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>implying you dont look up the obscure type matches when you forget what they are
c'mon now
Like any of you people bitching about this actually play Pokemon, let alone competitively.
Not a bad thing, maybe with this I could remember that ground is super-effective against rock.
SMT LITERALLY DOES IT
>>342396478
It's a good design choice.
There's literally nothing about this that is bad in any way shape or form.
Remembering shit that people can look up anyway isn't skill.
Can we just go back to Gardevoir starting /v/ pokemon threads?
I haven't seen such a pointless thing upset so many autists since GooberGate.
>>342396478
I'm fine with this, i've been playing Pokemon since 1998 and i still forget weaknesses all the time.
>>342396478
>my 500 post thread 2 hours ago didn't work
>clearly if i repost it it will
>>342397338
>>342397559
There's no clear indication in these games what will be effective against what 99% of the time. You're going to know a fucking charmander is fire type.
>>342397165
That's a cute girl.
>>342397856
This. I took a break playing Omega Ruby, then came back and completely forgot Clefable became a Fairy type once Dragon Breath didn't affect it.
>>342397998
>he thinks there will be wild charmanders in sun/moon
You realize you will encounter quite a lot of new pokemons right
And that unlike SMT you have to capture the pokemon first otherwise the game wont tell you about weaknesses
>>342397856
Then you're an idiot casual
Adding it is unnecessary but getting upset because it is there is also kind of dumb
>>342397998
This, just look at this poison type. I mean it's a rat and it's purple. HAS to be poison.
Anyone who already plays Pokemon knows the type chart anyway, so this just helps the small children and/or newcomers just picking up the series. This isn't "casualization" in the same sense as something like the Super Leaf would be.
>>342398057
>she
>>342398165
>I just can't figure out what type of pokemon this flaming bird is
>>342398213
>How come this "poison type" isn't using poison and only tackle?
>>342398329
Guess the type of this one
>>342398329
>Fire/fighting
>>342398446
if it's not a normal type, then I'd guess it's a rock or ground type because of the brown
>>342396478
Yes, Popplio has fairy attacks meaning it will most likely evolve to be a water-fairy type, big deal.
>>342398441
You mean like the flaming salamander, blue turtle and bulb-a-saur use only Scratch/Tackle?
>>342398520
Rock so yes most people wouldnt know
And again its a non issue because the game only tells you about it once you have captured it
>>342398446
Assume normal and then wait for literally its first attack to know
>>342398613
Your primary indications are going to come from appearance and then moveset. If appearance doesn't tell you immediately then moves will tell you immediately after.
The starters abide by rule #1. Rattata abides by rule #2 (if you're dumb)
>>342398446
I'd probably end up using a fighting move on it anyway. That's worked for me up to this point.
>>342396478
I think it's really interesting since it basically makes the Pokedex actually useful for something and makes an incentive for the catch em all thing with a useful feature.
>>342398073
Yeah i also hope they show the balance for primary/secondary types weaknesses.
>>342398168
Not really, i go autismo with natures and movesets but sometimes i tangle up bullshit like ghost/dark/psychic and since almost every pokemon of these types have two or more of these it's a complete fuckery.
>>342398678
>Tackle
>>342397998
Just like Drapion's a bug type, right?
>>342398264
She's a cute girl.
>>342398446
>Use X move
>It's not very effective
>Oh this pokemon is Y type
SMT and Persona don't have this rock paper scissors system. It's completely arbitrary what works against what most of the time.
Who fucking CARES. It's a series for kids, and if you think you're somehow 'hardcore' for memorizing a fucking type chart, then sort your life out you manchild.
>>342398934
It's garbage, I just run
>this only shows up once you've captured that pokemon
>aka by the time that the game already told you what it's type is
There's literally nothing wrong with this
>>342399117
>Trainer battle
>>342396841
You are correct. It's really just a time-saver overall. But it still takes away from the experience and is simplifying the game even more than it already had been. I really didn't like how in Gen IV you started running into those "halfway points" when going through long stretches between cities. They allowed you to heal without having to run all the way back to a pokecenter and save time. Gen V made it even easier by having people follow you around in certain areas and heal you after EVERY SINGLE BATTLE. True, you could potentially run back to a pokecenter after every battle and get the same effect, but it was considered a time saver.
But part of the game was making those decisions as to whether you wanted to spend a lot of time journeying back to a pokecenter and play it safe, or if you wanted to power through the rest of the area you were in with 4 fainted pokes, one paralyzed at half health, and one that you just caught that was extremely weak. It created a bigger sense of adventure, and it felt so much more fulfilling when you were able to make it through by the skin of your teeth with whatever scrappy team you had left.
OP's pic is the same story. Sure, you can just look up type effectiveness whenever you feel like it, but it felt a lot more fulfilling to calculate it in your own head and choose the correct move. It was also great encountering new monsters whose type you didn't know, and figuring it out based on your own observations. It's just more enjoyable.
But people don't have patience anymore. They don't want to actually have a fun experience in a game. They want to blast through the story as fast as possible and then build their ultra-competitive EV teams that they've spent countless hours on.
>>342396478
Neat. I've long since memorized the type matchups, but this will help those who aren't familiar with them.
The only people against this are the willfully ignorant.
>>342399239
In fact, I would not be surprised if the next game is just a Pokemon Team Builder, where you choose exactly which monsters you want from the start, and you give them the exact nature, ability, EVs, IVs, held item, and moveset that you want, and then just duke it out with other obsessive manchildren for the next year until the next game comes out. The series will eventually just become like Madden, where the only thing that changes from game to game are small adjustments to base stats and different move availabilities.
