>Xbox One S will upscale games to a 4K resolution as well as supporting 4K video playback, Xbox marketing exec Aaron Greenberg has confirmed.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_s_will_upscale_games_to_4k.html
SELL YOUR PS4 AND BUY A XBOX SLIM
THIS MIGHT SAVE YOUR YEAR
But the 6tflops of the Scorpio is much needed to handle 4k and it should barely be able to handle it even then. What the fuck?
>>341401356
>4K gaming in a $299 console
Microsoft just bankrupted Sony
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
>>341401225
It's finally over
>believing in the 4k gaming fairytale
If you're using the same television set you would be using for a PS4, you won't see shit difference, bucko.
Sure. Just like how Xbox One runs in 1080p.
>current console struggles to do 1080/30
This just seems like blatant lying, there is literally no way this thing does 4k
>>341401225
No, it won't. Also, 4k ultra HD video does not mean video games - it means video playback. People have no idea how much a setup costs to play games at 4k and 60FPS.
>upscaling
Idiots will think it's worth a shit.
>>341401225
>upscale
So all the games will look like shit, just bigger.
Xbox Slim made the PS4 irrelevant
40 million costumers sad but at least they had Bloodbourne
Oh boy, it's this guy again
>>341402263
Reread it, dipshit
>>341402263
After 2014 most xbox games do 60fps
Friendly advice: sell your PS4 because VR memes coming only next year.
>>341402583
Pffft AHAHAHAHA
>>341402305
>People have no idea how much a setup costs to play games at 4k and 60FPS.
it could cost less for consoles considering what hardware they put in for the price. people always think about 4k in terms of pc hardware.
>>341401225
>unveiling two (2) consoles at the same time
>blatantly lie about their specs just like "CLOUD BASED PROCESSING POWER" a few years agi
>still get their dick sucked for it
Microshills are just sad
Isn't that great? When we thought Mattrick destroyed Microsoft for good and Sony was going to destroy the Xbox....
Spencer enters the stage, win E3 and win this gen.
>>341402817
>considering what hardware they put in for the price
Underpowered hardware?
Obviously the Xbox One S won't be doing 4k in games, they've already stated that the slight increase in power is for 4k video and HDR.
The Scorpio is the 4k machine, and it has no price.
>>341401356
4K/30 FPS seems doable on the Scorpio. 30 FPS 4K has been doable for quite awhile on something like an R9 290.
4K 60 on the other hand requires a shit ton more power.
>>341402916
you may hate microsoft, but they showed the best games @ e3
>>341402994
>Xbone Ass
Seriously, who picks these names?
>upscale games to a 4K resolution
>upscale
>>341401225
the xbox one supports 1080p but most games don't run on it
>were gonna show very few good looking games
>but wait here's 2 new consoles we know you cock suckers will buy :^)
Pathetic. Least Sony just showed straight games.
it will upscale the picture, it won't be rendering it at actual 4k.
All this will mean is that you won't see (1920x1080) at the top of your 4k tv when you turn your xbox one on.
>>341401225
I doubt they'll be up-scaling to 4k because that's going to look like ass on 4k TVs. It's noticeable when you upscale 720p to 1080p, now you're up-scaling almost four times up. It's gonna be Grainy City central.
>>341401225
>SELL YOUR PS4 AND BUY A XBOX
I like jrpgs games and dislike shooting galleries.
So no, that sounds bad.
>>341403117
Any game can be displayed at 4k. You'll probably only be able to see the flaws in the textures more clearly though desu.
>>341401356
You don't need processing power to upscale. Games will still render at 960p or whatever. It's mostly about the console being able to output 4k signal
>>341401225
>will upscale games to a 4K resolution
So..?
>>341403296
>I doubt they'll be up-scaling to 4k because that's going to look like ass on 4k TVs. It's noticeable when you upscale 720p to 1080p, now you're up-scaling almost four times up. It's gonna be Grainy City central.
That's because with 720p to 1080p isn't integer scaling. 1080p times 4 is exactly 4k though so upscaling isn't nearly as bad. It's not a big deal though, most 4k TVs has bicubic scalers nowadays so I don't really see the point of the console upscaling the image itself.
>>341403260
Interactive movie gaming experiences PRESS X
>>341403296
Your hatred for Microsoft is too much noticeable. Maybe you go back to redit.
>>341403569
So why does Sony "POWERFUL" Ps4 doesn't output 4K?
>>341403712
>most 4k TVs has bicubic scalers nowadays so I don't really see the point of the console upscaling the image itself
The point is using buzzwords to market a product to people who don't know better
>>341401590
Time to go buy a 4ksonytv
>>341403341
>I like jrpgs
Suicide is also an alternative.
>>341401225
>will upscale to 4K
Literally disproving the title in the post.
>Upscale.
OK then, what is the native resolution? No way in fuck it will be much more then 1080p for the majority of stuff, maybe 1440p if they are lucky.
>>341403927
>The point is using buzzwords
>Share button
>>341401225
Why would I do that?
