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What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?
https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/729824004215689217
(inb4 "b4nny's a fag", i agree but he's the only one Valve allowed inside their chocolate factory)
>>341879286
Apparently Valve delayed the update to avoid competing with the release of Blizzard's new game, but now that's out of the limelight after E3, they've got a clear road to release.
New weapons and maybe some new maps or even a new mod
Maybe bring some of the playerbase back I guess
>>341879286
I want them to fix the art style.
>>341879485
Yeah, I'd like to see new weapons too. In particular for Medic and Spy. The last time they got a new weapon was in 2012 (the Red Tape Recorder and the Vaccinator). And Engineer, Pyro or Heavy could do with something new too (Panic Attack was kinda shit).
>>341879286
add reinhardt
>>341879286
b4nny's a fag
>>341879286
>inb4 complete rework of spy/pyro
>>341879918
I'd be completely fine by that seeing how any competent player can shit on a Pyro any day of the week.
I bet they nerf pyro through the floor again
>>341879918
don't think they need a full rework, just minor buffs here and there to become useful classes. both are useful in pubs and passable in HL, it's 6v6 where they fall down because Sniper does Spy's job better and Pyro's only useful function is stalling ubers, buff them enough to circumvent those problems and you've fixed the issue
pyro's flamethrower mechanics themselves are pretty janky though, the way the cone works should either be made into hitscan or a jiggleboned object, rather than projectiles.
>>341879286
>competitive matchmaking
yeah about that
>Soldier mains will defend this
i want it and DA nerfed, OP, that's what I want
>>341881023
>nerfing Soldier
>not Spy
>>341879918
nerf them into the ground. shit classes for shit players, should be deleted if necessary, shit shit shit players
>>341879676
this
delete potassium bonnet aka banana hat
>>341879286
So we know this update has to be big since they deliberately avoided overwatch till hype went down
But..a few things can go wrong
-they don't add new weapons, maps, or game modes
This is the biggest thing if they don't get it will chop off the fucking playerbase, cause some of us like myself have been waiting forever
-balancing of weapons
Depends on whether they do it like the gunmettle update and actually change some weapons for the better, or completely balance things "so everything is equal"...i honestly thing the current competitive white list is on point right now, they know what is equal is a sense
-competitive
Pretty self explanatory...i myself who have 1000 hours dont want to play with people who have 50....enough said
>>341881185
>nerfing spy or pyro
getting your ass blasted by the noobest classes I see.
Maybe it's a you problem, mate.
>>341881814
im saying they should be deleted because theyre shit, not because they ever kill me ever. Don't be a retard, idiot.
>>341881649
This, if they don't have new weapons I will be extremely disappointed. I can live without new game modes, though.
Does anyone even play TF2 anymore?
>>341879286
let it die
>>341882531
Third most played game on steam, tens of thousands of people playing. I'm in a fully populated TF2 server right now at 4AM in Australia, and there are about three half-populated ones as well.
>>341882953
>tf2 - tens of thousands
>overwatch - tens of millions
kill yourself
A complete deannoyancefying of what is now an excrutiated game to play. All critz given by weapons removed and all mechanics that take away or otherwise inhibit the player's control.
Heard it had something to do with subclasses or someshit with three new maps.
>>341883764
>subclasses
Oh God please no. They need to focus on fixing the shit already in the game before they even think of adding anything new, let alone fucking subclasses.
>>341883764
>subclasses
I'm interested but it sounds like something they could easily fuck up.
Sniper: Shooter/Archer
Medic: Healer/Buffer
Demoman/Demoknight
I can't think of any others.
>>341883551
>overwatch
kill yourself
>>341883551
tf2 isn't a console shooter.
port it to source 2, please
>>341881023
The speed boost is only helpful if the enemies are bad shots,
The fact that it marks them even after putting it away means if you can pursue them, you are more than likely able to kill them in one shot
I do enjoy using it in tandem with the speed boost from concheror for maximum fast
>>341879432
I love how the sword van is actually in the game now.
>>341883551
Tens of thousands at the same time, not in total.
>>341884070
too difficult to translate the physics over, might as well just make TF3 from scratch at that rate. Valve have officially said to Teamfortress.tv representatives before they have no plans to port TF2 to Source 2
>>341883551
>concurrent players
you retard
>>341879286
>What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?
more modes that use the grappling hook
All I care about now is the comic and I hope this means we'll get another issue soon.
>>341879286
a deathmatch mode without classes could be fun
>>341879286
The only way TF2 can compete now is by adding female skins.
BI
MONTHLY
COMIC
>>341884210
being released on console =/= being designed for console. hl2 was also released in the orange box on consoles but it's a pc shooter.
no tf2 updates have been released on 360 or ps3. the game is much more fast paced than it was at launch. being a console shooter isn't just a matter of being released on console. it's the feel and the systems of the game. overwatch was made for controllers and consoles.
>>341879286
If they don't include highlander in comp I'm quitting and I'll make sure that nigger b4nny regrets it
>>341884018
lol
well they can't go F2P so how about they start paying us money to play.
maybe then people would care again.
>>341884260
>the sword van is actually in the game now.
It is? I know it was used in the Expiration Date short.
>>341884483
>TF2 x-change
Oh boy I can't wait for another patch of shitting on everyone but solider, and all the new items be gimmicky garbage since apparently you can't make a true side-arm anymore.
>>341884483
i would be 100% fine with tf3 being an all female cast.
>>341879286
What it should be
>pyro un-nerfed
>new maps
>removal of all cosmetics
>all players with cosmetics receive their backpack's worth in CS:GO keys, crashing that game's economy
What it will be
>zero balance adjustment
>maybe one or two shitty comp maps
>ladder matchmaking mode with random spread and crits off for tryhard losers
Man launch overwatch made launch tf2 look really lazy.
Just simply things llike ammo left being reflected on the gun model showed blizzards attention to minor details while TF2 has static glitchy models and instances where your character can have 3 hands.
>>341879286
I expect it to be gun mettle 3. Last year they released gun mettle along with the steam sale.
Steam sale is coming next week so...
valve is too afraid to buff weapons to be as good as stock.
>>341884241
>The speed boost is only helpful if the enemies are bad shots
You can use it to get around the map more quickly at any time, without having to worry about the enemy because you won't be facing the enemy on the way to the frontline. Most Soldiers rocket jump to get to the front lines of battle, Escape Plan allows you to run part of the way and get there without having to make further jumps, saving you health in the process.
Also, if your health is REALLY low (say, 2HP) then taking mini-crits won't make a difference, because nothing does less than 3 damage. You'll die anyway.
This is why Escape Plan is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. Its downside is meaningless compared to how good its upside is, so 40% of Soldiers use it in pubs, and 70% of all Soldiers in comp.
>>341884914
tf2 wasn't a $40 standalone release.
>>341884492
>excuses
>excuses
>more excuses...
Must be troubling having to bullshit yourself all the time.
>>341884864
would random spread off effect beggar's bazooka?
>>341879286
[Spoiler]OPTIMIZATION[/Spoiler]
>>341885228
I don't know, but there is definitely a setting already in the game that turns off spread for shotguns.
>>341879286
all I want is an excuse to drop overwatch and move back to tf2 desuI miss old valve
>>341881646
They can't outright delete an item without causing a shiftiest. But what they can do is make more items Halloween restricted. A bit more extreme, they could make some all class items unequippable by all but one class.
>>341884613
It's one of the traps in Snowplow.
>>341884864
>>removal of all cosmetics
ignore them and stop being autistic
>>341884914
What it makes up for in polish, it lacks in game design and player freedom.
>>341884864
>random spread and crits off for tryhard losers
yea what we really need is super crits. A completely seperate chance to deal 9x base damage. GEWP represent bro xd
>>341884914
graphics are the only thing overwatch has going for it
and that's to be expected, given OW's budget
>>341885103
good soldiers use pain train and make up the lack of speed with skillful rocket jumping
escape plan is a crutch
>>341883551
>A newer game is more popular than an older game.
Wow! You're really onto something!
>>341885356
here's your excuse
https://my.mixtape.moe/kmtnre.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/zhxqmn.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/kdbqwi.webm
>>341885356
i played overwatch solidly for a week and then quickly dropped it and went back to tf2. even with all those classes tf2 offers much more varied gameplay and does a greater job of facilitating individual player skill rather than letting everyone win (play on no crit servers if crits are such an issue)
also tf2 has many more maps and gamemodes, and community servers running community maps is something that overwatch will never have. tf2 accommodates both tryhard servers and pub servers so depending on what mood you're in there's always something for you.
i cannot see myself going back to overwatch any time soon. meanwhile my 12 year old sister loves it, probably because blizzard wanted that audience.
>>341884483
it's true, I just bought overwatch and still play league purely because of waifus
>>341885420
Huh, I remember the white van now. I'd never actually stopped and looked at it.
>>341880531
>Playing in a pub
>Girl gamer joins
>someone says "Every girl TF2 player has a circling hearts unusual for Medic and plays Pyro as secondary."
>"That's not always true... It just happens to be true for me though."
>>341885795
Thats fucking horrible holy shit
>>341884291
>too difficult to translate the physics over
This scares me. TF2 still shares a LOT of movement with Quake, same with pretty much all other Source games (unless they specifically remove things like bunnyhopping etc like they did with TF2).
