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https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/13/reminder-nintendo-will-appear-on-youtube-gaming-at-e3-today/
We might get an NX announcement today. Since Ubisoft brought it up
I thought thier spot was tomorrow?
>>341120716
What did Ubisoft say about the NX?
>>341122876
The most I heard was Aisha Tyler saying that just dance 17 is going to be coming to NX.
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't think Nintendo was doing anything today.
>>341120716
I really don't think we're getting anything other than Zelda from Nintendo, so my expectations for are really low.
Don't get me wrong, I'm really excited for the new Zelda but it's just one game.
Listen, I like Zelda and part of me is looking forward to Zelda U but what if I wasn't a Zelda fan?
Same with Pokemon if I wasn't a Pokemon fan why would I be excited for Nintendo's E3?
Considering that they are announcing zero new games at all they just alienated a crap ton of people who look forward for Nintendo's presence at E3 hoping that they games they want get announced. It's amateurish and makes the company look pathetic and weak.
Why should I keep my attention aimed toward Nintendo in the upcoming months if there have no games that I'm interested in?
All I'm seeing is dindu dogs
it's exclusively about indie games
everyone go home
When is this in normal people (Euro) time?
>>341120716
It's just gonna be indie stuff. No NX. No Direct.
>>341125223
haha you crack me up
Did it start yet?
>>341125223
>eurotrash
>people
pick one
the stream was supposed to be 23 minutes ago?
>>341120716
why doesnt nintendo just fucking fold already. they turned away from their core audience with the wii waggle and baby games, then they doubled down with the wii u and it blew up in their face because grandmas playing games was a 2 year fad. now they have no audience beyond a gaggle of autists who buy physical dlc.
Nintendo refused to actually make video games, and now they're sinking. good riddance.
This E3 feels needlessly confusing with schedules. I haven't had this much trouble keeping track of things in past E3s.
>>341124553
i still care about pokemon, but im not expecting much. but yeah, it sucks not being all that big of a zelda fan. literally nothing else this year
>>341120716
Lies.
>>341130720
Your dad hit you just a little too hard when he was drunk, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjoq7snv24I
When?
>>341130720
>spot the sonynigger ITT
>>341124553
Because e3 isn't about the attention to them anymore. It helps, sure. But it's not a main focus anymore. There has hardly been anything resembling hype this year because it's been all leaked or just spouting shit we already knew. It's just not their focus right now. I'm just wondering where do they go from here.
>>341124553
That's why Nintendo is focusing fully on Zelda
so people who don't know shit will be introduced
Fucking moron
>>341122876
they planned just dance on it but none of hte multiplat released even after marsh 2017 mentioned anything
The slot for Nintendo was supposed to be 5:30 but Ubi ran late
>>341132508
>Ubisoft just keeps ruining E3
>>341130720
2014 anon
There was a lot of great games there
Nintendo's been filled with drought because the main teams are doing NX
>>341132508
So when will they be on?
>no nintendo
>>341133043
We don't know
Geoff is wasting time on recaps
>>341133043
Hopefully after this fat fuck stops talking.
Gotta say though, Microsoft's E3 wasn't totally boring.
>>341120716
I think they fucked up. Move on guys, Nintendo offcial twitter has a "It all begins tomorrow!" pinned. Why the fuck would they have anything scheduled today?
>>341133471
Now.
>It's the indie manager
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
nintendo chickened out at the last second. go home guys.
ITS ON
>indieshit
>indieshit
:-/
Oh boy, "Nindies".
It started now.
>"Nindies"
You guys didn't actually think they were gonna show off Zelda before tomorrow did you?
>indie shit
>joe-tun
ITS FUCKING YOTUHN
REEE TRIGGERED FUCKING AMERICANS
20 TICK
0
T
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C
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>indieshit
Well maybe the U version of Armikrog will finally show up.
>Nindies
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AND RIGHT BEFORE SONY IS ABOUT TO BTFO THEM TOO
HAHAHAHAHA
>>341120716
>They haven't given up yet
>implying they tried
Well, it's just indie stuff. No Zelda, Pokemon and whatever they planned for E3, if they planned something at all, until tomorrow.
UNDERTALE INCOMING
CALLING IT NOW
TOBY'S BEEN INACTIVE ON TWITTER FOR MONTHS
THIS IS WHY
>Runbow
Ugh
HOLY FUCK WHERE ARE MY FUCKING MADE-IN-WEEBLAND GAMES
I'm watching this presentation, where the fuck are the nintendo guys?
>>341134664
This game looks like fucking trash. Why is Nintendo pretending like it's good?
Guys... Nindies has been a thing for a while.
>>341120716
Nintendo is dead now with the new stronger console.. nobody cares. NX will flop as the Wii u.
>cute brown girls
I am satisfied.
>>341134827
>where the fuck are the nintendo guys?
Why do you need Nintendo guys when there are no games just indies shit?
First it was Sash Lilac in Runbow.
Now it's Shantae.
Neat.Rev up the Shantae x Sash Lilac
>>341134820
On Pachinko or iOS, because that's what the Japanese market cares about, and Jap devs don't give a fuck about anything not Japan
I already bought Axiom Verge on my PS4
BOOOO
>Axiom Verge
Good, this game really deserves to be on Wii U.
So how do I watch the nintendo stream today
IT'S LITERALLY FUCKING SUPER METROID HOLY SHIT JUST PUT REGGIE IN THE SHOW AND HAVE HIM TALK ABOUT ACTUAL GAMES
>indie game devs have to make Metroid and F-Zero for them
Wooooooooooow
>>341135241
Just go to youtube.com/e3
It's various Nindies showing upcoming titles for 3DS or Wii U, not a full stream.
>Nintendo has announcements
Surprising.
>>341132201
>people who don't know Zelda watching E3
what
W-well atleast nintendo won't have to show these games on the treehouse so they'll be able to focus on actual nintendo games, r-right?
Well at least Severed looks cool
>>341135547
Are you ready?
>>341135857
i would fukin cry if this game gets localized.
>>341135547
Its a lie
>debut trailer
>of a game we already fucking knew about
How is Nintendo so good at making things get even more disappointing?
>>341135857
I don't buy Weeb Shit
wait wasn't that Severed game in the amateur dev threads?
>>341120716
I was kinda distracted and didn't listen all the time.
When did ubishit bring it up?
since nintendo censors every fucking weeb game they get on their platform, the only thing that would consider me to purchase an NX or a Wii U is a new Advance Wars title, and we know that shit will never happen.
>>341132201
and forcing you to watch bunch of insufferable manchildren play the game is surely the best way to introduce the game to new people
seriously fuck the Treehouse, fuck Nintendo, i've lost all hope, everything they do recently is a slap to the face
>>341125223
>Euro
>Normal
Lol
>>341125223
18h in UTC +2
>>341131832
lol ok retard. my first console was a nintendo 64 when I was 7 years old. I've had just about every console from every company because I'm not a fat 16 year old who's autism forces me to have brand loyalty like you. I can recognize that nintendo used to make a ton of single player games back in the n64 and gamecube days. and we can compare that to games for wii and wii u and see that the amount of games targeted towards people who aren't absolute beginners at games is very small. this is an objective fact no matter how hard you cry about it.
I don't expect much, but at least Sony is likely to actually release video games this year
What stream are you guys watching? I can only find this stream on lawbreakers
We're not getting an NX reveal, they're saving it for TGS.
>>341135949
There's 0 chance that game is coming state-side
Better start reading the fan-translation instead of waiting on something impossible
Well, at least Severed looked like a pretty cool dungeon crawler
>>341135857
nintendo already listed the games that will be appearing tomorrow.
Stop
making
predictions
>>341136245
>>341136368
filthy catfags pls go
>>341136451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjoq7snv24I
>>341136484
That would be such a fucking huge mistake holy shit
>>341124553
Zelda is big fucking game
If your not interested, OK, it's not for you, but Nintendo held Zelda off for too long and wants to atleast make it look good
For all we know you might like it
Otherwise No shit, Nintendo wants to avoid E3 because there is nothing to announce
They need to focus on NX but they want that on their own time
>>341136245
But there is an Advance Wars
it's calledCodename STEAM
>>341136484
The NX is a rumor dude it doesn't exist
>>341136451
You just missed it, it's over. They announced some wii u indie game that will have Shantae as a guest chatacter, Axiom Verge on Wii U/3DS and a new game by guacamele devs called Severed which actually looked interesting
>>341136591
Wait, so no surprise announcements this year?
Why the fuck bother appearing at E3 then? It's like they're not trying
>>341135857
maybe Next year
this year is AA6/Spirit of justice moron
for your punishment im going to tell you that Maya loses her powers
>>341136615
Yeah is there a certain tab I should be on or something?
>>341132201
why can nintendo only make 1 game a year now? in the early-mid 2000s there was a slew of shit all year ranging from aa-aaa. now it's just 1 main title and a handful of mobile and shovelware
>>341135657
CNN advertised it, non America CNN. People are aware at least.
