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>>339898306 old thread
How is everyone liking the game? Anyone tried multiplayer battles, got any tips?
>>339963048
Doing okay on my empire campaign, at turn 38 or 39 or so and I've conquered the secessionists, confederated stirland, talabecland and wissenland. Vampire counts are the current most powerful faction though and they took out ostermark.
>>How is everyone liking the game?
It's fun enough, but you can tell that this is the base for something much larger in scope.
>>Anyone tried multiplayer battles, got any tips?
Multiplayer a shit, don't bother.
>>339963227
how is multiplayer shitty?
>>339963934
>try to connect
>unknown error
>try to connect
>unknown error
>try to connect
>unknown error
Yeah no thanks, I'm gonna stick with CoH
>play as Bretons in custom battle
>Damsel towers over pikemen
how2orc
you gain moni form raiding but dont you actually have to conquer shit too
crack when
>>339965176
I played for a couple turns. My first WAAGH! got destroyed by an army half its size and then my cities kept having shitty public order..
There are all these terms in the unit cards like "Deathblow"
Is there an explanation of these perks somewhere? The F1 help doesn't explain what it does
Is there a way to automate casting spells?
>>339963227
>confederated stirland, talabecland and wissenland
Ya dun goofed.
>>339966053
Mouseover them
>>339966393
Nigger do you really think I didn't try that
>>339966567
fucking pin them, then hover over them!
>playing as greenskins
>everything going peachy, expanding rapidly and dealing with the occasional revolt, swimming in cash
>confederate with some gobbos
>suddenly -gazillion money
>public order so far down it comes up in warhammer's equivalent of china again
>terribly specced lords
never again
>>339966668
o-oh
t-thankshow do you pin them?
>>339966752
If you are recruiting there is a pin button in the top right corner, if you are in battle just press i.
Deathblow just means they do one final attack before dying.
>>339966752
Click on the fucking cocksucking unit card
R8 my edit.
is the Thane at all worth it to build up to Drillmaster and Exemplar...
did you cucks actually buy the game, yeesh enjoy buying 3 DLC packs to get the full game while i slide through with the GOTY edition in a year
>>339966359
Why? Because of the negative diplomatic bonus?
>Dilemmas force you to choose between two different courses of action
>Dwarf faction dilemma about letting go of a grudge have both options saying to keep holding the grudge
i lol'd
>>339967282
How bad is your life that you have to seek worth in how little or much you spend on video games?
>>339966053
If I remember correctly, deathblow means instakill in the warhammer universe
>>339967324
Overreach is a bitch in this game. If you play hard or below it's not a big deal though.
Now that Doom got CRACKED when can we expect this piece of shit to be available 4free?
>>339967728
>Doom got CRACKED
Wat.
>>339966917
I'd say a 7/10 for this. I'd rate it higher but I'm not a fan of water color edits.
>>339967598
Ahhhh
I'm playing on normal, in fact I don't even remember the last time I played a total war game on hard.
>Get grudge on certain orc army
>Orc army then retreats to a settlement laid siege to by another neutral dwarf faction
now what
How can I quick-select my hero(s) on the campaign map?
Is there at least a button to open my Forces menu?
>Brother?
>>339966698
>nearing 600k as Greenskins
I just keep getting dosh. I can't spend it fast enough.
>>339963048
very boring late game caused by the chaos event firing too soon
needs more units, needs better magic, needs a bigger map and bigger factions, otherwise pretty damn good
8/10
>>339970843
>needs more units, needs better magic, needs a bigger map and bigger factions,
Yeah.... I'm really looking forward to paying for 3 more full priced games to flesh out this barebones campaign.
>>339969282
Arrows next to the names
>>339970843
Doesnt some mod fix that early Chaos spawning?
>>339971687
yeah it adds early chaos in at 150, but it still fucks up the world so much that it becomes stale to play afterwards because the empire ai is so shit
What are the non-playable factions?
>>339971909
two norscan tribes, a bunch of minor greenskin tribes, a bunch of dwarf kingdoms, a lot of human factions
>>339970843
too soon? chaos didnt do shit for me until turn 120
are you playing on easy or something?
>>339963048
tfw no cash
>>339972551
can't wait for the tilea and estalia reskins.
>>339972676
no, legendary, and chaos coming early is probably harder then it coming later t-b-h.
>>339972692
Why do they need to be reskinned?
>>339963227
HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Turn THIRTY FUCKING EIGHT? You can be done with the secessionists in turn 5 or 6, dude. You're in no position to give pointers.
>>339972676
There are two chaos invasions. The first is usually around turn 50-60, it's weak as shit but all your cities get +1 chaos corruption; and the second is turn 100-120 when the lord of change comes and corruption is +2
>>339972551
Chaos Dwarves? Bretonnia? Estalia? Border Princes? Any Wood Elves or Beastmen?
>>339963048
Just finished my dorf campaign, turn 250 normal difficulty, what i learned
>ironbreakers are fucking godmode
>get heropos leveled up before the Ai starts mass spamming them
>become best buds with the humans
>get ironfist ASAP
>dont let grudges sit there
>build LOTS of refractories
>build defensive structures early but not late
>fuck the quest for thorgrims armor
overall i had fun, dorfs playstyle is easy and rewarding
>>339973008
Can you read? He did a bunch more stuff besides just killing the secessionists
>>339972859
they look exactly the same as empire units right now. A little variation in how they look will work wonders. Someone on /twg/ made a mousillon reskin for Vampire counts.
>>339973274
no, yes but will soon be playable with a full unit roster via free dlc, yes, yes, not yet but probably dlc
>>339973274
>chaos dwarfs
top lel, m8
>>339973132
honestly in all my campaigns the first chaos invasion does fuck all, they are destroyed by the AI
>>339973274
No, they are siege units for chaos
Bret is in the game and the roster isn't filled out, you can play them with a mod, they'll probably be the first DLC
Nope
Nope
Elves will be another DLC
No beastmen at all
>>339973861
You'll be surprised :)
>>339974161
thanks ill stick to the CK2 mod for now
>tfw getting bullied
Post your incomes /v/.