Does that mean Source 2 won't have the same air control and movement 'feel' that I've been used to for twenty years?
>>341885641
escape plan doesn't make good players underperform, so it's not a "crutch"
it's just flat out OP, which is why all Soldiers use it up to Invite level as the majority.
>and make up the lack of speed with skillful rocket jumping
Against an equally skilled Soldier, the one wielding Escape Plan will have an undeniable advantage in options over the guy wielding stock. He can get around certain sections where it's not feasible to rocket jump faster, and he can escape to a pack or medic faster on low health, and he can melee better.
Escape Plan is a buff which Soldier, one of the strongest classes in TF2, doesn't need, and it should be nerfed so that his power is kept in check class-balance wise and the other melees like Half-Zat get a chance at use.
>>341881646
http://www.teamfortress.tv/16179/no-hats-mod
There, the art style is fixed
NEW COMIC WHEN REEEEE
>>341885215
>Points.
>Points.
>More points.
>DOESN'T COUNT! MOM MORE KOOLAID
Take your medicine.
>>341886360Portal 2 was on source and it didn't have air control and Dota 2 doesn't need it.
>>341884210
The XBOX/PS3 version hasn't been update since it release
>>341882098
Pshhh, nothing personel kiddo
>>341885182
It was in 2008 after being split from the Orange Box.
>>341879286
optimization
optimization
optimization
>>341886717
>Portal 2 was on source and it didn't have air control
Shit, seriously? I know Portal 1 did but barely remember anything about Portal 2 other than it had zero physics objects to fling around and be creative with like Portal 1 did (remember everyone that stacked chairs to get into the vent?).
>>341884914
This is an extremely superficial observation. The game plays well and it's fun ? Then it's a good game, i give a crap about the graphics of a 2007 game
>>341886360
>Does that mean Source 2 won't have the same air control and movement 'feel' that I've been used to for twenty years?
Not him but there's also performance issues that stand in the way. Copypasting from
>The best you can hope for is TF2 gets brought up to speed with the versions of Source that CS:GO and Portal 2 (and before S2 hybridization, Dota 2) use. Even that would go a long way. Take a look for yourself, CS:GO on a whole bunch of NVIDIA GPUs versus TF2 on that same bunch of NVIDIA GPUs at 2560x1600 under Linux.
>CS:GO only seems to be starting to hit walls with high-end Maxwell (900 series), whereas TF2 hits walls with midrange Kepler (600/700 series). These tests predate Pascal (AKA the 1070 and the 1080) so we don't have too much in terms of whether or not CS:GO is hitting walls other than the high-end Maxwell cards, but even if it is hitting one (which even a single 1080 test would confirm/deny), that wall is a lot higher than TF2.
>>341886525
sv_pure 1 is in effect on all valve servers and some community servers, preventing visual mods like nohats from working. It's an anti-cheating mechanic which stops people making walls see-through and stuff.
>>341886949
TF2 was always 20$
>>341879286
Just finish the fucking comic arc that's all I want
What's your guys' favorite class gameplay-wise, and personality-wise? If you could pick one class to be your neighbor who would it be?
You may not leave this thread until you answer my questions three.
WHAT is your favourite map?
WHAT is your favourite weapon?
WHAT is your most-played class?
>>341886712
All your points are vague and arbitrary and have no usefulness in an actual discussion. They are literally just autistic ramblings.
>>341886774
Then it should be better than the PC version no?
>>341887314
>If you could pick one class to be your neighbor who would it be?
this is easy, Engineer. all other answers are totally wrong
>sitting on the porch with Engie discussing assorted topics and sipping beer
>>341887410
2fort :^)
shortstop
Scout
>>341887410
Gravelpit
Scattergun
Scout
>>341887410
>favourite mapCactus Canyon
>favorite weapon
Direct Hit
>most played class
Demoman
>>341887410
Upward
Minigun
Heavy
>They move to source 2 and purge everything
>>341887410
cp_steel, the best map in the gameShort Circuit. It allows me to break stalemates on cramped maps by clearing a path through the explosive spam for my allies
Scout
>>341887314
Gameplay = Scout
Personality = Sniper
Still main Soldier and Demo because hitscan is whack.
>>341885795
This shit is in tf2 also
It's just matters less because it affects negligible things like medic needle and pyro
>>341887410
upward
forceanature for jumpboosts from 45 degree angled shots and pushing people off the cliffs
not sure becausei played on parkour fortress mods which forces you to use scoutso the counters are off, but i think it's a tie between soldier and demoman
>>341887410
Pipeline
Ambassador
Spy
>tf2 is 9 years old
Buff Cow Mangler
>>341887021
why? a 2009 mid range card can run the game at 100+ fps, why should Valve cater to people like you with 50$ PCs
>>341888135
I forgot what this thing even does lmao
>>341885795
>>341886282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
>tfw TF2 fags are LITERALLY hypocrites
>>341887410
>Thundermountain
>Loch n Load
>Spy
I don't think anything would bring me back. It's just gotten old and anything new they add will just be spammed until its boring. it would have to be a >%80 overhaul and at that point might as well just make a new game.
>>341888323
DELETE THIS
tf2 is prefect ty gaben ;_;
>>341888323
TF2 doesn't have infinite ammo and just 2 classes can headshot, i don't see the big hitboxes as a problem in TF2
Delete 90% of the weapons and replace them with ones that arent just dumb gimmick versions of the stocks
For instance, give heavy the fucking bofors cannon, 7 years later and i'm still butthurt
>>341887410
Turbine
Shotgun
Pyro or Engineer.
>>341879286
>large TF2 update
Yeah, last three times that I updates with you fags they all turned to be fucking crap
Honestly, I just want fucking competitive/ranked matchmaking. That's all it takes for me to redownload the game.
>>341887891
your image makes that seem like a bad thing
>>341887410
pl_badwater/cp_badlands because I'm boring
Rocket Launcher
Soldier
>>341888496
And none of the pros think it is a problem in OW. Quit making excuses for yourself.
In competitive will the scatter gun have random spread?
>>341888135
Is that a strange painted cow mangler?
>>341888228
used to have 5 shots per clip, now all it does is enable spam and have a supah speshul minicrit shot while having much lower reload speed and being unable to get kritz
>>341888628
Gun mettle was a great update, Tough Break was just a continuation of the previously mentioned update
And guess what ! That's exactly what valve is going to add, COMPETITIVE !
>>341887909
collision hull for projectiles, fire particles, bumping into terrain, and melee attacks.
bulletbox for all hitscan attacks (and maybe splash? not sure).
every class shares the same sized collision hull as Heavy, so that there wouldn't be some small spaces which classes could squish into/bodyblock and others cannot.
TF2's bullet detection is very good, but the janky shit that happens with melee/fire/Huntsman arrows is a combination of individual player lag, the way fire particles work, projectiles NOT being lag compensated. Hitboxes is only a minor part of all the problems, really.
If Valve would just ban 300 ping huehue BRs from joining servers if they topped 300 ping, then a lot of these problems would disappear. I don't see why they have non-region-locked servers seeing as they have servers everywhere anyway.
>>341888135
Buff Cow Mangler
>>341887410
ctf_turbine
Cow Mangler 9000
Soldier
>>341888228
disables sentry guns for X seconds and sets the engineer on fire. Also has unlimited ammo. sometimes if pub players spam sentries I like to bring it out to disable them and Shotgun them to death.
pretty useless in comp of course due to a reload speed penalty, but they ban it anyway.
>>341888228
Downsides:
-Does only 20% damage to buildings -Cannot be crit boosted under any circumstance
-has an unlisted -5% reload speed.
Upsides:
+Does not require ammo
+alt fire that charges up for 3 seconds then fires a minicrit projectile that deals high damage, sets every enemy in it's AoE on fire, and disables buildings for 4 seconds. After the charge shot is released it must be fully reloaded.
+Looks and sounds way cooler than any other soldier weapon
CM is my favorite weapon but it's fucking awful as is
>>341887410
Surf_toast
Detonator
I don't know, I screw around with sniper and soldier a lot
>>341888693
>cp_badlands because I'm boring
be proud of yourself bro, badlands is a beautiful map and you have impeccable taste. Just think, your answer could have been "2fort"
>>341883551
>overwatch came out like a month ago
>tf2 came out several years ago
>Being able to compare the two
>>341888715
How is what i said an excuse ? This literally kills the fun for lots of players, i dont like to get headshot by a spamming Tracer
>>341888743
Don't believe so, pretty sure it's off by default from the last time I read the settings.
Pistol, Revolver, Beggar's Bazooka and another thing I forgot remain random, though. And fall damage taken still has a hidden 20% random variance.
Anyway, everyone, ogle these custom maps
the thing I've always wanted, but never plan to see, is an increase in self damage from explosives
I'd be fine with soldier getting a flat speed increase if they just removed the negligible self damage
yes it allows mobility, but it also makes point-blank range too powerful for soldier
removing sniper would be nice, again not going to happen
I'd like the mannpower mode to get some better balance, soldier and demo are again slightly too powerful, assuming they get the right runes, its boring for them to go for an entire game without dying due to runes
Id like for 'vulnerability' to be removed as an item characteristic
and yes I'd like my second favorite character, pyro, to gain better melee-range damage, at least surpassing other melee weapons
>>341888876
>That KS
My nigga
>>341888715
Who cares what the pros think? getting headshot by hanzo is the most annoying shit to ever grace that game
>>341887410
product
grenade launcher
sniper/demo
>>341888323
this is acceptable in TF2 because it's not a problem, as projectile weapons like syringe gun and huntsman are both terrible and you're gimping yourself if you use them
In OW the hitscan hitboxes are the same as projectile hitboxes, and every class can headshot.