>Windows 10
>Windows 10
>Windows 10
>Windows 10
>Windows 10
>>341404154
>thinks it will run 1440p when xbone can't do 1080p 60fps or even 1080p 30fps in a lot of games
this new system is literally just the same system but with some extra grunt to handle HDR and 4k upscaling, as well as a new HDMI port capable of transmitting 4k video.
>>341404008
>Wants me to buy a xbone
You first
>>341401225
>upscale
Are you retarded?
>>341403873
Your blind fanboyism is showing, no console can handle 4k dipshit. And it takes a ton of computing power to pull it off well.
Will it have better PIXELS?
>>341404571
>can handle 4k dipshit
It can but upscaled.. which may not be a bad thing at all
The PS4 is good at 1080P at 30 FPS
So Sony realised they just needed something roughly twice as strong as the PS4 to reach 60 FPS.
Hence they upgrade from 1,8 Teraflops to 4 Teraflops, approximately a doubling.
So if developers target the PS4 at 1080P 30FPS,
the Neo will be able to do twice the framerate, since it's twice the computation.
No more, no less. Too much weaker, and it wouldn't reach 60 FPS.
Too much stronger, and PS4 Neo would become too expensive.
So Sony actually put thought and strategy into the PS4 Neo.
Unlike Microsoft.
6 Teraflops is fucking arbitrary as well. There is no strategy other than being the fastest and most expensive, as if it's going to help them.
>>341404695
>>341404878
>$49 more expensive
>6 teraflops wins
>>341404992
Scorpio will probably be 600 dollars at launch.
600 dollars vs 400 dollars = PS4 Neo will rape Xbox even harder.
>>341405098
Although scorpio probably won't begin production for what? Another year? Prices on that tech could go down maybe? Those cards that do 6tflops are around $400
>>341405098
$200 difference.. oy vey
>>341405098
>PS4 Neo will rape
Oy vey 2..
>>341405258
100 dollars difference at launch was enough to destroy Xbox One's public perception.
>>341401225
4k gaming or 4k Netflix? Are you sure?
>>341401225
Literally what is the point of buying the Slim?
Just wait until next year and buy the Scorpio, same design but better.
>>341405339
it wasn't the $100
It was
>Always online
>Don mattrick kinect
>no option without kinect
>Deal with it
>>341405664
Cheaper and will get ports of games released on Scorpio
>ultra hd video
>video
>>341405808
>will get ports of games released on Scorpio
So will the current Xbox.
And neither the current Xbox nor the Slim will ever reach 4k gaming. It's unlikely that Scorpio will either, but it'll do a hell of a lot better than the current Xbox and the Slim.
>>341406000
>ever reach 4k gaming
It will on the Slim but upscaled only.. not a true 4k experience. Fair enough for 299
>>341405808
>>341406000
>will get ports of games released on Scorpio
This is wrong.
The main target for all future games will be the PS4. Xbox One will get ports from the PS4. The 40 million install base will make sure of this.
Main target: PS4 1080P 30FPS -> ported to Xbox at 900P 30 FPS
Main target: PS4 1080P 30FPS -> ported to PS4 Neo at 1080P 60 FPS
Main target: PS4 1080P 30FPS -> ported to Scorpio at 1080P +60 FPS
>>341401225
>4k gaming
>with HDMI
JUST FUCK MY FRAMERATE UP
>>341404726
which means it's not 4K.
it's also why the new PS4 neo doesn't actually play in 4K, it's just upscaled.
>>341406187
>The 40 million install base will make sure of this.
The Dad of War just made your autism reach levels that I don't even understand
>>341404469
Not even op you cuck, just making fun of your shitty game preferences lol.
>>341406328
PS4 Neo is Sony giving the middle finger to its costumers
They promised 60fps and Full HD on PS4 and games like NioH barely reach 50fps.
>>341406472
>lol
>dude jrpgs are so geyy!!!
Having a good summer?
>>341406412
The PS4 has 40 million install base and has a much simpler GPU memory hierarchy.
Nobody would give a shit about the Xbox as lead platform, because the ESRAM is a pain in the ass.
Nobody would give a shit about the Scorpio, because it doesn't have large install base.
The PS4 has everything the other two don't. So it will continue to be the lead platform for majority of games.
>upscale
Who cares?
>>341406187
>Xbox One will get ports from the PS4
you can't be this stupid, right? 99.9% of all games developed today are developed in DirectX on windows. every single game on ps4 right now is a direct port from dx11 on windows to ps4's gnm. since both xbox's and all windows games will be running direct x, all games will be ported smoothly to the microsoft consoles in one sweep (since it takes little effort to port between directx devices) and then ported to the ps4 which will be a shitty port if the devs are shitty.
you people underestimate how big of a move the whole windows 10 gaming/xbox/scorpio is for microsoft. they can literally run sony out of the market within 5 years if they wanted to.
>>341405808
Seriously, the ridiculous shit microsoft tried implementing with the xbox one was what really hurt it fucking badly at launch.
