Zero time Dilema:
Keep spoilers to a minimum and tag accordingly.
why is eric so unlikeable?
Anyone else pre-order the watch edition from Amazon? It hasn't shipped yet or updated the shipping info. I'm scared guys. I want to play so badly
>>342979259Is that the shootout between Q team? I did that and I got perceptive end.
>MGSV was shit
>ZE3 was shit
>Nier 2 will be shit
>BoTW will be shit
WHY IS EVERYTHING GOING SO WRONG. I MUST BE IN A BAD TIMELINE?!?!?!? NO!! MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIMELINE WHERE i STOP PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AND MEET THE LOVE OF MY LIFE BECAUSE THESE GAMES ARE ALL SO SHIT??!?!? FUCK!!!!
>>342980528
Just post your fucking flow chart already.
>>342980396
Because his philosophy is all about happiness and forgiveness, its no wonder /v/ hates him.
>>342980549
>Nier 2 will be shit
You take that back right now Automata looks AMAZING
>>342980549
LET ME BELIEVE THAT NIER 2 WILL BE GOOD
>>342980468
They were damaged in transit apparently. Aksys twitter says game will be sent on time but the watch will arrive few weeks later.
>Shit ending
>Unanswered questions
>Broken promises
>Epilogue is in the files and doesn't even tell what happened to other characters
Bravo, Uchi!
>>342980668
I have everything else unlocked except these.
>>342980853
At least the characters are good. At least the dialog is good. At least the other endings were good...
>Deaf and blind
Complete utter fucking bullshit. This twist makes me so mad compared to everything else in the game because it completely forgoes the rules of the game.
>THE TEAM LEADER WILL MAKE DECISIONS
"Q" is the team leader, how the fuck is he supposed to make decisions if hes deaf AND blind? He can't make anything, he can't speak or hear so the team just leaves him be? I can't believe that. Theres an old man in a wheelchair following you everywhere you go, and you just leave him out of the equation because hes deaf and blind? If hes blind how can he see where hes going? Shouldn't mira and eric show a little more concerned for a handicapped person who would obviously be struggling to get about in these rooms? Did he just sit there the entire time while everyone else did the work?
Yes I know and get that hes the camera view, but its still dumb.
>End of red coin flip
>Whos this kid?
Why does this matter? They all ahd their memories erased, how would they even remember the old man was with them? Why does it matter this kid and a bunch of other people they don't know are there? why zero in on THIS KID?
>>342981049You need to figure out who Zero actually is. >>342979259 is how you find out. If you still haven't solved it after all these hints then you are actually retarded.
>>342980853
I was waiting for the steam version, but now you killed my hype
Does Junpei continue to suffer?
>>342980549
>MGSV was shit
>Got a PC port
>Steamfags praise to high heavens
>Tales of Zestiria was shit
>Got a PC port
>Steamfags praise it as one of the best JRPGs in years
>ZTD is shit
>Got a PC port
>Steamfags will ???
Can't wait for Nier 2 PC port to be announced :^)
>>342981049
Those question marks on the right are where you need to go. Did you get all of the execution scenes? The little crossbones on the far left side of the flowchart.
>>342980819
I saw that, but I'm still worried that they haven't shipped the game yet
>akane praising and flirting with carlos in front of junpei
not like this
>>342981152
>Believing /v/ when they say something is shit instead of forming your own opinions like a big boy
Being Junpei is still suffering in quite a few fragments.
>>342981152
No because junpei suffering is actually the best ending, being the one that leads to VLR
the true "prevent radical 6 ending" is so fucking bland and uninspired it hurts.
>>342981152
Gets married off screen. It's handled well enough. Most complaints are towards the final ending and Zero.
>>342981050
I admit, I enjoyed it but the things I've listed brought the game down for me. The ending was lackluster. While the game did answer some questions, it left others unanswered and even created new ones. Also where the fuck wasKyle and Blick?
>>342981152
No.
>>342981323
That aint flirting brah. Especially when she goes on to brutally murder him 30 minutes later.
>>342981327
Whoa, I was still gonna play it, Just hearing bad opinions does kill my hype a bit
>>342981291
You can always buy the game from a store then return the shipped copy when it arrives. If that's not feasible then you're shit out of luck.
>>342981327
>suffering in quite a few fragmentsBrutal.
>>342981146
I figured as much and I do know the identity, but I can't remember where that question was asked. There's no ! mark anywhere, do I need to return to a previous filled fragment or something?
>>342981274
Yeah, I've got all of them from what I see.
>>342981575
hey! Look on the bright side!we finally found his jacket
Just finished it.I was enjoying the game a lot until it got into the final phase with no more puzzle rooms and just a lot of asspulls and no real payoff. Then it just ended. No extra scenes or anything, just some text files.In particular I hated the transporter. It's the level of asspull that just smells of lazy writing. I mean if you suddenly include alien technology with no explanation and no real setup it's the same level of twist as something like "Akane is a magical girl and can use magic!"Speaking of Akane I basically lost all respect for her. The previous two games treated her like she was really smart and really calculating and even cruel when needed (She fucking organized the second nonary game) yet in ZTD she seems to be overly emotional and retarded multiple times in the story. Doesn't even consider ANY alternatives before jumping to conclusions and waving a chainsaw around? Fucking really?
So all in all I liked the puzzles, I liked the majority of the scenes, I didn't like the explanations and wrap-up.
>>342981712
How many endings do you have?Did you open the Golden Door and play through that?
Do you think the 3 new anagrams have other solutions aswell?
>>342981712
Rightbottom of the flowchart
>>342981337Remember when a lot of us theorized that stopping Rad-6 would have something to do with using FBR to neutralize it? And then FBR showed up a whopping one time in one puzzle room.
Christ fuck Uchi.
>>342981936
>yet in ZTD she seems to be overly emotional and retarded multiple times in the story
Like a real woman.
>>342982076
It was a big red herring.There was nothing really pertaining to make you think that FBR would be some kind of major plot point at all other than an image with zero context.
Full fucking rant coming:
[spoler]This ending SUCKS.
What the hell was the poibnt of Sigma and phi jumping back to prevent this, if Brothers just going to go and "do them a favor" and do it himself? I don't fucking care if its their kid, hes cold and unfeeling and didnt give a shit about them. But the entire ENTIRE point of this game, was for Sigma and Phi to bounce back to 2028 and prevent Radical 6 from escaping. They didn't do that. In the final timeline radical 6 isnt even introduced, its literally only introduced in one timeline, and it doesn't even have any plot heavy points other then mira being a damn bitch. Radical 6 is the conflict, not Sigma's kid, not quantum computers, NOT ALIEN FUCKING TECHNOLOGY.
How the FUCK did Uchi drop the ball this hard? I didnt even buy the game and I feel like I want a refund [/spoiler]
>>342982076
FBR isnt real and just a metaphor for the atomic bomb.
>>342981969I went through the door and I've got the Moon, crossbow, radioactive and twins endings. So I'm missing two. I did just notice that I only have All Teams Survived and Q Executed highlighted on the side of the timeline even though I have all the exections done.
>>342981936I don't even get why Diana and Sigma tried using the transporter. They're Shifters, they could've just jumped to another timeline when Phi died. I feel like the transporter was only created for Phi and Delta because Uchi wrote himself into a corner.
>>342982247
good job
>>342982340Re-do the executions. Get 2 teams to vote for C and then 2 teams to vote for D. I was stuck just like you until I've figured it out.
>>342982350Could Diana shift at that point in time though? I don't think she knew she was a shifter then.
>>342982340
AHhhhhhhh we found the cause. You have to get them all highlighted.You have to go and rig the votes. So switch to execution decision for Q team, vote for C team as Q team, then do the same for D team. Choose C-Team. Then rig it again so you get D team executed.
>>342981128Didn't they only forget about the coin flip? They did know each other from Dcom. Other than that I agree, it's pretty stupid.
>>342982247
So are the whole failed spoiler tags a meme now?
>>342982247
The VLR crew were confused aswell by radical 6. They didnt understand why the world ended in the nonradical 6 endings.
Gibe me story spoiler
>>342981936
i actually liked that akane reacted more to situations. it actually made her seem like a person.
>999 had Mastermind forshadowning on the box art
>VLR had Mastermnd foreshadowing on the box art
Where is it this time?
>>342982465Carlos started shitfting after that one fragment like a fucking madman with no problems. Don't see why Diana couldn't do it either. Especially when Sigma was with her. Didn't they say that the more Shifters are with you the easier it becomes to shift?
>>342982247To be fair there are only 2 endings really, and all of them result in death of the PC, or outbreak of Radical 6.
>>342982679people die
>>342982729But Carlos had been shifting before he ever even came to Dcom.
>>342982709
Do you not see the chain in the bottom left?
>>342982695
If by person you mean a psycho then yes.
>>342982709
I don't have them saved but I wonder how much direct foreshadowing was present in those cryptic Crash_Keys posts during the Participant reveals several months back.
>>342982463
>>342982506
Got it, thanks a lot guys.
>>342982815Oh yeah, forgot about that. I still feel like she could have done it, but they didn't do it because Uchi needed them to fuck each other.
>can't find vita charger on this night of all nights
Fuck. Might have to go 3DS.
>>342982884
What about them? Sorry I use a 3DS so the resolution is bad.
It really felt like Uchi wrote something completely new and disregarded the previous games. Then was like "oh right the previous game needs to make sense" and added in some little bits to connect the games but everything you expected based on the teasing at the end of VLR ended up being fucking nothing.
Fuck.
>>342982975Why does she need to come along anyway?
>>342983286I guess Sigma just didn't want to leave her behind. She even asks Sigma at one time if he's gonna leave her.
>>342983252He half-assed the entire story. That was about it.
How did Diana manage to take18 inches
>>342983512But how the fuck did that happen? It seemed like he really cared about this series and was overjoyed he finally got to make ZE3. Then he's like yeah nah, I'll just make some shit up.Did an Uchi from a timeline where he didn't care about Zero Escape shift in and push the good Uchi out?
>>342983503Well his body stays behind and whatever version of him he sends back, so she wouldn't be alone in any case.