You better not be a poorfag, or else I'm calling the elector counts.
>>339974515
STOP FUCKING CALLING ME
>vargheists fly behind my lines
>mfw the arrer boys slap the shit out of them in close combat before they reach the doom divers
>ork waaaagh out of nowhere attacks a capital in bumfuck nowhere, only half upgraded with a shit zombie army
>orks sabotage walls
>stick 6 grave guards on the breach and watch the greenskins die
70 hours before I got my first siege defense
goddamn it's beautiful
>for the lady, and such
>>339974515
>turn 161
>tfw I had 25k per turn income and alread 500k in the bank before turn 90 as dawi, with 3 deathstacks and 2 smaller defensive armies
dorf economy is just superior
and I focused on the military research tree, not the maximum jewing tree
>built barracks in main settlement and was going to build an armory or some other military support in the minor settlements
>didn't really appreciate that there's limits to how high things can be upgraded in a main settlement versus the minor ones
>mfw really should have switched and built the barracks in the minor settlement and the armory in the main settlement
aint that some shit
>>339963934
Co-op campaign works well for me, loads of fun. Just gota have good internet
>>339968723
Do you even dwarf? Demand that they make peace with them, because they are your enemies, not theirs. If they refuse, destroy them, then the greenskins.
>>339975297
dorfs is 3hardcore5me
>>339975424
>that dwarf random event about making a choice to let a grudge go
>>339975786
I don't get it.
>>339976439
Okay.
>>339976439
Dwarfs dont let grudges go
Both options are basically hell no
>waiting a few turns while I move a third army to help with a siege
>one army in garrison, the other right next to the town
>attacker is able to single out the support army with no reinforcements
o-okay
>playing as Azhag
>"here's a quest - get a goblin boss up far to the north"
>Fine, let's get him up there
>"Great! Now, get Azhag himself up there!"
Fuck that quest.
>>339976906
Teleport nigger do you even read the quest prompts
>>339976906
>Pay 5000 gold
>Teleport there
>Fight battle
>Teleport back
>>339976965
Apparently not. I do read the text, but I must have missed that part for some reason.
You can teleport him up there?
>>339977084
yes, for 5000 shekels
and right after the battle you teleport back to where you were
>>339964426
>lady
of the lake
>>339977191
Damn, don't know how I missed that. Good to know, thanks!
>>339974515
Why aren't you paying for more armies? You obviously have enough money to upgrade your buildings, so I'm not understanding what you're saving it for.
comfy
How do i keep half my siege equipment from being gibbed by the enemy walls
>>339963048
>first time playing RTS
>ask some dwarf fags to be ruled by me
>they accept
>apparently their standing armies don't become mine
>left with a huge kingdom and noone to guard it
>3 settlements get raped by greenskins within a few turns
>build a huge army to defend the last remaining scraps
>get my main army genocided by greenskins trying to defend new kingdom
>new army is still up but I'm too afraid to move them out of their area else lost even more
>only other army is barely hanging on, recruiting as we speak
FUUUCCCKKKIINNNGG GREEEENSKIINNNNS ROOOOOOOO
I wish it would have told me that the new kingdom would be undefended, I wouldn't have asked them to be a part of mine, I thought I'd get access to all their military
>>339980059
Destroy towers
all of you are faggots if you don't do as follows:
Play brettonia
have the conquer anywhere mod
play brettonia
Stannis the mannis it up and conquer the frozen norselands whilsts withstanding their ranked dudes
Thus being so feared that the empire and all its offshoots become your vassals,then as the one true king send them to reclaim the mainland.
>>339980059
Shoot the towers or get troops up there to take them over
>>339980383
Their armies do become yours. They probably confederated because they had no army and felt threatened
>>339981151
>playing Brettons before the free DLC that will expand them into a decent faction
fuck off m8
I kind of want this but I'm afraid of Denuvo.
Does it really kill SSDs or is that a big meme?
>>339963048
fuck enemy agents and their infinite money
and
fuck big 'un boar riders
>>339980383
>total war
>expecting friendly AI to accomplish things
They will happily lay down and die to let invading armies take more territory to become a greater threat to the player. It has been this way since forever. I've seen allied factions leave an empty enemy settlement alone for 6-10 turns only to attack it once 2 full stacks arrive to defend it, lose all their men and basically volunteer their territory up to our enemies.
Total war is made by idiots, and things such as this are the only way they can make it tricky.
>>339981172
>Their armies do become yours. They probably confederated because they had no army and felt threatened
they must have made some fucking stupid plays then because their territory was fuckhuge
>>339981469
like I said it's my first time playing an RTS, thank you though I'll keep that in mind
>>339981370
>falling for 2 year old pirate propaganda that was disproven within hours of its original posting
Anon please
>>339971284
I know about those, but I meant when I dont have any Lord/Hero selected at all.
Like when you have a city selected and have the buildings menu open, how would you instantly go to your lords?
Would appreciate somebody helping me out here.
>>339963048
PREORDER FOR YOUR DAY 1 DLC, GOYIMS!
>Terrorgheist flys down
>Arrer boys hold it in place while a giant lumbers over and promptly slaps the everliving shit out of it
Are Orcs the perfect Anti Undead?
Chaos is incredibly annoying if they get out of their pen. They have SWARMS of heroes that are constantly sabotaging your cities and armies like mosquitoes.
And they always end their turns exactly on the edge of your armies' movement range, and run away if you get any closer. Unless they can win, of course.
I was under the impression Chaos armies couldn't reinforce one another as their balancing factor. Then two armies attacked me at once. How exactly are they supposed to be balanced then?
>>339982221
They can reinforce, but they take heavy attrition doing so
>>339963048
Might be the 1st total war campaign I don't get bored with & restart.
I'm 150-175 turns into the dwarf campaign, killed the orks, pushed back chaos, just gotta settle 1 hold & finish up a few grudges.
