This has got to be the most evil company in gaming. And if you think about it it's a genius business strategy. They've weaponized internet fanboys and memes.
>Make a program that intentionally looks for and puts extra tessellation on the competition's cards AND on their own year old cards to force you to buy their newest one (Gameworks)
>When people like http://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286119108483396/ Find shit like a laptop running doom better than 2 fucking r9 295x's you get your fanboys to post memes about how the AMD cards must totly sux XD and ignore any proof of foul play
>Pay some people to post driver and house fire memes
They've almost got the monopoly they're hoping to get and once it's complete, get ready to shell out $600 MINIMUM to play ANYTHING at 60 fps.
>>339240259
>get ready to shell out $600 MINIMUM to play ANYTHING at 60 fps.
I paid much much less for a bone and I play halo fine at 60 fps.
In fact, idiocies like this one on pc were what made me decide for a console, I will buy more probably.
>>339240259
Improves graphics
>gimping
I love this meme
Sorry you can't afford a new card.
>PCucks have to spend more than the cost of a console on a GPU every year if they don't want their GPUs gimped
>>339240259
>intentionally looks for and puts extra tessellation on the competition's cards AND on their own year old cards
Got any proof of this?
>>339241749
in crysis 2 they put a layer of water underneath the ground that you could never see with out noclip just to fuck with AMD
The thing with doom was AMD's fault. They put out a driver to fix it. Said driver broke a whole lot of other shit while they were at it.
Not everything's the big bad green boogeyman's fault faggot.
>>339240259
>Make a program that intentionally looks for and puts extra tessellation on the competition's cards
>gameworks
>installing gameworks with amd card
why anon? Are you retarded? You sound both underage and retarded.
>>339240259
They won't go for a monopoly I think the number of regulatory costs you bear is far worse
>>339241831
That's a Cryengine fault. That happens on every card because Crytek didn't bother putting in clipping for the water plane.
>>339241831
Jesus Christ dude. By design, CryEngine uses a water volume across the entire map.
>>339241978
Why are you stuttering so much.
Don't tell me you lost the controller to the vibrator again.
God fucking damnit:/
>>339241978
I'd totally use that.
>>339241737
meanwhile consoles always get gimped no matter how much you pay
>>339242740
How? The performance of a console stays the same all through its life. If anything, software updates make them slightly faster by the middle and end of their life.
If AMD doesn't deliver this year I'm going to switch to the PS4 neo and stick with it. I'm not going to fall for the Nvidia meme again, got cucked with my 970 enough already.
>literally need to upgrade every year
>contraire to how it used to be you don't get improved performance for the same price in the next gen - you get slightly improved performance for a much higher price
>no used games
>no piracy thanks to denuvo
>mods rarely even happen and if they do, they're crippled as fuck and barebone at best
And yet some autists wonder why PC"gaming" isn't mainstream.
>>339242807
>it's always shit quality so it's ok
>>339242873
Show me a PC built with new parts AND a Windows licence for $350 or less that plays games better than a PS4.
>>339242873
Console games look almost identical in most cases. Sure, you'll get some nicer shadows, AA and cuckwork on PC but it isn't really a better experience except for the framerate.
>all these anons who don't know of or have forgotten about the crysis 2 and witcher 3 performance gimping
>>339242807
M8, the performance stays the same but the graphics get shittier as we make more improvements with the current shader version. Buying a console is like saying "I want to buy a computer, but only enjoy a game at 50% of it's completion." Also, smaller game servers near the ending days of a console meanwhile my PC will always have the same 32vs32, ect.
>>339242832
>I'm going to switch to the PS4 neo and stick with it.
That is my plan aswell. PC gets literally no worthwhile games I can't currently play so instead of upgrading I'll buy a console too - probably PS4 because Sony always had more games I was interested in than competition.
>NVIDIA VRWorks can improve game performance by over 100 percent
>developers shouldn't use it because "It doesn't support AMD :^("
Explain how this makes sense.
>>339243057
Do Nvidia paying devs to include a bunch of barely noticeable, but very taxing, effects in games to make their older cards and the competition's cards perform worse is a feature you're saying?
>>339243028
>crysis 2 and witcher 3 performance gimping
Explain.
>>339242950
>let's count the OS on PC but not the PS plus price on PS4
>>339241978
Honestly anon, that guy is living the fucking dream right there.
I'd give my left nut to have that and the free time to use it.
DON'T FALL FOR THE NVIDIA GEFORCE MEME
I BOUGHT ONE AND NOW MY COMPUTER RUNS FOR ONLY 10 MINUTES BEFORE LOSING MONITOR SIGNAL
IT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT
>>339243175
Devs improve graphics in their games.
>B-but they are unnecessary! I don't even like graphics anyway.
Sorry you can't keep up with the march of progress.
>>339243181
a shit ton of tessellation was added INSIDE of random objects in crysis 2 to tank framerates and scores in benchmarks for AMD gpus
Witcher 3 ran notoriously terribly on 700 series nvidia cards (780ti having around the same performance as a 960) completely intentionally in order to get as many people to switch to newer cards as possible
>>339242832
>>339243084
Why don't you have one already though? Seriously consoles are like 300 bucks and most people I know have a PC but still have a consoles in the lounge.
Its literally a few hundred dollars. Hardly a hit in the wallet
>>339243198
>let's count the OS on PC but not the PS plus price on PS4
>OS is mandatory to play the games on PC
>don't even mention shitty linux meme OS with 5 games
>PSplus is only required for multiplayer
>you can play games without it
>>339243431
You are talking to literal children. They allready cashed in all their goodboy points.
>>339243198
You don't need PS+ to play offline on a PS. You DO need an OS to play games on PC, and everybody uses Windows because Linux doesn't have many games yet. The price of a monitor, mouse, and keyboard should be included with the PC too, most people don't have those lying around and need to buy them if they get into PC gaming. Most people already have TVs and only need to buy the console to get into console gaming. By the time you have an actually equal cost PC gaming setup, it will be console quality or more likely, worse.
>>339241949
>They put out a driver to fix it
It's still not a full 100% fix because it still runs OGL 4.3, while Nvidia cards run OGL 4.5, despite the fact ALL cards ran 4.5 in the beta. There has to be some corporate bullshit behind that one
>>339243431
Well, in my case my PC still can run new games on acceptable graphics. Plus I am also waiting for how current rumors about better version of PS4 will turn out. And also, I probably buy PS4 for christmas.
>>339243320
>yes goys, you need to render all this wager under the level, that's just progress!
>Getting salty over Gaymworks
Not going to matter in the future given that all console ports will be optimized for AMD architecture and when more than a handful of dx12/vulkan titles are developed with any sort of competence
> Purposely acting retarded
>>339243198
1. that's a quad core, ps4 has an 8 core
2. that's 4gb ram, ps4 has 8
3. that pc doesn't have a bluray drive, ps4 has
What's the advantage?
>>339243313
>Have a 980ti
>never once lost signal
Either your monitors need to be replaced, your cables are broken, or you don't know how to actually use a computer.
>>339243198
toasterfags are the worst. stick to consoles at that price
>>339243198
>no keyboard
>no mouse
>no headphones
Sure thing famila.
>>339243401
source please.
>>339243164
>improves game performance
Except it does nothing but, even with Nvidia GPUs. It is literally a method of pushing obsolescence of previous GPU generations.
>>339243401
The tessellation in Crysis 2 was shoehorned in for the DX11 mode and tanked for everyone because it was a bad implementation that added detail everywhere regardless of whether or not it needed it. This got fixed in later version of the engine with the addition of proper displacement and PN triangle tessellation.
Nearly every time I hear about someone crying about AMD being intentionally gimped by developers, it always comes back to tessellation. Considering that AMD was the first on the market to support tessellation only to drop the ball immediately after means that AMD fucked up, not that the competition is fucking them over.
>>339243917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYL07c74Jr4
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/36namy/psa_nvidia_tanking_witcher_3_performance_on/
>>339242832
I don't really have any desire to play new releases on PC. I have barely any friends on there because they're all console plebs so dead multilayer is irrelevant. I just keep my now old PC to play a bunch of strategy games and no new ones worth playing look set to be released.
>>339243813
Ps4 doesn't really have an 8 core.
>>339243956
>Except it does nothing but, even with Nvidia GPUs.
VRWorks does. The entire purpose of it is improving performance.
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks
>>339240259
>polaris still not out
>goalposts moved several times, from flagship to Tonga replacement
>launch only on 29th of June
>rumors are nebulous
>AMD almost two months late as usual
Hmm, could this be early damage control?
>>339244083
>>339243917
i have a gtx 780 and can more or less confirm the performance was dog shit
but only when hairworks was enabled, pretty much.
>>339243587
Clearly it must be nvidia at fault, when they had little involvement with it. Couldn't possibly be AMD's notoriously shitty history with opengl, that would mean they made a mistake, no it has to be a conspiracy theory.
>>339240259
This has got to be the most evil company in gaming. And if you think about it it's a genius business strategy. They've weaponized internet fanboys and memes.
>Make budget-tier GPUs that always perform worse than in tests and never work on good drivers for them so they are unreliable as fuck
>When people notice have your drones cite that you are the underdog and that people should buy your cards just to avoid a monopoly instead of their own merit
>Never improve one bit so instead make money on consoles, no need to pay people to post housefire and gameworks memes because the the general dissatisfaction people have with your cards will make sure they will loudly try to justify their purchases anyway
They've never even got close to a monopoly because they always just get around on being the only alternative, and never improve their work at all, outsource half of it to indians (which then got hacked) and slap together the rest twice a year.
>>339244181
AMD has a press event at computex 1st of june.
Why bother with rumors and speculation when they are themselves handing out the information to come literally in a few days.
Polaris is going to be shit from what I know so far, they got their big money at vega that's set for october.1080ti wont have HBM2, vega will
>>339243813
The PS4 only has 7 usable cores actually, one is reserved for the operating system and prior to a recent software update another core was outright disabled.
Additionally only 5GB of GDDR5 are available as again, some is reserved for the operating system and that 5GB pool is shared between the system and graphics processor.
>>339243974
>Considering that AMD was the first on the market to support tessellation only to drop the ball immediately after means that AMD fucked up, not that the competition is fucking them over.
what's the good faith basis for nearly invisible tesselation on roadblocks and literally invisible tesselation on water running under the gameworld in crysis 2? it didn't improve the visual aesthetic of the game one iota so it's a bit confusing.
>>339244181
>contranian faggot
>everything is shilling
This place is beyond hope
>>339241978
That reminds me of a thread I saw on /g/ not long ago about how some guy wanted to buy a hospital bed so he had an adjustable backrest.
>>339243813
60Fps, modding, emulating
>>339244403
>what's the good faith basis for nearly invisible tesselation on roadblocks and literally invisible tesselation on water running under the gameworld in crysis 2?
Indifference. Someone decided to crank up the tessellation on a few objects, and no one on the dev team gave a shit about how it affected performance.
>>339244403
>what's the good faith basis for nearly invisible tesselation on roadblocks and literally invisible tesselation on water running under the gameworld in crysis 2? it didn't improve the visual aesthetic of the game one iota so it's a bit confusing.
Because you need the latest nVidia Ultra Mega Gaming Cancer 9000 Edition Titan SLi ™ to get the true gaming experience, ignoring the fact that the game is barely an upgrade from the first one and all the zones are on a much smaller (enclosed) scale.
Fuck nvidia and the clowns that defend them.
What shit about Nvidia is they seem to rarely improve the performance of their last gen card overtime, they only optimize their API calls only for newer cards when it comes to upcoming game that has Nvidia partnership or so the new cards would look good on the benchmarks and brag about the 2x gains but they simply just ignore the support previous cards when the truth is they can really push the performance of the last gen cards further.
