Are Daedra good or bad?
>edgelords the race
They're beyond normal morality because they're from a different plane of existence. Shit works differently there.
Which means don't blame them for how they act, but feel no pity for them either.
Basically they have the complex morality of a tornado.
>>342166467
Imagine being summoned to a world of talking farm animals. Wallowing in their filth, clucking and snorting and every now and again you see one wearing a military gear.
Thats what it is like to be a daedra.
>>342166663
That's just somethign Writers say to make themselves feel better.
>>342166467
They're usually evil. The only Daedra that can be interpreted as good are Azura, Ebonarm, Nocturnal and Meridia. And maybe Malacath.
>>342167119
>very now and again you see one wearing your cousin and his entire family
Daedra can't pull that high being bullshit when they can be made into boots like that.
>>342166467
Good and evil are subjective terms anon. The Daedra want to subjugate you, and for you this makes them an evil existence. As for the Daedra, they don't care either way. You are too insignificant for them to ponder the morality or ramifications of killing you.
>>342167967
Ebonarm isn't a deadra.
He is a image of Ramen Cyrodiil. He was Ysmir before Tiber Septim(also Talos is actually 3 people) became Ysmir.
Also he hates all deadra except Sheogorath for some reason.
>>342167967
>Ebonarm
I thought that fucker was retconned in ES:O
What makes the Elder Scrolls lore so interesting?
>>342168672
>Ramen Cyrodiil
Fuck off Naruto.
>>342168698
>ES:O
People who care about ESO when talking TES lore:
>>342168848
I see this is no place for logic.
>>342168807
It's actually creative and doesn't spell everything out for you like every other fantasy setting.
>>342166467
silly mortal
of course deadra are good
>>342169037
The bar for being included in TES lore is pretty low.
C0DA,ESO all have their fans.
If it isn't in a Bethesda game it is not worth discussing.
>>342166467
They arent as good as argonians.
>>342169134
When entering a discussion of a lore that includes a time traveling android with a passion for skinning anything with pointy ears, you might want to leave logic at the door.
>>342166467
A few of the princes are alright and get a bad rap by association, but most Daedra are huge cocks
>>342168807
Where's Talos?
>>342170798
>>342166548
Do you call demons edgelords aswell?
>>342166467
They're evil.
>>342166467
You know that good and bad in the context you've used them are subjective, yes?
>>342170857
Sorry Thalmor fucker, but TES is a mythopoetic universe. As long as Talos is being worshiped, Talos is quite real.
>>342168807
I do not see eight spokes 0/10
>>342168807
Because it is simple and interesting. It doesn't have much boring politics stuff and complexity like Witcher lore.
>>342171646
>as long as that shitstain, may he rot in hell, is still worshipped
Your false 'god' won't last long, man-scum.
>>342172249
>implying the Thalmor isn't going to end up genocided with the Altmer dragged down them
>>342172249
I killed your little puppet and helped unite the lands of men to stand against you. What say you to that?
>>342172117
>It doesn't have much boring politics stuff
I see someone never played Morrowind
>>342172849
You still don't have the redguards so your forces mean little.
>>342172849
I say Thank you! Now we can go back to kidnapping and torturing your dirty talos worshippers for fun! :^)
Did ESO really fucked up the lore a lot?
>>342173259
>he thinks Hammerfell won't stand against the Thalmor
I really think you should check out this book's epilogue:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Great_War_%28book%29
>>342173817
However much damage you think it did, it did much more.
>>342171046
You'd have to be a little edgy to be a demon, to be fair.
>>342168807
The dude who dropped about ten gallons of liquid acid into his brain with a hypodermic needle hooked up to a 4th dimensional machine.
>>342173934
>However much damage you think it did, it did much more.
can you explain please, I barely played it
>>342173837
They hate the Thalmor sure but you proud empire men betrayed and abandoned them.
>>342168807
The cat race collectively got high as fuck and stacked themselves to the moon.
>>342170857
>>342174310
Not him but as far as I remember they just added the 3 alliances bullshit. In reality no one allied with anyone and the High Elves were very much still supremasists. In ESO the High Elf queen is a SJW who wants to unite all races including the dindu cats. Also Molag Bal never wanted to open Oblivion portals and conquer Nirn in the second Era, which is the main theme of ESO.
>>342174676
Don't forget that the dindu cats serve Thalmor due to the whole moon thing
>>342166467
Neither. They are beyond human morality
>>342166467
They areugly.
>>342174980
And they used to look so cool in Morrowind.
>>342173817
The only ones who hate it are the C0DA fags.
To be fair they aren't that thrilled with Bethesdas handling of their head canon either.