>>341136862
working fine for me, idk
>>341136619
>>341136484
Not TGS
Nintendo wants their own specific event
>>341135857
Not a chance
>>341136792
>>341136550
>>341136181
>>341135840
Severed has been out for a while on vita and mobile
>>341136629
>nintendo can't make games because they're focused on nx
that's funny because Sony and Microsoft are both unveiling new console tech while also developing and announcing games. why can't nintendo do anything right?
>>341136484
>Nintendo
>Ever going to TGS
>>341137045
YEAH I HAVE IT ON MY MOBILE. PRETTY GOOD GAME
Wait a fucking sec, Severed is already out on Vita
brb buying it on vita
>>341136889
They can't handle HD asset development. That's why they had to pad out their releases with shovelware like Ultra Smash.
>>341136615
What's Overwatch there doing?
Wasn't Nintendo supposed to be shown a bit?
>>341137193
Because Nintendo lacks 3rd party support. That's why 3rd party is a big deal: you're are supposed to play those games between big releases.
>>341137193
>Sony and Microsoft
Those are not developers
>>341137590
That's Nintendo's fault for making a system that no devs want to touch. This is why Nintendo seeks out indie devs for their Nindie bullshit; they have to dredge the bottom of the barrel to get the minimal third-party support.
So don't turn this into 'but thuh turd partees' argument. Nintendo's to blame for the hole they dug themselves into.
>>341136889
Because 2014 suddenly didnt exist
2015 and 2016 is the only years we can focus on
THEY ARE WORKING ON NX GAMES
>>341138029
no, that's Nintendo's fault for wanting to charge companies for the "privilege" to be on their console
>>341138261
Okay, sorry.
It's still Nintendo's fault though.
>>341138261
MS and Sony do that as well idiot. You have to pay royalties if you want your game to be on a console.
>>341120716
Why would they even say "ONLY ZELDA AND POKEMON LOL"
it just removes hype if you reveal what you're going to reveal beforehand
I'm sure there's going to be one fucking new jappo game being shown, but it
>>341138550
My understanding was that Nintendo was more fickle about it and pricey though, and that was why 3rd parties flocked to SEGA and Sony when they finally started competing with Nintendo
>>341138550
Nintendo is much more obnoxious and difficult to work with, so No, it'ts not the same Idiot
>>341138674
Yeah, and it'll be more coverage for Hashtag Bad Crossover.
So when is Shiggy making an appearance
>>341138864
Hopefully in a casket. He fucked up Paper Mario and StarFox so bad I hope someone kills him in his sleep.
>>341138853
>Hashtag Bad Crossover.
FUCK
>>341139001
to be fair, Star Fox 64: Wii or any Star Fox sequel wouldn't have been made if shiggy miggy didn't ree about it
>>341139001
lmao. Dorito pope is speaking with the Ubisoft guy now and the chat is spamming ZELDA so that means something i guess
>>341138698
Nintendo had MUCH more third party support than anything Sega.
Sega mostly had to supply their systems with their own games.
Only when Sony arrived with discs it all went downhill for Nintendo because discs were much cheaper and nicer to use for devs.
>>341138674
You have to understand that Nintendo doesnt actually have a conference this year
On the show floor, the only playable game is Zelda U
They want to tell you that
What will start in their time is Treehouse livestream, starting a whole day of playing Zelda U and Pokemon Sun and Moon
With Pokemon Sun and Moon getting it's own special another day
Nintendo's entire presence this year is to showcase these 2 games
Treehouse livestream could possibly show other shit like Fedforce and maybe Color Splash, but we havent gotten proper trailers for them yet
Hell, Zelda U doesnt have a proper trailer, the treehouse livestream will probably start with the Zelda U trailer
>>341132201
So people are morons for having higher standards and expectations for Nintendo's E3?
>>341138190
Doesn't that mean that Nintendo isn't learning from their past mistakes?
Why would one be excited for NX games that one knows jack shit of?
Honestly, I'm surprised images of the Zelda booth haven't leaked yet.
>>341120716
>We might get an NX announcement today.
You idiots will never learn. NXfags are so stupid, holy shit.
>>341138698
No, they were like the rest as far as pricing goes. They just didn't listen too much to dev requests. They forced cartridges which increased the price of the games by a shitload.
When the PS1 came out with CD's which had a shitload of more space while also being ridiculously cheap, devs jumped the ship.
Nintendo was also rigorous on what can and what can't be on the console. Basically if you wanted your game on the NES or SNES, you couldn't make the game for any other console.
All that added bad blood between Nintendo and the 3rd party devs/publisher. At first the publisher literally needed Nintendo if they wanted to be successful. Nintendo was gaming. But now they don't need them. They have Sony, MS and PC for it. Now Nintendo needs to suck up to them. But even when they do, the 3rd party showed no signs of actually wanting to support them.
The WiiU was a perfectly fine console. Yet the devs butchered games and released god awful ports that run worse than PS3/360 versions despite the WiiU being more powerful. Now it appears that 3rd party simply dislike Nintendo and just search for excuses of why they aren't making games.
>>341138749
You're moving the goal post. You said it's because they had to pay royalties, which is not the case.
>>341138698
Sega was just as bad as Nintendo in dealing with third parties. Even though Sega introduced CD games, it was Sony that actually convinced third parties to make the move by offering a new way to manufacture and publish games.
>>341137193
I have no idea about how Microsoft works, but you gotta understand that "Sony" doesn't make games.
At the top of my head,
Nintendo studios:
Nintendo - Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, Zelda U, Triforce Heroes, Mario Maker
HAL - Smash, Kirby just released
IntSys - Fates recently released
Monolith - Xenoblade X released a year ago and helping with Zelda U
Good Feel - Yoshi's Wooly World moderately recently released
Next Level Games - Federation Force soon to release
Gamefreak - Pokemon slaves
They have tons of studios that released things recently, most are on handheld.
Sony studios:
Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4 recently released
Santa Monica - Working on unannounced GoW
Guerrilla - Horizon still not released
Sucker Punch - Infamous, nothing since
Media Molecule - Doing something I guess
Everything else is 3rd parties doing stuff
>>341138698
That was the case until the PS1 removed any paywall to publish games. They even handle dev kits to indies. That was the same gen Nintendo devs needed silicon valley to program games. It has been downhill since then.
>>341139639
It's kinda insane how few leaks there have been for Nintendo so far
Just the Zelda art from Amazon i guess
>>341139639
This. We got Mario Maker leaked that way. What the fuck.
>Nindies
Seriously who markets this stuff, who is the man responsible for naming these things at Nintendo
>>341120716
They're just going to show up Zelda, why would they announce such a big thing like the NX on a Youtube show and not their own Direct?
>>341139520
All of that is still inexcusable. Why should I give a shit what a bunch of loudmouth assholes sitting around a TV has to say about Zelda or Pokemon? I could get the same shit from GameXplain orgasming their opinions over a minute-and-a-half trailer for ten minutes on YouTube.
And why should I expect nothing from one of the biggest companies during the biggest game conference of the year? It's bullshit. I want to know about new shit, not regurgitated crap and games that have been delayed two years in a row.
Fuck it's bad to be a Nintendo fan.
>>341137193
Because the PS4K and Scropio aren't actually new consoles, but they are upgrades. All the games that were announced at the Microsoft E3 will still be for Scorpio
The PS4k and Scorpio won't have exclusive games.
>>341136245
>caring about shitty titty pandering weeb games
>>341140070
Paid shills, man.
Nindies.
Wonderful.
Thank you so much.
>>341139572
>Expectations
Except Nintendo is flat out telling you people that they arent having a full presentation, but instead showing you Zelda U in all it's glory
Yeah it sucks, but atleast they arent keep quiet until the last minute on the actual presentation.
For whatever reason Nintendo wants to show NX at their own event
As much as it sucks dick that it isnt at E3, Nintendo is taking the risk of having a garbage year
We will see if this whole thing is worth it when Zelda is shown and NX's actual reveal finally happens
>>341132409
>but none of hte multiplat released even after marsh 2017 mentioned anything
which should tell you everything you need to know about the NX.
It's going to be another Wii/U with absolutely no 3rd party support except casual shovelware.
We will yet again get to choose between increasingly easier Mario games, karaoke and mini game collections.
I'm so fucking done. I can't deal with another casual and shovelware gen. Nintendo can't expect me to.
I might just drop video games as a hobby. I don't know how other people spend their time without vidya but I guess if all else fails I can waste away time in front of the TV.
>>341140445
Ruggerell, no one cares. Get back to your IRC
>>341140324
Scorpio is a new console. It's MS' next gen. Going from a 1.3 Tflops console to a 6Tflops console is by now means just an upgrade. It's a replacement. The S is an upgrade.
>>341139925
You can't leak what doesn't exist Anon.
>>341139572
>Doesn't that mean that Nintendo isn't learning from their past mistakes?
The reason NX was delayed to 2017 was because they need more time to make sure it launches properly, with a healthy amount of games, while E3 is right around the corner to see even more
>Why would one be excited for NX games that one knows jack shit of?
We will in due time, just not at E3
Nintendo doesnt want people waiting too long, but it's Nintendo, their decisions are always different and risky
>>341140676
Xbox themselves said it's not a new console, god knows why.
>>341140249
Nintendo may not want to be at E3 anymore. It doesn't even suit their image with all the mature games dominating discourse. They just half ass E3 now while looking for a new way to communicate to restailers and the public.
