What's actually "innovative" and "original" in the new Zelda, something that's not been done before in an open world game?
Neogaf is having a huge thread about it.
The fact that every world reaction is caused directly by the player and isn't scripted to happen for shock factor.
>>342110670
It's like Morrowind, but with Zelda.
Nothing really innovative about it. The idea of one of those games combined with a zelda style of game is exciting though
>>342110670
Hang gliding old man.
>>342110670
the innovative part is having way worse graphics than from indie game like no mans sky while being a first party triple a developer
It's new to the Zelda series you damned shitposter.
Coming up with something entirely new is nigh impossible now a days.
>>342111314
sly cooper did it better
>>342110670
I'm just happy Nintendo is starting to acknowledge modern gaming.
>>342110670
Open World + Nintendo = Good Game Always
Prove me wrongyou can't
>>342110670
You can climb everything.
![Ck8lLnzVAAA9mzy[1].jpg_large.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pFkWz9q.jpg "Ck8lLnzVAAA9mzy[1].jpg_large.jpg")
>>342110670
is because it has everything in only one game.
Also
>lighting mechanics
I think that's new
>>342110796
>>342111246
/thread
>>342110670
who gives a single fuck about neogaf, they're literally the definition of shit
I think in terms of gaming, there isn't anything that hasn't been done before. Other games did open world, real time weapon change (kek), etc....
What is innovative is that they are taking the Zelda formula and really turning it on its head. They have listened to some feedback, such as everyone liking how open "A Link Between Worlds" was, as in being able to do any dungeon in any order. Also, many people shit on Skyward Sword (justifiably), but the Kaloktos fight is regarded as one of the best fights in a Zelda game ever. Picking up other weapons, which was also in Wind Waker, is fun and Nintendo is finally getting it.
Prediction - This game will play like a greatest hits of all the Zelda games.
Fuck you this is now a gif/webm thread
>>342111637
>no 20 POUNDS OF PUSSY AND ASS
>>342111693
>posts a jpg
>>342111693
>Claymores
>>342111370
If the game looks exactly the same at launch as it does now I'll be very surprised and disappointed.
I don't want to buy an NX and if it has exclusive content for Zelda and no other Nintendo heavy hitters as launch titles then I'll never buy one except 2nd hand years later when the games it should've had at launch are out
>>342110670
Zelda was open world in the beginning, then gradually became more and more linear.
Breath of the Wild may not be that different from current openworld games, but it is what Zelda should have always been.
Maybe the body temperature gauge link has in the demo?
I mean he would actively take damage in the cold section if he had inappropriate clothes on, so maybe it work for hot sections (like the desert and volcano)too where a full set of armor causes damage because it's way to hot.
>>342110670
The enemy AI is pretty advanced. Its not really super intelligent, but it recognizes physics in the environment and uses them to its advantage. For example, in one vid, link threw a torch at two enemies and missed. One of them walked over to the torch and lit their weapon on fire to increase fire damage.
The physics in the environment serving tangible real world uses.
Temperature gauge and needing different clothing for different environments hasnt been done outside 2d survival games like Don't Starve if I remember correctly
CLIMBING EVERYTHING- trees, enemies, and sheer vertical cliff sides is pretty new as well, especially in a world this scale.
As a side note, while not super innovative, fire has never worked so well in an open world game since Far Cry 2. Also, what is innovative are details such as the fire creating updrafts, which can be used to boost your height with the hanglider- and this isn't based on a scripted sequence, but rather the in game physics.
>>342110670
The fire/climbing seems to have a lot of possibilities, on a much higher level than we've seen with most open world games.
>>342111246
this right here
>>342110670
Lighting things on fire = Legend of Zelda
Proper jumping = Adventure of Link
Gliding = Minish Cap
Magnetism = Oracle of Seasons
Climbing = Minish Cap
Temperature hazards = Ocarina of Time
Using Enemy Weapons = Wind Waker
Dynamic wind = Wind Waker
Zelda innovated plenty in the past. Now they're revisiting ideas, and taking them further.
>>342111637
[Tony Hawk's] The Elder Dogma: Shadow of Metal Souls - Downhill Jam of the "Cooking Xenomama Chronicles" Gear Solid II {TURBO HD REMIX} & Knuckles (Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry™ Series)
>>342111679
I can't think of many games that let you plant a fire anywhere then use that fire's updraft to sail upwards into the air before firing an arrow.
>>342112984
Nitpicking aside, I think my point stands pretty well and has been stated by others in the thread.
While nothing may be brand new or super innovative, it is has not been incorporated with all the other ideas in a Zelda game to make this one.
I am personally really pumped for this game.