>>342167119
Yet repeatedly daedra get beaten the fuck down
I want to see a dremora or something who realized that sooner or later, of all the mortals you taunt, one of them will turn out to be an adventurer who will royally fuck you up, and being infinite means you have a guaranteed chance that this will happen.
So starts being a little bit nicer because he's kind of existentially terrified of mortals.
Justice for the Dunmer
>>342175371
Your pic got me thinking.
Can nondunmer become sleepers?
>>342175552
No, simply because Dagoth wouldn't allow some infernal n'wah into his good graces
>>342168807
The fact that it's a schizophrenic god mind
>>342175486
They got the justice they deserved.
>>342175214
Didn't it use a lot of stuff from the C0DA, or at least try to sound like it? Like the Altmer princess being a magical space-mining probe from the future? That sounds pretty C0DA.
>>342175965
A lot of C0DA stuff is in ESO, yeah. The later post-game content tends to be really good, but the normal game content (like the alliance quests) are often just pretty damn bad.
There's some gems here and there mind you, but you kind of get tired of the necromancer plots once they happen for the fifth time.
>>342176170
So basically their first run sucked and they've tried ever since to make it up for it?
>>342176403
More or less. The difference in quality is sometimes jarring
I hate that they introduced Jygalagg and then proceeded to never mention him again. He could have had a pretty interesting questline.
>>342176754
He got fucked over the last time, he's gotta go hide.
He's the most rational part of the god mind, remember.
chaotic neutral
>>342174676
To be fair, the Second Era has always been fairly devoid of chronicled events which is why they chose it as the setting.
Anything could have happened during the period, and I'd like to remind you that things such as Dragon Breaks exist in TES lore so they could just say there was a Dragon Break and a bunch of shit happened but no one's sure.
Tbh you can just ignore it, it doesn't really add or take anything from the series.
>>342176754
Because Jyggy just got absorbed back in Sheogorath. It's an endless cycle, and isn't about stopping the Greymarch but finding some sap to dethrone him and become the next thing.
In another thousand years the CoC will become Jygalagg and then have someone else replace them
>>342176943
He has great potential to be a very interesting character with unique qest/part in a game.
Like bringing some grimdark/cruel rational/kind rational stuff into it.
>>342176707
is there any really INTERESTING lore in TESO?
Why is Elder Scrolls lore so fucking convoluted? There's stuff that's cool and then there's stuff that's like
>This god/deity is known as multiple things and can be regarded as good or evil depending on the culture/race
>Outer space backness is really just Oblivion
>Each planet is a plane of existence and each star is a hole in Oblivion to the Elder Scrolls version of heaven
>Aedra and Daedra aren't just simply angels and demons, they're people who exist on separate planes of existence!
>The player character using mods/cheat/console commands is just him realizing he's in a game world and achieving godhood
>Dwarves are just dicks who magic'd themselves out of existence because lol you're not allowed to achieve knowledge/equality with deities
>Both Oblivion and the Nordic afterlife exists, meaning every religion is either right or wrong
>Alduin and Talos is the same fucking person
I'm pretty sure the fucker who writes this shit doesn't even understand it.
>>342177561
They haven't really come up with too much that's original and interested. Craglorn stuff I guess.
Most of it is fanservice or confirming fanon stuff, like Sotha Sil's Imperfect and city location.
>>342177775
All of that makes plenty of sense though if you understand TES lore, and some of the things you stated are wrong anyway
>>342169189
skyrim spells everything out for you tho, the only noteworthy things were huffington post-tier agenda pushing such as racism and multiculturism
>>342177775
>because lol you're not allowed to achieve knowledge/equality with deities
The dwemer died because the fucked their apotheosis up. Technology in TES is easily allowed to be achieved, but understand that science is magic in TES. The past eras had HUGE amounts of super high technology (guns, spaceships, etc) but it had a magical basis to it.
TES currently is living in the dark ages.
>>342167119
... No. I mean kind of, but not exactly. Imagine that when you die, you only die for awhile - you come back after some time retaining past memories. Your soul can be captured and trapped for eternity.
So this is your existence, and the existence of daedra-kind. Then there is mortal-kind, whose souls cannot normally be trapped and the circumstances surrounding their deaths are totally different. They are alien, their cultures are alien, and they have a habit of yanking you out of your comfy life in Oblivion to do their bidding.
Like aliens who can teleport you to their planet, kill you with impunity, and turn your body into a wicked pair of boots that they enchant with your soul.
Morality doesn't really apply, because all things considered it's pretty immoral to summon, soul trap, kill, and enchant a daedroth.
