't turn out worse
>>343126758
That sounds fantastic... it really makes the new one pale a little... maybe someone will mod the original soundtrack into the game at some point? That'd be cool
>no leaning
>no prone
>no stealth at all
>no weapon power settings
>probably a lot more shit got cut
It's sad that people really think that games feel aged if they haven't had all depth sucked out of them.
They use a quote from Warren Spector on the kickstarter page:
"I've long said that if you updated the graphics, sound and UI on System Shock you'd have something that competes directly with any game on the market today."
Unfortunately they don't seem to understand what he's saying and are spitting right in his face by changing the gameplay so drastically.
Demo was great and you're all complaining about a game that won't be released for over a year.
Jesus fucking christ the autism in this thread is unfathomable. I bet most of you weren't even alive when System Shock came out.
>>343127715
But there is leaning and power settings
You didn't even play it did you
>no stealth at all
Did the original even have stealth? I remember it was a pretty blazing run and gun game
>>343127750
OP here.
I certainly wasn't alive when it came out, but I really love the original and don't want to see it fucked with too hard.
Anyone know where the config file for the demo is? I want to see how I can edit it.
>>343127919
>Did the original even have stealth? I remember it was a pretty blazing run and gun game
Yes, but it's rough with basically no feedback to work with like you'd get in a proper stealth game. But leaning around corners, crouching, and lying down do make it harder for enemies to see you and you can pass by when their back is turned.
>>343112669
the only thing i hate about this is
>unity
that being said unity isnt a bad engine.
people just dont know how to use it.
which seems to be the case with the demo too.
this really didnt make a good impression.
not to mention the music is nonexistant its all just ambient noise.
system shocks music was excellent and a huge part of the atmosphere and perception of the world.
>>343129556
I don't think the music even exists yet for this game.
>>343112669
>they're changing things in a remake
Oh man, what a surprise.
You can still play the original, you fucking retard.
>>343124563
that doesnt sound bad.
zircon does some great work.
they could have definitely done worse.
>>343113091
That's cause it runs at like 3000 fps in the opening screen, seriously. You can force v-sync in your video drivers to fix.
why did it have to be fucking unity?
god damn it.
I kinda hate that the remixing for the original OST is at such a high stretch goal, what the fuck man.
I tried rushing through the demo and fell through the floor.
That was interesting.
>>343119358
anisotropic filtering has nothing to do with the actual texture filtering.
>>343117036
>Why the fuck do you need to remix the original's one?
Because the original sounds dated. It being remixed doesn't necessarily mean that they're turning the tracks into dance tracks or anything like remixes are cliche thought of. They're most likely updating dated synths, dated drum machines and what not.
Uhh did I miss something?
Dunno what to do now
>>343119167
I could jump off ladders, I don't know what the fuck the other guys are trying to tell you.
>>343116792
>maxofs2d
well i lost all hope
Never played System Shock before, but I liked the demo a lot. Felt very Bioshock (obviously I know this is its predecessor). Does the Enhanced Edition feel close to this in terms of gameplay or is it too dated?
>remastered game
>Isnt actually the same game. Just based loosely on original
Why is this allowed?
>>343124563
what the fuck this is so bland
its not memorable
>>343122795
You have to remember that you can also adjust the power of the sparq beam, by default when you pick it up it's set to medium, and then there's high, overdrive, and back down to low and then to medium again.
>>343133897
>Does the Enhanced Edition feel close to this in terms of gameplay or is it too dated?
it's the MUCH better game
>>343134006
Because nobody wants to push back against it. Everyone's become complacent.
>>343116792
holy fuck this is going to be great to watch this trainwreck.
>>343135448
But does it play similarly? I liked this demo and do not have nostalgia from playing the original biasing me. If it's different, I'm not interested and will just wait for this remaster.
>>343114746
It was revolutionary when it came out, but even then heavily flawed. Even more so in today's standards. Besides, no matter what they do with the remake, your beloved game will still remain untouched.
>>343136024
It's not very similar, in my opinion, no.
This demo didn't even introduce the multiple ammunition types and all that other stuff.
>>343133564
Is this suppose to be some sort of joke?
Anyone else find the original system shock gives them headaches? Like something todo with the fov or something makes it unbearable to me.
>>343112669
>>343112669
Why would you nostalgia fags keep falling for these shitty crowdfunded remakes or spiritual successor shit ?
Bioshock = Ooooo Spiritual successor to SS
Bodycount = Ooooo Spiritual successor to Black
MN09 = Ooooo Spiritual successor to rockman
Game A release brazillian years ago and it wasn't that good to begin with = Ooooo Spiritual successor
I hope this trend dies soon, we've been recycling the old stuff for the newbabies generation because they never experienced it ?
This is retarded.
>>343133897
>Does the Enhanced Edition feel close to this in terms of gameplay or is it too dated?
It might as well be a completely different game in terms of mechanics.
>>343116792
i like the direction, it looks cool and i like the way the game feels so far, it'll probably be cool
>>343136739
>Rockman
Fuck off, weeb.
>>343136142
>>343136783
That's unfortunate. What about 2?
>>343137032
2 is a completely different game.it's also shit
>>343136840
>weeb
Where i'm from, its called rockman for the last 2 decades.
Megaman is to pander fucking western autists who prefer edgy names like Mega, ultra or edgelordkiller999.
Question:
Is unity supposed to be a shitty engine for students to use or does it actually have potential? I wouldn't know since all unity games I've played are shitly optimized, stuttery, and make my computer scream.
Is it just a case of bad programming or what
>>343112669
>and puzzles will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities
My sides
So more of Infinite's HOW MANY DONGS?
>>343137154
Fuck off, nip.
>>343137154
>Rockman
>he throws rocks
great idea
>>343119256
I know, man. It was optimized as fuck and ran like butter.
>>343137269
Engine limitation and nearly zero partnership with hardware designers.
If say like nvidia or amd dumps a bunch of money for them to toy around it might be gud, else stay pleb.
If the two turk scum from crytek didnt get funded by nvidia, we wouldn't have cryengine today in top tier "can it run crysis".
>>343137269
Well they got the guy who helped make frostbite and said unity will be competing with them graphically by next year.
>>343137130
>System Shock 2 is shit
>>343137394
Again you proved my point. lel.
>>343137269
My guess is that it is a case of bad programming.