>>339981637
They probably just got fucking wrecked, that's the scenario where they're most likely to confederate.
THIS STINKS
>>339982043
>3stack of orks catch my capital without any supporting armies
>they still lose because of shit morale and the meatgrinder at the gates
thank you based zombies for exhausting the orks so that actual good units can mop up
>>339966053
Deathblow for Slayers means as each soldier in the unit dies in melee, they'll do a strong final attack.
>>339982221
>How exactly are they supposed to be balanced then?
It's an end of the world doomtide. It's not supposed to be fucking balanced. It's there to give you a little bit of a challenge since by turn 100 you should have a solid economy and armies, so the rest of the game would be just dull steamrolling. Chaos+Norsca rape can still make things interesting though.
This is the first Total War campaign that I actually played past like turn 30 or so. I'm still fucking awful at it. I'm around turn 80 or 90 now as Empire and only have Marienberg's old territory (they somehow ended up deep in Bretonnia though), Middenheim, and parts of Talabecland and Sitrland. I do have a tight alliance with Wissenberg, though I don't know if I should confederate or not.
>Ah, my loyal minions. Over the way stands something I want... I need. Beatific mail, wasted on the clueless worm who wears it.
>It is only right I take it from him, and if you, my serfs, die in agony during the attempt, then know that I'll feel your pain... why, I'll relish it!
>To the 'champion' in my armour... Yes, you may have heard of me. I am Sigvald the Magnificent, the Geld-Prince of Slaanesh. I do not blame you if hearing my name has caused you to void your bowels. Just make sure the Auric Armour is clean when I come to take it.
>You should hand it straight over, of course, but I have seen your kind before. You will be irksome and make me fight for it.
>No matter! I could do with a workout — but do not over-vex me or your death-cry will be especially shrill and I do hate to taint my ears with such cacophonic nonsense if I can bear it.
What the hell is Sigvald's problem?
>>339982524
I've been playing Vampiressince there's no Tomb Lordsbut I've never had any army attack a city of mine that had walls. I can't imagine how miserable defending a siege must be as a Vampire Count, since there's no ranged units whatsoever other than your Lord's spell(s).
>>339982839
What is playing as Chaos like then, if you just face fuck everything?
>>339982901
2fab2furious
>>339983110
When you play as chaos you don't start out with several doomstacks and norscan allies off the bat. The entire world is out to kill you, you are always in negative income so you are forced to constantly fight, and replenishing is a bitch. It's actually the toughest campaign until you get the ball rolling.
>>339982842
Nuln's gunnery school makes Empire artillery much better, it's worth it
Defending Wissenland is kind of a pain tho
>>339983016
who needs ranged when you have wall defenses and hordes of zombies to hold them?
if they have catapults just suicide the free bats and send flying units
>>339969669
why are trolls so stronk and how do i kill them
>>339973458
How is it easy? What's your army composition?
>no demo for this game
Would 8GB of RAM and a nVidia GeForce GTX570 run this?
>>339982901
He's an inbred, he abuses all kinds of substances, he was raised by an insane cannibal, and he has literally had a cosmic futanari "girl" superbeing talking in his head for 300 years.
Does the giant's belly jiggle give anyone else a boner?
>>339985463
My friend has that, and it runs fine for him.
He even has an AMD CPU -- FX-8350 or whatever it is exactly.
I'd say you're good to go.
>>339985463
Well if performance is your worry you could always buy the game and refund it if it runs like shit. But I have a mid range PC and it runs at 45-60 FPS with unit sizes on large and every setting on high. Very pleased with the performance. Only goes lower in sieges.
>>339985872
God, I love dwarfs.
>>339985463
I'm guessing yes.
The RAM is no problem since I have the same, the graphics card might be a bit underwhelming but I'm guessing low or medium settings would work.
>>339985872
I wish I didn't suck so badly at TW games.
So do we know when Brets are being added to the campaign? I noticed they even have achievements already.
>>339985872
there is also one where averland or something short changes you 2 gold so you have to raze their settlement and you get 2 gold reward
>>339963048
Why can wraith be killed when it say ethereal can only be damage by magics? I send a bunch of them against spearmen and they got killed.
Also, Bretonia confirmed for white knight faction. Literally every diplo line involve not offending the Lady
>>339986771
poopy
>>339986597
King Lyconcoure already has his own special leader traits, and presumably quests (that aren't activated and missing icons.) so I think its almost certain the Brets will be in as FLC.
http://whenc.totalwar.com/#/character/wh_main_brt_bretonnia/general/brt_louen_leoncouer
>>339986887
ethereal just is a flat -75% reduction to incoming physical
I'm sad going from level 2 to 3 keep walls you change from 3 grave guard to 2 cairn wraiths
>>339986887
they're flanking units against armor
much higher damage, less resistant
also I'm not really calling bullshit but I've never had a time when cairn wraith lost against low tier units in single combat
usually they go running after 30 seconds of melee because of terror
How often did they release balance patches for previous games?
Vampires fucking suck, not the heroes or lords they are good but their units are shitte.
>>339987785
I thought all VC unit are immune to terror. Crypt horror is much better at flaking anyway. Why is wraith so bad?
>>339987956
against skeleton spearmen yeah I guess they could be a bother
but remember against VC the name of the game is killing the enemy lord
wraiths aren't great at that because lords do magical damage
VC against VC I'd say Varghulf and graveguard does shine since very little VC units have armor piercing
wraiths could be useful in flanking graveguards or cornering black knights
>vassalize templehoff
>he's fucking useless with one city, send him to sack minor settlements
>raze a capital next to one of him new settlements
>he doesn't colonize it, even after 80 turns
>>339986771
That actually happened though. Some guild was like 2 silver short of a million silver payment and they raised an army for that shit.
>>339973274
Other than Brettonnia its either none of the above or they're reskins.
CA is Starcraft 2-ing this and doing 2 more expand-alones that will, by the end, have all 16 major factions in.
Age of Sigmar total conversion mod when?
