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I once thought Doom 3 was shit. Today, I appreciate it a lot, especially with Redux mod.
Two problems.
One is that the intro was already stale back when it came out, mimicking HL's "storytelling" model. Go through a facility, apocalypse happens, go back through the same facility and watch lest you slip on the blood.
The other is that it's hard to get into Doom 3 once you played FEAR. Gunplay is very weak and what's worse some enemies desintegrate as soon as they die. Very, very floaty despite good sound design.I still can't believe how this piece of shit that is neu Doom was so well received. At least Doom 3 tried to do something new. And it shits all over neu Doom in every regard including visual fidelity.
>>338213858Blame aggressive marketing. This site got too popular for its own good.
As a long time classic Doom fan, I liked Doom 3 for what it was.
Get Trent Renzor soundpack and you are all set.
People can shit on Doom 3 all they want but it's better than the new game. Not to say that the new game is irredeemably awful, but the game design was just plain better in every way in Doom 3 with the only sour point being 'it's too fucking dark' which you can fix with mods (or just turning the brightness really high).
Which reminds me, snapmap pales in comparison to actual real mods. I hate this "WE HAVE TO CONTROL EVERYTHING" mentality these developers/publishers have these days.
>>338215883
Doom 3 being dark is one of its best aspects.
>>338215486
Yeah, they are obviously canvasing both 4chan and /r/eddit at the same time.
>>338213858
>I still can't believe how this piece of shit that is neu Doom was so well received. At least Doom 3 tried to do something new
kill yourself
>>338213858
Doom 3 caught the visual aesthetic perfectly. Doom 4 looks like you're shooting space aliens in Mass Effect or something. Not metal enough really.
>>338216174
>Not metal enough really.
It's plenty metal, unless you're talking about modern metal like Children of Bodom or Amon Armath. Otherwise it fits perfectly with the metal aesthetic of yesteryear like Manowar/Napalm Death/Anthrax
>>338216174
Level design is complete shit, not quite arena and certainly not corridors, just random generic shopping mall sprawl. Might as well be playing muzak through all the shit textures.
>>338216552
I'm not really feeling the metal vibe from the visuals like I did with all the other Doom games. Just look at the imp from Doom 3 compared to Doom 4. Doesn't mean Doom 4 is bad.
oh for fuck's sake
>>338213858
Doom 3 reminds me of how I played Doom back when it first released and I was 8 years old. I took it slow, creeping around the levels and rarely sprinting, and the game seemed terrifying as fuck. Because of that I like Doom 3 more than most fans do, and think it's a fairly good game.
Meanwhile, the new Doom is representative of how I played Doom once I got older. The game no longer seemed scary, and I cranked up the difficulty and blazed through it guns a'blazing. Despite a few quirks the new game captures that experience fairly well. And it's a much better game than Doom 3.
ITT: salt
>>338213858
Hey you know that game that everyone hated, including myself, now that a sequel has come out that people enjoy let me tell you about how patrician I have become.
The new game sucks and the old game was a masterpiece. I just don't think you plebs can grasp it properly unlike myself.
>>338217505
I'm with this guy.
Y'all can like both, you know.
>>338213858
>Remember when this game looked absolutely AMAZING and I could barely get 10 fps in the game.
>Look back now and the game looks horrid.
Graphic stagnation my ass.
>>338213858
God damn I swear to god you can never please the faggots on v
>>338216174
>Doom 3 caught the visual aesthetic perfectly.
No it didn't. It looked more like an Alien game than a Doom game. The only good designs were the imp, hell knight, and cyberdemon. The rest looked awful (especially the poor cacodemon) and the environments were drab and boring.
>Nostalgia hipsters shit on Doom 3 because it's not Doom 1-2
>Doom 4 comes out
>The same people now praise Doom 3 and tell how shit Doom 4 is because it's not Doom 1-3
>>338216552
>Amon Amarth
>modern
:^{
>>338217835
if that's the case then I guess Doom 4 wanted to take it to the next level
>Le last game was better meme
NuDoom literally shits on its legacy and panders to brootal fags, that's why despite being the shitty wait for the 6 enemies to spawn and kill them to progress, it gets praised.