>>339243460
>OS is mandatory
Paying for it isn't. I don't know a single person who has payed for Windows since 95.
>>339244403
>good faith basis
It's poor programming, nothing more. The water is because they didn't add clipping for the water plane so it continues to be rendered inside of objects. The bad tessellation is because they slapped a simple phong tessellation technique on any object that had material support for it and called it a day.
Crysis 2 doesn't even use Gameworks, just the regular DX11 API. The fact that nVidia cards run such a hack job implementation just fine when AMD shits the bed means that AMDs support for DX11 was terrible.
>>339244594
That sounds like the dev fucked up to me.
>>339241831
I'm sorry mate, but how is it Nvidias fault that Crytek coded is so their water planed would fill the entire level and not remove it when you couldn't see it. Is it Nvidias fault because the devs don't know how to use the technology?
>>339244883
xDDD
>>339241749
Nvidia driver 314.22 lets me play Dark Souls III 720p on 40-60FPS. With GTX 560 (non-ti)
They shit all over support of their old cards
>>339244789
>>339244907
You're talking about seasoned programmers working on a multi-million dollar project, if you think the tessellation Crysis 2 fiasco was anything other than an intentional you're delusional.
I'm also sure the nvidia logo on the box and the "the way its meant to be played" splash screen was included purely by accident as well.
I wish fanboys of all kinds would just cease to exist. I don't have a strong opinion on either Nvidia or AMD but if either of them fall too much behind then I might as well get a new hobby because I will not be able to afford the hardware to keep up with the requirements.
>>339245068
>I'm also sure the nvidia logo on the box and the "the way its meant to be played" splash screen was included purely by accident as well.
that's the nature of competition, m8
I don't care about AMD fanboys, but GameWorks effects looks pretty good imo, the latest Nvidia Flameworks iteration looks the same as FumeFX but can be done in real time desu.
At this rate we're going to get Pixar quality in games in real time, we are already pretty close thanks to photo realistic textures and geometry but lighting and effects particles are still a long way to go but GameWorks is closing the gap pretty fast.
I don't give a shit if it tanks FPS in your old card with outdated tech.
Pushing towards it is a good thing for everybody it means AMD/Nvidia will have to design cards than can do the effects with low performance impact.
>price of PS4 is 400€
>you need PS plus to play online and the console will probably last for atleast 5 years so that's 250€
>PS4 Neo will be 400-600€
>atleast 1000€ for one gen, meanwhile a PC built in like 2013 will last for 6 years easy
#4thegamers
>>339240259
Who. The fuck. Cares.
You know other companies with near monopolies? Coca Cola. Microsoft. Kleenex. I don't see your vag bleeding over them.
A monopoly pretty much never means jacked up prices. That hasn't been true in a century. Capitalism 101 and remedial economics, nigger.
You know how they got there? Having the superior product. Period. I went AMD once and only once. The drivers were shit and EVERY game had some kind of issue. Ended up giving it to my friend and buying my current card.
If AMD wants to compete they need to make things easier. And build a product that doesn't shit the bed every time you load a game.
Isn't it fantastic how we in PC games can adjust settings to run games at our own desired level of fidelity.
The point about having to constantly upgrading your gpu is false.
>>339245337
>A monopoly pretty much never means jacked up prices.
This is what NVidiots actually believe
>>339245145
I just think that it isn't too far fetched to assume that they intentionally added absurd amounts tessellation in order to make their cards perform better in stress tests, even if this meant sacrificing their lower / mid range.
>>339245337
>sabotage your competition by throwing money at developers which in turn clog up their games with shit like Hair / Flameworks.
>superior product
>muh drivers
https://youtu.be/zsjmLNZtvxk
>A monopoly pretty much never means jacked up prices
Contemplate your life.
>>339240259
>They've almost got the monopoly they're hoping to get and once it's complete
If you knew anything about how the world really works beyond your conspiracy hashtags and meme tumblrs you know that a bona fide monopoly is nothing any company wants because it's the quickest way into forced divestiture on anti-trust grounds.
Nvidia is desperate to keep AMD going they'll financially support them whenever they're in really deep trouble. The second AMD is gone nvidia will be crushed as well, they need AMD as an "eternal second" to keep the balance with nvidia being the dominant force without being a monopoly.
Why do you think they resort to subterfuge to instead of relying on straightforward market dominance strategies?
>>339245068
>seasoned programmers
Cryengine is technically impressive, it did a lot of things that other engines weren't even thinking of doing but the one major thing that Cryengine has never been is optimized. They push to be the first to do something, they never push to be the first to do it efficiently. You never near about Cryengine being the fastest or the most scalable or even the most flexible engine, hell you couldn't even make your own custom material shaders in CE2 for a long, long time because it was all a hard coded part of the engine. The tessellation fiasco was not intentional but it was lazy because it was part of the DX11 patch that was added in after the games release that was made simple to have support for it done, not done well.
And the nVidia logo means shit. AMD teams ups with devs for their games and slap their little logo and splash screen on them too and those titles still perform better on the competitors cards.
>>339245337
>A monopoly pretty much never means jacked up prices.
Internet service providers in the American south and Midwest would like a word with you.
Particularly cable providers like Time Warner Cable (Now Charter).
there is a general lack of context in some posts.
I'm not saying it's entirely malicious or pre planned, but this is generally how an unfair advantage takes place.
NVdia team up early in development as a sponsor, NV sponsorship generally involves "donating" cards for development machines, and providing beta drivers with game specific optimizations during development, thus adding to developers not noticing terrible optimization paths on their side, this usually results in the game itself being terribly optimized in general,
these optimized NV drivers are generally on end users machines before the game releases.
whereas on release the AMD cards, runs the game without any optimizations on launch, and have to hurry to release a driver patch, to make the game a nicer and comparable experience.
it happens to a lesser extent in reverse too.
The big thing to realize about this entire situation is it's fucking retarded, game developers (sometimes unknowingly) rely on AMD and NVIDIA to optimize their fucking games on PC, instead of doing so themselves..
DX12 and Vulkan remedy this, because by design, the driver is a mere shim, and basically can't optimize, the developer has all the control, and responsibility.
and yes, nvidia gameworks is a closed source SDK optimized heavily on Nvidia hardware and architecture, it definitely reeks of foul play, in the sense that in some cases short of reverse engineering shaders on a game by game basis and creating optimizations it's difficult for AMD to optimize some gameworks games, in many cases within 3 months there is general parity between vendors. but that interim AMD gets slammed, and it is unfair.
P.S. I've personally worked on and owned PCs with both vendors, and don't have a strong preference, however ethically Nvidia are pretty shady, i don't think it's even a contentious fact
btw AMD has a gameworks analogue and it's opensource. not as robust yet but it's open
worth noting, UE4 and unity5 will have DX12/Vulkan
>>339246043
P. much this. Even if it weren't NVIDIA sponsored games, they still put much more effort into their drivers writing game-specific code to optimize it. They will literally rewrite shaders to run better on their hardware. Also, DX12 makes it easier for developers to optimize themselves, but we'll still see improvements made by drivers.
>>339245003
>5 year old card
>expecting support, and even performance
shiggy
>>339244083
What a lovely video.
And there are people in the world who keep saying that there's NOTHING WRONG with monopolies because the "small time innovators" will always have a chance to come up with something better.
Jesus fucking christ people are retarded...
>>339246589
it's not too much to expect to not have your performance actively sabotaged by new driver releases
![hitman-absolution-2012-czech-r2-front-cover-104806[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/I4GmRNc.jpg "hitman-absolution-2012-czech-r2-front-cover-104806[1]")
>>339246696
>>339245003
are you being ironically retarded? or?
560ti was released almost 6 years ago. das3 was released 2 months ago.
>>339246910
What does this have to do with anything
>>339246043
DX12 can go fuck off as long as they plan on using it to market windows 10, desu.
>>339244167
>>339243956
>>339243164
Isn't VRWorks going to be open source anyways?
>>339246978
because that one nigger expected his 5 year old gpu to be able to display a brand-new game at 1080p/60fps apparently, and said it's purely nvidia's fault that his gpu doesn't because they stop supporting old cards
>>339241585
>implying
>>339241749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s this video does a pretty good job showing it off.
>>339242950
>>339243198
>>339243460
>>339243570
Windows can be put on a PC without paying for it, and that can be run indefinitely, legally. For more information, "Windows 7 infinite rearm".
>>339243813
PS4's CPU is 1.6GHz. You don't really get to do direct piece comparisons, as the performance is clear. Games that play on mostly Ultra settings on PCs like this, which includes Witcher 3 and GTA V, don't on consoles.
>>339243904
M+KB is less than $15.
>>339243021
No. 1/2
>>339241737
>>339242832
>need to upgrade every year
Is that why a 750ti performs as well as a PS4? Is that why the consoles have replacements announced already? This GTX 960 PC blows consoles the fuck out.
https://youtu.be/ECxgUTTMdFs
https://youtu.be/LK5SaoWsEYs
>>339246470
very true, it's also worth noting Nvidia and AMD's GPU division have a huge employee/engineer disparity, so manpower is an issue on AMDs side, don't know the logistics and behind the ATi acquisition and merger, but I ponder if ATi was still ATi how it would have gone.
Part of AMD's motivation was getting experienced GPU engineers in on designing it's APU line, which by and large slaughter Intels intergrated graphics especially at price parity chips. (intel CPUs still being quite a margin ahead in general though of course). and while using the same GCN architecture, consoles are SOCs not discrete GPUs.
in hindsight, seems like AMD are spread pretty thin, whereas NV just focuses almost solely on discrete GPUs, drivers and SDK software (and their mobile line..that no one will license. lulz)
also one of AMDs new strategies is teaming up as an alternate vendor in the laptop space, which has only become viable with their new focus on lower TDP in the polaris line, so desktop GPUs still aren't their primary focus...
the new enthusiast tiers launch next year with HBMv2, be interesting to see how that goes (GDDR5X kinda hinders one aspect HBM in general offered in terms of throughput. but size is a huge gain with HBM, so if they use the same chip space for new lower nm process chips O: it'll be a pretty significant push for desktop graphics.
should be interesting to see both vendors HBM2 offerings next year
>>339247587
http://www.techpowerup.com/214365/amd-now-almost-worth-a-quarter-of-what-it-paid-for-ati
It happens.
>>339247171
totally agree, win10 can go fuck itself, and already the first win10 games are being slaughtered in reviews, my local PC gaming mag gave quantum break 6/10 citing all the win10 and UWP bugs and issues as reason enough, if this was DX12s launch it's floundering big time, which is good for everyone else. win7, linux even winXP can run vulkan nuf'said
also Nvidia's press event for the 1080 and 1070, they showcased vulkan, but didn't mention DX12 once.... lol
>>339247173
Yep, some find it surprisingly, but to be honest, if it wasn't open no developer would really use it..
>>339247918
By the time any games come out that actually use dx12 it will be 2017 and the 1000 series cards will be depreciated anyway.
I don't get all the retards who talk about having to "pay $600 to upgrade your rig every single year"
I've been using my 280x and i5 3570K rig since 2013 and even if I upgrade my GPU when the 1070 comes out I'll still have the same processor, RAM, and SSD running for several years
>>339240259
>intentionally looks for and puts extra tessellation on the competition's cards
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about
>>339247469
>Seagate
This is practically admitting PCs that cost the same amount as consoles are of lower quality than consoles. And the Windows 7 to 10 thing is only a temporary thing. If I'm in the sub $400 price range, there's really no reason for me to not go for the console because it has exclusives and doesn't have to deal with the driver fiascos PCs have every time a new GPU generation comes out.
t. Idort
>>339240259
>This has got to be the most evil company in gaming.
