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Continued from: >>338130229
Well, I wanted a Zelda U thread but it turned out in a SS shitfliging. So, whatever, keep going.
Share hopes and dreams, fuck up your expectations and discuss the few actual infos we have about Zelda U. Or just sperg over other games in the series.
I like Skyward Sword.
>>338154651
Only smart person in the thread.
>>338155002
>and discuss the few actual infos we have about Zelda U
What infos? We don't have shit
>>338155002
Talking about future games you know nothing about is stupid.
Go play a game now instead of talking about games.
Zelda U worried me because Zelda has always suffered from empty overworlds. How is making a huge open world a good idea?
>>338155105
Literally Krystalposting
>>338155229
It's not
Devs think that open world = good thanks to shit like Skyrim or GTA
At the end of the day, open world is useless in these kind of games, specially for Zelda.
>>338155028
So what? What's the matter if someone likes a game you don't? Your life can't go on unless the number of people that like your most hated game outnumbers the ones that dislike it?
Wind Waker children HATES him
You literally can't have a Zelda thread without shitflinging. People even shitpost about features in the new game that haven't even been confirmed yet like genders.
>>338155229
>How is making a huge open world a good idea?
Xenoblade and Xenoblade X. Open worlds filled with stuff can exist.
>>338155335
Semi openworld should be something more used for this type of game. Uncharted 4 is a semi open world and it was excellent, and i think it would work nice with zelda.
>>338155387
Wind Waker children hate that this boss is better than anything in their shit game.
>>338155395
What can you expect from a franchise constantly taking such bold new risks? If you really like one Zelda, you're guaranteed to hate at least two other.
>>338155002
DELETE THIS
>>338155229
It is a good idea, if done by a competent developer. Component doesn't describe the people now in charge of Legend of Zelda. The original LoZ was pretty open for its time.
Quick reminder that the first boss in Skyward Sword was harder and required more thinking than any previous boss in any 3D Zelda.
>>338155478
Really? I like all of them.
>>338155478
>mfw I love each one of them exactly because of their differences
Fuck this world
I just want it not to suck.
>>338155590
>>338155596
LOL no you don't you idort
>>338155532
That edit was and still is shitty. Where are his ears? It's like the guy that edited it was twelve or younger.
>>338155478
>What can you expect from a franchise constantly taking such bold new risks?
>bold new risks
What risks? Every Zelda game is the same shit, go to X dungeon, kill bad guy and save le princess.
>>338155424
Having open level design does not mean a game is not linear.
>>338155409
>Open worlds filled with stuff can exist.
Xenoblade / Xenoblade X are not good examples.
>>338155708
I guess they listened to people's complaints about SS' areas being too restrictive even though I personally found them to be rather vast, especially when you collect shit in the silent realms.
>>338155589
Shame he and Koloktos were the only good bosses
>>338155589
Ghirahim was so fucking good
Nintendo really fucked up that decisive battle at the end though by telling you how to defeat him in the opening dialogue
>>338155845
>silent realms
>>338155761
They actually are. Mosters of very different types fill every zone of the world, a well designed world with different enviroments and many hidden places to discover and explore. Open World done right.
>>338155761
Why?
Let's resolve this immediately after the shit we went through last thread.
Do you like Skyward Sword or hate it?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10253508
>>338155848
Stalmaster, the pirate robot and this guy though
>>338155703
>le
Holy shit
>>338155002
Anyone got a good list of Zelda clone type games?
I'd like to know some that are like Zelda 2 specifically as well. I guess the old castlevania games are probably fairly similar.
>>338155901
I... Totally missed that, got my ass handed to me for 10 minutes before resorting to cheap shield-bashing. How are you meant to defeat him?
Oh yeah, remember that from today you can download the Medlii DLc for Hyrule Warriors, both on Wii U and 3DS.
>>338155976
Never played it, i didn't like the forced motion controllers.
>>338156038
>I'd like to know some that are like Zelda 2 specifically as well.
One Adventure Time game on 3DS, made by Wayfoward. I don't remember the name, maybe Ice King something something.
>>338155947
Fucking casuals. It was the Bug hunt from TP and gerudo fortress from OoT done right.