>>339989553
I wish there was a way to gift settlements to vassals, otherwise they usually do fucking nothing for you.
>>339990683
Every game/expansion will have paid DLC too
I think we will get a paid campaign for someone like Kislev, similar to the Rome 2 and Attila campaigns, that also fleshes them out
>>339987924
I know that feel anon, game needs rebalance badly
>>339991078
If we get all 16 major races/factions and all the minor races of man like Cathay and Nippon I will be a happy sailor, even if it costs a truckload.
http://www.honga.net/totalwar/warhammer/units_compare.php?l=en&v[]=warhammer&f[]=wh_main_chs_chaos&u[]=wh_main_chs_inf_chosen_1&v[]=warhammer&f[]=wh_main_dwf_dwarfs&u[]=wh_main_dwf_inf_hammerers&v[]=warhammer&f[]=wh_main_emp_empire&u[]=wh_main_emp_inf_greatswords&v[]=warhammer&f[]=wh_main_grn_greenskins&u[]=wh_main_grn_inf_black_orcs&v[]=warhammer&f[]=wh_main_vmp_vampire_counts&u[]=wh_main_vmp_inf_grave_guard_1
So...this...is...the...power...of...Chaos...woah
Why does Chaos suck so much dick in this game?
>>339991239
Nippon doesn't even have anything, its just a name on a map
>>339991297
Because there's only one guy to represent Slaanesh and he sucks at alliteration.
>>339967282
Based Denuvo XD
>>339991365
>Implying that they wouldn't just get the Shogun models then add some GW approved fantasy crap to it.
>>339984054
>You were the chosen one!
>>339991598
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW CHAOS IS EVIL
>>339967282
I have no problem spending money on things I enjoy
BIG
FAT
VAMP
TATS
>>339991297
They aren't THAT bad, especially in campaign where you never run out of money as Chaos.
In multi, I agree they are underwhelming but multiplayer is all about spamming broken units anyway.
What's stranger to me is how the Dwarf unit has the least armor out of all them. How do Hammerers have less armor than Greatswords and Black Orcs?
>>339991297
Chaos isn't balanced for multiplayer, that shouldn't shock anyone. The Chaos economy in campaign is totally different from any other faction
>>339991568
I think he was referring to just buying the GoTY edition with all the DLC for cheaper then buying them as they come out, not pirating
>>339992415
You couldn't pay me $100 to not play this game for a year.
>>339992134
I agree about greatsowrds, but black orcs are fucking armored to the teef
Greatsword armor is absurd for their price and performance, they should have 70-80
>>339991297
>grave guard soldier count: 120
if they can't get that right, how can you trust anything else?
>>339992134
Because the dwarves already have several melee units made for holding the line and staying alive, so they get one that does damage instead of being a tank. Basic fucking design choice.
Can you play against other people on the same campaign map? Is there any total war that does this?
>>339992617
Why, how many do they have?
>>339992134
Hammerers are balanced to be hammers, not the anvil. Ironbreakers are the ones specced out to tank and hold the line
Hammerers are pretty shit honestly
>>339992882
It's called head to head and has been around for a while
>next to no blood
>no gore
>in a fucking warhammer game
Don't tell me they're gonna sell it as DLC.
>>339993093
Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to?
>>339992687
I was more refering to the fact that Hammerers are covered, head to toe, in Gromril armor but have worse armor than Greatswords wearing breeches and floppy hat.
Their low melee defense and no shield bonus already makes them fairly poor for holding the line but I understand that a unit shouldn't be able to do everything (though Greatswords do just that at the moment).
>>339993093
Gotta make blood a DLC to get that sweet sweet germany money
>>339987924
Their early game units suck balls but their midgame stuff is cheap and spammable, and terrorgheists are one of the best flying units. Use a frontline of grave guards with a few cavalry and plenty of flying units to deal with anyone trying to outrange you.
The AI is awful at playing them though since they don't understand that the lords are relatively fragile and the armies crumble without them.
Mfw i played 80 hours and completely lost interest.
Attila has the same problem, way too railroaded.
>>339991297
More or less no Nurgle, and like one Slannesh guy.
>>339993048
It's because Hammerers don't suit the Dwarf playstyle.
They tend to have less dedicated melee units than other armies and are super vulnerable to Cav so flanking with slow infantry isn't an option unless you desparately need a melee AP presence.
>>339993093
I'm not sure how the would implant it without looking stupid, since they don't use matched combat anymore. Just imagine Thorgrim punching the air while the orks around him lose random boddy parts.
Total War noob here, does the bonus from pic related (and other buildings offering similar bonuses) apply globally or only in that province?
Good factions:
Empire
Orks
Shit factions:
Dwarves
Vampires
Chaos
>>339963227
How the fuck do you convince them do confederate? They are all just raging boners against each other.
I don't know what to do. Playing on hard, I can take the secessionists easily but I have no idea what to do after that.
As a total war game this is a really mediocre offering. It lacks so much content and detail and doesn't learn many lessons from previous games.
It's basically designed for the most normie and attract non strategy gamers. I mean it's fun and I got my moneys worth but why the fuck did they just strip so many goddamn fun parts of Attila and Rome 2.
>>339993747
Those are province bonuses.
>>339993782
Wait for Archaeon to start marching, you get a massive diplomacy modifier while chaos is around.
>>339993458
Or maybe it's because you played 80 fucking hours in less than 2 weeks
>>339993254
>I was more refering to the fact that Hammerers are covered, head to toe, in Gromril armor but have worse armor than Greatswords wearing breeches and floppy hat.
I know, and I was telling you the exact reason for that and why it's a good thing.
>low melee defense and no shield bonus
Shield does nothing for melee and it's not like it can really save a unit from ranged either, and their defense is only low compared to exceptional units like chosens or heroes/lords/other low head count units, compared to other damage dealing melee infantry it's quite good.
>>339992882
Yes. You can invite a friend or someone to your lobby, and make it head to head. Pick your factions and try to get victory conditions.
chaos warriors are op af, get those hellcannons and your good to go.