>>338213858
>Gunplay is very weak and what's worse some enemies desintegrate as soon as they die.
there were mods that made corpses permanent. with the option of making them ungibbable too. Although ID Tech 3's ragdoll system is janky it's still fun watching ragdolls fly from explosions. But good luck finding those mods with filefront dead.
>>338215486
>>338213858
doom 3 is shit and you're both retards with terrible taste
>>338218169
you have to kill enemies to progress? please tell me that's wrong or that's really really gay.
>Doom 3
>Good
You guys try too hard to be contrarian
Next you'll say Dark Souls 2 was good
>>338218042
Doom 4 enemies actually look like demons, and the environments are much more varied. Mars surface, refinery, suspended bridge with maintenance building, hell, etc. And that's just the first few levels. Doom 3 is dark linear space station and dark linear hell areas.
>>338218391
Don't worry, you kill most of them through QTEs anyway. And they are brootal!
>>338218438
Doom 3 has masterful level design, of course a station would have corridors, would be nonsensical otherwise. What's ingenious is that you can rely on positioning in very cramped rooms - in other words, branching is done in rooms rather than through overall map.
Meanwhile neu Doom just has generic 300feet wide lanes.
>>338218695
>>338218169
Crack when?
>>338218438
oh I see it now
>>338213858
it's odd, I found FEAR to be very difficult to get into since i played doom 3 years before. FEAR felt like a really bad version of doom 3. It was worse in every aspect
>>338218695
its already been proven that executions are a handicap that you would only need to use if you're shit
>>338218821
>Doom 3 has masterful level design
Ok so now we're at the point that Doom 3 is considered this masterpiece just to heap more shit on Doom 4.
Its funny, I actually like Doom 3 quite a bit and love the fuck out of 4, I'll never understand why you faggots need to keep drawing lines in the sand against each other or similar games in the same fucking franchise.
Hell wanna know something funny? Doom 4 makes every single expansion and fan produced content for Doom 1 and 2, canon, the only that isn't canon is Doom 3 in that universe, its pretty funny.
Seriously stop being such faggots already.
I'll always hate Doom 3 and I don't understand how people can defend it.
>The weapons are shit
>Enemies instantly disappear as soon as they die (at least Doom 4 lets their corpse lie their for a few seconds)
>Worst Cacodemon redesign
>Tries to pull System Shock 2 elements with a PDA but has a really crappy UI where it's in a separate screen (thanks consoles)
>Voice Acting is very boring and unmemorable
The lighting was good and I'd be a liar if I claimed that it was never scary, but it's just a disappointing game at the end of the day.
I know that years from now I will happy reinstall Doom 4 and have a blast playing it, just as I have a blast replaying Doom 1, Quake, Duke, and Serious Sam. I can't say that about Doom 3, it aged poorly just like Half-Life 2.
>>338213858
Doom 3 was shit. See a dark alcove? shoot at it with your shot gun the game
>>338219079
they give you hp points.
I'm actually pretty sure everyones retarded and the optimum way to play the game is to lure enemies into corners so you can efficiently execute them without taking damage.
>>338218975
FEAR is literally the best first person SHOOTER ever made, you're a fucking retard.
>>338218945
Yes way to cherrypicking. Especially since I already said Doom 3's imp looked better. The imp and cyberdemon are the only monsters that look better in 3. How about you post the godawful Doom 3 cacodemon, or pinky, or lost souls, or mancubus, or the goofy looking revenant? What about the ridiculous tank-man boss? The game's enemy designs were laughable.
>>338215883
>corridors on corridors
>Garbage hitscan soldiers all over the place who can't be stunned or pain'd and react instantly
>Textures that have aged like milk
>Stupid fucking story that takes itself way too seriously
> boy I sure love waiting 5 minutes for a scientist with the most generic dialogue on the planet to get it the fuck over with and flip the switch I need him to so I can advance
>>338219243
>I know that years from now I will happy reinstall Doom 4 and have a blast playing it
Fuck you, even if you are being ironic
>>338219301
FEAR IS ONE OF THE WORST GAMES EVER MADE
>>338218945
lmao
>>338219243
Level design is good, and consequently the atmosphere. It does feel stunted in scope and I agree PDA could have been done better but no one does it even today apart from some STALKER modder.