Programmer friend of mine once explained me something about Minecraft and how shitty it ran even on modern hardware, which is due to it being programmed in Java and the amount of memory it consumed over time... or something like that.
>>343137302
うるさい
>unity
>the windows movie maker of game engines
Welp, at least I didn't have to wait to be disappointed.
>>343112669
It looks pretty good. I love how they're further fleshing out the John Carpenter future feeling to the game
>>343120528
>misses like eighteen out of twenty shots against that slow moving orange jumpsuit enemy that walks in a straight line
Consoles, not even once.
>>343138162
>ConsolesHe's playing on PC.
>can't half-crouch or go prone
>can't even fucking lean forward
This isn't System Shock
>>343138162
the demo isn't available on consoles
>>343137154
>Where i'm from, its called rockman for the last 2 decades.
Same here. Megaman sounds dumb but I was not too surprised when I heard it because they make things look dumb in the west on purpose.
>>343139017
>leaning forward
>>343137671
what point
all i said is that rockman doesn't even make sense
megaman is a much more ambiguous name that fits more since he can absorb abilities
>>343112669
>modern aesthetics and sensibilities
Can you still adjust the power output on your phaser?
Oh great, a ss reboot thread, can't wait to read all the witty apathetic bitterness ITT
>>343116792
Played the demo, it looks great.
>>343136024
I played the original for the first time a couple of years ago. It plays better.
>>343136705
The player character in the original has a bit of an odd physics model. Your head gets knocked around in subtle but nauseating ways.
>>343139271
Yes. Low, medium, high, overcharge. Damage is 6, 20, 36 and 60 respectively. I forgot the V usage but it's something like 2V, 2V, 8V, 20V?
>>343112669
System Shock fanbase is what? 10k at best? Maybe 50k even played these games?
This is all a good thing. Maybe this time millions will play the game.
>>343139182
Rockman isn't a particularly brilliant name but Megaman outright sounds like a faggot, even if you try to force a "sense" onto it.
It's even more ridiculous when in MML everyone actually calls him Megaman. In DASH they just call him Rock.
>>343126885
She was referred as "she", "he" and "it" in SS1, so she wasgenderfluidbefore it became a mental illness.
>>343133564
Go to sparkly panel on the left and solve a switch puzzle
>>343139089
>>343140801
mein jive brother.
>>343139182
>what point
Nigga u dumb.
Btw is it summer finally there at ur place ? cuz its always summer here that i've grown out of it 15 years ago.
>>343133564
Alsoopen storage with orange led on the door with a keycard that's on corpse in the right room
>>343134006
It's not remastered, they call it a reboot now (which it in fact was from the very beginning)
>>343140419
Original sold 170,000 copies, but I'd reckon most of those people are dead or too jaded to back this kickstarter.
Shock2 fans, on the other hand...
>>343116792
That sounds weird but I'll give it a chance
It sounds to me like 900k will get us a survival horror game and 1.7mil will get us the RPG we actually want.
I hate doing this but this might be a case of "I'll hold off on supporting it until the end" just to see how the game's doing
I really liked the bit in the beginning where you plug a bunch of chips into your implants to get all the hud elements. It was a nice little touch.
>>343136705
yes, i had a few headaches from prolonged play
>>343122635
When the game told me to do that, I just said fuck it and looked up the code.
It's an interesting idea, but who actually wants to go through all that shit?
>will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities
>modern sensibilities
why does this worry me
>maxof2sd
>>343119426
If saying yes means a potentially better final product, then yes, please do it.
>>343116792
But I like the way it looks.
I probably would've backed this if the whole Inafune business didn't happen
>>343141680
See my point wasn't even too far off then. Under 200k played the game yet it's amazing how I even know about it. I bet the fans just over hyped the shit.
It makes complete sense that they would change the game this much. It actually looks fun this time.
>>343142274
Bioshock Infinite.
>remove interactions with characters in world
:simplify plot to black-light grey morality
>cut out wide open battles and sell as dlc
If Levine's name appears any time during this Kickstarter, it's dead.
>>343114746
So what you're saying is you want the developers to be lazy as fuck and make an exact copy of the original but with 3D graphics and then pay extra for it even though it's literally the exact same game?
Fuck off cancer.
>>343142728
So far he hasn't been seen or mentioned once.
>>343118853
lel same exact thing happened to me.
>>343120903
>How does it look like shit? What looks bad about it?
Not made by Nintendo so /v/ hate it.
>>343116792
Eh, I still have hope. What's his actual job on the team? Does he play a big role in it or is he in just a fucking nobody position?
If he's a key part of the development team then fuck that noise.
I want to remind all butthurt purists ITT
1. No one is taking the original game away from you.
2. You will get Citadel, which is a faithful SS1 remake. NightDive CEO gave it his OK as long as author won't try to sell it. You will also probably get it earlier than we get the reboot.
>>343143587
>You will also probably get it earlier than we get the reboot.
Now that it's open sourced, yeah probably.
>>343139089
You want to start shit?
>>343143587
>You will get Citadel, which is a faithful SS1 remake. NightDive CEO gave it his OK as long as author won't try to sell it. You will also probably get it earlier than we get the reboot.
Do you know how many years it's just been a map viewer?
>>343143946
yes, i understand your apathy, but guy makes progress and it's open source as other anon mentioned, i say it has a solid chance to see the light of day in a year or so.
>>343142603
Why let a few bad eggs taint Kickstarter for you?
It's how we got Shovel Knight.
>>343112669
I watched the gameplay, is it true that the mutants aren't stunned on hit?
>>343144231
Yes, it's time to flip tables and scream it's ruined.\
Or just wait until it's released and see if it was addressed.
>>343125447
Woah sorry, didn't know we had the fucking authority on gorrilas over here.
>>343144374
People really are treating this as if it were a demo for a finished game for some reason.
It's more of a proof of concept than anything.
SO
MUCH
BLOOM
>>343144457
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>#steam_welcomemessage_nofriends
What did he mean by this?
>>343144646
in this case that's the sparq, it's not like the normal lighting is that bad
>>343144665
haha hilarious meme my friend, never heard this one before
where did you find it? :)
should i back it? ive never been burned on a kickstarter but it seems like people get burned a lot these days on this kind of stuff
>>343137639
I wouldn't say it's shit but it's got some pretty deep flaws. Most of the weapons are garbage with the only ones worth using being the energy rapier, pistol, shotgun, assault rifle, and grenade launcher. Basically 2/3rds of heavy weapons and energy weapons are utter jokes and the exotic weapons are a complete waste of points.Hacking feels dull and inspired compared to the original System Shock. Research literally boils down to "back track to earlier level, grab necessary chemicals for research, wait). Also the Rickenbacker really fucking sucked.
