I've been a pretty big fan of Total War games throughout the years, but don't really give a shit/know any of the Warhammer lore.
Is this worth 60 bucks for me?
Warhammer fanservice aside, are the mechanics better than Atila? Does it play/look better?
>>339120952
seen a few WEBMs, game looks pretty good and plays like TW.
I dont think you really need to know the lore to get into it, but then again I dont have the game yet either.
Main complaints are that the balance is off right now. Orcs seem weak as fuck and Chaos seems overpowered, this is just what Ive observed from discussion/videos/webms.
>>339121087
Thanks for contributing, but you didn't really answer any of the questions.
>>339120952
the battles are completely different now, you don't have the CK2 lite politics system from attila. On the other hand you have race specific campaign mechanics
>>339121269
only you know what is worth 60 bucks to you and what isn't.
Personally, I wouldn't buy it before at least a couple patches.
>>339121432
why?
the game doesn't have any performance issues and the mods are coming out
Third Age is still the best fantasy TW game 2bh
>>339120952
Watered down TW:Attila. CA's designers need to all be put to death.
It's good.
If you're a fan of Total War you'll like it.
The mechanics are basically the same as Attila with some simplified things but the introduction of magic, monsters, heroes and more interesting faction specific mechanics makes up for most of its flaws.
>>339120952
$48 at Greenman
It's pretty good, honestly. The balance does need work, but the game plays and runs well. Better than any release TWs in years
>>339120952
It's an excellent Total War game, what makes this unique is the power of your generals and special units.
Every faction has a vast number of unique units and specific mechanics regarding their campains.
Do you play the battles yourself OP?
>>339121996
t. ParadoxPlaza member
If you aren't a warhammer fan then maybe. If you don't like unit formations and abilities like forming a spear wall removed then no, just go play shogun 2.
>>339122634
I never realized what the big deal about pressing a button to get your troops into formation was.
>>339120952
The last TW game I played was modded Medieval 2 and this seems way too fucking fast.
I'm playing on hard and the battles are pretty much done the second we get into melee.
It's like every unit has the health of a tissue paper. They die immediately or break as if they're french.
Even "monstrous" units bite the dust in seconds. Maybe I should've played on harder difficulty.
I get the nagging feeling I've paid money for a worse version of Call of Warhammer mod.
>>339120952
Chaos bad. Elves are dicks. Bretonnia sucks. Dwarves are alright. Hail Sigmar.
Fuck no, it's a very mediocre Total War game and is only good if you like Warhammer. Removed so many features and mechanics it hurts. Very streamlined and basic. Graphics are also noticeably worse the Shogun 2, Rome 2, and Attila. Wait for a sale if you aren't
>>339120952
It's worth it but you can buy it for 40$ anon. It's kind of dumb down from Attila, like the politics and stuff, but the combat is great. Runs amazing too
>>339125030
*Aren't a fan of Warhammer
It's pretty good OP
Decently difficult
>>339120952
It has been worth 60 bucks for me, yes. So on that basis I conclude that it would also be worth 60 bucks for you!
>>339124693
does your game crash?
>>339125030
no it isn't
>>339120952
Warhammer has a nice way of having literally any part of it be a good entry point.
I never played the fantasy warhammer board game only 40k but used to play Shadow of the horned rat on PS1 still up to this day. Just seeing the same world map was enough familiarity for me.
Do we know how long we'll have to wait until I can play Lizardmen?
>tfw your main race has never been in any WH video games other than bloodbawl
All I want is to drive the unworthy races from the lands and protect the temple cities of Lustria. Marching down those who would dare defile the sacred sites of the Old Ones on the Slanns blessings.
>>339120952
Ive had fun with it. Worth it if you get it cheaper from one of those key sites like green man gaming id say.
Runs decently after they did the hotfix. Still has the same shitty ai wait times between turns like rome 2 did.
Battles are quicker and theres more of them. Sieges have been streamlined and i think its an improvement. less fucking about. Quests are meh, lord customization is big but its mostly random unlocks. Lords are op. dunno if theyll change that
Graphics arent the best. Looks a bit washed out and bland.
The main difference is the play style of each faction and how they interact with others play style. But vanilla campaign locks you to certain areas so you wont face the full variety much. theres already mods for that but i dont like map painting simulation anyways.
Itll be really fun when we have more races but its a bit bare at the moment for my liking.
>>339128480
the AI turn times work perfectly for me
>>339121087
in the span of half an hour now ive read that chaos,dorfs and empire are op
orcs are just hard to play due to fightiness but getting 20 stacks for free is a source for pain
>>339124693
Your unit size is probably set to very small.
>>339122535
He's right though about it being watered down. That's not to say it's easier but it is simpler.
>>339120952
If you're purely a warhammer fantasy fan and played a bit of the total war series then go get it.
If you're purely a totalwar fan and just want to play another expansion then its kinda dissapointing.
I'm both so I found good middleground
Cons
>fewer factions to play as
>no same race coop
Pros
>better diplomacy indicator
>war targets actually work now
>different factions = completely diverse units
>special single unit with light rpg element
(Pros or con for you)
>limited but diverse tech tree
>>339121087
> and Chaos seems overpowered
Sounds about right?
>>339130645
There's been a mod since launch which splits legendary lords between factions, making you able to do same race bro-op.
s'good
>>339126865
Hopefully they're first on the DLC train but in all likelyhood its gonna be High Elves cause seriously a Warhammer with no elves thats ludicrous
>>339130732
Is it in the steamworkshop? If so then I'm gonna look for it later.
Thanks, friend.
>>339122634
They removed fucking spear formations?
Doesn't the Empire use pike and halberd blocks? Bretonnia too, with pikes?
>denuvo
>>339129389
Each turn end im reduced to 1fps and it takes about 10 seconds for all the factions to get their moves done. Gets worse the more factions ive met.
Might just be my shitty pc but its a small thing that annoys me with all 4x like civ,total war and endless legend
Better mechanics unless for some reason you love sieges.
You don't need TW lore to enjoy the game. But it is recommended.
>>339130896
its part of the base unit's stance now
>>339130896
they do it by default
i hated having abilities on units, it makes much more sense for your general to be the one to give buffs to people
>>339131054
Okay, that's way more acceptable.
>>339131104
EB1 did the same thing with it's hoplites and no one complained
>>339130974
you clearly never played attila then because even on turn 1 it takes like 20-25 seconds to finish cycling through the factions
>>339131083
I hated the magical abilities, but formations are a bit different. I'm glad that they exist still, but in the default stance.
>>339130845
Yup.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=689956899&searchtext=
>>339121816
runs like shit for me
>>339131803
Pc specs and settinngs? Runs fine on my i5 4th gen and 970.
>>339132101
running on just one 970 at the moment(has no sli support) and a i5 6600k,16gb of ram, and on a ssd. runs at 35-50 fps on ultra. Strange considering the game looks far worse than previous ones.
soooo, how long for a crack?
>>339120952
Yes, its kind of like Attila except more fun.
Balance is pretty decent despite that the factions are so drastically different; you just have to know a factions strengths and play to them - they're pretty diverse from one another. Some people feel the balance is off, but its there I just think they're doing it wrong. Some factions like Vampire counts have really low morale but make up for it in the Fear they instill to cause routing and the healing/unit spamming abilities they get. They're pretty OP, even, with some of the best units. Orcs are similar in this, since they spawn fullstacks every now and again and also have some great units.
It also looks pretty good, environments look great, castles look amazing, and performance is exceptional.
>>339130001
The only things missing are diplomacy, family trees, and sewers. I don't know why people would simultaneously complain about these things not being in a warhammer game and then mod out agents.
>>339122138
This. Always check for discounts/coupon codes. Not trying to shill, but Greenman almost always has a store-wide coupon code.
Total Warhammer is amazing, imho, and I've never delved into Warhammer until this game. Been playing Total War since the first game.
>muh coupons
Just get a russian VPN and buy a russian key for 30 bucks
>>339132893
You can just get an offline activation for 2$.
It's a fucking basic TW game. It's made no mechanical improvements on prior entires, in fact it's gone backwards (yet again, thanks CA)
>No unit abilities like fire arrows or formations at all
>Only abilities in the game are on heroes and leaders
>A whopping 2 default formations (archers front or infantry front)
>Can't adjust tax levels besides on/off
>No town battles
I haven't been in water much and haven't had a sea battle yet so I don't know what that's like, but judging by the rest of the game it's probably missing past features too.
The only new mechanic the game has is the different race mechanic for each race, but it doesn't justify scraping the other shit in my opinion.
I felt some regret in the first few hours of play, but I'm a Warhammer fag so I've stuck with it and it's a pretty good Warhammer game, just a step backwards for TW.
>>339120952
>according to the shills on /v/ who don't play it = yes
>according to fansites like totalwarcenter it isn't
So take your pick...
>>339133025
>No town battles
that's a bad thing??? They were always broken.
>>339133025
>haven't had a sea battle yet
I thought there wasn't sea battles at all?
>>339133025
They made improvements everywhere it matters, in AI and campaign dynamic.
Fire arrows aren't necessary
Preset formations aren't needed, you can save your own(and always should)
Town battles would be nice since they are one of the best parts of Attila now that the AI isn't shit. Sieges have always been dog shit however, and still are; so that much hasn't changed aside from that its harder to sit with the game on 4x speed as your archers kill everything.
>>339133025
There are no naval battles, it's just auto-resolve like the old ones. I fully agree with your post though. Cool game for all the Warhammer stuff but a pretty terrible Total War game that is stripped of far too many great features and mechanics. Ugly as shit too.
>>339133118
>totalwarcenter
That place is full of autists. As in actual, literal autists who have a fucking fit when some sandals aren't modelled properly or a roof in a town isn't quite how it should be and declare the entire game shit because of it.
Their opinions about Total War mean as much as the average /v/ shitposter's to me; that is to say nothing at all.
The TW games stopped being good after Medieval 2.
>>339132548
>implying Denuvo won't be cracked
If it's man made it can be cracked
>>339133343
>Less is good
They're logical, if a roughly even force face off, the ones who are hunkered down in a town should be at an advantage.
>>339133442
>you can save your own(and always should)
Do you mean save my formation so that I can bring it up at the start of every battle or just the formation lock? Because having to re-arrange my army in every single deployment is very tedious.
>>339133554
Medieval 2 sucked. Literally every Total War game that came after it are better.
>>339133570
>more is good
They're dull. Plug up the chokepoints and hit fast forward. Making them field battles instead is a much welcomed change.
>>339133570
>Because having to re-arrange my army in every single deployment is very tedious.