I need help in the healing room. Preferably just hint and not the answerI've taken photo of the key on the sofa, on the b/w wall, on the flower, on the floor glass thing and on the water pillar thing. I also have yet to figure out the "eye amd star" thing and I'm stuck
>>342980549
>ZE3 was shit
I mean sure it wasn't perfect but it was nowhere near bad. The only real sore spot is the whole epilogue file schtick, which is probably due to restricted budget
3rd act has no escape rooms and its just people shifting and using the transporter constantly
Talk about running a gimmick into the ground.
>>342983807
I don't know.I'm really fucking disappointed over the actions and behavior.
>wow thanks so much for showing all this interest in my game series I can't wait to get this created and I hope you all enjoy the new game!
>nearly any theory mentioned within a thread that required more than about 5-10 minutes to create was better than the pile of trash that was ZTD
>>342983252
It was more like he used half of the original script as a base for an unrelated game
>>342983875Candle shadow in forest?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_b1953pTz4
I can't help but tear up every time this played.
Initial thoughts:>At the end of VLR [Q] inhabits kyles body.
>in ZTD the switch is kyle ends up in [Q]'s body
>Figured "sean' was young kyle
>once learned of the Quantum computer, thought [Q] was basically the computer intelligence existing like a manufactured [?] or [Blickwinkle] Third eye entity.
>This would have given Kyle a major role in helping prevent VLR, especially since Q team dealt with Radical 6
>Thought with the way carlos reffered to zero as "I know you, you're-" that Zero was Brother and Carlos was Left (Same rules apply, blonde hair, blue eye]>"Zero" being born in 1904 Germany only solidifies the idea of Left and his later Aryanized clone army of myrmidons
>Figured Zero built [Q] and learned of the future "The Horrible things" he's said to have seen in VLR then caused him to found free the soul.
>Thought Mira going on and on about her inability to experience and understand emotions, she was a clone [Clone law passed year 2010]
>Even with Brother wanting to stop his other self I still figured we as the player would still help him with that, not just end on a cliffhanger in a now open future left to the imagination
>instead we got the shitfest we got.
Really disappointing. What the point in theorizing when all the most logical paths are severed and circumvented with unexplainable bullshit? This series used to be fun.
>>342983875
Use the keys you retrieved from the piano
So about the endingHow the fuck did everyone act like Delta is not even there?In every scene even when it's meant to be "his" perspective nothing really happens and another bullshit part is with that blind and deaf shit and also that some of the perspectives are from SeanAnother shit thing was that MIND HACK and how they made shifters look like comic book heroes with those weird blue animated balls falling on them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAlXSob8JE
Best song
Most disturbing thing you encountered?
i'm looking forward to playing the game, even though everyone's shitting on it. i feel like people are going to warm up to it with time.
>>342983807We already knew what happened at that site (about the radical 6 breakout). Also a lot of people guessed correctly who was the 2nd Zero. Not to mention, people were already saying Phi is the daughter of Sigma and Diana. I think if we knew less it would've been much more enjoyable.
But that still doesn't justify his half-ass writing. Where was Kyle and Blick Winkel? What about Sigma and his family after ZTD ended? What happened to Alice and Clover (Akane said they'd be able to go back in time, not just their consciousness, but their whole bodies)? And what the fuck was up with that open-ending? We don't know if Delta was shot and we don't know who the terrorist is. I wouldn't be surprised if Uchi is expecting much more sales from this for some reason and wishes to write another sequel.
>>342984004
I actually went back and re-read myGrand Unified Theory, and while I got the why's wrong, I got a lot of how's correct, either completely, or half-and-half.
So is it good?
>>342984390
>We don't know if Delta was shot and we don't know who the terrorist is.Its Brother. Recall the pods transfer data, not memory. There are two brothers in two different times raised differently.
>>342984390When I first saw art from the game I thought it's logical to think that Diana and Sigma are in love and Phi is their daughter especially with that Phi quote that she loves both of them
JUNPEI-KUN
JUNPEI-KUN
>>342984356
People had a lot of expectations and expected the game to answer everything, no loose threads. It didn't deliver on all of them, but I thoroughly enjoyed the game regardless.
>>342983954
I think it's mostly how the worst stuff was at the end. It was an alright game but basically me playing:
>Enjoying puzzle rooms
>Cast is pretty cool
>The storytelling method of cutscenes instead of VN textbox feels nice and new for the series
>"Holy shit these fucking scenes man."
>"I can't wait until I get to the mind blowing stuff."
>"Eh, that's kinda cool I guess.
>"This is pretty dumb... I wonder when the VLR tier final segments will happen."
>"Wait that's it?"
People were just retarded and expected shit from the previous games to be relevant. The game is still a solid 8.
>now it's hip to call ZTD shit
CALLED IT
I FUCKING KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN
>>342984356
its Phantom pain all over again.
Good game, good mechanics, absolutely terrible unfinished story.
Only difference is, MGSV is an action game, this is a visual novel. Story kind of matters in this.
Just finished the game. I like it, the puzzles were good and the scenes in general were great, but they dropped the ball hard with the ending. I hope Uchi creates a damn good Q&A because damn, that was a bad ending.
At least I'm happy thatJunpei and Akane got together
>when they spell the game wrong and it goes through your filter
FUCK YOU
>>342984047
Dunno I was wondering if I was ever gonna use that candle since they would only say it smells good. I'll double check.
>>342984162
I tried using them and combining them but nothing happens can you elaborate a bit further?
>>342984743
>called it
Fuck off. An unfinished game will always be shit. theres no justifiable excuse for this.
>>342984743
Good for you.
I like how as soon as it was announced that ZTD used live scenes instead of VN styleanons figured out the camera angle was gonna be some kind of twist and being another character's point of view was a popular opinion. Too bad it was a pretty bad twist.
>>342984743
Every game goes through that phase. Every, single, game, will be called garbage by the /v/ general consensus at one point or another. Its only natural.
>>342984852
>implying it wasnt done on purpose
>>342984852
You could've just ignored this thread then.
>>342984568There is only one Brother from 1908. The 'original' starved in the bunker with the rest of the family
>magic time machine built by ayy lmaos
it was all downhill from there.Why didn't D Team get an epilogue file? Why were the epiilogues just files anyways?
I don't think ZTD is shit
I just find it underwhelming. Like most people said, the story seems half-finished and the ending is unsatisfying.
>>342984990
Sadly ZTD was a shitty conclusion to a good series. It's the same with MGS V.
>>342984901
1. It's barely unfinished. Yes, a lot of the epilogue is relegated to files, but at least it doesn't leave a million fucking plot holes like VLR did
2. It had a tight budget
>Shifting is now a DBZ blue aura power upfucking carlos even let's out a battle cry
>>342985145
the budget was obviously a huge problem. it's a miracle that the game even came out at all.
>>342985069
>Why were the epiilogues just files anyways?
Probably because of budget. Can't answer your 1st question because I have no fucking idea.
>>342985145
>Million plot holes like VLR
What? VLR didnt have any plotholes, did you even see the final scene?
WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN
https://twitter.com/Sycoraxic98/status/745830546379440128
>>342985273
because I don't follow random E-celebs on twitter?
If Delta was born on the test site and transported to Germany in 1908 in one timeline then how did he create the whole decision game in every timeline when he is born with phi in only one?
>>342984356I absolutely refuse to warm up to a series that ignores significant and declared mandatory plot points/characters.
It's like people who think Hyperion Cantos was a good series even though the author became lazy and didn't explain any important plot points while leaving tons of loose ends.
>Hyped game turns out to be shit
Every time.
>>342985189
Fucking hated how it looked. A more subtle approach would have been nice, but I guess that would need better facial animation so they went withBLUE KI AURA FROM THE SKY
>>342985380
rofl xdbootstrap pair of dicks!!!!
>>342984990
But I played them all and I loved 999, loved VLR, have mixed feelings about ZTD with disappointment as the strongest one. It's not like I ever called those other games shit.
>>342985269
You fucking with me? At least half the fucking plot relied on ZE3, which was but a mere dream at that point in time.
>>342985387
chill
>>342985380
Please delete this.
t. Uchikoshi
>game drops the monty hall problem on you
>the only way you'd really know what the answer is is if you're familiar with what the monty hall problem is
well okay
>>342985137
That's a pretty good comparison considering ZTD and MGSV are both good games but kinda shit on anyone who enjoyed the prequels and started the last game with certain justified expectations.
>>342985559
>Relied on ZE3
Which was all explained in the midst of VLR. Nothing is a plothole. if anything ZTD went and contradicted tons of shit that was already established.
>>342985646
Just read the files.
Hey guys I'm having trouble with the order of the specimens in the biolab. The order on the computer screen isn't possible since I can't move the butterfly. Tips?
Aside from the lack of Kyle and Blick there are really no problems with ZTD's continuity from VLR.
And dropping those plot lines didn't even affect the plot in any way.
>>342984482
How disappointed were you, specifically, overall, with the game?
>>342984828
He'll probably ignore important questions likewhat happened to Kyle and Blick, and so on.
>>342985636
>disagree for good reason
>'chill'
Become an hero
>>342985831
>The order on the computer screen isn't possible since I can't move the butterfly.
You don't need to move the butterfly. Check the computer screen again.
>>342984224>How the fuck did everyone act like Delta is not even there?
For them he is a potato, they dont give much fucks about him. They mention him sometimes but the camera angle makes it look like they talk about Gab.
>Another shit thing was that MIND HACK and how they made shifters look like comic book heroes with those weird blue animated balls falling on themits better than nothing
Anyone else feel this is a case of writers ego?
Then the creator knows everything about their series, and to them it makes logical sense, but because of the information they know, they leave out little things because to them, its already explainable?
I feel like uchi jumped the gun and forgot to write it in a way that people other then himself could understand everything. theres too many little instances that have no explanations.
A lot of writers tend to do that, they fall in love with their idea so much, they forget its meant to be for everyone else, not just them.
>>342985831
The capsules make numbers in the item screen. Blur your eyes. The colors are on the computer
Can someone help with this?
I have a lot of questions that unless there's a new game they will never be answeredWho the fuck was Left?
How can Delta live 124 years and be so well?
What kind of eyes Delta have? They were rare as fuck.
What happened to K and ? ?
And Clover and Alice?
