What leaders/civs do you want to see for Civ VI?
Gandhi, Montezuma, Teddy Roosevelt, Cleopatra, Qin Shi Huang already confirmed
Hard mode:A thread without mentioning Hitler, Mao, or Stalin
European Extreme mode:No Europeans
Hitler, Mao or Stalin
>>339588449
Hitler, Mao or Stalin.
Hitler, Mao or Stalin
>>339588519
>>339588534
>>339588582
i should've expected this
Reminder for civ 5 babies that Mao and Stalin were leaders in civ 4
>>339588449
Emperor Meiji would be interesting. Give him industry and science bonuses.
Putin.
>>339588449
Hitler, Mao or Stalin
>>339588646
>No Sweden
>""""""""Civ""""""""
Thank god all the Civ 4-fags are dying off, wht a shitty game. Hurr durr whip, oracle slingshot GG
>>339588727
Would be interesting to see a non-Sengoku Japanese leader for once
>>339588731
There was a game about him already.
>>339588841
Too bad I won't get the joke because I don't play games that kill franchises.
#Put in Putin.
I want Andrew Jackson for America
gustavus adolphus
>>339588449
Canada with John A. Macdonald. Tokugawa Ieyasu with Japan. Germany with Frederick. Charlemagne and HRE. Fidel Castro and Cuba. France under the Sun King. Ivan the Terrible for Russia. Constantine for Byzantines.
Perhaps the Hittites or Sumerians as well. Maybe split up the Greek city states into one-city challenge oriented civs sort of like Venice. Or maybe make a Indonesia-like Empire Unique for Greece that makes each city uniquely different in some way. E.g. Athens gets research boost, Sparta can make the unique Spartan unit, Macedonia can make the Companion Cavalry, gain Pyrrhus with Epirus.
Churchill
Will be pissed if no hitler side note give me an Australian civ
Each Civ could have 3 leaders but it's hard to do
Russia could have Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great and Stalin
Greece has Alexander, Pericles and Venizelos
England has Elizabeth, Victoria and Alfred the Great or sth
Split India into 2 or 3 seperate Civs
Tibet
Inuits as the gimmick meme civ
Ireland or Scotland instead of the celtic hodgepodge we have now
>>339588449
Mannerheim/Kekkonen
>>339588981
Why would Canada get a civ m8? I live in Canada myself, but Canada doesn't have a unique enough culture (which justifies Hawaii) and neither any history which has America in
>>339588449
Kevin 07 i hope. I always hoped he would rule the world.
>>339588449
Gilgamesh
>>339588449
Was he really that fat and ugly? Sorry, but I happen to know that he was also shot so it seems really memeriffic to make him America's leader.
>>339589129
Canada has plenty of culture. It could easily represent a 'starter' nation since our history is pocked with various highs that would work well for a tutorial. Starting tutorial would start with colonizing Canada, then expand into early diplomacy with natives. Then fast forward to WW1 with a combat tutorial. Then fast forward to the PLQ to solve internal strife and happiness.
>>339589064
It's a shame that a genocidal degenerate and a demented dictator are the best leaders that pitiful nation can offer
Solomon. For Israel.
I want Pol Pot
>>339588449
Prophet Muhammad :^)
>It's always either Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great or Stalin thread for Russia
Fuck those scrubs, Ivan the Terrible lost everything when he literally gone mad after his wife's death (Oprichnina was a mistake), Peter the Great didn't manage to make a single decent offspring which made rest of the century convoluted mess of elites bickering for power and majority of you would be first to shit on Stalin.
Gimme this fucking guy. Actually Slav, united the territories that formed the government*cough* Rurik *cough*, kicked Constantinople's ass twice, basically made Russia what it was for centuries before inner bickering among knyazes ruined everything.
Lenin would be fine too.
I know he wasn't real, but fuck "realism". King Conan, complete with Arnold Schwarzenegger as voiceover.
Benjamin Netenyahu.
100% combat bonus against city states.
UU able to be converted to a farm and steal territory in the same way as great generals/forts.
Have a unique luxury resource that can only be
traded with other civs when paying them to declare war on a civilization that you are not currently at war with.
>>339588981
>Germany with Frederick. Charlemagne and HRE.
You want a frog to lead the Germans? What's wrong with you?
>>339589325
He actually looks more like Grover Cleveland in that picture than Teddy
>>339588449
Europeans
>>339590145
But you already got all of them
>>339588449
Have these people even seen a photo of Roosevelt? He was not this fat
Victoria instead of Elizabeth
Charles V for spain
I want to see a realistic portrayal of Hitler. A man who liberated his country from Jews, but was ultimately defeated because evil is too strong a force in this world.
Gibs Finns
>>339588449
Cleopetra, because ancient Egyptian waifu
>inb4 she was half Ptolemic
Close enough
>>339590298
Shouldn't you be getting ready for school, Timmy?
CIV series sucks, leaders living 6000 years?
There wasn't even fucking India 60 years ago
Holy shit, why the hell developers use todays things for games set in the past
>>339588449
Taft you fat fuck! You bought that suit from used goods store. I know because I sold it to you!
>>339588841
nice meem belogandonishe
>>339588449
Cao Cao
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Xerxes
Darius I
Philip II
>>339590298
Fuck off Joey
>>339590298
Who let you out of your cage /pol/?
>>339590232
>he was not this fat
Suits are great at hiding weight
I'd like Kublai Khan instead of Genghis this time.
He burned Baghdad down to the ground and made the Middle East the shitstorm it is today.
Lets assume you could put Hitler in the game. How would he work as a leader?
>>339589329
Canada is a nation, not a civilization. Get it right.
>>339588449
>European Extreme mode:No Europeans
A game about CIVILIZATIONS THAT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME. And you want to exclude the Europeans? Fuck off, I bet you're the faggot that supported the inclusion of hunter-gatherers with no agriculture, architecture or system of writing in Civ5.
>>339590335
Is this real?
Justin Tredeau, Barack Obama, David Cameron, and Angela Merkel
>>339590571
it's more to get original suggestions rather than endless amounts of people's own countries, calm your autism
>>339590617
yes
>>339590543
ability to purge pops
every x pops purged you get an aryan pop thats twice as efficient
cannot win diplomatic victory
>>339590518
Correction: It was Hulagu who destroyed Baghdad, though Kublai was THE Khan at the time.
>>339590617
No Helsinki wasn't even founded until the 1500's AD
>>339588449
Bush
>country you annex has 50% chance of being destabilised
Henry the 8th for England would be fun
>Play as female civ
>"You look far more beautiful than my current wife, how about you stay around for a while?"