>>341889279
>tracer
>uses hitscan weapons
>not projectiles
>complains about projectile hitboxes
You are literally just making shit up on the spot. Wow, I didn't realize TF2fags were this delusional.
>>341887410
cp_dustbowl
Either Cow Mangler or Pic related
Scout
I have a question.
You know when you walk into a doorway and spot a Sniper aiming at you? You immediately back the way you came, right?
Well, does anyone else jump backwards while whipping their head down and behind them? And does this really accomplish dodging a headshot, or have snipers just plain missed where my head was beforehand...?
Current wishlist:
dx8 allowed in ranked
General optimizations
Machina nerf (was it already nerfed?)
Pyro buffs (to the primaries and flareguns)
Other things that I can't think of right now
Man isn't it cool how b4nny managed to get the pyro, unequivocally the worst class in the game, nerfed by complaining on stream!? Valve must really be listening to the community!
>>341889374
>using the small version
>>341889383
anon i too want pyro to be buffed but pretty much everything else you said is retarded and would make the game slower, more stalematey, and less skillful
>>341886360
If it won't, then TF2 wont get ported over to it.
Don't worry, Valve isn't THAT retarded. They know very well how appealing TF2's movement is. They're best friends with B4nny, after all.
>>341889612
The hitscan hitboxes are exactly the same
Who cares at this point. The game is filled with furries, bronies and literal children that saw some of these ´´´´funny´´´´ videos on youtube with tf2 characters (can´t remember what they are called)
>>341888770
I wish, those things are fucking sweet. Pretty sure they go for like 800 dollars or something
this is a tf2 thread, not an overshill thread
its already dying fast, and it definitely doesn't have a million players here in the states
just let nublizzard choke on its own garbage
>>341889595
>OW the hitscan hitboxes are the same as projectile hitboxes
Source?
Wasn´t there news about valve experimenting with a ranked mode about half a year ago?
It it´s that i might actually reinstall.
>>341889769
>Overwatch will never have this
fucking blizzard ruining a game with such potential
cp_steel is one of the best fucking things ever to happen to this game, i know that sounds like hyperbole but we really need more maps like it. The strategies you can do on that map and the amount of choice it affords players is great.
>>341889842
>talking shit about pootis memes
motherfucker
>>341889803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>341887442
>WHAT, ME WORRY ABOUT CRITICAL BUG FIXES?
You only think you're pretending to be retarded
>>341879286
>>341879863
>>341884549
>>341889742
>>341889780
Who the fuck is b4nny
>>341890001
Hallways are so thin though. I'd love a cp_steel that had more space
>>341889842
Those retarded TF2 videos were the shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylaa1MDTyr0
>>341890114
I think it's pro player drama
>>341890114
le salty froyotech leader who got cucked by his own former teammate
>>341889991
Ofcourse they will never have this because they don't want this.
>>341888373
>Loch n Load
RIP
>>341889680
I fire off a shot and either retreat to cover or move out further into the doorway, pause for a second, then retreat. Gotta move unpredictably. Works every time.
>>341889742
I don't know about the pyro buff, I use degreaser and flare gun and I can easily pub stomp.
>>341890137
good taste
>>341889991
It's a shame too because Blizzard's map editors used to be fucking amazing and encourage billions of pieces of community content, even accidentally inventing a genre.
WC3 map editor and Starcraft: Brood War map editor took up huge chunks of my youth fucking around making and playing FREE fun stuff, it was a goldmine.
Yet Overwatch ships with, what, 8 chokey, sightline-filled maps, and no map editor.
Nu-Blizz is a shame to their legacy.
>>341887410
Badwater
Pre-nerf LnL
Scout because of idling. Spy is my most actually played class
>>341889612
there's no difference in OW m8
>>341889769
you just said that increasing self damage would be 'less skillful'
maybe you can't understand what you're saying at the moment, but I want you to just think about it today
"soldier mindlessly shoots at point blank range, properly takes 120 damage instead of ~50, other player wins the exchange
that is what it always should have been, rocket jumps are NOT something that should be done 3 times in a row followed by a kill for the soldier"
that does not in any way detract from single rocket jumps, juggles, or proper floor shots
>>341890224
Loch n Load is still a great grenade launcher ( only due to the 20% projectile speed, and the 20% damage bonus to buildings comes handy if there are 3 fucking sentries in a corner)
>>341890330
>>341889803
>>341889595
Literally lying through your teeth.
>>341889392
Got a collector's bison to match.
>>341884483
THIS
WHERE'S MY FEMSCOUT VALVE
>>341890428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>341890116
Yeah, true.
So far we have cp_alloy and cp_sulfur. both are reasonably competent maps designwise, but alloy looks the same all the way through, and sulfur looks like an Ikea (because the mapmaker has specifically stated they don't care about making it look like it's from the 60s). But hopefully more will come.
>>341889742
Degreaser+Flare+Axtinguisher was too strong and I love that it was nerfed into uselessness. Eat shit. You could crit kill other pyros with that shit prenerf.
Rainblower+SS/Shotty+Piwerjack/Homowrecker/Third Degree is the best, most fun pyro loadout
>More Soldier weapons and buffs than anything else
>Pyro gets nothing but nerfs to remove absolutely ALL fun from any of its weapons
>Every other class gets an (additional) way of extinguishing afterburn
>>341887410
cp_gorge
Backburner
Pyro
>>341890114
Big competitive name, one of the few people Valve has consulted on making competitive matchmaking, is a very good Demo/Soldier player but has a terrible personality.
>he used to be a Call of Duty competitive player before coming to TF2
>he's broken up two teams in the past that couldn't deal with his drama queen shit
>in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5pZgph_ZaU you can see him proposing nerfs to pyro (a class he has only 17 hours in) and calling airblast "stupidly forgiving", yet repeatedly failing to airblast a rocket properly
>in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkK2flXH68 we see him throwing a tantrum because the rest of his team decided to join in with the enemy team mucking around after his team stomped theirs
>his girlfriend left him for his team's scout main, Clockwork, making him a literal cuck
>>341887593
My very own clone!
>>341890489
Nice m8, fellow alium bro. Never found a collector's set, I'd love one for the CM, but those are heck of expensive
>>341890542
Does this not prove my point?
I want to see the a return to form.
I won't be that lucky.
>>341886267
This
>>341879286
>What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?I just want them to un-nerf the Black Box. What did it ever do to deserve the nerf in the first place? You were sacrificing a quarter of your DPS for meager heals, and now you're usually getting shit out of it unless you're far closer than you usually should be if you want anything resembling alright healing.
>>341890001
THIS THIS THIS
BEHEAD THOSE THAT INSULT CP_STEEL
SO many engie shenanigans availiable on this map
>>341890779
>good demo/soldier player
>implying those classes take skill
>>341890382
if it cost Soldiers significantly more HP to rocket jump, they would just walk around normally more often instead of explosive jumping to conserve HP, hence, less skillful
on top of this, making rocket jumping cost more HP would give a bigger advantage to pockets over attackers. If health cost of a rocket jump was increased to 50, for example, that's a 10HP edge for the guy protecting his Medic with a shotgun on the ground. So this would make both sides more reluctant to attack at midfights
>>341887410
Barnblitz
Crusader's Crossbow
Medic
>>341890827
It proves that hitscan hitboxes = projectile hitboxes
>>341890827
I guess ? Projectiles hitboxes are slightly larger, but hitscan weapons have huge hitboxes too, as you can see in minute 1:06
>>341887410
mountain lab
back scatter
soldier
>>341890626
why does valve hate pyro?
:(
>>341890801
Trust me, the feeling of making your own collector's weapon is so nice.
Too bad that a lot of tradefags are charging premiums for them these days, it's one of the most annoying things of the market I find.
Hell, if I see someone's in the top 500 of Backpack.tf, I refuse to trade them. Ranking on that site is literally how much of a jew you are.
>>341890779
post the video where he rages on his team after getting killed by a scout who "shouldn't push with hp so low"
>>341882519
You are fucking cancer.
New maps and new game modes are what I always hoped for when TF2 came out.
Not new weapons or "muh meta" having to balance so many useless weapons.
Kill yourself cancer that plagued TF2 and brought it to its knees post-f2p .
Make the Halloween-only cosmetic items that actually fit the art style better than some of the "regular" items available year-long FFS.
>>341891038
Just make alt-fire rockets shit for anything but rocketjumping and up self damage taken on regular fire bam solved
>>341882519
>i want new weapons
>i want the game to get even more bloated and unbalanced
be aware that you're the cancer of the game
>>341890874
>What did it ever do to deserve the nerf in the first place?
its equip rate was 20% higher than stock's at the height of its popularity.
it's well balanced now, people still use it frequently in pubs, and on occasion in competitive (roamers combine concheror and black box for very high regen)
http://tf2stats.net/weapons/?sort=equipped
as you can see it's still the second most equipped Soldier primary in pubs
>>341891091
Except he explicitly states that this is not the case? Are you trying to be retarded?
