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Alright, time to decide!
Which one is better?
>>340419086
One will take it from behind and like it.
>>340419086
I like overwatch more just because no random crits
>>340419086
I thoroughly enjoyed playing both. I think they're great games.
I would have to say that TF2 is (in my opinion) a lot better.
>le random crit meme
you can disable them
>>340419086
Jeez, wait for the dust to settle a little bit before making this thread
I like TF2 more simply because it has more user options.
>changeable UI
>custom server support
>modding
>the ability to freely ban anyone from my servers without going through any blizzard hoops
>the ability to freely restrict classes, map sizes, or even weapons
>can instantly permaban a child from my server without needing a major vote
Can OW even compare?
>>340419425
At least in TF2 you can enter a server with it disabled, if you don't want something in overwatch then you're fucked.
TF2 obviously.
>>340420151
Nobody plays on no crit servers though.
the amount of stuff locked down in overwatch is really going to hurt it in the log term
Tracer is a lot better than Spy.
>>340419086
Overwatch.
Take a wild guess.
>>340419086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8A_M6eGgAE
>>340420656
This.
Spy is too easy to notice. He's so useless
In a 1v1 tracer would probably win every time, unless the spy's a particularly good shot with his amby. Or, Tracer seems like a gullible bitch so he could probably just disguise as Winston or something and kill her ass.
>>340420794
That's exactly how the huntsman works, faggot
>>340420594
>being wrong
>>340419086
how are they remotely the same?
>>340420794
But that's the exact same as the huntsman's hitbox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx-YFFnruDs
>>340420861
Only because the ones playing spy are generally retards. A good spy with dead ringer is literally hell incarnate.
>>340421057
>>340420991
Sure it is.
>>340420991
>>340421057
the problem is hitscan in OW works this way too
tracer because a chipper brit is better than a smug frog
t. Canadian
>>340421210
Okay that's arguably pretty stupid, but it's not like TF2's hitboxes are perfect. Look at the engineer's waist which occasionally allows bullets to pass through harmlessly.
>>340421057
The huntsman does have a dumbed down hitbox but it's not nearly on the same level as Hanzo. It can't hit behind corners,for starters.
>>340419086
As someone who plays both TF2 is more skill based.
Overwatch is about knowing when to press Q and what hero to play as.
A cast of 8 white men and a nigger have more personality than 21 different archetypes.
TF2 glorifies gore and doesn't take itself seriously. The dialogue never leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
OW takes itself very seriously, and not a drop of blood is ever spilled. The dialogue is pretty awfully written as well. With characters like tracer and reaper, Blizzard must be either incredibly detached from society or they expect their target audience to be 8 year olds.
Both require team coordination, but as a whole overwatch is much easier to play for someone who isn't good at videogames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>340421415
>arguably
>>340421057
Seriously senpai?
It's not the same. You can't hit people around corners or through walls with the Huntsman.
>>340421210
>>340421581
>>340420794
Shooter of the year folks.
>>340420991
The huntsman uses collision hitboxes, as do rockets, pipes etc. Hitscan weapons use a separate, more detailed hitbox
In OW it doesn't matter if you use hitscan or projectile, the hitbox stays the same.
TF2 doesn't shove down my throat the requirement of having friends to even remotely enjoy the game.
>>340419942
I see what you're getting at and I agree, but you might as well just say it outright instead of dancing around it.
>I like TF2 more because it's a PC shooter while Overwatch is a consoler-centric shooter
If you're talking about retarded hitboxes in tf2, there's the flamethrower which will hit anything even if you're having a seizure. But even then it's arguable because they're fucking flames and the pyro is a noob filter.
>>340421859
I dpn't see the problem with that statement either, and it probably exemplifies what I'm saying.
>TF2 let's me be in charge, while Overwatch constantly holds my hand
>>340419942
>the ability to freely restrict classes, map sizes, or even weapons
Is there a stock-weapons only server somewhere? I tried searching vanilla servers but they're all about pre-nerf changes or no hat modes.
>>340422510
There are some stock only servers, they do take a bit of searching though.
>The game grumps have done videos about Overwatch.
>Markiplier, a guy who usually plays shitty jumpscare and adove flash vidya, and has tumblr as his fanbase has made a video about overwatch
You will be playing with both the people who like this channels and blizzdrones. And that's a fact.
>We have discussed a lot of times how Overwatch has far less content than Tf2
>B-b-but it has just launched!
So what? We are talking about which one of them to play NOW, not 9 years ago.
What about the appeal of the characters?
>Overwatch shorts: Bland as fuck. They seem like the trailer of a shitty movie. A guy who used to do sfm animations even predicted the dragons one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGjzzmHD9nk
>It's like if the characters were from different videogames. They share no simmilarities with eachother at a basic level. ANd no, that's not "them being unique", is the game not having an overall art direction.
meanwhile:
>Tf2 shorts accomplish perfectly what they were made for: Give a chickle while introducing the class to the player.
>Characters have the same artstyle.
I really could be going on and on. Tf2 is just better which of course doesn't mean OW isn't fun at all. But it's just an objectively better game overall.
>>340422717
I didn't even talked about the game mechanics.
>>340422717
did tf2 really come out in 2007? it feels like much later than that
>>340422883
October 9, 2007, my friend. It's been a while, isn't it?
>>340419086
I have 4000 hours on tf2. Obviously I adore it. Still I feel that Overwatch is a progression on everything tf2 does. It is the closest we will get to a tf3 and it is awesome. Every minor gripe I hear about overwatch or negative comparison to tf2 can be addressed with the answer that it is brand new. If you remember vanilla tf2 when it first released you will realize that overwatch is bound to improve and become more versatile in time also. You can't really compare a game that has a 9 year head start with a new one. That being said overwatch is incredible even in its present form.
>>340419425
>he doesn't know bout randoms headshots in Overwatch
>>340419086
The one with waifus.
>>340423302
>Opinion discarded
People like you is why the game has become so famous.
>>340423302
>implying TF2 doesn't have waifus
>>340423520I want to cum inside miss paulin
While I love TF2, it is admittedly casual in the sense that I could never take it's competitive scene and general high level play serious at all. Then Overwatch came along.
I like both games a lot, but I LOVE TF2. TF2 will represent an era in my life. Meanwhile, I honestly see myself being done with Overwatch by the end of the year unless Blizzard release a fuckton of maps and provide the tools for users to make and play their own.
>>340423151
I have 2300 hours on tf2 but haven't played it in months. Is it still fun?
>>340423964
Yes. Just try to go to the right servers and you'll have a blast.
4000 hours in tf2 reporting in.
i'd rate tf2 9.6/10 and overwatch 9.2/10, they are both great.
tf2 wins because of customization and mods
>TF2 before F2P
TF2
>TF2 after F2P
Overwatch
>>340423964
I came back after three years and it's the same desu, just with more silly congas and dances
>>340423682
The problem with competetive TF2 is that it is very difficult to get into. The game flow in 6s is very different from pubs and it takes a lot of time to get used to it. Also you have to actively seek out leagues, pugs and lobbies.
I hope that official matchmaking will ease people into playing comp tf2.
>>340423964
matchmaking is fun when it works which is like 2% of the time, though its still in beta
>>340420997
>I've never played TF2
Nobody fucking plays on nocrit servers. You may find one populated every now and again but the majority of your time will be spent in pubs
>Game came out 9 years ago
>people debate whether or not it is better than a game that came out this year
I think that goes to show the longevity of TF2 and the mediocrity of Overwatch
>>340424467
Seems like you've had shitty luck there browsing your servers,dude.
Of course people play in them. And I'm not even the guy you were replying.
Keep searching, anon.
>>340424634
I totally agree with this.Shame you are a frogposter.
Splatoon
>>340419191
Typical frenchman.
>>340423682
TF2 was meant to be played 12v12
I dunno why they dumbed it down to 6v6, bar that you need to pay fewer people.
>>340423964
i tried it again recently and i'm going to be completely honest with youi had a blast. it's easily the most fun i've had in a while
>>340421581
This is pretty stupid but honestly genji is such a fucking faggot to fight that i'm glad he has huge hitboxes, would rather fight tracer.
>>340425021
Because in a """""competitive""""" scenario 6v6 is easier to follow and makes coordination not impossible
>>340419942
tfw devs said they are looking into a server browser and possibly private servers
There goes half of your points TF2 fag
>>340424467
I just found 11 vanilla nocrit servers by putting in the "nocrits" tag into the server browser. And that's in the EU alone, NA should have way more servers.
>>340425021
12v12 is a clusterfuck, there's no way that it would work as a competetive format. Since Valve didn't really support comp TF2 the community tried out every possible team composition and picked 6v6 as the best one.
If you have 30 minutes of spare time, I recomend you watch the final map of the i55 upper ladder finals. It really shows why 6v6 tf2 can be amazing.
https://youtu.be/5fo3iriSj9w?t=1h30m14s
>>340425463
>Tfw we may get a basic thing on our shit game
LOOL U SO RIGHT xDDD!!1!1!
I want to play with Markiplier and his friends!1!!1!ONE!!!!
>>340421824
Competitive mode will be for groups only.
>>340425775
Where did you get that from?
>>340423240
>random headshots
Your aim is just bad anon-kun
Right now? Depend on if you want fixed heroes or custom.
At launch? Overwatch has way more content than TF2 at launch.
>>340425775
Not really?
>>340425021
TF2 was beta tested for 8v8.
>implying 12v12 competitive fps is at all feasible
>>340425463
>when your game is so shit that the devs have to "look into" something that should have been in the game since day 1
>>340422717
>People actually believe this
Why are people trying so hard to make TF2 relevant still? Even Valve has given up on it.
>le no content meme xd
Give it 2 years and OW will have more worthwhile content than TF2. And I mean actual content and not a shitty hat economy.
>>340420594
Except for all the MM testing servers that were filled to the gills
>>340425775
its already in beta and it doesn't require groups though
>>340426265
>Even Valve has given up on it.
Yeah, that's exactly why they are shipping out updates every couple of months that add new maps and weapon rebalances. And that's also why they are adding 6v6 matchmaking this summer.
TF2 still has an active playerbase 1.8 mil players. Valve still makes a shitload of cash from this game, there's no way that they will stop producing content for it in the near future.
>>340426265
>>340425701
Also, Valve hasn't given up on it at all. They implemented the matchmaking beta not-so-long ago, and currently they are working to get a full release on it, contacting with people from the current Tf2 comp community (b4nny).