>>338155589
Shame we had to fight him 3 times because he was the only interesting boss.
>>338155976
I'll just scriptkiddy it to make my prefered option win
>>338156038
Okami
Uh
>>338156049
[laughs]
>>338155976
>No captcha
You fucked up
>>338156049
Nintendo says a lot of things
>>338156268
>It's already begun >>338156195
>>338155976
ABANDON THE POLL
>>338155976
Really unbiased poll there anon
>>338156181
Ice King Why'd You Steal Our Trash?
Will have a look, thanks.
>>338156216
Already played it.
I guess Ys is sort of similar. I should give that another go.
>>338156186
>WW's stealth section but in reused assets areas
>also you gotta do it like 500 times
>good
SS doesn't have any redeeming aspects outside of stamina
>>338155589
>I will torture you until you go deaf from your own screams!
>>338156287
>That picture
>That filename
Neogaf, pls go
>>338155589
>Simon says
Yeah real deep
>>338156268
Nice thumbnail, retard.
>>338156186
any sort of "forced" minigame sequences are annoying as fuck
make them optional and include some other kind of exploration or a proper stealth sequence
>>338156268
Nobody probably gives a shit but here's the captcha version
http://www.strawpoll.me/10253574
>>338156360
Yeah, that one. I guess Darksiders is considered a Zelda clone too.
>>338156515
See, my issue is that most SS haters clearly didn't even play the fucking game.
Ghirahim isn't Simon Says, he takes your sword and beats you to death with it. And if you piss him off he brings out his own sword and lunges at you with nigh-unavoidable attacks.
>>338155848
Demise was a good final boss DESU.
>>338155848
>implying
You're missing a good 3 other bosses who were also good.
>>338156763
He was basically TP Ganondorf, only he ruins Ganondorf in the process.
Hell they even rip off the whole stabbing him through the chest thing, the lightning was cool though.
>>338156648
Yeah, gonna play that soon. I've had it for ages but never got round to it. I got Darksiders 2 in that recent humble bundle so I might play both back to back.
>>338156608
>stealth sequence
Absolutely cancer.
>>338156763
I was genuinely scared because this wasn't someone you pelt with light arrows. Not someone you can smack around with a fishing rod or throw the book at.
This was the motherfucking king of swordplay.
>>338156763
>>338155985
>Demise is the only Zelda final boss I've ever died to
Is that a good or bad thing? His fucking attacks do so much damage.
>>338156718
Sorry, sorry
>Simon says+shield bash
Yeah real deep, I mean, MM's boss let you fight literally any way you wanted but Gay Zant is clearly deeper
>>338156865
>rip off
Pretty sure it's a reference, not a rip off.
>>338156943
stealth is good IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY
the first dungeon in WW was retarded because it was so precise and if you fucked up you had to start over from a checkpoint
>>338156763
>Literally TP's final boss, and ruined OoT Dorf as a character
real good.
>>338156958
To be fair, most Zelda bosses are utter shit.
I think that Majora's Mask is the only Zelda game with decent bosses and they are pretty shit too.
>>338156763
>>338156838
>05:05
>06:06
Hmm
>>338156969
Foreshadowing future events cheapens the impact of those events. See: Star Wars Prequels.
Demise was fucking cool and it was nice to have a varied and thematic villain. Ganon shouldn't have been a recurring element in the first fucking place, how come he's always the same if Zelda and Link constantly die and are reborn?
>>338157127
>inb4 i am a master of photoshop who did this in seconds
>>338156969
It's there as the "big finale", that's not a little referece, that's just them reusing something cool.
>>338157109
They're only shit in MM3D where they get stunned in like 2 hits and have the generic eyeball weakpoint
>>338157152
>how come he's always the same if Zelda and Link constantly die and are reborn?
Well, doesn't Ganon get sealed? That's not exactly the same as being killed. I also doubt Ganon can die. You know, dark magic and shit.
>>338157109
Hey. You. Fuck you. Zelda literally defined 3D bosses. For every unmemorable encounter there are 3 bosses everyone recalls.
>>338157152
>Demise
>varied
He's literally Ganondorf
>>338157236
Yeah
Unsurprisingly Majora's Mask is still the best Zelda, and the funny thing it was rushed.