>"Just say the word and her head will be removed."
peter the great
vespasian or claudius
william the conqueror
>>339590617
yes
>>339590543
Incredibly aggressive, higher quality units which cost more to make and maintain, overall sacrificing long-term sustainability for short-term gain, which can be made up for with conquest.
So build up, blitzkreig everything, and if you fail you die.
>>339590571
Civ 5? It's been like that throughout all the games, even the very first had Zulu
YOU make them stand the test of time, and the game just gives you a bunch of civs to play with
>>339590543
impossible to win a war
>>339590571
There's very few European civilizations that "stood the test of time", most of them have had some form of reform in the past few hundred years. Just like every other civilization.
The guy from the AoE 2 box, for meme value
>>339590705
>Bush leader
>-20% to science output if at war
>Obama leader
>-4 local unhappiness per city (nigger riots and obamacare)
>Trump leader
>Unique building: Great wall of America, =40 city strength, mexican civs cannot walk through even with open borders.
>>339590449
So do you want Xerxes or Darius to represent Persia?
>>339590976
>unhappiness
>obamacare
>>339590941
But they have stood the test of time, for centuries. A lot longer than certain other countries.
>>339590571
>A game about CIVILIZATIONS THAT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME
these days the game is more of about famous/popular Civilisations and leaders.
if some shithole country like Australia were to have a famous leader in the past that somehow was known to nearly the entire world you can bet that they would be in it eventually
>>339588449
How about more varied options for cultural morality and end states? A UN wouldn't be inevitable. Now durable alliances/leagues are plausible. And how about a more realistic world size and movement time.
>>339590298
he was to good for this world
>>339591052
Liberal detected.
>>339589802
Only as a strictly isolationist nation that has a hard limit on expansion.
>>339590232
Roosevelt was strongfat, if anything
dude hitler did nothing wrong lmao
memes
>>339591127
I always thought it would be cool if you were able to leave the world congress in civ V, maybe at diplomatic penalty or something, so that if they make an embargo against your buddy you can still support them
>>339591117
>these days
nigger the series has pretty much gotten better leaders throughout the series
civ 2's leaders especially were crap
BRING BACK PEDRO
>>339591096
Not really, though? Name some examples of countries that have stood the test of time. Most European countries only exist in their current state for less than 200 years, countries like France, Germany, Russia, Spain and Belgium were vastly different or didn't even exist. Meanwhile there are ancient African nations that existed far longer than that, until Europe's invasion of Africa, and most Asian countries are quite damn old as well.
>>339590941
Roma Invicta!
Civ needs Castro and Pinochet.
>>339591096
>>339591462
since when is "lasting some time" an indicator of achievement, anyway?
or achievement/duration in itself a factor in warranting inclusion in Civ in the first place?
>>339591026
I'm good either way m8
>>339591117
>tfw Trudeau/Canada have good chances of being in
>Mexico
>Play as Santa Anna
>specializes in sieges.
>>339589398
>demented dictator
Kekkonen was arguably the best and most successful dictator to ever rule a nation
>>339591583
what is it with these threads and kids wanting their favourite shitty dictator as a leader
>>339591591
It isn't, i'm just arguing that European civilizations have not stood the test of time any more than the rest of the world.
>>339591462
>Meanwhile there are ancient African nations that existed far longer than that
Mudhuts don't count
>Asian countries are quite damn old as well.
Paddy field's don't count either
Fuck Japan was still pretty much medieval until they stole the Dutch's shit
>>339590298
Apparently genocidal leaders have to be at least pre-television to be considered.
>>339591692
Yeah, I'm just saying that "Civilization that stood the test of time" was never a necessity for the Civ games' civilizations
you're supposed to lead them and make them stand the test of time in-game, all that happens is that you get handed a variety of real-life inspired choices
>>339591462
>A country has to remain the same structurally, ideologically or socially for it to have stood "the test of time"
Well if you limit the criteria you can make anything you want to be true. In that case no country on planet earth has stood the test of time. But that's obviously nonsense isn't it? Hope you see that and aren't just trolling.
>>339591778
where the hell do you draw the line, because this seems really arbitrary
brickwork?
>>339588449
Leopold "nigger mutilator" II of Belgium
>>339591778
>ur counterexamples don't count because they defeat my argument
>>339588918
This would be cool
>>339591663
>not wanting a major USA rival and the civ with a special helicopter unit
Chill the fuck out.
>>339588918
How about a mod for Trump.
>>339588449
>Victoria or Henry VIII for England, every game having Elizabeth as the leader of the bongs gets boring
>Peter the Great for Russia
>Willy II for Germany because memes
>Constantine for Rome
I hope they bring back the HRE, we need more medieval civs.
>it's a "underage /v/irgins demonstrate their meme understanding of history while simultaneously showing off how edgy and politically subversive they are" thread
every time
>>339592035
>Says the frog poster
Argument instantly invalid.
>>339592014
Let's have Maggie for Great Britain.
>>339591621
Makes sense.
If motherfucking Brazil and a few other "literally why" countries can get in 5 as DLC than chances are canada and australia have a good chance
>>339591778
Fuck off retard.
>>339591813
Yeah, i agree with you.
>>339591845
What are your criteria for "standing the test of time", then? Because i don't see how Europe is any different from the rest of the world when it comes to that.
>>339588449
Alberto Barbosa
>>339592035
suggest someone good then, champ
Radovan Karadzic
>>339592014
>Constantine for Rome
How can you be this wrong?
>>339592197
Well, yeah
These were the choices for BNW
>>339590453
>>339590452
>>339590353
Please no. I have children to feed.
>>339589008
Gough motherfucking Whitlam for Australian civ.
>people wanting to see Hitler in Civ
Hitler is irrelevant compared to all other German pre Cold War leaders.
>>339590352
She's not half ptolemaic, she is ptolemaic.
>>339592403
>Hitler is irrelevant
>>339592334
pagan shitter detected, don't you have an ox to sacrifice or something?
>>339592197
>a few other "literally why" countries
Like who?
>>339592403
How so?
>>339591510
>rome
>standing test of time
>>339592408
there's non-greek influences everywhere in her family tree
>>339592479
Look all I'm saying is that Constantine is for Byzantine not Rome.
>>339592484
Not him, but Shoshone, Siam and Polynesia are pretty irrelevant.
>>339592472
Compared with say, Bismark yeah
>>339590232
the characters are all exaggerated to fit the new style more
>>339592592
Shoshone maybe, but I hesitate to call Siam and Polynesia for irrelevant
>>339592507
>Siamese
>Shoshone
>Assyrian
>>339592472
Bismarck was a much more impactful leader. His actions destabilized an entire continent for centuries to come.