That actually sounds like standard American business practices, OP
>>339248476
Maybe you shouldn't buy anything then and save up a little more cash, because a higher initial cost goes a longer way down the line. And I've had two Barracudas in my system for tree years and they're still working great.
>>339248724
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
>>339248803
>shows a graph where literally all storage companies have a huge failure rate
That's not even relevant anymore. There was a batch of drives that had shitty failure rates. It happens, just like the 360 had the same.
>>339247469
>320GB HDD
why
>>339248803
>tfw my western digital hard drive from 2005 finally died last week
>>339248894
>not even relevant anymore
>May 17th, 2016
Okay.
>>339248803
Nobody buys 4TB Seagate drives. Anything above 2 is for mass storage so people go with WD Reds or Greens or various Hitachi drives of course.
>>339248904
>PS4 instead of a similarly priced PC that outperforms it by literal Teraflops
Why.
>analog stick controllers instead of trackballs and mice
>>339248956
So, where are the drives under 2 TB? Checkmate.
>>339248476
>muh 400 dollars for a console
You always forget to mention 60 dollars per game + subscription so you can play online
>>339241585
>improving
yeah sure, arkham knight looks even shittier on pc than consoles
the most pathetic thing is that they were advertising that piece of shit port on all the nvidia related sites
it fucking sucks
>>339248904
Because you can't build a PC with off the shelf parts with the same specs as a PS4 for the same price as a PS4. You have to make sacrifices on things like storage to get a better GPU.
>>339249302 >>339247469 >>339247528
>damage control
>>339243431
wel yes the consoles cost only 300 but I have to pay like 100bucks for every game that comes out, fuck that
>>339249302
Again the initial cost is higher, nobody's trying to hide that fact, but when you get a superior system that you can still use to do things like shitpost on 4chan, and one whose cost will go equal witha console after a while, it's well worth it for anyone that's not just "doing what's modt convenient" aka settling for shit
>>339249240
It's not though. $60 is only for new games, they go down in price over time and you can get used games cheaper as well, and sales exist as well. And you don't have to subscribe to Xbox Live or PS+, I've gone without it for a while on my console. And while it is shitty and I wish they didn't require it, GwG at least gives me more than $60 worth of games I actually play every year.
>>339249521
If you don't get the year sub, you're most likely paying much more than $60.
That cost should be included anyway because online, especially 4chan, Twitch, Youtube, online games, ordering groceries from Amazon, etc.. -- that's all really valuable. What's more prevalent, playing multiplayer games and posting on 4chan or playing SP games on PS4?
>>339249362
It's not damage control. At $350, the PS4 has a larger hard drive than the $377 PC posted. It's just a fact that to build a PC for the same price as a console, without even including an OS, you have to make some of the very same sacrifices console makers do to get the price so low.
>>339249730
Storage space is irrelevant to performance.
>>339247765
Someone needs to buy the graphics devision out of AMD hands.
>>339249806
>tfw Samsung buys AMD and HTC
>>339249708
I've always gotten live on sale for less than $60 a year. Normally they have promotions around the holiday season where you get a discount on gold if you buy it with a game or something.
And it's not like console players don't have PCs that can't do what you're saying either. They typically do, you don't need a high end PC to shitpost on 4chan. They use the money they save on not buying a high end gaming PC to get a console. It's not a bad trade off if you want a laptop computer instead of a desktop computer for gaming.
I have a gaming PC and a console, I have the PC because I have the money for a better experience. I'm not going to pretend gaming on a toaster is better than a console though.
>>339249781
But it is not irrelevant to your gaming experience. You need space to store your games, people can easily fill a 320gb hard drive.
>>339249267
Shitty pajeet contractors make shitty port.
Somehow Nvidia is to blame for this.
>nvidia develops new technology
>AMD fags get mad they can't use it properly
>AMD makes shitty knock-off version of said technology
>Makes it open-source so AMD fags think they're the good guys
Every time
>>339250035
>buy both pc and a console when on low budget
Great idea, better not invest those 400 dollars for a better pc that does everyting.
>>339250210
But if they do that, they're stuck with a desktop when they want a laptop. Gaming laptops are even more expensive and less portable than regular laptops. This is a common situation that a lot of people find themselves in, which is why consoles are so popular. And for people in this situation, they likely already have a TV but not a computer monitor, so they see consoles as an even better value because they don't have to spend an extra $100 (or more) just to be able to display their games on something.
>>339250035
It's 180GB. You can get that and more on ebay for really cheap.
Just as well, >>339250210
>>339250489
If they're getting a laptop, that has no relevance to a PC vs. console discussion. They would get it anyway. The best idea is still getting a PC and a used laptop. Gen 2-3 i7s are like $100, and they can still play games.
>they likely already have a TV but not a computer monitor
Oh, so I can report this for shitposting? Because TVs and monitors have the same input methods.. but PCs have more options for compatibility: VGA and DVI instead of just HDMI. Let me know.
>>339240259
> Spends millions developing new technology.
> Doesn't give it away for free.
Gee, what dicks.
>>339250713
>play on console
>any competitive shooter can have some shitter coming in and playing on a mouse and keyboard for the price of a game
tfw
>consoles can never make you money unless you sell it
>pc can be used to make money,
>>339241737
Oh so we're down to "every year" now? Is the next one gonna be "every six months"? Also what is the price of a rig again? Were we at $2000 or has it increased as well?Fucking moron
I agree.
They're intelligent, nihilistic, and have a wicked sense of humour.
>>339245597
>I just think that it isn't too far fetched to assume that they intentionally added absurd amounts tessellation in order to make their cards perform better in stress tests, even if this meant sacrificing their lower / mid range.
It is a possibility. The risk for nvidia is big backlash, if story proven to be true
>>339245597
>I just think that it isn't too far fetched to assume that they intentionally added absurd amounts tessellation in order to make their cards perform better in stress tests
And that is why nobody pays you to think.
>>339241585
AMD hair tech looks better and doesn't cost 10 FPS on Nvidia's hardware.
>>339240259
>Find shit like a laptop running doom better than 2 fucking r9 295x's
Wut. I run that shit maxed out between 60-140 fps on a single 290.
>>339241978
Fuck off sonypleb.
>>339240259
>AMD doens't support newer OpenGL
>this is Nvidia's fault
>>339243164
If you have a Nvidia card and use bloat like that and the "Nvidia Experience" crap, you only got yourself to blame. That crap won't improve performance, quite the contrary.
>>339250190
get fucked, a lot of shit first appeared from ATi/AMD, whether tessellation or hair (tressFX) but they didn't throw massive marketing and wads of sponsorship around, so barely anyone paid attention, AMD have been open for years, backing the advanced physics library Bullet, which is just as capable as havok or physX as an APi, and even has some impressive OpenCL GPU acceleration.
>AMD develops technologyy
>fails to get developers or gamers captivated and therefor doesn't go very far with
>Nvidia Rehashes said technology but makes it closed and proprietary and markets the shit out of it, and actively sponsors developers and convinces them it's a win-win and going to be less effort for them than any other option
>AMD tries discouraging closed by making all it's previous things that weren't open and making open alternatives to things nvidia did do first
besides many other aspects that make them objectively less cunty, gr8 b8 m8
This is Pajeet. Pajeet live on designated shitting street. But Pajeet also head of AMD research! Pajeet make great cheap card.
>>339250713
If you don't buy a monitor and just use your TV for your PC, that'd just a shitty experience that nobody wants for when they're not gaming. First of all, you're going to have to buy something like a corsair lapdog ($120) to even be able to comfortable use a mouse and keyboard on your couch. Secondly you've sacrificed the ability to use headphones with your computer, unless you buy some some sort of adapter or expensive wireless headphones. And using a TV to do heavy text reading is a bad experience as well.
You are making so many sacrifices on the PC just to make it compete with consoles at the same price point that you are turning the PC into a machine so gimped it might as well be a console. And when you've done that, you might as well get a console because they don't get fucked over by driver updates, they have an OS/UI optimized for TV use, they have exclusive games (the PC has its own exclusives too, so I guess that just depends on which exclusives you prefer), the just werks™ factor in general on consoles is more appealing to normies, and a lot of the times it's what people's friends have so they can game together online.
>>339251626
where does this even come from? on linux even a 5 year old AMD card supports OpenGL 4.5 is it that doom thing?
I've owned 2 Nvidia cards and 1 AMD card.
The first GPU I ever owned was a 9600GT which cost me around 130 dollars in my country at the time. It usually got very hot around 75 degrees and died after only 7 months.
The second GPU I owned was a Gigabyte HD 6850 1gb from ATI/AMD. This was the best purchase I ever made at the time. It ran anything 60 fps medium/high settings @ 1080p and lasted me for 4.5 years before being replaced. It still works to this day. It also never went above 70 degrees in any game I played. it would always be 55-65 degrees full load. Beautiful card.
The third and current GPU I own is a EVGA SC GTX 770 which I made the fatal error of paying full for in 2015 mere weeks before the 970 released. This current card I have has struggled to play games @ 1080p like The Witcher 3 and some other games. It also in every game gets very hot @ 75-83 degrees all the time. I've had it for around 18 months.
I noticed very little difference between AMD and Nvidia from my experience. The next card I'll be buying come Polaris is probably a Gigabyte R9 480 which will be the equivalent of a GTX 980ti for a lower price, well according to what AMD is saying.
All in all GPUs are just hardware to make your game run smoothly. Don't overthink them. Sure some shady stuff goes on, sure one competitor might beat another for awhile, but at the end of the day those 60-120 frames and cool temps are all that matters.
>>339251658
Yes, This is because amd's drivers are garbage, and years after thier cards come out they are still working on optimizations that should have been there in the first place, the performance of the Nvidia card does not change, the amd cards just finally get drivers that don't blow ass 2-3 years after the cards are first released.
wasn't anyone here ever told by their parents that 2 wrongs don't make a right?
flinging shit back and forth doesn't make you mature, retaliating against console or PC, whatever "side" you think you're on doesn't make you less immature than the other side.
it's called grow up, stop having passionate debates over middle school fuckery.
>>339251957
>Gigabyte R9 480 which will be the equivalent of a GTX 980ti
>>339251983
>Shit driver meme
You do know this hasn't been the case the last few years, right? It's actually the NVIDIA OPTIMIZED games that have been running like shite NVIDIA cards while they worked fine on AMD cards.
>>339251923
It's completely, exclusively a hardware/driver issue. AMD a shit.
http://www.amd.com/en-gb/products/graphics/desktop/r9
>>339252231
^this
>>339243057
>as the graphics get shittier
are you fucking retarded? look at games from the beginning of consoles being a thing. NES games looked damn near SNES (with fewer colours) by the end of the NES cycle. Then the SNES, near the end of that we were getting 3D games that looked like early n64 games. That hasn't stopped. Look at something from the beginning of the 360s life against fucking GTA V on the 360. It's night and day. Kill yourself you fucking retarded manbaby. Even games that were coming out on the ps4 at the beginning of its life are nowhere near as good looking as the ones that come out today.
>>339252076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ7VCOgMZ9I
get ready to trash that 980ti anon. I get a superior card for 1/3rd the price
>>339252231
But I thought gameworks was made to fuck over amd cards. Now you are saying that they run it better? Make up your damn mind.
>>339252076
Actually, yeah, thats pretty much what AMD is aiming for - GTX 980 performance for 250$ starting price.
Considering that GTX 1070 will have (based on early tests) around 30% better performance than 980 with 380$ starting price, you get 30% performance gain for 90% higher price.
In such case, new Radeons will be much better purchase. Especially since nobody knows, when 1060 will be released and how much powerful will it be.
>>339252258
what the fuck, how does that even happen? the hardware should be compatible, i mean i guess the 6990 (2011) (supports GL 4.5) is a different architecture to the 2XX (2013?) but uhm.. yeah what? that's retarded
>>339252282
Enjoy waiting 3 years after your card comes out to actually get the performance you paid for.