>>343145224
If you like system shock games than yes, you should back it. I say it because i did too and i need it to be funded.
>>343112669
Wait, did people expect the exact same game? Why would you even want the same game again?
I mean, shit. I wish they'd changed a bunch of shit for Halo Anniversary. Put enemies in different spots, add in weapons, maybe expand the maps and shit. I'd been playing Combat Evolved for a decade when it came out, and it's just a visual update. SPV3 is more along the lines of what they could have done with it.
It's the same for all remakes, though. At least take the chance to do something different with the game if you're going to remake it.
>>343115259
>player expectations have changed?
That's the biggest reason why things shouldn't be touched. Besides, why the fuck would you buy a remake if not to play the actual game.
>>343116338
Neato. Hope it doesn't run like total ass. I can only expect so much on PS4 hardware, but devs have stopped optimizing past the bare minimum on all systems. It gets a little ridiculous.
Actually if anything ruined System Shock 1 and 2 it was going full retard with the initial music
Playing both games with the music off is generally better
>>343145314
>not enjoying backtracking in ss2
I fucking love the game for not sealing doors behind my back as 90% of other fps games do. You can even block the door so the tutorial area on von braun stays accessible after decompression.
>>343145936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbB1HkdNMlg
If you don't think this is the tightest shit, then get out of my face.
>>343145314
The most broken build in the game uses the Crystal Shard though, so I wouldn't say that exotic weapons are completely useless.
>>343146223
It was pretty silly to have that in the game though
It was supposed to be a pretty atmospheric experience, not go into the cargo bays with your new assault rifle and kill everything
I just started playing the Enhanced Edition tonight after finishing the demo for that remake and I don't see what all the nostalgiafags are bitching about. It's really fucking faithful yet improved in every way. This shit is archaic as fuck and the music is retarded. The new game has literally the same level design, same sort of combat and inventory system but smoothed out and with pretty graphics. Literally no problem here.
>>343145510
It's like Tomb Raider: Anniversary vs the original
>>343144665
What did you expect from blizz, dude? They're with actvision, they do everything the cheapest as possible.
>>343113091
I thought when you said "my fans" you meant like a youtube audience or something. Then I realized you meant your case/cpu/gpu fans and I calmed down.
I hate myself for thinking the former though.
>>343146382
I liked how System Shock 2 started with you feeling pathetic and picking up every little scrap you could find, then over time you become almost untouchable. So it fits to have a song like this late into the game.
>>343144793
>nofriends
>help
I have no idea.
>>343120528
It looks like he is playing a bootleg Deus Ex.
At least SS3 is a different team, plus they got Warren Spector in on it.
unzip your wallet, i-insect, i know you want it
>have dual monitors
>game default starts up on my secondary monitor
Turned it off right there. I'm never helping these hack frauds make such subpar games.
>>343147117
I'll unzip more than that for SHODAN.
I haven't played either System Shock games. Are they any good? Do you need to play the first one? They're on sale on Steam for cheap so I was thinking about getting them. Friend really wants me to play System Shock 2 since I like horror and sci fi games.
>>343115259
just player expectations
ss1 was way ahead of it's time and even does some things better than modern games
>>343147143
>urethra implant is not among stretch goals
fucking dropped, i will never support these hack frauds
>>343147432
Never played SS1, but SS2 is a fantastic game and works as a standalone.
>>343147432
Never played either myself, literally started System Shock 1 Enhanced Edition a little bit ago, it's not too bad. Pretty clunky, but not bad once you understand the controls. I have a feeling the second one is a lot better and has aged better though.
>>343147432
>Are they any good?
Yes
>Do you need to play the first one?
No
This is literally the definition of nostalgia googles.
>>343147432
Yes, play both because they are both great.
>>343147498
>no 1000 dollar stretch goal where Warren Spectre comes over to suck your dick
Honestly. It's like they don't want to be funded.
>>343145314
Problem in my opinion with the weapons is the developers try to tailer a huge portion of the weapons towards specific enemies while at the same time there's weapons that are good for basically anything For example:
> Annelid Launcher
> Requires fuck ton of cyber modules
> Requirements: Strength 3, Agility 3, Research 6, Exotic Weapons 6
> Rarest ammo in the game
> Need to gather mats and research it before you can even use it
> Only useful against spiders
vs
> Grenade launcher
> Requirements: 1 heavy weapon
> Plentiful ammo
> Kills basically anything with ease
Or alternatively invest in standard weapons so you can use the assault rifle which has a variety of ammo types for any enemy.
>>343147432
both are good
playing the first one isn't required and most people haven't played it, the only thing you miss out on is some references that tie the story up a little better
overall the first game is better too
You know if I was a time traveler from 2010 I'd be fucking mystified how to-shit this place has gotten in just six years.
Who the fuck decided using peer pressure to trigger SJW bumblefucks from tumblr was a bad idea? Who literally invited Reddit here?
Was it those filthy blasted nigger teenagers from /co/? Was it GG? What was the final nail in /v/'s coffin?
>ending of SS2
the reason I'll never bother with the first
>>343147432
When you play the second one, you have to realize that the character creation process is pretty involved.
Thankfully, there's this pretty handy video guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
>>343148021
m8 this is a system shock thread, go take your metaposting somewhere else
>>343148028
It was amazing, though.
>>343136705
If you're playing Enhanced in widescreen, that's why, it's Vert-
Switch to a 4:3 resulotion and hit '2' on your keyboard to minimize the UI
>>343143587
Still, it's a bit depressing to me that there will be a lot of people who will play this remake and think it accurately represents the original game. To me this is the pic related of video games except people actually treat it seriously.
>>343148128
Game will be shit because MaxOfS2D is involved.
>not playing the better game because of the shitty rushed ending in 2
>>343143587
>making a shitty entry into a series is "taking the series away" and that's why people are mad
Go kill yourself.
>>343147432
You don't need to play the first to understand 2, but it's the better game so there's no reason to skip it.