>>342112542
>Gliding = Minish Cap
Oracle of Seasons had Roc's Cape first, but regardless MM did gliding first with Deku Link.
>Climbing = Minish Cap
Not sure what you even mean here, but OoT had you climbing vines and walls.
>>342111985
I like how the gage itself will catch fire or freeze as Link does.
>>342112542
> Temperature hazards = Ocarina of Time
While OoT did do that, there is a distinct difference between putting a magic tunic to negate temperature differences and the strongly implied possibility of needing to actually dress accordingly base on the environment.
There's even possibly a bigger difference if Nintendo is serious about physics playing a role and wearing a suit of armor on a icy lake could get your ass killed.
>>342112542
>zelda invented jumping
>zelda invented setting things on fire
>zelda invented gliding
>zelda invented magnetism
>zelda invented climbing
>zelda invented temperature hazards
>zelda invented using enemy weapons
>zelda invented dynamic winds
Please tell me I'm a retard and Im reading your post wrong. Or maybe Zelda is a really smart game designer all along.
>>342113503
Innovated within the bubble of the Zelda franchise.
>>342111985
Eh, they technically have that back in ocarina of Time with the red tunic.
If they limited what you could and couldn't wear and were forced to make a decision about it could be interesting. But not if just a matter of going into the menu.
>>342113573
I appreciate how the four guys couch thing is a classic meme that doesn't seem to bother anyone much.
its a combination of games I like and enjoyed
reminds me a lot of dragon's dogma, which i wanted a real sequel to, but capcom just makes resident evil and street fighter now
>>342110670
I see it as HL2 physics engine meet TES: 3-5. If they manage to nail the level design of the dungeons, something Skyrim never pulled off, and balance the damages/prevent food abuse/ take into account the possible physics abuse, it's going to be one of the best game of the decade just because of how ambitious it is.
The other franchises already had open world, with the exception of a few. MGSV, for example, wasn't even really open world—it was open area.
We'll see how this Zelda game is, but if it's really open world, it will be a first since the original.
>literally CAN'T FUCKING SWIM AND FALLING INTO WATER INSTA KILLS YOU
>in MOTHERF*CKING 2016 JESUS CHRIST
>>342113503
It's about having all those things in the same game, especially fantasy game
>>342111985
>Nintendo literally stealing mods from Skyrim and charging money for them
>>342111719I think you mean the better version
>>342113587
Ok. nvm.
in that case you are right. though I wish BOTW would incorporate masks and time/dimension travel as well. Even though its already ambitious, these would be a great touch.
>>342113587
> call of duty ghost
> revolutionary fish AI
> first time in the franchise
I'm fine with them copying from other games as long as they apply their usual polish and charm.
>>342114134
you get frozen and take damage
>>342114134
he died from freezing anon look at the bottom right
>>342114134
>on /v/
>isn't autistic enough to notice the little icey thingy in the corner
>can't realise that for 1.3 seconds, there were swimming animations
I want the normalfags to leave, forever
>>342114134
They might have not yet fully programmed the swimming aspects of the game, and just set the game to initiate that instadeath as a means of saving some time for focusing on other important parts of the demo.
>>342114134
-48°C before freezing is the lowest temperature a liquid body of water could theoretically reach. However, since cold shock response will kill you at much warmer temperatures, it actually seems pretty realistic.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111123133123.htm
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2014/08/25/ice-bucket-challenge/#2e409aae5aef
I wrote this for another thread that 404'd, but that's why Link dies so quickly in that freezing water.
>>342114363
:^)
>>342110670
I want a demo for this. shouldn't be too hard, just upload that shit to e-shop
>>342110670
>What's actually "innovative" and "original" in the new drill, something that's not been done before in a power tool?
Tools In Action forum is having a huge thread about it.
>>342110670
gameplay seems to be the core focus of the entire game.
this is in complete contrast to most (all? I can't think of any game where this isn't true) other open world games where open world mechanics are basically there to let the player start quests in an arbitrary order or do a bunch of side minigames.
>>342114363
no, the swimming is there, just swimming in the water in the ice area (probably without proper heat bonuses) damages you really quickly
>>342114528
dark souls 1
>inb4 not open world
yeah right :)
>people hate nintendo when they innovate
>people hate nintendo when they don't
>>342114704
>people hate nintendo
bingo
sonyponies will bitch about whatever nintendo does
>>342114134
1/10, there was an attempt
The first 30 min demo show link swimming in the pond with that rusted sword and the kokiri.