>>341140358
why else would you buy a wii u? For mario maker? im not a twitch streamer so idgaf
It is a companies' duty to keep the consumer's attention in check.
The company must ensure that the consumer is at full trust with said company to ensure a healthy amount of interest.
Compare the anticipation between Sony and Nintendo in general.
See which one brings the most optimism and excitement
Which fanbase trusts the company they follow more?
>>341139226
>Zero was meant to be a Wii game
>Got shafted because Shiggy didnt find a stupid gimmick good enough to justify it
>Releases an enhanced port of Star Fox 64 on the 3DS, it doesnt do all that greatyes it may be around the 1 million mark now, but think when it came out five years ago, OoT3D kicked its ass hard
>Zero premieres, it's Star Fox 64 AGAIN
>Despite claiming it's not a remake or whatever, it's clearly a remake as Shiggy and co have said shit in the past that was never the case at all
>Zero falls flat on it's face so hard that it's amazing there are people who're still defending this trash
>So much denial from them that it's hilarious yet so pitiful, they keep trying to blame it on bad timing and other various shit that they forget Splatoon came out a year before the WiiUs death and did phenomenally well.
>Those who liked the sequels are laughing at them now that they cant blame Zeros flop on em or one character for that matter
>Zero did so bad in Japan that Kirby even before it came out in the US outsold it by 8x the amount (Zero sold about 35k units in japan). It did even worse than Command, the one game nobody acknowledges
>Anons a YEAR ago warned Zero was not going to do well at all
>>341120716
Nintendo can burn.
>>341140876
>yes it may be around the 1 million mark now, but think when it came out five years ago, OoT3D kicked its ass hard
OoT is a classic.
StarFox is not a successful franchise no matter how much you liked your N64 and Jontron videos
>>341140823
They need to pull away from E3, then. Do more Directs, have more spontaneous Treehouse streams. Break the fucking norm. Nintendo is too piss-scared to rock the damn boat. It's frustrating. Don't have one foot out the door but keep the other in.
>>341127641
>>341129993
>>341136390
>>341136429
Shut the fuck up. I'm so tired of being disrespected on this goddamn website. All I wanted to do was post my opinion. MY OPINION. But no, you little bastards think it's "hilarious" to mock those with good opinions. My opinion. while not absolute, is definitely worth the respect to formulate an ACTUAL FUCKING RESPONSE AND NOT JUST A SHORT MEME OF A REPLY. I've been on this site for 4 years: 4 YEARS and I have never felt this wronged. It boils me up that I could spend so much time thinking and putting effort into things while you shits sit around (probably jerking off to Gardevoir or whatever furbait you like) and make fun of the intellectuals of this world. I've bored you? Good for fucking you. Literally no one cares that your little brain is to underdeveloped and rotted to comprehend my idea...MY GREAT GREAT IDEA. I could sit here all day whining, but I won't. I'm NOT a whiner. I'm a realist and an intellectual. I know when to call it quits and to leave the babybrains to themselves. I'm done with this goddamn site and you goddamn immature children. I have lived my life up until this point having to deal with memesters and idiots like you. I know how you work. I know that you all think you're
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>>341140249
Treehouse Livestream is extremely succesfull for people who arent at E3
We wont see or play Zelda
it exists so we can see everything
>And why should I expect nothing from one of the biggest companies during the biggest game conference of the year? It's bullshit.
It is bullshit, but that's the route they are taking for NX, we'll have to wait and see
>>341140445
What the fuck those eyes
The only way they can salvage this fiasco as a whole is to announce a conference after the Zelda U presentation.
Said conference is to announce the NX and it's games with conference occurring in 1 week-1 month.
>>341120716
> has promised to feature special guests
Yep, and here is a leek of their biggest one!
>>341140885
>tfw Goku Black kills your waifu and she never stood a chance
>tfw Sony will kill Nintendo at E3 and they never stood a chance
>>341136245
>since nintendo censors every fucking weeb game they get on their platform
Nintendo is busy with the NX and all other thngs related, maybe even with the negotiations to expand their bussiness, such as parks, movies etc
Treehouse is pretty much at fault here, they were left alone and went full retard and unprofessional, hence why no comment from Nintendo higher ups has been made, they probably don't know or are to busy to bitchslap them
>>341141146
Here's your (You). Thanks for stopping by.
>>341140070
The jerk who bumped the Humble NinDIES average by $500+ or something shit amount.
>>341140249
>Watching several hours of gameplay is inexcusable
I just don't know how to respond to this.
>I want to know about new shit
That's exactly what Nintendo did since they started their directs and all they got was flak for constant "PREASE UNDERSTANDU" because the new shit you want to see won't be out for a few years. It's why E3 2015 was mostly games coming in the very near future, it's what fans fucking told them they wanted to see, not shit for games still years-off every time. Would you genuinely rather see CG trailers for games you won't play for several years? Half the shit Sony "won" E3 with last year is back and still isn't out.
>>341140876
But its a reboot. A reboot and a remake aren't the same thing.
>>341141410
it's like pottery
>>341136834
Spoiler your shit nigger.
>>341140821
They didn't call it a new console because that's how it's easier to market it.
You already have a bunch of angry morons crying how it's too soon for the Scorpio, how they bought the Xbone only 3 years ago. Imagine if they actually said it's next gen and kept everything else the same. It would be a freaking outrage.
4 years is the old console life-cycle. Not the last gen 8 year shit. Everyone complained how last gen was too long, kept everything back with the ancient tech. Now MS announced a huge jump in performance on a console that uses the same OS and architecture, which is the reason why it can play Xbone games and Xbone can play its games if they tone it down.
But if a game actually needs the power of the Scorpio, the Xbone won't be able to play it.
You could technically look at it as the 3DS and New 3DS, but the power difference is simply too big to be just a simple upgrade. It's a huge jump.
And I hope that console will see this kind of gen transitions now. It's easier on the devs and better for the consumer.
>>341141134
Well, I do believe Nintendo hasn't been open about the NX because they're not confident in it. Nintendo is scared.
>>341141146
This is why no one takes you European "people" seriously. Don't you have a "refugee" to tell this to?
>>341141542
It wouldnt be a punishment if i gave him a choice
Besides it's nothing
it's just a plot reason why you wont see Mia
>>341140445
3rd-party support means western AAA and little else at this point. the AA and niche games that would do well on a Nintendo platform aren't really being made by big publishers anymore. They want their Hollywood movie-esque blockbusters on the other consoles and that's it.
>I can't deal with another casual and shovelware gen
But that's exactly what 3rd-parties are fucking making, dumbed-down shit for the masses so it'll sell 8 million copies. PS4/Xbone are populated almost entirely by mind-numbingly simple garbage made by these very 3rd-parties.
>>341141557
They arent showing it because they want a proper reveal to directly tell people what the fuck it is
Wii U was a massive fuck up in it marketing
they are being sure to do it fucking right when they start talking
Outside of Nintendrones, does anyone even care about Nintendo anymore? Their presence in E3 isn't even needed.
>>341141557
Or it's not ready to be shown yet/they don't have games far enough along to show
>Nintendo possibly got third parties to make more ports for the NX's launch
>can't actually announce these until they fucking reveal the thing and its real name
>the longer this silence goes on, the more time people have to buythe other consoles to play the very ports NX may have gotten
>most people who bought one of the other consoles in this time won't want to double dip on yet another one just because Nintendo wouldn't speak the hell up about why we should even care about their new console
So when are they on? Or did I already miss it.
>>341142109
They have to have games
The NX is being released in fucking March
>>341131728
5:30 PST according to OP's link.
>>341140876
I would say it was more a reboot than a remake. A reboot implies that everything is starting over, which was frankly for the best with all this furshit in anything past SF64. SF643D was an actual remake.
>>341141961
Third parties hates nintendo because on nintendo consoles they have competition from nintendo itself.
That shit is a real big deal, unlike other consoles, that gets some ocasional Uncharted or Halo, nintendo can put games like year long if they want.
Even if NX is 86x, easy as fuck to port and powerful they will find some shitty excuse.
>>341142417
It ended
it was just Nindies from some dude in treehouse
>>341141109
>Jontron didnt like Adventures because it wasnt Star Fox 64
>He seriously thought it was going to be that without actually taking a good look at the cover and back description that clearly states Fox steps out of his ship in this game
I think whats bad is my older brother was on the same line, he's like 35 now and I believe he still hates it for this reason alone. He probably might defend Zero if he even bought it. Regardless, not even those LP individuals liked Zero.
>>341141525
>Implying it's a reboot
>Implying it matters if it was the case
Still shit either way, but I have to say it's a remake because I noticed Miyamoto as of late's been saying one thing and a totally different thing after.
>Claims the portals in Zero are important, as even some speculated it'd effect how the following levels go
>Was never the case at all, the portals are just there to unlock stupid bonus levels and rehashed bosses
>That anime short, yeah that totally was tied into the game with what happened right at the end with Pepper being shady as fuck and Peppy being in on it. Protip: it wasnt, at least Maverick Hunter X's Sigma short was tied into the game, in fact you unlocked that shit if you beat the game
>>341142596
That's funny, since literally all third parties that matter are on the 3DS.