>>339993782
Conquer Marienburg and ally Whisenland. Then punch either Bretonnia or the Vampire Counts and at some point confederate Whisenland. Once Archaon comes everybody will agree to ally/confederate with you.
You can also take over some Elector Counts, but I wouldn't conquer Nord- or Ostland since Varg and Skaeling will be really annoying.
>>339993813
It's the best Total War game since Medieval 2. Your in the tiny minority.
>>339993547
Yeah, basically. Dorfs are just slow. Slow makes for a shit anvil. The closest they have is Slayers (made of wet paper) and Gyros (hit like wet paper)
>>339993781
Good Factions:
Orcs
Orks
Shit Factions:
The Empire
Dwarfs
Bretonnia
Lizardmen
High Elves
Wood Elves
Dark Elves
Warriors of Chaos
Daemons of Chaos
Beastmen
Skaven
Vampire Counts
Tomb Kings
Ogre Kingdoms
Chaos Dwarfs
Dogs of War
Kislev
Araby
Slann
Albion
Fimir
Zoat
Gnomes
Halflings
Half-Orc
Hobgoblin
Kingdoms of Ind
Cathay
Nippon
Norsca
Amazons
Pygmies
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons
Dark Eldar
Craftworld Eldar
Necrons
Tau Empire
Tyranids
Space Marines (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves each have their own chapter Codex.)
Imperial Guard
Militarum Tempestus
Inquisition
Adepta Sororitas
Imperial Knights
Skitarii
Cult Mechanicus
Squats
is it possible to use the underway to get from karaz a karak to zufbar or any zone north of the lake
as it stands i dont think there's a quick way between those two points and you gotta take like 5 turns to get up there
Kislev is a meme faction.
>>339993813
Honestly i think it's just a problem with total war. They're all shallow as fuck but at least food and squalor created the illusion of complexity.
>>339981151
>Stannis the mannis it up
So basically die horribly?
>>339994061
>compared to other damage dealing melee infantry it's quite good.
It's only really better than Black Orcs (which have a HUGE health advantage) and Grave Guard (a cheap tier 2 equivalent with more men).
Longbeards with Great Weapons (a tier below) have 33 MD. Same with Chaos Warriors.
The Hammerers weapon damage is supposed to be their huge selling point but they die so easily against almost anything it's just not worth brining them 90% of the time.
How will they improve Bretonnia with the dlc?
What kind of units could they add?
>>339993458
It'd get boring just as fast, if not faster, without that railroading while being a significantly blander experience.
Post your fucking stack arrangements for
>Empire
>Greenskins
>Dorfs
>Vampire Cunts
>Choas
>>339966917
looks good, is it a CS filter, i dont remember them being good at all
>orks have to siege my cities for like 15 turns
>by the time their siege equipment is ready the army is half dead from ghosties and ghoul attrition
>>339995060
>it's only really better than 2 of the 3 other top tier damage infantry!
>it's not better than tank infantry though!
yeah
>>339995391
Nice green text, mate.
Maybe next time you should actually read the post you are 'quoting' though.
>>339993093
They are.
nd it's gonna be called Blood for the Blood God.
You guessed it, Khorne themed chaos units!
>There are people right now that teleported for orc quest battles
Yeah for vamps walking far is ass because you have to raid everyone or your army dies on the way from attrition and dwarf's need forces around to stop all their enemies from sacking their shit but for the shitty Azhag chaos waste quest I just walked up there with a dooms stack full of black orcs, some artillery, and 2 giants then just sacked every settlement between points a and b for dosh to build up my provincial capitals and sustain my 3 other armies who were busy clearing out stunties.
Pretty sure I got a profit of over 150k gold from all the sacking once you take out global recruitment to replace some goblins and the upkeep.
>>339995650
Yeah, because that's not what you were saying at all. Guy, you just don't even have a basic understanding about unit roles and game balance. Next you'll be telling me that Kemmler should have 0 armor because it doesn't look like he's wearing any and he's simply in his wizard 101 gandalf clothes, you're just that dumb.
Wndering about vamps
If i make their vampiric corruption drop enough, do they abandon their settlements?
>>339995303
I thought sieging armies didn't take attrition
>>339996428
Vampire corruption damages non vamps in the region.
What can I say, I just like Hellstorm batteries.
>>339996306
No but there will be revolts led by empire supporters
>>339996306
nah, you just get like -15 order for low corruption
>>339996570
You don't take attrition when sieging just like when raiding
An obvious example of this is a vamp army sieging a city in a low corruption area doesn't fall apart over the 6 turns they spend making siege towers.
>>339996570
I don't remember suffering attrition while sieging vamp strongholds
>>339993570
At the very least it'd be easy to do for ranged combat, and the bigger shit like ogres just needs some flying meat-chunks from what they hit.
>>339974924
i had to demolish and rebuild everything in my first playthrough
>And then I stabbed the fucker in the beard
>>339996428
orks too busy making crap piles to use raiding stance
As Empire what are some great endgame units I should run. I'm on turn 60 and chaos hust wiped the field of my basic militia.
>>339997519
Greatswords, Demigryph Knights, Steam Tanks and Outriders are all you need son
>>339996215
What I was saying that the two units on it's tier with lower MD have a lot more health to compensate for it and even Tier 2 Armor Pen units are tankier than Hammerers.
What you don't get is that Dwarfs have no use for a such a slow glass cannon melee unit as their playstyle doesn't accomodate one.
Meanwhile Empire and Greenskins have damage dealers that are strict upgrades on their standard line infantry so they don't even have to make the choice.
VC and Chaos do lose a little defense from their side grades to Great Weapon equivalents but nothing close to the downgrade from Ironbreakers to Hammerers in defensive stats.
Feel free to cherry pick this post as well though.
>>339997832
Good to know. Thanks.
>>339994367
This is a list I can get behind.
>>339963048
Are there any mods that make Chaos less shitty yet? The fact that two hoards standing close together gives them attrition is idiotic.