If I were a dremora, hero or no hero I would kick the shit out of every mortal that summoned or tried to summon me.
>>342177775
None of the gods are perfectly good, so they might be nice to their followers, but dicks to other groups, especially groups that follow gods they don't like.
Also there is nothing inconsistent about other planets being the other planes and the inhabitants of those planes not necessarily being good or evil, just aliens.
Everybody's afterlives exist because this isn't monotheism, nobody claims to have exclusive control over anything so there isn't any wrong or right about religion. Nord religion says nords go to not-valhalla, it doesn't give a shit what happens to elves.
>>342177775
>This god/deity is known as multiple things and can be regarded as good or evil depending on the culture/race
>Outer space backness is really just Oblivion
>Each planet is a plane of existence and each star is a hole in Oblivion to the Elder Scrolls version of heaven
>Both Oblivion and the Nordic afterlife exists, meaning every religion is either right or wrong
These things are so convoluted because the lore of the Elder Scrolls is done realistically in that different cultures have interpretted supernatural phenomena different ways.
>Aedra and Daedra aren't just simply angels and demons, they're people who exist on separate planes of existence!
>Dwarves are just dicks who magic'd themselves out of existence because lol you're not allowed to achieve knowledge/equality with deities
>Alduin and Talos is the same fucking person
These ones are your own misinterpretation
>The player character using mods/cheat/console commands is just him realizing he's in a game world and achieving godhood
And this one is fanfiction that is believed solely by MK dicksuckers.
>>342167119
Calling it military gear would be an understatement. I'd call it power armor because some of these guys are fucking powerful.
>>342177561
The memory and ocean stuff is cool. The stuff about conjurers scanning planes of Oblivion with machines is pretty nifty. But yeah, most of it is dull shit like Divayth Fyr having feelings for a boring ass maiden or something and being mad he can't have boring maiden. Or stuff about Bosmers that is as boring as it is plentiful. I think the writers were trying to do for Bosmers what Morrowind did for Dunmer.
>>342178415
Wait, where's Fyr in TESO?
>>342177775
You tried to reduce it to something simple so you could compare it other simple things it isn't and then get upset when it isn't those things. You talk about Aedra and Daedra being angels and devils but that's not equivalent. They're not even attempting to be that. You're comparing spirits who turned themselves into sentient corpses after being tricked so that they could ground the world into some manner of rationality. There's nothing angelic about Akatosh, he's a mental patient who's schizo attacks wreck time and Aedra send robots from the future to kill elves.
You probably think Oblivion = devil because the game, Oblivion (which is infamous for watering down parts of lore so it represented more common themes and fantasy elements) focused on one daedra who was the most hellish of all. No other realm looks like Hell or is full of so many dremora. Mora's realm is not equivalent to devils and Satan. Azura's realm sounds nothing like a hellscape.
>>342178652
He's mentioned here and there, don't remember him in a quest though.
I remember Shalidor getting repeatedly beaten out by Sheogorath though
>>342177775
>I'm pretty sure the fucker who writes this shit doesn't even understand it.
That's basically Kirkbride in a nutshell.
>>342178652
Books and letters, usually just the works of characters who all sound like the same pompous housewife who is shocked that such "ridiculous" things "not suitable for one such as myself" are always occurring. On occasion Fyr is mentioned or is focused on a bit and he usually only seems to do lame shit.
>>342167967
>Azura
>good
>not a manipulative bitch
>Ebonarm
>still existing
>>342175371
What about the Dremora that serve Vivec on the pilgrimages?
>>342177793
>like Sotha Sil's Imperfect and city location.
Elaborate?The fanon for Sotha Sil location was that it moves around, right?
>>342179405
You mean the ones who are generally pretty pissy about it?
Like atronachs seem to be the only ones who are generally cool with things. Shame we never get too much information on them.
>>342179361
If you check out that book one follower wrote and listen to some stuff, she's the best prince to worship if you want to not get turned inside out through the ritualistically barb wired dick other princes ask. Most of her followers end up just hanging out at shrines and places being nice to each other and talk to her all the time. Shit is going down? She will tell you where to go and how to get out of trouble. Or she'll send help. The real problem is that she will occasionally use a follower for some shit bet.
People bring up that flower in the box story but when you get three flags telling you to not be mess with a prince and you do it anyway, you're a retard. Azura won't come and fuck with you unless you fuck with her. She gives clear signs about what will piss her off and it's stuff that usually requires you be a colossal asshole and murder people or talk shit.
>>342179470
Nope.
Sotha Sil was given a bunch of different locations that it was under for a various obvious reason.