>>338157302
>Zelda literally defined 3D bosses
Please, by all means, kill yourself.
>D-demise ruined Ganon
Ganon ruined Demise. This guy is much more threatening in terms of looks and gameplay than Ganon ever was.
>>338157341
If ganondorf was a lovely sausage with legs that dies from having an island dropped on it.
>People sperging over 3D Zelda
>When 2D Zelda are all superior to them
But I guess the average /v/ poster is too young to be arsed to play 2D Zelda games.
>>338157152
>Demise was fucking cool and it was nice to have a varied and thematic villain
He's literally just evil. That's his character and he only exists to cheapen Ganondorf.
>>338157437
>>338157341
Stop samefagging to get your point across.
Thanks.
>>338157394
He just looks stupid. SS had the worst boss design of all the games. He looks like an 80s horror movie prop.
>>338157227
>>338157152
I don't know. Ganon is somewhat the reincarnation of Demise and it's kind of cool how history repeats itself. It's kind of a buddhist ideal, the life being cyclical and the same things keep happening and happening.
Which is pretty much the stample of the Zelda series.
>>338157394
He's just an edgy black dude with a deviant art sword and fire hair.
He has no character to speak of, not even Ganondorf's shallow power ambitions. He just sort of exists.
He's even cheapened by the fact that you've already killed him at this point. You already beat the Imprisoned, you have to go back in fucking time just to have a final boss and even then he's like "uh ok let's fight I guess, I've waited like 100000000000 years so if you go fuck around for a bit before we fight that's cool".
So epic.
>>338157508
>>338157569
>He has no character to speak of, not even Ganondorf's shallow power ambitions. He just sort of exists.
He's the Evil itself. What's even to talk about.
>>338157407
Dorf has an ocean dropped on him.
Spoiler alert: The ocean is heavier
>>338157556
>it's kind of cool how history repeats itself
No it's not. It's just lazy as fuck and shows that Nintendo can't come up with new stories for their games to save their lives.
>>338157556
>Ganon is somewhat the reincarnation of Demise
This is such horseshit I can't believe people actually hold it against him. Demise gives some vague threat that bad things may happen and suddenly he's literally Ganondorf. Ever think maybe he was just being a fucking asshole?
>>338157429
ALBW and ST were shit
>>338157673
That's just boring though.
>>338157698
OoT's story was new. Majora's mask's too. And Wind Waker. Twilight Princess too.
>>338157820
Don't forget literally all of the handheld Zeldas. Although if you're only counting 3D ones that narrows the scope quite a bit.
>>338157679
How much does the ocean weigh
>>338157698
I don't expect a guy that thinks story matters in a videogame to grasp a simple idea, so I'll give you a (you) and get along with it.
Cheers
- John
>>338157861
A game which ends with "it was all just a dream" is not superior to a game with rehashed story. Or anything.
>>338157740
>ALBW and ST
>2D
>>338157673
That's fucking retarded. If evil is a living being then how can anybody do anything?
If Ganondorf IS evilness, how are characters in MM and OoT and the others able to act maliciously? How can thieves and criminals and women exist?
>>338157820
>OoT's story was new. Majora's mask's too
That's because Koizumi did the story for those. Well he did parts of Ocarina and he did the story for Majora.
>>338157740
>ST
>2D
That's 3D.
>ALBW
>Shit
Learn the difference between shit and mediocre, kiddo, then answer back to me.
>>338157886
10 times less than it would on land.
>>338157738
It's in the Historia
>>338157982
Only Link's Awakening ended that way. Minish Cap, the Oracle games, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and ALBW all had original stories AND original big bads. Although the big bad in the Oracle games does turn out to be Ganon and ALBW takes place in ALttP Hyrule, Oracles have an original world and ALBW has an original antagonist.
Story will be subpar as usual
Overworld won't be nearly as big as XCX or as well designed
Gameplay will still be the same formulaic simple garbage because Aonuma hates deep combat mechanics
Why are people even looking forward to this?
Zelda is just a franchise that loves to play ketchup with other franchises that have done the action adventure genre way better since years ago.