What was worse was the snarky fucking attitude of the guy in charge
>We don't want an always online console because some areas have shoddy internet connection and we'd be unable to play
>"We have a console for people without internet. It's called an xbox 360 :^)"
>>341406671
>Sony aiming for 1080p and 60 FPS with all PlayStation 4 games
>PlayStation 4 GPU has 50% more raw power than Xbox One GPU Will Run Every Game At 1080p
LIVING THE MEMES
>>341406741
No, you're an idiot who doesn't even know Japan ignores the Xbox even exists.
That's a good chunk of the games out there that is made specifically for PS4, then ported to Steam afterwards.
Xbox is just an afterthought in the game industry now.
Cross-platform 1080p/60fps PS4 games
Borderlands 2
Call of Duty: Advanced warfare
Call of Duty: Black ops 3
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dark Souls 2
Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
Devil May Cry: Definitive Edition
Diablo III: Reaper of Souls
Dirt Rally
Doom
F1 2015
FIFA 14
FIFA 15
FIFA 16
FIFA 17
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Metro Redux
Minecraft
Murdered: Soul Suspect
NBA 2K 14
Outlast
Overwatch
Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
Pro Evolution Soccer 15
Pro Evolution Soccer 16
Project cars
Resident Evil : Revelations 2
Shadow Warrior
Skylanders: Swap Force
Sniper Elite 3
The Talos Principle
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter
The Witness
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
Tranformers Devastation
Trials fusion
Trine 2
Trine 3: Artifacts of Power
Warframe
Wolfenstein: The New Order
Wolfenstein: The Old Blood
WWE 2K15
>>341406867
See>>341406187
1080P at 30 FPS is very doable target for the PS4. And the Neo automatically gets 60 FPS.
Xbox will be ignored as an afterthought.
>>341406187
other than the fact you don't port a game from an inferior system to a superior system.
it's going to be simple
Main target Scorpio 1080P 60FPS-> PS4
Fun fact sonytard, games are developed on PC first and then ported over, Xbox one has the easist time for porting which is why it goes:
PC dev ->Xbox one->PS4, why do you think so many PS4 games have FPS drops despite having better hardware than the Xbone?
>>341406964
He is right
Windows 10 + Xbox > Sony
>>341407102
and then the scorpio will run at 1440P at 60 FPs.
>>341402990
2 years in a row. Based Phil
>>341407105
>games are developed on PC first and then ported over, Xbox one has the easist time for porting which is why it goes:
>PC dev ->Xbox one->PS4
This.
>>341407249
>1440p TV
They don't exist, do they.
>>341406964
>he's moving the goalposts after he got btfo
ok, at least we know you're retarded. xbox will be the main focus for developers since, as i said before, directx is the most widely used api for developing games and microsoft owns it. you know what else they own? xbox, and all the xbox's are directx devices. with directx12 devs can port between a windows pc and a direcx console (xbox) with minimal effort. literally a days work at max to port between pc, xbox and xbox scorpio. it'll take the devs 5 times as long to first port it to sony gnm on the ps4 and then on the ps4 neo. microsoft windows and the xbox are the lead platform for developers and you're too stupid to know why.
>japanese games
yeah, of which only 1% of all the worlds console players give a shit about.
>>341401225
PC doesn't even have stable playable FPS in 4K
Brand loyalty is totally retard
If PS4 had real 1080p 60fps games and less cinematic experiences, I would buy a PS4. Now with this VR meme I'm very happy I didn't fall for the PS4 meme.
>>341407209
You do realize the integration between W10 and XBOX wasn't because they're confident in themselves right? It's desperation because W10 shop has been such a massive failure. And it means little since most PC gamers aren't going to buy all their games from W10, maybe a couple exclusives but that's really it.
>>341407532
I don't care if it's desperation or not, it works and the idea is good: buy one and get the other for free.
>>341407105
>>341407303
>>341407209
>other than the fact you don't port a game from an inferior system to a superior system.
Yes you do. Final Fantasy 15 for example, it's made for PS4 first.
The Xbox is lucky in this case, it gets ported to later. Abnd much later ported to Steam.
In some other cases, like the new Berserk game, the target is PS4.
The Xbox version won't even exist.
And then later it's ported to Steam.
That's how it works.
>>341407426
GTX 1080 can manage most games if not all over 30fps in 4k
>>341407591
>for free
What are you getting for free?
>>341406623
Yes actually, how about you? :^)
>upscaling
remember when this failed miserably for dvds when hdtvs first came out?
>>341407597
>Berserk game
Sure, they are optimizing for PS4 and not for PC...
>living the meme
>>341407658
A copy of the game
>>341407532
>You do realize the integration between W10 and XBOX wasn't because they're confident in themselves right?
except it is. it's all part of their push for dx12 and unified devices. it takes devs little time at all to port a game from pc to xbox, surface pad and mobile.
>>341407723
The game won't even launch for PC.
Knowing Koei, the Steam version will be buggy and trashy and crashy.
That's how it plays out in reality bro. Sorry, but you're irrelevant in their eyes.
>>341407591
>Buy something from W10 shop
>Ms Gets only shop royalties
>Gives you free game that dev had to pay up their ass for a license
Yea, not going to happen.
>>341407496
PS4 still manages to have better games in every department though. And fuck I'd rather have some VR games that can be played without it than Sony walking on stage, announcing 2 new consoles, and 1/4 of the games. I'm not planning on buying a new console either way but that's just despicable. How the hell is that okay?