Because it's under EVERYTHING. It's the underworks of Nirn.
As for the Imperfect, the leading theory that it was Sotha Sil's imperfection stripped out and put away. ESO states that he separates his negative qualities from himself.
>>342179515
To be fair, I think it's just in their nature to be pissy about it. I don't think they are pissy because they have been inconvenienced, I think they are just pissy because they come from a plane where if you aren't pissed off all the time you will be beheaded.
>>342166467
They just represent different aspects of Humanity. They're powerful Gods, but at the same time flawed in our own image.
>>342179809
If lesser daedra are anything like princes, they're essentially being bound to a physical form that's weaker and more restrictive than their natural form. Plus, you're taking them from where they grew up and adapted and placing them into different environments. If I were in Coldharbour why the hell would I want to be Hammerfell where it's hot all the time and it's endless deserts filled with bullshit and people who want you dead more than usual.
>>342180010
They're not being bound to physical form because every time you visit one of the planes of Oblivion they are in those same forms.
Is Talos technically daedric and not aedric since he didn't contribute to the creation of the world? He also didn't sacrifice part of himself, so does this make him immortal unlike the other divines?
>>342168807
nothing now that bethesda is committed to gutting it
>>342179779
>Wheels of Lel is canon
fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
What was the source for the theory on the Imperfect? I remember it being a bossfight out of nowhere in Tribunal, with no elaboration after the fact.
>>342180128
There's different summoning techniques but many are, hence why they vanish the moment you're done with them and there's no implications that they're being truly killed on Nirn. Some daedra are just stuck on Nirn and that sucks for them.
>>342180229
Talos is a padomaic entity technically, and Lorkhan's status as an aedra or daedra is often the subject of much debate.
Actually, did Lorkhan give up some of his mortality like the other aedra to make Nirn? He had the idea and was clearly okay with it, even if he was murdered later it seems weird if he didn't do the same thing the other aedra did
>>342180282
>fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
Eat it motherfucker.
Also the theory just came from the fact that, well, it was a bossfight out of nowhere so plenty of people went "What the fuck is this thing and why is it called that"
>>342180261
>bethesda is committed to gutting it
bit harsh, Skyrim brought a lot of interesting stuff in honestly, compared to Oblivion
>>342166467
No.
>>342179685
And now she's been sealed away from being able to interact with Tamriel.
What a shitter.
>>342180398
No. Nothing of Lorkhan was poured into Nirn, unless you count Akatosh as Lorkhan. (Lorkhan and Akatosh are trapped inside each other)
>TES lore thread
Just how powerful WAS Dagoth Ur? Was he Daedra level because of his reverse dreaming bullshit? Learning of his potential it seems like he is incredibly OP and that the Nerevarine only won because Dagoth Ur was holding back out of arrogance/ loyalty, and even then the Nerevarine was insanely powerful as well and couldn't dent him physically despite dropping all of the Tribunal and Hircine.
>>342180748
>Nothing of Lorkhan was poured into Nirn
Well you mean, except for all that fucking lava.
>>342180615
That's because MK was brought back for Skyrim
Wheels of Lull is part of Trainbiz's self titled cellular-chronocodascopic lore. It was inspired by a drawing of a dunmer in modern clothes with a cellphone full of wizards in it drawn by MK a year before Sotha Sil Extended was promoted on 4chan. Treinwiz ultimately sought an explanation for this which centered attention from Imperialic Library causing MK to form a connection to a Sotha Silic corporation that lasted into TES's 19th era and formed the foundation for a lot of technologies that lived and died violently until finally settling into existence. So the cellular chronocodascope lore was implemented to some degree in all his mods including his Fallout 4 mods that make various references to his fanon lore.
Doesn't help Todd once made a joke about it shortly after Dawnguard's third E3 trailer.
>>342180796
TES powerlevels are ineffable. Left to his own devices, Dagoth Ur would have ruined Lorkhan's plan and put an end to all of Mundus. But in terms of physical ability, as in how hard he can punch? He wasn't that impressive. It's the nature of Corpus and Akulakhan that would have infected and corroded reality, not Dagoth Ur physically throttling the heavens.
Man, just imagine if all that time Trainwiz spends shitposting here he'd put into making TES 6.
We'd be in Akavir/Valenwood/Hammerfell already.
>>342180952
what he? not officially I think
>>342180796
With the heart intact, he could never die due to his nature, and could turn all the world into the Dagothscape.
With it gone, he's a chump.
So he's quite strong with a big weakness, after all he's more or less using the heart of one of the most powerful beings in TES.