>>339592592
>Siam
>irrelevant
also Civ has always been in having a diverse variety of civs, not necessarily the biggest
>>339592198
Europe isn't leagues above the rest of the word but they are the cultural cauldron of great civilizations so it's easiest to talk about them.
The criteria should be simple, how old is the civilization, and I'm talking about the people who lived on those areas before, they are as much a part of the same civilization as it's inheritors. Another criteria would be their influence on the world, be it cultural, scientific, religious or warfare, these things govern how countries interact with one another and contribute to how the civilizations have managed to stand the test of time.
And finally, the last criteria being, are they a first world country, if they aren't then their people got fucked over by history, by not playing their cards right, and are now the losers. If a country has stood the test of time then it is on top with a decent economy, military and social structure.
>>339592472
he was relevant for like 10 years and fucked up everything to the ground including his own country
not really a mark of a great leader
>>339588918
No point.
They would replace him with Harriet Tubman in Civ 7
>>339592507
Because Hitlers only achievement is WW2. Everything else he is credited for is actually the work of the Weimar Republic.
They should bring back Musa I
>>339592534
That's true for pretty much all leaders that don't have humble origins.
>>339592776
loosing war is not really an achievement
>>339592684
Assyria is pretty fucking relevant, agreed on te others though
>>339592748
none of these criteria are the ones that were ever the ones sued by firaxis
play a different series
>people wanting hitler
here's a hint: only successful leaders (and Bouddica somehow) get in, Hitler was a complete and utter failure in every way
his actions, in the end, resulted in his people dying by the millions, his cities bombed to cinders, his very nation dissolved into two puppet states, his culture being demonized and the permanent loss of some of its most historic and ancient territory to the very people he invaded
hitler for germany would be as idiotic as calligula for rome
Civ 8 is going to have President Trump.
I want some more ancient civs. Give me Cyrus for Persia, Hannibal for Carthage, Scipio Africanus for Rome. Subothai for Mongols and Ashurbanipal for Assyria.
donald trump
>>339592534
Except for Ptolemy I pretty much all of them married Greeks or their own dynasty, including cousins and siblings.
>>339593057
>Hannibal for Carthage
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring it up, but I wish people would stop because that would just be wrong.
>>339592941
Then why have I literally never heard of it before that DLC.
>>339592952
Caligula did nothing wrong, stop drinking the Senatorial kool-aid
Hitlermaostalin, leader of Germanychinarussia.
Pemulwuy
>>339593057
Hannibal wasn't a leader. Ashurbanipal is in Civ5 as well.
Spain and the celts are always in expansions but I want more Isabella and Boudicca visual novel stuff desu.
>>339593154
Because you're american.
They should have Angela Merkel lead the Eurabia faction.
>>339593182
if he was an effective leader he'd have managed to preserve his heritage and find some leverage against the senate
regardless of how much the tales about him are true, he was a failure
Caligula for Rome.
>>339593057
neither Hannibal nor Scipio was the leader of their civ
>>339593154
Because the west doesn't give two shits about middle eastern history
I really want to see them returning to the "multiple leaders for each nation" thing that some of the older Civ games had. Like for France, having both Napoleon and Louis XIV just makes a lot of sense as they were both hugely influential throughout history.
That said, I'd really like to see either Nero or Caligula as the leader of the Roman empire this time around.
>>339588960
libera et impera
>>339593154
>my own ignorance means they're a bad choice!
read a book
>>339593153
Who would rule Carthage then? Dido probably never even existed.
MONEY
>>339592946
Incorrect.
>>339593294
Scipio was Consul, I'd say that counts as being leader of his Civ
>>339593446
Literally the wealthiest man in human history
>>339593325
Never gonna happen because the cost for fully animated leaders/voice acting is too much tbqh
>>339593419
Dido was a qt and was alright
best choice would be Hamilcar, though
>>339593419
Neither did Poland yet they are in the game
>>339592952
>Hitler was a complete and utter failure in every way
This desu
>German economy slowly recovering in early 30s after financial crisis
>German people can't into democracy and vote for an austrian middleschool-dropout demagogue
>dude military lmao
>blow billions of reichsmarks into the military industry and make a peace speech
>ruin the economy and almost bankrupt the country
>it's the Jews fault
>Poland supposedly attacked us (jk it was a falseflag but who cares the people are gullible idiots anyway) so we invade the whole country, annex a big part of the country and economically exploit the other part
>hey let's invade all other European countries because fuck it lmao
>fuck you Stalin I fall into your back because intergalatic jewish amphibian african bolshevik lgbt gypsy ameronesian conspiracy
>hahahaha I drop some bombs on england because I don't care
>hey America I declare war on you because you're like on the other side of the ocean and you can't do shit from there lmao
>>339592748
I'm going to assume you want to seriously discuss history and not just /pol/ meme, so i'll respond.
>The criteria should be simple, how old is the civilization, and I'm talking about the people who lived on those areas before, they are as much a part of the same civilization as it's inheritors.
This doesn't work as a criterium, Ethiopia automatically wins for being the oldest known inhabited place and most areas of the world have been continuously inhabited.
>Another criteria would be their influence on the world, be it cultural, scientific, religious or warfare, these things govern how countries interact with one another and contribute to how the civilizations have managed to stand the test of time.
This is, again, really fucking broad and applies to a lot of countries. The scope of history is big enough that most countries will have influenced the world in some parts, even underdeveloped regions like sub-Saharan Africa have contributed culturually and religiously.
>And finally, the last criteria being, are they a first world country, if they aren't then their people got fucked over by history, by not playing their cards right, and are now the losers. If a country has stood the test of time then it is on top with a decent economy, military and social structure.
I feel you're oversimplifying the issue, you're assuming every country has equal starting conditions. Let's leave race out of this because that's a whole other anthropological mess i don't want to get into in this thread, but a lot of civilizations definitely got shafted by nature, mostly those in sub-Saharan Africa.
>>339593481
yeah mate you're right thats why they always pick zulu and civs that existed for like 40 years
kill yourself memer
>>339593481
Incorrect what? They haven't. Even Civ 1 doesn't follow that.
>tfw Harriet Tubman will be leader of the Americans in Civ VI
Hideki Tojo and Lee Kuan Yew
>>339593518
Hamilcar wasn't the leader of Carthage either, he was a general like Hannibal
>>339593513
I'd be ok with static leader screens if it meant something like 3x more civs desu
>>339593518
>>339593419
Fuck, not Hamilcar, Mago is who I meant
>>339590617
Not even close. And the fact that you even asked that makes me want to give you the friendly advice of taking a history lesson or two - at 50000 BC there were no cities whatsoever, only small tribes of uneducated fucktards.