I wish the game had Red Orchestra style aiming, that would be a cool compromise between bolted to center and the original's total mouse driven shooting/UI
>>343142728
He already confirmed he is not doing anything related to SS3 and pretty sure he has nothing to do with SS kick starter. He was only involved with SS2 in terms of writing.
>>343148583
Not bad I suppose
>>343116792
>"HD" reimagination
>shit 24x24 textures are intentional
okay mate.
Can you switch to old graphics?
>>343147578
Agreed. System Shock 1 is fucking ancient. The music is dated to say the least. The gameplay and controls are as unintuitive as I think any game could ever possibly get because of the fact that it was made without mouse in mind. It just doesn't feel good to play, to look at, or listen to anymore. The one thing it still has going for it is the story. This remaster is a god send because it retains that and even has the same voice actress for SHODAN while making the gameplay into something actually fun and playable due to advancements in technology and game mechanics.
>>343146223
System Shock 2 felt a lot better with no music, hearing a door open nearby and foot steps nearby helped alot with atmosphere.
>>343116792
>maxofs2d
holy shit I almost backed the kickstarter
dodged a fucking bullet
You know I can already smell the smell of shit off this right now. It's going to be packed with liberal agendas and have a netflix-original-series-tier storyline which is intended to be 2deep4u and have a message that places like Kotaku will praise.
Modern liberals are as creatively bankrupt as it comes so it really should be obvious every single game reboot will be like this considering video games are becoming the next comic books. Saw this coming for years but it still hurts to see it finally get here.
Are you guys ready for Timesplitters finally getting a soft reboot and being full of family-appropriate smarmy Disney humor and lectures on sexism? Maybe Cortez will be a full-on black guy and also revealed to be homosexual. He has to go back in time and kill Donald Trump and Nixon and an online troll from redchanit.
Oh god, I can see it now. That's actually stupid enough to be something that sounds real in this time period. It would have been a joke not even three years ago.
>>343149443
Don't engage him
>>343148201
>he says while he judges an entire game from a sub 15 minute demo for a game that is actually an alpha
>>343149443
Oh sorry was I wrong you curd of dogshit?
>>343116792
>>343126948
>>343149013
Just play the original then lad, even then with the unfiltered textures you still get a feel for that old faux-3D era of FPS
>>343148698
it's called free float, insurgency does it too i think.
i prefer if they keep a grab mode of sorts, it was sorta cool how you could pick up a ton of stuff quickly without moving your sight.
>>343149058
it's perfectly fucking playable my god you're a baby
it's not supposed to be a spooky hide and seek simulator, games can have gritty environment without being dead serious all the time, you get to do a lot of combat and cool stuff.
>>343149908
>faux-3D
System Shock has actual 3D models littered throughout the game, some even act as floors and ceilings
>>343116792
The name is familiar, who is this guy?
>>343149897
>It's going to be packed with liberal agendas and have a netflix-original-series-tier storyline which is intended to be 2deep4u and have a message that places like Kotaku will praise.
this is what you said
>>The user interface, game mechanics, enemies, and puzzles will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities
this is what the developers said. Now show me how you are proved right that they are in any way changing the story to you're paranoid fears
>>343149058
With the mouse look mod it honestly plays less clunky than this demo.
>>343149943
No its called Deadzone Aiming
>>343149509
That's literally the purpose of a demo.
>>343150010
Environments are 3D, enemies and weapons are 2D. I know it came after Doom but I was trying to figure out how you would describe the mix of 2D sprites in 3D enviornments,I am not very smart.
just played it
it's cool but nothing at all like the original
it's really trying to play up the horror aspect like 2 did and takes itself very seriously
the texture filter is cool too but should be optional
the hand holding for modern gamers is real
only thing i really hated was the lack of original tunes and that big orchestra thing at the end didn't do it for me
cool but not system shock/10
>>343150346
Maybe if the game was funded and 2 weeks to release, it's labeled as pre-alpha and while I would say it's probably a bit more progressed than that it isn't like CoD's "beta" where it was a finished game essentially, there's a year and a half wait for when they actually expect to release it and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets delayed.
>>343150350
how did you get all that from a 5 minute demo?
there is one audio log that tells you to arm yourself, and like 4 enemies that dont try to scare you at all. How is that taking itself very seriously?
the game explains the controls and thats it, how that hand holding?
>>343149443
defending shitters like maxofs2d
>>343147578
I took a look at 1 and I got to agree with you. That game looks like serious ass. Some areas literally look like a circus. I'm not even fucking kidding.
>>343150736
The code on the wall seemed a bit like these were holding your hand like in Bioshock Infinite where if there was a locked door the code was maybe 5 feet away, but that was probably just to teach the player about codes and shit, though in 2016 if you don't understand a -shock game has locked doors with keycodes then you probably are just retarded
I like Bioshock better
>no ken levine
dropped
>>343151134
>no Ken Levine
Fantastic
>>343150350
>the hand holding for modern gamers is real
what hand holding?
I found it to be quite archaic still
>>343146625
My followers think you're a faggot
>>343151134
>tfw no ken levine
thank you based god
>>343151010
it was the first (and only ) keypad in the demo.
>>343151134
Thank god. He should have never been let near System Shock.
>>343150736
>>343151278
having the code on the wall rather than having the player learn to read the emails
stopping gameplay to explain every little thing to the player
i've played the shit out of system shock and know citadel inside out but i still think it will be a cool game even if it's just kind of borrowing parts of the original
>>343150350
>hand holding
no objective markers
no tips like "hey, try fixing the circuit to access the lift"
no indication that health/energy is low
I am not sure what kind of hand holding you are talking about
>>343151557
>having the code on the wall rather than having the player learn to read the emails
I mean there was no interface for e-mail reading so maybe it just wasn't implemented? The blood on the wall seemed to be insanely low quality, so it kinda leads me to believe that it was just put there for the demo, maybe?
>stopping gameplay to explain every little thing to the player
I don't really see what's wrong with this. They didn't explain anything at all, the only thing you got was basic controls pop ups. Even then I still had to go to the menu to check out the controls.
>>343134140
>blasting mutant scum with a overdrive shot
ZAP MUTHAFUCKA!
>>343151557
>stopping gameplay to explain every little thing to the player
did we play the same game? my demo was never stopped and I had pretty much no explanation for things.
after trying for a minute I still never managed to figure out how to use grenades, or anything other than medkits really
>>343151847
>>343151278
yeah you are the target audience my man
congratulations
>>343151557
>having the code on the wall rather than having the player learn to read the emails
what emails? I didnt get any.