So, yeah. If you don't really know about both games but just about one, don't try to post why the one you know about its so much better.
>>340419086
TF2 looks like a solid game compared to Babywatch.
>>340425701
>>340426248
>shit game XD
>7 million players
Please go on about how shit the game is Valvedrones
>>340419086
TF2, despite having several problems of its own. Which says more about Overwatch than anything.
>>340427031
>Using sales as a way to determine the quality of a game
get out
>>340419086
TF2, obviously.
>>340426760
>Something people wanted since release is just now being put in the game
> GAME ISN'T DEAD, VALVE ISN'T TRYING TO REVIVE IT AT ALL
>>340426654
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
Yea man check out that 1.8 million player base which even if it were true wouldn't compare to OW's 7 million and counting
>>340426760
sadly each update makes the game run even worse even on really good pcs I used to run tf2 all right on my toaster now its so back and forth, ill miss the old days
>>340422717
Overwatch is a disjointed mess because it's just Titan assets that Blizzard wanted to reuse so they could recoup their losses on a game that never launched, so they slapped together a babby-tier shooter and called it a day.
>>340427031
>What are adds?
>What are youtube channels promoting it?
>What is literally everyone on the internet talking about it at all times?
Club penguin also has a fuckton of players. Does it mean it's a good game, anon?
>>340427442
>Le Tf2 is dead maymay
Yeah, because at one point no one played the game, right? Oh, wait... people kept playing it.
>>340427442
http://steamspy.com/app/440
Active in the last 2 weeks, not currently in game.
>>340427442
>being this retarded
>>340427442
>OW's 7 million and counting
I lol'd
the anime image is a cherry on top
>>340427670
I totally agree. It should have been built from the ground.
>>340427719
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
>implying it's a maymay
>>340427501
just disable steam cloud and then reinstall the game m8
this fixes all problems with the game
I'll admit that both game are great in their own right.
Although personally I feel that TF2 always has something to master. There's a progression to get better. Sure this is to some extent in Overwatch but most of the characters are linear and only have one play style.
While I do enjoy Pharah because she's closest to Soldier, she feels pretty stale playing with both of their mechanics. I enjoy rocket jumping in tf2 and strafing to dive bomb enemies. That shit is satisfying to pull off.
I just personally enjoy tf2.
Pic is my Soldier loadout.
>>340423151
Overwatch launched with:
>Infinite ammo
>No community servers
>Wall hacks
>Aimbots
>Awful huntsman hitboxes for literally everything
>Poor balance
>No advanced movement options
>Barely any advanced mechanics at all
>Press X to Awesome buttons
>MMO/MOBA style ability cooldowns
>Bad characterization and lame writing
You don't fix that, this is how the game is supposed to be.
>>340420991
>>340421057
>>340421694
He used the scatter arrow to ricochette off of the wall.
>>340428021
>50k average daily players
>dead
>>340419086
Currently OW because everyone who was good at TF2 stopped playing. I'm hoping this changes a little when comp update comes out.
>>340419086
TF2 is thebestgame of them all but overwatch is good because of Xbox one and PlayStation 4, if tf2 was for the consoles then thread a different story altogether
Overwatch, if not entirely for its potential.
It actually has the potential of getting updates and new heroes.
I really dont like the latest trend in TF2 updates, being all content from workshop, play2play contract events so you can pay more money to open up cases that have terrible items in it.The items are terrible on purpose because of the new tiered case system, meaning you're going to get 5+ of the same merc grade item in a row. They completely stopped adding things to crafting recipe, and stopped putting hats directly in the mannco store directly so you're forced to play their shitty uncrate game if you just want one of the hats.
The tiered case shit got so cancerous that the last Scream Fortress update, most classes didn't even get an item. I really don't see a bright future for TF2. I bring up scream fortress because they didn't even fucking bother to make a SF 2015. They just recycled the old stuff and told us "play the old shit again we're working on other things".
Fuck Valve.
>>340427442
You are just a lost cause.
>>340428021
>Click all
>No drop in the graph
>Always at least 70,000 players playing
....ok? I guess you proved my point?
>>340427798
>>340427831
>>340427909
Can't make a retort so goes to the classic "lol retard" comeback
I think my work here is done
>>340425463
>retards moan on forums
>"we'll look into it"
meanwhile when overwatch devs hear a complaint about a character's butt they instantly make the change
great game fellas, great game
>>340419086
Overwatch
>>340428249
Actually there's a Tf2 Xbox ver. , i belive
>>340428113
desu I really hate how the game encourages you to hold down M1 all the time with the infinite ammo and less than half a second reload times
in TF2 you have small clips with super long reload times one shell/rocket at a time so spamming is very easily punishable.
>>340421568
*scottish nigger
>>340428390
>being this delusional
>>340428327
So just don't buy shit and play the game, moron.
You don't need any crappy cosmetics.
I want to understand why some people think TF2 can not be competitive when it has been played competitively since launch.
Sure, it was a mess at the beginning because of crits, no class limit etc. But everything has been fixed.
I have 3,000 hours in TF2, have been playing it for 7 years. My friend bought me Overwatch because he was super hyped about it and it a borderline Blizzard drone.
So I played about 10 hours of Overwatch, and the thing that bothers me is that it feels hollow.
It's fun. It's interesting. There's nice moments and it feels okay most of the time. But there's a lot of shit that just feels lazy:
>unlimited ammo, so no ammo management
>above point encourages endless spam
>random health pack placement, usually off in a corner
>above point removes meta-battles over crucial health points
>too many heroes with self-heal
>20 ticks
>atrocious hitboxes
>very little gunfeel, plays more like a First Person MOBA than a First Person Shooter
>Q to win
>Play of the Game is always someone pressing Q in a group
I don't get invested in victories in Overwatch. If I lose, it's whatever, if I win, it's whatever. If I push the cart at the last second and win in Overwatch, most of the time it feels like dumb luck rather than accomplishment.
Also I think Overwatch does a horrendous job of conveying information to the user. And the stupid fucking health bar above your enemy is just the casual cream on top of the casual cake.
6v6 standard matchmaking level up is also just literal cancer. There's no casual join a server and fuck around as Sniper or Spy or whatever. There's no server browser or community to just go and chill. It's tryhard from the moment you join a server.
The one thing I'm glad about with Overwatch is that it forced Valve to wake the fuck up and fix TF2 finally.
>>340428327
>Caring about the hat stuff at all
We are discussing the games themselves, anon.
>>340428495
I know I played it but it's definitely nowhere as good on Xbox 360 compared to the PC version
>>340428051
Most TF2 maps have tons of verticality too. You can rocket jump across half the map and get the drop on some clueless idiots. Nadejumping as Junkrat, or trying to get some distance as Pharah, is nigh on impossible because most of the time your arc is limited. Junkrat's stickyjump is such a weak feeling piece of shit compared to the demoman. In general I prefer the movement in TF2. Then again I remember hating the fact that TF2 didn't have conc nades while TFC did.
>>340419086
They're the same game basically.
>both have charaters with big butts
>pic related
>>340428527
Don't forget, there's no damage falloff in Overwatch either, so spamming from across the map is totally viable literally all the time, unless you don't want to give your position away.
>>340428587
It just isn't it's nature. But i do think it's competitive posibilities are much better than Overwatch's.
tf2 is better because the classes have a better chance against each other
and tf2 has more game modes, more maps, weapons to slightly modify each character, more input from community, a (slightly) less greedy and mercantile owner
I mean there's some benefits on both sides, but OW has years to go before its as good as TF2 is right now, its floating on novelty for the moment but they are at risk of collapsing
>>340428774
TFC?
>>340421568
>nigger
TAVISH IS A BASED BLACK MAN AND NOT A NIGGER, HE IS MORE >>>/pol/ THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>340428583
First off, fuck you I like cosmetic items and customization.
Second off
But "Just play you moron" side of updates suck too.
The maps they take off the community workshop and add to the game tend to be poorly made/optimized, new weapons are nowhere to be seen, instead of work on shit people actually want we get fucking Mann Power. Why the fuck does mannpower exist, its apparently "Out of beta now" but its still fucking shit.
They wasted time on Mannpower when Matchmaking is still pretty rough and unenjoyable, pretty much all the hype for TF2's Matchmaking is dead.
>>340428908
Team Fortress Classic
It came before tf2
TF2 pre-hats > Overwatch > current TF2
>>340428617
>The one thing I'm glad about with Overwatch is that it forced Valve to wake the fuck up and fix TF2 finally.
THIS! Plus, ironically now more people know about Tf2.
>>340428997
even with hats tf2's core gameplay outclasses overwatch's by a country mile
>>340428845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKUGVGL0i4Scout has the best booty.
>>340428976
The game is a decade old, it's over anon.
What's in the game is what the game is now and forever.
>>340419086
I'll wait make my decision in a year when I may have close to half the amount of time i have in TF2.
>>340428949
>Implying he is other thing than a black scootish cyclops.
>>340428861
>unless you don't want to give your position away.
what do you mean? every map is a hallway and the enemy always knows where you are, how do you "give your position away"?
>>340428862
The game has a built-in tournament mode coming with class limit.
I know most weapons are banned using custom whitelists but still.
How is the game NOT competitive?
>>340419086
Well Spy is better in terms of utility, but as a character the winner is clearly also Spy.
>>340428997
>tf2 prehats is in the orange box
>orange box is pure shit
Sure anon, if you want to think that you didn't waste your money
>>340428021
How is TF2 dead? That's a shitton of players.
Plus, Overwatch literally JUST came out. Of course it's going to be popular. People are being paid to shill it 24/7.
TF2 is also in the middle of its annual update drought; players peak during the summer when the summer update hits. I'm not sure what your point is posting this. It doesn't prove anything.
Just play DOOM, senpai
>>340429118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09F2xUo8VSU
Overwatch is the better game sans the shitty tickrate.
TF2 is dead, no point investing hours in a game that has no competitive worth.
>>340429118
scooty booty
>>340429261
>TF2
>dead
>still in the top 5 most played games on steam
>>340419086
Miss me yet, sandrakers?
>>340429214
DOOM's multiplayer is playable garbage. butistillplayit
>>340428327
>opening crates
Why
If you want a specific item you can just trade it. Opening crates/cases is only for retards who want to bet on the 1% chance of getting a special snoflake unusual
>>340429261
>Implying OW has any competitive worth at all
heh. no. In fact, it has even less than Tf2. And that is very sad.