>>338157738
He literally says
"I'll never stop coming back and starting shit for you, Link. Now Nintendo has a canon reason to literally never stop using Ganondorf MUAHAHAHAHAHA!"
>>338158179
>other franchises that have done the action adventure genre way better since years ago.
such as?
>>338158196
There's no implication that he comes back as Ganondorf, though. Demise doesn't even possess the Triforce of Power, he has some weird Anti-Triforce.
It's more like he curses Link and Zelda to always be reincarnated and have SOMETHING fuck them up every time. Not necessarily Ganondorf, but there will always be something threatening the peace.
>>338158179
>Posts anime face
>Probably plays loli rpgs a lot
>Somehow thinks his opinions are worth a damn
>>338158179
>Story will be subpar as usual
>He plays videogames for the story
Pfff. Millenials.
>>338158257
Skyrim, according to Aonuma
>>338158257
Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, The Witcher, etc.
>>338158408
Zelda U is doomed
>>338158196
Demise is dead, dude. He sure took his sweet time if he came back as ganondorf.
OoT was great because of the plot and cinematics. It was early days for that kind of game, so it was a bit of a product of it's time, but every game since has looked to OoT and seen something else.
MM saw plot and characters, and doubled down on that, while using leftover ideas from OoT to flesh out the game. Arguably the quality was maintained.
WW saw a big world and not much else. Then it got it's development time cut in half because it was obvious the main market hated everything about it's presentation.
TP wanted to be heralded as the true sequel to OoT, but there was no where for that plot to fit, and they seemingly didn't have any writers who could actually make an engaging plot out of the game they had made. Overworld design was severely mismanaged as well, as artists spent months making a big old world only for it to be cut-out.
SS seemed to want to be 3D Remix, with separate teams making a segment each, but it felt aimless as a result.
Zelda U is just a waste of time.
>>338158347
>I will never stop coming back
>Also I am very clearly Ganondorf
Where's the fuckin' problem?
>>338158474
Don't worry, it will be like Dragon's Dogma. Replacing the stale, sterile nothingness of TES with actual gameplay and shit.
>>338156612
I like those results.
>>338158562
He only shows up whenever a Link is born, apperently.
It's fucking Zelda. Despite a few minor flaws it's going to be hype.
>>338158790
But SS was dogshit, and frankly, Zelda's "do lots but give none of it depth" formula is outdated as FUUUUUCK
>>338158936
SS was subjectively the best game in the franchise, though.
>>338158936
>But SS was dogshit
Nah, your opinion is the only dogshit thing here.
>>338157993
Demise was just the force of evil opposed to the Goddess being the force of good.
It's a fucking black and white fairytale, no need to overthink this.
>>338158936
>P-please pay attention to me /v/! - The post
>>338158565
>Zelda U is just a waste of time.
Wow, I didn't know your dad works at Nintendo.
>>338157556
Ganon being Demise's constant reincarnation is kind of retarded, especially because Ganon generally does not even reincarnate (bar FSA). Ganondorf in OOT was all the origin story Ganon ever needed.
>>338159081
Honestly I always saw Link as neutral. Unlike Zelda he doesn't get any actual powers from the goddess, he's just a kid who most of the time doesn't even wield the sword of Evil's Bane.
I mean, think about it, Darknuts are literally just generic armor-clad soldiers and they can fuck him up pretty hard. And Link canonically dies in one timeline so fuck fate.
>>338158790
This pretty much
>>338159081
>no need to overthink this
I pity people that care so much about story in Zelda (and videogames in general). It's like having a hobby like surfing and caring only about how your board looks. That's not the point, the point is surfing on the sea, not decorating the board. Videogames are not about story, come the fuck on.
Sure, it's fun to speculate about lore and shit but whenever I see posts like "That story is shit because *lists plotholes* and hence the whole game is shit by consequence" I cry a little.
>>338159275
>Ganondorf in OOT was all the origin story Ganon ever needed
Not quite. From where a simple sandnigger gets his powers and the role of triforce holder? Sure he must have some kind of ancient evil giving him that strenght.
>>338159568
How does Demise offer anything beyond that? He's just another generic evil dude. There could even be another evil dude before him and before that.