>>339252404
>$380 is 90% higher than $250
t. AMD shills
>>339251820
>First of all, you're going to have to buy something like a corsair lapdog ($120) to even be able to comfortable use a mouse and keyboard on your couch
A controller is plug and play, for that same, awful experience as on consoles.
>to use headphones with your computer
>what is wireless
>what are extender cables
>a TV.. text reading
..Is fine. I've put away my 21.5", 1080p monitor for a 768p 32".. on my desk.
>>339252332
yeah i hear it'll be within striking distance of the 980ti at any rate between the 980 and 1080, for significantly lower price 1/2 or 2/3rds at most
>>339252479
Enjoy having your performance gimped a few months after you've bought your card.
>>339252525
Ah, yes, sorry, 52%. Divided by 200, not 250 by accident.
Just... Two... More... Days... Until... Glorious... Poo.... Age...
Gotta hold out against all the NVidia marketing and fanbase zombies until then.
>>339252580
You can read text on a TV like you can read ebooks on a smartphone. It's just a shitty experience compared to using an actual monitor.
So let me get this straight. You're advocating using a $377 PC, which doesn't even come with a Windows license and has 180gb less storage, to use on a TV, while getting a controller to use that PC (~$50), which means you've sacrificed the non gaming uses of the PC in the realistic use case scenario here. You have just built a PC that only has the same functionality as a console, for more than the cost of a console, with non of the practicality of a console.
Why can't you just admit consoles fill a niche that PCs don't?
>>339252332
that guys accent rocks, aye lassy
I hate GameWorks and I even have a 900 series card. Any time a game runs like shit for no reason, it's always GameWorks. Every time someone bitched about Denuvo killing performance, it was also a GameWorks game, and then you have games like MGS5 and Mad Max that run great and use Denuvo, but not GameWorks.
I love it when someone posted that XCOM 2 cover with the GameWorks logo. Sure enough, the game runs like fucking garbage for what it is.
I still like my GPU, but Nvidia better lay off this bullshit soon or developers better give them the middle finger with this shit.
>>339253082
Oh and I forgot the noise part. The PS4 and Xbox One are very quiet even after gaming for a long time. I only have two case fans and the CPU fan at 60%, and I can hear my PC ~15 feet from me right now. I'm sure you can pay for premium fans that are quieter, but again, then you're comparing more high end PC parts with consoles, which is stupid given the price disparity between mid range/high end PCs and consoles.
Maybe when we're closer to the end of the PS4/Xbox One's lifespan you actually will be able to build a comparable PC that normal people would actually want to use for the same price as a console because of APUs. But we're not quite there yet.
>>339253082
>while getting a controller to use that PC
If you're a casual.
I play games at a desk. I don't play 45ft. away from my "TV" because that's fucking unhelpful for competitive games.
>as if you can't play from the couch with a wireless mouse and keyboard
Creativity.
>>339253756
>when we're closer to the end of the PS4/Xbox One's lifespan
So, now?
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates
How the actual fuck, has a PC specific thread become a fucking Console Vs PC thread?
FML
>>339254059
Clearly you weren't following the conversation. If you want to play games at a desk/not use a controller, you'll have to spend at least $100 for a monitor, which makes the cost of entering the PC gaming market $100 more than it is for entering the console gaming market.
When you try to build a PC for the same use case scenario as a console, for the same price as a console, with the same features as a console, you have to make a lot of sacrifices that turn your PC into little more than a fucking console. And while you've gimped your PC so hard, you still have to deal with things like shitty driver updates or lack of updates, a much more complicated user experience, not being able to game with friends if they have consoles as well. If you want a better experience on PC than on console, you're going to have to spend more than you would on a console. Why is this so hard to admit?
>>339252679
I've had a 980 myself for a year now to try out nvidia for once, have no qualms with it so far aside from it having horrible price/performance ratio.
I will feel the pain once DX12/vulkan and async compute becomes a thing but by then I would have probably upgraded to a 14nm mid range once the node matures with better performance and features anyways.
I am hoping my 980 would be sufficient for 3 years to run VR vidya without nvidia going for broke unleashing the wrecking ball.
Driver neglect would be one thing, still unacceptable for a product that is only 1 generation behind. But if they go as far as deliberately dropping performance and hindering the architecture like what they did with kepler through unnecessary levels of tessellation. Then I will definitely be switching back to AMD unless they prove themselves completely incompetent.
None of my games utilize gameworks anyways most of them suck and don't add much to the experience.
Might switch back to AMD if DX12/Vulkan means they don't have to fuck with drivers to improve performance. They are far cheaper down under.
I do like physics based simulation though especially anything to do with spatial audio. Hopefully effective hardware agnostic counterparts are released to prevent fragmentation. And encourage devs to incorporate them into their game as core features and not mere gimmicks.
>>339254298
There isn't a computer with an APU that performs on the same level as consoles for $350, with an operating system and keyboard and mouse and a monitor included in that price. You have to get that package below $350 for most people to consider PC gaming to be cheaper than console gaming. Until then, PC gaming is more expensive to enter than console gaming.
>>339251957
>480
>not vega
ya dun goofed
>>339255386
>you weren't following the conversation
>>I play games on a TV on a desk
>>339254308
astroturfing and people on /v/ easily taking the bait as per usual.
>>339255657
>TVs don't work with PCs
Is this desparation? Post quality is a board rule.
>There isn't a computer that performs on the same level as consoles for $350
Plus online, right? >>339247469
>not having a keyboard and mouse
$15 max. Maybe use some of the money saved from game prices. >>339249310
>operating system
Already covered in that first post.
>>339255386
> I just plug my PS4 in and play it without any video output.
>>339254308
Because mods won't keep >can't see 30FPS and >can't use a TV with a PC shitposting out
>>339256053
Then why put TV in quotation marks if you game at a TV with a desk? And in that scenario, you're now requiring people re-arrange their living rooms to accommodate a desk. That's simply not practical. This is why so many people like the idea of a $350 box that you plug into your TV and it plays games and Netflix and YouTube from the comfort of your couch with a controller.
>>339240259
295X2 is a dual-GPU card and there is no CF support (from AMD), as such only 1 GPU is used. That's 1 290X, which is a card from 2013.
Buying an AMD card was the worst mistake of my life.
Never again.
>>339256434
>in that scenario, you're now requiring people re-arrange their living rooms to accommodate a desk
So, now PCs can be played on TVs? So, it's as simple as a wireless mouse and keyboard and a fucking notebook or something? Checkmate.
>buy an AMD card
>limit the tessellation with the global settings in crimson
>suddenly everything runs really well
how odd
>>339256313
Stop asking for me to be banned like a child. You can leave if you can't handle different viewpoints.
We already covered this. If you don't buy a monitor, you're making using the PC for things other than gaming a really unattractive proposition. You also have to spend $50 more for a controller, which comes included with a console. This adds to the cost of the PC.
You do not have to buy PS+ or Xbox Live, in fact many people don't. You also get more than $60 worth of games with them every year, so while I disagree with the requirement, it's not a bad deal. Steam users probably spend $60 a year in steam sales on games they never play.
To use a $15 mouse and keyboard with a TV, you're going to have to buy some sort of accessory to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch, or you are going to have to buy a monitor, making the cost of entering the PC gaming market higher than it is to enter the console gaming market.
You showed me a temporary offer. The free upgrade to Windows 10 expires soon, not everyone will be able to take advantage of it.
Just face it, nobody wants to use a toaster that's been gimped to hell just to make it compete with consoles over an actual console.
So are they releasing soon or is it just going to be announcements of release. My 7850 is aging terribly
>>339256669
explain
So whats the best card I can get for around 400€ if I dont give a fuck about VR?
I'm currently using a GTX680 and the card has been working like a charm for the last 4 years.
>>339256895
>buy an amd card
>games crash constantly
>many people have the same problem
>amd doesn't give a single fuck, not even listed in known issues
not odd at all, I should've listened
>tfw finally getting rid of my 280x in the next few weeks
>>339256717
Wireless mice and keyboards cost more than $15, again adding to the price of this $377 PC which already costs more than a PS4 and comes with a smaller hard drive. And have you ever tried to play with a book as a mouse pad? I have, it's not fucking comfortable.
Why can't PC gamers just stick to the argument that PC gaming is a much better experience at the higher price tiers? I have a $600 PC myself, I prefer to game on it but I'm not some tard from /r/PCMasterrace who believes a $250 PC + $100 monitor is better than a console. Nobody wants to make all the sacrifices required to enter the PC gaming world for $350.
>>339257280
I've personally never had any issues with my AMD 390.
>>339257239
This anon did it for me.
>>339257280
I bet he has a 380/380X.
>>339251658
So AMD finally manages to unfuck their cards after years of driver optimizations, where's the gimping
>>339251626
BUT IT DOES YOU DUMBFUCK
>API SUPPORT6,7,8 DirectX® 12, Mantle, OpenGL® 4.58, Vulkan™, OpenCL™ 2.0
NVIDIOT ON SUICIDE WATCH.
>>339257445
According to AMD. They aren't fully 4.5 compliant.
>>339257445
What's this Nvidia woodscrews meme?
>>339257335
>$377 PC which already costs more than a PS4
But comes with online gaming.
>>339255575
>I am hoping my 980 would be sufficient for 3 years to run VR vidya without nvidia going for broke unleashing the wrecking ball.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>1070 still not even out yet
>reviewer using latest Nvidia driver for 1070 showing 980 dropped performance under AMD r9 390.
>an AMD card that was struggling to beat 970 months ago.
YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP.
>>339257440
>where's the gimping
>>339257695
>>339240259
>This has got to be the most evil company in gaming.
No, that's either Konami or Warner Brothers.
>>339257771
I'm glad that AMD finally got their shit together, but that's not what gimping means
>>339240259
But anon, Nvidia has no long term plan, they're on their way out.
>>339257857
If you thinks a 390 could beat 980 in any years then you are fucking retarded or deluded
I use GTX 950 currently, never had problems with it and running 60 FPS in the modern games that i like to play.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
>Where the plot thickens is when you look at the Koduri’s unwavering ambition. Koduri’s ultimate goal is to separate the Radeon Technologies Group from its corporate parent at all costs with the delusion that RTG will be more competitive with NVIDIA and become a possible acquisition target for Koduri and his band of mutineers to cash in when it's sold. While Koduri is known to have a strong desire to do this by forging a new relationship with Apple on custom parts (no surprise there) for Macbooks, the real focus is on trying to become the GPU technology supplier of choice to none other than Intel. While this was speculated some time ago I can tell you with certainty that a deal is in the works with Intel and Koduri and his team of marauders working overtime to get the deal pulled into port ASAP. The Polaris 10/11 launch, and all of its problems, are set to become a future problem of Intel’s in what RTG believes will be a lucrative agreement that will allow Koduri and his men to slash the lines from Lisa Su and the rest of AMD.
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>339248104
Because people tend to want the newest shiny toy even if they can't afford it.
II started with a 660Ti about 6 or 7 years ago. I upgraded to the 970 about a year or two ago. I upgraded my processor last year. Got my first SSD last week. The motherboard is the only part I've replaced due to some bullshit fucking up the board, and have since then connected the computer to a back up battery to negate that shit.
>it's an "Nvidia users can't change their tessellation settings" episode
I love that.
>>339258040
thank fuck
>>339257984
Why? Specs wise 390 is better than 980
I work as a tech support guy for a company that sells professional graphics software for architecture and shit like that, and believe me there is nothing worse than AMD cards, to the point I literally advise against getting any type of AMD card, even the FirePro, they're complete garbage compared to even several years old Quadros.
AMD is trash, no wonder nV has a monopoly.