>>339588918
>memetacular!!1! XD
>>339593652
Hamilcar the Magonid was, but I was thinking of the wrong person (he was a shitter), see >>339593687
They should implement a leader change every era or so, having your leader alive for the whole fucking game ruins the realism.
>>339593509
actually Crassus was about 5 times wealthier than him
>>339593767
What "realism"? This series is not realistic, it's a boardgame with historical flavour
requesting the screenshot of the .txt with the leaked leaders for civ vi? seemed legit, no?
>>339593278
why not
>>339593687
Mago who? The son of Hamilcar?
>>339593830
Realism isn't the word the previous poster should've used, but I know what he means. There needs to be a infusion of new blood into the leadership from time to time. It makes the game more dynamic - by Civ rules, Germany and Japan should both still want to royally fuck up the US, and for Germany all of its neighbors.
>>339593830
True. but come on, aren't you bored to see your leader dressed like it's 193 AD when the current era is like atomic era?
>>339593852
yes, it was very blurry and askew
>>339593909
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mago_I_of_Carthage
Who should be the leader for the Great Hwan Empire?
>>339594029
Not really, just like Assyria actually being around at that time doesn't faze me
>>339594029
Not really no, some people like being conservative while keeping it old school
>>339594029
leader clothes are going to change depending on the era resulting in hilarious things like stone age Roosevelt
>>339593830
>>339594021
I actually have no idea why I used the word realism, my english is bad so I can't really find the right word to express what I really want.
>>339594086
>>339594103
It's just me I guess.
>>339594029
you want this back? it was funny
>>339594030
yeah it was not a screenshot but rather a photo of the screen.
>>339593608
The argument was who stood the test of time, the criteria I explained fully documents those that did, what you're saying is that because the civ was added to the game, then they stood the time too. Zulu's are an early era civ, and built for warfare, they're obviously there as a counter for science civs, it's a gameplay mechanic you tool.
>>339594294
Wait what? They've implemented this before? Which Civ is this? I've only played V but I own the prequels on steam.
Donald Trump.
>>339594538
Civilization III.
>>339592845
Losing*
>>339594294
This was gay as fuck. The leader is just a personality for the civilization, just so they're different in the gameplay and how they react to you and other AIs, and also for suiting a specific tactic/victory type. The way it currently is is completely fine.
>>339594231
It isn't bad, plenty of native speakers would use the same for it. The other guy was picking at words when he knew what you meant to. Maybe something along the lines of "makes it less plausible" or "is really artificial and could be done better".
>>339591798
But he was not a genocidal leader.
>>339592509
Roman law is still the basis of all law in civilized societies.
Roman culture is still the foundation of European culture.
It's glory is still being taught in schools.
Roma Eterna!
>>339591052
All it has done is make healthcare more expense and cover less. Also there is a heavy tax if you refuse to buy healthcare.
There has been no improvement for anyone, all that it has changed is making everybody poorer and made medical care worse.
>cleopatra's achievements
>is a woman
>seduced some romans
>got her kingdom invaded and had all her relatives assassinated
>managed to get her entire dynasty ruined and killed herself because she was a fucking disgrace
Bravo, best leader for Egypt.
>>339593746
what?
>>339591462
I bet you'd claim that the People's Republic of China is a continuation of the Empire while saying that the French Republic has nothing to do with Charlemagne.
>>339595275
Reminder that the Roman salute was used in America for the Pledge of Allegiance until they went to war with Italy and Germany.
>>339592348
Vietnam would have been cool.
>>339593278
If Canada get Trudeau then Rome definitely needs Caligula and/or Nero.
>>339594294
Would have been cool.
>>339595293
To be fair, she did make Egypt better than her parents or her feckless little brother/husband
But yeah, not the best choice, Hatshepsut is the true Egyptfu
>established trade routes throughout Africa all the way to Puntland
>built a fuckton of cool-ass monuments including her own huge temple
>successful in war, successful in peace
>God Amun endorsed her (it's true!)
>most beautiful of all women, ever
>brought back some fucking myrrh trees and planted them
>associated with Sekhmet, lioness goddess of war
10/10 would play as
Based Michael Collins or Based Padraig Pearse
Can we get Merkel as a leader?
Special unit is Refugee and it makes the population of a city explode
>>339596023
Go away Celt.
Liu Bang
Ramses II
Pope Urban VIII
Teddy Roosevelt
Pol Pot
Lee Kuan Yew
Emperor Hirohito
>>339596338
t.Eternal Anglo
Muhammad, he could lead Europe uniformly
reminder this game will be bad before at least two expansion packs
>>339596567
>>339596182
>>339593261
count on neo-/v/ to make the same joke multiple times every single thread
>>339588449
saladin for arabs
hannibal for carthage
dom pedro for brazil
suleiman for ottos
baldwin for jerusalem
Harald Hardrada/Harald OG for Norway
William de Normandie instead of Elizabeth woud be nice
timur instead of Genghis
mughals in general
Mansa Musa
Charles V for Spain
Cnut for scandi
Seleucus Nikator
Meiji
ivan the terrible
phyrrus for Greece instead of Alexander
alp arslan
>>339596573
>irish
the guy is maltese
>>339596573
>>339596732
>saladin for arabs
>hannibal for carthage
>William de Normandie instead of Elizabeth woud be nice
>ivan the terrible
>phyrrus for Greece instead of Alexander
>Saladin
>Arab
>Hannibal
>Leader
>Frenchman
>English
>Ivan
>not utter shit
>Pyrrhic victory man instead of world conqueror
Mursili II for the Hittites.
Peter The Great for Russia
Ateas for Scythia
https://twitter.com/CivGame/status/736968372559040512/
>May 29 1453, the Byzantine Empire fell to Mehmed II when he captured Constantinople.
I mean, it was published on May 29th so they could have just been cute with it, but it sounds like the Ottomans are back, likely under Mehmed II again.
This comes after an earlier tweet that was relevant to modern news about the Constantine-era Roman shipwreck found. I don't know if that would be meant as a hint about Byzantium, especially taken in conjunction with this one.
>>339597061
>>339596860
>>339596573
>>339596489
>two british islanders fighting over who is the least degenerate
>>339597281
The shipwreck was actual news, there was no real reason to mention this victory's birthday unless they wanted to do something with it
Ottomans are a shoe-in for any Civ game anyway
>>339596990
Sally is a figure of arab nationalism
you could say that alex wasn't greek in the same vein of logic
hannibal
muh cannae
William
Alfred, dick the lion, victoria, someone sides Elizabeth
Ivan
Why not?