4K movies. That's why they mention blu-ray player.
>>341407597
how can anyone be this thick?
if a game is being developed for pc and ps4 it will be developed on dx11/12 100% of the time and ported to ps4 and then released on pc at a later date.
>>341407834
Graphical API is not only thing that goes into porting games to other platforms.
>>341407847
Well, I was happy with Bersek on PS2 and Dreamcast.
>>341407860
If you buy the Xbox version, you get the Windows 10 for free and vice-versa.
>>341407886
Tell me a good PS4 game that is not a walking simulator.
>>341407597
>Final Fantasy 15
your delusional, performance wise the xbox one version is going to have a more stable FPS, because as it has been apparent since the PS4 was out, it's always having issues with ports. and like I said it's PC, then Xbox one, then PS4, and it's PC for a console exclusive because that's how they make the fucking game.
>>341407886
other than it doesn't. all sony did this year was COWL OF DUTY, and VR trash.
>>341407978
unless it's a first party game, devs have to release on PC now, they don't really have a choice, or a reason not to, sense all the PS4 is just a weaker PC.
>>341407978
>Game developed on PS4
>dx11/12
Why the fuck would anyone do this?
ITT:People that don't know the difference between rendering at 4k and upscaling to 4k
>>341407834
No it isn't. Microsofts console division got blown out so hard by Sony that they finally caved and did something that has always been possible. Them releasing 2 new consoles and announcing all their exclusives coming to PC literally makes owning a bone for complete morons who can't into a PC. They're deconstructing their once strong grip on the market because they have no other choice. The bone and W10 store have been a big flop.
>>341408119
Who told you that the game is not being developed using Direct X 11/12?
>>341408043
>If you buy the Xbox version, you get the Windows 10 for free and vice-versa.
Why the fuck would anyone go for this, Xbox is platform that requires developer to pay ROYALTIES to MS.
Windows is free and open platform, MS shop takes portion of profit, as of now it's absolutely free to upload your apps on it.
This makes no logical or logistical sense.
>>341407978
>>341408076
You two didn't know about the Steam versions of many Japanese games having a ton of bugs?
Listen, in reality the Steam version of Japanese games is an afterthought, buggy afterthought which needs to be fan patched.
The games are made for PS4. Microsoft is irrelevant.
>>341402064
This
>>341408228
Well, the fact that Sony doesn't have Dx11/12 on PS4.
DX is Microsoft proprietary API that only works on Microsoft kernels.
>>341408292
It was what they announced, it seems you missed E3 yesterday. Go watch or google it.
Buy 1 copy get 1 for free is real anon.
>>341408016
its 90% of what goes into it. other smaller factors might come into play but the graphical api is what enables devs to port their code to multiple devices of different configurations. how do you think devs get their games to work over multiple different pc configurations? eg i have a 4690k and a gtx 980 and all games that work on my pc will work on someone that has like an amd fx 6300 and a radeon r9 380.
the api is what holds it all together. you think devs have the time to optimize for the 10's of millions of different pc configurations?
>>341408381
maybe for MS titles, but not for any other title.
Third parties would see no benefit in this system.
>>341408380
PS4 uses Direct X 11 doesn't it?
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/
>>341408043
Look it up for yourself, PS4 has more exclusives now that are better than what the bone is offering now and is planning to offer in the future.
>>341401225
The only thing this confirms is that mircosoft has no fucking idea what they are even talking about when it comes to technology.
>>341401225
Like the Xbone was supposed to?
Fuck off, Aaron.
upscaling to 4k does not equal 4k, it equals upscaling to 4k
do you guys really buy this shit?
>>341401225
>4k resolutions
this isn't 4k gaming natively. It finally has HDMI 2.0 so it can actually use a 4k display at greater than 30hz.
>4k video playback
because of HDMI 2.0
This is the same bullshit they did with Xbox 360 "WOW guys 1080p support" except a majority of the games were all 720p upscaled to 1080
>>341408530
Why the fuck would they use something inefficient like DX11?
It's microsoft trash.
Yes then you also need an expensive ass 4k tv to support which very few people own.
>>341408504
Rocket League..
>>341408530
no, it supports OpenGL/Mantle/Vulkan nothing else.
DX needs Windows Kernel to work, Unix based OS that sony uses lacks that feature.
also sony is basically fucked if microshit releases the scorpio at a reasonable price, I'm expecting it to be 350-400.devs develop games on the PC, so if the scorpio can have the same graphics while having 60FPS, the PS4 NEO is dead in the water.
>>341408380
>>341408530
the ps4 has a dx11 capable gpu but sony obviously doesn't let devs utilize directx because its a microsoft exclusive api. nevertheless, its the most popular and efficient api available on any platform hence why all multiplats are developed on it.
dx12 will be the new standard by 2018.
DOES NOBODY HERE KNOW WHAT UPSCALE MEANS
>>341408680
>also sony is basically fucked if microshit releases the scorpio at a reasonable price
You expect Microsoft to willingly lose Billions of dollars, just for the sake of making you happy Sony gets fucked?