>>341141973
They've never been this silent about a console before. Usually by now we'd at least have its real name and maybe even a look at the console unit or controller.
There's a problem with revealing the console too close to launch date, it doesn't give people time to prepare their finances. This is specially true if they're targeting children as they often do, as parents need to hear about what their kids want for xmas in time.
>>341142606
was it the black guy because i love him
>>341142417
>>341142606
Wasnt even new indies
Just ports
>>341142596
This
Reminder that EA got butthurt Nintendo said no to origin
EA then proceeded to fuck themselves over and ruin the Wii U version of Mass Effect 3(Which was actually good by the way) by announcing Mass Effect trilogy at a lower price for everything except Wii U
>>341141769
>responding seriously to a copy pasta. There's that murrican intellect we all know and love.
>>341124553
I love Zelda and even I'm not that hyped for this.
Nintendo has been such a disappointment these past few years.
>>341141557
Pretty much.
The WiiU's complete failure to mimic the Wii's success and the same situation for the 3DS and DS made them insecure.
I still love their games but it shows. They are too scared to make anything bold. They make their old games with a new great twist, something new like Xenoblade, but nothing too big and outrageous. And I think that's what they actually need to do if they want to get back into the core market.
They went with the blue ocean route, but that clearly didn't work out well. It gave them a shitload of money, more than any console before. But at the price of completely losing the core market.
Honestly I would completely give up PC gaming if Nintendo got the 3rd party they need, but as it stands, it's harder and harder to justify a new Nintendo system. WiiU was alright, 3DS not really for my taste. But with the secrecy about the NX, it smells like insecurity. If they are insecure, how can I give them money for it?
The only way I see Nintendo reclaiming the core market is going full Sony mod. 1 generation without even a penny of profit, even a loss in order to get games. Even if people don't buy them that gen. Even if they don't sell. It's a needed sacrefice. A lot of people say they aren't buy a Nintendo console because it won't get the 3rd party support. Why do they say that? Based on the previous gen.
It's already doomed. You now need a whole generation to have all the games even if they aren't financially justifiable simply so that you can show the people that they will get the 3rd party they want and all the Nintendo stuff. Then they might buy into your next gen console.
Nintendo is in a fucked up stop.
>>341142804
Zero is not a bad game
>>341142831
You say like vita is a option.
Also, sony have their filthy hands in like 50% of media on japan. Thats why Vita and ps4 gets a shitton of anime games.But seriously, Fuck Sony music and Aniplex.
>>341141961
there are still 3rd party games that arent yearly COD and Fifa rehashes.
Maybe they wouldnt sell, but knowing that there is no chance in hell the NX will get games like From Soft titles, Street Fighter or Final Fantasy is just disheartening to me.
It's no wonder that Capcom took RE Revelations 2 and jumped ship from Nintendo platforms so hard and fast, they probably registered on the Richter scale.
THere's nothing but 1st party games and Nintendo has recently had a very mixed track record for their own games. Then there's the occasional 3rd party game that Nintendo had to moneyhat and that only works because they saved the project from imminent doom because they dont have the money Sony and MS do.
Choice is just so limited on a Nintendo platform now...
>>341143024
By Nintendo standarts, it is.
>>341142868
Who cares about ME, EA killed the Wii U by not bringing FIFA games after the first one. FIFA is the most important killer app in many cultures.
>>341143294
Not really
>>341142584
>which was frankly for the best with all this furshit in anything past SF64
Dont be retarded anon, it was always plagued by them even before it, you just didnt know about it because you were much younger and or didnt know about them until later.I'd rather see a waifu harem go on than some faggot furshit circlejerk, what with the individuals who like that shit being incredibly retarded about their gay headcanons? You got about seven girls there
>>341142831
Portables are different
Since they are easier to make stuff for, and nintendo's sold such a large large amount
Not to mention, theres not much option in the realm of portables, just 3DS and Vita, and the vita sold so little its a jokePhones are an option too but thats a different beast
>>341143437
EA fucked up.
But they want fuckup nintendo hard too.But they bring fifa to WiiU.... Same version as Wii and PS2.
Also watch doges bullshit, and Rayman fiasco.
Third parties just wanted a shitty excuse to not make a port to WiiU.
>>341141973
They fucked up the WiiU marketing and now they are doing an even worse job. The console is close to coming out and they don't show anything about it. There are many rumors floating around and they do nothing to discredit them. People are already deciding that they won't get a NX based on rumors alone. Rumors that are so obviously false, but still floating around because Nintendo does nothing to give a reason for people to trust them.
They announced the WiiU 5 months before the release. That ended up being a fantastic fuckup. Why are they doing the same thing again?
Seriously, MS had absolutely nothing to show for the Project Scorpio, yet they already brag and market it as the savior of gaming. How can the NX be in a worse state that they can't talk about it?
>>341142469
Nintendo doesn't like showing us games until they're almost finished. They're probably just going to do a big dedicated Direct to reveal it later in the year. they need to be clear about what the fuck it is, they can't fuck up the reveal and marketing this time.
>>341142596
>Third parties hates nintendo because on nintendo consoles they have competition from nintendo itself.
That's definitely part of it, and has been said as much by plenty of 3rd-parties in the past. Sony and MS don't produce many games themselves and 3rd-party stuff always sells the best
But the massive shift in the AAA industry is to blame as well, these big western publishers can't sustain themselves on anything but massive, safe blockbusters due to inflated marketing costs and a shrinking home console market.
They just simply do not want to make much beyond these huge blockbusters and they simply do not sell very well on Nintendo platforms. They also can't push DLC and microtransactions on Nintendo's platforms, they don't have the same control they do on Sony or MS's boxes, and DLC/microtransactions are where the real money is today. Selling a complete $60 retail package isn't what publishers want anymore.
>>341141146
Thats exactly what a whiner would say
>>341143014
3DS was fine. It's still my go-to mobile system and has tons of 3rd party support.
>>341143014
They didnt even go the normal safe route they went the terrible saferoute
Where they dumb down everthing but still try to make it appear as if its for core gamers
>>341143756
It's because their shitty AAA blockbusters don't sell and they don't want to make anything else. They can't shove DLC and microtransactions at us, they can't have ads on the Wii U's dashboard.
>>341143834
>They announced the WiiU 5 months before the release. That ended up being a fantastic fuckup
It was a fuckup not because of when they announced it but how. They were not clear at all about what it was, there wasn't much marketing for it in general. You need to inform customers if you want them to buy your shit and that's where they messed up. They likely thought the Wii brand name alone would carry it and that the tablet controller would be more appealing.
>>341142596
Sony and MS have different priorities when it comes to first party. They just put out titles to help build an install base that third parties can then take advantage. A Halo fan is also interested in COD, a GT fan is also interested in Need for Speed.
The thing about Nintendo is that they just care about selling their own games. So you have a Splatoon or Zelda fanbase that doesn't migrate to third party games. I'm grossly generalizing but that's the gist of it. Nintendo is the only big publisher left that can make money off 2D platformers now, it's pretty much a Galapagos situation.
>>341124217
Pokémon
>>341135857
I ALREADY SPOILED THE ENTIRE DAMN THING ON YOUTUBE! DON'T DO THAT TO MEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!
>>341143857
>a big dedicated Direct to reveal it later in the year.
isnt that also retarded though? Directs are just watched by Nintendo fans. They're completely ignoring the free marketing you get from a big event like E3. After the NX reveal they're gonna have to advertise it twice as hard to the mainstream audience if they actually want it to succeed.
>>341143263
>From Soft titles, Street Fighter or Final Fantasy
Why would you ever think they'd get those
I dont think they got any of those since the SNES
And Froms games were never in the market for nintendo
>>341144308
Nintendo don't sugar coat publishers and devs with money.
Thats also a issue, at least in the eyes of everyone.
>>341144552
It's 2016, you're acting like it won't be trending all over Twitter and be written about on every news site
>>341143857
>Nintendo doesn't like showing us games until they're almost finished.
Bullshit. Nintendo showed us Smash 4, Bayo 2, Yoshi Wooly World and XCX years before they were ready. That thing about showing what's code to launch is just damage control for not having shit to show at E3 2015
>>341143464
Is not worth discussing Zero anymore imo, but just compare it to 64. By comparing what both games achieved in their corresponding launch year, you can see how Zero dropped the ball hard. 64 introduced voice acting, rumble, different paths, all range mode, new vehicles and two endings. Zero just tried to revamp the controls.
>>341136792
Hold up I'm a massive Shantaefag, what game has her in it? Is that Indivisible game getting released already?
>>341144213
That's why I said for my taste. Aside from Harvest Moon, Rune Factory and Zelda it has really nothing that appeals to me.
Also compared to the DS it is a failure. But really, everything is compared to the DS. But Nintendo obviously wanted to recreate the success of the DS and when they didn't manage to do it, it discouraged them. Not saying it's bad, just not what Nintendo wanted nor what most people expected.
>>341144308
>It was a fuckup not because of when they announced it but how.