I saw the keypad and figured an email would tell me the code but the nearby computers were all busted, this was before I noticed the code on the wall
>>343112669
Wait, I thought they were doing System Shock 3
>>343152163
no thats a team with warren spector
>>343152013
you're just a jaded delusional retard
kill yourself if you actually think the demo had hand-holding because it told you the basic controls, fucking faggot.
I guess Dark Souls also has hand-holding now.
>>343151134
>Ken Levine on
>walk into the room with the circuit board
>hologram of a pretty girl name LIZ pops up
>"Wait a minute hacker, that blinking! Try to see if you can get the lights to get to the other side! By the way, here's some energy packs and health."
>go up to circuit
>Tutorial pop up explains how boards work and to simply interact with them and your character will automatically complete it
>walk into room with keypad and code on the wall
>"Huh, 451... that's got to mean something right LIZ?"
>"It's probably a code Hacker, many of the stations password protected doors have a 3 digit code, try punching it in on any door you might find."
>door is two feet away
>go up to keypad
>Tutorial pop up explaining that password protected doors require a 3 digit code to open
>close pop up
>Hacker just punches in the code automatically, animation is stock and doesn't even have him press the right numbers
>"You did it Hacker!"
>"Heh, all thanks to you LIZ. We better be on the lookout for anymore 3 Digit Codes."
>"Here's some energy."
>>343147432
They're some of the best games ever made, and I would recommend them to anyone.
>>343152004
every time you pick something up an epic animation plays and ui tips explains what it is and how to use it
grenades batteries and berserk patch didn't seem to work at all or do anything
>>343152163
it's announced but they probably haven't even started on it
i expect it will be a kickstarter deal too
>>343152398
>explaining how to get new items you get
OMG THE HANDHOLDING HOW CAN I PLAY THIS.
wtf are you supposed to do, its not like the demo came with a manual
>>343114746
Wait, if you don't want anything to be changed, then what do you want from this kickstarter? Just play the one that's already out.
It's not going to be funded, so why bother discussing this shit?
System Shock 3 will probably be cancelled straight afterwards.
>>343152398
That was only for the system analyzer, navigation unit, and media reader. You know, vital items that you only get once and didn't look like anything a person would recognize
>>343152773
its 1/3rd of the way there after less than 10 hours
I really dont see a way this can miss the goal
>Brand new musical score composed by Jonathan Peros.
i'll pass
>>343152773
>It's not going to be funded
>Nearly at 300,000 dollars
ok
>>343151062
Say that again, i-i-i-insect.
>SS2 sold under 60,000 copies
Why the fuck is this series even a thing?
>>343148583
I think it's a little busy.
>1.9 million for the original soundtrack to be remixed
>>343114746
/v/ can't be autistic enough to think the music in this game was good. Jesus, it's crazy bus tier awful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17FAFpmNIWA
>>343153282
>I have shit taste, please rape my face
well okay
>>343153249
I'd charge 2 million to remix those shitty MIDI tunes too.
>>343153039
http://steamspy.com/app/238210
And that's just the Steam release. I don't know what you're talking about.
>>343147683
> Grenade launcher
You forgot
>takes 1/4 of your inventory space with grenades that don't stack
>>343136078
>heavily flawed
kys
>>343153282
is this shit for real?
was the first system shock not a somewhat creepy fps with a focus on rpg elements and exploration?
this music is way too upbeat and fast.
based on ss2 and the demo I just played I dont see how it can fit
>>343142696
I want summer to be over.
>>343147432
You only need to play the first one. 2 is a mess in comparison.
>>343153746
The first system shock was pretty far from an RPG. There are no stats, just upgrades to your UI really.
>>343153982
It's always funny to see SS1 fans badmouth 2 for being the more popular one.
>>343153746
SS2's soundtrack is just as upbeat.
It's kind of like a John Carpenter soundtrack. Sounds silly out of context but once you play the game those tunes become inseparable from it.
>>343153746
it's about as horror as Doom.
just because it's dark doesn't mean it's serious but it also doesn't mean it has to be comedic either, goddamn, you and everyone like you are so fucking one track minded it's ridiculous.
this is why creativity is dying, you can't accept that things shouldn't be pidgeon-holed into a standard.
>1.7 million stretch goal
>shit it up by turning it into system shock 2
>>343153746
>was the first system shock not a somewhat creepy fps with a focus on rpg elements and exploration?
no it's basically a dungeon crawler fps hybrid
there are no rpg elements but it's more like metroid where you just find items
there are horror elements but its kind of like doom where being scary isn't quite the focus
all the tunes are pretty groovy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3q356rZqQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkFgV4SY6x0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIUgojwub9U
>>343154235
You sound just like BioShock fans who think the same of SS2 fans.
>>343123591
Third person shooters, sure. But rarely does a first person game work better with controllers. Maybe the ones where shooting is a rarer element.
>>343154235
How popular it is isn't relevant. What's bad about 2 is all the half assed and half implemented mechanics. 1 is a perfect dungeon crawler. It's a smooth experience where everything works properly and it does exactly what it sets out to do. 2 is a jumbled mess of ideas that never got fully realized. It's a fun game, but it can't hold a candle to 1 in any regard.
>>343154645
>Third person shooters, sure
Those are still better with a mouse you faggot.
>>343154357
> you and everyone like you are so fucking one track minded it's ridiculous.
?????
all I said was that it didnt seem like it fits
>>343154764
fucking exactly, why would it not fit?
>>343154817
did you play the demo?
it was very dark and atmospheric.
>>343154750
It's pretty even between kb+m and controllers with those games, dipshit.
>>343154918
on the original game you goldfish
and there's no reason an upbeat track wouldn't go well over the remake provided you remove a lot of the pointless droning sounds and "atmosphere". You should be zipping around instead of crawling slowly.
it's not a survival game, it shouldn't be, it's system shock.
>>343155036
It's really not. Even the ones that are designed exclusively for controllers end up controlling better once they get proper mouse support(see: RE4). A mouse' ability for high speed, high precision aiming isn't really diminished just by moving the camera back a few feet.
just played the demo
casual games ruined me I was completely stumped on the circuit """""puzzle""""" until you can press the buttons
looks good to me
>>343155186
There's hardly a difference. Even then, some tps games work better with controllers where you have characters that can roll around and jump around the place, that always works out better with a controller than a keyboard.