>>342180952
Not really. MK wrote Knights of the Nine but he wasn't doing much for Skyrim. You guys give him too much credit, give Kuhlman more.
>>342181079
I dunno, Dagoth still could hit you pretty hard.
>>342181138
Nanosteam released never
>>342180952
Nope. A few concepts were inspired by his writing or taken but he never did any work for Skyrim. Bethesda did not bring him back at all for it. That's right, fuckers. Dragonborn was done without MK. They did Shivering Isles without his help too. They don't need him.
>>342181192
>Nanosteam is now a Bethesda IP
>see that space train? You can ride it.
>>342180952
Bethesda only used a few MK references, like in the priest's speech in Whiterun
>>342181392
If it was a Bethesda IP at least it would actually have resources behind it and usable assets...
>>342180796
This powerful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83vT2svg3g
>>342170798
Talos is powerful enough to move around so he is dormant like others.
>>342181494
Nanosteam is gonna be okay right senpai?
>>342181014
Stop shooting dope, Kirkbride, shit will kill you.
>>342181176
MK DID come up with the White-Gold concordat which is the foundation of all the politics going on in Skyrim you fucktard
>>342181643
Nanosteam will always be the best.
>>342181695
The irony is that MK only gets his high from booze and cigarettes. There is no drug coffin, not even a drug pillow.
>>342181729
>MK has one idea that everyone else develops
>THEY BROUGHT MK BACK FOR SKYRIM!
You're an idiot.
>>342181592
Does anyone have a link to the "Welcome to Morrowind" video?
>durrrrr Google it
It seems to have been removed. The ones with that title aren't funny.
>>342181771
Bullshit. That's just what he claimed he was on when he wrote the 36 Sermons.
>>342181729
I mean that's really not the same as writing it. They didn't put in things like the Leaper King or anything.
When I read the Love Letter I refuse to believe it was written by a man on only alcohol and nicotine
>>342181925
He studied a lot of religions founded by a lot of nutjobs like Crowley or had thousands of years to be weird. Him being tired and drunk combined with ripping off other religions is no secret formula. MK even smokes like he's a mysterious sage when he was on that tes lore podcast thing.
>>342181862
>create something based on an idea of the other guy
>m-muh OC give me credit
Not my fault bethesda hires writers so shitty they need MK to lay foundations for them every single time
>>342175629
I wish you could have joined up with Dagoth.
>>342182132
More like Kirkbride mentions it in a drunken stupor and everyone else does things
"M-muh OC give me credit" applies much more to Kirkbride than to the other writers
>>342176754
In some loremaster thing in ESO, it is mentioned by Haskill that Hero of Kvatch only let the cycle continue, not ended it nor tried to end it.
>maybe a war should end in a treaty
>WHOA HOLY FUCK MAKE WAY FOR MK THE ARCHDUKE INFINITE OF ALL FICTION. THIS FUCKER WROTE SKYRIM WHILE ON A BREW OF MUSHROOMS THAT ONLY GROW ON THE SEX SIX SECT SIDE OF EARTH'S MYTH MOON
>>342182289
>Bethesda
>""""""""writers""""""""
lol
>>342182372
>maybe these elves who have always hated Lorkhan should ban him from the clubhouse
>BRILLIANT MICHAEL, JUST BRILLIANT!
>>342181925
>>Does anyone have a link to the "Welcome to Morrowind" video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyLFHqmUH_4
this?
>>342182261
>being so naive that you actually think Dagoth Ur wouldn't betray the Nerevarine as soon as it was convenient for him
>>342178357
>The player character using mods/cheat/console commands is just him realizing he's in a game world and achieving godhood
that part is wronged by MK himself in r/teslore as far as i can remember
>>342182506
u da real mvp
>>342182506
Is this video going to spew cliffracers in my face when I open it?
>>342182652
Surprisingly, no.
>>342182532
Dagoth Ur loved his lord, of course he wouldn't betray him.
Dagoth Ur's nature isn't actually one of betrayal anyway, he's crazy, not amoral like Vivec.
>>342168807
Isn't most TES lore just Eastern Asian and Semitic stuff anyway?
>>342182783
He loved Nerevar.
The Nerevarine is not Nerevar.
>>342182803
damn you Dibella
>>342166467
not human, and not attractive enough for sex slaves, so kill every last one
>>342177775
>>Dwarves are just dicks who magic'd themselves out of existence because lol you're not allowed to achieve knowledge/equality with deities
>>Both Oblivion and the Nordic afterlife exists, meaning every religion is either right or wrong
These two are the big ones and you're 1000% right.
Nordic afterlife's existence really does throw a monkey wrench into things.