No, the time is also a huge fuckup. When you're marketing something that's mainly for kids and/or is expensive, you give people more time to prepare financially. A console isn't cheap. Parents buying it for their kids need to actually know the kids want it. Prepare money for x-mas and shit. You don't simply go into a store and think "eh, I'm gonna buy a console now". People plan that shit out. Sometimes even a year in advance.
The naming was indeed a huge problem on its own. It's done so badly that the one responsible for it should have been fired, then hired again and fired the same moment because firing him once isn't enough.
>>341144639
>I dont think they got any of those since the SNES
yeah, these franchises started on Nintendo
there is absolutely no fucking reason they wouldnt be able to reach an audience there now
OH WOW I LIKED THESE GAMES X YEARS AGO BUT NOT NOW EVEN THOUGH I PLAY LITERALLY THE SAME NINTENDO GAMES TO THIS DAY
>And Froms games were never in the market for nintendo
and never will be if they are never released on them.
Seriously, the reason people say these games dont sell there is not because Nintendo fans dont like them, most of them are nearing their 30s anyway and want a more mature game now and then.
But since these titles are nowhere found on Nintendo consoles, they all also own PCs so they can play shit like that there.
>>341144984
What the fuck kind of innovation did you expect during a time when most developments have already happened
>>341144552
>isnt that also retarded though? Directs are just watched by Nintendo fans
Lots of the bigger ones have millions of views on youtube alone though, plenty of people watch them. They'll most certainly hype up their NX reveal.
99.9% of the population is not at E3 and they'd be at the mercy of whatever the press that already does not treat them too favorably has to say about it. With a Direct, they can say and show exactly what they want, they want our first impression to be the one they want us to have, not whatever Kotaku and Polygon decide to shit out.
A Direct will be the best way to communicate exactly what the thing is, they can't afford to fuckup another reveal and launch by having customers confused as to what the machine actually is and does.
>>341144984
Pic related explains a lot wrong with Zero, though defenders will rub this off as autistic nitpicking, adding further to their desperate means of justifying their $60 waste
>>341145005
Pretty sure Indivisible will have her and shovel knight and others as special party members.
>>341145090
>That's why I said for my taste
You make it sound like everything Nintendo-related is failing because of poor marketing and no 3rd party publishers.
I'm just saying you're wrong on both accounts and 3DS became a smashing success.
>>341144903
>be written about on every news site
when mainstream media writes about E3 it's always "Sony did this, MS announced that. Nintendo were also present, I guess".
They dont get any fucking coverage outside Nintendo focused sites.
and shit gets buried fast on Twitter, it's a shit tool for influencing consumer choice.
>>341145090
360 was announced in May 2005 and launched in November, it sold fine. PS4 and Xbone were revealed the year they released, they're selling fine and were more expensive than the Wii U was at launch.
The problem with the Wii U was that no one knew what the fuck it was, people thought it was an add-on for the Wii. Nintendo was not clear enough about what it was and did not market aggressively enough. Had little to do with when it was announced, and $350 is not terribly expensive as far as electronics go.
>>341145005
Runbow. It's Wii U eshop exclusive as far as I can tell.
>>341145497
Gaming "media" got biased as fuck since nintendo started to make directs.
They don't get their shitty clicks, and nintendo informs the consumer. So....
Also most retards just go at front page and get out.
>>341143014
>They are too scared to make anything bold
More like they do but people shitpost about anything that's different from what they want
3D Land and World for example
They wanted to capitalize on Miyamoto's original idea for "Mario in 3D" while also making a middle ground that both 2D Mario and 3D Mario fans can merge and enjoy
What was the response?
>WHAT IS THIS NSMB SHIT WHERES MY FUCKING GALAXY, 3D MARIO IS RUINED
Despite the fact that 3D Mario does something new every gen, and so will NX 3D Mario
But hey, Atleast Splatoon was a risk that actually succeeded
Also Nintendo did a lot of experimentation this gen with smaller games
>>341145196
>99.9% of the population is not at E3
well yes, but they all watch the streams instead
>and they'd be at the mercy of whatever the press that already does not treat them too favorably has to say about it
they are as well if they announce their stuff through the Direct
arguably its even worse since the journalists dont get to try the games out and cant be convinced by gameplay
For every Direct viewer you'd still get more doing a regular E3 conference.
All they would have to do is NOT be retarded this time around about not showing the actual console and not naming like it's a fucking addon.
How fucking hard can that fucking be, jesus fuck
>>341145331
I don't rub it off as autistic nitpicking. Those are flaws of the game, yes.
If you had to make an image for other games, it would be equally big or much much bigger.
>>341145458
>I'm just saying you're wrong on both accounts and 3DS became a smashing success.
The 3ds is nowhere a template for success. It's doing better than the Vita, sure, but it's Nintendo's worst selling handheld.
>>341145150
>OH WOW I LIKED THESE GAMES X YEARS AGO BUT NOT NOW EVEN THOUGH I PLAY LITERALLY THE SAME NINTENDO GAMES TO THIS DAY
Where the hell did that come from?
Anyway I still dont understand your "disheartening" over nintendo not getting those games that they clearly never had a chance of getting.
>>341145458
>3DS became a smashing success
oh boy, hope you like hearing how 3DS is Nintendo's worst selling handheld so it's totally a failure!
>>341145497
The coverage Nintendo gets isn't favorable half the time, they don't line the pockets of these media outlets. Look at any interview with Geoff and Reggie, then watch him interview literally anyone else from some western 3rd-party studio, Sony, MS, etc. He asks real, hard questions when he's talking to Reggie, he bends over and licks some taint when he's talking to anyone else, he can't ask real questions.
It's why Nintendo started doing directs in the first place, they likely got sick of the press determining their customers first impressions. So now they get information at the same time we do.
>>341145458
>You make it sound like everything Nintendo-related is failing because of poor marketing and no 3rd party publishers.
But that's true.
>I'm just saying you're wrong on both accounts and 3DS became a smashing success.
It became a success only after a huge price drop, a big loss for Nintendo and a shitload of games later.
Also a moderate success, not a smashing success.
The Gameboy family sold 110 million units, the Gameboy Advance family sold 90 million units.
The DS family sold a freaking 150 million units.
The 3DS family sold 50-60 million by September 2015.
So no, it's not a smashing hit. It's Nintendo's worse selling portable console. The Gameboy which had a several times smaller potential market sold 2 times more than it.
Post yfw Nintendo reveals the NX tomorrow.
>>341130720
You alright kid?
>>341145931
3-D world was boring as fuck until the endgame and special , so thats nothing but nintendos fault.
>>341146098
Though the other games have their flaws, at least they tried new things. Zero is just 64 if it was a written by a retard, in other words a fanfic that somehow makes Commands fanfic writing look good.
Is it bad that the only thing I'm looking forward to is Dragon Quest?
>>341146402
Strange that Nintendo don't seem to understand that the only ones that bought WiiUs are actual gamers that actually spend money in their hobby. They really don't need to sell a lot of hardware to make a lot of money. They just have to make good games.
>>341146725
I'm with you bro.
>>341146235
Triggered much? The problem with calling the 3ds a smashing success is that Nintendo doesn't agree with you since the 3ds missed every sales forecast Nintendo did since launch, every single one of them.
>>341146612
Yes, and Peach got kidnapped by Bowser.
And Zelda is in Ganon's Castle
>>341136432
>i-i-ii-im not a sonygger, sniffle
aight kid
>sony is more likely
Sony hasnt even released anything they announced last year, and 95% of what they announced isnt even theirs.
>>341146725
>squeenix fucks Bravely second budget to keep FF afloat.
I fucking hate those jews.
>>341145931
>3D Land and World for example
>Bold
Anon please.
Both games are freaking fantastic, but that's as safe as Nintendo can get. Literally anything Mario is safe for Nintendo to do. There is nothing bold. I'm talking about new IPs. New, completely different IPs. Something Nintendo isn't usually doing. Splatoon was a great success in that regard. Xenoblade as well. They need more of that. And they need to buy those damn 3rd party game ports.
Nintendo doing an M rated shooter would be bold. Mario can never be a bold move for Nintendo. It's something literally everyone expects and it's something people will always complain. Mario has a fractured fanbase and each part will complain that they didn't get the Mario game they want.
>>341146149
>>341146235
What do you define success as? Only if something beats the best in history?
>>341146343
GB and GBA had over a decade to sell. We'll see how the 3DS compares, although I agree that it won't beat the DS thanks to the mobile market. To say that it's not a success though is just intellectually dishonest.
>>341146167
>games that they clearly never had a chance of getting.
that's exactly what I mean though
They've had them, people liked these franchises and played them on Nintendo platforms
Then they lost them thanks mainly to better 3rd party relation practices of Sony
If they actually tried they could get these games that are on practically every other device in this world. There are still people that want to play these games owning Nintendo platforms.
A built up client base like that doesn't just implode
>>341120716
Probably just going to be an indie game reel considering they just put up a ton of indie trailers on their YouTube, don't expect anything outstanding.
>>341146086
>well yes, but they all watch the streams instead
Right, just like they'll watch the Direct, be on twitter, etc. Again they get millions of views.