Did you ever not do this in the previous ones? I prefer no formations at all and tuning than the retarded shit they put in Shogun 2. Your lines will pretty much be consistent with sword front/bow front and making adjustments to it from there. That's all it really needs since it takes not even 20 seconds to set your line the way that is best for the enemies formation.
>>339133565
Just because it's possible doesn't mean it is feasible.
To remove unit abilities in a game world where that is one of their most distinguishing features is pretty stupid
>>339121087
>Orcs seem weak as fuck
They are weak when you compare unit-by-unit, but they are OP as fuck with the free waaagh stacks.
>>339133720
Town battles are really good in Attila aside from the map where you're on a hill enclosed with bow ledges 360 degrees and 2 entrances.
That map is dumber than any siege.
>>339133720
>being this bad at Total War that you praise dumbed down strategy and a lack of variety caused by CA's laziness
>>339133919
I wouldn't say its dumbed down.
There's no strategy at all in Shogun 2 since the AI is so easily exploited.
>>339133775
In Shogun 2 there was always a formation that was close to what I wanted and then I'd just have to rearrange two or three units. In this I have to rearrange half my army.
I don't know how you can call actual at least somewhat logical formations from Shogun 2 retarded and then say that having the game plop your shit down in the order they appear on the unit bar is "all you need", sounds like bias.
>>339133919
What strategy has been dumbed down? What variety do impossible to maneuver in corridor battles bring to the table?
>>339133897
Town battles are fucking broken in Attila. You can easily route 2 stacks with a garrison force.
>>339133874
WAAAGH stacks are useless. They always get wiped out so damn easily by the Dwarves, who are so outrageously overpowered in every regard that it just makes the Ork units look and feel so much weaker than they really are. I don't know how the devs thought this was an acceptable level of balance.
>>339133025
>No town battles
You only get town battle if said town gets walls at level 3. Otherwise you fight in an open field with town in background.
>>339134159
Orcs are fine.
git gud
>>339134048
>In Shogun 2 there was always a formation that was close to what I wanted and then I'd just have to rearrange two or three units.
I don't feel any different here, the only things I'm moving are pikemen.
And even then in Shogun you're doing the same exact formations, ranged or melee at the front. There's no need to complicate this with retarded monkey fist nonsense martial arts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0gDsL247e8
>>339134169
That's a castle/siege battle.
TW used to have 4 types of battles, now it has 2 for no good reason and people vehemently defend it.
>>339134273
It's been optimized.
Pic related, someone who thinks more is better.
>>339134269
So your gripe with them is the name of the formations, they're objectively superior in every way compared to, "Here's your units senpai, straight fresh just like they are in the unit bar" and you're acting like it's an improvement.
>>339134273
Have you ever considered they cut out the trash? Naval battles are terrible in TW too.
>>339134353
Optimization doesn't remove entire functions, it makes them faster. The word you're looking for in this situation is streamlined.
>>339134419
they'll add naval battles with the elves and dark elves 'episode'
>>339134419
git gud
Is there a crash course in Warhammer lore that has been set up to bring people new to the series up to speed? I'm kind of surprised there wasn't something like that in the game guide. If there is, I haven't seen it. Only very shallow explanations.
Really good game though. Shogun 2-tier smooth launch.Chaos is best faction.
>>339134273
>for no good reason
Because autists like youself kept whining that there are too many sieges.
Naval battles will come in one of the expansions. No point in them now when the map is 95% land.
>>339134419
Say that to my broadside and not online, faggot.
>>339134383
>they're objectively superior
I don't get it. The only 2 formations of value that I ever used were the same ones I'm using here in Warhammer, then you do a couple of adjustments and set a custom formation.
The game looks pretty bad. Maybe it's nostalgia but it barely looks better, if it does at all, than Shogun 2. The graphics are very washed out and units are difficult to tell apart, not that it matters since the only formation or unit tactic is now blob. When I booted the campaign up I actually thought that it had turned down the graphics and I was shocked to realize that the game was running on Ultra.
For the most part it just feels kinda bland. The voice acting is pretty sub par, although my Warhammer/40k bar was set of DoW which would be pretty fucking hard to beat, and the soundtrack is mostly generic fantasy ambiance that is so forgettable that you forget the game even has music. 90% of it is warhorns. The game feels much more simplified and streamlined and, my biggest issue, is that there is no impact during battles. Charges, monstrous units, hero units, anything. Its the same couple of attack animations played over and over that for the most part the individual enemy unit doesn't even react to it. Even missile units feel like they have zero impact which sucks because watching the results from firing lines or arrow volleys in Shogun 2 and Napoleon was one of my favorite parts of battles. I really don't understand how unit interactions in combat have decreased so much in the span of two games.
Maybe it'll get better with dlc but for now unless you've got a real hard on for Warhammer as a TW fan I'd say it isn't worth the buy in.
>>339134569
Yeah autists like me who are complaining about the removal of battle types complained about a battle type which is still in the game being in prior games.
We've got some flawless logic right here.
>>339134419
They were fun in Empire and Rome 2 system with amphibious assaults was fucking amazing at times. Although ship-to-ship combat was a joke.
the game itself might be shit but Mark of Chaos still has best intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_jI8lmQivA
>>339134584
>I don't get it.
It's the autists screaming "muh historical realism".
S2 had all those cool formations with poetic names, too bad almost none of them were ever used.
>>339134419
You do realize naval battles are coming back as DLC or in one of the expansions right? Naval combat is a big part of Warhammer and Total War, and has always been fun and popular. You must just suck at it.
>>339134584
Shogun 2 let me set up a formation with my spear men covering my flanks if the enemy has cavalry and I'd only have to adjust a couple infantry positions. Every deployment would take about 10 seconds. Which is superior to units just being thrown onto the field and having to perform the infantry shuffle to get half of your spearmen from their orgy on one side to both sides. The prior is superior to the latter in an objective way, there's no room for argument, the only excuse the latter has for existing is if it was before the prior system was made, but it's the exact opposite, that's why it's an issue, an objective step backwards.
>>339134612
This.
>>339132101
I've got an i5 processor and a 750 xti with 8 gigs ram.
The only issue I had was when I alt tabbed during the loading screen and it crashed. Other than that, I've had no problems at all.
![6a0bc6b5999f5fcf88f0638e89df2914[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J1kfJR8.jpg "6a0bc6b5999f5fcf88f0638e89df2914[1]")
>>339134569
>Because autists like youself kept whining that there are too many sieges.
>Our small farm village has a 8 years worth of grain stored in the event of a siege and an endless supply of clean water
They were not wrong. Total war bills its self as a historically accurate game, yet most campaigns you find yourself fighting assloads of siege battles, and maybe 1-2 pitched battles.
Historically, that shit never happened. But in a fantasy setting its fine to have most battles be an epic siege like in the movies.
They needed to fix this by drastically lowering the surrender time, and the impact of losing towns. Not removing besieging towns entirely.
>>339134808
>Naval combat is a big part of Warhammer
Lol, no it isnt.
I wish I had the money to buy this. ;_;
>>339134935
>Lol, no it isnt.
>t. someone talking out of his ass
>>339134935
Sure thing bud :^)
>>339134612
>missile units feel like they have zero impact
Solid meme.
>>339134808
I doubt naval battles are coming back. They sucked, nobody played them, and they are a tremendous undertaking. Adding them to Warhammer with all 16+ factions is like making Battlefleet Gothic with 4 times the content ON TOP of your standard Total War.
>>339120952
It's kind of total war for beginners. It's fun if you're a fan of warhammer and new to the series or have always been bad at the series. I'm enjoying it for what it is but I do hope patches at least make the battles more reliant on tactics rather than unit size
>>339135026
Great, now try again as the other race and see what happens.
>>339135071
>TW
>tactics
>hammer and anvil till you win
>>339133025
>No unit abilities like fire arrows or formations at all
Is it real? Like no abilities at all?
>>339135026
Yeah, I don't know what that guy is talking about. Any missile unit with AP attack slays everything. Those axe-throwing marauder horsemen are fucking beasts.
>>339130812
>>339126865
Hopefully we will need to wait 2 or 4 years to play as Lizardmen since I dont want them to be dlc and have aztec dinosaur themed collectors edition with the 2nd or 3rd game.They can even put a dinosaur dildo and ill buy it.
>>339134935
elves live on an island
>>339135156
orcs aren't about arrow fire you idiot
>>339135210
Yup. No wedge for cavalry. No pike or shield walls. The only units that have abilities are generals, and that's just magic shit.
>>339135210
>Is it real?
yes
>>339134935
>>339134998
>>339135019
http://store.steampowered.com/app/344240/
This was my first TW game. I quite enjoy it even tho gong totally blind. Ive learn a lot from mistakes and had to restart twice, my own fault.
Only tried empire.
My major complaint are the fucking annoying heroes walking around freely 1shotting any lords. Theres a mpd to disable it but i rather play it out.
Quite happy to have goten it
>>339135156
>try other races
Other races have less emphasis on ranged, dumbass. Naturally their ranged units make less of an impact.
It's the best TW since Medieval 2, even better than Shogun 2 or Attila, so yes I would heartily recommend it, even in its vanilla state (though there are some neat mods out there already).
>>339135254
>This race built to be good at thing, is good at thing.
>That means thing works for all races and everyone should use it.
Solid logic friendo.
>>339134898
>the impact of losing towns. Not removing besieging towns entirely.
The impact of losing towns is higher since there's no walls and you cant just make the enemy moshpit down one alleyway.
>>339134998
Nobody did this, there's no significance of naval battles to Warhammer.
>>339135358
Uh whoops, wrong picture I guess.
Aren't Dorfs weak as fuck to cavalry?
>>339135343
>>339135343
>Other races have less emphasis on ranged, dumbass. Naturally their ranged units make less of an impact.
Well dumbass, maybe that's why people are saying there ranged units are useless.
>really want to buy this
>worried that I'll be bored within a few hours because I played other total wars so much
>>339122634
Yeah what the fuck is up with that? Where are all the formations? Wasn't that an essential part of both TOTAL WAR and Warhammer?
>>339135475
Wait til it goes on sale in a few months.
I got all the total wars for $15 thanks to humble bundle.
>>339135456
>Well dumbass, maybe that's why people are saying there ranged units are useless.
They really aren't though. Are you saying that every faction should have copy paste units like Shogun 2 or something?
>>339135456
>makes a broad claim all ranged are uselss
>gets proven wrong
>proceeds to move goalposts "BUT I MEANT OTHER RACES"
Maybe you should really go back to plebbit with your arguing skills.