>>338218975
To throw my chips in the ring. I found Doom 3 to suffer from the issues OP stated, and never really got into it - although I played it to completion.
FEAR I found to be worse in every way. I also played it to completion, however I did so out of bloody mindedness, feeling that it managed to take all of the crippling weaknesses in Doom, emphasise them, and bundle the lot together.
Doom 3 is bad
New Doom is good
Doom 3 was always shat on and called a mistake even by it's devs
New Doom is great except the multiplayer and who gives a shit about multiplayer
is redux mod better than sikkmod plus wulfen textures ?
>>338219284
they also drop health packs by normally killing them (in smaller amounts) and if they corner you they'll kill you
>>338219430
>Doom 3 is bad
>New Doom is good
You sure convinced me with those strong arguments
>>338219301
FEAR was alright. Guns felt great but the level design was weak and it wasn't scary at all.Project Origin was better.
>>338218169
Brutal DOOM is an amazing mod, you contrarian faggot.
>>338219430
And what shall you do once the campaign is over?
>>338219335
Oh no I am so sorry Anon that I enjoy a game that you don't. My sincerest apologies.
Doom 3 was always good. Only underage faux 90s le Classic Doom XD kids think it's bad.
BEHOLD, THE REASON WHY PEOPLE LIKE THE NEW DOOM >>338219567
>>338219560
wasn't hard to do that when you're stupid enough to like doom 3
>A poor man's System Shock is better at Doom than a Doom that plays like Ultimate Doom/Doom 2
heh
>>338219305
>cacodemon, or pinky, or lost souls, or mancubus, or the goofy looking revenant?
I dunno, man, I thought all of those looked cool. Maybe not the cacodemon but I wouldn't say the Doom 4 cacodemon looks good either. It worked on the small sprite of the first two dooms but in HD it looks pretty dumb.
>all these hipster Doom 3 apologists coming out of the woodwork now that a new Doom came out that's actually halfway decent
>>338219647
Lick the cum from my bull's cock after he fucks my wifeActually play Overwatch and enjoy life, you have a life don't you anon?
This shit looks like Halo with melee executions.
>>338218975
What? FEAR shits on Doom 3 in almost every way, aside from atmosphere, lighting, and level variety.
>>338219665
it's a good mod that was made by an asshole, get over it
>>338219665
I really couldn't get into that brootal doom shit, it's just a gorefest with pace breaking animations that are also badly done.
>>338219425
Extreme linearity, hallways and monster closets are not good level design.
>>338219745
You sound like a cuck alright.
>>338213858
I played this when I was about 10 the first time and the moment when everythng goes to shit and the first guy gets turned into a zombie scared me a lot. I was on edge, but then the zombies popping out of the dark every 2 seconds was just too much for me.
>>338219567
get the fuck out of here
>>338219647
Do it again on the hardest difficulty where if I die its over.
Then wait for mods I guess.
>>338219301
Take off your nostalgia goggles, FEAR is mediocre at best
>everything that isn't the shotgun is weak as shit
>movement is meh except for the occasional bullet time thing
>Exalted enemy AI boils down to the occasional flank or grenade, which even CoD has done since then
>horror boils down to a few dark hallways and interface screws that were even less scary than Doom 3
>level design is nothing but warehouses and offices
The only thing people remember about it besides the mediocre AI was the TECHNOLOGY which amounted to a few swinging ceiling lights.
>>338219770
Did you just say FEAR has worse lighting than Doom 3? What the fuck, I wish I didn't delete my FEAR webms.
>>338219794
Having monsters crawl out of vents and hide in dark spaces is logical AND good design.
>>338216780
>Game is corridors
>"WOOOW CORRIDOR SIMULATOR SO BORING"
>Game is completely open space
>"WOOOOW HUGE OPEN WORLD WITH NOTHING IN IT WHEN WILL THE OPEN WORLD MEME DIE"
>Game is a nice mixture of indoor fairly open areas
>"WOOOOW IT'S NOT OPEN WORLD OR CORRIDOR ENOUGH"
Shut the fuck up you stupid faggots.