>>340428997
The only outright bad thing about post hat TF2 is the chargin' targe, the sandman, and basically all the annoying shit scout has now.
Being a kritz medick is suffering when you see 4 demos on the team, then realize they all have targes when I have a full meter, and none of them ever change to take advantage of it.
Why the fuck do you not want crits on demand? Even if you mess up it's better than the literally nothing I have to kritz right now.
>>340429150
Hence why it's literally always viable unless that scenario somehow arises.
>>340429261
>TF2 is dead
I thought Blizzshills were supposed to change up their rhetoric so it wasn't obvious it was the same people saying the same shit over and over?
>>340428976
>The maps they take off the community workshop and add to the game tend to be poorly made
like what? and don't say any map for some shitty mode like ctf_landfall. the maps they take tend to be already played and liked by the community like borneo or snakewater. I quite enjoy every new map they add.
>optimized
what do you mean by that? I run every map on 100+fps, not a single outlier
>>340429406
DOOM's mp is fine. People are comparing it to other arena shooters and basing their expectations on those experiences.
>>340429469
I'm just genuinely impressed that TF2 has taken on the most cancerous form of F2P micro transactions, when it used to be the most praised business model in the industry.
>>340428617
>Fix TF2
Adding comp that already exists and getting the community to make more shitty hats is fixing TF2? I fucking miss actual updates that Valve put some heart into. Overwatch feels so much fresh and exciting because every game feels different. TF2 it's the same no matter what map I'm on, 3 fuckign snipers at spawn or batts, 6 engies on point, publords thinking they're good at the game because they got a 5 killstreak on harvest. The game is dead for me and I'm sad about it.
>>340429627
pl_snowycoast got added in the tough break update and it's now one of my fave maps
>>340428997
>le hats ruined le game meme
>>340429637
That's why I said I still play it, it just feels a little unpolished to me
>>340428461
Yeah, like how they recognized the tickrate problem?
>you think that you want higher tickrate,but you actually don't because we said so :^)
Unreal Tournament.
>>340429653
I agree it became worse, but its not that bad.
You don't get anything that that gives you a combat-benefit over F2P players.
>>340429653
>Tf2 olde business model
>You can pay monies for a chance at a hat that does nothing
>TF2 newe business model
>You can pay monies for a chance at a hat that does nothing
VALVE IS DEAD
Impossible to say because I clocked a ridiculous amount of hours into TF2 and I'm not even close to that in Overwatch yet.
>>340429637
>buy arena shooter
>expect arena shooter gameplay
>it's different
>that somehow makes people's disdain unjustified
???
>>340429735
>Every game feels different.
With only three gamemodes
With only around 10 maps
How long have you been playing the game, anon? That's one of it's bigger flaws: How it gets dull and repetitive in no time.
>>340429735
>Overwatch feels so much fresh and exciting because every game feels different
nope. not at all. you may have a point if the character you picked at the start was the one you had to play all the way through but as it stands people just change character countering the same rock paper scissors shit ad infinitum kinda boring and i haven't played overwatch in a week
>>340429738
yeah snowycoast is cool
but fuck, every payload map except goldrush and hodoo are great
>>340419086
one is popular in comp, the other is almost never used
>>340428617
>hollow
Haven't tried OW yet but that's the feeling I get from watching the cartoons they release. With all those flashy animations, there just doesn't seem to be any character behind them.
I remember when tf2 was out some time and I discovered the Meet the Team videos and they were the things that made me hype as fuck to finally buy the game. 1600 hours and 7 years later I still rewatch them from time to time to boost my mood.
Even made me learn to play the guitar so I could play the Engineer guitar solo. Overwatch just doesn't seem to have the charm to make me do something like this.
>>340429821
You still can buy hats from the steam community market or get them through trading. People that open crates and then complain about the business model are retarded.
>>340430134
>Not liking goldrush
>Not pointing that hightower isn't really a payload map, but a "Do whatever the fuck you want" map
>>340429394
I missed being able to be an invisible brick wall sitting on the flag for all the shitty Pathfinders to splatter against.
>>340429627
>koth_suijin
It was so graphically intensive for the game it frequently loaded improperly when released, resulting in Walls and bridges not loading. Its been touched up but it still drops frames on mid tier PCs, I know you might be running the god tier of gaming PCs, but not everyone is. This is the map that I first think of that shows how far TF2 has gone from its Minimum specs.
I've seen similar issues reported on SnowyCoast and a few others.
>pl_hellstone
This is just the worst map I've ever played. I dont know how it got approved into the game.
Red vs Blue + Monoculus
Blue has a oneway shutter Door into last
Red suffers with various chokes trying to get out of spawn, while being spawn camped by monoculus
>>340430281
>liking chokepoint: the map
>not distinguishing payload from payload race
>>340429540
faggot chris i know thats you and your fucking ௵ shit
>>340429754
>being this wrong
You can play 60hz update in custom games bud
Let's do a tally, shall we?
Overwatch
>Shitty hitboxes that make headshots possible without even aiming near the head
>Abilities that would be called hacks in any other shooter
>3 gamemodes, 12 maps
>Character design and characterization that makes playing the game fucking painful
Team Fortress 2
>Hitboxes are generally good, unless you count the cuntsman
>No abilities, unless you count the variations in playstyle that different weapons offer. You are the sole provider of your success/failure
>Tons of maps, six official gamemodes (and god knows how many custom ones)
The winner is quite clearly TF2
>>340429839
Crafting recpies were forgotten
Direct purchasing got removed.
Random Drops don't hats anymore.
its great.
>>340430353
>koth_suijin
fixed
>pl_hellstone
It's a fucking halloween map. It isn't supposed to be balanced.
>>340419086
I enjoy both, but I prefer the selection of heroes in Overwatch more than TF2.
basically it acomodates to more styles than TF2
>>340429968
Around 5 days of playtime from combined with the beta. I would have more but work during the summer.
>>340430002
I like the "rock paper scissors shit" because it forces people to play different heroes and not do the "le 6 mini sentry engies to ruin all the fun" shit I see in TF2 now. Not to say that doesn't happen in OW but when it does you know you can play someone to cut that shit out.
>>340430149
It's been 4 years since I played Tf2 for the first time. I still enjoy seeing the Meet the tema shorts.
I saw the 4 OW short that are out. I felt like i was seeing advertising from some movie.
>>340422717
This nigga is right in everything he says.
>>340430504
>Crafting recpies were forgotten
True, but who used them besides F2Ps?
>Direct purchasing got removed.
Only for the new hats. You can still "directly" purchase them from the SCM.
>Random Drops don't hats anymore.
They drop again. In fact I got 3 hats in the last 2 months or so.
>>340430519
They haven't fixed the dropping frames on the map, I ususally only get 40-50 on it.
>>340430482
>you can play 60hz on a shit mode that no one uses
Gee thanks Blizzard
>>340430492
>TF2
>hitboxes are generally good
You clearly don't know what you are talking about with either game
>>340429735
>TF2 it's the same no matter what map I'm on, 3 fuckign snipers at spawn or batts, 6 engies on point, publords thinking they're good at the game because they got a 5 killstreak on harvest.
There are still plenty of public community servers out there that have class limits or just regs who are aware of the team comp and value quality teamwork on a casual 12v12 pubgame.
One example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtzr6PQm8Sg
>>340430353
mate I'm playing on Radeon HD6870, that's a 2010 medium range card and I get zero problems
>>340430353
>hellstone
I agree with this. But it was a halloween only map, so I don't really care that much.
>>340430764
Name one hitbox related issue in TF2 that doesn't have to do with huntsman
>>340430686
Motherfucker, I never got hat drops in 4 years
Tell me your secrets
>>340430686
>Crafting Recpies
I did, fuck trader faggots
>Direct purchasing
So basically valve is double dipping on the profits then. I think I would still prefer just paying for it direclty out of the store instead of waiting for some crate whores to put it up for unreasonable prices.
>Random drops
They do not drop recent cosmetics. I think this goes as far back as EOTL, those items and onward do not drop.
>>340430558
Then you still havent reached the point, anon. After playing for a bit more, you'll realize you've already seen everything the game has to offer. No joke.
Also, about what you said about countering the sentries, welp... Spy, demo, and solly exists, dude. Not sure what you mean to say about that.
>>340430921
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Nb-fkxVe0
I have a lot more if you're curious.
>>340430921
Pomson, but just because it's projectile is weird as fuck.
>>340431045
post one that isn't invisible crotch
>>340430558
Literally every class except Pyro and scout can fuck the Engi up, even more if they group sentries like retards
Git gud
>>340419086
Are these going to be the new "dota vs lol" threads? Anyway, let's look at the OBJECTIVE FACTS:
TF2:
>free
>higher skill ceiling through physics/mechanics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
>better dialogue and writing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZ6GrRTgrM
>minimal visual clutter by design (eg- Spy's face mask indicating his disguise to allies)
>lots and lots of content and customization available
>highly moddable, level editor
>game settings have many options to get it working the way you want
>many balanced maps on offer
>dated graphics and performance
>Pyro and Spy are underpowered in serious play
Overhyped:
>40 dollarydoos
>lower skill ceiling, very few heroes that are in any complex or difficult to play at their highest potential
>uninspired dialogue and writing: "die, die, die"
>only content/customization available at this point is stock maps and LoL-tier skins
>unmoddable, no level editor
>options are limited
>all maps are flawed in design and contain single chokes such as Temple of Anubis
>fresh graphics and performance
>it's hard to pin down a "Worst" character on the Overcrotch roster
The only factual advantages Overwatch has over TF2 are graphics and competitive class balance. In every other area - cost, skill, dialogue, readability, content, moddability, options, map design- TF2 is the better game.
Additionally, TF2's daily player count did not change with the release of Overwatch, and it retained its position as the third most played game on Steam. Check if you don't believe me.
>>340431045
>Implying that isn't on purpose.
Son, you have never seen a real texan crotch, have ya?
>>340430954
I have more playtime than you but I haven't reached the point? I'm nowhere close to being done with this game, TF2 stopped being fun for me a while ago.
>>340419086
TF2 panders less to overerly sensitive casuals and never was an overpriced AAA title.
So that.
>>340430504
>>340430686
>>340430950
recipes are still a thing what the fuck? every weapon in the game can be crafted, even though there's no point to doing so as you could trade the ingredients for 10 of the weapon you're trying to make
I just hope they nerf widow bodyshots.