>>341408680
Its a bunch of buzzworded bullshit
you can now play games on a 4k tv at greater than 30hz. Your games don't actually play in 4k its upscaled
>>341408617
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/229096-Was-it-confirmed-today-that-the-DirectX-11-features-won-t-be-on-the-PS4-client
According to the geeks there, PS4 is compatible with directx 11.2
>>341408473
you are forgetting that Xbox, Mobile Phone uses their own APIs that are different from one another.
DX API is only half of the story for Console ports.
Here is PS2 example of it's API, it has to check if controller is on every frame, and programmer needs to write code to match that API call.
>>341401225
Gee I sure can't wait to play 1080p games upscaled to UHD with a fucking crappy bilinear filter on this shitty 30fps shitbox
>>341408845
So what? It's still trash nobody uses.
>>341403558
more like i'll be able to see all the jaggies when they upscale a 1080p game to four times its size
>>341408076
>other than it doesn't. all sony did this year was COWL OF DUTY, and VR trash
How assblasted are you?
>GOW
>Spiderman
>Horizon
>TLG
>RE7
They literally shit all over Microsoft who announced 2 consoles and no games. I don't even need to argue, the entire internet of gaming is talking how Sony won by a landslide.
>>341407105
Multiplats have better framerate on PS4 95% of the time, cocksucker.
>upscale
Literally no different than playing a 1080p game on a 4k monitor.
>>341408602
read the thread
Does anybody else ever get the urge just to lick a brand new piece of technology, especially new consoles?
>>341408971
nope try harder sonygegger
>>341408680
The card they need to get 6tflops is $350 on it's own. You're insane.
>>341408876
>>341408731
So the Xbox will have the best multiplats by 2017
>>341408968
>>GOW
Just don't ever talk to my wife's son ever again
>>341401225
Why would I buy xbone slim when scoripio was confirmed?
Why would I buy xbone at all, when I can play its games on PC?
>>341409081
the tflops number doesn't mean jack shit
the PS4 had a 1.84tflop GPU but performed no where near that at all
calculated tflops is just a theoretical max potential of floating point operations. It doesn't tell you jack shit about performance
>>341408845
Yes, PS4 hardware is compatible with directx, software isn't.
>>341409081
It's because he hates Sony, and he hopes his Big Brother Microsoft is willing to lose billions of dollars to make him feel better.
Microsoft will totally lose money for his sake.
>>341407496
>bawwwww cinematic
>bawwwww VR
Sure am seeing these memes get thrown about a lot in the last few days very suddenly
>>341409158
The PS4 gave you higher resolution and better framerate than Xbox.
>>341409250
I've been saying Sony is pushing the cinematic shit since Beyond Two Souls but you guys bought it and all the Last of Us simulators after it
>>341409330
Has nothing to do with what I said.
Tflops is an irrelevant number for measuring performance
>>341408808
you expect them to price a console over 400$?
they have a deal with AMD. if you seriously think they pay full price for the components for consoles both microshit, and Sony, then your retarded.
>>341409223
your retarded, but I will laugh at sonygeggers being ass devastated when they have the least powerful consoles.
>>341407405
That would most likely be the in-game resolution for most scorpion games.
>>341409223
It's pretty obvious though. With integrating their games to w10 they are now just releasing consoles to get money. There's a reason they are releasing a slim before the Scorpio, they don't care about the console users anymore they just want to run them dry off of new consoles. It's max jewing and also sickening, would've liked to see some more games from them.
>People think these "refresh" consoles will have exclusive games
Sony's already stated that there can't be any locked games or content behind a Neo paywall, if rumors are to be believed.
>>341401225
why is this even a discussion? all the games are coming to the PC, and /v/ has always been an elitist when it comes to visuals and game features. why would anyone here buy this thing when a PC for the same price could do so much more?
if we're looking at the price, with tax included, we can round that number to $600. with $600, you could easily put together a 4k rig, that doesn't use gimmicky upscale to achieve it.
>>341409158
flops are pretty concrete science in computer world.
you could pretty much say a "computer science"
>>341409396
Do not reply to Sony obsessive fans
They are just brainwashed
>>341401225
>upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale >upscale
Nice meme
>>341409453
>$600
The more accessible PC that beats PS4 is $700 no less than that
>>341409396
>you expect them to price a console over 400$?
It's that, or take heavy loses per sold device.
Both is undesirable, but Microsoft has to pick one of them.
Sony will have it easier, because they have been smarter>>341404878
The Neo is leaner and cheaper than Scorpio.
>>341408876
>DX API is only half of the story for Console ports.
not any longer. with directx 12 there won't be any of those struggles like you explained with the ps2. vulkan/dx12 make porting the easiest shit ever due to software and hardware advances. there's no longer that api overhead we saw with dx11. dx12 removes that and gives devs better access to the hardware. the pc space will benefit by the optimizations that are made to the xbox consoles and vice versa. microsoft are onto a winner with dx12.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-why-directx-12-is-a-gamechanger
don't forget that microsoft is giving away windows 10 for free. windows 10 = dx12. look forward to big things from microsoft in the pc space in the coming years. sony won't be able to compete.