>>338219567
BD sucks, Doom 2016 is great. Fuck off you mental 12-year-old
>>338219301
jesus no stop this meme
its a better than good game now fuck off. Its not even in consideration for the best
>>338219542
>normally killing them (in smaller amounts)
smaller amounts lol.
yea, I'm pretty much 90% sure you can do what I said. I saw enemies Running Around you for tactical cover to throw fireballs that miss instead of swarming you. I might be wrong but I know the large majority of gamers are complete retards that can't do anything because they were educated in the public school system.
also, how are you not even innately against that retarded concept wtf.
>>338219672
.t Bethesda Shill
>>338213858
Just finished doom 2016. Was alright.
How was the lost missions or whatever the fuck it was called for Doom 3? I thought Doom 3 while different was ok and enjoyed Resurrection of Evil.
>bland corridor crawl wanna-be survival horror game
>better than the game that captures the spirit of the first two games
>>338219897
This isn't "a nice mixture", it's nothing. You can switch highways, lucky you.
>>338219745
Of course, however I don't think a single player campaign is sufficient to serve as the heart of a good shooter - especially not one that tries to hark back to the glory days of ID.
Without interesting multiplayer, I'd rather play CS and DotA, whilst waiting for Overwatch.
>>338219895
>Having monsters crawl out of vents and hide in dark spaces is logical AND good design.
You fucking wish that was a constant occurrence. I got a little tired of entering rooms and having red flame effects pop up to signal enemy spawns.
>>338213858
>I still can't believe how this piece of shit that is neu Doom was so well received
Because they actually played the game instead of playing the MP beta, seeing a few videos of the campaign and writing the entire thing off.
>>338219647
Same thing I did with the original games: replay on harder difficulties and search for all of the secrets. After that I'll move on to other games and occasionally come back to Doom to replay it for fun. Just like I do with Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, and Doom 64.
>>338219564
FEAR 2 was okay, not really as good as the first, especially the multiplayer. The level design was fine, just really repetitive in theme. I also agree that the scary bits are garbage, but I didn't really figure it would be so that didn't bother me.
>>338220016
*kaching*
$0.50 has been deposited to your bank account.
>>338220089
*kacking*
$0.25 has been deposited to your bank account.
>>338220038
Doom never had interesting multiplayer. Quake is when id got multiplayer right.
>>338220089
*ka-ching*
50 Autism Points have been deposited to your Autism account
Your account balance is 10 Billion Autism Points
>>338220197
>>338220089
wish there was an advanced AI bot that does this since shills are so easy to tell these past months
>>338220089
>i have no argument beyond being a hipster faggot
Deal with it fuckboy
Decent action-shooter > shitty horror game
>>338219665
>>338219839
>>338219907
Doom 4 is clearly heavily inspired by Brutal Doom for one thing, you retarded chucklefucks. How is Brutal DOOM as bad as the hivemind says? The melee animations are about as dumb as glory kills in the new one, but I think I used them about twice total. I didn't like the addition of reloading either, but I didn't let that sour my grapes to a comprehensive mod to an already great game. You can like Brootal and the original and still seem really cool and edgy on the internet you shiteating sheep.
>>338220330
wow, that's alot of autism points
what can you buy with em anyway?
>>338220407
>Calls me sheep
>Blindly defends a game where none of the original creators were directly involved
>>338220430
Sanics
>>338219948
you havent played the game
>>338215883
>DOOM 3 is good except the darkness
Enjoy using one of the most humorously bad shotguns in shooter history.
>>338220330
LMFAO
>>338220265
>Literally coined the terms deathmatch, gibs and frag/telefrag
>Workplace and uni servers were backed up by people playing multi
>"Doom never had interesting multiplayer"
Underage retard detected
>>338220407
>Hitscan weapons deal retarded amounts of damage, forcing you to hide
>Shitty voice clips
>Author steals material from other WADs without permission
>Retarded balance decisions, like NPC Marines, enemies dropping berserk packs, enemies having alternate attacks, etc etc
>>338220526
>Called out for following /v/ contrarian hivemind and hating brootal just because
>invited to provide reasons brootal is bad
>continues to shitpost
I'm not "blindly" defending nuDOOM, I happen to like it, and if it's good I don't care who made it.
>>338213858
If you actually have enemies lurking around instead of teleporting in all over the place, Doom 3 would be a GREAT System Shock wannabe.