>>342399239
>people have fun building competitive teams and doing online battles
>that's not REAL fun
>>342399239
>but it felt a lot more fulfilling to calculate it in your own head and choose the correct move.
It's either that you know it, or that you don't know it and that you look it up. That shit's not satisfying.
>>342399520
>slippery slope horseshit
>>342399541
There are several outlets for that already. The games were not initially intended for that. If they were, they would give you the option to just make your competitive teams from the start. I don't give a shit that you find it fun, but it's starting to poison the series. Not that the series is redeemable at this point anyway.
>>342399239
>It was also great encountering new monsters whose type you didn't know, and figuring it out based on your own observations
And...how is it different than what's in the OP? You get one and you know its type. What "observation"?
>>342399239
>They want to blast through the story as fast as possible and then build their ultra-competitive EV teams that they've spent countless hours on.
How is this a bad thing, exactly? I like playing through the storymode but I breed for IVs and do the whole EV training thing too. Its fun to make a team that is as awesome as possible.
>Give away my HG copy to a friend moving
>Want to replay it
>Look online
why is this game so fucking expensive
>>342399598
>It's either that you know it, or that you don't know it and that you look it up. That shit's not satisfying.
>Remembering things and being self-reliant is no more satisfying than using google for everything
Millennials, ladies and gentlemen.
>>342399642
Sure. Several years ago someone would have given a prediction of the next monster being a fucking key ring and you would have said the same thing. Just you wait, bud.
>>342400074
Pokewalker, I would assume? I honestly have no idea, even without the walker it seems really pricey. Glad I own HG and SSBUT I CAN'T FUCKING FIND MY SS COPY HOLY SHIT WHERE IS IT
>>342399787
So if you obviously don't like the series anymore, why are you putting out essays about how shit it is on chinese cartoon websites? That isn't gonna help it, either.
>>342400086
>>Remembering things and being self-reliant is no more satisfying than using google for everything
I didn't actually classify them both as the same level of satisfaction, just said that both aren't really satisfying. Learn to read.
>Millennials
I don't think that means what you think it means. Big chance that you're a millennial.
>>342399239
>>342400086
>but it felt a lot more fulfilling to calculate it in your own head and choose the correct move
yeah
super fulfilling
>>342399907
When the biggest obstacle is how much time you sink into getting the "perfect" pokemon, it becomes unexciting. Everyone has the same stats at that point, and only a handful of pokemon become viable due to imbalance. It's like playing pvp World of Warcraft with everyone wearing the best gear. Yeah, there will be some slight variety to your opponents because there are different talent trees, but it's superficial and boring.
Why is every girl trainer C U T E
Why is every boy trainer a metrosexual faggot?
>>342400471
>Yeah, there will be some slight variety to your opponents because there are different talent trees, but it's superficial and boring.
You're fucking shit.
>>342399787
>Not that the series is redeemable at this point anyway.
So why do you fucking care if you don't even play Pokemon you immense sperg?
>Autists mad their autistic memory is no longer useful
>>342400421
>I didn't actually classify them both as the same level of satisfaction
Neither did I. Learn to read.
>>342396478
>I got completely obliterated last thread
>I will make it again, this one I will win for sure!
>>342400669
>Neither did I.
And I didn't claim that you did mate.
>>342400451
>Look at type charts
>Still think Bug is weak to Ice
It just feels like it should be and I forget every single time
>>342399642
It's not a fallacy if that's their plan all along, assbag.
>>342397559
>persona having analyse for bosses
Meanwhile the only thing you get is Gibo eyes.
Gibo eyes saved my shit so many times.
>>342400471
>When the biggest obstacle is how much time you sink into getting the "perfect" pokemon, it becomes unexciting.
Do you realize just how easy it is to get 5 perfect IVs in pokemon? It really isn't hard at all, and it gets faster and faster the more stuff you breed.
> It's like playing pvp World of Warcraft with everyone wearing the best gear. Yeah, there will be some slight variety to your opponents because there are different talent trees, but it's superficial and boring.
Do you actually play competitively or are you just bullshitting?
>>342397998
fucking dark types man
>>342400575
Post pokeboys
>>342400285
>>342400624
Discussion doesn't have to be a circlejerk, friends. Different opinions are out there. You just tend to forget that because they get lambasted so fervently here.
>>342400585
Cool argument.
>>342398329
best bug type incoming ~onichan
>already made this thread earlier today
>got 500+ replies
felt goodi'm not op this time
>>342400964
If you're trying to discuss high level mechanics, knowing how to use those mechanics is pretty vital. So yeah, it's a pretty good argument.
>>342400964
Typically, discussions are aided when the people involved know what they're talking about. You clearly do not.
>>342400987
>pink
>name is similar to sylph
>2016
>Still falling for the pokemon scam
Good goys
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS CHILDREN GAME CATERING TO FUCKING CHILDREN WHAT THE FUCK NINTENDO YOU ARE LITERALLY EVERYTHING WRONG WITH VIDEO GAMES
WHY IN THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THINGS EASIER IN A GAME MADE EXCLUSIVELY FOR CHILDREN I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WHY WHY WHY!!!!!!
>>342401119
Mobile
The images from the new region make me want to visit Hawaii
Is Hawaii a nice place?
>>342400987
?