>>339135452
ranged cavalry is annoying without a good amount of ranged units
>>339135452
They're supposed to be, but despite having none of their own or any spears, they hold out against it just like everything else you throw at them. I sent multiple cavalry units against a single Thunderer unit once and it broke all of them. Broken as fuck faction, anyone who says different are using them and don't want a much needed balance patch to fix it.
>>339135592
No I'm saying ranged units are useless for some races. That's it. Your reading all this other stuff that's not there.
>>339135452
Early on - yes.
Late game - the get Charge Defence from everything plus a shitton of arties and shooties.
>>339135625
>makes a broad claim all ranged are useful
>gets proven wrong
>proceeds to move goalposts "BUT I MEANT OTHER RACES"
Oh look, heres the original post to prove it.
>>339135026
>>339120952
>$200 USD collector's edition
I get them every once in a while if there's a soundtrack or something I'd use more than one, but holy fuck that is too much
>>339135679
Dwarves have some pretty OP units but so does everybody else.
Vampires get a dragon and Empire gets a tank. Dwarves aren't special in any sense of strength but they are special in that they don't have to deal with ANYTHING and have the easiest campaign to win.
I bet people could beat Dorf campaign in around 60 turns if I did it first time in 100.
>>339135702
>for some races
And here's the original post with broad claims >>339134612
>>339135397
>Nobody did this
Except it was such a massive hit they made a 1:1 40k re-skin of the game called Battlefleet Gothic.
Seriously, faggot, High Elves alone are all about navy.
>>339121902
Call of Warhammer was good but scripted as fuck.
>>339132648
>The only things missing are diplomacy
So is it order vs disorder or just a FFA?
How does co-op multiplayer work (or doesn't it exist)
>>339135931
>High Elves alone
And that's why naval warfare will come when 2nd expansion introduces high/dark elves lizards and the vast seas.
>>339135839
Name one dwarf unit that isn't in armor, and the only time a unit doesn't have a shield is when they're wielding a great weapon, compare this to the races which are around them, vampires and orcs, and they're blatantly OP easy mode.
>>339134539
For the current races in the game or as a whole?
>>339136098
Diplomacy is in the game. I dont know what the fuck that guy is talking about.
>>339135931
Here's the 5th Ed rulebook.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/217214077/Warhammer-5th-Edition-Rulebook
They don't even have naval ships in there.
Nice try though. Nobody likes naval battles in TW and nobody cares about naval battles in Warhammer.
>>339136098
Same format as any other Total War, free for all but you can make alliances with other factions. Co-op campaign does exist.
>>339135913
I just wanted to start an argument.
I don't even own the game.
Thanks for arguing with me.
>>339135370
Archer skellies and crossbow skellies when?
What makes up strength rating? It seems completely arbitrary to me, I conquer three provinces, have three armies and push another faction into their last one little town after slaughtering their last army and their strength rating is still 25 while mine is fucking 6.
>>339136193
There are less diplomatic options like trading regions, royal marriages, shit that doesn't matter for Warhammer
>>339132273
nobody is cracking it so never ever.
pirate groups already stop trying quite a while back
>>339136571
>doesn't want Karl to have qt 10ft ork gf.
>>339136417
>I'm a rocket maaaaaann
>>339120952
Dont buy it, pirate it better. I tell you why:
I have played TW games since the first Medieval. This game looks really watered down. Sometimes i feel like I need to do something more, a little more of micromanagement and such, but there isnt any of these options which feels weird tbqh.
New race mechanics are nice, is like every race plays different and this is new in the series. I like it. The addition of magic is also nice, but at some point I always forgets about it, I think it isnt important at all. The rest of the game seems incomplete, it is going to be a DLC fest, and you are going to throw much money on it to get the completed game and this is unacceptable.
My recommendation is, if you want a good TW game try Medieval 2+Kingdoms, only with this you have fuckton of hours of gameplay. You also has really nice mods, the best for fantasy is The Third Age, is balanced, stable... Also there is Rome TW which is still awesome, but with outdated graphics.
If you are a TW fan and wants to try this new game, pirate it, wait for the dlcs, patches and such, and buy all in some cheap compilation. Unless you are going to play online ofc.
>>339136651
>pirate it
>>339136183
Vampires can spawn guys out of their ass and get varghulfs and dragons dude. The main thing easy about Dwarves is geography, they aren't really OP they just get the best real estate.
>>339136651
>pirate it
What rock have you been living under? Can't be pirated, it has Denuvo.
>>339136651
>I have played TW games since the first Medieval
Stopped reading here. Medieval fanboys are insufferable autistic cunts with retarded opinions every time.
You can't even pirate it btw
>>339136183
>what is armor piercing
Does CA have a good track record of balancing factions in post launch patches?
>>339136183
Their units also cost a lot more than Vampires and Orcs. They are balanced because their power is offset by their high cost.
>>339136651
>try Medieval 2
Nice bait, here's your (you)
>>339136571
>trading regions
Not an option for how many TW titles already? Why even mention it at this point?
>>339136708
Yeah they can spawn units out their ass, to the same cap of 20 like every one else, and units which are weak as piss.
they have slayers to directly counter monster enemies like Varghulfs and their crossbowmen with armor piercing and huge range deal with dragons pretty well.
And that's all just ignoring the fact that their entire list of units is covered in armor and shields while still doing equivalent damage, completely unlike their neighbors.
>>339136498
Are you retarded?
If you're 6 - there are 5 factions stronger than you.
>>339136917
And their high cost is offset by their naturally high resources and all the technology buffs to their income.
I've never had a higher income than I've had with dwarfs and while still maintaining the same army strength. The only way to get money faster than dwarfs is to play Chaos well.
>>339136796
>medieval fans
I played ALL TW, and my favorite is Rome, but the best for now is Medieval 2.
>>339136704
>>339136708
I didnt knew it... Too bad. Anyways wasn't DA: Inquisition cracked or someshit like that?
>>339136651
>Medieval 2: so good nobody talks or gives a fuck about it until autistic nerds see people enjoying a new total war
I started with Shogun 1 and I want M2 fags to die off already. Don't even come into TW threads, you don't like TW, you just like shit with middle ages themes.
>>339136923
newfag
>>339136934
Slayers are expensive as fuck and get shredded in seconds by anything that isn't a monster. They aren't even a reliable flanking unit. Quarrelers don't deal armor piercing missile damage, Thunderers do, but Thunderers have less range and can't arc their shots over allies in front of them.
>>339136926
I wonder why you can't demand territory in order to agree to peace in any TW games...
>>339134159
I've just completely wiped out the dwarves in one go after spawning two waaaghs at once.
They're unstoppable if you play them right, just never stop steamrolling.
>>339136926
It's in Attila
>>339136980
I might be.
>>339137013
pretty much this
>>339137109
I wish. Then I could have had nice borders with my brother Roman faction that got its shit pushed in and never recolonized. Too bad it isn't and hasn't been for several games now.
>>339137102
You can but it's not that good, you have to be allied and have them sitting next to it and obv. they will never give you things.
>>339137107
To wipe them out, do you just need to take out their capital or every single place they control? I've just about had it with their shit and I want them gone fast. Taking out all their stuff will spread me too thin and bog me down.
>>339137082
>Slayers are expensive as fuck
Varghulfs are expensive as fuck, and I've already covered how dwarves don't need to give a single fuck about income.
How do I abandon a settlement?
>>339137204
See, >>339137217
Works alright for Co Op games otherwise you'll never use it.
Already completed the campaign, have no intention of replaying. The way the AI constantly pulled stacks of chaos vikings out its ass without any economy was really grating.
Does anyone else feel that the attrition from vampire corruption is insane?
>>339120952
>60 bucks
are americans still stupid enough to buy from steam?
>orc campaign on very hard
Fuck everything, fuck everything right in the ass
>>339137228
You need to take out all their shit, even their wandering lords.
But once you've taken out most of their holds and divided their provinces it's pretty much over, everyone will start harassing the fuck out of them.
>>339137314
Its not done well thats for sure.
Having a Priest of Sigma (or the equivalent of any other army) should negate the negative damage to your army.
>>339137351
I know this frustration anon. It's exhausting.
I don't regret getting it and I'll get 60 bucks back out of it so it's technically worth.
It depends on how much 60 bucks it worth to you I guess, anon.
Also all the people I see crying about this game I rarely see an actual critique, it's usually people crying because they're bad or don't understand something.
One legit complaint I've seen is the Agents. But it doesn't bother me.
>play as dorfs
>fuck up vamp shits
>everyone else now my military ally
>chaos never stood a chance.
>>339137013
Medieval 2 is the best in the series even if you are too faggot to not accept it.
Medieval 2, Rome and Shogun 2 are the best games, the rest is mediocre (Atila) to shit (Rome 2).
>>339137312
Honestly, every recent Total War game does that.
>AI chaos traveling across half the world, ignoring every other faction they're at war with to sack the one town you have that doesn't have walls
>Chaos stacks constantly placing themselves just out of reach of your nearest army
>Meanwhile vampires repeatedly give me 5000 per turn to break a trade agreement with a human settlement which I can just re enable next turn
Unsurprisingly the AI in this game is stupid. It's either inhumanly calculating or just plain retarded.
>>339137438
Orcs are really the most underpowered faction from a campaign perspective
You are not an economic powerhouse like Empire/Dwarfs, and you are not a good raiding faction like Chaos. You only get 1 good thing which is your ability to summon a Waaagh! but the fucker will die eventually anyway, and then you have to wait multiple turns for the cooldown to fuck off before you can even get another. Add in the fact you get absolutely fuck all for income you are stuck on a single force for ages.
My orc campaign has been nothing but
>Make 20 stack
>go fighting
>get a Waaagh!
>take a lot of land
>lose Waaagh!
>lose all the land
>rinse and repeat
>>339137456
So go make an M2 thread, nobody cares or wants to tolerate that AI anymore
>mfw it's 26$ in SEA
I play as Vamps (Heinrich Kemmler) and I always got fucked by Templehof straight into rectum.
What I do wrong?
Am I the only one bothered by the sieges in the game?
To they have been dumbed down is an understatement. By citing down sieges to one, sometimes two, walls you're left with not even half as many tactical options.
Aside from my gripe about there only really being one front to a siege, I don't really like how units just spawn on the walls when moved from the ground and vise versa, and I don't like how units pull ladders out of their asses in order to climb the wall.
All and all I think this was either of case of CA being lazy as fuck and not fixing existing issue with sieges in TW games in general, or it was the result of being pushed to release by publishers. The former is more likely, not that the latter didn't play it's part.
>>339137456
Medieval 2 is garbage. Its setting is its only redeeming quality.