>>343155302
>There's hardly a difference
Yes there is, just as much as in first person.
>Even then, some tps games work better with controllers where you have characters that can roll around and jump around the place, that always works out better with a controller than a keyboard
Quake conclusively proves that "jumping around the place" is best with a mouse and keyboard.
>>343155468
getting a bit off topic but quake is the exception
3d platformers are typically better in 3rd person
>>343155468
Quake is first person, though. Again, things like GTA hardly have much difference between controller and kb+m when the controls are finely tuned. Only reason anyone even noticed a difference way back with the PS2 ones going on PC was because the aiming in every PS2 Rockstar game was crap and kept changing with each title.
>>343114746
this is why I hate all system shock fans
they are all autistic over expired milk
So glad they're giving it a ss2 treatment, stubborn ss1 purist tears in this thread are delicious.
>>343155746
>Quake is first person, though
That's not the point. Once again, moving the camera back a few feet doesn't change that it's the best way to control the game.
>things like GTA hardly have much difference between controller and kb+m when the controls are finely tuned
Those are the worst possible examples. If by "finely tuned" you mean they literally have lock-on so that the player's ability to aim isn't a factor at all, then sure, a mouse won't make much difference. But that's not representative of the genre or the concept of a third person shooter.
>>343155275
it was bad because you couldn't see shit behind the sparks, ss1 had a separate minigame screen with wires. Seems like they decided to go with total immersion and make all game interfaces seamless.
>>343156078
Except there is a difference considering first person means you're in what is basically the "head" of the character, that's a big difference compared to third-person where it's a camera following them.
And the GTAs still somewhat count as you don't have to use auto-aim in many of the later ones, where the aiming is just fine on a controller.
Robb Waters didn't improve much as an artist, looks kinda amateur.
>>343156262
>Except there is a difference considering first person means you're in what is basically the "head" of the character, that's a big difference compared to third-person where it's a camera following them.
Yes, congratulations you've described what a first and third person shooter are. In what way does this change the usefulness of a mouse for aiming?
>And the GTAs still somewhat count as you don't have to use auto-aim in many of the later ones, where the aiming is just fine on a controller.
"Just fine" doesn't mean not better with a mouse.
>>343112669
>Devs made no mention of crowd-sourcing funds after acquiring license and bringing in original dev(s).
>Now demands millions of dollars after stealing community port/mod software.
>>343116792
>MaxofS2D
Dear god this guy threw his career into the toilet with DOTA2. Fucking shame.
>>343156576
It changes quite a lot because of how the guns control and often how they're aimed. TPS games usually just have a reticule that has nothing do with the gun itself and just requires you to aim at the body part you want to shoot, whereas FPS games usually try to be a more "realistic" and have the reticule over the gun, which means you've got to aim more precisely rather than have the gun facing 10 feet to an enemy's left side.
And yes, just fine means it's just as good as a mouse. Seriously, TPS games don't see much improvement compared to FPSs where the precision is much more polish with a mouse.
>>343116792
>https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Maxofs2d
Oh dear
I would have been more willing to back the Kickstarter if the $25 tier game slot wasn't all gone.
I was hoping to get a deal and support them, gah.
>>343139089
They stopped having obscure looking covers on games because they learned that it made their games less likely to get picked up off the shelf. Now with access to information and digital purchasing it doesn't really matter.
>>343156906
>It changes quite a lot because of how the guns control and often how they're aimed. TPS games usually just have a reticule that has nothing do with the gun itself and just requires you to aim at the body part you want to shoot, whereas FPS games usually try to be a more "realistic" and have the reticule over the gun, which means you've got to aim more precisely rather than have the gun facing 10 feet to an enemy's left side.
Those aren't inherent qualities in TPS. That just sounds like terrible game design. Once again I'd use RE4 as an example of a TPS where a mouse and keyboard is significantly better than a controller.
>And yes, just fine means it's just as good as a mouse
You are objectively wrong.
>>343157058
>ED
Do you still get malware from sneezing in the general direction of ED?
>>343149238
I don't have enough (You)'s to give you.
>>343126885
No you dumbass. Play the game again.
>>343157198
Dunno, I haven't had computer aids in a long time
>>343144173
Shovel Knight demanded <$100k and got well over.
However.
They have yet to finish stretch goals and wasted development time on ports and content backers never payed for.
>>343157237
You're wrong. Every reference to Shodan in the original release refer to him by male pronouns.
>>343157157
No, I'm not wrong. But fine, disagree with me. There's hardly any difference when it comes to third person games like Ratchet & Clank, Max Payne, or Gears of War when you use controllers or keyboards. It's not nearly the same thing as first person games like Half-Life or Doom where kb+m certainly shines brighter than a controller.
>>343149238
> Oh noooo the LIBERALS are coming to get/rape me and my vidya :((((((
Are you this much of a pussy in real life too? Hang yourself.
>>343157370
Play the game again.
Learn critical thinking skills.
>>343157514
>"No, you're mistaken! Play the game!"
>Game literally uses male pronouns
Ah, to be delusional.
>>343157514
Take your own advise.
>>343157578
>>343157620
summerfags
>>343157398
>No, I'm not wrong
Yes you are.
The examples you're using for TPS are just shit shooters, or only have shooting as an auxiliary mechanic.
>>343152773
Um... it started today and it's already at 300k.
>>343157721
>Get proven wrong
>"s-s-s-s-s-summerfags!"
Stay wrong, child.
>>343157721
>be completely wrong
>s-sure is summer in here
>>343157938
Except those are game known for being solid TPS, especially the second and third games. Seriously, there isn't any difference, not like the one seen in first-person-shooters. Again, you want to disagree, fine by me. But fuck off with this shit attitude.
>>343158121
Gears of War is the game that ushered in the era of slow as shit, cover based TPS. Using it as a positive example is a joke.
>remastering the worst of the 2 system shock games
le mao
>>343158326
>remastering any of this shit series
>>343158271
Well gee, didn't know we were playing with opinions and favorite examples. Whatever, the difference in controls with TPS games is negligible at best. Not every single fucking thing is magically better with keyboards and mice.