Yeah, it's just fake 4k to.
>>341409535
Did you realize that Xbox Slim will be almost as powerful as the PS4 Neo?
PS4 Neo will upscale most of the games my friend.
>>341409459
Who cares, it has little to do with actual tangible performance on these fucking consoles.
Sure they probably have a 6tflop GPU in the thing and you'll be playing 1080p games at 60fps upscaled to 4k because a developer doesn't give a shit.
give REAL metrics, not theoretical maximums
>>341401225
Awesome, now I can spend another 300 dollars to play games I'll already have on PC on an inferior console.
>Xbox One S will upscale games to a 4K resolution
Your PS1 could theoretically upscale games to 4K resolution.
Like holy hell, thats not a useful feature. Its the same as stretching out a 200x300 jpg to 1080x1920 and calling it "1080p media"
>>341409373
You're wrong.
The two device's GPU architecture are the same. The Tflops numbers are directly comparable.
This is actually the ONE Fucking instance you can compare them directly, moron.
>>341401225
>549
lmao
whos supposed to buy it
>>341409629
Sony has the majority of software sales over Xbox.
Microsoft is already irrelevant.
>>341409708
>400
fix'd
>>341409708
360 sold 84 million
about 60 million people may consider buying the Slim
>>341409723
No, what you described is scaling. Upscaling is using a processor to the image so it will try to emulate a higher resolution.
>>341409680
Xbox Slim will be almost as powerful as the old Xbox One.
meh, I can wait another year for Sony to come out with a new console 10x better. Xbox is for people who aren't patient enough to wait for quality.
>>341409396
>you expect them to price a console over 400$?
the hardware they're showing off proves a $400 price point will be achievable. they're only upgrading the gpu side of things and keeping the jaguar 8core cpu, or the equivalently priced Zen equivalent. the fact they're selling xbox ones for $250 currently, the new gpu and additional ram would be inline with a $150 increase in retail price.
don't listen to these damage controlling sony fanboys. they're scared and you can see it in their posts.
>>341409475
I think it's funny, honestly sony fanboys like to talk about thier PS4's despite having 5 year old hardware in them.
the xbox one pretty clearly was made for multimedia which is where microsoft FUCKED up on massive scale.
>>341409614
you do realize that consoles only work because Sony/Microsoft get deals with AMD for extreamly cheap hardware right? the xbox 360 for instance if you look at the hardware alone was over 500$, so tell me how much did Microsoft sell it for??
the scorpios specs(assuming they are true) if released around 350-400, will kill the PS4 Neo, no question about it, they are not just marginally better like the PS4, is to the xbox one, they are massively better, if I had to guess around 35-45% better performance.
I feel so betrayed by microsoft. I supported them from the beginning and they took a shit on my face and called me Arminio.
>>341409752
Holy fuck you are stupid as shit, I never mentioned which or what console and used just the PS4's 1.84Tflop GPU as an example
you know what else was near 1.84tflops? a 560ti 448 core 2gb model or an AMD HD6950 clocked at 925mhz from 2 years before the PS4 even came out
guess which performed better than every fucking multiplat the PS4 shared with PC? Every PC game.
Developers want to throw around Tflops as some performance threshhold but nothing is more hilarious than watching a company spew some non-sense with no benchmarks to a developer only for a developer to make another sub 1080p 30fps game.
>>341401225
How will it achieve this? With the infinite power of the cloud?
>>341409938
Whatever you say, xbot.
Look forward to all the damage control over the "native 4K" comments in all the threads before, this is hilarious.
>>341409845
>sales =/= graphical api
wow no wonder everyone hates sonyggers. they're as thick as two planks.
>>341409686
flops are real metric, metric of most complex things you can do on a machine, floating points.
This pretty much tells you the absolute maximum the CPU/GPU can push.
>>341409976
>the fact they're selling xbox ones for $250 currently,
And losing money.
>>341410036
same way the Xbox360 did
upscale 720p shit to 1080p and call it 1080p
>>341410086
no GPU ever comes near its theoretical max
show me BENCHMARKS of a PS4 performing anywhere near what an equivocal PC can do because your biggest bottleneck is how much a developer gives a fuck
>>341410032
>I never mentioned which or what console and used just the PS4's 1.84Tflop GPU as an example
Every console this generation use the same architechture.
Except for the irrelevant Nintendo one, but you weren't talking about that.
>>341410237
>every single one of them
>except that last one but I'm not gonna think about that in my stray generalization.
I didn't even talk about architecture
>>341410032
not him but your situation is totally different. we're comparing floating point performance of two different pieces of hardware based on the same architecture and specifications. comparing amd and nvidia are different because you can't compare floating point performance between them since they're both using totally different architectures and we don't know how the compute performance will perform in games. if you did actual compute tasks between amd nvidia, the one with higher tflops would win though.
tldr; you can compare tflops between the xbox one and ps4 because they're based on the same architecture
Honestly.. if Sony released a 4K playback PS4 slim Sonyggers this time
Well you can imagine.