To anyone who wants to play TW games for the first time, come to /twg/ in /vg/. Ignore these casual faggots saying Medieval 2 is bad.
>>339137660I think they are the best sieges TW has ever had outside of Shogun, and I hope they stay the same for all future TW games.
>>339137636
>SEA
I've always been buying from russia so far, is there somewhere I can get it cheaper?
>>339137717
And I hope you die of butthole cancer you cunt.
>>339137456
Literally every game that came after Medieval 2 is significantly better, not even taking my bias toward Empire and Napoleon as the best games into account, they all dramatically improved on that game in every way. It's dated and archaic as fuck. It isn't even close.
>>339137660
They simplified them to make the AI handle them better, because sieges have always been complete shit in TW.
I see what they were going for, but now they're just a different kind of shit.
>>339137692
What bizarro /twg/ do you go to? They shit all over Medieval 2 regularly as well as the totalwarcenter autists who worship it.
>>339137781Im sorry you have bad taste in sieges
>>339137597
Git gud then, honestly. I have about 5 full stacks and even had the Chaos incursion thing happen early because I took so much land. Currently in the process of recruiting black orcs for my generals and getting some doom divers
>>339137456
>Rome2 is shit
One of the dankest twg memes.
>>339137842
>he says, playing on easy difficulty
No scrub, you git gud.
>>339137456
Btw I forget the Empire game, which is also very good.
>>339137803
We all love M2, we just shit on it because there's a handful of turboautist incapable of having a conversation about anything but M2, and chimp the fuck out when you try to discuss any other game in the series.
Now they took refuge in /v/ and shitpost Warhammer threads for simplifying campaign map mechanics nobody liked.
>>339120952
Campaign map is a bit simplified compared to Attila, but the battles are much more in depth. Probably just as hard if not harder than Attila overall.
>>339137864
That meme has almost died out in /twg/ desu.
>>339137717
As much as I'm tempted to just shit post and call you a retard, I'm actually curious as to why you think this.
Is it because there is less options and less to manage or consider?
Is it because of the more focused nature of having a single wall to attack?
>>339136651
The Third Age- does this mod suffer from the same fucktarded diplo as Med II?
>>339137878
No i'm not. Just because you suck doesn't mean that people that do well have to be playing on easy, perhaps you really are just playing badly.
What are you even doing with your towns? do you even protect them properly, do you even have multiple armies? Do you dedicate one/two provinces to your military needs or do you just spam whatever
>>339137917
This.
>>339137660
The severe casualization of the sieges is a disgusting shame. Aside from the shit graphics, removal of town battles and naval/beach landing battles, and general lack of content, that's by far the biggest and worst disappointment in this game. The AI works better on them, but they're so small and simplistic that it would be a wonder if they didn't. Very unfortunate change.
Really liking the game, first TW game I've played and didn't realise there was a strategic aspect to it in single player. I know it's relatively simple in this game, but is there a game that is totally focused on the empire building, more in depth, without the tactical real time battles?
>>339137802
So basically what you're saying is that it's CA being lazy? Instead of fixing the problem they try and get rid of it all together and just create another problem.
>MEET YOUR DOOM
Started the Empire campaign, jesus its a pain in the ass. Never had a faction have a technology lock based on fucking buildings. Also Gelt found that wand that recharges the magic pool so its UBERLOAT as much as possible
>>339133549
This.
Also, they probably hate the game solely because its fantasy.
>>339138058
Grand Strategy Games
>>339137782
>not even taking my bias toward Empire and Napoleon as the best games into account,
I also think medieval 2 is way overrated, but how is Empire in any way good?
It got the same problems as Medieval 2 and Rome 2 release. That game disappointed me more than fucking Spore.
>>339138129
Historyfag salt is real. I like it just the same but I love this game as well, it's a good and fun setting
>>339137939
Not him, but I like that walls actually have a purpose now and forgoing them to hide your units in the narrow chokepoints of the streets is no longer the most viable strategy.
I like that the bombardment phase has been negated by towers and that offensive sieges are now a daunting challenge instead of a boring battle that is easily cheesed with ranged superiority.
>>339138058
Crusader Kings 2
Civ V
Endless Legend
Endless Space
Stellaris
Europa Universalis 4
>>339138214
This. It's also generally harder to cheese large AI stacks with a smaller garrison.
>>339137997
>Aside from the shit graphics
objectively the best looking TW to date
>naval/beach landing battles
they were utter shit in R2/Attila, but i'd rather them improve them than remove them.
>and general lack of content
nigga what. TW has never had this much diversity and thought put into each faction.
>The AI works better on them, but they're so small and simplistic that it would be a wonder if they didn't. Very unfortunate change.
100% agree. I'd rather have shit AI in a real city battle than passable AI on a single wall.
Are you guys implying that it wasn't Rome 1 that was the only good game CA ever made?
>>339137939
>Is it because there is less options and less to manage or consider?
>Is it because of the more focused nature of having a single wall to attack?
I dont agree with either of these. You never attacked from all angles in any other TW game, you would just focus on two points at most, which is what makes sense and works best, you really didnt need a full city because there was always one or two bits of walls that were better than the rest that everyone would attack from.
The unit diversity completely changes how sieges work, so there is a lot more to do on that front. It isnt just pike wall + archers on chokepoints.
Sieges are an all or nothing affair. The moment you attack you have to go balls deep with your ram/towers, artillery and units (which also makes the fights feel more chaotic and fun). You cant sit back and just whittle the whole thing down. If you do want that feeling of siege a town and damaging it before fighting, you have agents to do that.
There is more but thats all I can be bothered to say right now
>>339138162
Any recommendations? EU4 looks interesting but stupidly expensive for everything, and still expensive for a three year old game.
Should I play on easy if I suck or will normal not kick my ass to oblivion mercilessly? Also what should I do as the Vampire Counts?
>>339137969
>WAH DONT CALL ME OUT ON BEING A SRUB, U A SCRUB
Okay baby
>>339138259
Awesome, thanks.
>>339137939
Probably because the game doesn't let you complete them with 0 casualties which was the norm for every TW game ~Rome2.
I still don't really like sieges though and I'm not him.
>>339137917
Well said.
>>339138076
>So basically what you're saying is that it's CA being lazy?
I'm sure that plays some part, but there's really no way anyone could make a good AI in siege battles. They went for simpler sieges so they AI can handle them, but it's just a different kind of bad now.
>>339137656
Git fucking gud.You picked the wrong starting leader
>>339138354
Vampires are the easiest faction by far, go hard or very hard.
>>339138183
Empire and Rome 2 both got completely fixed after a couple of months, you know that right? Stop living under a rock, both are great. Empire is my favorite because of the setting. Best battles and strategy, best period, best uniforms, best ships, best campaign map.
>>339138356
>Call me out on being a scrub
Right, because "you called me out and say you're doing well so you must play on easy, SCRUB" totally makes it true.
Jesus christ kid. Enjoy your shitposting career on /v/ I suppose
>>339138312
EU4 is the call of duty of grand strategy games. It's the point at which Paradox went to shit to "appeal to a wider audience"
Crusader Kings 2 has a unique spin on GS. Instead of directly controlling an empire, you are a king who controls vassals. It's about managing relationships between characters. Piss of your vassals and they might rebel against you
Pro tip: Buy the base game, pirate the DLC, check out /gsg/ on /vg/
>>339138462
>getting this upset someone called you out on your bullshit
You enjoy that easy modo kiddo
>>339138058
>without the tactical real time battles?
>Crusader Kings 2
Everything you said, but also Game of Thrones level diplomacy.
>Civ V
A classic turn based empire building game.
>Endless Legend
Civ 5 but with better gameplay and in a SciFi-Fantasy setting. (For a lot of people, that last part is a turn off)
>Europa Universalis 4
I want Crusader Kings 2 with game of thrones and more nation building stuff.
>>339138354
If this is your first TW I probably wouldn't play VC first. Their playstyle is very aggressive and depends completely on throwing away expendable units to tie up the enemy and take map control.
Try out Dwarves, they have a balanced army, are basically the wall of china when they line, and have really fun late game units to play around with.
>>339138492
>want Crusader Kings 2 with game of thrones
*without
>>339138354
Varghulf only army.
>>339138312
EU4 is entry
Ck2 was good but only playable with the first 4 big DLC's everything after Sons of Abraham is pure shit ( not even kidding )
Heart of Iron 2 lis very confusing at the first time and 6 hours later but many people get enlightment and want to play as Hitler everytime after
Victoria 2 is the main game discussed in the Grand Strategy game on /vg/ and like every otzher gsg game a shitton of mods
>>339138417
>Empire got completly fixed
Most of the fixes was aimed at crashes and bluescreen shit. The shitty unit responsiveness, bad diplo ai, and the especially bad battle ai(AI units almost just all did they own seperate things in battle) never got fixed.
>Empire is my favorite because of the setting
So nothing to do with the technical stuff then, well that makes sense. People love Medieval 2 for the same reason.
I really want to play this game but after 50 turns this just evolves into "chase this chaos faggot" and if you start to chase him another chaos army just razes every single thing he can get his hands on
This and formations are my only complaints
Also give us a bigger map for gods sake
>/v/irgins getting their panties in a wad because they took out the bloated and annoying political system and concentrated more on combat
It really shows how autistic these fucks are when they want to drop a game because their cant marry off their whore of an npc daughter or fuck about with the political mini game. In my opinion this is a step forward and removes the old annoying bullshit from the total war series. It always annoyed the shit out of me when I wanted an alliance to beat back the Gauls or what have you and it wouldnt go through because my bumbfuck senators didnt like sardines or some other moronic shit. In this game its about survival, so the other factions know whats up when they are getting your asses pounded with you and send an offer for a military alliance. You want to micro manage royal families and what color brick your sewer system is? Fuck off and play Europa
>>339138638
Use the ambush stance and a solo general bait. Just mouseover terrain to see the chance of ambush.
Works every time
>>339138638
There's dozens of mods that change Chaos up on the workshop
>>339138289
>Best looking Total War to date
u wot
This game is ugly as shit. They very noticeably toned down the graphics from Shogun 2, Rome 2, and Attila to make it more playable on a wider variety of PC's and to stabilize performance. It worked, but still. Not even attacking the game by saying that, it's just the truth. Just compare them side by side on max settings and you'll see it.
>>339138693
Bad bait is bad
>>339135232
curious, why are the lizards so popular?
>>339138693
You're a retarded fag
>>339138693
Yeah those lame squares they call "castles" in Shogun 2 sure look better than the architecture in Warhammer.
>>339138693
>>339138823
They have a really neat design. Aztec Lizardmen who ride dinosaurs.