>>341891106
It's not an issue, literally no one but autistic overwatch-haters complain about this.
>>341890874
>giving up a quarter of your DPS
nope
you would have a point if you lost 20% damage like with LL, but losing one rocket in a clip isn't a 25% dps loss. and the heal is still insane.
is it just me or does demo attract the least toxic bunch of players?
>>341891394
demo's toxicity comes form the character himself. The player doesn't need to say a word
>>341891308
It isn't a little, i dont know, anti-fun when a Tracer kills you in 3 seconds without aiming to your head ? I don't even hate Overwatch, i like the game
>>341891308
>Except he explicitly states that this is not the case? Are you trying to be retarded?
I don't know, I only watched 1 minute to see that tracer (hitscan) and hanzo (projectile) could aim at the same place and still get a headshot and that was enough for me
I don't care about your shitty game senpai or this conversation
>>341891106
he did it on the fucking training bots, who are literal squares
those are NOWHERE near actual player hitboxes
dump tf2 webems
or did everyone quit tf2 before webems became a thing?
>>341887410
Gorge
Rocket Launcher
Soldier
Imagine if the back scatter could get back crits from long range.
>>341891491
Get good? Tracer really isn't an issue at all even mecree shits on her after the nerfs.
>>341891501
>wrong about everything the entire argument
>I dont care about your shitty game!!! I was pretending to be retarded!!
>>341891178
Trading is fucking dead, which sucks. I remember sharking so many fucking salvaged crates back before you had to give out your fucking blood type to trade miscs with someone.
Anyone else remember that faggot with the Kermit the Frog avatar that got all butthurt about jewing and started this whole movement to get sharks permabanned?
>>341887410
Harvest
Classic
soldier
>>341891026
I used to be like you but I've since learned
yes, Demo and Soldier take little skill to be effective with (low skill floor), but they take a lot of skill to become extremely effective (high skill ceiling) and that is what f4ggy is, and what I'm talking about.
I'll show you a video of kaidus to help you get the gist of it. This is one of the best Demo players of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
Any old retard can pick up the Grenade Launcher, hold down M1 and get some kills from splash damage, but it takes a really good player to get a midair pipe airshot while sticky-jumping and use said pipe to juggle an enemy player into a stickytrap.
demoman also has one of the trickiest jobs in 6v6 because your main counter, Scout, is fucking everywhere running around like a hyperactive twat.
Again, I agree Demo/Soldier take little skill to play, but they have a lot of room for a player to show skill,
>>341891150
They balance for pubbers who have no idea how to play the game. In the wrong hands, the Flamethrower is the best weapon. You don't have to aim or reload or rev up or anything. Sure, W+M1 won't do shit against a team that knows what they're doing, but that's not who plays TF2 these days.
>>341890617
I actually used Degreaser with a mix of the Shotgun (obv.fine), Flaregun (also fine), detonator (most fun, but garbage except on certain maps), and Scorch Shot (needs a buff as well). Always with the Powerjack, which is still the best melee thanks to the speed bonus for rollouts.
In lobbies I have to use the scorch shot just to do chip damage most of the time. People don't get caught by degreaser bullshit as often anymore and Pyro's job is basically to spycheck and m2 projectiles. It makes you appreciate the weakness of low range and average mobility.
>>341887410
Hightower
Rescue Ranger
Engie
>>341891662
i want a back scatter strangifier
this gun is seriously awesome
why didnt they include strange variant for newer guns
>>341883967
Pyro/Engineer babysitter
>>341884549
Do you have any idea how long the queue times would be for a competitive 18 player game? Where everyone is happy with their designated class? Where nobody drops out or dc's?
>>341887410
Another cp_steel fan here
Not sure about fav wep
Scout
>>341891719
You can't avoid hitscan weapons that easily
>>341891459
I didn't need yer help ya know.
>>341891719
The entire argument? What argument? I didn't take part in your shitty argument you retard.
>>341891038
I wouldn't change rocket jump health costs to 50, I would change it to 120
Im saying a complete correction to the idiotic way this class gains mobility needs to be finally implemented, not some trifling tweak to existing mechanics
why would anyone just take for granted that a class has air superiority over all others? why even play another class if you have the skill to use rocket jumps perfectly?
or are you claiming the soldier is not the main, backbone character of tf2, equally good at all roles?
Should there really be a main offense character, and two lesser flanking characters, and then a big pack of shitty defensive characters, one of which is actually very good on offense?
>>341891192
>>341891286
Nice samefag. 1 minute apart, how subtle.
>You are fucking cancer.
>New weapons and playstyles are what I always hoped for when TF2 came out.
>Not new gimmick maps and gimmick game modes having to download so many terrible maps and totally ignored modes.
>Kill yourself cancer that plagued TF2 and brought it to its knees post-f2p .
>>341891150
Have you seen the stream valve employees did when they first announced matchmaking? The one where they played the game with b4nny?
They were all complete garbage at the game. Like, your mom level of garbage and mostly played pyro.
They think pyro is fine because they are lower than the average brazilian gibus.
i want the caber
bring the caber back
I used to love this fucking thing before they """"""""""""buffed""""""""""""""" it
Now they can't figure out what to do with it. Now it's a fucking joke. You can't even kill an enemy soldier with a direct crit rocket with it.
Fix it, valve
>>341884367
Please no, the grappling hook was a mistake.
>>341891878
I don't know what else to tell you bro but really tracer isn't hard to deal with.
>>341891901
Just stop you look pathetic.
>>341891976
Wow you sure got me you fucking dumbass.
>>341891192
>>341891286
>samefagging this obviously
There's literally nothing wrong with wanting new weapons.
tfw you master overwatch in 10 minutes there's zero depth to the game
>>341892050
its for dealing with scouts
>>341891804
degreaser was nerfed so bad last winter I switched to stock
I kind of missed the puff and sting because I figured the pyro's true strength was ambushing
>>341887410
Process is really fun.
My favorite stock weapon is the Rocket Launcher. My favorite unlock is the Ambassador.
My favorite and most-played class is Soldier with 223 hours.
>>341892078
>you look pathetic
>is trying to defend waifuwatch in a tf2 thread
lel
>>341891228
No, that's bad too. Would these alt-fire rockets come from the same clip? In which case you'd actually be buffing Soldier, and he doesn't need that either. Or would you have them come from a separate clip? If so, where are these invisible rockets coming from?
As you said, these things aren't going to happen. A much more reasonable course of action is to ask that Valve nerfs Soldier's overpowered weapon unlocks such as Beggar's Bazooka, Escape Plan, Disciplinary Action.
>>341891804
Pyro is a better Defense/Support character to be hotness.
SS is so much fun, fuck snipers
>>341892109
>mfw tf2 fags think rocket jumping is "hard" and "skillful"
they're so fucking deluded it's hilarious
>>341886267
it's 100% fucking true, my gf is the same damn way
>>341892109
I am just plain terrible at rocket jumping. Can't even do a double jump off the wall.
>>341892243
>I figured the pyro's true strength was ambushing
You're not wrong. Ambushing will usually give you the advantage.
Make use of weapons like this and the Backburner.
>>341892050
I fucking love the liberty Launcher, i use it with the Concheror and the Half-Zatoichi
>>341892243
>degreaser was nerfed so bad last winter I switched to stock
How fucking bad are you? It's still extremely powerful. you replace any ammo spent airblasting with the ammo of enemies dropped. It's still infinitely better than stock.
>>341879286
>We didn't expect Overwatch to be a big hit and we have to try to fix our game and try to get our player base back.
>>341884864
>removal of all cosmetics
get the mod you fucking pleb
>>341892109
what the fuck, did they update the viewmodels?
>>341892445
the holy triad of crutches
>>341891394
>>341891459
I hate cunty players too, but please don't bring this "toxic" "toxicity" meme to Team Fortress 2. Just call assholes assholes.
Jeffrey "Lyte" Lin, head of League of Legends' social systems team, popularized "toxic" as a vague term for "person in video games who hurts my feelings", and the last three games I've seen it catch on in (League, Archeage, and a KAG server) ended up with draconian moderation policies, banning anyone for any swear words at all like it was Club Penguin, or even for saying "gg" if it could be deemed sarcastic. I don't want to see that hugbox shit happen to TF2 as well.
Don't let Lyte's vague corporate buzzword spread. Just call rude people cunts. That avoids giving developers carte blanche to make their games kid-friendly from complaints they see.
>>341892350
nobody is saying rocket jumping is hard faggot, but tf2's movement mechanics are infinitely more interesting than overwatch.
>>341892557
and i'm saying Demo is an asshole
>>341886267
Not a girl, but I want a circling hearts unusual for medic. I spent all my trade earnings on a professional ks australium rocket launcher
>>341892349
>Pyro is a better Defense/Support character to be hotness.
I have been saying this for YEARS and you people just call me a shitter. By waiting around a corner or doorframe you will have the enemy come into your death range 90% of the time. I don't know why it's listed as offense when your weakness is people more than 5 feet away from you.
You can destroy a whole capture group by attacking them from behind for god's sake.
New TC map
Please
>>341891638
bland but nice taste/10
>>341892463
wow whoever made this image was really mad
>>341892407
Now I am imaging a back scatter scout and backburner pyro working together.
Could be an extremely nasty combo.