>>339258040
I dont know why you would celebrate less competition for your favorite manufacturer.
It just means that he can fuck you over more easily.
I look forward to the nvidia monopoly on the pc market
that'll be fun
>>339240259
>PC gaming requires shitloads of money
>PC players are pirates and therefore poorfags
Cognitive Dissonance
>>339258145
>Specs wise 390 is better than 980
Oh so you are deluded
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-390-vs-GeForce-GTX-980
>>339257869
AMD will be gone long before nVidia. At least nVidia still makes a profit each year.
AMD's GPU department has lost money for 3 years in a row. Not sure how they can stat in business if it keeps up.
>>339245494
it's actually what monopoly apologists believe
these are the same guys who go on to say m$ should drop consoles and let sony effectively do the same thing nvidia is
>>339258286
Did you even read what is written there, retard? Aside from memory clock AMD hardware can produce better results, on paper. It doesn't, because AMD can't make proper drivers and fully utilize what they got in the card, but they improve with each year.
>>339258286
>using gpuboss
>>339258296
Servers, CPUs and consoles is what's keeping them in business. And if they can outplay Nvidia in the coming years with actual development of architectures unlike Nvidia's "let's put the same shit on a smaller die" then they'll be reinstating the 50/50 split.
>>339258296
AMD get money from Microsoft and Sony since their tech is the stuff that's powering their consoles.
I think AMD will be fine
>>339258427
>Aside from memory clock AMD hardware can produce better results
>literally losing in coreclock speed and all benchmark.
>b-but drivers
Don't worry, we all know you already changing too 1080 because you can't handle the gimp.
I seriously hope AMD don't fuck up Polaris and Vega.
I think AMD need to focus on the low-mid range with cards and try drag the prices down. Nvidia's pricing model is just getting ridiculous.
>>339257280
>buy AMD card
>mouse cursor rendering is all fucked
>10 years later its not fixed
>>339240259
It's not the first they did shit like that(physX 2.8 anyone) but i also don't want to have to deal with it so i'm buying Nvidia. When i'm about to drop 350-400 bucks on a new GPU i don't care which is technically the fastest but which is the fastest in real world scenarios and if that means just not buying the one that gets fucked over then i'm okay with that.
>>339258427
Buy AMD card
3 years later the drivers almost don't suck, card is outdated.
B-but its better on paper!
>>339258627
The amount of money in profits AMD makes from the consoles is minuscule. It's why nVidia didn't even bother trying to compete with AMD when PS4 was shopping around for a new GPU.
It wasn't worth it. They won the console market because nVidia didn't give a fuck.
>>339258569
And in the CPU department they're losing to Intel.
When it comes to GPU market share (not including onboard as Intel wins there), nVidia has like 80% of the market and keep getting more each year.
When it comes to CPU's, Intel has the massive market share.
AMD is always going to be second string and lose out to their betters.
>>339258787
Man, I haven't got this for almost 4 years.
Thanks for the nostalgia.You fuck up, AMD GPU card doesn't exist 10 years ago.
>>339258691
I'm getting a 1080 because I can't handle my 280x being gimped in new games on release, so I guess you're right.
>>339257689
Again, if you want to make this a 1:1 comparison, you have to include the cost of the games that come with PS+/GwG for PC. And a lot of people don't even buy online because they don't want it on consoles.
Just fucking admit it, the reason consoles are so popular is because for the same price, nobody wants to game on a toaster. For $350 dollars, consoles are more convenient, you just have to plug them in and sign in instead of building them from scratch, and easier to use in a living room set up because the whole UI/OS was made for it. Nobody is denying that you can get that same living room experience on PCs, you just have to pay more than $350 for it. Nobody is denying that PC gaming is generally superior, you just have to pay more than $350 to get on that level.
>>339258965
The problem existed on ATI cards 10 years ago
>>339258982
But anon, new games will be either Vulkan or DX12 so only 9xx series will got gimped, unlike the GCN series. :^)
Do i need to change something?
I can run the witcher 3, fo4 and ds3 just fine but i want an upgrade
>>339259068
Then he got shitty bait since he only said AMD.
>buy AMD card
>10 years later its not fixed
>bought AMD stocks when they were less than 2 dollars
>now they're worth twice that
hurrah
>>339259129
get a stronger i5 if you think your a bad enough dude
>>339259072
dx 12
Being relevant before 2018.
>>339259160
ATI got bought by AMD
They're made by the same people
>>339240259
>puts extra tessellation on the competition's cards AND on their own year old cards to force you to buy their newest one (Gameworks)
total fuckin bullshit, my sides
>>339240259
Thanks for video anon. Fuck Nvidia. I'll never get there card again. (Got a 570 a long time ago)
>>339259241
Not 10 years ago.
>>339259241
The funny thing is that the GPU department (Basically ATI) is worth less now, than when AMD bought it. lol great investment there.
>>339259216
Is it really need it? I was under the minimum specs for Cpu for the witcher 3, but it went kinda smooth
>>339259072
dx12 still isn't relevant and we're halfway to 2017. it won't be relevant for years to come.
people still use the same single game ashes of singularity benchmark because no one has released a benchmark worthy AAA dx12 game yet.
>>339259345
Turns out AMD actually bought ATI 9 and a half years ago
where did all the time go
>>339243587
AMD drivers misreports their OpenGL version, it's a well known fact, you can find several years old posts about it. Technically there should be nothing stopping AMD drivers from reporting OpenGL 4.5, but it still reports 4.3. and the app uses what it is available.
AMD focused more on DirectX in recent past, no one game a fuck about OpenGL, Linux drivers from AMD aren't that great either.
>>339259229
yes, that's why all latest Nvidia GPU was boasting about Vulkan power in Doom and double the power in RotR DX12 version.
Just like how Nvidia was boast their DX11 GPU in Crysis 2 back then, so hurry up and ditch your Maxwell GPU because you goy soon gonna get gimped.
>>339253756
>ps4 and xbox one are quiet
That's bullshit, both sound like airplanes about to take off
>>339259375
source
>>339259601
>because you goy soon gonna get gimped.
What did he mean by this?
>>339259427
Nvidia was not using Ashes to test DX12 in 1080 conference, they were using more popular games.
Even when they did used it was beating both 3xx and 9xx by miles.
>>339258942
All depends on what they reveal in the coming years, signs point to a return of form of being a serious competitor to Intel and Nvidia. Least they can do is make the others innovate more so win-win really.
>>339258942
That sounds like a load of horseshit to me, I guess they cared so little they were in previous generations as a joke then? The longer Nvidia is out of the console business the more they'll have to spend their own money and time making viddy jems run decently on their GPUs insteaod of the developers.
>>339259832
http://www.techpowerup.com/214365/amd-now-almost-worth-a-quarter-of-what-it-paid-for-ati
>>339260005
They bought ATI for 5.6B in 2006 and this is their current financials
>>339259971
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible
>>339260005
>2015
man, I thought you were baiting using recent article.
What next, mouse cursor error from 10 years ago?
>>339240259
My next card will be an AMD thanks to all this shitty moves nvidia has been doing (still, not as bad as the ones Intel has been doing against AMD for years now).
>>339260064
their stocks are starting to recover
they'll be fine
>>339260139
Yeah, a year is a whole lot of time. In AMD's case it is actually as they're worth less now than they were last year.
>>339242832
Honestly this is the real reason PC gaming is suffering. It's because of schemes like this... not piracy or bad hardware.
Shit if drivers were better optimized and if people didn't have to deal with gameworks then most people wouldn't mind buying more powerful hardware as it would likely be cheaper by demand.
But as it stands most users don't have high end GPUs because of over pricing and belief that even high end cards aren't good enough because of shit like this.
Steam users are in the millions and GoG and Gamer'sGate aren't too bad on users either. The market is there, we just have to get rid of this bullshit before it can flourish.
>>339260174
At least Intel actually doing better and be a better sport in competing against AMD CPU department.
Nvidia on the other hand.
>>339260256
Lmao, missed by one post.
>>339260037
there's just 4 aaa games released so far with dx12
so what?
>>339260037
WOW its fucking nothing.
And 90% of these games were made for dx11 and then half assedly ported to dx12.
>>339260393
oh I was just showing how little dx12 is being adopted
>>339243904
So what would it cost to replace your TV? You can't just exclude it from the price.
>>339260271
We just have to stop improving graphics so that AMD can catch up. Then games will finally be good.
Keep dreaming.
B-But goyworks does not improve anything.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to help you sleep at night.
>>339260347
look at the 5 year plan of that stock fucktard. JUST this month AMD got back to what they were last year when that article came out. So the article is STILL true. I was wrong only because I was going off the stock from a few months back which was lower. I don't check AMD stock that often.
>>339259063
As if PC doesn't have free games?
>a lot don't buy online
Source not provided.
For the $400 price point, PC wins everything except the immediate option to play all exclusives. But not even a console gets all exclusives, so that's irrelevant.
The reason PCs aren't purchased more over consoles is because the price is just now so much lower than it was. $150 960s weren't a thing. That was where the 750ti was.
>>339260134
Oh right I forgot you were only allowed to parrot PR talk of some marketing executive.
Anyway as I stated before, no optimization by developers is going to hurt Nvidia, meaning they'll have to do it themselves => Extra time & money. This will increase as long as the consoles keep on using AMD, Nvidia has no long term plans on architecture that could possibly catch up on what's about to hit them. Best they can do is keep pumping money in fixing drivers for multiplats, keep the marketing going to try and stave off AMD's market share and hope to god they can keep putting the same architecture on smaller dies and make a profit from that.
>>339240645
15 FPS != 60 FPS.
>>339260393
>>339260408
>same denial when nvidia released their DX11 capable GPU
>when games like Metro, crysis, and Stalker actually used the power of DX11.
DX12 already out for years but none of the devs really cared because it was optimized for AMD GPUI, that's why only no-name devs like Ashes make DX12 games.
Now Nvidia already got their "true" DX12 ready card all devs gonna want those Nvidia money.
>only 4 AAA
Compare to last year, there was none. Nvidia literally set the standard.
But this also meant it killed their 9xx series GPU while AMD will doing fine.
Stay in denial.
>>339260642
Speaking of parrots.
The whole "whats about to hit them" I've heard time and time again from you AMD Cucks, and guess what. AMD STILL loses more and more market share and more money each year.
>>339260726
Stalker so gud
>>339260842
>AMD STILL loses more and more market share and more money each year.
you say this like it's a good thing
Pretty sure the most evil are EA or Activision.
>>339260548
Today AMD stock was worth 3 times compare to last year you dumb fuck.
>>339260726
So in 2 years dx12 might actually have some games, and your 390 will be even older and more useless. But hey AMD might manage to fix the drivers for it enough to get you another 10 fps.
>>339248104
I spent about 7 years with a single GPU upgrade, playing everything mostly on high settings with some messing around on newer games.
The Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 was a beast. And only quite recently games started requiring more than 4 GB RAM. The only part I ever upgraded was the GPU, from an HD4850 to a cheap GTX550 Ti, before building an entirely new computer.
>>339260174
I had a 6950, was happy with it, then a friend gave me his old 670 for free, pretty good card too
But I'm just waiting for a decent card to be around 250-300 euros from AMD
>>339260946
Nah, Vulkan is the next standard and good luck with Nvidia because they give up.
>literally only 3% improvement with software Async on in 1080 cards.
KEK
>>339260174
>not as bad as the ones Intel has been doing against AMD for years now
wew lad, those were dark hardware days.