>>341409976
>they're scared and you can see it in their posts.
they will have to buy a Xbox or Windows 10 to play Final Fantasy VII Remake in 4K
>>341410064
I replied you with a respectful comment and with true information, you replied me with insults.
Very typical
>>341409994
The weak Xbox One was meant to be sold at 500 USD. Microsoft chose to lose money so they wouldn't get slaughtered in marketshare.
The Scorpio will be much more expensive than 500 USD. It's going to drain Microsoft for billions of dollars.
AMD isn't working for free, and neither is Globalfoundry, which isn't even part of AMD anymore.
Microsoft is paying dearly for it.
>>341410385
"Xbot" is an unacceptable insult when you use Sonyggers.
Very typical.
>>341410384
>comparing amd and nvidia are different
Its like you ignore where I put the 560ti's equivolent the AMD HD6950
its like you don't even read the post wholesomely and just read a bit, stop, type, then read a bit more.
>>341410095
so are sony, whats your point? consoles are always sold at a loss but the companies regain that money by selling peripherals like controllers, wires etc and software sales eg games, subscriptions etc.
>>341410083
Did you know in Japan The Xbox One sells 200 device if it's a lucky week?
That means 0 marketshar in Japan, and nearly 0% marketshare for Direct X this generation.
>>341410489
Sonygger is not an insult, it's basically funny. Also I made a truthful statement.
>>341404878
>he Neo will be able to do twice the framerate, since it's twice the computation.
but not twice the CPU. You know, to go 30->60fps you also need considerably faster CPU too, not just GPU.
NEO CPU was upclocked only to 2.1Ghz from 1.6 - everything points out that the plan remains for 30fps games for Sony. Just prettier.
>>341410546
Japan makes like 3 relevant games a year. nobody cares.
>>341410178
>equivocal PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZGw92feB0
here ya go.
>>341410541
The PS4 kept the price at 400 USD for a long time. It didn't lose money like the Xbox One did.
>>341410627
Sometimes 2.
This year we are lucky if they release 2 good games.
>>341410573
Isn't the biggest problem of the PS4 right now the CPU bottleneck?
I remember some articles from a year ago saying that devs can't really do much more with it because the CPU is shit.
>>341410573
>You know, to go 30->60fps you also need considerably faster CPU too
That really depends on the game. In most cases the GPU upgrade is enough.
>>341410532
you do know the processor affects performance right? the xbox and ps4 have a combined SoC performance of 1.32 and 1.84 tflops each. that's combined performance. the gpu's will actually be weaker.
the new xbox has a 6.2 tflop gpu but the whole SoC will have a combined theoretical performance of 10 tflops as confirmed by:
http://www.techpowerup.com/223385/microsoft-xbox-scorpio-soc-powered-by-polaris-and-zen
what you just did was compare the compute performance of a single nvidia and amd gpu without factoring in the extra performance gained by the cpu in the system.
i forgive you though :^)
>>341401225
whats the point when every game announced is also coming to windows 10 :^)
>>341410627
Well, I'm glad I was able to teach you how the device marketshare has an impact on the API adoption.
rendering at 4k and upscaling to 4k are worlds different
This 4K meme is really getting out of control.
Why do you need 4K resolution when all the consoles struggles with framerates and graphics have to be consistently downgraded to be playable. are the new consoles gonna be so powerful they will leave that much hardware capability for 4K?
Most likely 4K gaming will just be fake upscaled games playing at 20fps. Besides you need to get an expensive new TV, who the fuck needs a new TV these days?
>>341401225
What's the big deal with upscaled 4k? Doesn't every 4k TV upscale content anyway?
>>341410546
>0% marketshare for Direct X this generation.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
you do know that every single mutliplatform game ever made for this gen of consoles and the last gen were developed using direct x, right? that gives microsoft and directx a 100% market share for all mutiplat game development. try harder sonygger
>>341410954
Yes
but the ultimate question is:
Exclusives
>Xbox wins
Controller
>Xbox
Online
>Xbox
besides Sony obsession , why do people shill for Sony?
What will the Xbox marketeer do whn the PS4 will keep selling more and more and more?
Will he cry?
Place your bets.
>>341401225
>buy an xbone
>already have a great pc
Xbone has NO exclusives there's literally no reason to buy one
>>341410879
you people are so fast to grasp onto rumours,
Zen cores and shit.
all we really know that it's 6tflop with most powerful GPU on a console.
Nobody said that GPU is 6tflops alone.
>>341411058
No one here will buy a Xbox based on /v/ opinion
We are just here to talk about our preferences.
If you want to buy a walking simulator, go for it.
My 4k tv already upscales to 4k... so if my Xbox does it too would that mean I get 8k?
HAHA Microsoft always wins.
>>341411000
The ones from Japan are made for PS4, then they get a buggy port to Direct X.
See: http://www.pcgamer.com/broken-pc-ports-like-tales-of-symphonia-are-unacceptable/
PCunts like these are crying because the port to Direct X is trash.
>>341411000
I'm sure that DOOM used amazing version of DirectX, called non existent.
Thats right, best looking game this year, didn't use your shitty API that will be DoA when Vulkan comes out.