>>343158271
Go fucking kill yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paX6-nzeZgo
>>343158326
So they can make it better
>>343155186
Gears of War had it easier to wallbang using a controller. It was probably the only game where both mouse and pad were close to equal.
>>343158643
>better
no, just closer to what people expect it to be
>>343146625
Holy shit I haven't laughed that hard in a while. I thought the same thing and skimmed through the replies looking for
>my fans
The realization hit me right in the funny bone.
>>343158593
>>343158556
I sometimes forget how old I am. It was nice when /v/ used to shit all over Gears.
Behold the objective post of blinding truth:
ss2>ss1
alpha demo looks great
bioshock2>bioshock1>Infinite
Shodan is my wife
btw go buy Minerva's Den, it's 75% off
>>343159175
If you're trying to imply either of us are kids, you can go fuck yourself with that defeatist sentimentality.
>>343159175
>lel gears is slow shit lel
If that wall bouncing is slow to you you are just a lying sack of shit.
>>343159267
real truth:
ss1>ss2
alpha demo looks like ass
>>343159376
I can already tell you're lying because it's the opposite of truth, but nice try anyway
>>343157465
This is your beloved developer.
>kikestarter
DROPPED
>>343159840
if only he can work on that numale look
>>343159267
ss1 is better than 2 only shitters who only played 2 would make claim otherwise
>>343113091
>absolutely beautiful
it looks pretty bad. effects are nice, but overdone, textures are shit. Runs horrible. Why Unity? They have so many people on board, people with experience in Unreal and even their own engines.
I'm really curious how cyberspace and groves would look in this
>if we reach our stretch goal, we'll add VR
You know how easy is to add VR to a unity game right?
>>343160585
They are capitalizing on uninformed people not knowing.
>>343160585
vr market is a joke at this point, so i see why it currently is not a priority
>>343151134
Ken is a lot like George Lucas. He does his best work when he has flexibility and can work on his vision with a team that also has input and keeps him on a leash. When he has full control though, he shits out the Phantom Menace that is Infinite.
>>343160585
pretty easy
protip the original game had a working VR prototype in back in 1993 as well
>>343161215
It should be noted that Ken Levine had nothing to do with the original System Shock, he only worked on System Shock 2.
>>343161215
ken wasn't even hired till after ss1
>>343161215
Infinite wasn't just his fault. The publisher was literally coming in every other day to say "do this, not that". Levine's only mistake was being allowed to write after apparently watching a beginner's guide on quantum physics.
Shit, Code Lyoko made more fucking sense with time travel.
>>343148583
>>343148813
>>343149762
SSfags should be fucking grateful for this, it's actually staying completely true to the original source material. It's literally the original game with new graphics.
Other franchises weren't so lucky.
>>343161587
Finally somebody with some sense.
>>343160121
Nope. It lacks any kind of RPG elements, which are what I dig. Also, no psi powers. Literally my favorite part of 2, and it doesn't even exist in 1.
>>343161587
>It's literally the original game with new graphics
Only in the sense of the map layout, everything else is changed.
>>343161587
this is also a godsend to someone who hasn't played any of the games at all, I'm sure they'll be polishing up some of the control problems of the early games and some various other shit that made the game age.
>>343161348
>>343161406
It should also be noted that SS2 is the better game.
>>343161772
those things are poorly implemented in 2 and detract from the game
>>343161862
Poorly implemented? Poorly balanced I'll give you, but they work in game just fine. Pretty standard experience point system. Psi powers actually work great, they just had crazy variance in usefulness with some being OP and some being useless, but that's true for the weapons and tech skills too. Things like SEC mod show that the mechanics worked great, but the balance was what needed tuning.
>>343161862
They detract from ss1 game you wanted, but rpg elements are right at home in ss2, they ensure replayability, enhance the gameplay with different flavors
>>343161816
good. it was everything else that was shit
>>343161838
That's an opinion, whether someone considers it good or not varies from person to person.
>>343112669
>Robb Waters
Should they have tried to get more of the original crew on board?
It'd be nice if they did, and went with a "This is what we really wanted to make at the time" pitch.
>>343162478
the original crew is busy making System Shock 3
>>343134006
>hd remaster
>WAAAH WHY IS IT THE SAME GAME
>total remake like the one RE1 got
>WAAAH WHY ISNT IT THE EXACT SAME GAME WITH BETAR GRAPHICS
go fucking kill yourself kid
>>343162478
>"This is what we really wanted to make at the time" pitch.
This is literally what they're going with, can't find the direct quote
>>343161838
objectively wrong
Who would win in a fight, the hacker from SS1, the Soldier from SS2, or the Culter from E.Y.E.?
>>343162037But the Hacker is from SS, Goggles is the protag from 2...
>>343163445
Nice counter-argument, faglord
>the recent exposure of System Shock series will bring forth the decades old war of SS1fags vs SS2fags to the public spotlight
Oh boy, an ancient autism awakens.
>>343163514
Correct. What's your point?
>>343163829
Why would she refer to Goggles as Hacker?
>>343163548
see
>>343154747
For why. If you think 2 is better than 1 you didn't play both.
>>343163821
I know right, I have already tired of it.
>>343164061
K:^)
>>343163821
Now I'm seeing this face of Mars form emerging amongst the waves of the ocean. Clouds are pulled in with the whoosh of inhaled breath. All is silent...then a sonorous REEEEEEEEEEEEEWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE peals across the horizon
>>343163821
Am I the only faggot that loved both of them?
Also, just finished the demo. Pretty cool. Seems like it had the right tone, and I liked the animations of the gun, pipe, and whatnot. Took me a while to figure out how to fuck with the circuit, though. It just didn't look like someone you could interact with in that manner.
Millenials will complain about it because they've never actually played a real pre-alpha version of anything before.
>>343112669
>Pick up demo from gog
>walk through first two rooms
>come across incomplete circuit
>walk in small room
>find circuit board
>pick it up
>go back to incomplete circuit in the previous room
>circuit board is now somehow missing from my inventory
>roll a box out from the previous room jump on it and smash the security camera
>it has nothing in it
>look though my entire inventory again
>grab my stack of soda cans and start clicking off my inventory to drop them
>soda cans never run out and just keep multiplying
>fill entire room with soda cans
>game crashes
Welp, that's that game.