>>342401109
>82.5% male
>>342396478
All of this will be completely fine if they actually have trainers use strategies to accompdate.
But that can't happen in a kid's game apparently.
>>342400914
fuck off faggot
>>>/hm/
>>>/vp/
>>>/y/
>>342400735
You're right, you just got defensive about something that never happened and implied I didn't comprehend your response. My bad.
>>342400831
I never said it was hard. I said it was a time sink. In fact, my whole argument was that it wasn't hard, but just a time sink.
>Do you actually play competitively or are you just bullshitting?
I've watched more competitive battles than I care to admit. As I said, there's variety, but it's incredibly limited.
>>342400914
>they fell for the "it's cure so it's a girl" meme
>>342397559
>people are actually trying to compare SMT to a game as piss fucking easy as Pokemon
Why can't you accept the fact that Game Freak thinks you guys are idiots?
ATTENTION FAGGOTS
IT DOESN'T SHOW FOR POKEMON YOU'VE NEVER MET
THAT IS ALL
>>342400914
how do I get ripped like this?
>>342401182
>must check the internet to get his info
>somehow the type in the game is the worst thing ever
You proved OP retarded forever there son. Thank for being so stupid, it saved us time.
>>342401269
>you just got defensive about something that never happened
I don't think you understood my posts. Can you clarify what you're talking about?
I never said remembering things and googling things is on the same satisfaction level, and I never said that you said that (while you implied that I did).
>>342401119
It was fine for children back in 1996
>>342401303
Persona is easy as shit as well so I don't know why you're acting like you're on a pedestal.
>>342401332
Who is this semen demon?
>>342401028
>pokemon
>high level mechanics
Good one.
>>342396478
>effects no one that knows what the hell they're doing
>>342401303
>it doesn't count!
why? If pokemon is easy why are you foamimng with rage that the menu tells you how to do easy things?
Are you a soulfag? Be honest, you really stink like one.
>>342401119
There's a difference between catering to children and treating children like complete fucking retards.
>>342401182
What the fuck does it being male have to do with it being a fairy?
>>342401459
EVs and shit can be pretty obtuse, I'd say it's comparable to high level in this regard.
>>342401303
Anon they don't think their customer are idiots. They expect them to be kids.
>>342401332
Was she giving a blowjob to a Venusaur and he shot the seeds in her eye?
>>342396478
I just want to know what the "i" is. Is it the replacement for L+A to check the move's effect in battle?
>>342401269
It really isn't that much of a timesink (especially with how shit is set up in ORAS to minimize travel time), so I think you're pushing a false narrative here.
Oh, but you've watched plenty of battles online, that totally convinces me you're right about this being an incredibly limiting aspect and the cancer that is killing Pokemon.
>>342401419
Are you seriously trying to imply they're on the same difficulty level? Why are you trying so hard to defend this?
>>342401604
That's what it looks like
>>342401446
Zero from Drakengard 3
thread:>>342355194
Leave it to Nintendrones to defend an easy game becoming even easier.
>>342401408
>>>Remembering things and being self-reliant is no more satisfying than using google for everything
>>I didn't actually classify them both as the same level of satisfaction, just said that both aren't really satisfying. Learn to read.
>And I didn't claim that you [were classifying them as the same level of satisfaction] mate.
It was implied, but I understand that you're pretty set on chalking up another internet argument win, so this will be unsatisfactory.
>>342396478
So now trainer knowledge is useless. It's autistic but at least there was incentive in having that kind of knowledge.
Shamefu dispray.
Do you guys get mad about how strategy games show you chances of hitting and estimated damage?
>>342401551
Kids aren't drooling retards, they're kids. Treating them like drooling retards is just patronizing.
>>342401542
>beat pokemon
>get X amount of EVs in Y stat
It's like astrophysics or something.
>>342401830
>It was implied
It wasn't at all mate. All I said was that I didn't do a thing in that quoted piece, I wasn't talking about you. Can you really not read or something? Or are you just so egotistical that everything has to be about you in your mind?
I loved how you could get by in gen1 with a combination of intuition and memory, rewarding you for paying close attention to each new pokemon you encountered, but these days there are so many types that interact in far less obvious ways than fire > grass, and it's much harder to guess at a glance what type each pokemon is.
>>342401923
>looking it up
>"knowledge"
Sure.
>>342397165
Is that Soi-Fon?
>>342401668
Yeah they are on the same level of difficulty because they're both turn based drivel that any retard could figure out in a second.
>Why are you trying so hard to defend this?
Because if you seriously think this makes any difference in anything you're a retard, but then again, you actually think Persona (and SMT to that extent) is challenging so that was a given.
>>342402020
And there's a limit. And those EVs only count if they're grouped by 4. And the limit isn't divisible by 4. And that's only one part.
>>342401923
THEY'RE JUST CHILDREN. YOU CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO LEARN THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR. YOU'VE GOT TO HAND THEM EVERYTHING.
>>342401953
>clearly kids should remember 700+ monsters and 171 type combinations right off the bat to be on par with me
>>342401930
im too drunk to explain why you're a retard but that's a shit comparison
hopefully someone sober arrives to delineate clearly why you are stupid
>>342401830
Really? That's what you think is what was said? That's funny.
>>342402159
Stop posting. It's clear that you have never played either Pokémon or SMT. Maybe both.
>>342401397
>must check the internet to get his info
>somehow the type in the game is the worst thing ever
Who the fuck are you quoting? I posted the image to show it wasn't Bug.