>>342114595
Dark Souls as a series does have some large, interconnected areas, but they're far to labyrinthine in nature, along with being more of a series of corridors and open rooms in structure, with almost no freedom of movement around them, to really be called "open"
So this is proof that anyone shitposting this game is some NeoGAF sonygger? This thread enough proof for me
What a joke of a forum that GAF bullshit turned out to be.
>>342114704
>different people have different views about the direction nintendo should be going
Who knew?
>>342115019
Meanwhile they'll pray to Kaz in hoping the NX will fail so they can go third party
The day Nintendo announces they're going third party is the day 4chan becomes Sonygger Heaven
>>342111693
my body was not ready for the reveletion of GREATSWORDS
now im all moisty at the office
send help
>>342115019
No listen you stupid pieces of shit, people don't actually hate nintendo, neither do people actually hate any console
Its that there is no arguing with either side, because its only shitposters and overuse memes to make points like "nintentodlers" "sonyponies"
these people are losers
Its the fact that there were fun games all around in this e3, and we all knew zelda was the only thing being showcased, but the fact that you stupid shitty memeposters aren't open to discussion and every thread becomes a "fuck nintendo is shit" "no you are shit" shitflinging we literally cannot discuss the games
>lol you mad?
No, in fact, I don't really care because aside from fucking /v/ of all places I also have friends to discuss hobbies with outside of the internet
just look at this thread
look at it
how are you memeing fucks not ashamed of yourselves
>>342114134
>Temperature gauge fucking freezes.
I guess it bursts into flames when you step in lava too.
>free climbing anywhere and everywhere
>dynamic weather system with wind affecting arrow trajectory; lighting having a higher chance of striking you if you wear full armor
>you can rip off a skeleton's arm and bludgeon them do death with it, or just kick around their head like a soccer ball
>non-scripted, physics-based puzzles
That's about it so far.
>>342110670
it actually mixes all elements of previously done games that were never mixed togheter plus it's fucking zelda
>>342112834
That sounds like the greatest video game of all time
>>342115019
>b-but SONY!
every time
>>342115602
can't find the video right now but during the gameplay demo, link got hit by a guardian's laser and the temperature gauge did indeed catch on fire
>>342114134
Honestly doesn't anyone really care about swimming any more?
Deus Ex 2 and 3 cut it and no one really minded. Hell Wind Waker all but cut it out and that's set in a goddamn ocean.
Unless swimming is fun and a major focus in and of itself like it was MM, there no point to include it in at all really.
It's not like people really swam much back in the day a way.
>>342110670
There is nothing original. And I don't get who is so stupid to argue it is original besides some false flagger or over excited fan.
The novelty BotW brings is the blending of multiple already existing features in a series that was becoming a bit stale.
Yes, everything going of fire was already on Far Cry 2. Yes, physics puzzles were already in Portal. Yes, smart enemy AI was already in Metal Gear Solid.
But the good thing BotW does is to gather all these things together.
The real question here is "Why won't more game developers spend resources in gameplay features like this and not in graphics and storytelling?"
Besides, didn't you guys say innovation is not always necessary? Why now originality and innovation must be there?
Where is the originality or innovation of, say, Horizon Zero Dawn? Isn't it good for what it is?
>>342115694
sounds like mgsv tbqh
>>342116734
Without being too judgemental, there are 2 radically different conceptions in videogames that you can see with the Sony/Nintendo division.
Sony players want mostly settings in their game, and settings can make the purchase of a game worth their money. You can clearly see it with games like the Sly series. In Sly, the environment looks good but the moveset of Sly is very poor, and you're mostly on rails, "press O" to do everything. You find this approach in Uncharted games, gameplay is secondary for a good chunk of the Sony players, they want a show before anything else, hence the movie games;
Nintendo players want mostly gameplay and don't really care if the mascot changes or not. They've been playing Mario, Metroid and Zelda games not because of the coat of paint on them, but because mario is enjoyable to control and the level design is top notch. The same goes for Metroid and Zelda. Zelda combat is piss poor though now when you compare it to souls games and I think that's one of the reasons for why they went the combo/multiple weapons way with BotW. But you can clearly see with BotW that the gameplay is once again the star of Nintendo's game. No matter how it looks, what it will contain, people are hyped because the gameplay possibilities and the gamefeel give good impressions.
You can easily understand why Sony players think that the new Zelda won't be as good as HZD, mecha-dinosaur in a dynamic, looking good, setting is "objectively" better than a game running on a 5 year old technology.
>>342117887
This is an insightful post.
>>342115602
>>342116254
It catches on fire if you walk into a campfire, too
>>342117887
You're a complete fucking retard, sonyponies aka anyone who owns a ps4 are the common man, it's the console most everyone has, there is no inference on one specific type of game, shit like nba2k16, and triple a multi plats are what ps4 owners will play.