>they are as well if they announce their stuff through the Direct
No they're not, they got the information at the same time we did. They didn't get it first then tell us about it, which is what Nintendo was trying to get away from in the first place by doing Directs, Nintendo told both parties at the same time. They're cutting out the increasingly irrelevant middle-man that doesn't treat them too favorably anyway.
>>341146960
>To say that it's not a success though is just intellectually dishonest.
I never said that.
I said it failed to mimic the DS' success.
And I said the 3DS isn't alright for my taste, which has nothing to do with success.
>>341124553
Just look at EA's conference to see why Nintendo are doing this. They want every story all day to be ZELDA in all-caps, not sandwiched in between a bunch of stuff they feel obliged to talk about, not brushed away with an "and of course Zelda, but was that enough to make up for an otherwise humdrum event?".
>>341146856
Mobile games are huge now and eclipse everything else in the industry in terms of revenue. Selling 60 million 3DSs when literally everyone has a smartphone is a smashing success. Everyone said it would flop and handhelds were just dead entirely because of mobile and Nintendo still sold plenty of units. It's not 1992 anymore, dedicated handhelds are not your only option for portable games.
>>341146960
>What do you define success as? Only if something beats the best in history?
Certainly not as something that is beaten by all its predecessors in history.
>>341146343
Gameboy Advance sold around 80 million. Honestly, 3DS's numbers aren't bad, especially when you consider the landscape today. Phones are a force to be reckoned with and for Nintendo to have the third party support it possesses, and the sales it has managed to acquired is rather impressive.
I don't think there's cause for concern
>>341147561
Anon, what you think is irrelevant.
What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks. The 3DS missed every sales forecast. That means it's not doing even nearly as good as Nintendo was hoped it would do.
A smashing success would be selling more than the forecast.
Since it missed every forecast that Nintendo set, not you, not me, not anon that's fapping to Link right now but Nintendo, it's not a smashing success. It made money, so it's a success, but by no means Smashing.
>>341147561
The problem with this line of thinking is that it paints Nintendo sitting on their hands watching their market share ride while shrugging because it can't be helped instead of doing something about it.
Do you really think Nintendo is happy with what's happening to the 3ds, and call it a smashing success?
>>341146343
>The Gameboy which had a several times smaller potential market sold 2 times more than it.
The Gameboy had no competition beyond other dedicated handhelds. The Gameboy didn't have to compete with smartphones. Even the DS didn't have much competition from phones yet.
>>341124553
Lets make Nintendo great again
>>341147229
>Right, just like they'll watch the Direct, be on twitter, etc. Again they get millions of views.
they would get more views from people who arent their regular customers though because they'd be "part of E3"
>>341147229
>No they're not, they got the information at the same time we did
if you dont do pre-conference showings/game demos, then nothing changed. Journalist will either see the conference at the expo, then write their garbage, or they will see the Direct stream, then write their garbage. Nothing gained there.
the only thing that actually changes anything is the treehouse stream showing consumers actual gameplay since they then dont have to rely on Polygons retards to try and explain gameplay that is too complicated for them.
But if you just announce the NX, explain what the console is - nothing changes if you make use of the E3 buzz.
If you do want to show off games for the console, nothing changes since you can still do your Treehouse gameplay stream after your conference.
It's simply leveraging the attention that is on the industry anyway.Personally I think they're not doing it because they are afraid of "competing" with Sonys and MS' conference nowadays.
>>341148025
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant.
So, by this logic, what you think is irrelevant too. If I can't say it's a smashing success, you can't say it's not, because neither of us are Nintendo.
>>341148068
But they're branching out into mobile and getting nothing but shit for it, they're not doing nothing and sitting on their hands. They're branching out into the market.
>Do you really think Nintendo is happy with what's happening to the 3ds
Yes? It's more than profitable and has a good install base.
>>341148251
>Microsoft.
Sony is a legit issue, they got their hands in a lot of devs and pretty much controls japan media.And have a shitton of roached following.But microsoft is a fucking joke everywhere aside US.
>>341148282
>, because neither of us are Nintendo.
they announce their sales forecast for the coming year at their finance briefings tho
>>341148282
My opinion is indeed irrelevant.
But I didn't write my opinion. I wrote just facts how they are.
Nintendo said it will sell X
It sold far below X
Nintendo said it will sell Y
It sold far below Y
Nintendo said it will see Z
It sold far below Z
It's pretty obvious that it never achieved what Nintendo hoped it would achieve. It's far from a smashing success.
Call it moderate if you want, it made money. But smashing means something better than actually anticipated or predicted.
>>341148582
>But microsoft is a fucking joke everywhere aside US
well, maybe, I guess with them it's more the case that they can just moneyhat everyone and their mothers
>>341148525
>getting nothing but shit for it
Go to a site that isn't full of idiots like /v/.
Nintendo announcing they will make mobile games are warmly welcomed on the Escapists for example. If /v/ is your only source of reactions, Nintendo will always get shit on.
>>341148282
Read his message. Nintendo releases quarterly fiscal reports and the 3ds failed to meet expectations in every single one of them. Even the complete exodus of third parties from handheld markets is something that Iwata had to address in investor meetings time and time again.
What you're claiming is akin to believing that being the only horseshoe seller in town is fine except that everyone rides cars now.
>>341124553
>Why should I keep my attention aimed toward [company] in the upcoming months if there have no games that I'm interested in?
you shouldn't.
>>341148251
>if you dont do pre-conference showings/game demos, then nothing changed. Journalist will either see the conference at the expo, then write their garbage, or they will see the Direct stream, then write their garbage
But the difference is that their garbage isn't what customers are going to see and read about NX first. The Direct will be, which is entirely the point behind doing them. It's not the same as going to Polygon to see the reveal, you're going straight to Nintendo instead of reading what some guy who works at Polygon thought about it.
Instead of
>Show stuff to press
>Press writes about it
>We read whatever the press decides to write
We get
>Show stuff to everyone
>Doesn't matter what press writes, everyone can see what they're writing about in the first place
Which is better for everyone involved that actually matters, we don't need that middleman when Youtube, Twitch, Twitter, etc. are all a thing and millions upon millions of people use them. We don't really need that "E3 buzz" anymore, this shit spreads over the internet instantly. They could announce NX in a public restroom in Idaho and we'd all know about it within moments. Nintendo is just cutting out the press and telling us what they'd be telling them directly instead.
>>341148884
Well, in europe.
More like sony money hat with fifa like nothing.
But Nintendo don't put market in some countries, pretty much good chunk of europe act that don't know what nintendo is or ignore it because zero support/market. Funny because nintendo stuff pretty much sells like hotcakes in France.
>>341139842
And let's not forget that they're just rehashes at sony. At least Nintendo tries to reinvent the wheel for time to time. Sony is just running their IPs into the ground or make minor tweeks to make them look like new stuff.
>>341149346
The problem with showing the NX through a Direct is that only people who already play Nintendo watch Directs in the first place. They need to show the NX in a way that other people will actually see so they can gain a bigger player base than the Wii U had.
>>341148025
Don't companies sometimes over estimate forecasts so as not to lose market value? I thought I read somewhere that this is a company tactic for corporations.
>>341148702
>It's far from a smashing success.
But you're not Nintendo, and it's what they think that matters, said so yourself. You're deciding to qualify it that way, not Nintendo, so why are you allowed to make an entirely subjective statement but I'm not?
So...what did i miss?
>>341120716
This will happen:
>Nintendo boogie man reggie steps in
>everybody claps
>a little talk about nintendo and the last years
>we have something new
>some amiibo shit that will connect amiibos and miis on all platforms
>everybody claps
>but wait
>the NX
>everybody claps
>amiibo lifetime scan
>claps
>nx new gimmick is vr
>claps claps
>you can now scan your amiibos and you can interact with them via vr
>everybody loses their shit wow nintendo is great
>>341149584
I seem to recall Nintendo saying the 3DS was quite a success, even in spite of missing the forecasts. So perhaps forecasting is not really the end all being all definition of success.
>>341149346
>>Show stuff to press
>>Press writes about it
>>We read whatever the press decides to write
>We get
>>Show stuff to everyone
>>Doesn't matter what press writes, everyone can see what they're writing about in the first place
But there is no actual difference, if you watch the conference you get to see what journalists see, if you watch the Direct you see what journalists get to see
Literally the only thing that they could do to influence this is to prevent the journalists from being the only ones able to test out the games
>>341149145
But "smashing success" is not a number, it is not objectively measurable, and he flat-out said what we think doesn't matter, because we're not Nintendo. So why does he get to say "I don't think it's a smashing success" and then turn around and say "You can't say it is because you're not Nintendo"?
You don't know that Nintendo doesn't consider those numbers very successful any more than I do, it would be pure speculation, which has already been established as being irrelevant. So drop the double-standard.
Why do you people care about Nintendo's finances or the finances of any other company? Shouldn't you just care about having good games to play and stuff?
>>341149526
>The problem with showing the NX through a Direct is that only people who already play Nintendo watch Directs in the first place
AGAIN, that amounts to literally millions of people, and it's going to be on their Facebook, Twitter, Google+, etc. as well. Everyone will know.
I just don't understand how you can place so much emphasis on a single event and then downplay the literal millions upon millions of users that do and would see their Direct videos and announcements on various massive social media platforms.