>>342402284
Not an argument.
Still waiting on why you think Pokemon or SMT are challenging.
>>342401953
Back when we were kids there were only 151 Pokemon and most of them wore their typing on their sleeves.
>>342401626
>especially with how shit is set up in ORAS to minimize travel time
Ah, see? They've even made it easy for you to EV train now. Next game will have a battle simulator where you choose exactly which pokemon to battle based on your EV needs to make it even EASIER.
What I am getting at is what's the point? If everyone grinds to get the best monster, then you're just battling two monsters that are exactly the same.
But you're right, I haven't spent an arbitrary amount of time with competitive battling that you've set for me in order to qualify me as being able to discuss it. Can you at least tell me the size of your pokegirl fap folder so I can try to be more like you, my guru?
THIS ONLY APPEARS THE SECOND TIME YOU ENCOUNTER A POKEMON
STOP
FUCKING
REPLYING
TO
OBVIOUS
BAIT
>>342399520
Goty 2018 confirmed
>>342402239
>The foe's Jibroni used Swallow!
>>342402039
hahaa you got me bud nice one ;^)
>>342402517
>Ah, see? They've even made it easy for you to EV train now. Next game will have a battle simulator where you choose exactly which pokemon to battle based on your EV needs to make it even EASIER.
So, since this was apparently news to you, I take it you never played ORAS or did any of the mechanics which save so much time in breeding perfect pokemon that I was talking about?
You're really bad at this discussion thing.
>>342402180
Oh, it's so hard! It's not like there isn't a shitload of contextual clues, the internet, and the fact that it is damn near impossible to lose a pokemon fight unintentionally to help you out! Not to mention the fact that you never meet the vast majority of these pokemon in game! Think of the poor, retarded kids!
>>342402530
This place can have a twitter screencap of someone unknown yet the thread will go to 500 posts
>>342402530
That doesn't necessarily make it right mate.
>>342402614
I was just being direct, sorry you didn't understand mate. Only retards read shit into things that aren't really there.
>>342396478
Maybe if the pokedex could
A) function in battle to tell you the type of the pokemon you are facing
And/or
B)Had a type chart, even if it wasn't comprehensive (like showing multipliers like 1.2x etc)
We wouldn't need to show this for the kiddies
>>342402239
10/10 i came
>>342402517
>What I am getting at is what's the point? If everyone grinds to get the best monster, then you're just battling two monsters that are exactly the same.
This is where your argument falls apart because you're assuming that every monster is exactly the same (as in, only one possible build), and every team is constructed the same.
You really don't know what you're talking about here.
>>342402284
>you have never played either Pokémon or SMT
Both are small tier tactics based games with an extremely limited amount of options.
SMT might be slightly more difficult than pokemon, but as far as real tactics games, such as Fire Emblem, Front Mission or even Devil Survivor (to a much lesser extent) are concerned, it's basically trash.
>People will actually argue over a key mechanic tutorial in a game for children
>>342399198
Just spam your strongest attack then.
Pokemon isn't very hard.
>>342400451
>ghost doesn't affect psychic
Lol I know there p much weren't any ghost moves anyway, but God damn
>>342402260
>X
>I didn't say Y
>I didn't say you said Y
>Haha is that really what you think was said?
Oh ok.
>>342402459
The vast majorty of them still wear their typing on their sleeve, and with only 4 moves per pokemon it won't take very long to figure out what type it is the vast majority of the time. This is just another example of Nintendo treating the kids who play their games like literal babies.
Kind of like the feather they added to their 3D mario games that make every level a breeze if you die enough.
>>342396841
Looking up is definitely not the same as it being fed to you like a baby.
>Casuals are such whiny babies now that they can't even remember type matchups in a children's game
>>342396478
I dont have a problem with this, figuring out what was effective and look up a chart was fucking stupid
>>342396478
I believe that this is a clear indication that the dual typing is going way out of hand, maybe Protean and other type changing abilities played a part in this as well.
Most people who have played pokemon know their type match ups except for ones that are weird as shit.
>>342403054
>This is just another example of Nintendo treating the kids who play their games like literal babies
So what does that make all the other RPGs that openly display type effectiveness, or even more in-depth information?
>>342403039
>>X
>>I didn't say Y
This didn't happen. The second one was X (me saying I didn't classify them on the same level), then you claiming I said Y (me claiming that you classified them on the same level).
>>342402867
And only a couple are viable for each viable pokemon. Which is what makes it limited in variety.
It's like I'm talking to a broken fucking record here.
>>342399239
>whether you wanted to spend a lot of time journeying back to a pokecenter and play it safe
This is hardly a good decision anon, it was just a pain in the fucking ass to do, and had no risk involved at all. There's no difference between going back to a pokecenter and healing your pokes halfway automagically even, except for a ton of annoying "shitter" battles when wild pokemon show up.
>>342402886
>it's for children! It's okay to treat children like they're retarded!
>>342402517
>If everyone grinds to get the best monster, then you're just battling two monsters that are exactly the same.
>every competitive battle is the same team of pokemon all with the same moveset
I'm not even involved in this argument, but I just want to point out that you are retarded
>>342401953
>Treating them like drooling retards is just patronizing.
That's what makes this so sad. Kids will expect the next Pokemon to be even easier, GameFreak will deliver, and zealots will rush to defend it.
Why do you think /v/ is all for this?These same kids are probably in this thread right now.
>>342403274
They are retarded anon, they're still playing pokemon. And they'll just look shit up online anyway.