Phyrrus
Again just as a possible alternative to alex
>Hono Heke
>Marcus Garvey
>Haile Selassie
>Attaturk
>Hannibal
I want to see Maria Theresa for Austria or, failing that, Prince Eugene of Savoy
Can't we have it so that the Civ leader changes when you reach a certain tech tree choice or even after certain ages? Like having a militaristic Country be represented by a militaristic leader while going an economic route will be represented by an economic minded leader?
>playing brazil because I rolled it from the chart in the other thread
>only hard tourism is from eiffel tower
>rest of it comes from airports and broadcast towers
>trying to win diplomatically for the cheevo
>end up with fucking 1k tourism output because of carnival and permanent golden age because you generate artists sanic fast during carnival
>end up winning with culture before I can even get 30 of the 44 votes needed to win
How the fuck are you even meant to win with this shit? I'm glad they are getting rid of it.
>>339590335
>59000BC
Riiiiiiight
i would buy this game if it had comrade stalin
G L Y N D W R
L
Y
N
D
W
R
I'll give the official list since you guys are shitters.
Also, I'll assume they don't SJW it up by putting in women that had no power just to have women leaders.
1. Absolute musts:
a. Napoleon Bonaparte
b. Victoria
c. Gustavus Adolphus
d. Otto Von Bismark
e. Charles V
f. Constantine
Would like to see:
a. Harald Bluetooth
b. Tecumseh
c. Peter the Great
d. Augustus
e. Oda
f. Ashoka
g. Charlemagne
h. King Solomon
Make it interesting:
a. Dondalo
b. Pope Alexander VI
c. Uncle Adolf: Make Germany Great Again
d. HH dalai Llama Lobsang Gyatso who had control of the Mongolian army and was obviously leader of tibet
e. Ronnie Reagan for a Cold War style leader that is missing from the game.
>>339596023
For Ireland, not Celts.
Manuel Komnenos for Byzantium
David II for Scotland
Marcus Aurelius for Rome
Safavid Persia
Matthias Corvinus for hungary
simon bolivar for gran columbia
muhamed ali for egypt
>>339598217
You can't have Hitler or sjws will bitch and whinge casuing Civ to get bad pr
>>339595496
>>339592348
Why not Lan Na? It was around for 500 years and is basically all of continental south eas Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Na
>>339598217
>Pope Alexander VI
Not a good Christian.
Kaz Hirai for Playstation Nation.
>>339598217
how about having different leader than in civ 5 ? victoria is getting boring for england
>>339598420
t. Sevonerola
>>339598536
You may want to double check that. Also, Elizabeth is GOAT tier for England. Only during Victorias reign were they greater.
>>339598647
Not that guy. Just picking the definitive most influential leader in a civ's history is kind of boring.
>>339598367
>it's a "/v/ shits on Firaxis for having female leaders but constantly suggests meme leaders like Trump and Hitler throughout the same thread"
>>339598217
>Uncle Adolf: Make Germany Great Again
>trusting a populist to make a country great
LMAO
>>339598339
>islamic persia
Fuck no.
I think they should add Bernie. After all, even if he doesn't win the nomination (though he is projected to win California so who knows), he has created a grassroots movement across the country that likes that has never been seen before. He has united a diverse group of people across gender, racial, and wealth boundaries to rally for the common good, and even if he doesn't make it the primaries, he has already forever changed this country for the better.
>>339599031
Here's your (you)
>>339599027
>islam is bad meme
>>339599031
Bait don't get better than this
>no europeans
>posts teddy roosevelt and cleopatra
I swear I should take these threads to /his/, /v/ is shit with not mentioning modern day leaders and /pol/ memes
>>339598913
that populist turned a ruined country into a superpower in just a few years
>>339599258
And then turned it back into shit again.
>>339598793
New List:
a. Calvin Coolidge US
b. Jaques Chiraq France
c. Maria Portugal
d. Gustav Stressman Germany
>They did actually put Stalin in older games.
>One of histories greatest monsters and mad men.
>>339588604
Civ 1 had Mao and Stalin
checkmate fgt
>>339599502
>Calvin "lounge in the Oval Office with bare feet on the table" Coolidge
fuck yeah
>>339599349
Hitler completely destroyed the (recovering) German economy by going all-out on the military to a ridiculous degree, then decided to annex land that wasn't theirs, launching his country into a very brutal war he didn't know how to win, which fucked Germany up even more.
Hitler was a terrible leader.
>>339598913
It's not his fault Poland attacked Germany and started murdering it's citizens to goad him into attacking so Poland could call on it's French and British allies to beat up Hitler for them so Poland could take Germany for itself.France and England knew what Poland was up to and that's why they didn't intervene until it was all ready over.
>>339599349
>implying Russia wasn't going to attack europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBnRZoTHFs
Hitler changed history forever and made Fascism which is 1/3 of the BNW late game relevant. Whether you agree or disagree with him politically, historically he was as significant as Napoleon.
I wish Firaxis would quit bieng politically correct and embrace the historical perspective. Every other leader like Attila gets a pass for atrocities.
>>339599591
I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. Germany was flourishing. Nice try Jew.
Oliver Cromwell for England
>>339599737
>Implying USSR wasn't the one that fuelled Hitler to break the versailles order
fucking edgy american kids, christ
>>339592509
Fun fact, there's still a small micro-state that is technically part of the roman empire. Liechtenstein.
>>339599815
t. waffen-ss
>>339599815
>Germany was flourishing under Hitler
tiptopkek/mademereply
>>339599696
>It's not his fault Poland attacked Germany and started murdering it's citizens to goad him into attacking so Poland could call on it's French and British allies to beat up Hitler for them so Poland could take Germany for itself.
Go to sleep Hitler your propaganda won't work here.
>>339599815
>i'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about
>posts an image a letter written by Hans fucking Schmidt
Ayy lmao go back to primary school, retard.
>>339599696
I'm honestly not even sure what's bait anymore.
>>339589008
Based tone for aus leader
>>339599896
America actually knew what a load of shit World Wars I and II were. That's why they were so reluctant to join in, that's why they only joined in at a huge cost, that's why they protected German war criminals.
Anyone who thinks World Wars I and II were battles of "Good vs Evil" are pathetic, brain washed children. It was always about the near infinite complexities of politics and Empire building.
Big Johnny H
>>339600009
Nice ad hominem and sarcastic jabs.