>>341150009
Yeah but that's the problem. They're not making good games.
>>341148525
They're branching to mobile precisely because they're not happy with the 3ds and the handheld market. Nintendo knows it's a dead end fit only for enthusiasts like dedicated PC machines or the Vita.
I don't know why people have so much trouble accepting that the 3ds is not a success. I mean, the Vita is actually the second best selling non Nintendo handheld of all time but no one claims that it's not a market failure. This isn't a matter of perspective.
The 3ds might have sold enough to keep the business going for a few years, but honestly isn't that a bit like dead tree newspapers have felt for a decade now? They know their business is never going to be big again.
>>341149346
Problem with directs is that you have to go out of your way to watch them. People that aren't big Nintendo fans won't do it.
E3 is different. People that are big into gaming will watch it. That means they, even if they don't have any plans on getting a Nintendo console might still tune up because they follow e3 streams. I have absolutely no plans on getting a PS4 or Xbone, but I ended up watching their shows anyways.
How many Sony or MS fans do you think will keep track on when Nintendo announced their Direct and go out of their way to watch it?
At e3 people that aren't interested will think "I'm already here, might as well watch it". On a direct that will absolutely never happen. e3 reaches a much wider audience and speaks directly to the viewer. A direct reaches a smaller direct audience and a wider audience though journalists.
e3 is also a hypetrain. Pretty much everything looks better during e3.
>>341149584
If a product keeps constantly underselling it's not a smashing success.
>>341149817
To keep the investors happy.
>>341150009
It's E3, people are always shitflinging about what company is the best financially. "NEVER EVER! HA HA, BTFO. COMPANY X IS FINISHED!".
>>341150140
90% of the posts in this thread are about hardware, profits, finances, third-party support, press, expos, etc. and not about games.
>>341150291
I've been around long enough to know that, it's just memeing/culture at this point. Still interested if anyone in this thread is actually self-aware enough to competently explain why they participate in it.
>>341124553
Is this a new meme?
>>341150009
>company makes games I like
>company goes under
>I don't get more of the games I like
Is thinking hard for you?
>>341149880
>You don't know that Nintendo doesn't consider those numbers very successful any more than I do, it would be pure speculation
There is this thing called sales forecast. Several people already explained want it is to you in this thread.
I'm sorry but no CEO ever got away with claiming a product to be a smashing success despite selling below their own expectations. Let's bring this discussion back to the real world.
>>341149865
>But there is no actual difference
Yes, there fucking is. Follow these two simple chains of events:
>Nintendo informs press and only the press
>Press writes whatever they write
>The first impression customers have is whatever the press decided to write, not necessarily what Nintendo would want, possible unclear or misinformation
>Nintendo informs customers and press simultaneously
>Customers' first impression is exactly hat Nintendo wanted it to be, not what Kotaku and Polygon crap out because they didn't have exclusive coverage and were not the only outlet for information
It's the difference between, say, watching a trailer yourself and reading about what someone has to say after having watched the trailer. It's more informative for customers and cuts out the press that, frankly, doesn't need to be there at this point in order for customers to be informed.
>>341150662
So they make good games you enjoy playing, but you still think there's something wrong with their strategy. You shitpost about their PR decisions and presentations, but not the quality of their games, which are the thing you implicitly agreed with me are the only important aspect of the company. Clearly, a contradiction.
>>341150854
>>Nintendo informs press and only the press
But they fucking dont
Are you retarded? Have you never watched an E3 before?
WE GET TO SEE THEIR CONFERENCE
THE MAGIC OF STREAMS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR LONGER THAN JUST THE YEAR 2016
>>341149817
For a really short period the 3DS surpassed the DS in sales (launch aligned) and Nintendo made no effort in keeping this information secret. So yes for a time Iwata gloated about the success of the 3ds.
But that didn't last very long.
>>341151058
The problem is that not every site put that E3 moment, and not everyone have time to watch the streams.
Directs are more, direct with consumer.
>>341150763
Again, you do not know what constitutes a "smashing success" to Nintendo any more than I do, it is not a sales forecast, it is not objectively measurable. You already said what you or I think is irrelevant because we're not Nintendo, so saying it definitively is not a "smashing success" while telling me I'm not allowed to say it is is just fucking stupid and hypocritical.
So again, drop the double standard. You're telling me I'm not allowed to draw a conclusion from this for [X] reason while doing exactly the same thing you're telling me I can't do.
>>341151031
>company makes games I like
>company starts doing stupid stuff with bad PR and marketing
>game obviously doesn't sell well because they called it New Old Game
>company decides people don't want old games instead of thinking their strategy is bad
>I don't get new games I like because of that
Is thinking hard for you?
>>341151359
Stop playing semantics, retard.
>>341151058
More people watch their directs, visit their facebook page, view their twitter page, etc. than watch E3 streams. They communicate to more customers with Directs and control what is communicated.
And you're saying only Nintendo fans watch Directs while seemingly touting E3 streams as the pinnacle of exposure, which makes little sense. Most "normies" and "casuals" aren't watching live E3 streams in the middle of a weekday, enthusiasts do. Casuals/normies read about it later on, you guessed it, sites like IGN, Kotaku, Polygon, etc., which is why Nintendo said "fuck it" and cut them out of the loop since they don't cover Nintendo much in the first place and when they do it's often unfavorable.
>>341151513
Nintendo's decision making is completely nonsense when it comes to that stuff
Sticker Star reportedly either sold slightly less or a few Mil more than TTYD, despite being on a console with 10x less the install base.
Thats bad no matter how you look at it yet they're re-using the formula.
They've changed games, made them too similar, and everything between at complete random
>>341151267
>not every site puts that e3 moment
Not every site puts that direct. In fact, non. Only Nintendo does.
>not everyone have time to watch the streams
The same applies to a Direct. Especially because the Direct is a freaking stream.
Also you can watch the video later when you have time. All of it ends up on youtube.
>>341151359
>Again, you do not know what constitutes a "smashing success"
smash·ing (smăsh′Äng)
adj.
1. Serving to smash: a smashing blow to the head.
2. Informal Extraordinarily impressive or fine; wonderful: a smashing success.
Doing underwhelmingly 100% of the time it existed is hardly impressive. So literally by definition a device that under performs literally 100% of the times can literally not be a smashing success. Literally.
>>341139639
Likely keeping everything tight lipped. Bill and a few close to his rank are likely handling everything.
>>341151537
But that's exactly what you're arguing over?
>You can't say it's a "smashing success" because you're not Nintendo
>But I can say it's not, even though I am also not Nintendo and just told you that these kinds of conclusions can't be drawn, because fuck you
>>341152197
SPM and SS are the best-selling in the series, get the fuck over it. Mario & Luigi is the better spiritual successor to Mario RPG.
>>341152202
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant
>What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks
How do you not see how hilariously hypocritical you're being right now?
I'm late?
>>341152407
I was just using SS and PJ as an example for the overall point anon
Also the fact that they didnt recycle SPM makes that decision to re-do SS even more stupid
>>341152550
We know what Nintendo thinks. They put it in their fiscal reports. Stop this pointless sophistry please.
>>341130720
nononononononoNONONONONOOOOO DELETE THIS IMMIDIATELY!!!!!
>>341152550
But it's not hypocritically at all.
Smashing success has literally a definition.
Doing extraordinarily good.
Nintendo's forecasts are a success. In order to be a smashing hit, it literally needs to go well above the forecast. It never did that. It absolutely always went well below that. You're literally retarded if you don't get that.
We KNOW what Nintendo thinks. Because they said it out fucking loud. The forecast is what they think.
>>341151960
>More people watch their directs than watch E3 streams
I highly doubt that
You still get the facebook and twitter page visits regardless whether the reveal is during E3 or later. Slap buttons for those on your stream page and youre good.
> Most "normies" and "casuals" aren't watching live E3 streams in the middle of a weekday, enthusiasts do
Maybe, but the same goes for the Direct streams
>while seemingly touting E3 streams as the pinnacle of exposure
it gives more exposure because it is the biggest gaming related event all year. This means more people are talking about it before and after. This means people unlikely to watch streams have a higher chance of being notified of the stream. This means greater exposure.
>Casuals/normies read about it later on, you guessed it, sites like IGN, Kotaku, Polygon, etc.
and it's fine that they want to combat this by being up front and personal with their gameplay. The Treehouse stream is still one of the best marketing related ideas Nintendo has ever had imo.
But like I said, an E3 reveal doesn't stop you from doing that. If you're unlucky, Chad will read about Polygons impressions of new hardware after E3 is over. But if you're unlucky, Chad will read about Polygons impressions of new hardware after the Direct stream.
If you're lucky, Chad will watch some gameplay footage and form his own opinion, you have to provide that in both cases and nothing changes.
So the only differing factor is somehow getting Chad to watch the stream despite his instincts telling him to go the gym and pretend to lift.
That's easier when more people he may know via facebook or twitter let him know that there is a stream coming up.
This is more likely before a yearly event that Nintendo always takes part in and that is infamous for revealing new hardware and getting people hyped. There is simply more time to let people know compared to a Direct stream announced 2 days before it happens.