Settings for alpha demo:
%USERPROFILE%\AppData\LocalLow\Nightdive Studios\System Shock\GameSettings.xml
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Nightdive Studios\System Shock
Can someone pastebin GameSettings.xml? Can't run the game on my work toaster, game doesn't create this file.
>>343165234
although never mind, i don't meet the minimum system requirements
>>343164849
Yeah, I ran into that shit with the circuit board too. What gives?
>>343165816
You're supposed to take out the circuits blocking the energy path.
>>343113091
>My fans
Are you in a band?
>>343165883
Oh. Well, thanks friend. Have a bum
>>343165537
You're not missing much, theres like 2 buttons to interact and like 5 enemies. Just watch a gameplay video in youtube.
The only problem i found is that the pipe is a bit too slow compared to SS1, and that security cameras basically reveal themselves, the rest is mostly the same except for a redesigned area in the endAlso no hidden head near the Group 1 Access card, i always liked that
>>343166345
I've already played the demo on my main pc at home, was just trying to fiddle with settings to make it run on shit pc out of pure curiosity
>>343146625
>>343158982
>when you're so conditioned by 4chan "culture" into pre-conditioned kneejerk responses it happens automatically before logical, coherent thought
>>343166143
lol that girl is getting fucked by kanye
>>343153249
guy's gotta eat.
thief 1/2 remake when?
>>343167597
there's no point in remaking perfection, anon
>>343153249
Stretch goals are in general not very exciting:
>1.1 mac and loonix
okay, more platforms is good
>and razer chroma support
literally who cares about gaymen razer keyboard two people have. It would be supported anyway because razer is their sponsor
>1.2 Localization
Who doesn't know English in the current year?
>1.3 New locations and more audio logs
This is good
>1.4 RPG mechanics, crafting/upgrades, vending machines, more puzzles
Wooo, controversy! Don't really care about these but this stretch goal is the only one with real worth.
>1.5 full orchestral score
maximum over-why
>1.7 additional death animations for the player
Kinda cool, but can live without. Certainly doesn't worth to be a stretch goal
>1.9 downloadable ss1 remixes
literally fucking nothing
>>343147683
tfw i actually used the annelid launcher on my first playthrough
i was like "wow surely this weapon must be good"
it was not.
>>343112669
>System Shock is a complete remake of the genre defining classic from 1994 built by a team of industry veterans. Remember Citadel.
>its a re-imaging
why
>>343114746
>>The game is already perfect.
>>343116792
>MaxOfS2D
Oh dear.I still like the way it looks.
>>343116792
sorry, it just looks bad. do you think they would've made everything pixelated back then if they had any other choice?
>>343167597
Literally no point. No dev would put in the work to replicate the sound design, which is much more important to Thief than the visuals. Not to mention the cutscenes would probably be remade in-game, rather than the original style. And you could say hello to a generic orchestral soundtrack. Or, they'd look at the electronic aspect of the originals's and run too far with it, making the whole soundtrack dubstep or some shit.
>>343146625
At first I thought it was the dev posting and he was referring to people who funded it kek
>>343159840
>not getting the joke
>>343172685
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
>>343172657
Do you people seriously think ANYONE with a modicum of success EVER comes to /v/?
>>343112669
It's not like the music is literally the easiest thing to mod out.
I'm more bummed out by the fact that it will be casualised console garbage.
It still looks pretty interesting, and surprisingly oppressing to see the simple room layouts with modern graphics.
It literally says on their page they are doing a complete remake. Learn to read or fuck off.
>M-muh nostalgia
Fuck you faggot
>run around like a crazy person, hitting on different surfaces with the pipe
The sound design is fucking magic. I can only see it getting better during the process. I'm already mesmerized by all scifi noises coming around everywhere.
I don't give a shit, played the demo and the game looks good.
How do I reload the Sparqgun in the demo? I have like 8 batteries but I can't figure it out.
Here we go!
Here we fucking go!
https://youtu.be/wovXwbgb3ZA
>>343175194
You mustn't have been there for the thread where OP was blowing 5k on a pc, which he made weekly by owning a few hot dog stands.
>>343178446
>>343139089
rockman would imply that he only uses rocks...
There is a pattern with the name of the robot being linked to their ability. Rockman sounds stupid as well.
>>343178446
fuck off shill.
>>343178446
>millenia
>>343161215
to be fair, BioShock Infinite was not Levine's fault. It got fucked during production and he was forced to completely re-do the story.
The fact that he defends the piece of shit story he came up with afterwards, that's the problem.
>>343168364
>those fucking threads
>>343113481
This
>>343161587
>it's actually staying completely true to the original source material
actually play the original before you spout more lies.
>>343162063
actually play the original games fag. the level design was absolutely awful and not the reason anyone played at all. level 2 anyone? every hall was just copypasted triangles
>>343162601
>/v/ is one person!
go fuck yourself
>inb4 you go on a rant about how the hivemind is real when this post proves completely polar opinions exist
>>343155105
The more I think about it the more I like the idea of them making it more like the second game in terms of pacing.
>>343119426
Yes, do it, reddit bro! For the epic win! xDD
>>343180681
so boring? why dont you rally for some system shock 2 remakes? it would make more since as it was more fucking popular. stop trying to swerve opinion and work on your shit game
>>343143510
He's just an animator. Nigger has fuck all influence on what direction it goes in.
>>343153746
No, it was Die Hard in space
>>343114746
So we hollywood now?
> Fuck new! Lets just remake, re-release, and remaster forever! AND THEY'LL LOVE US FOR IT
>>343124563
>not wanting more SS2 in your SS1 remake
Come on nigger.
They're probably going to remove any sexy chicks.
>>343163492
Soldier wouldn't stand a chance against either of the other 2
I want to say the Culter but the Hackers level 4 shield is pretty bullshit
>>343181097
It's gonna feature fuckable chicks
>>343181097
Shodan is the only sexy chick, no one is going to remove this
I wonder what the intro is going to look like.
>Kickstarter page has a screen from the main menu of the demo
>It says "Press Spacebar"
>I press spacebar and wonder why nothing happened
>mfw I'm a mouthbreathing retard
>>343112669
>The user interface, game mechanics, enemies, and puzzles will be updated to reflect modern aesthetics and sensibilities
>will reflect modern sensibilities
great, now the user interface and puzzles will be trans-sexual
I never asked for this
>>343124878
>these meaningless buzzwords
nice, I assume you peddle bullshit for a living?