>>341403296
Do you know anything? Good upscaleing can make a dvd look good on a 4k screen. Maybe you dont have a good upscaler lol.
I felt for the /v/ meme and bought a Wii U
Worst deal ever.
FROM /V/ TO U
At least I sold it for almost the same price.
>>341411109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1dRgWpGePs
watch the video again. they confirmed 6tflops.
>>341411247
This is a old game anon. Remasters don't count.
>>341402990
Phil Spencer is a literal god. Once I saw his interview with giant bomb and how authentic he was and even tackled that hardball question from Jeff, I knew he was The One. And he proved me right this year.
>>341411316
I did watch it, you need to clean your ear canals.
>>341410831
not when the CPU is already reaching it's limit.
for instance if I wanted to play brand new game A, and let's say I had a 2500K, and oh a 970
now for this lets say my CPU isn't bottlenecking me, and I'm getting 30FPS stable(inb4 3.5meme) if I upgrade to say a 1080, then I should get 60 FPS, because the GPU is bottlenecking here
where as in the PS4(and Xbox one's case) the CPU, is probally already at maxium, or it's almost their. so upgrading your GPU will help, but won't give you instant 60FPS
which is where the problem lies for both microsoft and sony, sony probally isn't going to be able to get 60 FPS on every game, some yes, but every? no
micro soft seems to be trying to brute force it's way through by making the scorpio have insane performance. and upcloocking it's CPU which will help.
>>341411369
You shouldn't be saying he is god. That is heresy.
>>341411251
>thousands of games/indie games released every year on dx11
>1 (one) game uses open gl
>d-direct x is d-dead guys
yeah nah
test
>>341411316
6tflops of gpu powrr
10tflops of combined power
The question is: after a succesful launch, how did Sony fucked up everything in this E3?
>VR
>Walking simulator
>Last of Us clones
>retarded orchestra
>Dad of War
>>341411368
This will be the pattern for Japanese games, no matter if they are old or new.
I can tell this is already starting to shake the way you understand the world. Perhaps you might realise someday the Xbox isn't the hot shit you think it is.
>>341411030
>Xfags still believe this
>upscale
>mfw consoleshits will eat this shit up
>>341411441
not only one game, best looking game with best shader effects to come out yet.
DX is unneeded, it always way unneeded. Only reason it's so popular is insecurity of big companies.
Take any id game, they all were made on OpenGL ever since Quake and all of them were best looking games on the time period, minus rage.
>>341411573
>the Xbox isn't the hot shit you think it is.
I would never buy a PS4Neo to play Tales or any other JRPG. I'd buy them on my toaster and will be happy as always even if that means 720p 30fps.
>have a 4k monitor
>play games at 1080p on the monitor
>games upscale to 4k
>games look like ass
not only do games running at native 1080p scaled up to 4k look bad, they always look worse than a normal 1080p signal
>only a 2TB model
>>341411598
>best looking game with best shader effects to come out yet.
are you high? even shitty games like mirrors edge and the fucking division look nicer than doom. they have way more complex shaders too, with better meshes and texture quality. not to mention superior shadow quality.
>>341411718
Well, who care what you will do, majority of people would buy PS4 just to collect dust, I see no reason why PS4Neo will be different.
>>341411785
That isn't upscaling.
>>341411718
Yes, but please understand the steam versions are ports.
You've been arguing the whole thread these games are made for windows and Xbox, but this isn't how it works in reality.
The direct X versions are the shitty ports.
>Sell your ps4.
But I already traded my PS4 for a computer chair.
>>341409938
360 isnt Slimbone. Also 360 had more console exclusive games. Seems they're going for 100% cross-play from here on out which really begs the question... why even get the console? So you get shit on by more skilled PC players?
No I said berserk is direct X I never claimed Tales was made for PC
>>341411831
>DX game
>Superior shadow quality
>calling other people high
if anything you can say about OpenGL is it's fantastically accurate shadow calculations out of the box.
You sir, are a moron.
>>341411875
Good, now you can play all of your PC games on the slim bone
>>341411927
>why even get the console?
It's somehow cheaper and some people prefer consoles. I prefer consoles over PC, always.
>>341411967
>I said berserk is direct X
The shitty and buggy port of it will be Direct X, yes. But other than that, you're completely off the mark.
>>341412009
I was a bit silly to buy a PS4 but I am not clinically retarded to buy an Xbone, ever.
>>341401225
>upscale
I dont think you know what this means.
>>341408938
>4k is 2160p
Where are the game tho?
>>341408938
More like upscaling a 900p game to 4K
>>341412094
Other than that what? I never said anything other than Berserk being developed on PC.
It's not going to be a port like you said.
>>341411316
"4K gaming"
"TRUE 4K resolution"
>oh actually lol its upscaled
pottery
Fuck 4k. Keep 1080p and 60 fps and improve the graphics.
>>341411967
Everything was made for PC before being translated into inferior console monkey scratchings.
>>341411251
doom is on the xbox, so no, dx it's not non existent on this game.
I can .. finally .. play 720p ... upscaled to 4k...
thank you ... microsoft