>>341152775
>We know what Nintendo thinks. They put it in their fiscal reports
So post them. Show me Nintendo saying "3DS is not a smashing success."
>>341152970
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant
>What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks
Your own words.
You do not know what constitutes a smashing success to Nintendo, what matters is what they think, not what you think.
>Extraordinarily impressive or fine; wonderful
This is not objectively measurable, how do yo know Nintendo does not consider 3DS sales to be wonderful and impressive? Oh, right, you don't, you're assuming so, and by your own logic and words used to dismiss what I thought, what you think is irrelevant.
>>341149684
Literally nothing but nindieshit
>>341154067
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intendo+slashes+3ds+forecast
>>341154067
>>341154475
The one where late Iwata said it will sell a certain amount but it sold far less.
Or the other one that said the same.
Or the 3rd one that said the same.
Or the one where they said they hoped the 3DS would pick up like the DS, but it didn't so they slashed the price by a lot and sold it at a big loss.
Literally every single quarterly report since the 3DS came out.
I know it hurts to say you were wrong and it's not a smashing success, but no one forces you to say you're wrong. It's an anonymous board. You can just not reply anymore and no one will know it was you. No need to feel embarrassed. No need to try so hard.
Right now you're like a 15 year old.
>>341153569
>it gives more exposure because it is the biggest gaming related event all year
And I'm saying that doesn't really matter as Nintendo's own videos get just as much exposure any time of year, as does pretty much anything else on the internet.
They don't need E3 exposure anymore, they have instant exposure across the internet regardless of when or where they announce something. I just think you're placing far too much emphasis and importance on an E3 announcement, things like Twitter, Facebook, Twitch, etc. exist and attract just as many people on a daily basis as an E3 stream.
I think they just want a dedicated, controlled "event" in which to announce their console, they want to make sure they communicate effectively and clearly and the best way to do that is to simply make a Direct. E3 impressions can vary, details could easily get lost or misreported, etc. Directs tell customers exactly what Nintendo wants to tell them in the way they want to tell them and won't be competing with anything else for coverage or attention. When NX is announced, you'll see it everywhere and it won't be sandwiched between other E3 stuff.
http://www.newsweek.com/what-watch-e3-sony-xbox-and-yes-even-nintendo-469787
>and Yes, Even Nintendo
>>341155342
>And I'm saying that doesn't really matter as Nintendo's own videos get just as much exposure any time of year,
And you completely ignore my reasons as to why I think so.
I do agree on the "control" sentiment. They've tried to stress so often how they dont want to compete and see themselves as separate from the rest of the industry. I think that's hurting them in the long run since people start to not connect them to "video games" anymore and it only strengthens their image as being about childrens' toys.
>>341155350
Kek
>>341139842
You forgot SF0 and the million minigames Nintendo releases in the Eshop, same with IS and how Monolith is already working on the next Xenoblade.
I bet all the other studios are working on NX games, SPECIALLY a very important one you forgot, Retro Studios is working on Metroid/DK/a new IP.
Also, I am pretty sure that LBP is internal for Sony, not sure who does them though.
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/742514756477542400
>>341154580
>>341154978
I don't see the words "not a smashing success" anywhere.
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant
>What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks
You've contradicted this so many times. You're making the assumption that this is what Nintendo thinks, so I'll, yet again, refer you to your own statement. you're assuming that because it didn't meet initial forecasts that this is what Nintendo thinks. You're extrapolating and speaking for them, you're not Nintendo so what you (and I) think is irrelevant, AGAIN, by your own fucking statement.
3DS sold 60 million units so far in an environment absolutely dominated by mobile phones, both financially and in terms of install base. It is a smashing success, no one but Nintendo thought it would sell at all prior to release.
No proceed to tell me that I can't speak for Nintendo while speaking for Nintendo.
>>341156562
Please stop responding to this idiot
>>341155342
>as Nintendo's own videos get just as much exposure any time of year
Are you literally retarded?
Nintendo Direct:
Nintendo fans + Journalists
E3:
Nintenod fans + people who aren't Nintendo fans but are following E3 + Journalists.
What you're saying is that there are more Nintendo fans than there are Nintendo fans plus people that aren't Nintendo fans but follow e3. You're basically saying that the 2nd category has a negative amount of people inside.
>>341156061
I'm not ignoring them I'm saying I don't think they're a major factor. E3 streams get millions of views, and so do Nintendo's own videos. They're not going to be missing out on any exposure by not revealing at E3, and in fact I'd argue they'd get less as most of E3-related coverage wouldn't be about NX anyway. I think a dedicated event later in the year that only focuses on NX would get as much or more attention and tell customers what it is more clearly.
>>341156562
Summer started, alright. Clear as the day.
>>341156562
>3DS sold 60 million units so far in an environment absolutely dominated by mobile phones
To be fair, the 3DS managed to get in /just/ before that period of real mobile domination in the west, and while a success, the market has shifted significantly since 2011. If they want to release a mobile platform now, they need to be careful.
>>341156562
>I don't see the words "not a smashing success" anywhere.
You were the one who brought up "smashing success" in the first place and now you're expecting Nintendo to address that literally? What kind of fucked up thought process is that? Are you a college sophomore wanting to show up the mad skillz you picked up from rhetoric 101?
>>341157079
Youre at the very least ignoring the time argument. An announcement 4 weeks before a stream will have more exposure than one 2 days before. That's simply objectively more exposure.
>>341157079
>and so do Nintendo's own videos
By what metric are you going on? All their videos combined?
Cause there's barely 10 million people who own a Wii U.
>>341156983
Go look at view counts for Directs, tons are well over a million on youtube alone. You're placing too much importance on E3. It will be all over Nintendo's website, Twitter, Facebook, etc. when its announced. They could announce it at E3 or in a fucking truck stop gloryhole, it would get just as much attention and people would see it immediately. It's not 1996 anymore, we don't need massive press conferences to spread information.
E3 coverage is for everything at E3, it wouldn't have much coverage relative in the first place if announced there anyway. With a Direct, it gets all the attention, instead of being on page 3 of IGN's E3 massive coverage article it's on the front page of every news outlet.
>>341157719
>You were the one who brought up "smashing success" in the first place and now you're expecting Nintendo to address that literally?
First, I wasn't, and second, because you explicitly said it wasn't immediately after saying
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant
>What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks
You said "You can't make that assumption, you're not Nintendo, only what they think matters" and then made an assumption yourself on the same grounds. So if the end-all, be-all is what Nintendo says, then you can't say it's not a success for the same reasons you claim I cannot say it is. It's hypocritical, you're setting parameters and then not staying within them yourself.
>>341158296
>Go look at view counts for Directs, tons are well over a million on youtube alone.
These are hits spread out through time, not really fair to compare them to a live stream. Search the IGN 2015 E3 recordings, they all have over a million hits already, and that's just one news outlet. Apples and oranges.
>>341159485
>not really fair to compare them to a live stream
They live stream them first, then they go on Youtube/etc. so that's not counting people who watched it live at all.
Point being they are not missing out by not revealing at E3, the internet has largely made these huge events unnecessary for delivering information.
>>341159047
First it's not him who said that, it's me.
Second you wrote your post based on nothing but your opinion. You think 50 millions is a smashing success, nothing more, nothing less.
I on the other hand based my post on facts that Nintendo themselves said.
No company every will put their sales forecast for "extraordinarily impressive" numbers. Companies make stuff they think will be successful. Not smashing success, not unsuccessful. They hope for success. So their sales forecast represents what they believe is a success. Sometimes they will inflate those numbers in order to get more investors on board, but not by a lot since not meeting those forecasts will drop your company's value.
So anything, absolutely anything that sells below the forecast is not a hoped success. Anything that is not a hoped success is not, never was and never will be "smashing success" because a "smashing success" requires extraordinarily impressive sales numbers. Since they didn't get even good sales numbers, they simply by definition can't be impressive, or at least not in the positive sense of the word. They can still be impressively low.
The difference between your post and mine is that you based your definition of smashing success on literally nothing but what you consider a success. You didn't take into account anything at all, nothing Nintendo said or did.
I on the other hand took into account what they said, what they did, how their previous handheld sold and how the current handheld is selling. I based my post on facts Nintendo said.
>>341162193
>Anon, what you think is irrelevant
>What's relevant is what Nintendo thinks
>>341148025
Anything and everything past this post contradicts this statement. I can't say it's a smashing success because "what I think is irrelevant, what's relevant is what Nintendo thinks" but Anonymous can apparently say it is not despite having just said the above and it also applying to him. He went on to speak for Nintendo and extrapolate that because it didn't meet initial forecasts, it's not a "smashing success" despite that term not being objectively measurable and, AGAIN, him just saying that what anyone BUT Nintendo thinks is irrelevant.
If what I think is irrelevant, then what he thinks is irrelevant for the same reason, that reason being that only what Nintendo thinks matters. So, by this logic, if Nintendo does not say "The 3DS was not a success" then no one else can say it either. Kind of hypocritical to make a blanket statement dismissing anything/everything your opponent is arguing then to turn around and contradict that statement by doing exactly what you just said wasn't allowed to be done and was irrelevant.