The dwarves going away was totally gay.
>>342182889
He buys into the whole Nerevarine is Nerevar reincarnated though.
>>342182889
No but the Nerevarine became Nerevar.
>>342180748
you are forgetting the
>his heart is also nirns heart who are there to satisfy each other
bullshit and auriel shooting it away cos of it
>>342166467
WE WUZ DAEDRA WORSHIPPERS AN SHIET
>>342182996
How are you supposed to know that for sure if you only see Dagoth Ur from the perspective of the Nerevarine, whom Dagoth Ur could be misleading?
>>342168807
Because drugs and personality disorders go together like peanut butter and jelly
>>342182803
Yes, and throw in some relatively western stuff like Thelema and other shit about spirituality and knowledge.
>>342183181
Because of the fucking huge Q&A session before the final boss. If you're there to kill or be killed by Dagoth Ur, what reason would he have to lie to you about his or your past?
>>342182963
>>Both Oblivion and the Nordic afterlife exists, meaning every religion is either right or wrong
You're onto the right track. Every religion is "right". When you die, your soul is taken to the Dreamsleeve, where you dream of the afterlife of your choosing, while your soul is cleansed of memories in preparation for recycling.
>>342182803
It's base seems Hinduism but takes bits and pieces from all.
>>342182963
my take is that whatever you truly believe in is where you will go in the afterlife, like werewolves that stay true to the hunt will go to Hircine's realm, faithful nords go to Sovngarde, etc.
My take is that someone who doesn't believe in anything like Else God-Hater in Oblivion will just go straight to the dreamsleeve to get their soul recycled instead of spending a period of time in their afterlife of choosing beforehand
>>342183437
Oh, you mean the Q&A where you an straight up tell Dagoth Ur that you're just an imperial agent, to which he replies with something along the lines of, "as I feared," showing that he was not completely certain you were Nerear reincarnated?
I can't remember
Whatever happened to Jyggalag?
>>342183849
He fucked off to find his own realm to make boring and dumb.
>>342182918I actually really liked ESO for the two months or so I played it.
I want to replay Oblivion or start Morrowind for the first time. Help me decide bros.
>>342183849
Same as always does.
>>342183849
His plotline never went anywhere and he didn't kill all the other daedra
>>342183986
Morrowind is better, in my HUMBLE opinion.
>>342183849
Sheogorath?
>>342178069
Redpill me on the Reman Era.
>>342183986
Oblivion didn't age nearly as bad as morrowwind did.
>>342184024
>His plotline never went anywhere
SHOCKER
>>342166467
Chaotic Neutral.
>>342184092
High level of magical technology and debauchery, many big things like the mananauts and similar projects, all of which went out of style or failed miserably for a variety of reasons.
>>342183849Hes sheogorath.
>>342183986
Morrowind has the better main quest but Oblivion has the better guilds and DLC (shivering isles)
>>342183849
The TES universe is cyclical. It is inevitable that there will eventually be another Greymarch, however long it may take to occur.
>>342184743
Did you just implicitly dis Tribunal?
>>342184856
>implying goblins with near-daedric weapons and mr. 770 luck is good
>>342184856
Tribunal was garbage, though.
How does the Aldmeri and the Empire fight each other? Outside of just sending 20 or so NPCs to swing swords at one another.
>>342184856
Tribunal needs a mod to make it worthwhile
>>342184073
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>>342185038
I have decided to at least make my character in Morrowind tonight and in Oblivion and see which one I flow with.
>>342168807
It's a fantasy setting with unique races that aren't walking cliche and having an original background to everything
Despise the Skyrim meme and and the occasional lore stub shits, it's still fairly well-written and way better than any of the 1000 LoTR rip off out there
>>342185001
Hey Mr. 770 luck was certainly memorable
>>342185143
To be fair the main quest is fucking amazing and far better than the ones in the other games. Just remember your character sucks early on.
>>342185335
Oh yeah I know all about my character in the early game. I know you need agility+weapon skill and a little bit of luck doesn't hurt.
>>342185127
Just the last part
>>342184083
>>342184459
He was Sheogorath
The champion of Cyrodil freed him from his curse and if Skyrim is anything to go by then they became the Prince of Madness
>>342174380
A lot of Empire troops "deserted" to help Hammerfell off the record.
>>342168807
What's depressing is that if Kirkbride had not come up with any of the established lore from MW, TES today would be the most generic uninteresting shit ever.
>>342184757
>The TES universe is cyclical
Is this why gunpowder still hasn't been invented by anyone for the last thousands of years?
>>342185520
going to install Sotha Sil Expanded soon. Any advice?