>>342981291
The Aksys sales and marketing dude is on Twitter keeping people updated and is apparently trying to get firm confirmation from Amazon about wtf is going on and making sure they do what they're told, but he's said that they have the game in their warehouses so they should ship them out as Aksys has told them to and then follow up in a few weeks with shipping the watches and extra bonus thing when they're done. He said in another tweet that worst case scenario, assuming Amazon doesn't fuck customers over, any delays should only see us getting our games 1-2 days late.
>>342985923
Then what am I missing? The insect icon isn't one away from the last if you look at it from right to left or left to right.
>>342986152
Thanks broski
>loved the first half with all mysteries and character interactions>once the transporter and shifting are introduced it turns into ANIME>doesn't even finish properly you have to enter the game again and read some text files
Disappointment all around
>>342985875
The game was good per se, the flow and intrigue were excellent, all that stuff.
Like someone on dumblr said... once they began explaining things, that's when the magic died.
My dissapointment hit the all-time high the momentDelta Psycho-Mantis'd Eric to shoot everyone in the quantum room.
They actually did it.
TheyCasualized and trivialized the series' finale as a fucking entry point for newcomers to the series by introducing new, hitherto absurd or just laughable aspects, when they had so much else to draw upon.
>>342986041
Deltas brother way back in 1908 who apparently has no signifigance to him now because muh sister
Because AY LMAO technology
also because AY LMAO technology
Dropped in concept completely
doesnt matter
>>342986168
The colors, shapes and numbers in the pills correspond to the tubes.
>>342986168
Check the pills. They're numbers.
does 999 work well on an emulator? i'd like to play that before i play zero time dilemma.
>>342985868
It's not any lack of continuity that is the problem it's the fact thatthings that are made to be very very important in VLR are explained, yes, but then merely tossed aside. The whole OMG YOU MUST STOP RADICAL 6 became a "in one timeline Mira decides to have a little giggle at your expense and it leads to VLR but it doesn't matter in this game at all and you never really work to stop that outcome, it just sort of happens while you are doing other things!"
>>342986041
Left was the son of the family who raised him. Zero is special.
Alice and clover are completly irrelevant
ALL-ICE completely dropped.
WHY. 999 made such a damn big deal about it
VLR had a throwaway red herring for it
ZTD just up and drops the entire thing as if it never happened.
Whats the fucking point uchi?
>>342986407
Shit yeah it does it's a DS game go get yourself desmume or summat.
>>342986319
>>342986370
What pills? All I have are beakers...
how do I do this part
>>342986297
I feel like this is what Uchi is gonna say if he's asked those questions. Either that or just ignore them.
>>342986513
ALL-ICE was a red herring from the beginning.
>>342986513
Not everything needs to be a plot point. I'm actually kinda glad he made All-Ice a red herring because it means he won't need to pull some bullshit excuse out of his ass and transitively sacrifice the quality of other plot points
>>342986569
Very carefully.
>>342986569
Spin the room around and pay attention
>>342986563
Find the pills
>>342986569See the box in the right corner? You have to solve the puzzles and open it. Also you have to make the gear fall into the right way (it is in the h chaped whatever)
>>342986248
Yeah they had decent concepts like discussing important and relevant topics early on, and important information being revealed even during bad ends, as opposed to VLR where everybody was as secretive as possible and you learn virtually nothing of significance until certain specific endings or true route.It really was a total disappointment in nearly every conceivable way. A massive insult and "fuck you" to actual fans of the series who genuinely wanted a conclusion and resolution to the series.
>>342986650
Yeah, okay, I guess, but that only applies if the fact remains that the quality of the other plot points were GOOD, WHICH CLEARLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH.
>>342985380
>>342986041
>>342986513
Please look forward to the 4th game :)
>>342986569
>took me ages to notice the targets on the ceiling cause shit eyes.
>>342986410really thought that Sigma and Phi would be actively trying to stop radical 6 from happeningit's just one outcome in like 8 all because Mira was miffed at PhiThey basically succeed in their mission 90% of the time
>>342986513
We never saw Phi in a swimsuit either.
I'd be happy with Alice and Clover in the game again instead of the shitfest we got.
I can't be the only one that thought thatK was inside of Diana and that's why she pushed the yellow button and why she didn't went with Phi and Sigma after that.
>>342986869
Not to mention the shit resolution.
>>342986942
I thought that Blick Winkel was the one making everyone push the yellow buttons.
Maybe K is inside Gab.
>>342987056
>Maybe K is inside Gab.
Does the game take place in Canada?
The mind hack is such a piece of shit writing holy fuck I'm mad. It basically lets Uchi get away from answering any "why did Delta do thing x?" question because the answer will be "He can read everyone's minds and works towards the end goal of saving humanity!"
Like if you happen to wonder why Brother(Delta) was an antagonist in VLR and why he sent Dio to the moon to fuck things up instead of cooperating with Akane, Sigma and others the answer will be "Lol he can read everyone's minds and is merely pretending to be a villain so AB project works out!"
>>342987056
Speaking of GabWhy the fuck Delta killed him?
>>342986410Zero could've said something like if you escape from here or if a certain number of you die/don't die he'll release radical 6 to the outside world and it would happen in most timelines, except the true ending one. Now you learn that radical 6 doesn't mean shit and that Zero was the good guy all along.
>>342987268
He's a bad guy
About the complaints in on the ending that connects to VLRHow do we know that radical-6 only spread in the one path? We have no reason to think that Delta didn't spread it anyways in the other timelines. He only died in a portion of the timelines anyways. The reason why that timeline was the VLR one is because of the other circumstances that went with it, Sigma lost his arms and his eye and Diana caused that specific outbreak.
>>342987358
>How do we know that radical-6 only spread in the one path?
That's the problem, that we don't know.
>>342987268
We don't know.Maybe to spare him from a death of old age.Why the hell was Gab CHAINED THE FUCK UP in that one bad end?
>Zero is yet again a good guy when considering the big picture
How surprising.
Why were the others so mad at him at the end anyway? Especially hypocritical from Akane and Sigma considering they were also Zero before. Not to mention Akane was once Zero just to save her own fucking life, not humanity.
>>342980335>C Team control room cable puzzle
Why do I get the feeling this is simpler than it looks? Send help
>>342987484
>Why the hell was Gab CHAINED THE FUCK UP in that one bad end?So Sean wouldn't leave the place. Why? Ask Uchi.
>>342986370
This puzzle idea I found really clever. Took me a while to notice but when I did everything just fell into place.
>>342987445
Fair enough, but I just chose to assume that it would. I'm sure the Q&A will include a more definitive answer.
>>342987590
>not spoiling quoted spoilers
Stop.
>>342987358Because that ending is the only one that hammers you in the head that OMG WE KILLED SIX BILLION
Wait a fucking minute:After Phi gets injected with the radical 6 and therefore creates VLR:
Could she not just have shifted to right before she got injected and kicked Mira in the face so that she passes out or something
I guess it would have been too easy.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if ZTD is one of those games that benefits from a second playthrough to pick up on some stuff the player might have missed first time round. Might be a lot hidden between the lines that people aren't picking up on
>>342987540Because he killed Gab in one timeline. Good people don't kill dogs. I would be mad at him too.
>>342987615
I can't wait for:
>That's a secret ^_^
>Please look forward to 4th game
>I'll leave it to your imagination
He'll probably avoid other questions too.
So who had the "Virgin" key?
>>342987737
Fair enough.
>>342987771Mira
>>342987673
meh. It's not much of a spoiler.
>>342987736
Not really, I spent the past three hours re-watching every fragment.
Only thing is Delta's shadow can be seen in some parts of Q team, thats pretty much it.
>>342987771
A lot of the X-Passes were moderate spoilers too.
Goddamn. This whole thing was handled poorly.
>>342987771
Phi. Diana and sigma clearly aren't
>>342987759
If he seriously pulls a "Oh wait there's gonna be a 4th game" thing out then I'm gonna be pretty pissed. Quality over quantity, I'd want a game that is a bigger wrap up that may take a little longer to come out over a game which has a chunk of unanswered questions just for the sake of trying to churn out another game.
>>342987562
Anyone?
>Brother saves the world
Why?
>>342988008You need to find the thing that connects to the sunglasses that isn't the earpiece.
>buying shit
>>342987948>First X-pass I get is Phi - twin
Nice going, Uchi :^)
>>342988056
Oh, then I assume I look at the poster again after i've done that?
Let's see if I got the snail story rightMira killed Eric's mom, then the police arrested Akane's dad and him and Akane's mom died. A doctor picked a taxi that was meant for Akane's dad and the taxi got in a accident. Then, Sean died because the doctor didn't arrive. And also I guess that the old guy in Sean's story was Delta.
Man, fuck Mira.
>>342987948
If you had played the previous 2 games (like myself) then it would have been pretty easy to notice how the xpasses linked to the character traits in some way, shape or form. Twas pretty obvious and drops some rather largish hints about some characters as well.
It's interesting that people are already saying that things will never be explained, or that it will take another game to get answers.
The other games had plenty of things that were open, and that's why they had Q&As for them. There was a lot of important info in those and there's going to be another one for this game too. I can understand being disappointed that some stuff might be explained or shown only in a Q&A but it's not like it's anything new.
>>342988098
Sounds right.But your forgot some details:
Akanes mother commits suicide.
Erics Dad becomes a drinker and strangles Eric's brother chris that eric has to dispose in the lake. His father died because of an illness later.
>finished all possible fragments for C team for now>they start shifting to 4 completely different scenarios already played
holy shit and I thought it was cool in VLR, but this is insane!
>>342988098Mira ruined everything, including the 6 gorillion.
>>342988139
>Expecting Uchi to answer important questions seriously
>>342987948
can you list the x-passes? i'm curious about what they are.
>>342988102
There was one X-pass calledVIRGINwho was it for?
>>342988079
Yeah that was the main one I was thinking of.
>>342988097
Uh I don't remember what it was but I found it pretty quickly. It may have been behind the speaker, or maybe that's where the earpiece was.
>>342988102
Well yeah that's what I meant.
>>342988139But we were told certain things would be explained IN-GAME and certain characters would be present IN-GAME and yet we were lied to.It's grating how people will always ALWAYS play devil's advocate just for the sheer sake of disagreement and causation of argumentation.