It's like the Master Sword's "backstory". Oh this mystical sword used to be ANOTHER mystical unexplained sword, that clears things up.
>>338159008
>>338159076
>Linear, piss easy game that's 60% padding
>Also story focused, with a story that is hilariously shit and predictable
Get some standards you fucking drones
>>338159157
They've spent all generation on this shit and what are we going to get? Wind Waker on land with less than nothing for the plot? I'd like to be proven wrong, but apart from Monolith's involvement, I can't think of any reason to even be hopeful.
>>338159443
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm quite a lorefag, it's just there isn't any deep shit to think about in Zelda games.
>Bad guy steals deus ex machina/conquers throne and fucks up the world.
>Go kick his ass.
>>338159681
That doesn't really answer my question. Where did Ganondorf get his powers? The fact Demise exists AND promised revenge against Zelda and Link and their genealogy actually give us a glimpse of how those powers might have been obtained.
I wish they find a way to bring her back.
>>338156763
it was a copy of TP boss with added directional wagglan, give me a break
>>338159887
But where did Demise get his powers? It's the same question.
Did we even need an explanation for Ganondorf's powers? Who asked for that? He's a typical evil wizard archetype in a magical world. Some things don't need a story dedicated to their origins.
I DO NOT WANT MORE MONSTERS WITH A HUGE EYEBALL AS THEIR WEAKPOINT.
SS' Monters Inc reject pissed me off, and the retcon of MM3D was the breaking point for me.
Fuck monsters with eyeballs as their weakpoint, and fuck whoever says that should be the norm.
>>338159568
He stole the Triforce when Link opened the gate to the sacred realm by unlocking the temple of time and taking the master sword.
>>338157394
>Ganondorf
>king of thieves in a land where 99% of citizens are sexy brown women that lost all their shit and live in the fucking sand while the rest of the world enjoys green leaves and breeze so he wants to for his people to be happy and to do so uses his weird natural power that ends up being one of the triforce pieces that he cannot control and thus ends up being evil
>Demise
>HURR I KIL U BECAUSE FUCK U
>>338159568
People in Hyrule have magic. It's not uncommon. Even fucking Link, a normal retard kid, gets magic powers.
The witch sisters probably gave Dorf some basic offensive magic (seen when he gives Young Link a small zap) and the triforce cranked his power level up to 11
Twili Zelda when? Bored of Hyrule let me save the land of Twilightand instead of Zelda we get Midna
>>338159887
Gee idk. Where did the warrior raised by magic witches get his magical abilities?
IT'S A MYSTERY.
>>338158347
>"An INCARNATION OF MY HATRED shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"
you fucking imbecile
>>338159681
Where's the problem with an evil dude just being an evil dude?
Do we need reasons and deep motivations for literally Satan in a basic fairytale about the fight between good and evil?
It's the fucking root of all evil, some ancient demon king opposing the goddess of creation Hylia. What else should he be than some evil dude?
>>338160148
>thinking Wind Waker's attempt to make Ganondorf seem like he had any motivation under than being a baddy counts
>>338160496
>Where's the problem with an evil dude just being an evil dude?
Maybe in the fact that evil dude being evil got stale 20 years ago you fucking grandpa.
>>338160496
But that tramples on a pre-existing villain. He just serves to undermine Ganondorf by arbitrarily tying him to some evil dude you see 10 minutes before kicking his ass.
>>338159568
he's a wizard
>>338160608
I was talking about OOT ganondorf actually, but I suppose you might think otherwise since wind waker ganondorf is technically the same person, wind wanker is shit.
>>338159937
Back to the drawthreads, autismo.
>>338160480
>not wanting to explore a land thats basically a hellish tron
>>>/out/
>>338159157
It's true I do work at Nintendo.
>>338158565
Good post son.
>>338160809
How come all twili look like shit but Midna is actually beautiful?
>>338160025
I like smashing eyeballs. It's painful and yet satisfying.
>>338160761
His only apparent motivation in Ocarina of Time was power and being a bad guy. Wind Waker retconned it to being "I hate sand"
>>338160878
Stop shitposting dad. No one is going to believe you work at Nintendo, especially when it is apparent that no one actually works at Nintendo.