>>341879537
lmao
>>341892648
/thread
Pyrofags are actually more pathetic than Battlemedicfags tbqh
You are useless, you were always useless, you will never not be useless no matter how many bells and whistles you get
>>341892715
I've tried that except he was using the Sun on a Stick. It worked better if you ask me.
>>341892101
Laughably easy to edit out the top (You), you fucking dumbass.
>>341892648
t. pubstar
in any level above pubs you just melt to scouts and soldiers regardless of distance
>>341887410
cp_steel
Vaccinator
Medic with 1k hours, 500 or so being with the vaccinator
>>341892790
>being this buttroasted at Pyros
Just move backwards, you fucking loser.
>>341892816
Shame the only way Sun on a stick is useful is with working in tandem with a pyro.
>>341891828
Who cares?
Not everyone has to play the class they want, you can be assigned a random class or do it like LoL where you select two that you want.
And I don't mind 5 minutes of waiting.
>>341892790
stop booly ;_;
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>>341888143
>why? a 2009 mid range card can run the game at 100+ fps,
t. someone who hasn't played the game since 2011
>>341891635
I never understood surfing. I would just drop after the first whatever yet I see vids like this
>>341893012
what does t. mean?
triggered?
>>341887410
Dustbowl
Natascha
Heavy
>>341891394
Scout and Soldier attract the biggets tryhard faggots
>>341891302
>its equip rate was 20% higher than stock's at the height of its popularity.
Well fuck, I guess that explains it. I remember falling in love with the fucker back during the F2P update, and constantly getting shit for using a weapon that wasn't Stock. Guess it's good to see public opinion turn for the better about it, but I'll still miss the old fucker, it taught me how to predict enemy ground movement and how to hit and run effectively.
>>341892918
>in any level above pubs you just melt to scouts and soldiers regardless of distance
In any level above pubs, if you're charging to meet any class directly on, you're going to get shot down before you ever reach them you dingus. Obviously you don't fucking charge at them. You WAIT for them and catch them off-guard. There's very little anyone can do against a well-laid Backburner ambush, regardless of your skill. Only the reasonably paranoid who check over their shoulder constantly have a decent chance.
I don't think you play Pyro. I'm convinced you don't.
>>341887410
Gravelpit
Scorch Shot
Scout
>>341892350
>mongoloid-foreheaded anime and nigger talk
Opinion
In
Trash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDwLJVAqDqA
good luck pogoing, syncing and climbing, anime shitposter. oh wait, you can't
absolutely nothing in Overhyped is anywhere near as skillful as rocket jumping
>>341893114
it's a finish thing, think of how you put "sincerely" or something similar at the end of a letter.
anyway, I don't know when you last played TF2, but it's a fucking unoptimized mess. My friends had to lower several settings just to maintain over 60fps, it's fucking ridiculous, there are so many useless effects it murders the framerate on a game that shouldn't be having these problems.
>>341892557
toxic might not have been the best word to use but you get the point
>>341893012
t. someone who still uses an integrated GPU on his moms laptop
>>341893449
the game runs fine, you just have to turn off steam cloud and then reinstall
Comic when?
>>341893449
Finnish*
>>341893492
the game is unoptimized bub, it doesn't take a genius to figure out.
>>341893170
it's still a good weapon anon, you should be able to continue using it in competitive matchmaking if you want to (it's best paired with conch for that sweet rapid regen, allowing you to keep yourself alive even without access to packs or a dedicated Medic).
>>341893432
how about you try showing these EBIN MANEUVERS inside an actual game instead of a vacuum? Anyone with more than 3 hours can climb a fucking wall as soldier+regenerating hp you fucking mong
>>341893594
it's not though
>>341893582
>you just have to turn off steam cloud and then reinstall
the fuck? What for?
Just please fix Pyro.
>>341884382
>>341884486
>>341886643
>>341887313
>>341893583
They wrote themselves into a corner in the latest issue, though.
>>341893681
steam cloud is fucked for TF2
if you ever played the game on your steam account a long time ago, steam cloud always reverts your settings back to the old deprecated standard
essentially you're still playing the same install of the game you played 7 years ago
>>341892557
Toxic sounds like a word Tumblr or Sjws use because they don't want to say cancerous because they'll offend Cancer victims
>>341891002
>Putting a mini on the lower ledge at last point
>Watch fuckers get pushed in the void over and over
Never gets old
>the 11 overwatch threads couldn't contain all the autism so it leaked into a tf2 thread
>>341892243
>the pyro's true strength was ambushing
I think Valve wanted this to be true but he sucks at it. He doesn't have anything that actually helps him get behind enemy lines like Spy does. Even Soldier has rocket jumping and self healing to make sneaking behind enemy lines a breeze. Then there's the Scout which is an amazing ambusher due to his mobility and burst DPS but is also the best 1v1 class in the game.
I guess he still has Flare and RS combos but those do the kind of damage Scout and Soldier can do with just M1, especially post-nerf
>>341893747
>They wrote themselves into a corner
How?
>>341893856
haha holy shit are you serious? I can turn the steam cloud back on after re-installing right?
>>341889769
The ones I've played
>metropolis
decent enough, different aesthetic for people who always wanted a cyberpunk map
>glacier
decent, point b gives the defenders an obnoxiously big highground tho
>twin falls
fun, a bit sniper friendly but nothing a sticky jumper can't fix
>cashworks
decent
>effigy
Decent, but the custom model cart clips through players like a motherfucker, someone needs to fix that shit. Also needs a proper cart progress hud.
>jungle
Combines the twin evils of huge sightlines and 2fort-tier sentry nests.
>pier
fun, albeit a bit too long
>shirouma
fun, although I remember the point being a bit dark
>whiterock
I think I liked it?
>rocktop
decent, but the point is a bit cramped for my liking and the walkways going to it are narrow as well
>swiftwater
its fucking swiftwater
>antiquity
I liked it
>winter ridge
cp_orange-tier sightlines on the point
>helm's deep
the paths to point c are meatgrinder gauntlet chokes
>angkor
its okay
>beerbowl
final point is a bitch
>furnace
its okay
>cranetop
neat variation of payload, although a bit of a clusterfuck in practice
>sollytude
medieval koth, not much more to say although players have a habit of getting distracted by the huge side rooms
>box canyon
neat, but requires teammates to cover the cart pushers
>overgrown
2nd point too close to the first, defenders have no time to regroup
Why couldn't you love me
>>341893934
>the australium extractor machines are going to kill the team
>they already grabbed them
>meanwhile, the only allies they have are dead (Gray) or in the other side of the world (the other mercs)
>>341893924
>someone makes a comment about overwatch
>10+ posters respond to this comment
>lol why is overwatch in my tf2 thread
it really is just too hard for /v/ to ignore a single unrelated post
>>341893983
no don't do that
I used to have low FPS and stutter in TF2 no matter how many times I reinstalled, but then I found out about this steam cloud thing. my problem was that steam clouds save for my account was completely fucked with out of date mods and other shit I tinkered with
since then I always recommend doing this to everyone having problems with TF2 and it always works
>>341894205
it's absolutely ridiculous that valve still hasn't fixed this
>>341894159
TF2 has autists as overwatch does. Autism breeds autism. The thread is filled with it and it's hard to scroll past. I'd be up for a new clean thread.
>>341891150
It's not Valve per-se, it's the vocal salty F2P kiddies constantly getting roasted in pubs and whining long and hard on the steam forums because they mistake a low skill floor for actual functionality at any level of play
>>341894137
I dont think Ive ever actually played it
>>341893639
Obviously you haven't watched even a single competitive tf2 match. Go educate yourself before you post and no I won't spoonfeed you on a specific time they use it
>want to make a baseball loadout for scout
>remember i don't like the sandman and have always used atomizer
i guess now is the time to learn those baseball arcs
>>341894141
>Robots that suck blood
>Demoman's blood
C'mon, you can clearly see where this joke is gonna go. Robot sucks his blood, gets drunk, destroys the other robots. Why do you think the demoman is the only one who isn't being drained yet at the end?
>>341894337
That's because it's largely unknown. Everyone just takes every problem as "oh the game is just shit and old" and steam cloud is on by default for everyone, so noone ever finds out about it
>>341893326
Different anon. In HL, you will always find scouts and soldiers to be the ones contesting the flank. Pyro melts to scouts and soldiers and thus sits with the combo, protecting them from spies and soldier bombs.
Also consider that many HL maps have a single flank that tends to be wide open (upward except for second, note that the path to the flank on last can be easily called out if a pyro goes there; ashville, badwater).
>>341894429
Didn't they make a joke near the end that Demoman was getting so sober that he started hallucinating?
>>341890276
literally all they have to do is copy tf2 again with the stamp system so they can make money off community maps added in, too. just make them have their own gamemode for customs so people cant bitch whenever customs show up
>>341879286
WHEN
ALSO NERF QUICKYBOMB LAUNCHER
>>341892969
>5 minutes of waiting
>for matchmaking to try to find 18 random players of similar skill level and connection strength
Yeah maybe if both sides started out with a 6s teams adapting offclasses, on a good day.
>>341894141
>the australium extractor machines are going to kill the team
>they already grabbed them
They're designed to process Australium and normal human blood, a taste of the Demoman's blood is going to completely fuck them up
>>341894137
Matches almost always went one of two ways, constant stalemate or complete landslide for one team. It was a neat idea, but not balanced at all.