>>339260608
So you're counting free to play games? Because consoles have those as well. And if you mean piracy, then stealing a console is an option as well. I don't get your point. You've also conveniently added $100 to the price of a console. You can get a new Xbox One for $300 (with a $60 game included), a new PS4 for $350 and a refurbished (from Sony) PS4 for $320. For $300, with the cost of Windows, you cannot build a computer that is a more compelling purchase to most people than a console. A $300 computer performs as shitty as a console. You're using a shitty membrane keyboard at that price point as well, as well as a ton of other budget accessories. What's the point of poverty mode PC gaming? In the end you make all the same sacrifices consoles make.
The PC doesn't win everything. If it did, people would buy them over consoles.
>>339260946
>and your 390 will be even older and more useless
Do you even know what DX12 or Vulkan is?
>>339260842
Pointing to the past to say the future is set in stone isn't a very good argument but I see you called me a cuck so you're clearly right, excuse me.
they're really planning for a June 29 release of Polaris? It better be worth the wait
Wolfenstein looks like a ps2 game for me right now
>>339261067
Thats because Nvidia cards don't have problems with underutilization like AMD cards, so they don't benefit from async compute.
>>339261067
Why would there be any,
1080 is just a maxwell shrink.
Nvidia is saving money releasing the same architecture again while amd has to spend money pushing new tech to catch up.
>>339240259
You can complain all you want, while I continue to play games and enjoy them on ultra.
>>339261067
And by the time async is actually relevant for anything other than memes of the singularity Nvida will actually bother to implement it.
>>339261140
Found the paid microsoft employee.
>>339247918
>>339247171
Agreed. Win10 and DX12 can go to hell.
Win7 and 8 users have Vulkan and both cards support it. I'm sticking with that, the open alternative.
>>339260882
Last year this time AMD Stock 3.20. This year 4.60....
Wow you're bad at fucking math dude. Either that or the Shill is strong in you.
All the ignorant generic "amd drivers have always been shit" pisses me off, I've had 2 Nvidia GPUs and 2 AMD gpus, the Nvidia ones fucked me over far more, my first was a 4400MX, buying that at the dawn of pixel shaders, and turns out nvidia went and fucking rebranded a god damn muthafucking Geforce2.... they fooled so many people into buying it which was T&L no Pixel shaders, john carmack went out of his way to implemented a no pixelshader mode for doom3.
Then I owned a 6600GT (back when it went X200GT-low X600GT-mid X800GT-high) which tended to have driver crashes a lot, and i had constant rainbow texture artifacts in many games like oblivion, fable etc
then i owned a ATi Radeon 4870, had no issues at all really, performance was decent, didn't experience any of this notorious 'shit drivers'.
The only issue with drivers i ever experienced was a bit of a pain with ATi(not AMD) having to uninstall and remove them properly before installing new drivers, 1 extra step, (or a driver cleaner tool) that if you didn't perform 'could' result in errors requiring an uninstall and reinstall. but they tell you like 3 times during install to make sure to uninstall, and all tech magazines told you too.
Then i had a 6970, which is creaking but performs pretty good still for many games, I am due for an upgrade, and have come really close to going nvidia. But am waiting for new gen
seriously i hear so many people blathering about how shit amd drivers were/are. Which i struggled to hear back in the day online or off, it became a vocal point of insult since the huge fanboy war started, which only really emerged in the last 5 years or so, and it's mostly all surrounding all the pre-optimized games...
>>339261223
>1080 is just a maxwell shrink.
Lol no.
>>339261329
>And by the time async is actually relevant for anything other than memes of the singularity Nvida will actually bother to implement it.
u w0t m8?
>>339261153
Muh dx12
AMD will finally be relevent this time guys I swear, no way that nvidia will make cards that can implement async in hardware two generations from now.
>>339245003
Dark Souls 3 runs like piss even on higher end cards. I can't get a solid 60fps at 1080p with my R9 390
>that time when ATi released the Radeon 9700, a GPU so good that it took Nvidia 18 months to come up with a better DirectX 9 card
>>339261192
I'm saying that this is the same thing people have said, AMD has even said it... and year after year they've been wrong, or just lied. So why, without any proof, should I trust you, or them.
>>339261376
>they were last year when that article came out.
READING COMPREHENSION.
>>339261153
It's not magical you know. Sure it will help out a lot for current games. But future games are going to push it to their limits. With more BS like Hairworks.
>>339261356
This whole thread I've been defending the PS4.
>>339261372
>Win7 and 8 users have Vulkan and both cards support it.
1. Vulkan is DX12
2. this is only half true.
Just by reading point number 1 you clearly do not know jack shit about Dx12 or Vulkan.
>>339261601
OK microshill.
>>339248803
Man, Seagate is such a piece of shit. Had two of their HDDs crap out on me, never again.
A Western Digital also went kapuf on record time over here. I'm trying a Hitachi drive right now, let's see if this one is finally worth a damn.
>>339261445
>AMD will finally be relevent this time guys I swear,
There goes the goalpost, was expecting this to happen sooner.
>>339261620
>1. Vulkan is DX12
Is your dick as small as your shilling is shit?
What's the speculated price tag for GTX 1070?
I'm planning to get my PC renewed since current one still miraculously has Radeon HD7850 and poor AMD Phenom II X4 965.
>>339261414
>FP64
I didn't know you were using your GPU for data mining and AI anon, I'm sure your double precision will make all the difference in the world running <any video game>.
>>339249450
Literally won. Bravo
>>339259946
what the fuck are you talking about? by all accounts all games shown were DX11 or vulkan(DOOM), no DX12 in sight....
>>339261738
Data mining and AI cares so little about fp64 that the new hot thing is to use fp16. At least meme something sensible.
>>339261223
Even if that were true, you're basically saying "My god they're still using and perfecting a 3 year old architecture. Why the fuck aren't they creating a new one... it's been 3 fucking years!"
>>339261414
Typical.
Read your own fucking marketing slide you retarded shill.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>1080
>posts GP 100
>>339261445
>no way that nvidia will make cards that can implement async in hardware two generations from now.
By your logic a 390 card is a better investment for another two and a half years than the shittery 980 card.
Because they got shittier Async, DX12 and Vulkan support compare to AMD card from 5 years ago.
>>339242832
>literally need to upgrade every year
Yeah, a console would be good for you
>>339261726
No such thing as speculated
It's $379, Nvidia said this the day they launched the GTX 1080 on May 6th
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070
>>339261503
>trust
It isn't about trust you dumb faggot, just wait and see if it's true or not, no trust required. Are you one of those idiots who pre-ordered that founders edition shite for the 1080 or something?
>>339261772
No, neither the psu nor the GPU would fit, and even if they did, it would fry the entire computer instead of running anything.
>>339261525
Yes, but you'll notice I originally said they're worth 1/2 of what they were now. The article from last year said 1/4 of what they were. So even then. I'm still fucking right because right now with the Stock being what is is, they're worth 1/2 what they were.
>>339261738
That idiot won't even get your sarcasm since he doesn't even understand what GP100 is.
>>339261720
>Vulkan is a continuation of Mantle 1.0, the "foundation" of Vulkan is made up of parts of Mantle.
>Vulkan was previously known as glNext or OpenGL Next Gen
>DirectX 12 is a massive overhaul of DX11, but still only supports Windows
>Vulkan supports Windows, Linux, and OSX
Beside the OS involvement, there only little to nothing diferences betwen Vulkan and DX12, both was made from Mantle API.
But, go on. keep being an ignorant.
>>339243198
>paying for windows
>>339261918
But that's what I'm saying. You guys, and them keep saying "just wait" You've been saying it for YEARS. When.... when is this magical card or whatever AMD is going to do going to happen. Because they and everyone keep saying change is coming, and the only change I see, is AMD lying about their products, and their market share dropping.
>>339262060
Both were developed based on mantle. That doesn't mean they're the same thing, for one considering Vulkan isn't W10 locked.
>>339241585
This message was sponsored by nVidia (TM): The Way It's Meant to be Played.
>>339262060
Found the inbred
>>339261775
RotTR was DX12.
>>339261929
>Not opening the top
problem solved, the top comes off hilariously easy too
>>339262162
This gen, AMD has completely buttdestroyed nvidia. The 7xxx gen, same shit. Nice try nvidiot.
>>339261909
>its gonna cost like 500€
Fuck me famalam. Looks like I will be getting 970
>>339262306
Doesn't solve shit. It's clear you have no clue how itx cases work.
>>339261878
Except there will not be any games on dx12 for another 2 years anyway.
>>339258940
Do you actually update every gen?
Thread devolved into a giant flame-war where even the PC fanatics and the Console fanatics have managed to sneak in.
>>339262309
lol no it didn't. Like at all. Their Fury X that was supposed to compare with the 980ti, barely beat out the 970 and at the same price as the 980ti and had to come with a watercooler because they had to OC the shit out of it just to try and compete with nVidia.
nVidia is releasing their older arc, just shrinking the size and improving it a little, and still kicking the shit out of AMD.
And que the "on paper it is better" excuse.
>>339262216
>, for one considering Vulkan isn't W10 locked.
This is the only thing that people can said about what make Vulkan isn't DX12.
In all base, Vulkan is literally DX12 in how they act as a low level API.
>>339262428
Nah, im sitting pretty on a 980 ti, in 2 years when dx12/vulcan is actually relevant it will be time to think about upgrading again.
>>339249310
What website is this?
>>339261140
>So you're counting free to play games? Because consoles have those as well.
And PC has way more. If you're trying to discuss cheap, paid services with "free games", how about Origin Access? It's $5 per mo., or $30/y. There are games subscription services for all platforms. That doesn't make PS+ games "free".
>For $300, with the cost of Windows, you cannot build a computer that is a more compelling purchase to most people than a console.
Than an Xbox One? I probably could. As stated, Windows is free with the infinite rearm exploit (it's just deleting a file). Again, though, $300 doesn't include online, and PC has vastly cheaper vidya.
>>339258296
>AMD's GPU department has lost money for 3 years in a row
Seriously? What the fuck, they have excellent mid-tier cards for a while now. That's terrible.
>>339262445
Really a "nVidia is crap" topic turned into a flame war. Fuck me, who would have thought that would happen.
>>339262374
It's clear you've never worked on a school or library's computer before, fitting a GPU in there isn't hard at all when you take out obsolete shit in there, and with the top off you wouldn't have cooling issues anywhere near as much, it'd be fine honestly.
>>339262420
>source : my ass
>>339260037
Now tell me list of new games that will come out in 2017-2018 that only run in DX11 exclusively.
>>339262486
If Vulkan is actually comparable to DX12, then I'll be going with that. Fuck Windows and locking DX. I'm not upgrading from Win 7 to their spyware.
>>339262660
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Ati vs Nividia is like VHS vs betamax now. You got one standard that the industry has started making their products for, and another that has people crying about how its unfair that their company lost the battle with a inferior product that lack basic features.
>>339262480
OK shill
>>339262564
I got a feeling it will happen sooner, because compare to Directx 11, Vulkan and 12 are literally on different level.
>>339262660
Taking the side of the case off.
Ever improving temps.
I guess if you are going fanless.
>>339262821
video cards aren't two different standards you dumb fuck. You really cannot compare it like that.
>updating your drivers
lel
no one to blame but yourself there bucko.
Sucks for AMD though, but
>AMD
Not even meming, they've just traditionally been less functional for a similar price as nvidia cards. I'm not denying the tessellation bullshit. Crysis 2 and 3 prove it did it. But still. It's not as big of a deal, and it's usually only during launch month for hyped up titles, then quietly patched out, or even modded out.
>>339262679
How about you list all the actual (not ported from dx11) games that are coming out in 2016.
>>339262645
http://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-are-losing-quite-a-lot-of-money-197-million-net-loss-for-q3-2015
Another reason I won't buy AMD. Never buy from a company that keeps losing money. They might struggle through, but I don't want a card that will get no driver support if the company goes belly up. Oh wait it's AMD, they already don't get driver support.