>>339997519
Greatswords are great all around.
Nuln shit is good ranged that can take on quite a lot.
Demigryph Knights kill giant monsters so easily its funny (the big model size makes them auto surround the thing killing it quick and breaking it even faster).
>>339997519
Basically anything that isn't artillery is fucking OP as shit as empire
>The Empire without Beastmen warbands
They'll have to fix that. Also, when do I get to recruit Halfling archers in the Moot?
>>339998579
Both Beastmen, and Halflings are mentioned quite a bit in lore events that happen, so hopefully CA will add them. I think Halfling archers will be simple to add with mods (Reskinned goblin archers), but Beastmen will need official DLC support.
>>339998579
The map seems too small to accomodate that.
>>339997915
imo outside a 1v1 vacuum Grave Guard are way better than any other great weapon infantry just because of lore of vampires and the vamp unique active abilites
Also wargear options in multiplayer and custom battles when? I want to be able to toss banners on my units and give my leaders stuff like the Axe of the Last Waagh so they can actually compete with the named characters in effectiveness
Anybody struggling with the AI not resettling territory? In my Dwarf campaign I have rekt Chaos and the Vampire Counts (chasing up the final couple of grudges before long campaign victory) but the Empire is simply not recapping territory despite huge cash injections on my part.
Any tabletop fan knows if big uns and black orcs have a sword and board set up?
I remember in warhammer online black orcs were the strongest tanks for disorder and they had sword and shield
>>339967342
>Which name should we shout first, Gork or Mork?
>Gork
>Mork
>Both options give the same bonus
>>339999424
No, the AI resettles easy in my games, playing on hard.
Is there any way to make the game interesting after Chaos is gone?
Are Lizardmen in the game at all?
>>339983441
I found chaos to be easier in many respects and stupidly more difficult in others. Although it was the first time playing hard also
Easier:
>No territory means less time defending and worrying about borders and moving armies to defend
>infinite cash from raiding
>Immediate access to allies with no immediate competition who capture and hold all the territory you raze behind you
>No public order
>overally easily the strongest and most versatile units
>fast tech tree and research, solid bonuses not a lot of 'filler'
>good spells
>huge roster of units particularly nice for multiplayer (although broken as fuck in itself)
Harder:
>Progressing up the building tree takes extreme amounts of time, you spend hours waiting for pop growth
>Progression resets if the lord and army are wiped out, a huge empire army left a settlement under siege by rebel forces to finish me off once I barely won a 1v3 bullshit fight with the Vampire Counts. Puts me off doing Legendary ever
>Chaos giants seem to take 3/4 of their HP as damage from any auto-resolving. Waiting 6-9 turns to recover one unit when everyone else is good in 2 every time you autoresolve? fuck that, more dragon ogres.
Copters fucking suck. I was hyped about them too.
>>339965237
pay for it you piece of shit
it's actually agood developerdoing good things with GW's IP, that /v/ should support
>>339999594
Autoresolve is buggered for all meatsponges with low armour. Starting the game with Ungrim is buggered because if you autoresolve with a 90%+ win chance almost all your slayers will die
>>339999594
Protips
razing gives you some growth
invest EVERY general into the growth tree
don't start stacking chaos warriots immediately rely on marauders and inject elites as support,not core of the army until later on.
Sigvald is actually the best LL to start with because of his campaign bonises
>>339999776
Wait for balance patch they acknowlwdged stuff is off
>>339999484
One gives you a y% bonus for x turns and the other gives you a x% bonus for y turns
>>339977427
>lady of the lakers
>>339963048
TW:W is bretty good but It kinda seems unfinished or lacking like 15-20% of the depth I wish it had. Maybe once the expansions/dlc/mods fix it and add factions / improve various aspects of the game it will be better
I beat the campaign as Mannfred (conquered the empire). I was expecting a glorious final battle between Karl Franz and my general on his dragon, but the empire army just kept retreating from my ultimate late-tier xboxhueg army, occasionaly trying to recapture cities, but overall avoiding my army. Until eventually he had only 1 tiny city left and his pathetic army died running.
I was surprised that VC has no shooting unit in in WHFB. They don't get a stone thrower? IMO they should
>>340000465
VC have no shooting in the tabletop game.
Learn to use flying units
If I defeated chaos do they come back at some point o4 do I have to settle with the other factions now?
>>339995196
>Empire
Nothing but spearman doomstacks
>>340000742
I know they don't. I wasn't having any trouble winning without shooting or using the OP af Vargheists but imo its unfluffy that they don't get a stone thrower. This goes for WHFB (which I play) too
>>339963048
Does it run better than Rome 2 Total War?
I pass the minimum specs.
>tfw no spooky ghost ships
>tfw no dreadnoughts
>>340000786
Did it say warriors of chaos faction destroyed?
How does moving in reinforcing armies during a defensive siege work?
Do they have to be in position before the siege begins to benefit from garrison reinforcements?
>>340000742
Bretonnians have no knights on foot in the tabletop game. Doesn't mean it's good that way, just speaks to how GW didnt finish all the armies before warhammer fantasy died
>>340000895
For empire;
1x General
19x Picture Related
>>339999226
They'll have to change the map somehow to accommodate territory for the Beastmen and Wood Elves
>>340000786
If you defeated chaos after the lord of change comes they won't come back.
Before that they come back if you destroy the faction.
>>340001321
They might add something similar to the underground where sufficiently wooded areas can contain other factions/creatures capable of hiding in such areas.
Should I get into the tabletop game?
Any where I can check for news about DLC release dates or shit like that?
I want mah wood elves
>>340001712
If you feel like investing around 400$ on a hobby revolving around plastic miniatures and painting them, sure.
>>340000960
Actual navies will improve Empire gameplay so much. Kick those Skaelig fuckers out of my god damn Norsca
>>340001153
Radious please go
>>340001947
mite b cool
>>340001490
>>340001009
Think it said that. time to mop up the rest of the humans and then do some Dwarven genocide.