>>341892657
TC's kind of bad as a mode, I'll extrapolate on why.
We can all agree that stalemates are the worst thing that can happen in TF2, because neither team gets any closure. Everyone is a loser in a stalemate. So, the point of objectives and timers is to avoid stalemates.
Depending on what the objective is, it might be suited better to defenders, or to attackers.
King Of The Hill, for example, is the most attacker-friendly mode. If you don't go to the middle of the map and stand on the point, your team will lose. This means the fighting will always happen, because both teams always want to be attackers, and if you don't attack, you will lose. Thus, stalemates cannot happen.
However, modes like Capture the Flag and Territorial Control are defender-friendly. The objective is right near your spawn, encouraging you to stay there. It's easier to defend your own base than it is to walk all the way to the enemy base, pick up the enemy intel, and get it out of their base past 1000 Sentries and Heavies. If you make an offensive push, you leave your defense open, and you allow the enemy an opportunity to kill you and then attack your base.
This means neither team wants to attack first and put themselves in that position, causing stalemates to occur as neither team attacks, thus not playing the game. So, stalemates are VERY common in tc_Hydro.
Territorial Control needs an overhaul to fix these problems before it gets another map.
>>341894559
Actually the joke was that they gave him regular water instead of booze and his body was so unused to it that he nearly died. They didn't specifically say he was sober though.
>>341893598
>(it's best paired with conch for that sweet rapid regen, allowing you to keep yourself alive even without access to packs or a dedicated Medic).
I won't lie, that was my initial reason to use the Black Box way back when. Is the Conch really that good? Does it still work well if you love rocket jumping around the map? I haven't played much since they nerfed the BB.
>>341894794
Yeah I'm reading it now and I completely misremembered that part.
So I guess they didn't write themselves into a corner after all.
>>341894137
Loved you ever since launch, tc_hydro
I admired you more for the complexity of the level design rather than the fun though.
>>341894137
>final point defenders have no enemy point to capture to end the round early
>must defend the point without setup time for 15+ minutes
how do you goof map design this hard
>>341894674
>>341894674
WHAT IF they overhauled individual TC matches into KOTH matches instead
So whoever holds the point the longest gets that territory
>>341894141
You forget about the Medic. He's still on the Old Merc's team and he's ready to betray Classic Heavy
>>341894674
Huh, that actually makes perfect sense.
>>341894137
>tc_hydro is back in the rotation
>>341895187
>yore
>ugleh
WHEN THE FUCK IS THE ANON WHO RUNS THE /V/ TF2 SERVER GONNA POST DETAILS SO WE CAN FUCKING PLAY???????
>>341894082
every single custom tf2 map is good confirmed
>>341894674
I recently played a modified form a hydro that turned the regular sections into 3 cp maps. It was much better, but then again a bunch of alternate routes were also added.
>>341887410
cp_well
rocket launcher
soldier
>>341894819
>Is the Conch really that good? Does it still work well if you love rocket jumping around the map?
It's not ridiculous or anything, but widely agreed to be Soldier's best Banner. Since you quit, its health regen rate has been changed from 2/sec to 1-4/sec (rapidly scales up after you take damage).
>>341895175
That's a fascinating idea. It would sort of be like multistage koth. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't improve massively on the current situation.
>>341892715
>>341892816
I've found the backscatter to be better on defense than offense, I'll give you that.
>>341894819
Conch sort of got nerfed to where you regen at a slower rate if you took damage recently. The longer you stay out of combat the faster you will regenerate. I'd use BB or Conch, but maybe not both if you're roaming alone.
>>341895424
Second this would be nice to know.
> join a server
> red is open, join it
> relatively close points on red
> blu is mainly 20 or so points and one guy with 300+ carrying the team
I'm not the best at TF2 but getting stomped is no fun. I'm sure you can find a pro server on which you can play excellent Soldier on, because you don't play enough TF2 as it is.
>>341890489
>>341890801
Question
Do collectors items actually show who crafted them?
thanks anons this was a comfy thread with good discussions
tf2>overwatch
>>341895959
keep it a comfy thread about a game by not mentioning another game. You fucked up retard
>>341887410
Steel
Stock Rokit Lawnchair
Solly
>>341895424
>>341895853
Isn't that server dead as fuck now?
accurate anons?
i would consider "power class" to mean "able to take on multiple opponents, survive on an objective, act as a frontline"
"pick class" is any class who hunts and kills high value targets
"support class" speaks for itself
>>341894819
I always run shotgun with BB. If you're good with shotty it's like having a second primary and the -1 clip disadvantage evaporates when you've got a 6 shot reserve.
But conch regen kicks in really hard on Arena or any map where you can't just respawn and roll out again instead.
>>341895186
>so fucking ready to see medic go NUCLEAR
>probably going to do some super fucked sciency shit on himself/the others to better fuck up classic heavy and the robots
update cannot come soon enough
>b4nny is still trying to make comp tf2 a career thing
why didn't he just learn from his shitty pal clockwork and ditch tf2 for a bigger better game?
>>341896163
It only comes to life when the guy posts the server deets here, and even then it's pretty weak.
>>341894674
that's weird, every hydro match I played seemed to be under 30 seconds long rather than stalematey
>>341896175
Accurate except for Scout.
>>341895682
>ts health regen rate has been changed from 2/sec to 1-4/sec (rapidly scales up after you take damage).
Well shit, looks like I might have some experimenting to do here.
>game is like 10 years old
>constantly adding new items just to jew out the players, many of them completely ignoring the design philosophy
>the game still has beta HUD icons, outdated, and lazily made, weapons and hand view models
>>341896240
but clockwerk is still playing TF2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsH0ZXWeZZs
>>341896254
that's because hydro's other big failing is that if the teams are even slightly unbalanced, instead of having time to rally and fight back like other modes the first solid push will crush you
unlike other modes like 5CP or A/D or Payload, there is only one point to be capped once to win, so wins are much quicker
stalemates occur on hydro when the teams are balanced and equally strong
>>341896289
TF2 also created the marketing scheme nobody asked for
>>341896415
>he's literally on an OW team
>this video is from fucking February
sad
>>341896289
>all the cosmetic shit is actually making the game run like shit on some machines because the old ass engine can't handle like 3 hat entities x 24 being present in an average game
game either needs a serious optimization patch or at least an option to disable hats on your screen as a band-aid solution.
I'm still gonna play overwatch instead
>>341886360
its not that it can't do this, it's that the mechanics are different, since it isn't using havok anymore
they can't just simply port it over because it would fuck with the current physics are throw so many people off
>>341896269
would you put him as pick/power then? or even pick/support?
i would say no matter what, he's definitely got a little bit of pick in him, since both in HL, 4v4 and 6s his job is hunting the wounded
>>341887442
Is this bait, or are you genuinely this retarded/ mad.
>>341886267
that's true, but from personal experience I've seen more girls play Sniper instead of Medic
Is the ubersaw crit rate at like 70%?
>>341896558
just buy a 100$ PC
>>341896558
>or at least an option to disable hats on your screen
not just hats, skins too
they're the bigger problem which forces people who can't run DX9 to run DX9 to see the skines
>>341892109
That can't be normal gravity.
what if they add newclass?
>>341896728
All melee weapons have a higher crit rate I think
>>341892886
>unsymmetrical
triggerd
![c_demo_cannon_large.a49b81c586d12e91ce9dd8dff86948f89a5442c8[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/N65oOgz.png "c demo cannon large.a49b81c586d12e91ce9dd8dff86948f89a5442c8[1]")
>3000 hours
>6k kills on Loose Cannon
>still can't consistently double-donk
>lucky if my donk rate is even 10%
I swear this weapon is the fuckiest thing ever
Hitbox feels so small it may as well be a dust mote, not to mention how many donks don't register despite hitting the same target twice
>>341896558
Oh yeah that too.
My shit PC exceeds the minimum requirements and used to play it on ~medium without hassle when I started. I tried it again a few years ago, sometime after the first particle effects were added and I actually had to download a few skins that optimize the world models to play it smoothly on24/7 TDM maps. I'm pretty sure it would just crash now.
>>341896947
I never charge it and use it exactly like the sticky launcher.
Idk how but I always get donks with it
>>341896728
base melee random crit chance is 15%, max melee crit chance is 60%.
crit chance increases with the damage you've done, or if playing as Medic or Engineer, the damage that your heal target/Sentry has done.
Since the Ubersaw normally gets pulled after the initial fighting has happened, it means that Medic's crit chance will probably be very high from the damage his ally did in the fight.
Anyway Ubersaw is OP and I want to see it get any of the following: a damage penalty, increase to its swing speed penalty, or reduction of its uber on hit from 25% to 20%.
It allows Medic to build his Ubercharge 35 seconds faster than normal, and the only penalty he pays is swinging his melee 0.16 seconds slower. It lets a brief mistake by one of your allies lose you all the game.
nerf ubersaw volvo
>>341879684
I agree. Medic and spy are the classes that are the ones that has the potential for most interesting weapons and alternatives, due to how the classes work.
And I fucking wish they would stop the bullshit and just make the uncloaking sound have a limit to the range of the sound, partly to get around cheating through replacement of sound files and also to make the class more reliable. Not asking for anything short, it can be a fairly long range for all I care, I just want a way to know for sure that no one hears me rather than guess whether the enemy is wearing good headphones or not.