>>342403274
Yes what is your point
I guess this was bound to happen because there are so many elements now.
>>342403234
>me claiming that you classified them on the same level
Great, and then I said I didn't. And then you claimed you never said that I did either.
>>342403251
>And only a couple are viable for each viable pokemon. Which is what makes it limited in variety.
Yeah, no. You're really full of shit here
>It's like I'm talking to a broken fucking record here.
Leave any time, myself and other anons have already embarrassed you enough.
>mfw there are faggots in this thread who still think pokemon is/should be "hard" (tedious) for the most retarded reasons
>>342403357
>GameFreak will deliver
And who cares?
Only the manchildren who still play pokemon in this day and age.
>>342403202
Those are usually games that are either more difficult, or the effectiveness of moves on certain enemy types aren't so painfully obvious 90+% of the time. Fuck, you can even kill Pokemon with not very effective moves easily.
>>342402641
I played Y and it was so bad I stopped halfway through. Never bothered with ORAS because I didn't ever get into Ruby and Sapphire. Guess that disqualifies me from any discussion because I don't consume every product gamefreak puts out, huh?
>>342403357
This is honestly why I like gamefreak. They realize they have a competitive fanbase and a fanbase of kids who just want to see cool monsters doing cool monster stuff, and they pander to both. Gamefreak really does their best to please everyone who likes pokemon.
>These same kids are probably in this thread right now.
This is /v/. The thread is filled with either people who still think Gen 1 is the best or people who don't even care about the series and just want to shitpost like they do in every other thread.
Holy shit who let /vp/ in here? Only the actual, legitimate autists from that board are this dumb.
>>342403628
Six generations and autism will do that.
>>342403805
So we've established that you haven't played either of the Gen 6 games and you haven't cared about the series at all since gen 2. Why should anyone listen to your opinion on the series?
I fucking hate how starters now start with ember/water gun/razor leaf
>>342403541
>and then I said I didn't.
You said >>342400669
>Neither did I (classify them both as the same level of satisfaction)
Which is true. I don't think that you did, and neither did I claim that, which I clarified here >>342400735
>And I didn't claim that you did mate.
>>342403541
>And then you claimed you never said that I did either.
Which is true? Or do you think that googling something is of the same satisfaction level as knowing something? If so, where did you say that?
>>342403628
It should have a hard mode, where trainers have pokemon with good coverage of moves. Modifications like Volt White 2 are solid proof you can make the game way better when the Elite Four don't have pound pound tail wag and tail wag. It felt great knowing the fighting guy had ice punch in all his pokemon, and made battles way more tense. I refuse to play a vanilla pokemon from now on.
>>342403952
>/v/ isn't retarded children
Come on, now.
>>342403805
> Guess that disqualifies me from any discussion because I don't consume every product gamefreak puts out, huh?
Well, when you're saying EV TRAINING IS TOO TIME CONSUMING when it really isn't, especially in ORAS, and when you're claiming EVERY POKEMON IS THE SAME when they totally aren't, it makes you look incredibly ignorant. You don't need to buy the game to know these things, of course, but you clearly don't know these things. So all this boils down to is you embarrassing yourself over and over.
What are you trying to accomplish? You're not convincing anyone of your arguments.
>>342403805
What point are you hoping to make?
>>342404085
GF will never deliver on a hard mode. They're too incompetent to do it right, and most of the people who buy their games only do it for the meta anyways.
>>342399239
modern gamers just hate HIGH stakes, bosman, the ease of getting information in this era we are living is making experimenting the pure essence of romance and adventure impossible
>>342402995
>Spam your strongest attack
You'll be the one who spams Hyper Beam on a Steelix hoping to one shot it
>>342404050
>I should be forced to grind 7 levels at the start of the game
No. This is my exact reason for never going back to the older games. 2 hour arbitrary fetch quest and grind segment before you even get to face the first fucking gym leader.
>>342396478
Great new feautre that also enrages manchildren! Two birds with one stone! Bravo, Gamefreak!
>>342404479
>2 hour arbitrary fetch quest and grind segment before you even get to face the first fucking gym leader.
What planet are you on that it takes you two hours to do that in either gen 1 or 2?
>>342404394
>hate HIGH stakes
What are you doing playing Pokemon then?
>>342404619
The meta can be high stakes, at times.
>>342404050
What the fuck. They learned it at either level 6 or 8 or 9. That's like defeat 6 Rattatas. How fucking nitpicky can you get, literally changes nothing whatsoever
>>342404005
No, we've established that I played Gen 6, but did not beat the story, and that I played through Gen 3 and didn't really care much for it. But, of course, you are crafting a separate reality in your own mind in order to convince yourself that you are correct, and that there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with your favorite series.
>>342404079
>Which is true. I don't think that you did, and neither did I claim that
So you were posing a defensive argument against absolutely nothing then? You were just throwing that out there for no reason?
>>342404964
>So you were posing a defensive argument against absolutely nothing then? You were just throwing that out there for no reason?
No? What are you talking about? I only corrected you considering it seemed like you thought that I did something that I didn't.
>>342404812
>The meta can be high stakes, at times.
Do you know what high stakes means anon?
>>342404604
play red or blue. charmander is completely useless, bulbasaur doesnt get vine whip until level 9, and squirtle doesnt get watergun until level fucking 14. pidgey and rattata are useless against brock and nidoran doesnt learn double kick outside of Yellow version so your only option for a second viable pokemon against brock is butterfree. caterpie and metapod can't handle battles by themselves so your only option for training is tackleing metapods for two hours until you finally have two pokemon that can actually hit onix
>>342405208
Squirtle gets Bubble and Charmander gets ember, which is far from useless.