>>342988139
I think more people are disappointed that stuff Uchikoshi said would be explained in the 3rd game back in the VLR Q&A actually weren't addressed at all.
>>342988342
Enjoy it while it lasts. Last part of the game is a shitshow.
>>342988382Everything is ruined because of an autistic girl that can't understand emotions.
by the way has anyone saved that old magazine editof phi? the one with red hair!
>>342988429
look above
>>342988485That's not autism. She's sociopathic.Not like I expect most newposters to actually research terms they use or try to educate themselves.
>>342988402
Here's a bunch I took note of. Probably missing some and some might be in the wrong place.FIRE/FIGHT/SHIFT/SAVE/DREAM CRASH/JUNE/SIX/KEY FIVE/JUMP/RING/DOLL/QUARK
EYE/SELF/AGE KILL/VIRGIN/RIP/HEART FOOL/ICE/LAKE/LOVE/POOR
RED/MOON/BIRD/MOM MILK/TIME/FUTURE/TWIN/DEAR BLUE/FATE/DAD/OLD/ARM
>>342981575
jesus how gory does this game get?
Not MK levels right? I just know that the creator though this game would be Z-rated in japan, but it thankfully got a D-rating
Z-rated would mean it had to be held behind counters, couldn't be advertised, and no one under 18 could buy it
BE TESTED BY FIRE
This is officially the month of "Well, it's better than nothing"
so pc version comes out on the 30th?
European price just got announced and I aint buying this, not until a sale at least
fucking SMTIV costs quarter of that price because we got it digital only
How the hell do I use the matches in the power room? This is driving me mad. I started the heater up, the team keeps saying I need to light up the other one now, but it doesn't let me use the matches in my inventory
AM I missing an item or something
>In the end nobody cares Mira is a serial killer even though all the shifters know it, she even killed the D team in one fragment
>She turns herself in in the epilogue files for absolutely no reason
>Nothing happened to her that would change her personality that much, especially considering she's not a shifter and only had second hand knowledge of all the timelines where lots of shit went down
>Despite this she changes so much she even heals her emotional defect and develops real feelings
W H Y?
>>342988098
>>342988382
>>342988485Don't worry. Sean is gonna fix everything as they're gonna use the transporter and stop little Mira from commiting crime :) No, but seriously. He fucking broke Mira out of jail only just to copy her into another timeline. She'll still stay in that timeline and she'll just get into more trouble.
>>342988742
>she even killed the D team in one fragmentShe killed Junpei too, and in a very brutal way.
>>342988723
29th
>>342988653
The camera seems to cut away before anything truly gruesome but the blood levels are through the roof with bodies hitting the floor like flies at a fly spray factory.
how do I get all the execution scenes? I only have Everyone unlocked and C team dead.
>>342988742Eric is such a good lover dude.He is also packing 20 inches
Does anyone have a pic of Delta's shadow showing in the standoff?
>>342988939Does he ever realized that she killed her mother?
>>342988736
help
>>342988925
Vote consecutively for each. For example:
>Vote Q-Team as C-Team
>let scene play out blah blah until it asks you to choose another fragment
>Vote Q-Team as D-Team
>repeat step two
>repeat this with the leftover group
>>342988889
noice
sorry uchikoshi m8, but I'll be pirating this one
>>342989074
His love is too strong for her. He doesn't care about his mother.
>>342989089
If it let you use it for one, it should for the other. Make sure you have power going to that other side of the room.
>>342989074Maybe. Maybe he doesn't care, maybe he just can't resist them jiggle tits. If anything it depends if Sean told him and we can't know if he did.
How are the puzzles? Do we get anything on par with Room Q in VLR or the penultimate room in 999 where you basically boss-rush through modified puzzles?
>>342988736
>>342989089Place the tin and mold you find in the other heater. This will allow you to then light it up with the matches.
>>342988736
Turn the power on then switch it so you can open all of the glass containers. you get tin and aluminum and you put the two in the second heater and light the fire
What if K was simply a spare body for future Sigma to go back to?
What if Blick Winkel was simply an after thought to VLR, and was just dropped like useless plot point he was like All-Ice?
>>342988742
Eric and Mira feel clumsy in general,especially Eric, who doesn't seem to play into anything in the big picture and is basically just around to point deadly weapons at people to create tension, while otherwise just being a slightly tragic, though largely unimportant, wiener.
>>342989074I think it's implied, it might not be, but he forgives her in the end. This drives her to turn herself in and begin to try and change herself. They eventually marry as a result.
>>342989074
He literally forgives her even when she kills him. I don't think he cares compared to how much he's obsessed with her.
>>342989242
We suredo not
>>342988925
From one of the older threads
Save this and share it around if someone else asks the same question.
>>342989291
Eric is in the game just for the memes.
>>342989289
That would be shitty writing.
>>342989289
>What if Blick Winkel was simply an after thought to VLR, and was just dropped like useless plot point he was like All-Ice?
I still say BW was never meant to be anything more than a cheeky way of saying you need to play the third game to find out what happens.
>>342989469
Then Gab really is Kyle.
>>342989289
All-ice was never implied to be a drastically important component to the game's story and plot.
>>342989523
I think that too.
>>342989289
Radical 6 was also supposed to be a big deal that must be stopped at all costs in the end of VLR.The 6 billion only happens by chance because of a series of retarded and delayed decisions made by the cast.
>Up to alien hyroglyphs puzzle.
Oh gawd
>>342989598
Neither was [?], who was just mentioned in the epilogue and might as well have never existed because of how irrelevant he was to VLR and now ZTD.
>>342988653
I don't know how the fuck it got a D considering it hasdismemberment which is a big no-no in Japan if you want a sub-Z.
>>342989598
>Gets talked about in 999
>Shows up at the end of 999
>A woman who looks exactly like her shows up in VLR
>lol, they're not related and she's just a minor character
Fuck you, Uchi.
So I have finished everything you can do first with the C and the D teams, but jeez>Q teams execution scenes talk about a murderer
>The killer specifically tore the heart out
>Mira was the one who brought up the subject
>Passwords for Mira when she dies: Heart, Rip, Kill
GEE, I WONDER
I bet the interactions of the Q team are going to be a riot.
>>342989693Radical-6 happened because Mira wanted shit and giggles. She really just exist to ruin things.
>Delta is sent back to 1908 Germany
>Had a blonde eyed blue haired brother named Left
>Worked in German engineering for a couple decades
>Would later go on to Defy god, create a religious cult and then create "perfect humans" based on his blonde haired blue eyed brother Left
>Creates an entire race legion of aryan clones to replace humanity
>Somehow the good guy
>>342984441
Nice, anything like the spaghetti in a lake of blood metaphor in 999?
Does Sigma get his hands and eye cut off as prophesied in VLR?
>>342989835>Passwords for Mira when she dies: Heart, Rip, Kill
X-passes should've been something different. They just spoil everything.
Oh man I just realized.
>all those 10/10s by reviewers
>exhaustively ties up the plot
We were rused hard.
>>342989753
But that's wrong. Blick Winkel was supposed to be an essential component and practically the sole factor toward fixing the events at Dcom into a proper happy end for humanity. Not that I expect you to agree or anything.After all, gotta argue and disagree about everything while on 4chan!
>>342989789
Goddammit I spend the entire play of ZTD so fucking pumped forBlick to appear, only to have my fucking soul crushed.
>>342989950
Yes and yes. It doesn't look impressive because of the graphics, but the game is pretty brutal.
>>342989324fuck
>>342989970
They are also unnecessary as the doors could just unlock once six people died.
>>342989781
Probably gonna get censored in some way over there
>>342990060
>But that's wrong. Blick Winkel was supposed to be an essential component and practically the sole factor toward fixing the events at Dcom into a proper happy end for humanity.
Yeah, but that was only a way to say "please buy the third game", not part of the plot.
BW was just an afterthought, if he was relevant we would've seen hints about it during VLR, but it was relegated to something outside the story.
Kyle I can't explain, he must've been in ZTD.
>>342990060
>Blick Winkel was supposed to be an essential component and practically the sole factor toward fixing the events at Dcom into a proper happy end for humanityIf you played and finished the game, then BW did exactly that.
>>342990123
>Sigma's armsweren't actually cut off but blown up
I can't imagine how much worse it would be if this game actually looked good.
>>342981936
Don't forget thatakane and junpei don't even consider shifting until Carlos does it all because of uchi's idea to make it accessible to new players
>>342989693>arm the bomb>OH WAIT NO>MY ARMS MY EYE>ok let me hold this dying murderer and confess that i blew all of her team, surely this won't bite me in the ass>NO I CANT LEAVE YOU BECAUSE MUH FEELINGS
This was so backwards
Phi is___________________very cute____________________
>>342990060
>Blick Winkel was supposed to be an essential component and practically the sole factor toward fixing the events at Dcom into a proper happy end for humanity
And he did.
That's why Carlos, Diana and Q can't explain why they're pressing the yellow buttons, it's because you're influencing this.
You're also observing the results, turning probability into reality.
BW is not some kind of character, YOU are BW.
>>342990298
>>342990648
You didn't do shit, as they explained everything withDelta's 'mind hack'instead of(You)/BW being an entity in the game's world.
Where the fuck is it amazon? This should have shipped by now.
>>342990648
>it's because you're influencing this.Wasn't that just Delta's mind hack bullshit causing them to do it?
>>342990648That was Delta mind hacking pls pay attention
>>342990718
No they didn't.That's not even possible in the timelines where Q-team was executed.
>>342990648
>BW is not some kind of character, YOU are BW.
Pretty much this. Just having a scene where BW talked to characters in VLR gave people the wrong impression. It's not ZTD's fault honestly, it's VLR's.
>>342990298
>>342990648No, your perspective in ZTD is through Delta, be it in person or a security feed. Essentially, what >>342990718 said. Blick Winkel was not present within ZTD in any way, shape, or form, no matter how many times you repeat this.
>>342990857
Don't assume, anon. I played ever17 years before I ever touched VLR.
>>342990875That doesn't work when there's a timeline where Delta died after the vote.
>>342990875Delta is dead in the histories where Q-team loses the vote though, so that doesn't work.