>>340001630
They should have a "forested" quality, similar to vampiric/chaotic corruption. Areas the wood elves control are basically completely forested. Non-WE armies get a movement debuff in forested territories... or suffer attrition unless raiding
Also in game, the wood elf player can see through trees like theyre not there.
>>340001712Its pretty dead unfortunately unless you live in the UK. Depends if youre interested in 9th age or not, otherwise go 40k
>>340000920
VC don't have ranged in game because they mostly can't use ranged in source material. The only parts of the army capable of using ranged weapons are non-monstrous vampires because puppeting corpses into using the complex act of reloading a weapon is very different than puppeting a corpse to swing it's arm and the monsters are too feral to throw rocks plus the smrt undead just use magic instead and their "ranged" units also just use magic
VC are missing some essential stuff though for fights
Terrorgheist needs it's magic roar (honestly single monsters that aren't giants can get away with a single active ability on a 30 second cooldown without ruining the design decision for streamlining), ALternate mounts like Coven THrone and Abyssal, the weirder chaff/distraction units like Spirit Hosts and magical bat swarms that reduce enemy attack speed , and their core support units like the corpse cart and mortis engine.
Plus on top of all that vamp characters are currently broken as Master Necromancers are just worse in every way versions of Vampires for the same cost and the only thing kemmler has over a generic necro lord is the inability to die perma , a cloak that's worse than a horse, and an actually good magic sword
Other than the campaign map shenanigans thanks to raise dead and attrition/public order manipulation and a cool magic lore vamps are a bad if no the worst campaign to play.
>>340002234
>more sources of Attrition
pls no
>>340001712
Warhammer fantasy battles isn't supported anymore.
Imo those kinds of things are only worth it if you're going to put a lot of time and effort into your models, the game isn't that amazing.
Why does almost everything that isn't a wizard have no fucking active abilities?
Of all the TW games to not have them, you wouldn't think it'd be the fantasy one.
>>340001712
Missed you chance, it had been prohibitively expensive for new players for years, but instead of reforming their pricing structure or adjusting progressively increasing model count required they nixed the entire Warhammer Fantasy setting and most of the ranges and replaced them with Fantasy Warhammer 40k (replete with not-Space Marines). The setting of Warhammer is dead (and frankly that was the only reason to play (because the game itself was a bit clunky and granular for the size of forces). Kings of War is a good alternative ruleswise, though many of the miniatures put out by Mantic dog ugly. Empire will have some alternative models in the Landsknechte sculpted by the bloke who did much of the most recent Empire range hopefully dropping this year, though they bought the company that wanted to put them out several years ago and fuck all has happened.
>>340002326
Yes the i also noticed the Terrorgheist roar missing. VC should get Blood Knights
>Super late game, very expensive cavalry
>Requires ancient armory 1/2 and vampire crypt
>Extremely heavy, hard hitting, and hard to kill
Are L4 necros in the tabletop game strictly worse than L4 vamp lords?
>Decide to try an army full of pistoliers to see if I can make them "good."
>They suck ass as predicted
>AI looks at my stack and decides to copy it
>Fucking 2 enemy stacks full of pistoliers that are fucking annoying and run away and make battles take forever.
I fucked up.
>>340002206
The game is far too fucking expensive to be a practical hobby.
I think a single box of 25 plastic troops costs 35$, and that's the cheap ones.
It's like a $1.15 per little plastic soldier.
Is there a mod that removes the 20-unit army restriction?
>>340002749
Probably going to be DLC.
>>340002996
Buy cheap armies on ebay, partially painted.
Get engine degreaser and strip the paint off miniatures en masse
Depending on the army you can get huge numbers of miniatures in bulk at low prices on ebay
For example if you want to play a mostly night-goblin army I guarantee that you'll look at much less than $1.15 per soldier
Game is missing tons of basic units like pic related.
>>339964426
thats actually understandable though
Bretonnian peasants are literally dirty ass malnourished, mutating inbred, untermenschs
alot of them arent allowed to leave their lords so they end up fucking their cousins and countless generations of inbreeding and malnourishment that the nobles and the peasants are almost too different
>>340003205
Actually, after doing the math, it's 1.40$ per soldier.
Getting them off ebay is obviously cheaper, but if you're looking for specific units, it's a gamble whether you'll find them at all.
Depending on the seller, with the shipping price, it can sometimes be the same price.
>>340003585
For practical purposes, since it would more or less be Grudgethrower v2
They fucked up on the campaigns I think.
>Empire is 'hard' in the beginning uniting the reikland and crushing secessionists but once Chaos shows up everyone is buddy buddy so you just abuse trade agreements and stomp Chaos and eventually vamps
>Dwarves are the easiest because you literally kill your biggest enemy aka the orks in the first place
>Vampires would be hard if the A.I understood how easy it is to just kill zombies and not get intimidated by them/use cavalry
>Chaos is just fighting against the desire to kill yourself as you conquer the entire world because of the A.I spamming agents who destroy your armies
>>340002749
In tabletop having a level 4 necro was way cheaper than a level 4 vamp thanks to the cost of equipment and character upgrades and it let you take more units which isnt a factor in Total War because everything maxes at 20. Plus You could toss a necro on a corpse cart and buff nearby units every time he cast a spell (but really in TT characters as individuals sucked because cannons were overpowered so everyone just spammed level 1 necromancers with 1 fighty vampire hiding in a unit as the Lord)
On a related note I think part of the necro skill tree should involve getting more than 20 units in the army but it's all shit tier undead until it gets upgraded via the skill tree
Like 1 point in it gives you 2 units of zombies, get it to tier 2 and the zombies are replaced by skeleton, get the final upgrade and skeletons are replaced with crypt ghouls with upgrades on the tree doing stuff like increasing the number of units, reducing/removing their upkeep costs. So end game your massive wall of elite units can actually have chaff to eat charges with.