>>338160906
To be fair the one time we see the Twili were during Zant and Ganondorf's butt fucking of the realm. Zant also looks similar so perhaps the residents were transformed/being affected by ganondorfs magic?
>>338160496
Evil dude just being evil is fine.
One specific nigger being the evil dude almost EVERY TIME is NOT fine. It's fucking BORING.
>Oh look it's ganondorf, I wonder if he's going to talk about wanting ultimite power agai-
>Yep there he goes
>>338160625
>Implying the guy who just wanted to make the world a better place through all means isn't as tiring by now.
Yeah nah, sometimes an evil dude can be just that. Like I said before you guys are trying to force depth into a basic template Zelda actually prides itself with following and then complain why it isn't there.
Go play Witcher or something if you want more than young lad kicks the evil guy in the butt.
>>338160991
>>338161038
I don't like sand too, it's coarse and gets everywhere
>>338161597
Unlike you
But Zelda hasn't been innovative since OoT, in fact OoT went back a few steps compared to ALTTP. And 20 years later we still don't have a game that's a true sequel to ALTTP.
At least Ys moved forward. The first game had like no combat options. Did you think they kept that? Fuck man. How can you even be excited for Zelda at this point?
>>338161884
Innovation isn't something necessary.
>>338156608
the controls were a forced minigame
>>338161337
That's like complaining about Bowser capturing the Princess.
Of course it's nice if that isn't the case for once but who even cares if it is.
>>338161958
>isn't necessary
Hey, it's my money. You don't tell me what is and isn't. Sorry I don't want the exact same game as 20 years ago.
>>338162061
Well, good for you. Good thing your opinion isn't fact nor law then. Thanks for your blogposting.
>>338162182
>good thing your opinion
I have literally only given objective statements.
>>338161884
MM played very differently than OoT, the masks were a pretty unique adition, and OoT made use of the 3D well, the first dungeon and the web puzzles were fucking great. I love LttP but not sure what are you talking about.
>>338162402
It's fine that you don't understand what I'm talking about. You're the prime audience for video games after all. With your age group and intelligence and whatnot.
>>338162498
Try elaborating on something instead of saying "X sucks" then.
>>338162641
Try not to strawman and I might consider you an adult worth talking to.
Too late ;^)
>>338162743
Except that's exactly what you said. "X doesn't innovate" isn't an argument.
>>338162879
>Except that's what you exactly said
>posts something different
Nice back-pedaling already.
>>338161982
Plaformer bosses are always garbage so nobody cares, and there's no story focus.
Zelda DOES have a story focus, and it DOES have the potential for good bosses.
>>338162972
That's essentially the same kind of argument, retard. "X is this" is just your judgement and not an explanation of why X is something. But since you're just shitposting, fuck off.
>>338161982
It's fucking boring, and it makes the adventure feel pointless because you're just doing Link's dayjob at that point.
>>338163063
>Zelda DOES have a story focus
eheheheheh
>>338155229
Xenoblade X may not be an example of JRPG story world done right, but it's a fact that Xenoblade X is an example of open world done right.
>>338157109
Majora's Mask had the worst bosses by far. Take off your nostalgia goggles for once
>>338163423
>2+ hours of cutscenes in TP
>2+ hours of cutscenes in SS
>no story focus
????
>>338163423
It does have a story focus, it just doesn't have good stories.
>>338163423
How do they not? The games are literally driven by a story
>Aonuma is bad for Zelda
>Miyamoto is bad for Zelda
Fuck it, who would be a better producer for Zelda series? Kozumi?
>>338163423
>a cutscene focusing on a developing plot every 20 minutes or so
>Not story focused
Are you retarded?
>>338163496
Not really, that one where you have to outrun with the goron roll was cool as fuck
>>338163102
>but it's the same
Nope, it's a strawman. You noctard
>>338164224
Yeah
>>338164287
The others were shit tier though
>>338163423
Zelda's literally Nintendo's AAA game. Heavily story-focused. There's a reason they went from 60fps to sub 30. Its priorities lie in graphics and cutscenes rather than fun gameplay.
>>338164224
>Kozumi
Yes. Either him or the woman who used to participate in the Zelda related Iwata asksF.