>>342185703
It has, Redguard had it.
It's just not so widespread. Again, any science is going to be magic-derived. If we have guns, they'll be magic guns.
>>342185101
Sort of like re-enact Roman warfare except with better equipments and the opposing force is a bunch of yellow-skinned, pointy eared faggots who can blast fireballs from afar
Basically real life except with MAGICK
>>342185703
Nirn is a nightmare, so everything is going shit nothing is going better. It is an aftermath
>>342185817
You're welcome to cheat past the sewer maze, I want to redo that sometime anyway.
And stock up on EVERYTHING. Fill yourself to capacity, Sotha Sil's got not much in the way of loot and quite a lot in the way of halls. I placed little spots of resources here and there but otherwise you're on your own.
>>342182803
its a lot of Christian/Jewish/Muslim mysticism and Gnostic ideas which is why its so novel because very few people are familiar with them
So is magic in the elder scrolls a rare ability that some people are born with or is it common within everyone but some choose not to use it?
>>342185623
And now TellTale has him relegated to Minecraft Adventure
>>342186321
Some are more inclined to have it some or not. Some races are more likely to have it (altmer).
>all of these smarmy better-than-thou responses about subjectivity and shit
they're evil little fucks that come from spooky dooky lava land. they're fucking evil you dumb cunts.
>>342186065
Nirn is going to shit from our perspective because this series is about the fall of Man. We, as humans, see this as a negative thing, even if it is the law of this universe that Man must make way for the next Kalpa.
Skyrim is so fucking boring.
>>342172117
>simple
the dunning kruger effect in action
>>342186661
You sound like the sort of man who would also consider a tornado to be evil
>thinking about replaying morrowind
>remember all the furry mods I have installed on it
I mean, I COULD uninstall them or just not touch the game ever again.
>>342166663
>muh cultural relativism
>>342186882
>Want to reply morrowind
>Replay it
>Dice roll combat
>Incredibly slow walking speed
I think I remember why I never finished it now.
Trainwiz do you work for Bethesda??
>>342186321
Most everyone kind of has magic, but it's like running. Most everyone can run barring some sort of defect or accident, but some people can run, and then some people can sort of run.
Everyone's got a magicka pool, not everyone is going to use it, and not everyone is good at it.
>>342187043
>cultural
more like muh dimensional relativism
>>342187085
He never answers that
>>342187047
It's not all that bad. Once you level up a bit and find some good magical equipment you can go sanic speed and never miss an attack.
But, hey, if it's not your cup of tea that's alright.
>>342187092
what the fuck was that guy's damage? Other than being a Thalmor
>>342187230
I mean I remember getting far into it and living with the Diceroll combat and slow as sin walking speed, maybe I've just been spoiled by the modern TES games, who knows.
>>342187393
They certainly do change elements in every new game.
>>342187230
You remember that one play through where you could finish Morrowing in 10 minutes flat by drinking A LOT of skooma?
Like you said, the guy went Sanic and blasted his way to the ending in a very hilarious manner.
>>342187378
Archeron was a Thalmor in name only, he joined up because each one wanted access to the other's resources.
The way I characterize Sotha Sil is someone who loves the world. Not like men, who are okay with mortality or Dunmer, who see things rightfully as a test, but a guy who actually appreciates and is fascinated by its construction.
Archeron is actually a HUGE Sotha Sil fanboy (being a psijic himself), and has the same sort of worldly fascination, but is also kind of the twisted weird kid fascination. So when he studies things it's by burning them under a magnifying glass or pull the wings off a fly. He's kind of got a weird psycho rapist attitude towards him.
So basically, he steals a Sothatech eyepiece, researches deep into Sotha Sil's work, and escapes the psijics with the intent of trying to emulate Sotha Sil, but not having his restraint, empathy, or skill.
>>342186709
It is going shit because amaranth had bad memories before becoming the universe. Not just for men but for all. All thing has a nighthmarish theme
Anybody have the image cap of a 4chan post detailing TES VI beginning with Imperials on a space ship pulling some prisoner out of the Dreamsleeve and helping him reconstitute their race and gender before being attacked by a Thalmor space ship?
>>342187583
Yeah I saw that one. It kind of makes me think, if khajit got their shit together and had a controlled substance usage of skooma on their soldiers and always insured a steady supply, they could be quite an army to be feared.
>>342187047
>>342187230
>>342187393
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>>342187859
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/23746/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/42796/?