>>339138467
EU 4 is a still a good game though, it's a good introduction to Paradox and still too complicated for most people.
>>339138823
They aren't
Like the 4 autisms who actually play them shitpost in every thread
>>339138823
>giant ancient lizard Aztecs riding dinosaurs with clubs that eat faces
>>339138871
That's on fucking low you lying, shitposting faggot. Come the fuck on.
>>339120952
>tfw going away for a long time with only my laptop
Is there ANY possibility this will run on a laptop with nVidia 4200m Optimus?
>>339138949
I don't think so.
>>339138925
>implying
>>339139053
Thanks doc.
>>339139053
>>339138871
Played this a week ago while getting hype for Warhammer, can confirm this faggot is baiting on low or medium settings. Game still looks great on ultra and nothing like that. Nice try.
>>339138925
>calls people shitposting faggots
>claims shogun 2 with its lame looking castles looks better than warhammer
http://imgur.com/a/tqRxp
>>339139046
o-ok, thank you anon.
>>339139184
>implying
>>339139269
But that looks fucking terrible, muddy and washed out as hell. You aren't helping your pointless cause (why lie about this? We're all playing and see for ourselves) and I know that's maxed out or very close to it because my game looks the same as that.
>>339138595
I like the way you think.
>>339139553
If that and the screens attached look "fucking terrible" but this shit looks fantastic to you then I'm sorry but your opinion is worth less than shit my friend.
>>339139675
>lowest settings.jpg
>>339139463
This looks like fucking garbage, anon
>>339139816
Oh shit, no wonder you think S2 still looks good, you play at 419
![24567TW%20SHOGUN%202%20FotS%20Announcement%2002-noscale[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yDgpMUT.jpg "24567TW%20SHOGUN%202%20FotS%20Announcement%2002-noscale[1]")
>>339139675
>Knows he lost
>googles "shogun 2 lowest graphics"
>tries to use that to prove hes right
>>339139675
Who do you really think you're kidding with this? That is nowhere near even high settings, let alone maxed out. I play regularly, I can max out every Total War game so I know what they all look like quite well. And that isn't what Shogun 2 looks like on good quality settings. And I know you know that too. Or are you a poorfag playing on sub-720 on low and you actually think that passes for running these games? Either way, you're pathetic.
Am I remembering wrong or did we used to be able to initiate combat in marching mode at a cost? Because i don't seem to remember having such a difficult time catching armies in TW games. There's fuck all to increase your map movement range besides the one skill that every AI leader gets anyway, so when an orc squad is in your territory raiding your shit you can't do a single thing about it, you move the same distance so you just endlessly chase them forever or if you try to cut them off in march then they just backpedal and you still can't catch them, it's absurd.
>people actually think MTW looks better than TWW
>MTW, with its fuzzy as fuck campaign map and dough boy soldiers
>No calvary impact
>No troop impact
>>339139816
>>339139940
>>339140007
Its so funny this faggot keeps rambling on but hasn't actually made any comparisons where Shogun 2 looks anything close to decent.
>>339140017
Use another smaller army to pin. Orcs are highly mobile
>>339140017
I'm having this same problem except as Orks against Dwarfs. They just run away and juke around me and seems like they're one inch out of reach all the time. It's irritating as fuck.
>>339139940
You realize you're posting a promotional shot, right?
You realize all the images posted have been on ultra, right?
Here's another one, running on ultra, with the link I pulled it from with more ultra screens, which all look like trash compared to Warhammer. inb4 you dismiss the link and continue to shitpost ignorantly
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424245&page=5
I really hope you're just baiting, regardless I'm out senpai.
>>339140098
Our fault for arguing with a retard. You will believe what you want in the face of overwhelming evidence so have fun with that.
>>339140098
The top image is Shogun 2 and it looks astoundingly better than the bottom which is Warhammer. Get your eyes checked anon, holy hell.
>>339140229
>neogaf
K bye, never return.
>>339137917
Funny, because I just recommended Medieval 2 kingdoms to new TW gamers, was the others chimping out because I just mentioned it.
How does one spec Grimgor for maximum value?
Orcs are the only faction I struggle to get used to.
>>339140286
>"You will believe what you want in the face of overwhelming evidence"
>Says this with 2 screenshots laid right on top of the other where TWW clearly is the better looking game
>>339140348
>Liking Weeabo Total War over WAAUUGGHH
Pleb taste of a weak man. I refunded Shogun 2 after 7 hours of play due to a bland map, bland game play, and bland units. They were so fucking lazy that they made it so castles are climbable? And you honestly defend that shit? Their armies were so boring and same faced that you just chose the best starting point and won that way. Game was shit, and so are you.
>>339140286
>>339140348
Please stop samefagging and shitposting.
>>339140540
Just turn him into a melee super soldier and have fun with your unkillable lore accurate warboss
>>339140348
Shogun 2 is a good game, but it looks like shit compared to the newer TW games, get over it.
I'm not defending CA (They've been downhill since Medieval 1) but it's sort of silly to expect them to keep all of the features of previous games. It isn't so much about effort requirement s to have them but about the sheer fuckery that would come if you could have everything that a normal TW game has. I'm surprised the balance and AI isn't totally fucked as it is, witht the new setting, you've got to give them some slack with not having totally imported everything from the previous games
>>339140592
You can also climb walls in Warhammer but the problem with Shogun 2 beyond its castles all being the same boring looking shit that it doesn't look like anyone lives in is the fact that every siege can be done without any losses because the AI is so retarded.
>>339138108
By turn 20 I had everyone begging me for Military Alliances.
Turn 77 now and I am allied with all Dwarves, Brets and remaining Empire that didn't Confederate.
Greenskins are getting busy while we wreck the last of the Vamps.
Chaos comes full force by turn 110. So don't have too long to get ready.
>>339140748
NO. I WANT TO MARRY MY DWARFVEN THANE TO THE EMPIRE FOR A +2% CHANCE OF AN ALLIANCE
>>339140579
>>339140592
>>339140641
>>339140727
sent
>>339140789
Nigga they use ladders and siege towers while your own wall towers pound their dicks. Shogun 2 was like a pack of roaches assaulting a cheezit box. In TWW you can see fucking buildings and taverns and shit.
>>339124693
Get radious mod it fixes that
>spend all my resources and turns dicksucking some dwarves as the vampire cunts so they'll be friendly so that I won't have to worry about dorf armies coming to fuck me up from behind
>turns out what I spent all this time befriending was a separate dwarf settlement, not the entire dwarf faction
I'm tempted to just restart at this point.
>>339134998
>>339135019
>someone talking out of his ass
>posts a pic of a game that did so terribly GW pulled it from shelves and discontinued it in less than a year as if that somehow proves the other poster wrong
>>339140982
Dont be a little bitch, strive on
>>339124693
just get a mod that increases unit health across the board and slows down movement speed. I think there's one on the workshop called "Proper Battles"
So far it's put the battles on a speed more akin to Rome 1 but not as slow as Medieval. And one advantage it certainly has over Medieval is that the cavalry actually packs a good punch and can maneuver properly.
>>339140967
Can you use it mid campaign, and does it actually work properly without breaking too much shit?
>Never played a Total War game
>Turn 162 as Empire
>Kholek, Archaeon, Sigvald and Change all attack at once
>I've united almost the entire Empire
>Send all my armies in
>Get decimated in waves
>So many armies constantly attacking them
>One turn Kholek decides to Siege one of my heavy garrisoned forts
>The other 3 split to attack different armies
>I manage to beat them all with sheer numbers
Man I suck ass at these games and I'm sure you could do it way more effectively but there's something special about uniting all the provinces to take down the big evil and only just pulling through.
I love this game.
>>339141028
Why do dorfs hate vampires so much though? -40 fucking relations just for existing.
>>339141191
If you like the TW gameplay check out Attila when you're done with Warhammer, senpai.
It's really satisfying to fight back the horsefucking Huns with your Barbarian NATO
>>339141191
Empire is the hardest but best faction to play in the game. That shit feels so good.
>>339133919
>dumbed down strategy
The word you're looking for is tactics, and no TW has ever had anymore than the most basic of it. Face it sperg, Total War is a casual series and sits comfortably on the lowest tier of "strategy" in the genre. The campaign exists to create unique situations for the player and the battles exist to create a cinematic presentation of those situations. There is little more to it and that's been the case since Shogun 1. What CA did this time was simply use brute force when in the past they attempted to use finesse to achieve the same goal.
>>339140967
>Radious
Fuck off shill
>>339141340
I will do after a break from the Warhammer varient.I own all of them but never installed any to try them.
>>339141343
I dinked around with the races for a few turns and they seem to have the "Initial difficulty" all ass backwards. Chaos felt by far and wide the easiest where as Empire and Dwarves felt the hardest.
>>339137450
>mfw playing dorfs, wiping out orcs and confederating other dorfs at badlands and taking control of everything
got 4 full armies standing with 5k or so income
is the changer of ways supposed to not get his shit fucked at chaos wasted and come bother me
>>339141352
This
I've been saying it and pissing off autist for years, but streamlining the campaign map in Warhammer was the best thing they ever could have done.
Tediously ''''managing'''' food and religion added nothing to the game. It's called fucking Total War. When you aren't at war you're planning your next one.
>>339141248
Dwarves, lore wise, abhore the undead as abominations for going against nature and because they lost a major battle against thek because they showed up at the end of a Dwarf+ElfxOrk battle, raised EVERYONES casualties, and routed them.
>can't raise other races as undead minions
I just want dwarf and orc skellytons rattling my domains.
>>339140967
>Radious
>>339141248
Just like in real life, the true enemy isn't nations, it's races, religions, rival civilizations, who seek nothing but to replace and kill you.
People of your race, other dwarves or men, will finally realize how retarded they are for starting petty squabbles that will only get them weakened and killed in the long run.
>>339141503
I'd say the difficulty goes something like this (from most to least)
>Chaos(can't be passive)
>Greenskins (same as chaos - can't be passive)
>Empire (really shitty starting location, you're completely surrounded)
>Vampire Counts
>Dwarfs (by far the easiest faction on the battle map. Literally just turtle and pepper your enemy with cannons until they're weakened and then clean up with your unbreakable infantry)
Jesus I actually defeated Chaos! Massive pain in the ass as VC
>>339141868
>No cons listed
>"I wish I had waited"
Alright.
>>339140540
Full yellow with a touch of red.
What is the best way to play Orcs?