>>342990995
>2 new posts
Security feed anon, Security feed.
He explicity states it in the C timeline when hes already dead and they have to shift out.
>>342990846
Because at this point there were no such choices. Only thevoteyellow buttonhad character's not knowing why they did it.
>>342990995
>>342991007But Delta's motives are complex and his end-goal was to get you all to 'escape' and chase the terrorist. Plus he mentioned timelines where he was dead and alive.
>>342990718
You're not an entity in the game's world, you're an observer.
BW (that is you, the player) is there to observe the game reach it's desired conclusion.
This is easily explained in Akane's talk about the Anthropic principle. The "true" timeline only exists because there is an entity observing it, in this case BW, otherwise, whatever happened inside the shelter is simply a case of Schrodinger's cat.
It's not hard to understand, BW IS in the game and he IS important.
Kyle is the only dropped plot point from VLR, that and how R-6 was supposed to be dangerous even though ZTD fails to make that clear.
Hey wait I just realized,shouldn't there be a version of phi that jumps back to the vlr timeline after everything's done? When does that happen?
How do I discover who is zero?I'm on the decision game where Eric killed Carlos and he asked who is zero to Q. I tried brother since I saw C-team ending that leads to VLR but it didn't triggered anything.
>>342987771
>>342987948
>>342988640
I wrote mine a bit more clearly, separated into C/Q/D played segments.---X-CODES---
-D-
CARLOS:FIRE/SHIFT
AKANE :CRASH/SIX
JUNPEI:FIVE/RING
Q :EYE/AGE
MIRA :KILL/HEART
ERIC :FOOL/ICE/LOVE(?)
DIANA :
SIGMA :/DAD
PHI :FUTURE/TIME(?)
-C-
CARLOS:HERO/SAVE
AKANE :(HEX/HER?)
JUNPEI:JUMP/HATE/DOLL
Q :EYE/SELF
MIRA :KILL/RIP
ERIC :FOOL/LAKE
DIANA :MOON/BIRD/BLUE
PHI :TWIN/RED
SIGMA :FATE/OLD/MILK
-Q-
CARLOS:DREAM/FIGHT/FIRE
AKANE :KEY/CRASH/JUNE
JUNPEI:QUARK/JUMP/FIVE
Q :
MIRA :VIRGIN
ERIC :POOR
DIANA :MOM/BLUE
PHI :DEAR/RED
SIGMA :ARM/MILK
What the fuck Uchi. I was meant to believe that ZTD was more of a direct follow up to VLR. But this isn't that. Preventing radical 6 is in fact really easy. Guess "red" in the first 10 minutes, and close the game because you just prevented radical 6
>>342990846In the timelines where the Q team is executed, he never influences the outcome, he only does if he survives
>>342991193Get D Ending 2 .
What am I supposed to do with the liquid analyzer in the biolab? It's the only thing left i can input into and I have no idea.
>>342991259
Isn't that kind of the point though?
How a small snail (in this case a simple coin toss) can affect so many lives?
>>342991190
It happens in the final scene of the game. She refuses to tell the player what happened in the DCOM facility because it would change the past.
It is basically VLR stuff but when did you realize thatAll characters in 999, VLR and ZTD are basically just termites while you as the higher being observer can see the bigger picture?
>>342990721
Keep up bro. Watches got fucked up in transit, they're delayed. Aksys is attempting to get Amazon to split the game and watch shipments so people can play the game this week and wait the month for the replacement watches.
>>342991184
Well, I had hoped he would go full Ever17 instead It seemed possible at the the end of VLR. BW was clearly not only an observer as youforce shifted Kyle to 2028
Carlos goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH while his blue shifter aura explodes
What the fuck am i watching anymore.
>>342991259
Good job not understanding.
>Red is the good outcome
No. Red is the outcome where all nine live blissfully unaware theres a terrorist about to nuke 8 billion people
Blue is the game which either leads to 6 billion nuked to prevent said terrorist, or 0 lives at the best outcome.
Red is a dead end for everyone
>>342991738
Okay. I'll admit, I stopped coming to these threads about a few weeks ago when I started seeing all the fake leaks, assuming one was eventually real. Well that sucks about the watches though.
>>342991586
Can't Sigma, Phi and especially Akane see the bigger picture too though, in that case?
>>342991363That's kinda the point isn't it? If Delta isn't influencing anything, then it has to be the player. Interestingly enough, the timeline where Delta dies is the timeline in which he is born and thus the one he needed to create. And that only occurs due to the player's choices, not Delta's.
>>342991816
He's about to go even further beyond...
>>342991259
Yes,but it turns out that Radical-6 is a lesser evil compared to what happens if Rad-6 doesn't get released. The entire point of the game was to prevent a timeline from REQUIRING a Radical-6 outbreak to sacrifice 6,000,000 so that mankind's remnants could survive.
>>342991816
carlos is the anime protagonist we never needed
>>342991504
>>342991528
>>342991259I think the whole purpose of the game was dumb, is the only way to motivate people to stop a terrorist is to make them play a game where they die countless times in many different timelines just to finally meet the bad guy and hear him say "I'm actually the good guy, you can go save the world now"
Even if the end game was shit, they are still pretty good scenesThe ambidex game and C-Team shifting adventures, Akane going batshit insane with the chainsaw, Phi's death in the incinerator, the whole part of Diana and Sigma trapped forever, the moment when Diana, Sigma and Phi realize they're family and they just hug each other, Junpei giving Akane the ring and more.
Too bad they dropped the ball at the end, because the game had the potential to be the best of the trilogy.
>>342991928
No, they are termites, only acting because that is what they are programmed to do. Literally.
Only we, the player, can see everything.
>>342991816Anime. What's that, the not blatantly anime art style fooled you into thinking it wouldn't have anime writing / visual effects? What were you thinking?
>>342991886
You should probably leave again, though.
>>342991847
A bit easier to understand is if you apply the following.The coin toss segment, Coincide, is in a quantum superposition. There's a 50/50 chance it will be either Red, or Blue.If it is Blue, the game is played.If it is Red, the game is not played, and nobody remembers anything.If it is Red, the game is not played, but people remember everything.Red2 is only accessible by getting both Red and Blue at least once.
>>342992094
I'd understand if it was for the motives mentioned, though."Oh yeah, mom, dad, you two need to bang and make me and Phi, or this shit all gets fucked. Also, terrorist plot, but you guys would never believe me if I just said that outright. Also, team building I guess?
>>342991801
Yeah, but Kyle is totally dropped from the game's plot.
I think VLR's epilogue was simply to introduce the concept of an outside entity (you) influencing the game's world (by observing it), it wasn't intended to be some big hint about BW being a character in ZTD.
It's reusing E17's twist in a different way.
>>342992012
Yet the real evil this "project: make everyone determined!" was designed to prevent was just some faceless offscreen guy. Feels hard to get pumped.
>beat the game
>think is great, but not as good as the others, still content
>read these threads and all the things I missed
>now fairly disappointed
I can't tell if this place is good for me or not
I like everything except brother being the hero.
Sigma and junpei and the actual good guys should have found a way to reach this conclusion on their own, not be led by brother and then told everything will be alright
Its a kick in the damn teeth and makes everything you spent time doing feel pointless.
>the entire scheme of the game is as effective as an tip to the fbi saying "a terrorist is going to kill a lot of people soon"no leads, no clues, just a word of an insane old man
>>342988723
>European price just got announced
Did it? What about UK?
Any tips for the greek letter puzzle in the nuclear room?
>>342992612
All of the letter are upright in the final solution.
>>342992612
You don't need to rotate anything. Everything fits as is.
Playing this game was like throwing a basketball from the other side of the court and then watching it bounce on the rim but then havung it not quite go in.
>>342992127
Yes but story wise, Phi, Sigma and Akane also see nearly everything we do, the only difference being we know it's a video game and they don't.
>>342992612
The same way as any other puzzle similar to this one, start with the two biggest pieces.
Or just watch >>342992709
Official ranking: VLR>999>ZTD
>>342992748
That doesn't really describe it.
It's like going through the tryouts, the semifinal, and then the game winning point in overtime in the final, THAT happens.
>>342992227
>I think VLR's epilogue was simply to introduce the concept of an outside entity (you) influencing the game's world (by observing it)
I get that. But it's basically a convoluted way of saying "you won't know until you play the game" which isn't the kind of meta aspect I want in a Zero Escape game. It says nothing new and they don't do shit with it. Thebottom screenandflowchartwere so much more interesting as part of the game.
>>342992910
True official ranking
First 2/3 of ZTD > 999 > VLR > A timline where ZTD doesn't exist > The end of ZTD
>>342992127
>Only we, the player, can see everythingAre we ignoring that the SHIFTers have memories of all timelines and the nonSHIFTers had the events of all timelines explained to them by the SHIFTers?
>>342992227
But Akane told Blick that he was going to go back in time because he needed to help Phi and Sigma, and that Blick being there would be the only way to find out what happened during the events of Dcom. Plus the only other appearance by Blick involved him being a major character in the events of ever17.
There was no reason to not expect him to show up in ZTD beyond simple contrarianism and disagreement.
>>342992487
Being disappointed about dropped and ignored plot points is perfectly rational, anon.What about them lion motifs, eh?
>>342992748
Playing the game was like pic related.
>>342992690
>>342992695
>>342992709
>>342992809
Thanks anons, I immediately started rotating like I did with the previous puzzle
So... porn where?
Was there even any reason forDelta to be Brother other than to conveniently "kill off" the pre-established villain? I don't think it would have affected the story in any way if he was Zero and Delta but not Brother. People would just be wondering what happened to the whole Brother character but now we instead wonder what the point of them being the same person was.
The problem isnt the face Kyle, bW and otherd didnt show up
its the fact 4 years ago Uchi PROMISED us it was something we'd seen in ZTD
I don't know about those of you who jumped to the series recently, but we've eben waiting 4 years for this conclusion, and then the conclusion does everything but. Sure its a good game, but thsoe questions still remain just as unanswered as they were back then.
Its depressing and frustrating. I was so hyped to finally get those answers just to get nothing answered, and now even more questions piled up.
My sanity cant take a ZE4 uchi. And I plain don't want it.
>>342992995
>It says nothing new and they don't do shit with it.