>>338163423
>>338163872
>>338163951
>>338164121
>>338164276
those long cutscenes were a mistake, the games were much better with less exposition since the stories are always the same, SS was heavily criticized for it, and so was TP for its slow beginning with lots of exposition
>>338164224
No one. Nintendo will die in the next two years so no more Zelda. Happy?
>>338164459
>woman who couldn't complete Link's Awakening without dying stopped ALBW being a direct sequel to LA
>an inconsequential change that isn't even reflected in the game
>she also thought the Oracles were prequels to LA
Why would she be a good producer?
>>338165250
That sounds better than how I would describe Aonuma.
Wind Waker had the worst dungeons
>>338165368
>man who couldn't find a single dungeon in The Legend of Zelda, and enjoyed cutting grass
>destroyed the series reputation
>he also thought the Oracles were prequels to LA despite overseeing them and knowing otherwise
Well anyone would sound better than Aonuma. Here's Koizumi for instance:
>man who wrote anything and everything people think of when they think Zelda
>almost solely invented the gameplay mechanics of modern 3D games
>he thought nothing of the Oracles since he wasn't involved
>previously joked about taking over so Aonuma could play a Zelda game
>>338165451
Wind Waker had the worst everything.
Aonuma is a good guy and he made solid games. No groundbreaking ones but still solid.
>>338166284
Wind Waker had the best art style and best Link
>>338166284
You forgot to mention that he considers Oktorocks to be the most tough and unfair enemies ever.
This is the man who has a say in how Zelda's combat and bosses are handled.
>>338166391
Not really. WW looks like garbage.
OoT/MM still has the best artstyle today
>>338166391
I like how consistent the art style is, since I feel like the 3D games since have failed to maintain that, with incongruous elements everywhere. But I don't really like the art style, and it was just lifted from an old cartoon anyway. I don't know what you see in Toonshitter Link, but to each their own.
>>338167112
Toon Link is expressive
>>338167397
>haha le silly anime faces
>>338163063
Zelda barely has a story focus, and when it does it detracts from the game. I don't know why so many Zeldafags are hellbent on giving Zelda a lot of story, the basic plots are serviceable.
>Liking WW triggers people more than liking SS
>>338167434
Pretty much. Though he feels less anime then every other Link
Reminder that complaining about ANYTHING in Skyward Sword other than the controls is invalid. It's the same shit as all the othet Zelda games.
>>338167579
Yeah I'll take toon Link over twink femboy Link any time.
>>338167681
I'd take a well made, dense game instead of an unfinished, padding filled mess.
>>338167397
So was N64 Link, just they had technology to make him do it outside of cutscenes now. If that's the only reason you like him, you should probably reconsider calling him the "best Link". But like I said, to each their own.
What are the Zelda games you simply got sick of? The ones that the mere thought of replaying make you nauseous? Wind Waker and Majora's Mask are those for me.
>>338168128
Skyward Sword. Wouldn't want to replay it.
I dropped Zelda 2 in a rage but I want to go back and complete it some time.
>>338168128
Twilight Princess and Zelda 1.
>>338168128
I've played through Majora's Mask one too many times.
The game's good, but I've had my fill.
Every other game in the series I could stand another 100% runSS included.
>>338168128
Skyward Sword is too much of a chore to play.
>>338168128
Skyward Sword and Wind Waker
>>338155761
You're only saying that because they're not interactive worlds. They're still filled with stuff. This new Zelda should have both.
>>338168128
All of the 3D Zelda games. The 2D ones you can just pick up and start playing, but the 3D games make you sit through hours of boring crap before you can play them.
>OoT
All of the Deku tree shit and then you have to beat the kid dungeons before you can even explore anything
>MM
All of the Clock Town shit and then you have to beat half of the game before you can do anything. It's packed with cutscenes, chores and boring dungeons to boot and you have to reset it all the time
>WW
Forsaken Fortress crap, you can't explore for shit until you have the Bow which is about 70% of the fucking game. Even then you just sail through empty ocean throwing bait to a fish until you find small-cave-island and copy pasted reefs.