>mfw I like both games with TF2 a bit more
I'm over TF2. Game is far too old. I'll eventually get bored of overwatch too and move on.
Why do games have to have this infinite playtime to you faggots? It's like people who play WoW and expect to have content to last them 5 years but get mad when they play 8 hours a day and run out of content. Of course bitch you'd get bored.
>>340425463
>tfw devs said they are looking into a server browser and possibly private servers
The devs have "said" a lot of things.
Also remember that PvP the devs "said" they were gonna add in Diablo 3?They never did
>>340431230
Ooops, i skipped the "combined with the beta" part.
>>340431202
Oh and let's not forget Overwatch's 20 tick servers.
>>340431294
As in, they aren't adding any new recipes.
>>340427031
>>shit game XD
>>7 million players
So CoD is better than Overwatch?
Alright then.
>>340431183
>Non Existant Engineer Waist hitbox
I mean we've already listed two, the other being the huntsman, but if you saying "don't say it" justifies it. Well then lets just go deeper shall we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BFm82SFsYs
If you're lazy, skip to 4:10
My wife's son loves TF2 ,more.
>>340431554
What would you want a recipe added for?
Cosmetics have never had specific recipes for them and all weapons in the game already have a recipe.
>>340421581
Overwatch is still fun, I will never play anything competative again probably so its just a big intense game which I can get out my aggressions on.
>>340431202
>overwatch is more balanced than TF2
Are you serious
>>340419086
>Which one is better?
TF2
>>340431432
but anon.. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/gameplay/pvpyou're still right, they'll never add dedicated servers. they "experimented" with higher tick rates in custom games, a feature no one uses, and deemed there was zero interest in it
>>340427719
Club Penguin is GOAT tbqh.
>>340423302
people like you are why shitty games exist
>>340431614
Both of the examples you have provided are bugs or caused by latency. Overwatch has ridiculous hitboxes by design.
>people brining up Huntsman this much
It's not like it matters much. Even if you are a godtier huntsman player, huntsman is still outplayed by a fairly decent sniper with a rifle.
When the enemies are not retards and know how to dodge projectiles, the huntsman magic-hitboxes count for even less.
>>340432003
These bugs or latency issues have existed for years and will never be fixed.
I dont give a fuck why they're in the game, they're in the game and they're not going anywhere.
Fuck I'd say this is worse, one pyro is signfiicantly better than another just because his internet is different.
>>340431185
>They are spread apart and nobody on the team goes Medic
>I go Medic
>Every Demo and Soldier I have on my team is too incompetent to make any sort of play when I uber them
I don't think it's me that needs to git gud
>>340432051
>When the enemies are not retards and know how to dodge projectiles, the hanzo magic-hitboxes count for even less.
>>340432085
>Fuck I'd say this is worse, one pyro is signfiicantly better than another just because his internet is different.
>>340431705
I'm not saying that I want any new recipes, I just explained why I and the other anons consider them "abandoned". Honestly I've never used a recipe besides restore/rebuild headgear.
>Valvedrones destroying Blizzbabies
Glorious
>>340419942
Wait 10 years, lets compare
>>340432128
Except the hitboxes are not only silly for Hanzo's arrows, it's for fucking everything. Widow could make the same kinds of shots as Hanzo is shown doing in the webms in this thread.
>>340431787
Overwatch
imagine how dull TF2 would be if it were always forced at 6 vs. 6 and you could never play on a dedicated server with the same group of regulars
tf2 is a lot better but overwatch is new and fun
>>340432193
Killcams have always never been a clear and good accurate reason why they killed you. Tired of seeing that shit being posted. Comes down to lag compensation makes it hard for the server to emulate where exactly you were compared to where the enemy saw you.
This is for every game ever.
>>340432193
I like how you cut the part of the video where it shows Widow flicked directly on 76's head
>>340432381
This, ffs.
TF2, objectively and irrefutably. But I still like OW.
>>340432115
Just go Soldier,Demo,or Spy and destroy them yourself. Hell you can even do it with an heavy if you're good.
>>340432337
>meanwhile roadhogs hook is not only hitscan, but has aim correction so hooks that would miss hit instead
Overwatch is so horrendously designed for a AAA game it's mindblowing how people can even defend it.
>>340432546
>an heavy
>>340432193
Intentional shitty design
vs
Oversights and Glitches that will never be fixed, even if reported.
Why does anyone play either of these games.
>>340432323
Widowmakers can't. It only works above the enemies head. I did some testing myself and found that above headshots with her will hit, but side headshots (around corners) has a much tighter if not single pixel hitbox so you can't pull bullshit around the corner.
Still bullshit though.
>>340432478
>game doesn't use dedicated servers
>it also has 20 tick
Keep slurping up that Blizzard cock.
>>340432381
That's why pub TF2 is so fun. You can have 6 people playing the game, 3 just fucking around playing sandvich heavy and 3 afk in spawn. And the game is still fun.
>>340432605
Barely anyone is. Only the hardcore shills. Large majority dislike it. No one here barely defends it and the videos displaying it on youtube have a large majority of people attacking it.
>>340430529
But the Overwatch classes are just dumbed down versions of the TF2 loadouts.
>>340432605
>aim correction
You're talking about latency issues/lag comp anon
>>340432734
I'll keep having fun and you can keep saying why the game I like is shit and how nobody should enjoy it.
>>340432897
Then why are there millions of people playing the game? You'd think that they would wise up after a few matches of Overbotch.
>>340432337
What map is that webm taken on?
Because if you're using bot kills on tr_walkway or other tr_ maps as an example, you're showing a problem with those maps, not the game. tr_maps load their bots with t-pose hitboxes and normal visuals, making headshots register on bots in what appears to be the wrong spot. It's a well known custom map issue, not a game issue.
>>340419086
Pre-Hat TF2 > Overwatch > Current TF2
My opinion is fact.
>>340432897
>Everyone who likes this game is a shill
>Everybody else hates this game and the majority attacks it
/v/ autism is best autism
>>340432337
That first shot clearly hit him right in the head
>>340422717
>game grumps
Lets plays are all incorrigible cancer. Fully agree.
>content
No the question is which is better. Overall. Your right, tf2 still has more content theres no denying that, the fact that we have to speculate on content we arent actually promised just means that maybe its just bad to compare the two games
>shorts
Subjective judge all you want, i cant argue against your opinion, but he did not predict the dragons short. He guessed hanzo would ult. Thats it. Everything else you could easily guess from the clip shown in the dragons teaser. He could not be more /v/ incarnate
>>340419086
The one with the cute butt.
>>340433047
Of course, go on and play your game. But don't try o defend it.
>>340433104
You can literally do this right now if you wanted to in any map. It's not a map issue, it's a shitbox issue that based Volvo will never fix because they could not care less about TF2 right now
>>340433025
>You're talking about latency issues/lag comp anon
No, I'm talking aim correction. There is a set area around your reticule and if an enemy's hitbox is even slightly within said area the hook will hit. It's around 1" in width.
In other words the hook doesn't travel in a straight line. In fact it doesn't even travel since it's hitscan, nor do you actually need to land direct hook on enemies.
This is designed to allow even the shittiest of players to land hooks. This is how Blizzard designed the entire game, so even the biggest shitter idiots will be able to have "fun" and be successful.
This game doesn't really reward skill. Instead it tries to make everyone feel like they have skill.
>>340432085
Engineer crotch is most likely getting fixed with the comp update and especially because a youtuber made a video about it recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si2YGyURTio
flamethrower is kinda fucked true, that situation in the video is literally never ever happening in a real game though
>>340433305
>I shouldn't be allowed to defend a game
Okay buddy.
>>340433189
Just install a no hat mod if cosmetics that have no influence on gameplay bother you that much.
>>340433064
Because it's new and a Blizzard game. People are going to play it for 2-3 months, after that the mainstream will leave just to come back for a week or two when they add a new hero.
>>340433047
>I'll keep having fun and you can keep saying why the game I like is shit and how nobody should enjoy it.
I also have fun, but I don't play poorly designed low content games like Overwatch.
the one without all the gay ass memes
>>340433631
Good that is like your opinion man. I have 60 hours in the game and haven't stopped. But clearly nobody should be having with this game because it's shit in your eyes. I can't fathom the reason why people would like this game too.
>>340433223
it did, that's because projectiles in TF2 don't start directly in the center of your screen but rather where the weapon is held
that's why RL and Original fire differently even though one is supposed to be just a reskin of the other
TF2
>original
Overwatch
>derivative
TF2
>Good characters with comic effect
Overwatch
>boring tropes like dwarf tinkerer, fat guy with hook, and edgy grim reaper lookalike, characters never swear or say anything offensive because that could be triggering
TF2
>dark humor
Overwatch
>no humor whatsoever
TF2
>robust modding community
Overwatch
>attempting to modify the game will get you banned for violating ToS
TF2
>no annoying characters
Overwatch
>Tracer and other waifu bait for ronery Blizzdrones
TF2
>cosmetics collecting? the game is dead now
Overwatch
>I can collect skins? Wowee!
TF2
>three weapon limit
Overwatch
>hero shooter; your "weapons" are abilities with long, arbitrary cooldowns
TF2
>several game modes
Overwatch
>KotH, payload, and control points only
TF2
>unique art style that looks phenomenal for a 9 year-old game
Overwatch
>Dreamworks face
TF2
>$20 for years, then free as in free beer
Overwatch
>$40
>>340433631
>low content
Love this meme
>>340432253
is this nigga serious
>>340433563
I mean, try. But you'll be proven wrong, as the fact that you enjoy the game isn't really an argument.
>>340433819
>Good that is like your opinion man
A game being poorly designed is not an opinion.
That is unless you think stuff like Symmetra's kit is well designed (especially her Ult), the game having massive hitboxes, 20 tick and so on to add to the game and make it better.
>I have 60 hours in the game and haven't stopped
That seriously means nothing.
>>340434019
Not a meme, dude. Just compare them both.
>>340433485
Is this what you mean? I always assumed that because the hook was so large that getting anywhere in that hitbox of the hook meant you got grabbed.