>>339594294
I'm now imagining Montezuma in a three-piece suit and Otto von Bismark with tribal paint and nipple piercings
>>339600093
I'm not talking about "america". I'm talking about edgy american kids on 4chan
>>339588449
Trump
>>339600093
I don't think anyone ever has had that idea about WWI unless they're braindead
>>339599591
>annexing land that wasn't theirs.
You should probably check out that treaty of Versailles senpai. Poland was given a huge chunk of Prussia. Like the US would tolerate Canada being given Nevada Colorado Wyoming and Oregon.
Britian and the US knew when they signed it that it was shit and way to harsh on Germany to last. Wilson got a headache and went home instead of fighting against it.
Hitler's economy was A- to A. If he had died/ abdicated in 1938 after the Anschlauss he would have been considered one of the greatest leaders of all time.
You shouldn't let the holocaust cloud your judgement of historical facts. The Hitler economy was copied by Eisenhower and FDR because it worked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
wake up sheeple
poland started ww2
>>339600242
> If he had died/ abdicated in 1938 he would have been considered one of the greatest leaders of all time.
But he did not and he's not considered one, kid
>>339600179
I'm going to assume you don't know who Hans Schmidt is, but he was a a member of the Waffen SS.
If your evidence comes from a source that has been brainwashed into believing Hitler is the best thing to ever happen, you should reconsider your sources.
Liam Lynch
>>339600242
>If he had died/ abdicated in 1938 after the Anschlauss he would have been considered one of the greatest leaders of all time.
I've heard this excuse before, but he didn't, which is the big problem. There's plenty of leaders who would've been good leaders had they not fucked up in a horrible way somewhere along the line.
>>339600429
>the sources are bad because the winners wrote that the source was legitimately evil.
>>339588519
>>339588534
>>339588582
I like to play a game where i try to guess what the first post is going to be when i see an OP
This is the first time that I've guessed right word for word
>>339596601
what the fuck?
Henry II for England
Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking pleb and doesn't know their history
>wahhh but he was barely in England
doesn't mean shit
>>339600621
No, the source is bad for the same reason any official statement from the government of North Korea is bad.
>>339597491
>a fucking kurd
>figure for arab nationalism
>when umar, whalid and even that fucking albanian guy that united the arabs in egypt against the ottomans exist
>>339600645
the game was lost, anon
fuck you if you want to know why
>>339600560
If that's what it takes to make England remember us
>>339600409
>kid
>>339600409
>>339600567
>good leader
>made an impact on history
Which was the criteria for being a leader in Civ again?
Memes aside the lecture I posted is really good:
>>339600242
>>339600876
> If the leader I liked had died it would have been great !
>>339600242
The economy wasn't Hitler's idea. Very little of Nazi Germany in general came from Hitler. Come on mate, this is history 101a lot of historians say the holocaust wasn't his idea eitherit did happen though, before you nerds meme on me
>>339600876
He undeniably had an impact on history, but we're not asking for Nixon or Caligula or Honorius or Idi Amin either, who obviously had an impact on history but were all massive shitters
>>339600808
i'm not that guy, but you made me curious
>>339600876
So if Mugabe died after forming Zimbabwe, he would be a """"great"""" leader? Remember Rhodesia was even stronger economically than South Africa at that time.
>>339601102
Just watch the webm - Beyond Earth sometimes just didn't let you see why you lost, instead just having the loss screen on the AI's turn.
>>339598217
>Oda
>Again
Japan has had more leaders than fucking Nobunaga. I'm sure even the Japs are tired of him being in everything.
>>339600713
>England's greatest ever king
>French
>hated England
You can't make this shit up
>>339588449
Ivan the Terrible
Solomon or David
Hannibal
>>339601034
CITATION REQUIRED, SHLOMO
>>339601625
Google if it you want, I can't be assed doing it myself for such a commonly known fact. Hitler was the figurehead people rallied behind, but that was it.
>>339590617
Yes. Sadly most of the stuff from that era was wiped out by the Finno-Korean Hyperwar
>>339600947
More like if a great leader enters an unwinnable scenerio then he is actually shit.
The thing is Clauswitz and others recognize Napoleons greatness and lack of mistakes during the 1812 Russian campaign and nobody gives him shit for being a bad leader because he ended up losing.
Hitler will eventually look like this once the political furor dies down and people can look at it objectively and historically.
This is different IMO than someone like Hoover who was seen as leading the country into the ground.
>>339601081
Nixon was a good US leader except for you know what but didn't really have a hug impact on history except for laying the groundwork for the USSR's defeat.
>>339601034
The holocaust was the Palestinians idea
t. Bibi Netanyahu
>>339601034
No but the National Socialist system was designed to put the most competent people in positions where their talents could be put to use unhindered by lesser minds. This is in Mein Kampf and surprise surprise at Nuremberg the surviving nazi leadership all had surprisingly high IQs.
>>339601841
>put the most competent people in positions where their talents could be put to use
wow what an incredible idea that no one had every thought of before!
Regardless, Hitler didn't even follow that himself. Just look at his insistence in governing military action, despite being absolutely incompetent at it.
>>339601443
tokugawa was from 1-4 and now two games with oda are too muchmake it hideyoshi
>>339588981
Macedonia and Epirus are regions, not city states.
>>339599502
>Calvin Coolidge US
I fucking want this.
>>339588449
>Meme president
I mean, sure, why not, as long as he's better than Washington.
>>339602035
Hitler actually rarely intervened in military matters.This meme comes from the fact that Manstein and other Wermacht leaders were removed from command near the end of hte war and thus survived it while Hitler and other leadership suicide/executed/died fighting.
Manstein for example believed he could have won the Battle of Kursk had he been allowed to fight af ew more days. However, during the battle the Allies landed in Italy and Hitler called off the attack in order to send troops to italy.
This caused Mannstein after the war to criticize Hitler saying 'if he had listened to us he would have won'. Nobody really was around to defend Hitler and Mannstein is regarded as genius so the meme became reality.
Is moving troops to Italy to defend your southern frontier a retarded mistake? Or should you gamble them in a major offensive that you happen to be losing in hopes of a victory?
It may have been the wrong choice but I don't think it was illogical desu.
>>339602035
It seems like common sense but political affairs in Germany had been based on seniority/internal politics/nepotism rather than competency. Kind of like how Obama appoints his biggest doners to ambassador positions.Or how Mitch McConnel and Harry Reid are Senate leaders because they are the oldest.
>>339600242
It's a treaty you retard. The treaty sealed the war. If you break such a treaty expect a war. And Hitler did expect a war, since he armed himself as fuck. And as a result of his piss poor decision Germany lost even more lives, even more land and was returned to a shit broken state.
>>339595424
Reminder that the Romans never saluted in this way.