There are so many ps owners that value all sorts of types of games, same with nintendo, ps games care about gameplay just as much as nintendo people.
>>342117887
You might be onto something there.
I mean a game like assassins Creed takes place in a wildly new time period with a colossal new world to explore every game. But the gameplay and design is copy pasted shamelessly. And not in the 'if it's not broken' sense.
>>342111531
Other than Xenoblade Chronicles X, is there even any modern-style open world game by Nintendo?
>>342118964
>>342115602
haven't seen the campfire one but here's the guardian laser webm
>>342110670
I haven't seen another open world game where you start fires to create updrafts to help you glide higher.
>>342117887
This is one of the better posts I've ever seen on /v/
>>342114225
>posting the version with my boipussy edit
>>342113243
>gliding
He's talking about the sections wher you glide with Ezlo. Although TWW had the Deku Leaf so it doesn't matter.
>>342110670
Zelda has given enough
Now it is time to take
>>342112834
The Legend of [Tony Hawk's] The Elder Dogma: Shadow of Metal Souls - Downhill Jam of the "Cooking Xenomama Chronicles" Gear Solid II {TURBO HD REMIX} & Knuckles (Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry™ Series) plus Over 20 lbs of Boipussy & Ass
>>342117887
Naughty Dog are 1st party on paper but Sony has no control over what they do, they have a mutual trust but that's about it. And they are the pinnacle of what you call movie games.
So your theory doesn't really hold up, especially considering a lot of (mostly on sony consoles) franchises are purely focused on gameplay
It's just that right now the market does love those types of cinematic games, so the biggest budgets go to them, but gameplay-focused games are always around the corner if you dig deeper.
>>342119160
I'm gonna see the original legend of Zelda but you said modern.
So how how do define 'modern open world' I think is the important question.
>>342119340
Hate to say but it was done in assassin's creed 2.
>>342119572
Ah right, forgot about that. MM still did it first though.
>>342110670
only really cool thing I've seen is the enemy reactions to certain things. Everything else is just a mishmash of a bunch of other things. The physics engine is easily its worst aspect
You can jump
>>342111246
Exactly this. People will play it and love it because it's Zelda. The series has a hefty legacy and this game proves that quite well.
>>342111637
>>342114225
I like how "The Legend of" is nowhere in this title.
Watch this game be completely empty and boring. Zelda 1 had plenty of stuff going on in every screen, and it's hard to compare it to the huge, empty sandboxes that we have today. I'm not excited about it, at all. Zelda 1 just doesn't translate well to 3D, at all.
>>342111693
why does this screenshot actually look good?
>>342120412
if the game was much tighter I think they could pull it off, but they make it fuck huge because that makes it seem more impressive to people who just don't know any better
Who gives a fuck about innovation
>>342120619
hello newfriend
can you tell me who this is
>pic related
>>342119728
He wasn't saying that there were no good gameplay focused games on sony machines or the other way around.
But you can clearly tell which kind of game trusts and pushes each company the most.
>>342117887
Guy you answered to. Yours is a good post and spot on.
But I was talking more in general and not specifically by fanbases. My point was, there is nothing original or innovative in the game but that doesn't make it less impressive in general. Hence why I brought up another game I consider good, Horizon, without being original or innovative as well.
Simple as that, I don't like the fact some people are trying to downplay BotW using the " no innovation" card. Especially when StarFox Zero has been shitted on for being different.
>>342110670
RPG with climbing, sledding, hang gliding, and a physics based world all done with an atheistically pleasing design.
>>342111824
>Claymores
>What is the biggorons sword
>>342119963
Whats wrong with the physics? Being able to interact with the enviironment in interesting ways is probably the best thing the game has going for it so far.
>Neogaf is having a huge thread about it.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to tell us.
>>342122325
they look really wonky like all those simulator games you see on steam. Seems really unprofessional to me and just seems to pander to people who like funny physics games
>>342120235
Because is the unfinished one.
>>342114134
This is the shitiest fucking b8. Like obviously you know what happens in the webm because this same shit is posted every thread. So I just don't get it. How is this thought provoking or useful in any way to make this b8? I get that it's like meta because it's so shit that the repetition of it becomes itself the new form of trolling, but even that is just boring and stale. Please put more effort into your shit posting. I get a sad feeling when I see laziness because there's a lot of decent b8 elsewhere.
>>342122635
He got you
>>342117887
Honestly though, I feel that you are mostly right with just a few exceptions that are notably wrong.