>>340425021
Assume competitive means matchmaking with MMR
>Dota 2 player base ~ 1 million, wait times typically on the scale of 5 minutes for 5v5
>TF2 player base >100,000, wait times ASTRONOMICAL for 12v12
>>340433408
>they could not care less about TF2 right now
There is a fucking massive update just around the corner. Pic related, as much as I dislike this huge-ego limp-wristed faggot, he's extremely close to Valve and is allowed to work with them on balance and comp MM, and they recently invited him into their HQ to look at their upcoming balance changes. The last time he complained about something, it was done a week later (Tough Break).
Secondly, only 13% of PUB snipers use Huntsman, and almost no competitive Snipers use it, because the arrows so are easily evaded that the hitbox issue doesn't matter. It's a crutch and you could do better with stock.
>>340434007
>TF2 characters with comic effect
GAIZ LOOK HEAVY CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH BECAUSE RUSSIANS ARE DUMB BUT HEAVY IS SMART HOW FUNNEEE XDDD
Or the "MEDIC IS FUNNE BECAUSE DOCTOR AND IS CRAZY DOCTOR THAT DOES WEIRD STUFF"
Fuckin hell are you Valvedrones even trying?
>>340434401
>ALLCAPSXD
Not an argument.
>>340434380
I can't wait for Tf2 to CRUSH the fuck out of OW.
>>340434401
>shitpost overdrive
wew
>>340434401
>GAIZ LOOK HEAVY CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH BECAUSE RUSSIANS ARE DUMB BUT HEAVY IS SMART HOW FUNNEEE XDDD
Do you see the shit you're spewing right now?
>le ALL CAPS and XD meme
try again
>be a 500 hp Reinhardt with almost half my health being armor
>get wombo combo'd by Roadhog and die basically instantly
>get fanned to death by McCree instantly
Really feel like this shouldn't be happening. I know they're in the process of nerfing McCree at least.
>>340434380
is TF2 getting pristine MM like CS did
>>340434401
Did you read the comics? Heavy has a PhD in Russian literature.
>>340434019
Overwatch is a heavily marketed AAA full-price game from Blizzard that has 3 (basically 2) modes, 12 maps, 6v6, no SP, etc.
To make matters worse it doesn't allow modding or custom servers.
You can see everything Overwatch has to offer in less than 30min.
>>340426760
Valve has given up on it in a serious development sense. They're gonna keep shitting out community-made items because playing dress up still makes them big bucks. However TF2 is insanely neglected if you compare it to Dota 2 or CS:GO.
>>340434646
Using the authenticator is the only way to play MM tf2. I guess that they are going to change it in cs too.
>>340434582
sounds fine, you're supposed to be a shieldbot for the team, not a fighter
you lose a 1v1 against everyone by design
>>340423240
>he doesn't know bout randoms headshots in TF2
>>340432337
>>340434401
...wow. You really tried hard in there, anon.
The Tf2 shorts are much better than OW's. There are Tf2 comics out there. Even the voicelines reflect perfectly the personalities of each one of the classes.
What the fuck are you talking about.
>>340434582
TTK in general is way too fast in Overwatch. It's a hero shooter with high damage abilities and has a TTK comparable to fucking CS.
>>340434791
It's not like it's a big deal,even if you don't have a phone you can just use WinAuth
>>340434791
>Using the authenticator is the only way to play MM tf2
yeah because it's not out yet
>>340434832
That's only the huntsman, which uses the collision hitbox (as do all other projectile based weapons). No one uses the huntsman seriously anyway.
>>340434819
I've had a decent time winning 1v1 fights against certain characters but yeah most of the time I'm fucked because I have no way of engaging at range. At this point I just try to avoid Roadhog and McCree.Then they sneak up behind you because no one is watching the side paths
>>340434952
Valve needs to be doing an amazing job when even b4nny, the walking and breathing salt mine is this excited.
>>340434401
They have to be super-cheesy in the voice lines. What the fuck do you expect "Good" voice line humor to be? What amazing jokes can you crack in about 2 seconds in the middle of a firefight?
TF2 characters are fucking bro-tier, man. They're subtle and have fairly complex interaction in the expanded universe.
Overwatch characters are about as one-dimensional as cardboard, and are constantly depicted as nothing but "LOL EBIG BADASS". See Overwatch Shorts Vs. Meet The Team, Expiration Date. And the comics are fucking great - there's a decent balance of dark humor, seriousness and actual plot.
>>340419086
tf2 was never a great game and i don't plan on ever playing overwatch. i hear it's like 20 tick or something though which if true is fucking retarded.
>>340434561
You're retarded if you think this is going to happen
>>340434284
>Is this what you mean?
I mean this.
It does a check, if the target
>is within range
>is within the aim correction circle
they will get hit by the hook.
>>340430149
>Even made me learn to play the guitar so I could play the Engineer guitar solo.
>>340434123
tf2 out for 9 years fag
>>340434561
It could if it wasn't Valve.
by the Time TF2's MM system is out and is actually good, OW will probably have around 30 heroes.
>>340419086
It's really strange. Obviously Overwatch tried to borrow some ideas from TF2, but it didn't do it nearly enough. Like it doesn't spawn the teams in waves. I can't remember everything from the beta, but there was some other stuff like that too. Ultimates seen like they're just there to be a comeback mechanic and let bad players feel cool. I could go on.
TF2 isn't as flawlessly designed as it once was, but I would still say now it's better than Overwatch. The fact that it's comparable and free I think makes it quite a bit more attractive if I had to recommend one. Even if TF2 was the same price as Overwatch I'd still say it's better though.
>>340420991
Every OW projectile works that way
>>340434380
>an update bigger than competitive mode
What could he mean? Surely competitive will have matchmaking already implemented. Mvm 2.0?
>>340435410
Servers are 60 and client is 20
>>340428617
I agree that Blizzard went through great lengths to make sure the most casual of players can enjoy it, but if you're playing with shit players you're going to have shit experiences. Honestly play doesn't become interesting until you start getting matched with level 50+ players. I know level =/= MMR, but it's generally correlated with basic game knowledge. Playing with competent teammates AND enemies shows there's depth to the game, it's just in its early stages.
You could get away with so much shit 2007-era TF2 that isn't possible now because, in spite of the F2P change, the general level of play is higher than when it first came out. The same will happen to Overwatch, especially with hero/map/gameplay additions/tweaks.
>>340435351
he's happy because MMR matchmaking literally doesn't exist right now, so he gets matched with zero hour players constantly
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
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>>340435735
no, it's the other way around
>>340431202
Dear lord this is the one /v/ meme I cant fucking stand.
>game x is OBJECTIVELY BETTER. Game y is complete shit have you seen the color scheme?
>better dialogue/writing
The only thing OW has over TF2 is an active dev team, isn't F2P, and isn't running on a decade old engine. In every other category TF2 is superior.
There just isn't that much to do in OW, you're going to struggle to find new things to do at 500 hours much less 1k+. It's designed for consoles and suffers from it.
>>340435608
and how is this relevant? OW has to compete now with current TF2, not TF2 9 years ago.
>B-B-B-B-B-BUT THEY'LL CHANGE IT!!!!
not an argument. in 9 years TF2 will have even more content
>This game that had 9 years to perfect itself is better than this game that just released guys!
>What do you mean TF2 has issues still?
>REEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING BLIZZSHILLS FUCKING SHIT FAGGOTS TF2 IS PERFECT FUCKIGN CASUAL BABYWATCH
This is what I got from the thread, how accurate?
>>340434853
you fucking killed me anon
>>340428949
THIS THIS THIS FUCKING POLFUCK >>340421568 LEAVE LEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEE
>>340435768
I was reffering to his recent visit @ valve.
>>340435351
he's salty because clockers cucked him big time
tracer is fucking CUUUTE
>>340432051
ive killed sentires as scout just by quickly peeking back and forth. only thing that can stop you are rockets, which usually would kill you but hopefully another teammate can finish it off.
>>340430482
whoopeee!
>>340435829
>440 reviews compared to 5784
Actual shilling going on here
>>340435829
You need to update your pic.
>>340434952
Matchmaking, Mayan hats, and large-scale weapon stat tweaking (which has happened multiple times) isn't very exciting. Oh, they might throw in a community map or two.
>>340430719
Way to move the goalposts
>>340436118
tf2 has been built by the community not valve
tf2's community is dead right now
OW's community has just been born.
Get off this thread valvedrone
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>>340421581
You keep fucking posting these same webms over and over but you're not convincing anyone, just pissing people off.
>>340433680
Sooooooo....?
>>340436130
One is a small game initially sold as part of a package with episode 2 and portal. It also got worse in many ways with time, especially after going F2P.
The other is a AAA full-priced game from Blizzard with over a year long Beta.
You'd think the latter would be so massively superior it's not even a contest, but it's not.
In fact Overwatch doesn't just feel unfinished/lack polish, but also has tons of design flaws.
The game mostly sold on marketing and the Blizzard name, not on the quality of it. This is pretty similar to most recent Blizzard games.
>>340421581
That's why there was a reddit /gaming/ thread about a crippled guy being thankful for Blizzard because even he can be a sniper in this game.
>>340435829
>>340436473
>If this was literally any other game the poster would be fucking ass raped for going on Metacritic
>But it's Overwatch so it's ok
Look at how quality these reviews are
>>340436505
>OW's community has just been born.
I don't see how this even matters when stuff like modding doesn't even exist in Overwatch.
>All these gifs/webms of people landing hits accurately on giant hitboxes
>mfw this never happens to me in game as I aim and shoot at people semi-precisely
I really thought I'd be better at this fucking game.
>>340435726
Gaben is my uncle, here's what's it's going to be
>new maps
>more balance changes than ever before to coincide with MM
>new MvM maps and a tour with them
>new weapons but disabled in MM until they're deemed okay
>new contract campaign with a buyable pass
>account levels are introduced with an almost guaranteed cosmetic item drop on levelup similar to OW, F2P players get half the normal XP to encourage them to give my uncle cash
that's about it
>>340428949
Nigger.
>>340430281
I remember joining a Hightower server and I saw a soldier who would just rocket jump around, landing on people's heads, and then he'd do a conga whilst on their head. Was pretty fucking funny. I like that there's a map where you can just piss around merrily and the tryhards get upset. Overwatch will never have that.
>>340436480
>an environment for skilled players to jump into battles and fight each other over dedicated nocrit servers at any time, more fun customizable content, and greater variation in gameplay isn't something to be excited about
Oh come now anon don't be so jaded.
And also dont' forget that Mayann isn't the only community update in the works, we also have Iron Gauntlet (desu the cosmetics are shit, but the MvM maps for it are amazing and fun) and Ye Olde Workshop (Monty Python hats and more).