>>339141868
>cons
>it's cartoony
>pros
>it's warhammer
I'm getting conflicting messages
>>339141868
that's gotta be one of the worst reviews Ive seen for a game
>>339142161
Never stop rollin'.
is there any guides for getting good?
should I play through on easy first? I'm trying normal dwarfs and I keep fucking up
>>339142293
>It's dumbed down
>Can't win a single battle on easy
Wew
>>339142293
>complains that the game is slow
>immediately after complaining that the game is too fast
Steam reviews are metacritic levels of worthless
>>339142293
>gameplay too hard
>building fruit stands too easy
>game is shit 1/10 wouldn't try again
:^)
>>339133025
Also no reload animations on units. Riflemen just stands there same with the siege operators
Anyone here know if Iron Rock has some special building or bonus?
>>339142716
Pretty sure only provincial capitals have unique buildings.
>>339121816
>why?
you said you are a big fan of tw games, you should never have to ask that in first place.
they're to strategy games what the elder scrolls and fallout series are to rpgs and you'll need at least a few dozen of patches until the games gets to be played or if you're unlucky a complete new expansion like napoleon tw, fall of the samurai or attila tw.
>>339142559
yeah i noticed my dwarven cannons are released by cheering
>>339133025
I get what you are saying, but what's with the ugly anime face?
>>339142786
Have you even played the game?
I'm already 40 hours in and haven't ran into a single bug, and that seems to be the norm.
This is an insanely solid release, not just for CAs shit record, but for games in general.
>>339132648
>the only things
Its a shame I dont keep a list but theres a lot more missing, and not just in campaign.
They've dumbed down battle variables just as much as overmap features.
If they dont put the meat back into the game with expansions, people are going to realise just how shallow it is.
>>339140967
i used to use radious when darthmod wasn't available and at this point i can't force myself to end any of the games i played using that... way too easy, specially mid game where you have enough money to buy the world and a army big enough to conquer europe in a blitzkrieg.
>>339124693
so my recommendation goes to stainless steel, which is a pretty competent mod for medieval 2
>>339142951
>I'm already 40 hours in and haven't ran into a single bug, and that seems to be the norm.
I agree that it's pretty much CAs best launch ever with a really solid performance but that one is just a lie. Many units have fucked stats and magic doesn't scale with unit sizes, just to name a few examples.
>>339142951
nope but given the record i would wait anyway (it's been like this for decades now)
>>339143047
None of those are bugs.
They're minorexecpt for damaging magics being incredibly underpoweredbalance issues, which is to be expected when they completely switch up the formula they've been working with for over a decade.
;3
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-27-total-war-warhammer-is-the-fastest-selling-total-war-game-ever
>>339138669
It seems like almost as much effort went into this post as painting all those skeltals so I'll give you a reply.
If /v/ posters are 'these fucks' then who are you?
>>339143226
A dooty head.
>ADHD retards who cant work a campaign trying to justify simple sam total war which cuts corners everywhere
If you think its tedious to manage some basic arithmetic, you should go play fucking starcraft.
Ive never seen such braindead rationale to make excuses for CAs accessibility bullshit.
>>339143653
If it's so dumbed down and accessable then why is everyone crying about how hard the game is?
>>339143653
>If you think its tedious to manage some basic arithmetic, you should go play fucking starcraft.
No, everyone thought it was tedious, boring, piss easy, and in the end added nothing to the game.
If you want to mindlessly click through menus and paint maps download a Paradox game.
>>339143653
>basic arithmetic
If it's basic, why the fuck have it in the first place? Total War is about combat and always has been and considering the new setting, the fact that it's combat focused makes even more sense.
The diplomacy aspect in TW games has always been utter shit and can't even touch other gsgs or even most 4x games.
>>339137656
Pick the other guy. Turn 1, raise dead, rek templehof army. Turn 2, raise dead, siege Templehof capital. They should get a helper army to attack you, which is what you want. Use your spells on enemy leaders for the easy win.
Don't even bother with the small cities. Just pierce your blood dick straight in their boypucci.
>>339144248
>The diplomacy aspect in TW games has always been utter shit
Blame the devs, they can't code or write AI worth shit, the first time the AI could flank was in fucking attila for god's sake.
I just hope their whole simplified = better thinking doesn't infect other non-fantasy games, it seems to fit in warhammer.
>>339144397
Surprisingly Warhammer has the deepest combat yet.
>>339144397
What game really has better AI than Attila/Warhammer though
>>339143853
Because its full of artificial difficulty and the AI cheats like it always does.
CA sure put a lot of time sticking -order and - morale debuffs everywhere. Or paying more invisible money so the AI can field stacks non-stop.
Cant wait till the next game where they take out morale and order and everyone sucks their dick because throwing something out is better than fixing it.
>>339143872
Im glad you speak for everyone, 'duh go play paradox'. I dont give a fuck about paradox, stop using that stupid crutch as your argument fucking casual apologists.
If you want to play battles and not bother with the campaign, you might as well stick with multiplayer. But you dont, cause you cant grind an AI.
You need your feel good winnings and a predictable challenge which lets you tackle singular problems instead of looking at various variables.
>it's hard so that means it can't be dumbed down
Pacman can be hard if you make the ghosts sanic you fucking idiots
>>339143653
They may have simplified the game a tad, but the game is much harder than previous entries.
>>339144709
>pacman
>dumbed down
Out.
>>339144343
Fucc. Should have done it straight away. Anyway, I have peace pact with them atm.
>>339143203
Oh thank god
All expansions confirmed. I was honestly worried they were not going to make enough money and abandon it.
>>339144648
>fucking casual apologists.
But the mechanics were casual as fuck. Are you honestly going to pretend like managing food or sanitation was hard?
The purpose of the map is to set up armies, alliances, and battles, and nothing else.
Stop pretending like the majority of fans disliked the campaign map because it was '''''hard''''' and not because it was simple superfluous trash.
>>339144648
>Various variables
You are arguing that a game that has never been known for being complicated is now slightly simpler.
>>339144648
>You need your feel good winnings and a predictable challenge
No this is why I praise CA for making a game that's not so easy to cheese as the shit that was prevalent in Shogun 2 and everything before it. You must really be retarded beyond salvation if you think Shogun 2 was harder than Attila/Warhammer when you could cheese the entire game with such ease you may as well not even play a game but color a map.of Japan.
>>339144709
>being so bad at video games he wouldn't want more faster ghosts to make it harder
>adding them in for people who do want is artificial difficulty and we should stick with retarded ghost ai that doesn't even chase
>>339138394
>>339144343
What's wrong with Kemmler?
>>339144503
inb4 paradox.
>>339145007
Magic is really really fucking weak right now.
The buffs/debuff spells are great, but don't expect to do anything with damage spells
When should I apply a 'missile front' type formation?
>>339145171
with gunpowder troops.
>>339145171
always
>>339143226
>>339143503
hes from /tg/, he posts his skeltals up there. They're pretty great.
>>339144871
>>339144878
You just call it superfluous or always. Everything is fucking superfluous if you want to be so flippant.
Why have agents? Just more shit to manage.
Why have building choice? lets just have a single upgrade settlement button that unlocks better troops.
Why have diplomacy? CA cant perfect it anyway, lets take it out we dont need any of it.
Lets reach ultimate zen and turn it into a chessboard with stacks for each piece.
>>339144883
You can cheese any game if you try hard enough even this one.
Games are there to be played, not streamlined till theres nothing to think about but pressing ctrl-a and sending the army forward.
CA was doing well with Attila, actually trying to
build depth. Now they went back 10 steps and people are jizzing themselves cause using scale up in the model viewer and adding particle effect = buff/debuff is an amazing achievement.
And I dont know where you picked out Shogun 2, i didnt mention it.
>>339145130
I found the single target spells are fucking fantastic for eliminating commanders effectively obliterating morale.
They need less casting time though.
I'm a 40k fan but don't really know shit about warhammer fantasy. I'm fucking loving it. Dwarfs are awesome.
>>339145642
Family trees and factions are not necessary to warhammer's setting. If this was aGoT TW, you would have a point.
>>339145358
>They're pretty great.
Y-you too...
>>339145642
>CA was doing well with Attila, actually trying to build depth
>build depth
Game was as deep as a kiddie pool, who are you kidding? This is the only CA game where the AI has backed me into a corner or routed my army with their unit placement. In Atilla, Rome II, and Shogun II, it always became a snore because you were able to just predict and cheeseball your way to victory. Hell playing as Dwarves I thought I was hot shot until a Waugh with 5 Troll units kicked me in the dick so hard that I had to adapt and field a particular army to kill it. Attila? Shogun? Spears in the front and archers in the rear, repeat till bored. Shogun was by far the worst just from how lazy it felt.
>Giant tower castles you just stacked troops next to and stibbity stab the apparent Rock Wall Clans finest
>archers getting stuck on walls
>units that wont fire unless EVERY SOLDIER IS IN LIIIIINNNEEE
Seriously, to hell with that game
>>339146453
aggressive flanking by the AI was something they added in attila.
>>339145171
with iron drakes/ troops with guns since they reguire line of sight to fire properly
>>339146571
>flanking
Im talking about matching up combatants. Fucking watched the AI go "oops" and drag a troll unit plus a hero out of combat, to my center, smash in with boars, then roll in the trolls
>had to yank in my thunderers and make a firing line into the bulge of ork that used to be longbeards
>forced me to gyrobomard when I didnt want to
>>339143653
>If you think its tedious to manage some basic arithmetic
If you're more interested in checking soil fertility and min maxing a bunch of buildings and shit then you should just be playing Civ or a Paradox game.
They've put more emphasis on the battles, which is how Total War should really be
Brittonia fucking shits
>>339146840
as a doot, whats your opinions on the skeltals animations?
so doesent ranged units in front mean they get wrecked and have to be replaced after each battle?
>>339147064
You pull them back immediately after a few volleys
>>339121087
>If you like a faction and win with it. Its OP
>If a factions beats you. Its OP
GTFO
I've put in nearly 50 hours now and can honestly say you can win any evenly stacked battle by playing the damn game instead of auto-resolving. The best battles i have played have come from Manfreds 1 stack verses 2 chaos stacks.
Any factions can cheese the auto-resolve by stacking the same shitty unit.
>>339147064
Move them behind the line, tardo.
>>339146453
Warhammer has the same AI as Atilla.
>>339146986
Oh i love them to pieces. They all march in unison and raise their shields to incoming fire. It may look wonky until you see them thundering past zombies and they suddenly look expert in comparison. They also jump charge whilst screaming, which gave me a good laugh. The Grave Guard have a nice look to them as well and smash shit with relative professionalism
>>339142293
>Game is nothing like Rome 2
>It's a cheap reskin of Rome 2
Wow I've lost 20 IQ points and I'm only in the second sentence.
>>339146867
Wheres this emphasis on battles?