>TP
4 fucking hours until you can actually play it, boring wolf shit you have to do
>SS
Literally on-rails with cutscenes, 6 hours of them until it begins
>>338155229
Yeah there's nothing to do in Zelda overworlds except fight enemies, get heart pieces, get bottles, fish, side quest, enjoy set pieces, hunt skulltulas, catch bugs, etc
>>338170272
Boring crap.
>>338157204
>seconds
>51 seconds
Well I guess you're weren't lying.
>>338161038
the OOT comics said that his thievery lifestyle was accentuated by the triforce of power that "raises" your personal feelings so petty thievery became desire to own everything and everyone or some shit
>>338163423
>miyamoto doesn't want story in mario games since he created zelda exactly to be the anthithesis of mario and be about stories
>it doesn't have a story focus dude! you just do shit for shit and gigs!
>>338172961
>miyamoto doesn't want story in mario games since he created zelda exactly to be the anthithesis of mario and be about stories
What is your source for this claim? Regardless in practice Zelda is pretty light on the story (unless you've literally never played a non-Nintendo game), and is actually worse when it tries not to be.
>>338170272
Some of that stuff isn't actually done in the overworld and the rest is pinpoints of content between miles of vast nothing.
>>338172961
I read about people avoiding E3 news because they don't want Nintendo to spoil Zelda for them.
Spoilers are a big issue now.
I hate modern gaming. This is exactly why we got Skyward Sword.
>>338169678
>4 fucking hours until you can actually play it, boring wolf shit you have to do
What? You should be entering the forest temple about 90 minutes in tops.
>>338155335
>Devs think that open world = good thanks to shit like Skyrim or GTA
Let's be fair here, devs think that open world = good because fans have been clamoring for it ever since OoT came out. It's the most requested thing in any Zelda thread before Zelda U was revealed.
>>338156763
He's an okay boss, but as a final boss he's extremely lackluster. Ghirahim is a better finale even though he's easier to beat.
>>338157998
Are we back to scapegoating already?
>>338156763
He was good up until you realize you're supposed to use the Skyward Strike, then the whole thing turns into a complete joke about on par with all of the other complete jokes of bosses in that game.
>>338155229
>Zelda has always suffered from empty overworlds.
Play the original game.
>>338155335
>open world is useless in these kind of games, specially for Zelda.
Kill yourself.
>>338175418
>It's the most requested thing in any Zelda thread before Zelda U was revealed.
People just wanted a proper overworld back, LOL.
>>338177954
They wanted Hyrule Field but bigger (like TP) and full of stuff to do (like SS.) They weren't clamoring for LttP's world back, they wanted the new world they'd gotten a glimpse of but more.
>>338175418
>devs think that open world = good because fans have been clamoring for it ever since OoT came out.
I never saw anyone wanting Zelda to go open world up until open world became the "cool" thing, which was basically just sometime in the previous generation.
Hell, back in the Ocarina days "open world" was barely even a thing. I'd say general audiences didn't become aware of that sort of game until GTA3, and it didn't become much of a standard outside of GTA clones until years after that.
>>338168128
Some parts of TP and WW made me sick, the wolf sections and tears of light, and the triforce quest, they're still good but flawed games. Didn't play SS
>>338170272
Enemies are pretty few and far between in overworlds, and they're just the same stuff you fight anywhere else. The exceptions are the pineapples in OOT and that crow fucker in Majora.
>bottles, fish, bugs
Oooohhh shiiitt content!
>hunt
What
>set pieces
Enjoy set pieces while traversing the overworld? What? Twilight Princess is the only one I can think of that you could apply this to.
>>338157301
Ganon fucking died in the very first game dude, and unlike Bowser, didn't come back in the Japanese version of the sequel.
The fact that Agahnim was Ganon in disguise was fucking dumb and permanently ruined the series.
>>338176467
>scapegoating
>Scapegoating (from the verb "to scapegoat") is the practice of singling out any party for unmerited negative treatment or blame as a scapegoat
>>338171081
Usually takes a good 15 or so seconds for 4chan to auto update in between messages since I'm not f5'ing shit myself.
Not saying it's not possible to edit an image like that in such a short time, but you have to be pretty paranoid to think that everybody can pull that off.
>>338179453
ALttP was a prequel tho