>>340436779
now post the 10 point reviews saying "BEST GAME EVUR!!!"
post favorite domination quote.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/e1/Scout_dominationsnp05.wav?t=20100625232715
>>340435467
Its fucking horseshit. Double blink recall, and still fucking hooked
>>340436779
Now look at how horrible the reviews are that give it straight 10s.
>>340422717
>>The game grumps have done videos about Overwatch.
>>Markiplier, a guy who usually plays shitty jumpscare and adove flash vidya, and has tumblr as his fanbase has made a video about overwatch
>You will be playing with both the people who like this channels and blizzdrones. And that's a fact.
I'm sorry, are you actually saying that TF2's userbase is any better?
>>340436505
>tf2's community is dead right now
in your shitty opinion. in everyone else's eyes it has more players and activity than it ever did before.
>>340434007
>TF2
>>Good characters with comic effect
>Overwatch
>>boring tropes like dwarf tinkerer, fat guy with hook, and edgy grim reaper lookalike,
Baseball player
Military grunt
Coal miner
Mad scientist
Fat Russian
Crocodile Dundee
Bond Villian
Totally original and definitely not stereotypes.
>characters never swear or say anything offensive because that could be triggering
So like TF2, then.
>>340428113
Dont forget that everyone moves at a snails pace and the only way to actually dodge anything is with vertical movement, its why Widowmaker has such an edge over everyone
>>340436541
He doesn't need to convince anyone. It's right there, plain as day.
>>340436541
what's there to convince about? it's clear as in black and white
>>340436663
Myself and a majority of my friends made Battlenet accounts just for this game because we weren't Blizzshills but Steamshills instead so that whole "it sold because of the Blizzard name" is bullshit for many others I assume.
Thousand+ hours on tf2 but haven't played it for more than an hour or so at a time in four years, so I don't hate the game, I just think Overwatch is better than TF2 is right now. Was it better than base tf2 with no crits? My gut says yes but nostalgia says no. Overwatch just plays way faster than TF2 ever did.
TF2 was great but once they started to fill class weaknesses with loadouts and hats started becoming a thing, it was no longer about TF2 and about the money it could generate and the community always seems to reflect that whenever I fire it up.
>>340431283
>TF2 panders less to overerly sensitive casuals and never was an overpriced AAA title.
>So that.
TF2 was originally only purchasable as part of a 50 dollar premium box or 40 dollars standalone m8. So basically 100% identical to Overwatch at launch only that it had about 1/3rd the maps and half the characters.
>>340437392
>Coal miner
?
>So like TF2, then
"Fruitshop owner"
"Mental defective"
"Fat fatty fat fat"
"girl" or "woman" is used as an insult by Soldier or against Medic multiple times
"bloody" (as a slang term this refers to menstruation, btw)
Off the top of my head, and there's plenty more where that came from. There's plenty fun, insulting dialogue in TF2 that would be considered very offensive. Don't make up bullshit.
It's obvious to see that Overwatch is a game catered to the PG-13 audience, made as inoffensive as possible. In fact, I think there might even be a design doc floating around somewhere explicitly stating it.
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>>340422717
> You will be playing with both the people who like this channels and blizzdrones. And that's a fact.
I'm not going to say anything about the quality or lack thereof for the community, but based on how heavily Blizzard has been marketing Overwatch I would be surprised if they didn't pay for both of those videos.
>>340437734
>Overwatch just plays way faster than TF2 ever did.
>>340437350
Cortate la yugular amigo mio
>>340436793
>I don't see how this even matters when stuff like modding doesn't even exist in Overwatch.
yet
>>340437165
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/ec/Engineer_dominationengineer04.wav?t=20100709021821
I'm a sucker for southern accents
>>340437392
tf2's characters and artstyle outclasses overwatch in so many ways.
>>340437392
At least in TF2 they embrace the stereotypes and acknowledge how silly they are. OW despite using stereotypes and cliches as well, tries to convince you that those characters are meant to be taken seriously.
>characters never swear or say anything offensive because that could be triggering
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/8a/Soldier_DominationDemoman01.wav?t=20100625232206
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/3/37/Soldier_DominationDemoman03.wav?t=20100625232210
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/ea/Spy_DominationDemoMan05.wav?t=20100625234550
Maybe it isn't too vulgar, but enough to offend some whiny bitch.
>>340437392
>coal miner
>fat russian
Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
TF2 died because valve killed it.
Now unless you have a vested interest in the items or love playing 2fort there's nothing for you to do anymore in the game.
Overwatch is ok but there's issues with it I know that Blizzard will never fix because they're Blizzard. Such as the 20 tickrate because they're a bunch of fucking jews who can't spend a little more on server costs despite getting 10 million a month from WoW
>>340436118
>TF2 will have even more content
Hahahaha Valve LITERALLY ditched it and left it up the community to do work for 25% of the profits like the Jews they are. New weapons skins aren't "content"
>>340435829
>5000 of those reviews are pony fags expressing pleasure in the new MLP hats/items in TF2 mannco store
We truly live in dark and evil times
>>340437736
TF2 was $20 standalone.
>>340436663
You had to pay 50 dollars for access to the game. Overwatch is 40 dollars at a minimum. By "full-price" I'm assuming you meant 60.
Also, it was in beta for about 5-6 months, not even close to a year.
>>340437008
That's what the Brawl mode is supposed to be for. There is a game mode literally dedicated to fucking around that changes every week. It may or may not be better than just dicking around in a server, but it's there. Also, playing with a stack means you pretty much get to do whatever you want in matchmaking. For better or for worse, Overwatch is more fun with a group of friends you can communicate with.
>>340437392
Why do ignorant people like you even think it's a good idea to even start posting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX__swbUwag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIrP5AvUxM
Not only is the script better, but so is the voiceacting. These characters have 100x more personality and they're designed as generic characters, not even named ones like in Overwatch.
Also, the BM is a million times better in TF2. In Overwatch we have shit like Soldier 76 saying stuff like he's doing his job while the opponent isn't as his most offensive BM.
Blizzard doesn't want Overwatch to upset any of their players in any way. This is why they removed KDA, have the commend system and medals (if we ignore all the stuff they did in terms of gameplay, etc).
>>340437942
overwatch's characters are so fucking pathetic. why are they so serious? all the shorts have been really, really tryhard, and it's all "muh omnic crisis" as if anybody fucking CARES about that shit. jesus christ metzen needs to OD already
>>340437659
how in any way did this discredit his argument?
>>340437659
>"it sold because of the Blizzard name" is bullshit
Blizzard games don't sell on quality anymore. They sell on marketing and the Blizzard name. I'm sorry if you don't realize this.
>>340438093
>For better or for worse, Overwatch is more fun with a group of friends you can communicate with.
this applies to every game though.
>>340437915
>Modding in a Blizzard game
The last game from them that had modding was SC2, and it came out 6 years ago.
>>340437915
>blizzard game
>modding
I'd like to see that
>>340437392
m8 I like overwatch but the character designs are literally 'intern's first character designs'.
I played some TF2 todayto practice on sniping maps so I can not shit up my team when I pick widowmaker. And I got to say, despite being way less "vibrant" than overwatch it does still seem to have more character.
>>340437541
>>340437618
>what is confirmation bias?
>>340437736
>or 40 dollars standalone m8
Nice job trying to correct someone retard, it was 20$ standalone later.
The Orange Box was 50$, which is 10$ more than Overwatch on PC but also gave you Portal and Episode 2, which is way more bang for your buck than Overwatch.
>>340437734
>Overwatch
>fast
How's Opposite World working out for you, Anon?
>>340419086
CS1.6
>>340437998
You're mad about Valve letting the community make things in exchange for money? Blizzard don't let the community make anything at all.
Let's go over it again, shall we?
TF2:
>free
>higher skill ceiling through physics/mechanics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
>better dialogue and writing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZ6GrRTgrM
>minimal visual clutter by design (eg- Spy's face mask indicating his disguise to allies)
>lots and lots of content and customization available
>highly moddable, level editor
>game settings have many options to get it working the way you want
>many balanced maps on offer
>lots of custom community servers and high-quality Valve servers
>dated graphics and performance
Overhyped:
>40 dollarydoos
>lower skill ceiling, very few heroes that are in any complex or difficult to play at their highest potential
>uninspired dialogue and writing: "die, die, die"
>only content/customization available at this point is stock maps and LoL-tier skins
>unmoddable, no level editor
>options are limited
>all maps are flawed in design and contain single chokes such as Temple of Anubis
>20 tick Blizzard servers, nonexistent custom servers
>fresh graphics and performance
>>340419942
>modding
Who the fuck cares about modding?
>>340437998
you are really stupid
>>340438026
we had a good almost 400 posts without anyone bringing up MLP, then this mememaster had to come in here and do it
>>340438409
>there are people who bought Orangebox for things other than TF2
What kind of shitter didn't already have Episode 2 anyway? Hopefully not you fag
>>340421519
>>340421689
But you can, seen it so many times it hurts.
>>340438553
>What kind of shitter didn't already have Episode 2 anyway? Hopefully not you fag
Considering the release date was the same as Orange Box? No one.
I fail to see your point either way.
>>340438494
god that demoman vid gets me every time. good thing i mostly main soldier, heavy or medic.
>>340438550
>we had a good almost 400 posts without anyone bringing up MLP, then this mememaster had to come in here and do it
Well he brought up the 5000 horsefucker reviews so I was obligated to do so. That is 110% of the reason Overwatch is better than TF2. It doesn't pander to horsefuckers and horsefuckers don't make up 99.99% of the playerbase
>>340419086
Team Fortress 2=PROS
-Good Gameplay
-Some good/Hated Weapons
-Sometimes you can feel part of MLG.
-You can change HUD
CONS
-¿Still they dont have Ranked games?
-Hat simulator 2016
-The Youtubers feel boring
-Where are my weapons Valve?
Overwatch -PROS-
-Enjoyable Gameplay
-Fun
-The Heroes are fun to play
-The ultimates are a secondary goal.
-Winston
CONS
-Tracer.
-D.VA
-It feels like LoL
-Some ultimates feels unfair (AKA Fun police)
>>340434853
underrated post
>>340438674
fuck off barneyfag, I though all 10000 of your proxies were permabanned already
>>340438553
>What kind of shitter didn't already have Episode 2 anyway?
um, nobody, because orange box was the simultaneous release of episode 2, portal, and tf2.