You could also catch a Nido or Mankey.
>>342404121
What is too time consuming depends on how much free time you have. Clearly you have a lot of free time, so it doesn't seem like much to you. I started a playthrough of Black almost 6 months ago and I am pretty sure I'm just now over halfway. I don't have time to sit and breed for perfect monsters.
>when you're claiming EVERY POKEMON IS THE SAME
When did I claim that? When I said I didn't play the remakes of the Gen 3 games? I didn't like the setting, story, or most of the monsters that were introduced in that generation, so why would making it 3D change anything?
You're the one getting assblasted about it. Your frequently capitalized words really gives off the vibe that you're incredibly upset over this, when all I was trying to do was have a discussion.
>>342405151
I mean, if you're in a tourney...
>>342404964
Its adorable that you gave up replying to me because you couldn't answer my question:
>>342404121
What are you trying to convince people of? Why do you keep embarrassing yourself in this thread?
>>342404619
some peeps truly just hate taking risks or never believe in their guts
or people just feel stupid for not looking up things before hand, insecurity or something I suppose
>>342404318
BW2 had a hard mode after you beat it
>>342405695
Hard mode means nothing when Gen 5 was fucking garbage.
>>342405453
>You could also catch a Nido or Mankey.
You could have at least read his entire post. Nidoran doesn't learn double kick and mankey isnt available until Cerulean. Nidoran double kick and mankey being in route 22 wasn't until Yellow version.
Maybe this will finally make some dense people finally realise that you can hit Rock pokemon with electric moves.
HIT THE FUCKING KABUTOPS WITH THUNDERBOLT, IT'S FINE.
>>342405558
Are you slow or something? When I said pokemon, I was referring to the monsters, not the games. Because you had just claimed only a couple builds were viable.
>You're the one getting assblasted about it. Your frequently capitalized words really gives off the vibe that you're incredibly upset over this, when all I was trying to do was have a discussion.
Thanks for the laugh dude, that is adorable.
>>342405558
>I don't have time to sit and breed for perfect monsters.
Then why did you get so assblasted when people pointed out how easy it was to do in ORAS?
>>342405643
>What are you trying to convince people of?
Anon. Calm down. I was trying to have a discussion. I'm sorry I triggered your autism, man. I didn't think having a negative opinion about a children's game would set you off like this. Please try to have a good day working at Burger King tomorrow. I bet they'll even let you take your plushy Lucario in with you to keep you calm :)
>>342405930
See
>>342403186
As always people are blowing it out of proportion.
>>342405905
>Gen 5 was fucking garbage.
Sure thing, champ. Tell me, what is the best one then? I can't wait to hear.
>>342397998
Drapion, Golurk and Beeheeyem say hi.
>>342405916
get a butterfree, chump.
>>342406235
are you actually capable of reading?
>>342405930
Yeah, I think because rock is so frequently paired with ground people just think you can't hit it with electric. My buddy's jaw dropped when I took out his Aerodactyl with my Electrode a few weeks ago. It was glorious.
>>342396478
Everyone should have seen this coming from a mile away. I knew this would happen because they showed effective moves in pkmn super md.
>>342406402
get a butterfree, chump.
>>342406409
kek
>>342406152
The one with almost 600 pokemon on the cartridge and the best online capabilities that allow for quick trading and battling.
>>342405930
THIS. I was always terrified of Lance's Aerodactyl since my 8 year old mind assumed rock types must be immune to lightning since Brock's gym.
>>342406807
>XY
>ORAS
>not utter shit
>>342406841
Why not....you know....use Ice? Like, on all his team?
>>342397998
Yes but in sun and moon it only tells you after you have figured it out by using the attack
>>342406919
>He would rather play a game with 150 pokemon on the cartridge and no online capability at all
>>342407185
>one extreme or the other fallacy
>>342396478
Is it true that this only appears if the pokemon you're fighting has been caught and added to the pokedex?
>I disagree with the choices made in Gen 6.
>LOL ENJOY YOUR NO ONLINE NOSTALGIA FAG CATRIDGE SHIT HAHAHA YOU RETARD
>ONLINE ONLY EXISTS IN GEN 6
Woah, great thread, guys.
Why are we getting tutorials mid game on how to play Rock Paper Scissors, again?
>>342407185
In all fairness to that anon, X/Y and ORAS really were fucking terrible
>>342406919
ORAS was great, though.
>>342407506
>Online only exists in gen 6
Isn't that true now?
>>342407506
It's a game for children, anon.
>>342407506
It only shows up after you've defeated or captured the Pokemon beforehand. Not to mention if you already know the type chart it means literally fucking nothing to you.
So it's virtually the same system as other RPGs but because it's Pokemon autists will bitch about it until the game gets released then still play it anyway.
I just wish you could check your pokedex in battle for stuff like this. It was fine when there were only a few pokemon, but now that are like 1000 or something, I can't remember all that. Even using a turn to do it would be fine.
>>342396841
>forgetting type matches
fucking casuals
>>342407506
Are you upset nobody replied to your shitposting earlier?
>>342407563
Cant wait to hear the reason for this one
>>342407354
Genwunners in a nutshell, clearly cant handle games with more pokemon.