Multiplayer battles are so shit right now because CA doesnt know how to balance shit
Empire is so fucking OP in 15000 gold and higher because Demigryph Knights destroy everything, Chaos wouldve even been worse if they included the most OP shit they have (probably gonna be in a DLC or expansion)
Dwarves are also ridiculously strong if they know what theyre doing, Ironbreakers chew through everything and their artillery crews are tough as fuck, you basically have to rush these guys in a 2v2 or else theyre gonna murder you in range
Orks are ok but they need to meta your opponent into picking a shit army that you counter, its slightly disadvantaged because theres guesswork involved
Vampire Counts are definitely the weakest faction, theyre quite dependent on magic and it taxes your micro pretty bad, especially since magic is so fucking random, you might not think it is but TW is really micro intensive because split seconds change alot in a battle, you can pretty much lose a game because your unit didnt brace to get a charge defense bonus etc. or your charge gets blocked
>>340002784
get cannons bruh
>>340004030
It just depends on your difficulty level
The hard starts are pretty damn hard on VH and Legendary.
I agree Chaos can be pretty underwhelming, but you can mod them to have more and on Legendary they come with like 6 stacks
>start an Empire campaign
>raise two armies and wreck shit east and north
>gain several provinces
>Chaos comes
>I'm at war with a fucker in the southwest
>homeland is being sacked, razed, occupied, and corrupted faster than I can say "oh shit"
I finally came down there and wrecked their shit, but now I'm being manhandled and razed up north. Time to raise another army.
Fuck chaos tbqh
>>340005297
>tfw you play VC so you let the empire cucks break themselves on chaos while you expand south
>>340004190
Or just in general, certain units should fill the cap quicker.
The fact that I have to choose between 1 unit of zombies and 1 unit of grave guard, (late game once I don't care about the recruitment cost, just want the best army i can get in 20 slots) is stupid.
If late tier units took up more slots and early tier less slots than early tier units would matter late game like theyre supposed to
>my army at turn 200+ had no undead warriors, no zombies no skeles, no ghouls because those units all take up 1 precious slot out of 20, same as the late tier units
>find me 1 army in tabletop that ever goes without skeles, zombies or ghouls
>>339995196
Dorfs:
Lord
Iron breakers x9
2 hammerers or slayers
1 troll hammer Irondrake
1 -2 irondrakes
1-2 thunderers
4 organ guns and/or flame cannons
Maybe replace an iron breaker w/ a hero.
>Beat Grimgor in the field of battle
>He gets wounded
>Kill his army and he's gone or something
>Take my main army up north to do the mission and try to grab Mt gunbad
>Greeted to this
G-Grudge time?
>>340006709
I would rather replace one of the Irondrakes with a Thane, drop Flame cannons entirely (UP) for an Engineer (You'll need to level one for a grudge anyways) and put a cannon for one of the Organs.
>>340006714
He looks pissed, mate.
>>340006709
Why thunderer and not quarreler?
>>340008806
Killed the orks & vampires, just been fighting chaos, I like the thunderers against the chariots, also they're cheaper now.
>>339999594
Lightning battles is crucial skill because of this.
>2 player limit in Campaign
My disappointment is insurmountable
Tight bum time for me, as Empire I am doing ok out of the gate, problem is VC have started to take over a lot of territory, they probably rival me. Marienburg threatens my arse, they are pretty strong, I had other targets early on. At least I have Nuln nice and early, pity it got rekt so hard before I set up shop, it was an attack of opportunity.
>>340011172
Should have taken Marienburg early.
Anyone else find the dorf fire cannon underwhelming?
tested it in battle mode and it under-performs to organ gun and even iron drakes.
I fucking love my Chocobos, they are expensive and hard to get but dear God they kick ass. I love the Empire.
I use the Chaos unique units as fodder for 1 or 2 battles. The healing rate is not worth it.
>>340012135
I love the organ guns though.
>>340012260
I'm playing as vamps now. The empire has taken the brunt of Chaos, and now I'm just mopping up. Suckers.
>>339995082
>>340012135
Fire Cannon is trash
Same with Iron Drakes
Organs and Cannons are all ya need.
>>340011172
Gotta take down Marienburg early. The city gets you a lot of income and relatively secure as long as you don't piss off Bretonnia.
First Total War game that I've actually enjoyed, I've become rather good at multiplayer battles unlike in Rome II and Napoleon
>>339970843
just go to war with everyone after you stomp chaos.
>>340011348
>>340014657
Ended up being swiped by Nordland while I was paying attention elsewhere, which means the Runefang will be difficult to get though. Best I've done as Empire yet is this game without Marienburg though, got some nice high tier units. Was about to roll VC with them butI noticed they are only at war with the Orcs so I might as well leave them to it, help out the Dwarfs indirectly.
>>339994367
I would really love to see some elves in the game
>>340015173
Only ones I'm interested in are Wood Elves tbqh, the rest are a bit too old hat.
>>340015340
I've never played table top but I like the idea of having multiple units of Legolas' and spraying arrows down on my enemies
tomorrow is my birthday and im poor
someone gift me this gaemi will give you some indie shit i have in my inventory, plus Divinity full triology (including the newest one)
thanks
>>339981927
In the top right, there is a list of your armies/agents.
>>340017202
Chaos just invaded with some heroes, but I don't understand how to kill them. My army is right next to one, but he can't do anything.
Will we have like one huge game with all the major factions and a fuck huge landmass in like a couple of years?
>>340017620
Doubt it. I think they could probably add like 5 or so more factions to this map, then they will probably have a separate Lustria campaign and Ulthuan campaign or some shit. An Albion one would be funky.
>>340017415
heroes can only be attacked by heroes, you have to detach them from armies to be able to do that
>>340017415
You need heroes/agents of your own to get rid of them, since they're not really armies. Click on a province you control and click the right most button at the bottom of the screen, that should let you know if you've built any of the buildings to be able to recruit them.
>>340015451
Screw Legolas he's got nothing on lumberjacks riding in chariots pulled by lions
>>340017415
You need to use your heroes to assassinate enemy heroes