>>340438494
>I'll miss you video blocked in your country
>>340438506
Everyone but you, I suppose.
>>340438780
I don't know who this barnyfag is but it sounds like you and him need to get the fuck >>>/out/ and go fuck some goddamn horses in TF2 and leave us normalfags alone
Gotta love these autistic valve shills. You're not fooling anyone. After the F2P update only bronies and spergs play.
>>340419086
>2016
>people still think this outdated hat simulator is relevant in any way
I pity the poorfags
>>340438896
>I don't know who this barnyfag is
First year?
>>340437959
>Now unless you have a vested interest in the items or love playing 2fort there's nothing for you to do anymore in the game
Untrue. Community servers are aplenty, multiple Payload/Koth/CP/AD Valve servers are populated all the time AND Valve recently released the "alternate" server rotation which runs Hydro, Degroot Keep, Watergate and Doomsday. Matchmaking is in active development as confirmed by beta testers and b4nny.
In fact, 2fort servers aren't even the most popular type of server anymore (in Australia anyway)- there's a Payload Valve server full with 24 players every day and every night here.
There are 170 unique non-reskinned weapons in the game to play around with, there are plenty of game modes, there's co-op Mann versus Machine, there's Pass Time and Mannpower, and if that's still not enough for you there's community competitive Highlander/6v6/4v4/Ultiduo, custom content, and mods like b-ball, prophunt, zombie fort, randomizer, x10, buildfort, and much more.
So don't lie anon. Saying 2fort and items is the only thing to do in TF2 is a fucking lie.
>>340431202
>>minimal visual clutter by design (eg- Spy's face mask indicating his disguise to allies)
Are you fucking blind man? Maybe years ago but certainly not now.
>>340438896
You're not being funny. Stop pretending to be retarded.
according to /v/ TF2 since 2007 is just games of nothing but soldiers practicing rocket jumping because it's the only source of depth in the game
>>340438996
>Gotta love these autistic valve shills.
More like people hate Blizzard and Overwatch more than Valve and TF2.
But nah you're right, Blizzard is based and Overwatch is the best game in years.
>>340437942
Are you kidding? Reaper has an in-game voice line calling himself a "high-functioning psychopath". How is that shit not hilarious? He's so over the top I can't believe people think he's meant to be fully taken seriously. Other characters say silly shit or taunt other heroes after killing them. I agree that the PG-13 content filter is generally shit, but it's certainly not taking itself seriously all the time. Overall the writing is inconsistent in quality, anyway.
>>340438269
To a certain extent, but I find Overwatch is that much more dependent on team composition that hopping into a pub alone and seeing no one on your team pick tank or healer can be a nightmare. You're almost guaranteed to lose, and even if you're really good, you can't solo kill everyone with every hero like you can with a Soldier or Demoman in TF2, assuming you're matched against equally skilled players. It quickly becomes frustrating and you'll probably be filling the same role more than half the time if you want to win.
>>340439134
>according to /v/ TF2 since 2007 is just games of nothing but soldiers practicing rocket jumping because it's the only source of depth in the game
Spy has more depth than any character in Overwatch.
>>340419086
TF2 has way better characters. Despite them being literal nonames.
>>340439096
???
Give an example please. And no, unusuals don't count.
>>340437959
>Now unless you have a vested interest in the items or love playing 2fort there's nothing for you to do anymore in the game
Untrue. Community servers are aplenty, multiple Payload/Koth/CP/AD Valve servers are populated all the time AND Valve recently released the popular "Alternate" server rotation which runs Hydro, Degroot Keep, Watergate and Doomsday. Matchmaking is in active development as confirmed by beta testers and b4nny.
In fact, 2fort servers aren't even the most popular type of server anymore (in Australia anyway)- there's a Payload Valve server full with 24 players every day and every night here. By around 7 o'clock at night, every game mode has 5 or more active servers full and running. Not just 2fort.
There are 170 unique non-reskinned weapons in the game to play around with, there are plenty of game modes, there's co-op Mann versus Machine, there's Pass Time and Mannpower, and if that's still not enough for you there's community competitive Highlander/6v6/4v4/Ultiduo, custom content, and mods like b-ball, prophunt, zombie fort, randomizer, x10, buildfort, and much more.
So don't lie anon. Saying 2fort and items is the only thing to do in TF2 is a fucking lie
>>340433104
Its an official map, old one called cp_well so no, your terrible excuse of "Not a real map" is bad.
>>340439069
Sorry I don't keep track of namefags, tripfags or horsefuckers. I come here to shitpost
>>340439346
So you shit up /v/ and are proud of it?
>>340435829
>>340436473
>All these buttmad Valvedrones trying to drag the score down.
>>340429261
>>340438026
>>340439000
>>340436505
>>340438996
>TF2 fans make comprehensive posts detailing why their game is superior and will far outlast Overwatch
>Overwatch kiddies only have "DUURRR DEAD GAEM HAT SIMULATER PONIEFUCKERZ" x500
How's the quicksand, Blizzies?
so what are the other "advanced mechanics" in tf2 other than rocketjumping?
TF2 players BTFO
>>340439729airblasting
>>340439763
You should rename it to "Valvedrones getting punched"
>>340439763
>that texture quality
>>340439729demoman takes skill
>>340439253
MEET THE OVERWATCH CREW:
BASTION: SOME ENGINEERS SENTRY THAT TURNED TERMINATOR
D.VA: i have no clue
GENJI: DEMOMAN IN FULL GREY COSMETICS
HANZO: HUNTSMAN SNIPER
JUNKRAT: litteraly a white demoman
LUCIO: SOME RANDOM NIGGER
MCCREE: haha he's a cowboy
MEI: PYRO HAS A RETARDED SISTER
MERCY: MEDIC'S SISTER
PHARAH: A FUCKING MAGGOT
REAPER: A COPY FROM THE SPY
REINHARDT: HEAVY WITH AXE
ROADHOG: wait is this the heavy?
SOLDIER.76: SOME RANDOM GUY FROM COD
SYMMETRA: ENGINEER
TORBJORN: ENGINEER
WINSTON: HARAMBE
ZARYA: poor heavy clone
ZENYATTA: white muslim
FUCK OVERWATCH
>>340439486
Don't try to deny /v/ was ever anything more than /b/ with a thin veil of videogames. All the substance left for /vr/ and /vg/ fag
>>340439678
TF2 being a horsefucker paradise is a LEGITIMATE CRITICISM. If it wasn't for that absolute fact I'd still be playing it. But no I can't find ONE quality server with a decent map rotation for capture points that isn't full of ponyfuckers saying "FRIENDLY" and dancing and talking about sticking their shitdicks in a horse.
>>340438126
>I.eat.your.sandwiches, I eat em up!
Fucking amazing, never would have guessed a There Will Be Blood reference would be in TF2
>>340438349
something that doesn't apply here, something you would know if you attempted to google the term you're trying to use
>>340439096
Yes, I am serious. While the artstyle of the game has degraded a bit, still the worst that's happened to TF2 is the banana hat, cute suit and hazmat headcase, which only make classes look slightly similar from the neck up; silhouettes on the whole are still entirely intact, and TF2's visibility focus is still predominant. Environments are clean, classes are immediately discernible, and explosion visuals are small. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbcB3CIwCk
Compare it to your regular Overwatch video.
https://youtu.be/OK3Pq3C7Hxg?t=39
Full of little fucking floaty things everywhere, awful fullbright-tier lighting, writing everywhere as opposed to visual cues, viewmodels swinging all over the place, screen colour flares for regular shit, etc. There's so much fucking SHIT in your field of view that i have no idea how anyone stands it.
>>340439729
explosive jumping as all pyro, demo, engie
trimping
c-tapping
pogoing
long range healing/uber building with the crossbow
using dispensers to build in places otherwise not accessible
The list goes on.
>>340439983
beight
dont reply
>>340439987
>TF2 being a horsefucker paradise is a LEGITIMATE CRITICISM. If it wasn't for that absolute fact I'd still be playing it. But no I can't find ONE quality server with a decent map rotation for capture points that isn't full of ponyfuckers saying "FRIENDLY" and dancing and talking about sticking their shitdicks in a horse.
Nobody likes you, barneyfag. Fucking leave. Hopefully your next ban will be permanent.
>>340439763
>FurAffinity
>>340439983
I'm sure your parents will get you a copy of OW as christmas gift, Billy
be patient ;)
>>340440172
kek, never noticed that
All overwatch players are furries, confirmed
>>340419086
The one that isn't a fee to play game
Pay 60$ to have CS GO crates forced down your throat, lmao
>>340439729
Sticky jumping, air-strafing, trickstabs(if you can call it that).
>>340440121
PC master race.
>>340440367
>trickstabs(if you can call it that).
Wait I thought bad hitboxes was something we criticized Overwatch for?
>>340440329
>>340440172
>joke
>your head
>>340440121
oh god
>>340431701
You know, that gif is sorta cute. The Spy trying to go home and be a family man.
>>340440504
Yeah, you can call it that. But, it's kind of become an exploit that's hard to pull of, so maybe it can be counted? I don't know.
>>340440365
just how broke are you nigger
>>340440101
Fucking this. You could replace all textures with flat team colors and still play TF2 just as well.
Do that to Overwatch and you would have no fucking clue who was who.
And I'd just like to add, Overwatch has like 99% energy weapons which all look like regurgitated garbage and are all indistinguishable from anything else.
You know what people remember? Sniper's Sniper rifle. Spy's butterfly knife - hell, I'm sure it's inspired a lot of real people to start learning tricks. Soldier's rocket launcher. Heavy's minigun. The Sandvich - the list goes on. All of these weapons look totally unique just by silhouette. There is no mistaking any two weapons - can you really say the same for Overwatch?
Oh, and daily reminder that Blizzard stole class ideas from a shitty Chinese TF2 knockoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NipvVSWDmzo
There are literally people here who don't think history will repeat itself
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>>340440634
It's not worth the money.
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>>340439729
wrangler jumping
>>340440564here's the end
>>340440232
I hope one day you and your scorn lover barny can settle your differences and go back to >>>/mlp/ where horsefuckers roam free
Overwatch
>>340439987
stop shitposting retard
TF2 doesn't force you to lose 50% of your matches.
>>340437959
>there's nothing for you to do anymore in the game
It's a shooting game.
Do you wanna shoot people?
Yes? Play the game
No? What are you doing here?