>>342407079
As I said, I was a dumb 8 year old with no source of information on what was effective to what type without experimentation. I didn't even know there was an ice type until that fight.
As a side note, rock is super effective against ice, so its dangerous to put an ice type out against Aerodactyl. Ice will only do neutral damage against Gyarados, electric is your best bet there. One of his Dragonairs and his Dragonite have electric moves and he only natural ice type that weak to electric is Jynx which you can't even get in yellow without trading and good luck knowing some one with a link cable. So basically your only hope in Yellow version (which I had) was to put ice beam on an off-type pokemon and hope you go first and crit.
>>342408273
I'm not a genwunner you fucking dolt, why do you think I said
>one extreme or the other fallacy
?
Pokemon reached its peak at Gen V. We had the ground set with Gen IV, everything was laid down just waiting for the perfect game, Black/White. It fixed most of the problems of the previous generations while forcing you to try new pokemons, new things, gambling on pokemons you didn't know. Even if frustrating at first, finding new bros was a great experience.
You could build so many cool teams in B/W, even if it has its share of terrible designs. The enemy team purpose actually makes sense and for the first time you actually feel threatened by the final boss: Ghetsis song is terrifying and most people not only did not expect him to be there at all, but also get their whole team wiped by his Hydreigon. This is just one thing, B/W has so many high points: The way N works during your journey; The contrasting rivals and the way their personalities actually reflect in the way they fight; The great postgame; Hilda's ass... the list goes on.
Then, after the experience that was B/W, B/W2 comes and finishes what the first one started. It gives you everything has the best postgame of all the series by fucking a mile, and ties everything that was left untied.
>>342407563
>>342406919
>remake the worst gen
>its STILL terrible
How do you even fuck up this bad
Why do we hate her?
>>342408492
BW was awful and gen 5 was only saved by the sheer number of resources and options given to you in BW2, it was clearly a game made for people who like to battle and not babies who constantly cry about difficulty in the story.
>>342407506
It's sort of half and half. It's like playing Rock Paper Scissor and find out on the second game what each type is weak to. Watch the E3 footage again if you missed it.
>>342408492
I liked BW1 but Cheren and Bianca sucked, they had dull teams that barely changed for how often they challenged you.
N, however, was excellent.
>>342408807
She is my wife and I love her
>>342408807
Hat.
>>342396478
I had already decided not to buy or play any new Pokémon games ever again, but this is making me consider selling all my old games too.
>>342408807
>we
speak for yourself, she's cute as fug
she's not top-tier like most of the other Pokegirls (Dawn a best), but she's still great
>>342409569
Oh really? care to explain i would love to hear why.
>>342408807
People dont hate her just her hat. Most people who were angry were just /pol/ memers
>>342405905
>the games should have a hard mode
>actually black 2 did have a hard mode
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I HATE IT
>impying early gens were somehow more complex or complicated
Back in Red edition I just took Charmander and spammed first amber and later flamethrower and firestorm through the entire game. My other Pokemon existed for the purpose of giving me a turn to heal Charizard.
When I got defeated I always tried again until I was overleveled enough to go on. Literally no skill required.
>>342408807
2bh she's the most cuddleable pokegirl so far.
>>342408807
who?
>>342409929
Yes, that's the point, the old games are simple as fuck. There's no need to make them even more shallow and mindnumbing than they already are.
>>342399239
Newsflash; Pokémon has always been incredibly easy. Streamlining the game doesnt hurt it whatsoever. If you're so ass blasted about it there are 600 other Pokémon games to play.
>>342396478
Woe to you Drapion!
Woe to you Scrafty!
You will laugh in the face my struggle no more!
>>342400754
i make the same mistake
>>342409934
That's because she's just Serena and is confirmed for coming back in the Sun/Moon anime
>>342411109
Oh look, its that man child trying imply that having in game indications of effective moves somehow makes you a child and not having them means pokemon is hardcore.
>>342399239
you know i still buy the new ones when they come out and play them for the day and have some fun. But people like you who obsess and throw tantrums over a game that is literally created for everyone for being too easy makes me cringe and saddens me that these are the type of people my semi hobby is associated with.
please stop caring that a kids game is easy. if you want a challeneging experience there are 100s if not 1000s of games that are hard
>>342400074
are you me?
>>342411953
no. are you me?
>>342411876
The sad thing is that there are even less hard games that are actually good all throughout.
I think the major thing that we try to see is, as kids we dealt with Gen 1 and 2, which left many things to be discovered such as egg moves, EVs type advantages, ways Pokemon evolve, where to find Pokemon and so on. Now pretty much everything is given at the start and there’s no need to explore or find stuff, it’s all given to you straight up or can be found online. Granted it makes things more streamlined, but as kids we had an opportunity to find new things.
Kids nowadays are being treated like they are incapable of thinking for themselves and must have a thing that tells them what to do (Granted there's been a trend of kids actually thinking like that). There’s no sense of discovery besides finding new Pokemon.
>>342411876
>games must either be super easy or super hard!
Why do you even play video games?
>>342411734
>pokemon fan
>calling others man children
oh the ironing
>>342412360
no one said that. youre just saying things.