>>339242950
>for 350
You won't find that by definition, since a PC isn't a dedicated video games system.
For 350 bucks, you're buying much more things software wise than a PS4 which only plays video games.
That's the thing with a vidya PC, you can just buy a GPU for the shitty PC you've already got, and it's going to be way cheaper in the long run than buying new consoles each time.
>>339262916
Then why do ati cards lack basic rendering methods that make games run like shit? Game makers make their games to be run properly, and running properly means not on a ati card.
>>339262821
Not really accurate. Sure nVidia has stuff like Hairworks that really fucks with AMD cards, but to be fair, Hairworks fucks with nVidia cards as well.
>>339261726
if you check the benchmarks and price ratio of the 980 Vs 970 price to performance, compared to the 1070 Vs 1080, the 1070 is a bad investment unfortunetly :( see how the 1060 fares, and what the comparison is to AMD, never buy into hype, always wait a couple weeks or so and go with whatever is the best price to performance ratio.
>>339261620
>people can said about what make Vulkan isn't DX12.
Well the fact the fact that Vulkan wants to be free and open source graphic api is makes it completely different from DX12 by fundamental design.
>>339262958
How is that even relevant? Nvidia latest card was not even out from shipment until this June.
Do you ditch Nvidia latest GPU just because the new games also still support Directx9.
How about you list all games that confirmed will be not in DX12 in the next 2 years just like you said you goalpost mover shitter. :^)
>>339262593
I never said PS+ games were free, only that you need to include the cost of buying them on PC to make a 1:1 comparison.
Also fuck off with your TEMPORARY exploit. You can only do that until the free Windows 10 upgrade period expires. If you build a PC after that, you won't be able to get Windows for free. It's also an exploit. We should be sticking to 100% legal and official ways of acquiring things here.
And game prices depend on a lot of things. Steam sales have been getting less good recently imo. Stores like Amazon often do have sales for console games that rival PC prices as well. And your $300 PC doesn't include a monitor, or the games that come with GwG. You keep pretending you're making a 1:1 comparison, but you're not. You reek of R eddit's pseudo intellectual superiority complex. If PCs were obviously such a better deal than consoles, consoles wouldn't be so popular.
>>339262918
Meanwhile in real life, the AMD card that performs as well as the corresponding nvidia card is typically around $200 less.
>>339263051
No, most people can't just buy a GPU. This isn't the 90s anymore, everybody has laptops now.
Also consoles have expanded to much more than just video games. They've been marketed as media center devices for a while now because they have a lot of multimedia features.
Still waiting for a list of games coming out this year on dx12/vulcan (that are not ported from dx11)
>>339263282
Buying games on PC.
Although PC games do tend to be $10 cheaper on PC for multiplats. And then you have the unbelievable Steam sales. You also don't have to pay for a service.
>>339261838
The age is showing, the shrink and clock boost means any TDP lead Nvidia had in the last 2 cycles, is more or less lost, these GPUs go upto 80C + , while AMD have gone for the lower TDP route,,
lol it's surreal, they were a laughing stock to a degree in the 2XX days, when the 290 had a 90C operating temp, with loud as fuck blowers
Worth mentioning Nvidia have invested in ultra quiet fans on their "founders"/reference card, so high-er than average temps, but not loud which is where it counts
>>339257695
>A friend just bought 980 last December.
>This happen
kek, told him to wait or bought a 390x instead.
Serves him right for not listening.
Fucking brand loyalist retard.
>>339263515
know why you won't ever see that list?
because windows 10 is a monumental fail.
>>339263515
Still waiting any games that will not be on DX12 in the next 12 years.
>>339263580
And yet nVidia hasn't released a card that HAS to come with a watercooler to compete with an AMD card.
>>339263515
>>339263258
Scare? :^)
>>339263580
>Worth mentioning Nvidia have invested in ultra quiet fans on their "founders"/reference card, so high-er than average temps, but not loud which is where it counts
Lolno
the card throttles down at stock so you have to run the fan at 80%+ which sounds like every other reference jet turbine.
>>339240645
>I paid much much less for a bone and I play halo fine at 60 fps.
Oh really, and does Xbone allow you to actually see the numbers on the framerates, or is it just your 29 FPS eyes telling you it's 60 FPS because uncle Microsoft said so?
>>339241585
10 cents were deposited into your account.
>>339263521
>Although PC games do tend to be $10 cheaper on PC for multiplats.
You're kidding right?
If you buy from gmg or gameplanet 60 buck games can be anywhere from 37-40 dollars on new releases
>>339263608
I just realized that. Giving it away for free, they only got a 15% market share.
All 45% of the Win 7 Market Share could have gotten it for free, but chose not to.
That's not good. I'd have switched over to Win 10 if it wasn't glorified spyware.
>>339263521
Last summer during the Xbox summer sale a lot of games were the same price as they were during the steam sale closest to that time. You can also get console games for pretty cheap used. You also have the benefit of being able to buy discs, I only have a 15mbps down internet speed, so 40+ gb games take a fucking long time to download and I'd rather just get a disc. PC games have by and large abandoned discs at this point.
Somehow I get the feeling you haven't owned a console in a long time.
>>339263942
Even if you want to use Vulkan you still need to upgrade to a 1080 if you used Nvidia to get its true power.
>>339241971
>installing gameworks with amd card
Gameworks is not something you install you fucking moron, its the api with wich you develope the game.
>>339258040
>t. buttmad reviewer who didn't get a card after hanging up the call after hearing the price on the nano
So, Polartis is coming soon, but it's not actually top of the line AMD GPU's, that'll happen when Vega is out, correct?
>>339262279
was it? my bad, can't say i remembered lol, i remember Paragon and DOOM getting specifically, and they actually talked up Vulkan performance etc, but even if they showed RoTTR they didn't mention DX12 much if at all?
Ahh k, yep just double checked, RoTTR is DX11 and DX12 was added via a patch... so it's definitely not a worthy example of a DX12 game
>>339263878
Look up digital foundries analysis of Halo 5. It very rarely drops below 60fps.
>>339241971
Look at this goy.
>>339263983
Have a wii-U for the family games. But other than that PC all the way. Not going to waste money on a console when I have a good rig for gaming.
There's been only one elusive in the last 5 years that I've had any interest in watching (Last of Us).
And the console sales do not compare to Steam sales.
>>339264152
because it drops the resolution to compensate
>>339264094
I've got a 980ti. Not upgrading anytime soon.
>>339263258
>>339263828
How is it relevant? You shitters have been masturbating furiously over the idea that dx12 will finally make your amd cards perform slightly better than Nvidia. Except the performance gains are only actually significant on games designed for dx12 from the ground up. So like i keep saying, in 2 years when people are actually releasing native dx12 games, nvidia will have implemented async on their latest hardware, and amd will be left in the dust again.
>>339264143
>so it's definitely not a worthy example of a DX12 game
DX12 was not like DX11.
DX12 is a major overhouldin the low level API to utilize stable CPU core performance and reduce drawback between GPU and CPU.
Any games that got ported to DX12 or Vulkan is still worth of example, because unlike Tessellation that killed your GPU and CPU performance.
DX12 and Vulkan actually boosted your performance.
>>339251381
He makes perfect sense mate, quit memeing like a nvidia fanboy
>>339264370
>are only actually significant on games designed for dx12 from the ground up.
Jesus fuck you are so ignorant.
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT DIRECT 12 IS?
>>339263282
>w-where is monitor though?!
>TV never gets mentioned when pricing consoles
>you should not pirate software for your PC to save money, I can't do that so it's not fair!
Consoletards
>>339264265
>talks about the experience on console
>doesn't own one
Go back to r eddit. You are clearly not the target market for consoles and think the fact that they're not a good deal *for you* means they're not appealing *to anyone*.
>>339264519
keep backpedaling
>>339264294
>accuse that guy of being a Microsoft shill and implying the game doesn't run at 60fps
>HURRR WELL IT DOES RUN AT 60FPS BUT THIS THING NOBODY MADE A CLAIM ABOUT EARLIER DURR
Just came here to say that laissez faire fags need to die in a fire, that is all.
>>339262916
are you retarded? lacking features? hardware features? because uhm no, and you can run games on both,
also the only true lack of feature, is in software, or in AMDs favour currently asynch which is hardware.
but performance and architectural differences arent 'a lack of features'
Also since when did like 10-20% performance at 40+% price difference, mean one killing the other one, you do understand how the market works? the prices and models are generally staggered, so you get for what you paid for at every tier by and large. the whole war in general is dumb as fuck.
The only true thing is enthusiast level cards that barely anyone buys, (prices in australian) oh look the $1200card is 20% better than the $700 card, the maker of the $700 card suck dick!!!! <this is basically what fanboyism breaks down to
>>339264730
keep being uninformed.
No wonder you know nothing about what I'm talking about, you know jack shit.
>he thinks Directx12(or Vulkan) mean new engine.
"if you look at Crysis 2 in particular, you see that they’re tessellating water that’s not visible to millions of triangles every frame, and they’re tessellating blocks of concrete – essentially large rectangular objects – and generating millions of triangles per frame which are useless."
http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/amd-slams-tragic-nvidia-gameworks-it-even-typically-damages-the-performance-on-nvidia-hardware/036660
>>339241971
>installing gameworks
Why do you try to contribute when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?
>>339264539
As I said earlier, most people have a tv if they don't own a console. People who don't own a desktop PC don't typically own monitors either. People who buy consoles think, "well I already have a TV, the console is only $300 while a mid range PC + a monitor which I would need to buy is around $700-$800, I'll just go with the console". Until PC gamers realize this, their cost comparisons will always only apply to a small subset of the market.
>>339265049
Nothing stops you from using the TV as your monitor.
>>339263282
>Also fuck off with your TEMPORARY exploit. You can only do that until the free Windows 10 upgrade period expires.
That "exploit" has nothing to do with Win10. Pls stop posting. It is completely legal, as it's just resetting the trial on Win7.
>$300 PC doesn't include a monitor
Nor consoles a TV. Pls stop shitposting.
>>339265226
Not to mention the PC has bigger range of utility than a TV.
>>339243460
I don't even know anyone who has bought an OS since XP.
>>339265226
Yes, there actually are factors stopping you from doing that. Using a controller with a PC adds another $50 to the price tag ($377 +$50 is more expensive than $300 or $350), and using a mouse and keyboard on a couch is something most people want to avoid.
>>339243904
>A decent TV-screen costs less than this
k
>>339262965
you are aware they just signed a long term multiple Billion dollar deal with the chinese government to provide server CPUs and die specs or some shit? like 300M a year if they go up in the next 5+ years it'll require a fucking black hole opening above their HQ
I don't know about GPU but. Intel finally released a consumer grade CPU with $1100 price tag.This is the future that you choose.
>>339265263
Pretty sure you're breaking the contract in the terms and conditions when you started the trial by restarting it after you've used it. As for the TV part, see >>339265049
I'm talking about the cost of entry for most people, not the actual total cost. Console gamers buy consoles because they only have to spend $300, unbox the device, plug it in, and they're set to go. PC gamers usually spend $700-$800 for a midrange set up once all is said and done, and they have to build it themselves and deal with driver bullshit from Nvidia and AMD and a whole host of things that can go wrong because the PC is not a closed system like consoles are.
>>339265795
Oh, and if it's just Windows 7, you're locking yourself out of all the Windows 10 exclusive games. I'd prefer to not use Windows 10 because muh freedumbs, consoles allow me to play those Windows 10 exclusive multiplats without installing Windows 10 on my computer. Checkmate, atheists.