>>340440365
>Pay 60$ to have CS GO crates forced down your throat
What the fuck are you talking about? You can get free crates and sell them for money, no one is forcing you to buy keys
>>340439729
juggling
reflects
surfing
bunnyhopping (minimal, but exists)
edgebugging
trimping/rampsliding
air strafing
double/triple jumping
Force-A-Nature knockback jumping/basher jumping
Detonator jumping
flarepunching
caber boosting
sentry jumping
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Jumping
>>340439763
tf2 does that too. hit a barrel, it'll break; hit a soda can or bottle or traffic cone prop, it'll roll around. In fact, TF2 even takes the tiniest physics details into account in this sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U819YrM4bUU
>Waifus
>Hats
Tough decision
>>340437818
>No FOV customization
>No community hosted servers
Well, that does it. Not buying this one.
>>340438494
>This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
> Soldier 76 is literally copied from a shitty Chinese knockoff of TF2
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NipvVSWDmzo
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NipvVSWDmzo
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NipvVSWDmzo
>>340440665
>Fucking this. You could replace all textures with flat team colors and still play TF2 just as well.
>Do that to Overwatch and you would have no fucking clue who was who.
Last time I checked, OW's characters had pretty distinguishable silhouettes as well. Nobody's going to confuse Winston with Bastion anytime soon, or Widowmaker with Mei.
>>340440898
>Implying that tf2 doesn't have the best waifu
>>340430921
Got the sentry buster having the demomans hitbox so you can headshot it without it having a head
>>340439729
Surfing, Bunnyhoping, Flare Jumping, Airblasting.
>>340440757
Who let the ponfags out of their containment boards at >>>/vg/ and >>>/mlp/ ?
TF2 is suppose to stay in the former and literal horse fuckery (the same thing as TF2) has to stay in the later.
>>340440983
>both use big gun
>mus be the same!
>>340440940
Sorry, have this instead. This is one of TF2's least skilled classes demonstrating itself as having a far higher skill ceiling than 90% of Overwatch's classes, so it should suffice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJqCax0kfw
or this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDCXzly8-E
>>340441190
That's intentional. Also irrelevant since MvM is a PvE mode.
>>340438494
>Scotland is not a real country, you are an Englishman in a dress
Solider class of all time
>>340440665
>>340440983
Looks like a regular CoD PC to me. The kind that I'm pretty sure predates even TF2.
>>340441337
sorry I can't watch tf2 gameplay without my eyes bleeding
>>340435467
>this is a purposeful design by the developers because they say to favor the shooter
Autoaim and the favor the shooter. Overlycasual
>>340441248
Both of them have exactly identical tactical roles and inspiration, idiot - They're based off of tactical shooters and modern military games. They both use assault rifles, and are mid-range, medium speed, jacks of all trades.
Valve specifically said that they would never, ever add an assault rifle to TF2 because it would totally break everything.
>>340440939
There is FOV customization, up to 103 degrees. Everything else is true thus far.
>>340441493
>Overlycasual
tryhards have CS:GO
normal people who play occasionally have Overwatch fampai
>>340419086
OG TF2 > Overwatch>>> Modern TF2
>>340440504
do you even know what trickstabs are?
>>340440172
>>340439763
>>340441572
>103
Disgusting. Why is this allowed? Just because consoles can't handle a normal FOV without dropping frames? Not buying this game until they fix these issues.
>>340441441
Maybe grass growing is more on your level.
>>340427442
7 million idiots is still 7 million idiots.
sure it has more players, but the COD franchise draws 15million players a year and their games are peices of garbage.
>>340441337
>hurts himself and kills himself to hit one guy
Wow so skill
>>340428134
No he didn't? Did you watch the webm? At no point does he engage scatter, and it doesn't go on cooldown at any point either.
Blizzard game design
Torbjörn and Symmetra, basically the TF2 engineer chopped up and are very similar to one another
Torbjörn
>has a short range high damage "shotgun" attack and a long range single shot attack
>has a turret
>has a "wrench"
>can only upgrade turret once, ult temporarily upgrades it globally
>can give 75 armor after picking "scrap" up from corpses
>is a defence hero
Symmetra
>has a short range high damage attack and a long range single shot attack
>has several smaller turrets
>can give 25 shield to allies with no cooldown
>ult is a teleporter that has to be charged up, has a limited number or teleport uses and cannot be charged while a teleporter is up
>is a support hero
Can someone explain to me why these are 2 heroes and why one is defence while the other is support?
>>340432605
>roadhog hook
>hitscan
I play roadhog a shitload, I see the correction but not the hitscan.
>>340421694
It is... stay mad and play alone on whatever dead game you enjoy
>>340441526
>>340441526
>>>340441248
>Both of them have exactly identical tactical roles and inspiration, idiot - They're based off of tactical shooters and modern military games. They both use assault rifles, and are mid-range, medium speed, jacks of all trades.
So how do you derive "Blizzard ripped off this shitty TF2 clone" from a class as ubiquitous in shooters as the assault rifle soldier?
https://youtu.be/nZJD_AJT3rU?t=15
tf2 skill
https://youtu.be/2tFpxmK53MM?t=9
overwatch skill
>>340439729
pretty much everything you can think of is more advanced in TF2, from shooting to movement
Both are reddit tier mascot games, fucking kill yourselves if you even played 1 second of any of these garbage lel so funny meme games
>Valve ungas when they hear they might actually lose their autistic fanbase.
>Should we actually release a new game instead of skins and shit hardware?
>No let's pretend we care about our dead in the water cash cow and pay some shills
Top tier company
>>340440360
and skype using normies at that
>>340441756
Except him dying in all those situations was him activating a keybinding that instantly kills you
>>340441816
>arena shooter
>skill
just kys
>>340441816
>haha funny scout face thumbnail xd
Didn't watch
>>340440993
that's simply a difference in art direction. tf2 had to have their characters with red and blue pallettes and took place in the 50's, so they distinguished their characters by silhouettes, weapons, posture, and animations right down to the smallest detail. overwatch is not designed with team colors in mind and takes place in the future so they were able to go greater lengths with character distinction by giving them unique pallettes, designs, weapons, etc.
>>340441773
> Can someone explain to me why these are 2 heroes and why one is defence while the other is support?
No idea why they're two heroes. But, Symmetra is a defense hero they mislabeled as support.
>>340441441
Then why are you in this thread, son? Because you sure as hell can't be an Overwatch player with eyes like those.
Weapon case skins for The Original when?
>>340442114
Missing a fingerless glove meter.
>>340441940
Why the fuck is he doing that?
Also why is his health not visible? How much is the flare jumping injuring him?
>>340442058
>namefag
didn't consider opinion
>>340441717
>consoles
consoles can't change the FOV at all
>>340442114
I just kek at 2004 tier graphics
>>340442176
It does like 50 self damage out of his 175 health, if I recall.
>>340442114
Obligatory
>>340442225
That's exactly my point. You can't let PC players have an FOV that's higher than the ones on consoles.
>>340442298
That's retarded.
If he does it thrice like in the video at some points he's almost fucking dead.
>>340442402
There are health pick-ups. But, yes, you don't do it too often.
>>340421415
Doesnt engineer slouch anyways
>>340442402
The only time he does it 3 times is to get onto a roof before the enemy spawns, at which point a Medic heals him to full.
>>340429141
He's also a grim bloody fable with an unhappy bloody hell.
>>340434853
It's not often you see a perfect follow-up image.
>tfw FPS fan with nothing to play
>forced to either buy Overwatch or DOOM
DOOM looks like my type of game but the shelf life of the multiplayer worries me. Overwatch will most likely last longer but it's casualness hurts my soul.
Tf2 is absolutely worth it, but i've simply put too much time into it at this point.
>>340442114
This image was captured way back in the closed beta. There are visual and audio queues accompanying a line of text that quickly fades away for every one of those buff/debuff icons in the bottom left, which are no longer in the game. The top center objective indicator is different now, much smaller, less text, easier to immediately read. I don't see a problem with anything else.
>>340442697
>it's casualness
Get on and play with good players and I guarantee you'll get fucking reamed.
>>340442347
but they did
>>340430686
MFW 2 hats in 1 day
MFW it was on christmas eve
MFW also unbaxed strange festive huntsman that day
>>340419086
TF2 has WAY, WAY better cinematics and lore, and the characters are significantly more developed. That is completely undeniable.
>>340437392
TF2 invented half those stereotypes though.
![666050c55e8beeff5aac138a680c56b0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/acEjiCA.jpg "666050c55e8beeff5aac138a680c56b0[1]")
>>340442337
No, that's battleborn, anon
OW is probably the most shilled game on /v/ in years.
>>340442058
fine autist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298HdKAzegE
>>340442402
>omg dats retarded!!! If he does it thrice like in the video at some points he's almost fucking dead!!
no, you're the retard.
>health packs
>Medics
And it actually does 40 damage.
>>340442865
And once again /v/ completely misses the core concept of subjectivity
>>340443003
TF2 came out in 2007. Those stereotypes existed over half a century beforehand.
Retarded Valvedrone is retarded.
>>340421210
But it is, you fucking retard. >>340432337
fuck off.
>>340443251
>let me find a health pack on this roof I just jumped on
>fuck
>better jump down to get a health pack
Woah
>>340440121
>2007 game vs 2016 game
>also implying you can't install one of the million texture improvement packs and enable valve's super secret ultra quality setting for TF2
>All the good micspam servers are dead
>You will never pop this during overtime and carry your friends to a heated victory again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaOlPqAowQQ
END MY LIFE
>>340443251
the first part of that video isn't that impressive- just lucky to have caught them there during kritz, plus decent sticky aim- but the second bit, where he herds the guy into his stickytrap and then airshots a fucker, is amazing
>>340442803
>good players
Oh you mean all those widowmakers and Flashbang McCrees? Oh yeah I'm terrified
>>340443348
>>let me find a health pack on this roof I just jumped on
hahahhaah you've never played tf2, have you? Fuck off, newfag. TF2 maps have plenty of rooftop healthpacks.
And anyway I was talking about jumping up there, getting a kill, then getting the health pack afterwards. Or, getting overhealed and using the overhealth to jump up. If you can't understand that you need to leave.
Fuck off, namefagging newfag. Play some video games and then come back.
>>340443496
>if someone beats me it's not because they are better
Only minor point you have is McCree. Even if you picked widow I guarantee other players would shit on you.
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