>sieges dumbed down
>wall-less settlements removed
>rain and fog removed never seen it outside cosmetic effects
>bridge battles removed
>shield wall removed
>spearwall removed
>arrow options removed
Meme magic and superheroes added. Which is cool and all but no there isnt more emphasis on battles.
They are just as watered-down as the rest of the game.
>>339147138
Never seen Atilla react and move troops while in melee with 107hrs logged
>>339146954
It seems so obvious the faction was half finished. I hope a mod comes out that fixes them or they get fixed in an update
>1 Kind of ranged infantry unit
>2 kinds of melee infantry units
>3 or 4 kinds of mounted units
Grail Knights are fucking OP though.
>>339146571
>>339147138
Atilla wasn't so bad in that Cav was way overpowered for everyone who wasn't the slavs, so you always bought cav to at least counter the enemies flanking attempts. The only thing the Huns had going for them were endless doom stacks that appeared out of thin air made yup of horse archers that outranged anything short of Sassanid archers. In WH the doom stacks actually come from an existing faction, it just that it is entirely impractical to go after the source even if you theoretically can.
>>339147395
The faction IS half finished.
They're going to be FreeLC
>>339147334
Well I have. If you have 2 units fighting with the AI fighting uphill it will back its units out of a losing battle. I have like 700 hours on it.
>>339147064
Is this your first time playing a strategy game?
>>339120952
it isn't as good as shogun 2.
>>339147395
It doesn't seem half finished to me, perhaps because I played alot of Atilla I can see that you are supposed to play Britonia like you would play the Alans with alot of horse archer spam, shock cav and lolspears
>>339147258
>getting mad because he cant choke point/have to plug every road in a village despite the fact the enemy would set that shit on fire and flush you out
>Getting mad about fucking flaming arrows that were rarely even used in actual historical battles
>wanting Bridge [Game Lost Due To Timer] Battles
>"Meme magic" and "superheroes" added
your mother should have let you run off into the sheets
>>339121816
I don't know what GPU you gor but I'm using Nvidia and vsync is broken, I also notice a few graphical bugs
>>339147258
The battles I've played so have all been much richer and more unpredictable than in any other TW.
>can't just get by with cheesy settlement defences where you put 4 units in a chokepoint then fast forward for 5 minutes
>acting like magic and flying units don't add depth and variety
>monstrous units can break a central line meaning that for the first time the combat is more than just hammer and anvil flanking
>effective micro of hero units can turn a battle
>>339140579
>Only the dead will see the end of war
>>339147607
You also forgot to remind him that shield/spear wall are now the default formation for spear/shielded units, because why the fuck would they not be.
>>339147510
How the fuck can someone be so uneducated on their fucking profession. How can they write so much drivel and not realise how fucking wrong they are. Even when they get called a retard and told why they're wrong in the comments they still defend their stupid opinion. Why are video game journalists so fucking retarded. Why can they not all just instantly die tomorrow.
>>339147395
>not knowing a fucking thing about the tabletop army
>Not knowing Peasant Archers and Foot Spears are LITERALLY their only troops because their entire army is cav based
>Grail Knights, THE WARRIORS BLESSED BY THE LADY AND PINNACLE OF THEIR CALVARY, being "op"
Fucking /v/ scum just download the army book pdfs, ya'll are used to downloading shit and not buying it anyway.
I've only played for about 3 hours, but I already have a much better feeling about this than I had with R2. Just considering if I should use Radious on account of battles being over in like two nanoseconds.
>tfw got it for 30% off on GMG while they had the Mirror's edge voucher bug
>>339148000
Complete is to STALKER as Radious is to Total War
Don't use it.
>>339141343
>empire best faction
MUS BE A 'UMIE GIT
>tfw averaging 20's fps
patch when
Also who do you think will be the D/FreeLC factions besides the obvious Brettonia?
>>339120952
Something that I find to be very understated in reviews is how big of a change is achieved by the introduction of stuff like legendary lords, their surrounding mechanics (equipment that you can find for them) and the buff of agents inside army battles due to their abilities.
From level 15+ onward with a full set of gear most faction heroes will absolutely stomp a huge amount of even experienced units into the ground. On top of it a lot of them (like the empire lords with their flying mounts) have high mobility and various abilities to assist in combat as well.
Basically the only way to stop them cost efficiently is having something similarly powerful of your own and get them into 2v1 with your agents/lords.
Imo the resulting gameplay change is as big of a game changer as the introduction of heroes was from Warcraft 2->Warcraft 3 for example. It results in a completely new combat dynamic when Karl Franz can just fuck up an entire line of ranged units on his own.
>>339148218
Are there any other mods that does something about the short battlesand upkeepI like lots of armies no bully.
>>339148323
>tfw don't have a toaster and haven't dropped below 70fps yet on ultra
>>339148412
>implying reviewers actually play more than 2 hours of any game they ''''review''''
Almost all of the Total War youtubers who got the game early talked about the huge change in the gameplay from Lords/tanks/giants/flying etc.
>>339138312
You can buy the Base game and pirate the dlc. Or just buy one of the older games when everything's on sale for a reasonable price. I got Vicky 2 and HoI3 that way and I've played them far more than EUIV.
>>339146954
>insulting m'lady
>>339148569
Any mod that increases unit size and hp. For upkeep just fucking lrn2 expand and lrn2 make money. I have 4 generals with full armies and several heroes in each army and I'm still on +3k income. Only own 5 full regions too
Assuming that not all of the factions are balanced (I find it hard to believe they are), how would you rank them on the battlefield?
>>339148621
Not as good as yours but not a fucking toaster. The game auto-recommends high but I bumped it down to medium to see if anything got better, it didn't.
You're telling me that my rig can't maintain at least a stable 30 fps on medium? Fuck outta here.
>>339149016
Empire>Chaos>Ork>Dorf>VCucks
>>339149127
The game was optimized to fuck for dx12. Stop letting /v/ memes keep you from updating.
8GB ram is pretty low too at this point. Pick up more sticks for like $30 off newegg
>>339147460
>>339147087
>>339147132
i usually just position them behind the infantry in the first place
>>339149295
Do that after you skirmish the enemy line.
>>339125030
this guy's a moron, it's quite clearly the best total war ever released.
>>339137351
It took me around 20 tries but I am on the verge of winning my campaign.
>>339149016
>Chaos
(mid tier/ high tier units can wreck 2 stacks of any of the armies below.)
>dwarves
(Units refuse to break, ranged units best in the game.)
>Orks
(Most diverse unit composition, easiest to stack and that waagh! Feature can lay waste to an entire race in mere minutes.)
>vampire counts
No ranged units, best air units, can summon dead combatants. Until damage magic gets buffed though they'll be pretty weak. When I'd does get patched though watch out, they'll be a major threat.
>empire
Cav based with good options for artillery, and ranged units.
Infantry units are pretty shit though, steam tank rapes.
>Try to find a torrent of it
>Can't seem to find one
What is happening, /v/?
>>339141340
I hear a lot of good things about Attila but Rome 2 left a sour taste so I never bought it. I won't be buying Warhammer just yet because I want to see a few other factions and stuff so maybe I should look in to it. I'll still wait for a sale because I'm not spending $120 or whatever on all the DLC.
>>339149127
Toasterlette, my rig is running it at 60 with Ultra, get your fucking shit together
>>339149295
If you're positioning them behind infantry, fight on a hill.
Ranged units on very top of hill
Melee units half way down
This allows your ranged units to shoot over the top of your units and hit the enemy.
So long as we're discussing Total Warhammer, are there any notable differences between Ungrim and Thorgrim? Or just go with whichever you think looks neater?
>>339137597
I am currently making 15k per turn and have 300k gold you need to take over more cities or absorb other orc clans.
>>339142786
>you'll need at least a few dozen of patches until the games gets to be played
this anon knows.
Does anyone who has played this game know if it has co-op campaign and is it still plagued with desyncs like shogun 2 onwards?
>>339149569
> Until damage magic gets buffed though they'll be pretty weak
Yeah what's with that?
When I watched Let's Players do Winds of Death before release, it seemed extremely devastating
When I used it, it barely killed a couple of gobbos
>>339149581
Lol retard.
>>339120952
Most people reviewing the game on Steam and review sites do not look on this site. I'm sure most of us will agree that the game is very very very poor in what we have recieved. It's not just a dummed down version of the previous titles, it is completely worse in a few aspects.
Animations are extremely poor, especially considering range units have no reload animations. Also there are no kill sychs. Even Med 2 had those!!! I could continue with a list of negatives but it wouldn't make a difference as most of us here will have seen the bad points of the game.
I leave it in Dresden, and his teams hands to make the game what it should be desu. Even if CA release the other factions I doubt we would get the full map with every faction. so Modders will be what cures the game.
They have copied Bethesda for some part, blank state game only offering core mechanics and graphics, and let modders fix/make the game what it should be at release. Remember this game was not in development for that long, so that can be a sign of the poor amount of content we are given.
>>339147240
no sir, i don't like it.
>>339149581
The age of game torrents is over.
We have entered the dark age of Denuvo.
>>339143021
>If they dont put the meat back into the game with expansions, people are going to realise just how shallow it is.
thing is anon, they haven't made this game for total war fans, they have made it for warhammer fans
they have been asking for a warhammer game since rome 1 and now they have it but not all warhammer fans are TW fans or even gamers, so that is why I assume they have dumbed it down a bit, to make it easier and battle focused.
>>339149753
I'm not really sure, anon. But the VC really get exposed during siege battles.
No ranged + weak damage magic pretty much guarantees you'll lose half of your force just getting through the gates. The VC are heavily reliant on magic, so not putting a premium on its affects shafts them. Still pretty fun to play though, I do like the faction, they just need some help.
>>339149856
>>>/overwatch/
>>339149736
game runs excellent and is virtually bug free
it's time to let the R2 memes die
>>339149753
I think they nerfed it to shit just before it released because how strong magic seemed to be. I'm sure they'll find a balance soon.
>>339149856
>Animations are extremely poor
>Also there are no kill sychs. Even Med 2 had those!!!
>"WHY AREN'T MY UNITS SLIDING AROUND UNTIL THEY LOCK TOGETHER WITH THEIR DANCING PARTNER"
>especially considering range units have no reload animations.
the only valid thing in your shitpost. I have no idea how CA fucked that up
>>339149856
Modders cant really fix it unless they know how to port all the Attila features into Warhammer.
>>339149924
But people are complaining about how this is the hardest TW yet.
Unless you're going to tell me TW was always about the shitty campaign map and not the battles?