>>342168807
It's batshit crazy, that's why
>>342187842
Oh yay I didn't know MK was back on board
>>342188059
Or just
http://www.tesgeneral.com/#!trainwizmorrowindguide/c1ul1
Get Gratuitous Violence and DON'T make a bunch of your skills and spells suddenly useless
>>342175371
Don't Dremoras just spawn back in the realm of their god?
>>342188059
I really have no idea why you replied to all of us instead of just replying to that one guy.
The mods look alright but they're unnecessary.
>>342188097
Not crazy so much as alien to us since most of the people on this board are first-worlders and the lore draws primarily from non-western mythology.
>>342174193
Kirkblade?
>>342188261
Eventually
I want to see one that's gotten so thoroughly beaten down it even ended losing like, an arm (even though it thought that was impossible)
Who or what has the highest power-level in TES?
>>342188354
Please, MK is more of a whiskey man.
>>342188421
You. No, seriously, You as in the entity which controls each Hero exists in-universe.
>>342188421
If you mean things with personal egos, TalOS at full functionality is Lorkhan reborn.
If you don't, then the Godhead is everything that is or ever will be. Anu and Padomay are just the Godhead's ordered and chaotic thoughts.
>>342188257
I just went through your whole guide. I really like it Trainwiz. Most people should refer to this for a good Morrowind experience.
>>342168848
Kek
>>342185531
Man, that was the one memorable quest in vanilla Skyrim. That game did have it's moments, even if they were few and far between.
I'd might actually go back and play that piece of shit, if it wasn't for the combat being completely, and utterly, unfixably bad.
>>342183849
Whatever fuckery the Daedra did to fuck over Jyggalag should be reversible. Once you do, you can travel realm to realm with Jyggalag destroying daedras. At the last moment, when the last prince is dead, and the inevitable battle between the MC and Jyggalag happens, eventually beating Jyggalag as well. You are given the chance to mantle all the princes and rule as the Daedric King/Queen in some twisted realm that is essentially pieces of each smashed together. Plus Fallout 4 settlement building for the entire realm. With real post endgame quests where you need to collect the right ingredients, build the right shit, and portal through to Aetherius or some shit.
There Bethesda, I just made the best main story line since Morrowind, enjoy.
>>342184092
Oh shit, what graphics modpack is that?
>>342175629
Wait a sec, do the ordinators wear armor that looks like that because that's what Vivec used to look like?
>>342188446
>Implying the two are mutually exclusive.
>>342189356
Nerevar.
The ordinators style themselves to look like Nerevar. He canonically had an awesome mohawk
elves can suck my dick
>>342178280
Only because your boss doesn't give a single flying fuck about your welfare. Eat shit, daedric scum.I try to be fair to my atronachs though. They are bound to my will, so it's only right that I look out for them.
>>342189156
>the one memorable quest in vanilla Skyrim
The vanilla game is thoroughly shit in terms of mechanics but lets be real here, there was more than one memorable quest:
- The Hangover set in Tamriel
- Going inside Azura's Star
- Uncovering the Forsworn Conspiracy
- Solving the murders in the Stormcloak city
- Potema's attempted revival
Those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
>>342185835
also fireballs are probably more efficient than a gun anyways
Redguard just hate magic more than Nords do
Any mods that make your weapon skills actually influence your damage with said weapons?
BARENZIAH WAS A MASSIVE WHORE WHO COULDNT STOP IMPALING HERSELF ON COCKS
THERE I SAID IT
>>342190232
>IMPALING
>>342190192
I have an unreleased one for OpenMW.
>>342190437
>cutting off his face
>impaling through and through
>cutting off his feet
He had a hard life.
>>342188572
this
the character that the player controls are literally more powerful than the gods
>>342190437
Didn't Vivec marry Molag Bal and have consentual rape or some silly shit and Dreugh are the result of this or something
>>342183513
My dude, where did you read this? This is legitimately what I believe happens in real life.
>>342187047
>played longer than 5 minutes and didn't realize you need to level acrobatics
You aren't the first of last retard to try and drop morrowind.
>>342168807
it just work
>>342177235
Thing is, Jyggy never learns. He rules the shivering isles in all his fascist boring glory for like a hundred years until he slowly turns into sheoggorath, simply from mantling the title of the realm this happens. Like CoC and the handful of others who mantle sheo.
I want to FUCK Azura.
Sexually.
>>342176170
What really pisses me off is you can't actually be a necromancer. They tease necromancy in so many main and side quests, but you can't actually become Manni's right hand man, learn his power, collect parts, create undead abominations and armies, and slowly conspire to overthrow him.
>>342186321
Discipline and practice. Some people are going to be talented, some people are going to have the drive to do something with their Magicka, but most people will either use no or very little magic. Because it's hard.