Not a great Doom game, but at the time, I wasn't all to broken up about it.
>>338218821
>>338219170
Holy shit, THAT! I wish the levels ere better because the impact of the bullets is really fun but the levels are complete shit. I like how in some games you can chose to grab a weak weapon and dodge/fuck around with it instead of using it just to save ammo for the "good" weapons to fight enemies later. You can't do that shit in that game because there is nothing to do in those maps! That along the movement and shitty and boring enemies is what made me drop Painkiller too. How can you fuck it up so badly like that? Still dissapointed.
>>338220089
Can't wait for you faggots to be calling people shills six months from now because you're still refusing to admit it was good.
>dark souls 3 comes out
>/v/ is flooded with people now saying 2 is better after previously taking a collective shit on it
>doom 4 comes out
>the same goddamn shit happens
Shine on you contrarian fucks
>>338220937
There's a mod that does this
>>338220038
I happen to think its sufficient because I grew up too poor to afford internet and I never actually finished doom, I only replayed the shareware version over and over again
>>338213858
>hasn't even been mentioned on /v/ in probably 5+ years
yeah what a classic
>>338220823
Hitscan weapons were nothing new, my friend, and I've played Duke3D and Blood, so I understand that sometimes utilizing cover to break line of sight after firing a volley is better against some enemies than just blindly circlestrafing at 50MPH, effectively becoming impossible to hit with projectile weapons, and thinking I'm good. Voice clips I could take or leave. I would ask you to provide a source for your information about stealing WAD content, but I honestly don't care--these are free mods, it happens. NPC marines are goofy. I don't understand how enemies having alternate attacks is a bad thing; they've had the exact same attacks for two decades, the addition of a single basic behaviour for enemies is fine by me, good, even.
NOOM will be pretty okay when people mod it to replace the consolized elements like QTEs with traditional ones
Oh. Right. No mods. Obfuscated code. Customers can't be trusted not to steal from us. Fuck.
>>338221135
>/v/ is filled with different people with different opinions
wow what the fuck who knew
>>338221337
Which QTEs?
>>338220923
Why don't YOU provide reason to like the new game besides >I liek it
>>338221338
And there are a group of these people who hold contrary opinions. It's not everyone here but it's a sizable number.
>>338213858
how do you die in this game without being retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6J352J_RG8
like I'm watching footage and I have no clue how you'd die.
like this is the first non retard I've seen so far.
>>338221314
It's just the Zelda effect. Every time a new entry comes out for anything, no matter how good it is, there are always a bunch of faggots who are like so obviously of superior taste to everyone who say the new one is shit because reasons and that the previous one was so much better.
>>338221205
oh sweet. Link?
>>338221526
>people have different opinions than other people
>>338218695
? so we're just lying now?
Doom 3 is a piece of shit cash-in that completely missed the point of the series. Doom 64 is the real Doom3.
>>338221338
>It's almost like when people say "/v/" they mean as an entity.
I've fucking seen the back and forth "why does /v/ form this opinion" "/v/ is multiple people" everyday, why does every seem to think people aren't using "/v/" as "shorthand for the majority of opinions I see commonly on /v/".
>>338221854
>majority of opinions
CITATION NEEDED
>>338221802
>muh ninty sixty fooour
>>338221415
I wasn't even talking about nuDoom other than to point out that it's clearly inspired by Brootal, but fine
>orthogonal enemy design like the DOOM
>classic weapons with great gunplay and addition of mostly neat secondaries
>excellent visuals and overall almost serious over the top tone
>story elements deliberately designed to be unobtrusive
>reasonably fast
>very cool environments IMO
>did a really good job keeping an older-school feel to level design despite graphical fidelity excluding possibility of simpler abstract visual design of levels in DOOM
>Basically, a really good sequel to DOOM and DOOM 2
>Multiplayer honestly pretty fun IMO, I know it's not exactly an arena shooter with the depth of Quake 3, but it is still pretty fast, and fun on PC
>>338219664
No it was always bad
That's why it was universally panned for ten years
>>338222000
Do you not understand?
Obviously this would be the majority of a opinions as perceived from the view of the person speaking though.
>>338219751
Looks like Doom
Looks good
>>338222049
Man and I thought the marketers browse /v/ was a meme.