I don't think it was meant to do any of that. It was just a last-minute addition to the game to tease a sequel. Like it was more of an afterthought really. That's actually why there's no voice acting at all in the scene in Japanese.
![tumblr_inline_mlt0m7S2xu1qz4rgp[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ybYWjXv.png "tumblr inline mlt0m7S2xu1qz4rgp[1]")
>>342992757
Even in their universe they can't see that stuff that Team Q did for example. That was what old Sigma wanted to tell us, they are just like TERMITES.
If he knew about [?] it is no suprise he was so obsessed with them.
>>342993203Since they dropped the Left thing, no, there wasn't any reason
>>342993113
I want somemira and sean /ss/ending in tentacle rape
>>342993054
I can get behind that.
>>342993203
Gotta wrap up everything TURNS OUT THE BAD GUY IS ALL OF THE BAD GUYSbut not really bad
>>342993113
I hope someone doesSigma and his 18 inches giving Diana the D in the pod.
>>342993065>>Only we, the player, can see everything
>Are we ignoring that the SHIFTers have memories of all timelines and the nonSHIFTers had the events of all timelines explained to them by the SHIFTers?
They get told, we see.
Why did old man sigma not act like Old Man sigma? Why did Akane show up at the Mars Test site in the first place? Why did Akane look different?
>>342992438I am still kind of thinking that there are two Brother's running around, sorta like how Phi is strongly implied to have raised another atomic copy of herself, and that there is a younger crazier Delta running Free the Soul.
Delta and Phi are siblingsDelta is BrotherDid they actually retconned Left? for what the fuck reason
>>342993303
And that's why I'm rather disappointed having played Ever17 and reading all the fan theories. Could have been great, but alas it isn't and I'm now kinda sour they included it.
>no voice acting at all in the scene in JapaneseBut it's your inner voice that reads those lines:_:
>>342993590
I mean how different is a 60 year old in a 20 year old body going to act? Did you expect him to complain about his back and call everyone whippersnappers?
10 months
>Sigma and diana do it once, get pregnant in two weeks and then give birth in exactly 9 months without incubation period.
Does uchi even know how babies work? Theres no way 10 months was enough time for pregnancy AND development.
>>342993659There is only one Brother/Delta, anon.
>>342993586
>>342993065Also Shifters can't access stuff in which a version of themselves were not present, they need to get told about it, while we can just see everything.
>>342993812
That doesnt make sense
>A religious fanatic terrorist who kills 8 billion
Thats the VLR brother. he wants to replace humanity with clones.
So im not reading any post since I don't have the game yet but I just want to know one thing.
Is the game good? Did Uchikoshi deliver?
>>342993730
At least call someone "son" or rant about young people, give me SOMETHING.
Even Diana mentions he talks weird, but fuck if i can tell.
>>342994001
>is the game good
The first two thirds yes
>Did uchi deliver
Not a single thing. and retconned everything that had meaning. Left, Rad-6 etc.
>>342994001
Its the MGSV of video games
WHERE THE FUCK WAS KYLE
>>342994001
The whole thread is people saying what a shitty conclusion it was. So, no. The first part of the game was great but then it drops the ball.
>>342994001
Uchi fucked us all
Even with the upcoming Q&A, he fucked us gud
I'm confusedSo there was 4 persons in Q team the whole time: Eric, Mira,the one we thought it was Q who is Sean, and "Q" who is Delta. So in every room there was an old guy in a wheelchair and every time they're talking to Q, they're talking with him?
>>342994001
The game is pretty good most of the time.
>>342992995
>I get that. But it's basically a convoluted way of saying "you won't know until you play the game" which isn't the kind of meta aspect I want in a Zero Escape game.
But it's more than that, it's not as meta as 999's twist (and obviously not near as meta as the Infinity series) as it doesn't play with player's interpretation of the story, but it is quite an interesting take on quantum mechanics.
>The bottom screen and flowchart were so much more interesting as part of the game.
I agree with this, to be honest ZTD is underwhelming, but a lot of the criticism in these threads (like BW not being a character or not understanding the relevance of Radical 6) come from misunderstanding the story.
>>342994001
>Is the game good? Did Uchikoshi deliver?
Let me put it this way.
It starts as a 9/10 and ends as a 4/10.
>>342994001
It depends on what you expected, and if you're okay with some things being dropped.
>>342993981
It makes perfect sense.OriginalDelta starved in the Dcom facility with OriginalPhi, Sigma, and Diana. CopyDelta was sent back in time and lived an absurdly long time because reasons.
VLR Brother was the one who released radical-6.
![Zero-Escape-Vol.-2_-Virtues-Last-Reward-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/12umSJ0.jpg "Zero-Escape-Vol.-2 -Virtues-Last-Reward-2[1]")
>>342993590
>Why did Akane look different?
All of them looked more or less different. A change in artstyle/design. There was a big change from 999 to VLR and a smaller change but still a change from VLR to ZTD
UCHI RELEASE 999 AND VLR ON STEAM ALREADY I WANT TO REPLAY YOUR GOOD GAMES
guys how do i do the number/driver puzzle in the pod room?
>Brother is literally a Nazi
>Makes him the good guy
WHY?
Can we all agree that Pepsiman is Uchikoshi's best work?
>>342994391
he dindu nuffin!
>>342994391
Because Nazis weren't the bad guys.Polite sage for responding to likely antagonism.
>>342991886
All good, I'm popping in once every few days myself. Just keep an eye on the Aksys twitter for updates on the limited editions if you want to steer clear of spoilers.
>>342994196
Yes.
>>342993730
Well considering the change was enough to have the characters go "He's not really Sigma anymore... he's Doctor Kleim / Zero." regarding him at the end of VLR I feel like he changed a good deal but seems like same old Sigma to me. More rash and excitable than you'd expect an old man to be.
>>342994409
WHAT. WHAT.
Um... Ok wow that's certainly something
>>342994409
>Uchikoshi
Huh he was a scenario writer for an anime
>Yūta Iridatsu lives at the Korai House apartment complex with four girls: Mikatan Narugino, Ito Hikiotani, Meika Daihatsu, and Rabura Chichibu. One day, following a busjacking incident, Yūta finds himself ejected from his own body and becoming a spirit. Guided by the cat spirit Chiranosuke, Yūta must learn to master his spirit powers in order to protect his housemates from the various circumstances they find themselves in. However, if Yūta sees a girl's panties twice in a row, the Earth will be destroyed by a meteor.
>>342993065
>But Akane told Blick that he was going to go back in time because he needed to help Phi and Sigma, and that Blick being there would be the only way to find out what happened during the events of Dcom.
And it IS the only way, after all, without us playing the game there is no outside observer of what's happening inside the shelter.
>Plus the only other appearance by Blick involved him being a major character in the events of ever17.
I have played E17, but not everyone has. Even if you want to use this as an excuse to say that both games should've worked the same, Blick was never mentioned in VLR, instead we're presented as [?].
>There was no reason to not expect him to show up in ZTD beyond simple contrarianism and disagreement.
Or maybe people have different expectations and can simply accept other takes on the concept?
>>342994636
>only now knowing about punch lineI don't blame you
>>342994387
never mind i got it
For me the worst part isAlien technology. I can deal with the transporter thing, but I don't get why it had to be aliens. You think that something like aliens would be important but no, they just shrug and keep moving.
>>342994470
>some historians have speculated that, if WWII never happened, the USA and USSR may have gotten a bit too trigger happy with their nukes.
WELP
>>342994636
Punchline was okay. I watched most of it high and enjoyed it.
>>342994675
>instead we're presented as [?]
Who was confirmed to bewait for itBlick Winkel.
How do i know what to do when I've done all the flow chart i can
>>342980335Needing some help in the Biolag. I only have green and pink solutions but I haven't found a clue regarding the colored lock on the cabinet and the clue found after using the UV light on the door cover only mention orange, blue, and white. Any tips?
I really wish I could get through one of these puzzles without asking for help.
>>342994198
>(like BW not being a character or not understanding the relevance of Radical 6) come from misunderstanding the story
I think it's not much misunderstanding the story but more like hearing a great setup for a joke and the punchline being a fart. Yes I get that you wanted to do but the payoff is rather bland. Feels underwhelmingeven though I enjoyed much of it
>>342994995
If you have already done all you can, there's nothing more you can do, is there?
>>342994913Which means that we are the big observer and all people in the game universe act like they are programmed to do like termites. They are the termites, that is way Old Sigma told us about them. Can't atleast one person agree with me, please anon-kun, going by your reply you must think so too
>>342995004Use the machine to separate the solutions and then watch the colors you get in the microscope. With that, you should be able to open the colored lock.
>Finished CIA
>Game comes out tomorrow
Man. I want to pick it up but $40 for this ending doesn't seem justifiable. should I just put it towards MHG?
>>342995330
It is not like there is going to be a zero escape 4 so.
What is your weapon?
>>342994913
Which literally means perspective in german.
I can understand expecting it to be an actual character after playing E17, but I think that feeling betrayed (or even worse, saying that BW isn't in the game), when it's simply a different use of the concept, comes from an essential misunderstanding about the story and our role in it as observers.
I can understand complaining about the retcons or Kyle, as those are legit writing issues, but the concept of BW was well used.
Blick-Winkel from hitbox here.
Just finished the game. People still interested in the stream in two weeks?
>>342995226It wont give me the option to place the colors into the machine and looking into the microscope only produces "Shit's blurry, senpai." Am I missing an item or something?
>Worried about lack of humor
>/v/ reassures me
>Play the game
>There is some but not much
They are trying to stop you, the player, from killing 8 billion people. You are the religious terrorist who is trying to start a nuclear war.
Would youpress the button for a happy virtual life, after playing ZTD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7x2qG8O_0c
>>342995530
Yeah, do it.
I don't get one thing. When everybodydiethere's pool of blood and shit. But when something happen to Q, he's clean as new. Because what? Hurt durr he's a child? That's kinda stupid in game like this.
>>342980335
have you faggots had the game for like three days already?
and is it worth it to wait til wednesday and get the steam version or should i get the 3ds version tomorrow?
>>342995594I have a 50:50 chance of getting fucked. But hell yes I would.