>>341892524
No, he's just using a higher viewmodel
>>341897157
how da fuk does every nigger with the katana always crit then
>>341891870
>STOP HAVING FUUUUUUN
>>341897256
nipponese steel folded over 100000 times
>>341895959
I like both
go fuck yourself
>>341893639
>actual game
https://youtu.be/m1GD0ND8Lrs?t=565
everything from that point onwards
>>341897089
Links to those skins?
>>341897256
Two reasons.
1: Demoknights' shields cause them to deal a guaranteed mini-crit or critical hit once they've charged a long enough distance.
2: Demomen generally do a lot of damage.
>>341897256
zatoichi can't even crit without a targe
>>341879286
more hats
>>341896784
it is though
>>341897256
>>341897610
Oh also they recently changed the Half-Zatoichi to have no random critical hits, so the only explanation now is (1), or if the Demo is being Kritzed.
>>341893639
specifically this bit
https://youtu.be/m1GD0ND8Lrs?t=718
>>341897734
why do the fun police always have to ruin my good time
>>341890137
Fucking ARMaster. I'll never forgive him for leaving Shendileers for dead.
i hope they buff pyro in a way that makes it skilled
that afterburner weapon looked cool, they could include that
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93466319
>>341897529
Got them off FPSbanana, I don't remember whats the correct term but they basically removed all the shine from models. Tbh it actually looked much better too. You also got a shitload of low polly and whatnot skins
That was ages ago though, I seriously doubt whoever did them is still updating them. So idk if it will still boost the performance that much, plus it will look retarded when every model released after 2013 will look different than the older ones.
You people realize pyro wasn't nerfed right? The degreaser is only worse against 125 HP classes after tough break, and is in fact better against everyone else. The stock flamethrower got a straight buff. silly pyro mains..
>>341879286
Tutorials for every class.
New medi gun for Medic.
New buildings for Engi.
Fix the fucking hurtbox on the Huntsman.
>>341898084
pyro needs to turn into a DM class with mobility.
>>341898105
that's just mat_phong 0 you tard
>>341898119
tesla coil that destroys projectiles for engi (replaces turret)
y/n
>>341898107
>>341898132
bring back original axtinguisher
>>341898515
>place it next to a friendly sentry
>win
I don't know man.
>>341898897
ubercharge heavy
>>341898107
pretty sure this was bait, but I'm here to educate
>You people realize pyro wasn't nerfed right?
degreaser was in fact effectively nerfed due to a bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Az-g0YIIpk, as well as actually nerfed by having its maximum airblasts possible reduced and having its afterburn damage turned into 20 over 10 seconds (aka never going to kill anything ever)
stock flamethrower getting buffed by 10 damage per second doesn't mean much when Degreaser was the best primary and the top of the power level for Pyros; it just means that all Pyro primaries are roughly equally terrible, instead of just one of them being good
airblast having its movestun removed was a fair and good nerf, but still a huge nerf which they didn't sufficiently compensate for with counter-buffs. 6s Pyro's ONLY job is to stall Ubercharges with airblast, and with stunlock removed it became a lot weaker at that
axtinguisher was nerfed and is now utter trash, it used to do 195 damage crits now it does 131, takes a whole second to equip, and has a 20% attack speed penalty. This means it does less DPS than the Flamethrower, and since doing more DPS than the flamethrower was its only job, it means pyro's only competitively viable melee options are homewrecker (if engie present) or powerjack, thus reducing the range of situations where it's a class worth choosing.
Phlog was also totally ruined, pre-TB it had a use in capping control points with the damage resist and heal, which is no longer possible during uber. It's still cancer in pubs, but no longer even slightly relevant in comp
Overall yes, Pyro WAS nerfed
anyway I'm outta here as it's 4AM so don't bother replying anon, not gonna stay up to argue with a shitposter, just here to show people why you're wrong
>>341899137
how fun! can't wait to have to push last with a heavy every game!
>>341899137
I guess.
>>341898515
nah this is a bad idea
wouldn't mind seeing a tesla coil in general, though, just not one that destroys projectiles
>>341899159
the degreaser, the only used primary, is now more effective than it was before. therefore pyro was buffed.
>>341879684
don't save my images and repost them, this is a custom image i made with a shitty watermark in mspaint, and the fact that i can't repost it means you stole it from me.
>>341899450
this is the last time I'll be caught and then I'll be closing this thread
>no longer provides all-around swap speed, only bonuses to itself, meaning that for example quickswap between melee and secondary is not boosted
>afterburn damage reduced from 40 damage over 10 seconds to 20 damage over 10 seconds
>airblasts total reduced from 10 to 8
>airblast no longer chain-movestuns, meaning enemy Medics can wriggle free
AND
>as a result of the update is bugged not to provide any additional bonuses to anything if it hasn't been out for long enough
all in exchange for a 10 direct damage per second increase when the main use of degreaser isn't even its direct damage?
no, it is not more effective than it was before, and you're a moron or a person successfully imitating one. night cunt
>>341894137
>jump into tf2 one day
>there are multiple full valve servers running hydro
what did they mean by this?
>>341887410
gravelpit
detonator
pyro
>Main pyro
>Every time I play pyro I think "why do I play such a weak class"
>almost never feel like I matter against a good team outside of uberbusting
>just spend most of my time making people mad at the backburner on scrub servers
Pyro doesn't deserve this
>>341897157
There should be some debuff, no reason to use any other melee weapon for medic really.
>stop playing TF2 since february or so
>check back
>jack shit has been added
Seriouslly?
>>341887410
process
rocket launcher
soldier
>>341902226
It's coming anon, be patient. We're about to get a new update in the coming months and we've had way worse droughts.
>Played since the Sniper Vs Spy update
>Been getting progressively more bored with the rise of that shitty marketplace
>That god awful halloween event finally killed the last of my interested
>Overwatch comes out and blizzcucks start bragging it's better than Tf2
>Tf2 killer
>RIP valve
>Get fired up and start playing it again just to spite them
Company wars are a powerful thing.
>>341902226
How did she not get thrown out for using CQC during soccer.
>>341891798
Just sticky spamming constantly. When will Valve patch that shit. Demo is meant to be a defensive class. Why the fuck does he have two primary weapons which are both incredibly overpowered in offensive and defensive scenarios.
>>341887442
Don't get me wrong, you're loon as a fucking toon, but does anybody play PS3 TF2 anymore?
>>341902910
>overwatch
>tf2 killer
>tf2
>16v16 matches
>overwatch
>6v6
>tf2
>9 classes, each with a variety of playstyles for each class
>overwatch
>21 (iirc) heroes, all stuck with one playstyle
>fucking ultimates in a goddamn 6v6 match
>"""tf2 killer"""
>>341901087
I usually play Pyro on defense to counter roamers. That includes Soldiers, Scouts, Spies, and the occasional retarded Heavy. Pyro is pretty good in this role. Fire wrecks Spies period and airblast is good at keeping up with Scouts and Soldiers. In essense, I think Pyro is good at playing a semi-supportive defensive role. Throw a Homewrecker on him, and you're essentially playing pest control and it's pretty fun, IMO.
>>341902910
OW didn't even dent TF2's playerbase.
I like TF2 better though.
>new fucking hats
Wow, no one gives a fuck.
I love what they did with the chocolate bar.
>>341887410
process
rocketlauncher
scout
>>341903153
she's a woman so it's OK
>>341903907
Yes yes TF2 is dead and hats killed it. Thanks for stopping by.
>>341899803
Are you autism?
>>341893449
>>341893594
Bad optimization sometimes just eludes some.
I've had three computers(4 if we're to count graphic cards) and none of them had one issue with DMC3.
Would a Source 2 conversion help TF2? I've heard people on /d2g/ say it runs even worse.
>>341903553
>>341901087
Pyro is so much fun and is only inherently weak if the player isn't very good with him
He's a long range sniper/medic/engie harasser, he can waste enemy ubers, if he can flank around the enemy he can be a deadlier disruptor than the Spy, he's the best target for a quick fix uber, he's the best synergy with a friendly engie, Third Degree is used so little you can usually kill a medic before he even realizes what is happening, you can stay on the backlines to keep your team alive via extinguishes and airblasting projectiles and help against pushes, he's the best spychecking class (obviously), if you get a decent angle on a sentry you can kill it in under a second, three if the engie is present... He's just so versatile and fun to play.
All that said, yes, he is weaker compared to classes like soldier and scout, but he is around the same level as the heavy. They just shine in different departments.
I want it to be 2011 again. Can this update provide that?
>>341887410
2_fort
Darwins danger shield
Sniper
>>341889769
Hold up. What's this?
I haven't played in a while.
Are these maps currently available? Are theyfree?
>>341904993
Pyro is counted by good aim
>>341899974
No you kill soldiers and demos and medics and heavies faster while killing scouts/snipers/etc. marginally slower, so it's better
They need to work on performance before anything else. This game runs like hot garbage for something that came out in 2007. I used to run this game on my 8800 back then with no problems at all. Now my meme70 that's able to run 2016 games in max quality can sometimes dip bellow 50 FPS in large fights.
>>341904993
>Third Degree is used so little you can usually kill a medic before he even realizes what is happening
Are you playing against potatoes or something? I find hard to believe you'd be able to do this without the Medic's patient realizes someone's whacking him with a toy and tears you to shreds.