Turns out it's not
>>338222156
CITATION NEEDED
>>338219897
DOOM has both
>>338222206
Literally looks like a Halo sequel, senpai.
>>338222234
>anyone that says too many nice things about a game is a marketer
epic
>>338219970
Bethesda didn't even develop the game you mong, good try. >>338220038
>>338222234
>literally was talking about brootal, only even mentioned nudoom as it relates to brootal
>buttblasted shitbaby demands I explain why I like nudoom even though I didn't even say I liked it
>I outline why I like it
>LOL MARKETING SHILL NICE TRY LE JEW MAN
Drink bleach.
>>338222529
>>338222535
>>338222552
kys bethesda's marketing team
>>338220089
I haven't seen so many butt hurt pirates for a single game in a LONG time
If there was a day one crack you can be sure everyone would love this game.
>>338222650
You kill yourself, underage memer.
>>338222848
Learn to read faggot
>>338222848
Every (you) he gets keeps him going. Why are you bothering?
>>338222463
I see no aliens or space ships
I see hellfire blood and upside down crosses with green and red portals
You know, Doom
>>338213858
>Doom 3 better than the new Doom
I never thought I'd hear someone say that.
>>338222650
Maybe if you ask again real nice Mom will buy it for you.
>>338223004
Me neither
>>338222975
Well, it's been repainted. Got ourselves a new era here.
>>338219335
>>338223056
>I'm a responsible adult wasting money on toys
Kill yourself you fucking failure
Thanks to Zenax for finally redeeming this franchise for once.
Now let's get some sequels and maybe even a better MP in the future.
>>338223182
I have plenty of spare dough, I got it for $38. No hard feelings man
>>338223292
Sounds like you know how to spend your money wisely
kys
>>338222881
Okay, I see; you literally think that not only did Bethesda send a guy to talk about a mod for a 20 year old game that doesn't make them any money on a quest to somehow promote their new game, but you actually think a company as big as Bethesda with actual marketing literally sent MULTIPLE people onto 4chan's barely popular /v/ to espouse vaguely positive opinions about their new game in spite of the fact that this board is murderously hostile to people who even like video games, much less actual shills. Get your head checked.
>>338223489
>4chan's barely popular /v/
This isn't 2004 anymore anon
>>338223632
Fuck, that was a long time ago. I'm going to die here.
doom 3 fluctuates too much between pleasant and boring as all hell
>>338223431
why so hostile friend?
relax with some new Doom kill some demons blow off some steam
>>338220038
DOOM 1 and 2 are defined by their single player. Id multiplayer didn't truly take off until the Quake series.
If I had to choose a strong campaign over great multiplayer, I'd do it every time.
>>338213858
so doom 4 isn't really a bad game it's just metroid prime and not doom.
>>338221562
you die by not being able to aim and getting scared. Demons do a fuckton of damage and if you run into one half your health is gone.
>>338221562
I'd also like to add a good player or TAS run can make any game look piss easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwAHXofBERA
Doom isn't super hard, but it also isn't super easy.
>/v/ canonically hates game
>Game sequel comes out
>Zomg game is so le good
>>338222363
It's okay if you don't understand.
>>338224167
Except it is Doom.
>>338221562
I probably died 15+ times to every boss just on Ultra-Violence.
>>338221216
>>338220038
Blizzard has added $0.50 to your account
>>338224167
I think it's funny that in all honesty with the verticality and data logs it feels a lot like Metroid at times. Especially the stone guardians.
>There will never be a Metroid game running off the new Doom engine
>New Doom is everything people wanted from a modern shooter
>WAAAAH, ITS NOT EXACTLY LIKE MUH 90s CLASSIC
>>338213858
I made a thread for this yesterday glad its not just me!
>>338215883
>Doom 3
>Better than Doom 2016
Holy fuck no. Doom 3 is a neat little horror game maybe, but it's so fucking slow and the weapons are so unsatisfying. Not only that but whoever thought it was a good idea to make the camera go full on seizure mode when you get hit is a retard. It makes it to where you can't even fucking aim straight if you get hit once. Doom 2016 is literally original Doom updated. It's perfection.
>>338226651
>falseflagging
doom3 fans are retarded