Then it was that Adolf Hitler for the first time made his appeal to the common sense of the other powers. On May 17, 1933, a few months after his appointment to the office of Reichskanzler, he delivered a speech in the German Reichstag, from which we extract the following passages:
"Germany will be perfectly ready to disband her entire military establishment and destroy the small amount of arms remaining to her, if the neighboring countries will do the same thing with equal thoroughness.
... Germany is entirely ready to renounce aggressive weapons of every sort if the armed nations, on their part, will destroy their aggressive weapons within a specified period, and if their use is forbidden by an international convention.
... Germany is at all times prepared to renounce offensive weapons if the rest of the world does the same. Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression because she does not think of attacking anybody but only of acquiring security."
>>339602838
December 18, 1933, he came forward with a new proposal for the improvement of international relations. This proposal included the following six points:
"1. Germany receives full equality of rights.
2. The fully armed States undertake amongst themselves not to increase their armaments beyond their present level.
3. Germany adheres to this agreement, freely undertaking to make only so much actual moderate use of the equality of rights granted to her as will not represent a threat to the security of any other European power.
[3] 4. All States recognize certain obligations in regard to conducting war on humane principles, or to the elimination of certain weapons for use against the civilian population.
5. All States accept a uniform general control which will watch over and ensure the observance of these obligations.
6. The European nations guarantee one another the unconditional maintenance of peace by the conclusion of non-aggression pacts, to be renewed after ten years."
The defender of the principle of peaceable agreement was thus trying to accommodate himself to the unwillingness of the others to disarm by expressing a desire for a limited increase of armaments for his own country. An exchange of notes, starting from this and continuing for years, finally came to a sudden end with an unequivocal "no" from France. This "no" was moreover accompanied by tremendous increases in the armed forces of France, Britain and Russia.
>>339602838
May 21, 1935, he declared:
The German Government is ready to agree to any limitation which leads to abolition of the heaviest arms, especially suited for aggression. Such are, first, the heaviest artillery, and, secondly, the heaviest tanks. In view of the enormous fortifications on the French frontier such international abolition of the heaviest weapons of attack would ipso facto give France 100 per cent security.
Germany declares herself ready to agree to any limitation whatsoever of the calibre-strength of artillery, battleships, cruisers and torpedo boats. In like manner the German Government is ready to accept any international limitation of the size of warships. And finally it is ready to agree to limitation of tonnage for submarines, or to their complete abolition in case of international agreement.
[5] And it gives the further assurance that it will agree to any international limitation or abolition of arms whatsoever for a uniform space of time."
This time again Hitler's declarations did not find the slightest response. On the contrary, France made an alliance with Russia in order to increase her preponderating influence on the Continent still further, and to augment to a gigantic degree the pressure on Germany from the East.
>>339602838
On March 31, 1936, he formulated the following peace plan:
"1. In order to give to future agreements securing the peace of Europe the character of inviolable treaties, those nations participating in the negotiations do so only on an entirely equal footing and as equally esteemed members. The sole compelling reason for signing these treaties can only lie in the generally recognized and obvious practicability of these agreements for the peace of Europe, and thus for the social happiness and economic prosperity of the nations.
2. In order to shorten in the economic interest of the European nations the period of uncertainty, the German Government proposes a limit of four months for the first period up to the signing of the pacts of non-aggression guaranteeing the peace of Europe.
3. The German Government gives the assurance not to add any reinforcements whatsoever to the troops in the Rhineland during this period, always provided that the Belgian and French Governments act in the same way.
4. The German Government gives the assurance not to move during this period closer to the Belgian and French frontiers the troops at present stationed in the Rhineland.
5. The German Government proposes the setting up of a commission composed of the two guarantor Powers, Britain and Italy, and a disinterested third neutral power, to guarantee this assurance to be given by both parties.
>>339605041
6. Germany, Belgium and France are each entitled to send a representative to this Commission. If Germany, France or Belgium think that for any particular reason they can point to a change in the military situation having taken place within this period of four months, they have the right to inform the Guarantee Commission of their observations.
7. Germany, Belgium and France declare their willingness in such a case to permit this Commission to make the necessary investigations through the British and Italian military attaches, and to report thereon to the Powers participating.
8. Germany, Belgium and France give the assurance that they will bestow the fullest consideration to the objections arising therefrom.
9. Moreover the German Government is willing on a basis of complete reciprocity with Germany's two western neighbors to agree to any military limitations on the German western frontier.
10. Germany, Belgium and France and the two guarantor Powers agree to enter into negotiations under the leadership of the British Government at once or, at the latest, after the French elections, for the conclusion of a 25-years non-aggression or security pact between France and Belgium on the one hand, and Germany on the other.
11. Germany agrees that Britain and Italy shall sign this security pact as guarantor Powers once more.
12. Should special engagements to render military assistance arise as a result of these security agreements, Germany on her part declares her willingness to enter into such engagements.
13. The German Government hereby repeats its proposal for the conclusion of an air-pact to supplement and consolidate these security agreements.
14. The German Government repeats that should the Netherlands so desire it is willing to include that country too in this West-European security agreement.
>>339605125
>>339605125
In order to stamp this peace-pact, voluntarily entered into between Germany and France, as the reconciliatory conclusion of a centuries-old dispute, Germany and France pledge themselves to take steps to see that in the education of the young, as well as in the press and publications of both nations, everything shall be avoided which might be calculated to poison the relationship between the two [7] peoples, whether it be a derogatory or contemptuous attitude, or improper interference in the internal affairs of the other country. They agree to set up at the headquarters of the League of Nations at Geneva, a joint commission whose function it shall be to lay all complaints received before the two Governments for information and investigation.
16. In pursuance of their intention to give this agreement the character of a sacred pledge, Germany and France undertake to ratify it by means of a plebiscite of the two nations.
17. Germany expresses her willingness, on her part, to establish contact with the states on her south-eastern and north-eastern frontiers, in order to invite them directly to conclude the pacts of non-aggression already proposed.
18. Germany expresses her willingness to re-enter the League of Nations, either at once, or after the conclusion of these agreements. At the same time, the German Government again expresses as its expectation that, after a reasonable time and by the method of friendly negotiations, the question of colonial equality of rights and that of the separation of the Covenant of the League of Nations from its foundations in the Versailles Treaty will be cleared up.
>>339605216
>>339605216
19. Germany proposes the setting up of an International Court of Arbitration, which shall be responsible for the observance of the various agreements concluded, and whose decisions shall be binding on all parties.
After the conclusion of this great work of securing European peace, the German Government considers it urgently necessary to endeavor by practical measures to put a stop to the unlimited competition in armaments. In her opinion this would mean not merely an improvement in the financial and economic position of the nations, but above all a diminution of the psychological tension.