>>342995634
I can answer to that if you don't mind spoilers.
>Answered Q in theWho killed Miira?lock.
>Eric said it was impossible.
Cheeky.
>>342995596
Okay
>>342995594
That shit sounds like something from a gameboy color zelda
>>342995661
Steam. 3DS is a low res piece of shit.
>>342995415
Glaive SnS and LBG
>>342995759
Oh snap
>>342995701
Spoiler? Nigga, don't tell me he's a...
>>342995661
The 3DS versions has big problems, I wrote them several times already.
The resolution is fucking ass (and that plays a role in some of the puzzles) and the creators seemed to have completely missed the point of a dual screen setup. While in VLR you could make memos and look that up when inputting something, it is completely gone here, just like making notes of the log or something. It is literally only 1 screen to work and one for cinematics.
The easiest target for blame would be the PC port, as they did a good job with VLR although that also came out for the Vita, so I have no clue how they could fuck this up.
>>342995634
For realsies spoilers'Q' is a robot and does no bleed, at least not like a human does.
>>342995430
But the story would have been the same without your idea of BW because ofDelta. It's not like nothing can happen in this world without some outsider watching.
Or am I missing the point you're trying to make?
>>342995075
That's a fair explanation I guess.
The game did feel underwhelming to me but that's because I had crazy expectations and theories, I did think the use of BW was clever enough though, but that's only because I like quantum mechanics and I wasn't expecting the same "BW as a character" twist.
I miss Kyle, he was my favorite VLR character.
After playing the game reading all this shit sure is depressing. http://zeroescape.wikia.com/wiki/BrotherAt least the mind hack thing everyone hated was already established. Forgot about that.
>>342995759
That was good. Hell, the whole game is filled with great moments. Why Uchi, why did you fucked up in the end, why?
>>342995430
I know what blickwinkel means.
I see no misunderstanding. The concept of Blick Winkel was not even explained in VLR to the degree that he was in ever17. Plus Kyle could not jump to 2028 unless he used Blick's own body.
There was absolutely no reason at all whatsoever for Blick Winkel to be present in VLR if he was going to be ignored in ZTD.
God dammit I want to like it, but theayy lmaopart just really killed it for me.
>>342996268
>Blicks own body
Blick doesnt have a body, thats the point. its the third eye that freely moves between the time stream, it has no manifestation or form
>>342996106
Schrödinger's cat.
Just like the quality of the game.
If you did not play the game yet the quality has infinite possibilities. That is ruined the moment you start playing it.The feeling of disappointment will never go away.
These remixes are top tier, holy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIc0LXOxhA
>>342996059
I never had a problem with the resolution. I read that some people had and played the entire game and it never came up. Even the famed SW was because the S was on a differently angled surface that was close to the color of the actual letter, NOT because of the resolution at all, it was very well visible in terms of resolution.
>>342996279
I had hoped that would be some kind of joke and explained in detail laterespecially with the symbols they usedbut no.
Is this the Westaboo Danganronpaul?
>>342996162
What are you trying to say? I hope you don't try to say, what I think you are trying to say.ayyyy
>>342996384
Yes, I agree. Ask Akane, not me.
>>342996593
No. Danganronpa is more Japanese than this. The japs hate the Zero Escape games
>>342996106
True, but I'm just saying that was Uchi's take on the BW concept this time, as an observer of the true timeline instead of an actual character. BW is redundant considering Delta, but that's besides the point I'm making here.
>>342995559
Someone?
>>342996593
It's the MGSV of adventure games
>>342996234
>http://zeroescape.wikia.com/wiki/Brother
Early life
Brother was born into a poor family sometime in the 20th century. Since Brother was already "so old that he can't get out of bed in 2028", this probably means he was born around the 1930s, 1940s or 1950s.
Very little is known about his background, but supposedly, he didn't know his father and he lost his mother at a young age. The only family he had was his younger brother named Left.
>, but supposedly, he didn't know his father and he lost his mother at a young age
>he didn't know his father
Hello contradiction!
>>342996162
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>342996593
I never played this series and I assumed so as well.
>>342996705
Aww shit.
>>342996739
supposedly retard
>>342996730Centrifuge. You also have to put the cover of the centrifuge into a microwave or something
What is the door to truth password
>>342996593
No but it fell into the same trap that DR games do; a last act that fucks everything up.
>>342995759>Try to shoot Q in the standoff
>Game tells me to write Q's name
>Write Sean
>Game says you can't kill yourself
>"Uh okay, why was the first line about asking for his actual name even in the game then if it's not an option?"
At last I truly see.
>>342996730
Remove the top from the machine
>>342996861
day of birth of phi and delta
>>342996739
>this probably means he was born around the 1930s, 1940s or 1950sYet it was 1908, right? Something around there.
What a fucking joke.
>>342996863
The twins' birthday.
>>342996867
Seems you've had a change in perspective.
>>342996586
I really also wished it was just a setting created by zero.
>>342996861
Play "The stranded two" or something.
>>342996268
But there was a reason, to introduce players who didn't play Ever17 to the concept of an outside observer. Plus a teaser about the third game.
He wasn't ignored because he's literally you observing the game.
His possessing of Kyle's body is probably just so he could interact with Akane, while Kyle could've jumped into some other body/spare, because BW doesn't have a physical body (and then Uchi forgot about Kyle).
>>342996725
>Uchi's take on the BW concept this time
Well I agree that that's possible. Any hints for this in ZTD?
>enter six X-passes
>ERROR
>ERROR
>ERROR
>ERROR
>ERROR
>ERROR
>>342996852
>>342996908I've already done that, but it won't let me put anything in it. Eric just keeps repeating that he doesn't know how to use it
>reading threads since day 1 leak and watch less and less enthusiasm as more people finish the game
Heartbreaking
>>342997184
You did make sure to enter 6 at once before pressing Check, right?
>>342997184
Yeah what the fuck was up with that
>>342997229
Find the instructions
Does it go live at midnight for the EU people?
>>342997141
But I wouldn't choose to posses Kyle's body, so it couldn't be me. And if I was forced to posses Kyle's body, I wouldn't have said everything that ? said
>>342997292
Wait what
>>342997229The instructions are on the shelf if I remember correctly, bad resolution strikes again.
So here's my idea for what Blick Winkel's role was in this game.The key to this is the history where Q-Team is executed and thus Delta is killed early on. Therefore, in this timeline, all choices are made by the player AKA Blick Winkel.
In this timeline, the decision games are as followed: The antidote is?, Gun vs Incinerator, Gift from Gab, AB Game, The Three Dice, Find the Mask, and Transporter.
And I'd argue that AB Game, The Three Dice, Gun vs Incinerator and Transporter are the most important decisions in the game.
AB Game and The Three Dice are necessary for the C-Team's involvement in the overall scheme. Carlos has to play the AB multiple times in order to realize his potential as a SHIFTer. This then leads to all of C-Team SHIFTing to other histories. It eventually ends with Akane and Junpei arriving in the VLR timeline, where they must live out the events of the previous game. But more importantly, the knowledge of SHIFTing, particularly for Carlos, passed from this timeline to another through the morphogenetic field is essential in the true ending.
The other important Decision Game is Gun vs. Incinerator. The choice that matters the most is the one in which Phi is burned and Diana acquires her brooch. This then leads to Sigma and Diana finding the transporter and they must decide to use it. The exported versions find their way to the Door to Truth. This leads to the revelation of Zero's true identity.
The most important part, however, is about the Sigma and Diana who remain after using the transporter. This is the timeline where Delta and Phi are born. This is also the specific timeline Delta absolutely needed to exist, but his older self was not alive to influence it.
In this way, Blick Winkel is the one who created Delta and thus sets up events for the entire Zero Escape series.
>>342996268
You're wrong. They absolutely needed Kyle switch places with the person who played VLR. This way, the person who played VLR has no idea what happened in ZTD because Kyle's consciousness jumps into your body when you start playing ZTD. The big reveal is that you are in fact the bad guy who Zero & Co. are trying to stop and they can't let you know about their plans. As Akane says in the final scene of VLR, ? is free to travel through time and space, he isn't stuck in the moon base in 2074. That is to say, he is free to stop playing VLR and go on with his life. But the consciousness that played ZTD wasn't yours, it was Kyle's.
>>342997184
>Enter x-passes from other timelines
>Nothing happens
>>342997347
Are you trying to be cheeky m8?
>>342997298
>>342997414
Fucking hell, I see it but I can't click on it. Buying the PC version day 1
>>342997341
It's up, at least on the PSN.
I was pretty fucking sure we were supposed to beGab.He was there for all the important stuff, and when Delta shot him I was sure he did so, so that we couldn't interfere.
Guess not.
>>342997298
top lel I noticed this too. I got around the error popup by cycling through the numbers instead of hitting OK after each word.
>>342997347
>I wouldn't choose to posses Kyle's body
>I wouldn't have said everything that ? said
You could argue that you did by continuing to play the game.
>>342997408
There's letter buttons at the top of the touch screen for the 6 input boxes, labelled A to F.
You're supposed to input one for A, change to B, input one for B, etc.
Then, press check. If you got an error, it's because some boxes were left blank or it was the wrong X-Pass.
I can't see why so many people didn't notice this.
Never realized he actually changed quite a bit in terms of how he likes to wear his face. Old Sigma in young body has a constantly wrinkled brow and glassy stare.
>When Brother was 26, he created Free the Soul to teach humanity the truth and show humanity the way to salvation. Free the Soul eventually amassed over 1,000,000 followers.
>26
>in 1934 Brother amassed 1 million followers
>in Germany 1934
>GERMANY 1934
So Brother was actually Hitler and started the third Reich in this history, right?
>>342997006
There's a lock on it
>>342997472
Is this how people will headcanon Kyle into ZTD? Haah Waaw
>>342997681
vlr sigma's hair looks like a cockatoo
Actual D team spoilers, so don't read
Is there a way toMake it so the gun doesn't fireafter the incineration room puzzle?
>>342997719
Oh fuck.
>>342997764
Try to get all bad ends, did you get to the part whereEricasksQwho killed Mira?Leave it blank
>>342997880
Rng
>>342997149
Not really, every interpretation we have about BW comes from the VLR epilogue.