For one, Nintendo fans DO care about mascots and IPs, perhaps more than any other gaming fan community out there, and definitely far mor than Sony. It's one of the reasons why third parties have failed on Bintendo systems over time, too many gamers and fans buy the first party stuff and not much else. It's the reason why Hyrule warriors and Pokkrn Tournament exist, because these games would've failed if Nintendo didn't put a 1st party IP skin coat of paint in them otherwise.
Meanwhile It seems that Sony fans more or less care about about atmosphere and presentation, putting that above all else. It shows with successes like TLoU, Uncharted and the like. These are people who mostly just want to zone out after a hard day of work.
>>342122863
He got you.
>>342122603
this >>342114225 is the finished one
>>342122325
>Being able to interact with the enviironment in interesting ways
Oh I can use fire to fly a little higher with my leaf. I can chop down trees. Yes this is extremely interesting, and won't feel like another gimmick even the fifth or sixth time I have to do it.
>>342123103
Correct. 'Xeno' is actually visible in that one.
>>342123130
Glad you agree.
>>342122279
Actually, there's claymores in general in BotW, labeled as such.
Actually they may be labeled as broadswords.
>>342123103
TY boi.
>>342110670
Absolutely nothing.
But at least they try to get to others studio's level. That's a big step for Nintendo.
>>342123224
Well it was sarcasm, but if you choose to ignore it, then there's nothing I can do to sway a casual fanboys opinion.
>>342111246
Pretty much this. It's certainly not a bad thing.
Name another game with any of these;
1. The ability to surf on land with your shield, and if you do it too often, the shield breaks.
2. An open world with the ability to climb literally any wall
3. A mechanic that freezes objects, and allows you to pumel them, unleashing the kinetic energy from your attacks to solve puzzles
I don't think you fucking can.
>>342123130
Those are game play mechanics that you can take advantage of anywhere. You know what are gimmicks? Cool Items that you only get once in a dungeon and never use them again.spinner
>>342110670
Skeletons are fun
>get to have a wolf link companion
>no midna companion for you to treat as your sex slave
COME ON NINTENDO
>>342110670
>Neogaf is having a huge thread about it.
come back and join them
>>342124078
>2. An open world with the ability to climb literally any wall
Daggerfall
>>342110796
This one is pretty innovative for consoles, yes
The world actually feels alive and interactive
>>342124094
You use the spinner in several different places anon. Not as much as I'd like to have, but yeah.
Most zelda items feel like mere gimmicks really. Their usage doesn't really mesh well with other mechanics, and the wierder they are the less utility they have. For example you can't play the Elegy of Emptyness to have enemies try to attack the statue left behind, and even if you could, it would be useless since there aren't enough enemies that are aggressive enough to warrant using it as a distraction and its faster to simply take them out the normal way, ie. slash them with your sword.
>>342123130
>Oh I can use fire to fly a little higher with my leaf. I can chop down trees. Yes this is extremely interesting,
There are reasons to think these things are interesting, yes.
These aren't scripted events you use to do that cool thing in that ebin part of the plot. You can chop down trees to get wood for a fire, smashing enemies with the falling tree, forming a bridge over a gap, crossing a freezing river, or even use it as a means of transport along said river, because the physics allow for it.
The hot ait going upwards from the fire has never been made before in a game as far as i can remember, and it just adds mobility options to the glider in any situation you can create or find a fire. And maybe even for more stuff outside of the glider, but we've yet to see the rest of the game.
Speaking of fire, it spreads according to the wind direction and there are more than various ways to produce it.
You wouldn't know what shallow gameplay is even if I made you swallow the last piece of shit quantic dream farted for the ps3.
>>342112129
>but it is what Zelda should have always been.
Far Cry 2 had pretty in depth fire elements, but I don't recall any game changing mechanics with it tho.
>>342125401
Accidental green text is unrelated.
But I got that feeling from the video, seemed to capture feelings similar to the original Legend of Zelda
>>342119110
>shit like nba2k16, and triple a multi plats are what ps4 owners will play.
Why is it that people only ever expect Nintendo to innovate? What the fuck about the western developers who literally rehash the same garbage and mechanics every single year and manage to sell fucking millions?
Fuck that shit.
>>342114225
>>342120235
Oh wow, I didn't even see "The Legend of" there initially.
>>342123056
I agree that the mascots have a general impact, especially on parents. When they want to please their kid, pokemon or Mario are always safe, and that's why pokemon spin offs and zelda ones keep selling even when they are meh.
>>342111473
They revealed amiibo two e3s ago mate
>>342125934
Holy shit, Wii U games sell better than xbone
even when Wii U has only sold half the consoles
>>342119262
Holy cows, he got hit so hard that he went back in time and got hit front the front.