>>342412640
sure bud, enjoy your games made for mentally challenged children
>>342412280
Even then, Pokemon has allways been babbys first RPG turn-based game. Making it more easy doesn't make a difference
If would be nice instead of spoonfeeding you from start that those "Super effective" indicators appear once you discovered that this Pokemon is weak to this element
The hardest part of Pokemon is allways "trying to catch them all" because, and i remember this well in Gen 3 i think (The one that had Blaziken), getting some of the hidden Pokemons was really cryptic (At least when i was a kid), i never found out that Registeel (And its clones) were a thing until my 3rd playthrough
Back to the point, it's supposed to be an easy game marketed towards kids, i've never heard any of my friends ever losing a battle in this game
>>342413390
>I don't play Pokémon but I'm gonna pretend to know what the gameplay is like in every entry in the series
>>342413669
I haven't touched Pokemon since Gen 4, and for what i've seen of later entries, it doesn't seem to change much
>>342397992
>Didn't work
What is he trying to accomplish?
Could it be
>I agree OP, it's shit!
>>342411109
DELETE THIS
>>342412490
Nothing more childish than complaining about a game needing to be made more difficult for some of the most retarded reasons ever which would lead to the game being shit.
>>342398446
>Brown grey color
>Generic animal
Normal type.
>>342397023
>competitively.
>pokemon
um
>>342396478
Kids are dumber and have shorter attention spans than before. They're streamlining the games in order to fit their new audience.
>>342398916
>sometimes i tangle up bullshit like ghost/dark/psychic
It's been sixteen years.
Ghost is strong against Ghost and Psychic
Dark is strong against Ghost and Psychic
Psychic doesn't work on Dark
>>342412360
>>342413337
you got me anon
>>342413337
>I whine on the internet about kids games being too easy!
yes anon they should make kids games harder for big boys like you!
>>342413782
So you haven't played Pokémon in nearly 10 years, and haven't even touched the newer games at all, but you still insist you know how the games have changed over the years.
Ok.
>>342414373
dual types motherfucker
>>342396478
I thought this was a metaphor for sex
>>342402159
>Yeah they are on the same level of difficulty because they're both turn based drivel that any retard could figure out in a second.
AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!
You havn't played both faggot. You havn't. If you seriously think this, you havn't fought any of the hard bosses in SMT.
>>342399239
t.autism.
How much more can they fucking casualize this godamn series? I mean, the pokemon games were never that challenging, but at least you to apply some kind of thought process to get through the battles. This shit is literal babby tier.
>>342401303
The type combinations and weaknesses in pokemon are WAY more numerous than anything in current SMT.
We all know SMT is a way more difficult series and it still has less combinations and more information.
So that being said there is absolutely no issue with being shown this kind of stuff in pokemon of all fucking things. It's a boon for anyone. It's about time they've done something like this. They even have a screen where you can actually see your buffs and debuffs as well instead of you just seeing "SHIT WAS SHARPLY LOWERED" and having to know what that means.
While in SMT or any other game you'd have a screen where it show'd the buffs and debuffs.
>>342417041
but it doesnt change anything, its not a gameplay change. Its an interface/HUD change.
>>342402239
Pokemon Trainer: I challenge you to a gym battle!
Pokemon Gym Leader: I'll show you who's boss of this gym!
>>342417041
I know right? They should also get rid of the pokemon fan websites and databases since information is casual according to you.
>>342401385
Squats and oats
Are sun and moon just gonna be more shit like XY or are we gonna get something actually good like Gen 4 or 5?
>I'm too retarded to try and guess the pokemon's type based on it's appearance and moveset
>I don't use trial and error to try and figure out it's type if I guess the type wrong
>I'm so much of a shitter that I actually use a wiki guide to look up the pokemon's type so I can oneshot it on the first try even though Pokemon is an already piss easy jrpg
>my only defense is that it's for kids even though it's been statically proven that more teens and adults play the game online competitively
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>342396478
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
>>342402882
>real tactics games
>such as Fire Emblem
>Fire Emblem
>Tactics
>>342418812
It's gonna be shit like XY and people on /v/ are still gonna buy it and flood the board with it
>>342418812
Gen 5 was hot fucking garbage, and made me not even bother with Gen 6 til ORAS.
>>342419730
Were you upset when ORAS was also hot garbage?
>>342419840
Yea, but getting a comp. team was much easier So I got some enjoyment out of it.
If they really wanted to casualized Pokemon they should have gotten rid of shit like EVs and IVs
>>342398814
>Your primary indications are going to come from appearance and then moveset. If appearance doesn't tell you immediately then moves will tell you immediately after.
Literally neither will tell you what this is. Fucking nothing indicates what Cradily is without looking it up.
>>342420237
I mean, if this is all about streamlining, then you should just be able to choose what Stat values you want your pokemon to have.
>>342420892
>this one pokemon invalidates the fact that you can use the pokemon's name, appearance, and moveset to predict it's typing 99% of the time
But you're right. While we are at it, how can we expect KIDS to select the best move to use and hit A? The game really should add a autoplay function.
>>342420237
EVs are fine but my god IVs are a fucking RNG clownfest. The fact that your pokemon can literally be born with shit stats is bullshit.
>>342421270
Boy you love putting words in my mouth, don't you?
This change is irrelevant to me because I have it all memorized anyway. This is literally just for children new to the series.
I mean it's not like this is fucking exp share we're talking about.
>>342420237
It was a system that was never meant to be discovered or exploited, until they realized it managed to keep the older crowd playing.
>pokefags triggered that 5 year olds will have a type guide in game even though it's been in the game in several versions already
btw familia this is the pokemon equivalent of
>BLUE ARMS
>>342421532
>I mean it's not like this is fucking exp share we're talking about.
nigger all you gotta do is turn it off.