>>341905364
Not that guy, but provide proof to your statements.
>>341887410
BadwaterMarket Gardener
soldier
>>341905537
All flamethrowers including degreaser do more damage since tough break, mostly due to the falloff tweaking, so everything dies faster except the 125 hp classes who died marginally faster before because quickswitch airblast -> flare gun killed them slightly faster than it does now.
Why did they never truly follow up on the sticky nerf?
Would have been more fair to give demo a shotgun than keep stickies being used as offense.
Seriously it's like they thought the grenade launcher was just too hard or something? I use it primarily with a sco-res
Removal of weapons.
Overwatch has improved TF2 by tenfold. Now the annoying bronyfags and tumblrites have a new game to move on to and make into a retarded meme game
Is it so much to ask to have a flamethrower that has an improved airblast at the cost of damage?
>>341905143
Everything is countered by better aim, you twat. Water is wet.
>>341906064
this, but I never really hated the community in tf2. It's better than gmod's TTT community by far.
>>341905461
This is TF2. The playerbase isn't exactly made up of brain surgeons.
Killing 2 people in one swing is a great feeling.
>>341905880
That only applies to extended ranges, my dude. There was no damage ADDED to the flamethrowers. The max potential damage never changed, just the falloff. Thus, the damage is exactly the same as it's always been, just more consistent. Degreaser in particular had damage removed via afterburn.
>>341906286
Literally everything is better then any community on gmod.
>>341906154
Pyro isn't particularly mobile and doesn't usually have classes supporting it
I'm not talking about perfect aim, I'm talking about ok aim, at a point there is literally nothing pyro can do against every other class in a straight up fight
>>341893675
Have you even played the game?
I tried booting it up and on a server with 24 people I drop to 50 fps. FIFTY.
3 years ago I'd have 150+ at all times.
Okay guys seriously
Am I the ONLY one who likes koth_king?
>>341906286
rdm, rdm! wooooow why'd you kill me
>>341906538
It's pretty much minecrafter's second videogame.
Imagine a evolution system, minecraft > gmod > tf2 > csgo
>>341906376
There's really only one potential negative shift in the matchups for pyro in this patch due to these pyro changes and that's pyro vs scout. Removes the .6s kill option on nonbuffed and makes it like .7s. So naturally this hurts the 6s pyro some but I mean you guys really weren't running him for the purpose of fighting scouts anyways.
Every other matchup that actually really matters just got faster for pyro's kill option with degreaser. Quite a bit on classes with above 150hp. Degreaser's damage in the preferred fighting range was increased by 50% (4 damage per tick to 6 damage per tick) due to the falloff changes and the damage reduction removal.
>>341906656
It's ok. I'd play that over a 5 point CP map any day.
>>341906620
>Pyro isn't particularly mobile
>has the highest health-to-speed ratio
Alright buddy, you just confirmed that you're talking about shit you have no understanding of. Not particularly mobile my bespeckled ass.
Mission failed, go shit up another thread buddy, we're done here.
Post yfw
>They finally add a new class
>It's a Mei ripoff
>>341906046
Stickies need to be strong or sentry spam backed up by wranglers and rescue rangers becomes too good.
The issue can be revisited once spy is buffed to not be absolutely unreliable at dealing with competent engineers.
>>341905143
True, but depending on what is shooting at you, you can still win if your aim is just as good. If you're fighting a heavy, scout, or sniper 1 on 1, well, you shouldn't be.
>>341905461
Well, it depends on a lot of factors. If you flanked around the healt target, if you're moving around, if the medic is communicating with the heal target, if the heal target is distracted...
For example, if the heal target is a heavy and he doesn't realize you're near
>Hit him once for 75
>He turns to shoot you
>Get the second hit in while he's turning
>If you're moving around him and not making yourself an easy target and the medic hasn't detatched from him, the third swing will kill him
It all depends.
>>341906670
Plenty of situations like this that the admins actually support.
Using common game sense to determine who's the last T is not a thing people understand in the game.
Sometimes it's as blatant as a guy dying in a nearby room and them saying "rdm" when you kill the only dude around the area.
>>341906620
Puro should almost never be 1v1ing any other class in a straight up fight.
He can tackle lone medics, spies, and snipers, but that's about it.
>>341887410
>map
Landfall because I like Sniping in it. Turbine for madness. Upward when I want to play the game.
>weapon
Either the Flare Gun or Stock Scattergun
>Most Played
Sniper
>>341907164
Two wrongs dont make a right, it's basically two OP things fighting against each other; stickies and sentries; and everything else just get's fucked up by it.
Idk why they havent toned down the sheer power of level 3's, such that any class that steps into its view gets annilated, and why they allow demo to be as offensive as soldier can.
>>341907038
He is fast but not fast enough to warrant haven't no way of escaping situations
Health to speed doesn't fucking matter in the least if you are forced to take extra damage because the class is poorly designed
>>341907379
Unless he gets the jump on a medic the needle gun just fucks him in the ass, same with revolver spy
>>341906286
gmod is basically a virtual daycare
>>341887410
Gorge
Shotgun
Soldier
>>341883551
No one mentioned overwatch, you daft faggot.
What is the best class and why is it CTF Engi?
Anyone here play on the 2f2f server? RIP
>>341907806
Engie cant do shit tho. It's basically build a level 3 ANY where as long as it's within the base. After that just sit around and watch for spies that cant do much since the whole place is patrolled by people leaving spawn.
Yes, definitely the most effective example in the game but definitely the easiest and most boring.
>>341907512
Even with stickies as they are, it still takes a lot more coordination on the attackers end to bring down multiple wrangled sentries, usually requiring an uber.
Demoman isn't the unstoppable death god that he was on release, get a scout in his face or a soldier to divebomb him.
>>341906286
the only good thing about gmod's community is how easy the players are to upset, you don't even need to try
>>341908421
definitely but I like to talk about the casual part of the game rather than the fully-coordinated team thing. At best you'll have three guys coordinating, like some friends.
Playing casually it's annoying to deal with it. But I still know sentries themselves are still too strong.
>>341908450
they're not afraid to kick you ass tho. They're really quick on just throwing people out who are clearly not following their rules.
>>341906286
>all these people who are saying gmod has a terrible community
have you all only been to two servers? Go back half a decade and the servers I've all been too (which were for the majority funservers, deathruns and zombie survivals) had only 1 or 2 yelling children throughout the day, compared to the seemingly mature rest of the server
>>341903523
>>fucking ultimates in a goddamn 6v6 match
How's this a bad thing?
I have no hope for updates ever since TF2 was infected by CS:GO AIDs and now have "operation" like updates that make you pay $6 if you even want to participate
>>341909130
how is it not?
>>341909130
Blizzard went about it in the most casual, skill-negating way possible.
>>341908902
specifically said TTT, where 12 year olds that dont know what game sense is make up the rules. And the older gmod community was good, but like you said thats from half a decade ago and is long gone
>>341894137
needs massive rebalancing and map pre-set class restrictions.
or just open up the whole map and make it CTF
>>341909259
???
the only thing u get for your money is weapon skins and little goals to pass to get them, which no one likes.
The best map, powerhouse, came out of the first one.
>>341894137
cp_junction was a 100 times worse
>>341910186
we don't talk about junction
>>341910074
Powerhouse is a fun as hell map but did they do anything to make it less stalematey? Haven't played that map in a while
>Valve
>Large update
This doesnt happen in ANY of their games anymore.
>>341910307
Quit shitposting
Can we have a revolver sniper rifle for sniper already?
>>341910471
>a new revolver for anyone butengie
look at this pleb
>>341910471
>take damage with every shot because hot gas burning arms
>>341910282
I dont think so, but i think the stalemate part is pretty good. It's not 2fort stalematey since it's a lot more spread out. Also backcapping is serious business on the map.
>>341910558
just give everyone a revolver. of varying strengths and styles.
>>341910471
Personally an automatic sniper would be better than a revolver one. I just want to see that bolt bounce forward and backward.
>>341894137
playing this map with 4 teams on other chan was an absolute blast, but it was always a stalemate. you should try it if you can.
>>341910282
>>341910657
Is powerhouse still hosted on valve servers or did they just abandon it?
>>341903523
>playing 16v16 spamfests
Found the pubstar.
>>341903523
>16v16
fuck off, I bet you play on instant respawn servers as well
>>341910826
use the smg then
>>341910558
I think that would be neat.
>>341910607
>>341910826
I mean, There's already animations for it in the files for like two years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clhf1_3lwvc
The guys who made the high noon recently updated it to fit with the animations valve did.
Honestly speaking. I just want to see the two beta maps finally come out.
>>341911424
great
after they reinstated watergate pretty much every map I like is hosted somewhere
>>341879684
i was hoping each class got a QWTF throwback weapon, really wish demo got the gl, i miss that sound
>>341887410
Gold Rush
Ubersaw
Pyro
>>341887410
Badwater
Iron Curtain
Heavy
Man, I love TF2 so much... Real shame that I haven't been playing it for so long
anyone have a favorite update? mine was Soldier vs. Demo
>>341912085
that probably.
>>341887141
>Hit walls
??
>>341912085
Goldrush, Gun Mettle, and the update where spy regained cloak from ammo was Godly.