>>339601764
Wasn't it Himmler and Goebbels who came up with it, asked Hitler if the idea was cool in an unofficial capacity, then sent a vaguely-worded request (something like 'plan for the removal of Jews from German territories, sign yes plz)' to Goering for approval/funding/whatever who then went 'lol okay' and signed it?
>>339605297
1. Prohibition of dropping gas, poison, or incendiary bombs.
2. Prohibition of dropping bombs of any kind whatsoever on open towns and villages outside the range of the medium-heavy artillery of the fighting fronts.
3. Prohibition of the bombarding with long-range guns of towns more than 20 km. distant from the battle zone.
4. Abolition and prohibition of the construction of tanks of the heaviest type.
5. Abolition and prohibition of artillery of the heaviest calibre.
As soon as possibilities for further limitation of armaments emerge from such discussions and agreements, they should be utilized.
The German Government hereby declares itself prepared to join in every such settlement, in so far as it is valid internationally.
>>339605373
The German Government believes that with the peace plan proposed above it has made its contribution to the reconstruction of a new Europe on the basis of reciprocal respect and confidence between sovereign states. Many opportunities for such a pacification of Europe, for which Germany has so often in the last few years made her proposals, have been neglected. May this attempt to achieve European understanding succeed at last!
The German Government confidently believes that it has opened the way in this direction by submitting the above peace plan."
Anyone who today reads this comprehensive peace plan will realize in what direction the development of Europe, according to the wishes of Adolf Hitler, should really have proceeded. Here was the possibility of truly constructive work, this could have been a real turning-point for the welfare of all nations. But once more he who alone called for peace was not heard. Only Britain replied with a rather scornful questionnaire which avoided any serious consideration of the essential points involved.
>>339602838
Just at this time Adolf Hitler was occupied with the task of finally eliminating sources of friction with Poland. For this purpose he had made an uncommonly generous proposal by which the purely German Free City of Danzig would return to the Reich, and a narrow passage through the Polish Corridor, which since 1919 had torn asunder the north-eastern part of Germany to an unbearable extent, would provide communication with the separated area. This proposal, which moreover afforded Poland the prospect of a 25-year non-aggression pact and other advantages, was nevertheless rejected in Warsaw, because there it was believed, conscious as the authorities were of forming one of the principal members of the common [13] front set up by London against Germany, that any concession, however minor, could be refused. This was not all! With the same consciousness Poland then started to be aggressive, threatened Danzig, and prepared to take up arms against Germany.
>>339589518
I'd actually be pretty happy with this. Add the HRE and you could do crusade wars with your buddies
>>339590571
>Europe
Utterly irrelevant.
Russia and USA should be the only Europe-type countries in the game.
The rest is just second grade minor federations.
>>339590976
>Trump: Your citizens flee to Canada.
>>339604356
>>339604743
>>339604923
>>339605041
>>339605125
>>339605216
>>339605373
>>339605442
>>339605676
Yeah man that looks like a war mongering menace to the world to me. History really is simple and black and white and 20 years of foreign policy and diplomatic relations should really be summed up and explained in one sentence and then opinions formed solely based on that sentence.
Also it would be beneficial if that sentance was written by the victors and the losers had no say in how it was written.
I haven't played civ games since civ 2. Are the newer civs game good? Will this be good civ game? As someone who doesn't play much civ games, is it still worth it?
>>339605985
By that logic you'd end up with a grand total of like five Civs actually in the game.
http://civ5mg.eu/
Lets go fags.
>>339606632
Do you like Risk and city-nation-building stuff?
If so, then 1upt will work for you, and from there it's a race to whatever victory (usually science) you're aiming at.
>>339593716
stop denying the hyperwar.
>play civ
>friend takes your coastal city via war and gives it to CPU
>tell friends hey guys lets not build military units anymore and see what happens if we just play peacefully
>all your friends say no
>you build military units because they already have some with obvious intentions
>guys what if we seriously just didn't build militaries and played peacefully
>friends say no
>build more military units to catch up to theirs
>offer trade to CPU with your city for the city back in exchange for defensie pact
>CPU says no
>take city back with your army
>your friends all declare war on you at the same time
>you kill some of their units and offer reasonable peace
>No
>your other friend not in the war starts gifting massive amounts of gold to your 'friends'
>you tell him to stop; 'No'
>you run out of units
>your friends call you the war monger who started it after totally removing you from the game
>TFW
>>339588449
Mahmud II for the Ottomans
>>339588449
>Implying any non-European/Asian leaders in history ever mattered)
Emporor Qin/Chin is one of the ones I already wanted. Most of the guys from Civ V returning would be fine to me. Except I don't want fucking Isabella with her nasally whining. Or Dido. I'd also like to see a game where we have someone else represent Rome besides Caesar. Maybe Hadrian would be good this time around.
Most of the other leaders I want just come from civs we didn't have in past games. Like Solomon for Israel or Ngawang Lozang Gyatso for Tibet.
>>339607990
The High Roach of Roachistan
>civilisation vi
>not civilisation emacs
OK then.
>>339606267
>i want your things
>if you deny, i war you
Yep, its a warmonger alright.
>>339588449
>Hitler, Stalin or Mao
Hitler, obviously not, but for some insane reason i can see the other fuckers making it in, they were "successful leaders." using success in the loosest term imaginable.
But realistically, the female leaders of russia and china are probably gonna be in this game for muh female quota.
>>339588449
Margaret Thatcher
Badass and would deliciously anger all the retarded lefties.
>>339608351
Read the fucking OP, Qin Shi Huang is already confirmed to be the leader of China.
Oh look another thread about Hitler. Riveting.
>>339593607
The three prime criteria aren't be all end all, the prime criteria is the last one, but it is governed by the first two criteria.
For example America has stood the test of time, it hasn't existed for a long time but it has contributed scientifically, religiously, in warfare and even in terms of culture. Its achievements are nothing to scoff at but it has not existed for as long as European countries, so to say it has lasted 400 years as opposed to thousands of years isn't as prestigious.
And I never assumed all countries had equal starting points in origin, that was never even a factor into it. Countries that are on top have advantages, be they man made like the british empire, or geologically like America or most of Europe. Places like Africa had arid enviroments and infertile lands and that has hindered their growth, but the fact remains that they are a third world country that did not stand the test of time, as I've mentioned is one countries ability to be on the forefront of science, society, culture, warfare and to a distant relation of religion helping it in the past.
Not once did I assume they had equal footing and were trounced by one nations superior minds or capabilities, that is what you inferred.
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