While I think my theory (about BW being you, the player, and your role being observing the true timeline making the multiple timelines collapse into a single one) fits perfectly with the quantum mechanics inspired plot, the truth is I think VLR's epilogue was simply an afterthought made to tease you about the third game, and we shouldn't take it seriously.
>>342997850
Just play it again.
>>342997850Get lucky. Some people needed 20 minute or so.
>>342997492
This is explained
>>342997850
50/50, keep trying
Why did Delta kill the dog?
>>342997719
Well,he was transported to Germany in 1908... soit is possible. Damn.
>>342997921
What a shame.
>>342998037
Cause fuck dogs
>>342998037He is south korean and it is part of their culture. Spoiler that shit next time.
>>342998037
So it wouldn't be hypocritical that Akane and Sigma for example were upset with him.
Rate 999,VLR,ZTD / 10
999: 9/10
VLR: 8.5/10
ZTD: First 66%: 8/10 | Last 33%: 6/10
>>342980549
At least those games are better thanMightyNo9
>>342996268
>>342995430
>>342994913
yeah so I'm just clicking a few random links here in a discussionBW = ? = You = Morphogenetic Field = God = BW
All just different approaches to the same concept, no more different than the same deity being explained in a similiar yet somewhat different form in between religions and mythos.
If... I had to pick ONE likely candidate, though, given everything we learned in ZTD?The Quantum Computer, and, by extension, Sean.
It is the closest similarity we have, and it fits the bill.
>>342998090
1908 + 26 = 1934
August 19th 1934 was the beginning of WW2
Brother amassed 1 million followers
All of which came to fall under his views
His later self creates an army of aryan clones to replace humanity based on his brother Left.
He is an alternate hitler in this timeline. Meaning this is a timeline where the Nazi regime never happened, but instead Free the soul of Y did.
Can anyone help me,with that one chair puzzle for q team for j0503 with the 3 shift 7 down figures?
I dont know what im fucking up
>>342998406
I didn't even solve that puzzle. Just combined the key and got outta there
The pacing was pretty bad with howyou do a billion puzzles in a row when you first start playing and then the last like third of the game is just cutscenes with no puzzle rooms. They should have added a final room at the end or something.
>>342998406
You don't need that, but just add 7 to the three parts.
Let's inhibit the virus!
>>342998336
>his brother Left
WELP
can someone upload a picture or video of thejunpei and akane proposal scene?
>>342998090
>>342998336
>1908He was sent back to 1904.
>>342998406Shift 7 means +7.C 12 10
I didnt get it either.
>>342998326
I agree with BW (which is ?) being you, the player.
But BW can't be the morphogenetic field because there are other entities that can access it, and throwing God into the equation feels cheap and unwarranted.
I also doubt BW is supposed to be a character in the game.
>>342998529
I'd have liked this game ending a lot more with another Q Room. Too fucking bad Uchi is a senile hack.
Well I finished it. Damn, I'm depressed. I loved the game as a whole and will be buying it after it goes on Steam but that ending was just an awful note to end the series on.
So many unanswered questions, which I frankly saw coming and was prepared to forgive but there was also the additional sin of relegating the fucking epilogues two a 50 word summary of each team after the game just felt like a giant punch to the throat of anyone who cared about these characters.
I think a big problem that Uchi did was try make all of the story come full circle in a causality loop with the future past baby twist. Everything happened because it had to happen to make everything happen... I don't care if it technically makes sense, it's fucking boring storytelling.
At the end of the day, I still loved the game for 90% of it's runtime, but I think I prefer to think that the actual canon ending is the one that made VLR happen and perhaps another history with another Sigma and Phi had a more satisfying ending.
>>342998618
There isn't one exactly.
>>342998619
read it again. 1908.
>>342998529
>>342998638
I choose to believe that was the budget running out.
>>342998651Well, the scene where Junpei gives her the ring is more or less that.
>>342998651
FUCK WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME
>>342998641
Fully agree. TheALIENSshit had no business being there.
>>342998765
show me
Is Left even mentioned once?
>>342998942No :^)
>>342998625
>j turns to c
This fucking game, i got the last 4 part right but i wouldnt expect that part.
Do i get anything from this?
>>342998850
Since it was in no way hinted at before happening and never further explained in any way theALIENSshit was as bad as any plot you could come up with including sudden new superpowers or magic.
>>342998765Technically, he doesn't even mention marriage. Just that she always wanted to wear a ring and that they'll put the ring on the correct finger when they escape.
>>342998942
Of coursehe isn't
>>342998942
Implied in dialogue.
>>342998995
A diagram showing how to assemble the parts to make the big key. You probably already figured out how to do it yourself
>>342998798
Grumpy Jumpy has also become more reality and is not a simple joke.
>>342998995Instruction on how to assemble the key. You can solve it by trial and error too.
what year did the germans send phi to again?
THE FUTURE IS IN OUR HANDSTOGETHER, WE CAN CHANGE THE FUTURETHE FUTURE ISN'T SET IN STONE
Holy shit the cringe is real
>>342998909
Just play the game or watch a walkthrough, I'm not gonna record the screen of the 3ds just for you.
>>342998942
Brother mentions a younger brother once, but that's all.
>>342999090He doesn't mention it, but it's more or less implied.
>>342998637
Hear me out here on this, okay?The Quantum Computer exists, as does all of its' data, in a quantum superposition of '1', '0', and 'both at the same time'. It's deviced to function by sharing the workload across parallel histories, and is how Sean can access other histories' information.
Then, we have'Artificial Reality', or VR if you want to go for that instead, which, quote unquote, "is not discernible from 'reality', Sean would never catch on to the fact that he lives in virtual space.
Then,Sean also made a similarity connecting how he functions as a receiver from the Quantum Computer as his core to that of a human, with the Morphogenetic Field.
TheMorphogenetic Field is comprised, more or less, from my understanding, solely of peoples' consciences. Where their 'self' resides, so to speak.
And let's suppose that, say...Prophecies, premonitions, all that religious-based stuff is actually based off of the morphogenetic field giving insight to a few 'blessed'?
What's to stop one from drawing a similarity between that, and'The god they worship'?
>>342999160
2008.
>>342999185
Why are you posting about VLR?
>>342999152
>>342999131
Well thats goddamn gay, i still want the complete files so i guess ill redo the room.
Also is there a way to turn off hints?
>>342999256
Touche
>>342998850
Yeah, I was entertaining the thought that it was just a convenient lie by Zero until the very end of the game where it was clear there wasn't going to be a further explanation. It's literally the hackiest deus ex machina I can think of.
Best track coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAlXSob8JEThe whole OST is pretty fantastic
Yo Akane,wear this robe for meso that everything matches up with VLR please.
kthx
>I read OP title as Zero Kyle Dilemma
>>342999526
kekThat would be an appropriate title too.
>>342998684
Read what again?2028-124=1904. Phi and Delta were sent back to 1904, 10 months later Phi was sent to 2008.
>>342999348
What would you rather the explanation be in a game series that is centered around psychics and people who can send their minds to different timelines?
>>342999082Oh really? Would it not have been better if that machine simply uses shifter energy or whatever to get turned on? Why need ayyyys to create it.
>>342997886
What do I do after that nothing new unlocked
>>342998684
No, faggot. It was 1904.
>>342999580
Because from 999 on it at least made some sense, it was a recurring theme.
Suddenly bodies too? Aliens? Nah man.
>>342998641>summary of each team
I must've missed something
>>342999572
I'm pretty sure he also specifically mentioned being sent to 1908 by year. Either it's a mistake or he went back in time 4 years at some point.
Is Carlos best new character?
>>342999580
I don't know but I'm sure as fuck aliens aren't involved.
This game's Q&A is gonna be fun.
>>342999683
Take an image / post a screenshot of the flowchart.
Try finding some exclamation marks. Did you do the AB game thrice?
>>342998684
It was 1904, I made a mistake. So he would have amassed followers in 1930.
>>342999764
diana is best new character
>>342999739
Go to the files, there's new ones.
>>342999764
Yes, and by far, the whole Q team is mediocre and a waste of time in general.
>>342999723
Honestly I didn't mind the bodies thing because I thought for sure they were setting it up as the way to send Alice and Clover back to the past but thenlol nothing happened
>>342999795
>>342999580
>>342999723
I just hope it's, like...Something sent from the distant human future or some stupid shit like that, BY HUMANS.
>>342999928
Carlos beats DianaJust like her ex husband.
Where wasSnake
Where wasKyle
Where wasAlice
Where wasClover
Where wasthe good game
>>342999928
>New
She is basically Lunawith a functional womb and vagina.
Is the eshop down for anyone else?
>>342999929
>files
I'm alright
So what do I do know after beating it
>>343000163
Maintenance for another hour.
>>343000024That was an theory provided but I think it leaned more toward aliums in-game.
>>342999796
>This question will be answered in the next game. Look forward to it. :^)
it's okay guys, just take comfort in knowing there's another history where the ending of this game makes sense and maybe another version of you was satisfied
>>342999580
It was not excused in any way, suddenly justBOOM ALIEN TECH BABY.
In 999 you learn the truth at the end and everything makes sense and replaying the game is pretty amazing.
In VLR they set up the consciousness shifting to other times and timelines very early on with bizarre things happening and when you finally realize what is going on it's pretty good too.
In both games you can guess the twist or at least observe things caused by it early on and it's the whole focus of the game. In ZTD however in no way can you see that coming and in no way does it matter that it was specificallyalien tech.
>>342999815
There aren't any exclamation marks
So Uchi what the fuck was the point of this game?
That will be answered in ZE4: Never Ever Edition
>>343000575
Literally an exclamation mark on your first screenshot
>>343000387
Well, they did foreshadow in VLR that there might be a method to transport your whole body through time and space.
>>343000575
Bro, I can see a (!) in the leftmost picture.
>>343000628
This will be answered inZero Escape: 4infinity
>>343000575
I can fucking see an exclamation mark in that picture dumbass
>>343000628
He is planning for a 2028 release. Look forward to it :^)
anyone have any favorite lines from the game?
>So, because of the vote at 13:30... they were executed...>But, even Q...?>He had to deal with a handicap... He probably didn't even realize something was wrong...
You bastard, Uchikoshi.