>>339265049
if you play games as a serious hobby you should have a monitor already
>>339257445
see >>339252258 moron shill
>>339266136
Try open the 300 series tab
>>339264347
yeah don't listen to that guy, Vulkan is backwards compatible, you'll be set for another 2-3 years AT LEAST with that GPU, also you can potentially see devs making games that can use cross gen cards in a multi-GPU-mode, like SLI but without the mirror (it will use each independantly as instructed, and have ALL it's VRAM available)
it is THEORETICALLY possible for a 3rd party tool to exist that can essentially make a fake driver that tells games your GPUs are a single GPU, something that is literally impossible on DX11 and earlier and OpenGL
>>339265404
>contollers cost $50
Where the hell are you buying controllers from?
I just bought and xbone controller for $25
>>339266358
r9 295x is not a 300 series card yuroshit
>>339266370
Not if Nvidia driver said otherwise. >>339257695
>>339266104
The whole point of this argument is that I'm saying PCs are not better than consoles at the $300 price point. I have already admitted that PC gaming is superior once you move past that price point. So are you finally admitting that for a lot of people, a console is a more convenient option at $300-$350?
Because that's how it was for me. For a lot of years, I did not have a monitor or even a desk. I had to buy both of those when I bought a PC. I'm at almost a $1,000 spent so far for my very mid range set up. It is better than owning just a console, but I'm tired of the circlejerking from le PC master race crowd about how everyone that doesn't get a toaster over a console is a retard and all that.
>>339266471
That's how much the Steam controller costs. I figured that's the most fair one to use because it has the most game compatibility since it can be mapped to a mouse and keyboard for games that dont support controllers.
>nvidia laptop gets higher fps than 2 amd cards
>it's nvidias fault amd are shit
el oh el
>>339266551
The original post was not replying to that post you retard.
>>339257445
>>339251626
>>AMD doens't support newer OpenGL
>Latest OpenGL is 4.5
>300 series is the latest AMD gpu that support OpenGL 4.5
HURRR
>>339262916
haha oops accidentally linked my last reply to you, and not the dumb fuck you linked to, my bad, that wasn't aimed at you ;)
>>339264152
it also looks like shit for an AAA shooter
>>339263052
below was aimed at you
>>339264931
>>339266776
the original post was replying to OP, who cited some AMD using retard complaining his r9 295 runs opengl 4.3
retarded /v/ermin trash
>>339266874
>Well it actually is 60fps BUT LOOK AT THIS POINT THAT NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEFORE
>>339265404
Jesus, have you ever used a computer before?
ya'll niggers that keep citing AMDs financials, are you all fucking retarded? you do realize even fucking Youtube is still at an operating loss, don't see you fuckers comparing it to Vimeo and screaming how youtube is already dead.
you understand how corporations work right? how tax subsidies and tax losses work? RIGHT???????
>>339240259
It is shady as fuck
But non of the game i buy or care about have done this shady deal with nvidia
Like valve would never do this
>>339266601
Yea and a mcdonalds burger is cheaper than a 3 course steak dinner. Saying cheaper is better is fucking stupid.
>>339243570
He literally posted a PC that shits on the ps4 for similar price. Are you really that uneducated about PC specs? Why do these kinds of people insist on being a part of the argument?
>>339267215
>you understand how corporations work right? how tax subsidies and tax losses work? RIGHT???????
Have you read half the shit in this thread? You would be lucky
>>339267293
That's completely irrelevant to the conversation we just had. It was about the $300-$350 price point ONLY.
>>339267402
Finish reading the thread before you respond to me next time. Other people made the same points and we've been arguing for a long time now, no reason to start the exact same conversation again.
>>339264996
Bbbbut why would nvidia gimp itself
>>339266561
true dat, but it shouldn't effect vulkan as much (because the driver is low overhead, and per game optimization is probably going to be extremely minimal)
they can only really continue to do that through gameworks, which is how they're doing it now? and modding could theoretically fix that if it gets too bad?
>>339245068
the "the way its meant to be played" splash screen being added was pure coincidence
>>339240259
>Le ebin meme of Nvidia gimping older cards
>Screeching retards can literally never produce any definitive proof of this actually being the case
>>339240645
/thread
Can't wait for Xbox One Two.
>>339247337
welp not getting a 1080 now
>>339245145
>planned obsolescence
this is the future you chose
>>339240645
Halo 5 really isn't a game you should be using to praise the Xbone's capabilities. Fucking <30 FPS enemies if they're not close to you.
>>339268068
>Xbox One Two
Get Down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2ZY2loo74
>>339267403
haha yeah, i can see that now, whole bunch of dumbasses talking about shit they don't understand in the technical and financial spectrum o_O
>>339245337
>Microsoft
>not trying to forever make a ton of money by nickeling and diming customers
They have made Word a SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE because they know they can. You're a fucking retard. Coke often has stricter rental agreements and does charge a tiny bit more (when 1.5L got introduced, they were carring 1.25 and charging 7 cents more on average than competition's 1.5)
You know how they got big? Being in the right place at the right time and being AGGRESSIVE about it. None of the companies you listed practiced nice business practices out of sheer goodwill. They are only kept in check because when they fuck up, other companies start to gain market share.
>>339251053
You mean just like lying about card specs and hoping nobody would notice?
>>339244282
My 2-3 year old laptop gtx 780m has gddr5 memory and it's fine as it is.
>>339242832
/thread
>>339267907
look what happened to Kepler with FO4 1.3 patch. :(
it's not really sabotage, but Nvidia sure quits giving a fuck about adding optimization for new shaders to old architectures.
>>339243084
This is why I'm thinking of getting a steam machine that runs Windows. Great for older games and emulation.
>>339265768
What?Source?
>>339264596
The only way a console is a good deal is if you're too dumb to stick cables into slots.
>>339270403
depends on your definition of older game, i've been running everything from DX6 to DX9 suprinsingly well on WINE(linux (not steamOS but WINE is WINE), shit i couldn't get to work on winXP or win7
>>339244094
Could Arma 3 run on a 750ti with 8gbs of ram and on an i3 processor?
>>339244571
There's only a handful of games with decent mods and these games can run on a toaster.
>>339264347
>>everyone
https://youtu.be/myDYnofz_JE holy shit.... the 1080 can get fucked
>>339247528
>shadows
So building a $1000 PC for shadows is master race?
>>339244694
>This shit
Man, Nvidia is the fucking devil. Anti-trust lawsuits when?
So what is the concensus?
Nvidia is better for top end cards and reliable day 1 driver support and AMD is good for long term driver optimization and price/performance ratio?
>>339275589
Nvidia doesn't have good day-1 driver support. They have a deal with developers to artificially cripple performance across their older cards as well as AMD cards, i.e. basically the opposite.
>>339275589
Nvidia is neither of what you said.
Amd is not like that either.
Things change all the time so do your research.
>>339247587
>but I ponder if ATi was still ATi how it would have gone.
ATI was consistently competing with and outperforming Nvidia in the high-end market before AMD purchased them. TWIMTBP program didn't actually result in ATI cards getting fucked over.
They know their market. Gaming cards cater to kids. They realize kids don't have the capacity to think critically and make rational decision, because kids rely on their parents for their purchases.
>>339261502
I had a 9800 pro, was my first computer too
good days
>>339247587
Yeah, those damn APUs are insane for the price and power consumption. For a daily driver computer with regular media and low-end gaming consumption it really smokes any of Intel's offerings in that arena.
>>339260726
DX12 is shit thought i hope they just get all game to Open gl so we don't have to get W10 and so on
>>339240259
what are you gonna do about it littl ebitch? buy less of nvidia's cards? of courseyou won't do that, we have the best around as well as the best influence on the pc market.
>>339278202
>we have
they have*
>>339278036
>are insane for the price
Yep
>and power consumption
...no. Intel is still better in that regards. More effective architecture and smaller manufacturing process make a difference.
But overall I agree, the APUs are great daily drivers, I build a few office computers with them and no one complained.
>>339241737
But anon, we don't buy a new graphics card every year. That would be pretty retarded.
>>339278202
t.shill
>>339249240
How much is doom going for on steam?
AMD cards age like good wine. Nvidia cards age like cow dung left under the sun. Nvidia knows that they have a monopoly and that their main concurrents now is their last gen cards. They will make everything in their power to make their last gen cards look bad compared to their new cards.
>>339241831
A lot of games have water under the level, and crysis just happened to have really complex water.
>>339244907
>>339242134
>>339242116
Nvidia defense force at work, everybody!
>>339278036
Also because of their APU plans and a general disinterest in the mobile market they sold ATis mobile platform GPU architecture to qualcomm, aka the adreno(which is radeon jumbled) and it is worth exponentially more now and has like the one of the biggest mobile marketshare lol
The new APUs have a reasonable performance increase and they are AM4 socket (same as ZEN, older ones are like FM2, opens up interesting upgrade paths on a budget)
been checking all the ZEN info, rumor has it it's gonna be the equivalent to a i7 5960X O: intel have been kicking AMDs arse since Phenom II x6 (HOLY SHIT i just checked the 5960X is a fucking $1500 CPU here)
so a 1070, 980ti if prices drop, or the new amd gpu similary priced?
>>339280223
Isn't the guy who's charge of the ZEN stuff the same guy who was in charge of the athlon days?
nvidia are the antithesis of freedom.
only dumb fucks who buy apple, support google or "upgrade" to win10 actually use their products, but good luck trying to convince said idiots to stop being idiots.
>>339280350
YEP!
Who gives a shit about performance that much? Pc elitist and graphic whores, qte enthousiasm and people who have an ego problem. Fuck your rigs, its because of shit people like you that game mechanics and design got replace with empty sandbox and lineair games that never punish you for anything.
>>339280350
You mean the chip architect?
The guy that went to tesla in the past?
They brought him and many others back, seems like AMD is banking everything they have right now
>>339280350
he actually left last year
>>339250902
Lol
>>339280335
yeah I'd say wait for the 980ti to price drop, just been seeing non-synthetic non pussyfooting benchmarks, the reference oh sorry "founder's edition" cards are actually lame as fuck compared to last gen 3rd party OC cards.
also the 1080 and 1070 are not 'actually' available, it's a paper launch, the cards will be available in months time...
So if you are getting it asap, either wait for some awesome factory 10XX overclocked models to hit, at a better price, or go for a 980ti, or yeah keep your eyes open for the new AMD offerings, if leaks are to be believed, shit's gonna get crazy
>>339243460
>don't even mention shitty linux meme OS with 5 games
You can play most popular steam games on linux just fine, even the ones without native support work through wine.
Linux has gamez now, oddly enough.
>>339242832
>If AMD doesn't deliver this year I'm going to switch to the PS4 neo
You realize the PS4 neo is still going to be using an AMD CPU just like how the PS4 is right now? You can't get away from AMD this generation.
>>339256982
>you're going to have to buy some sort of accessory to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch
wat?
I'm using my PC with my TV right now just fine, no "accessory" needed, works fine.
>>339281383
yeah insanely fast too, 2012 15, 2013 like 150+ now 2016 like what, lemme check, 2304
>>339242832
>>literally need to upgrade every year
My 670 has ran every game on Max until about this year.
Still can run most games in the high settings.
Except Hitman which is all on low.
AMD buyers remorse thread?
AMD buyers remorse thread!
You poorfags are the worse.
>>339281642
and AMD GCN GPU SoC core
>tfw you want to support AMD but they have shit cards
>tfw you don't want to support Nvidia but they have the better product
What is there to do?
Just spread the word to buy AMD, even if we buy Nvidia products?
>>339283091
>What is there to do?
Buy AMD stocks.
>>339283091
I have a sapphire amd nitro R9 380, pretty happy with it, wont upgrade it for another few years.
>>339283042
just say AMD GPU, too many acronyms lol
>>339283091
Thank you sir pajeet. 5 rupees in deposit account for you sir!
>>339283239
DELETE THIS
>>339283239
only in us
>>339283239
hahahaha that /h/ Hentai tab ;)