>Tfw your realm is finally stable and secure from immediate invasion and you make 5k per turn
the only downside is that dwarven units cost so much dosh
>>339149736
>it has co-op campaign and is it still plagued with desyncs like shogun 2 onwards?
Yes, but at least they implemented a re-connect feature, I'm also DCing a lot if I'm checking my faction's stuff while it's the turn of the other player, single player works fine though.
>>339150086
>lots of casuals start playing the game
>more people whine that its hard
I wonder why
Try and play any of the older titles on the harder difficulties.
Anyone having trouble with this is either new or shit at TW period.
>>339150241
I've played the older ones, and I always play Very Hard at the least.
Warhammer is infinitely harder in the battles now. The AI is actually competent now and reacts, regroups, and flanks. And things like Lords, giants, and actual cavalry charges absolutely fuck your line, and make you actually respond to the changing battle, instead of just hammer and anviling with your absurdly OP free route M2 cavalry.
And just look at the Steam reviews, a lot of "Total War veterans" are complaining that they actually have to try in the battles now.
>>339150024
They did take out the one versus one dueling combat and skyrim like kill animations. Works better now
Meanwhile on 2ch
>>339150539
Can you have different campaign map and battle difficulties?
>>339150539
Thats cause CA fucked with the balance and you have things like dwarfs with infinite armor and practically no morale drops on harder difficulties.
AI still acts dumb, like sitting on walls in settlement while you merrily send units up the walls and to the capture point.
>>339149856
You stupid Nigga
>>339150590
It's funny how similar we are.
>>339150714
Yup, you can change the battle difficulty specifically in the options after you start the game.
A lot of people turn it to normal, because higher difficulties just give the enemy more stats.
>>339150792
>Thats cause CA fucked with the balance and you have things like dwarfs with infinite armor and practically no morale drops on harder difficulties
Sounds like a Dwarf army doing Dwarf things.
>AI still acts dumb, like sitting on walls in settlement while you merrily send units up the walls and to the capture point.
Definitely, sieges have always been dried dog shit in this series. They tried to simplify up the siege maps to help the AI out, but it didn't help enough. Now we're just left with shit AI and boring siege maps.
>>339150590
Why is it blocked in Japan?
>>339149921
No, but seriously, I haven't had a game I actually wanted to pirate in years.
>Check out public trackers
>kat, piratebay, isohunt, torrentz.eu
>Nothing. Everything that is Total War seems to be extremely old
>Check out private trackers, bitgamer, gazzelle gamer, blackcat gamer have all died or my account has expired
What is happening?
>>339150925
Even hard gives the AI bonuses? Not just Legendary?
Why does GW agreed to make a game around the old warhammer when its no longer existant?
Why not age of shitmar?
>>339151023
Id panic if I was poor, but these days you can grab a ton of good games for spare change off humble bundle.
Just have to wait a couple of years.
>>339151041
Everything past normal gives the AI stat bonuses. If you're new to the series definitely play the battle difficulty on normal or you're going to feel like you're getting cheatedbecause you are
>>339151071
GW is the most incompetent company in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8
>>339150957
Sega and other big publishers usually block Japanese customers on steam.
http://tabitter.net/how-it-sucks-to-be-a-pc-gamer-in-japan/
Or they do some convoluted shit like with Dark Souls 2 where there was a special version that had Japanese text that was $20 more.
I think has improved a bit lately though.
MGS5, Dark Souls 3 and some other recent games released with Japanese as normal.
>>339149856
disagree 100%. have played all total wars since the original shogun and have never had as much fun with one of them as I have with this one.
>>339151180
What's funny is the space marine inside of a space marine actually ended up happening.
>>339151169
I really don't want to buy a Total War game after Rome 2. I'll wait for them to get the kinks worked out, at least.
I didn't play Rome 2, so I'm trying to get used to the new system.
Are you just supposed to leave all your minor regions with the garrison as the only defense? Seems a bit shitty that you can't bolster your defense if your main armies are far away, and that you can't send the garrison out if there's one dick ass unit in your backyard raiding your shit.
>>339147510
I remember that article
Some of the finest BTFO a comment section has ever provided.
>>339151432
I understand your feelings senpai, but Warhammer is an insanely solid release.
Optimized as fuck and no bugs.
>>339151468
>Are you just supposed to leave all your minor regions with the garrison as the only defense?
Yes, blame devs being unable to code. Old system where you could build units was better.
>>339137138
man, i LOVE seeing giants going to town. Like orks, they see them a a force of nature.. the embodyment of Gork and Mork
>>339151468
You can build defensive buildings that give your cities bigger garrison/walls.
>>339151645
>Yes, blame devs being unable to code.
Wut. It was a design choice to keep the player from steam rolling. Just a really shitty one.
At least it kind of makes sense to have a lord leading every army in Warhammer, but I still wish they'd bring the old army system back.
>>339137351
I spent the first 60 turns taking over the south. Uniting the orc clans and getting rid of the dwarves is the only tricky bit. Once the south is all yours, you make absurd amounts of cash and can field 4 full armies of black orcs/boar boy big uns/giants/arachnorok spiders/doom divers. You take all four of those armies north and kill everything in your way. If you take losses, just set up camp and global recruit (more expensive but by that point your income should be so high you'll be fine). With any luck Chaos and the Empire will have fucked each other up so much you can walk all over them; at the very least one or the other will be weakened.
I'm having fun but I am not very good at this game
I played a bit of Rome 2 and didn't touch Attila, but I played a lot of Shogun 2 and the others
Maybe I've gotten bad over the years, I feel like my melee units die too quickly for me to be able to set up flanking maneuvers, and other stuff like charging downhill or firing from inside a forest to people who are outside the forest no longer matter as much as they did in Shogun 2
In fact I feel flanking isn't as powerful as Shogun 2 either
>>339152182
Its probably the units you are using.
Some units like the starters for Vampire Counts are best used in Guard mode to hold a line
Really want this after watching videos and playing a bit on a mates pc, but i didn't get paid this month which bloody sucks
>>339153197
I play as Empire, I only just started so I have mainly a line of swordsmen, a couple of shielded spears if the AI tries to use horses, and 4 crossbowmen
roll lads
>>339154392
here i go
>>339154392
rollin'
DAILY REMINDER TO STOP LETTING THE AI ASS FUCK YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED TO GO NEGATIVE
THE AI IS RICH
WHICH MEANS IT HAS HUGE GOLD
SACK AND RAID
RAID AND SACK
BUILD A GODDAMN SECOND ARMY YOU COWARD
I'M GOING TO POST THIS EVERY THREAD UNTIL YOU GIT GUD
>>339154897
thanks doom guy advisor sama
>>339154897
are you the nerd who advises people to raid and sack places they plan to occupy
>>339150590
Like looking in a mirror
>>339154392
For Sigmar!
Lads help me to get good, i always take too many cities ,spread my empire too long and get fucked by some AI army attacking me where i cant defend or the people get unhappy since i dont have enough troops. Should i raze shit? How to git gud
>>339154897
Raiding is such a good gold income
>>339155428
Im the nerd who advises people to not to rush and occupy everything and get fucked by rebels and other factions
>>339155559
Huh
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>>339155580
Don't expand too quickly, the AI will detect you are growing aggressively and form coalitions to take you down.
>>339155742
Oops
>>339155555
>>339155778
But if i dont the AI will get too strong wont they?
>>339155841
yes, use subterfuge.
>>339155841
It's finding the optimal balance ofc.
>>339154392
NEXT PLAYTHROUGH
>>339120952
>Is this worth 60 bucks for me?
If you really like Total War and Warhammer I'd say yes but if you're not that into either franchise just wait for a sale.
>>339155841
Sack and Raid them to get funds to get another army don't put too many elites in your first army it'll fuck your income when you try to get a second
Don't be scared to go negative warhammer plays differently in that sacking and raiding is actually useful
>>339154392
Here we go
>>339156025
But isnt that bad, since i want to occupy most of the places?
>>339136917
>They are balanced because their power is offset by their high cost.
I've loved the Dwarfs forever and even I think this is wrong. I lost my first army early on by getting tag-team WAAAGH'D and ended up with so many grudges that I replaced my costs after mopping up the two broken, leftover groups of Orcs with my backup army.
>>339156231
If you rush to occupy provinces that have huge public order maluses you have to deal with not having the troops to keep them calm and a angry enemy faction that isn't afraid to raid and sack
The AI is more or less rich in a way take their money and build up your economy to get a second army and then expand
>>339155705
You're dumb. You get rebels because you keep sacking it when you occupy.
You should have like 3 full provinces by turn 12. Don't loot shit you plan to occupy, you're ruining provinces that could be put to use making you money and they'll be worth less when you take them and fucked with instability. Whatever you even get from a sacked city isn't worth it if you are rebuilding castles on it, dumbass.
>>339154392
'Ere we go!
>>339144343
>Templehof always builds a wall and is swimming in grave guards when I get there
aaaaaaaaaa
>>339156441
Well i am able to get a second army, but thats still not enough to protect my borders
>>339155841
This isn't a Paradox game, don't listen to, >>339155778
Growing fast is super important in Total War, especially this one. It essentially decides the pace of the entire game.
>>339156456
Why would you sack the same place more than once? And it's not like your going to occupy it in the next turn
>>339156665
I raze whatever I sack on the next turn but I only sack lands that I can't otherwise occupy like Dorf or Gob shits which you will always get pulled into a war against they are so desperate to die and give you money.
Sacking a place you plan to occupy soon is beyond retarded and fast expansion ensures nobody can outpace or compete with you. The only thing that a person should exercise caution in declaring wars right away with is as Vampire Counts in regard to their corruption which even then they should not be too cautious and expand fast.
>>339137597
Land doesn't matter to Orcs, son, you is muckin about with all that! Once you get a good fightin' force, you should be tearing across the land, looting and burning everything in your path, slaughtering to the last soul. It's not about what you hold as an Orc, it's about what you take.
>>339156983
>soon is beyond retarded
I agree here
but
> fast expansion
disagree here
I personally Feel like slower expansion is better in warhams while fuck the other faction economy to build yours
>>339120952
Took mad time to do
had to raze the skaeling with two armies but before I could finish off the varg the orcs declared war on me as the had no other faction to WAAAARGGHHH (dwarves are dead, only little dwarf clans remain)
now i'ev got 4 full stack armies led by griffin heroes and the emperor going into the badlands to clear out the orc menace
they have a ridiculous amount of giant monsters but whenever they siege my towns my upgraded watches give me walls that rape large enemies
about turn 320, going to keep advancing into the badlandshard difficulty, playing very hard dwarves next
>>339157171
t. garrosh hellscream
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