Dark Souls 3 Lore Thread
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Have we figured out what/where/when Firelink Shrine is?
>>337956514
In the abyss.
>>337956514
In The Hunter's Nightmare
>>337956514
In the present. The dark one is in the past.
There. Fuck.
've got some lore questions regarding Humanity and the Dark.
The Age of Fire is the age of gods, right? What exactly do humans get out of it when their age is the Age of Dark? To me it seems the gods are always using you as a pawn in the games because the Age of Dark is terrible for them. But how bad is it for humanity?
And what is the difference between a hollow and an undead?
>>337957987
Present is in the future, dark is the now
>>337958167
I think a Hollow is and Undead who lost all purpose and went Hollow. Basically without goal you turn into a zombie.
Not sure if Undeads all have the Darksign, I think they do
No one knows how the Age of Dark actually is
>>337958328
That literally makes 0 sense.
I've got some questions I made while I was scouting parts of the map to get a better feel for the geography:
dark souls 3 questions:
What do the statues in profane capital represent
Where is the profane capital on the world map
Are the cylindrical and spiralling structures in profane capital reminiscent of any other dark souls game's structures?
What is the significance of the one pair of statues who hold a long pole, and could it be part of yhorm's machete, as it looks similar?
Is the kiln in profane capital surrounded by the three aristocrats, specifically the "profane flame"?
why is the greatshield of glory, crafted for syan for his giant slaying exploits, found in the profane capital, a shield that descibes "glory begets indolence" could this be related to yhorm and his "descendance from conquerors" could they directly be referring to dark souls 2 giants?
why do the charred corpses in the profane capital area, presumably a result of the profane flame "disaster", still bleed?
Why are the crabs in smouldering lake embered?
Why is the shield of want in smouldering lake
Why are there candles lit to the left of the sandworm?
What are the ghru, the mutated and rotted descendants of farrons legion doing in demon ruins?
>>337957987
Except you don't teleport to Untended Graves, which you do for Firelink.
>>337958479
Go to Untended Graves again. Something like that, with the Abyss taking free reign wherever it likes.
What was Alva doing in Irthyll?
>>337958637
You know what i'm going to say don't you.
Time is convoluted and stuff.
>>337958658
The Abyss is NOT the Dark.
>>337958658
But the Abyss is not synonymous with Dark, it only started spreading after Oolacile idiots opened the grave.
>>337958479
It's not called Fire Souls Anon. Miyazaki put the fucking canon ending in the title.
>>337958636
I don't think we even know what the Profaned Flame isDLC SON
>>337958685
>karla
>found in irithyll dungeon
>one of her spells "Dark Edge is described as "Passed from mother to daughter"
>karla's ashes describe her as "The spurned child of the Abyss never dies, but phases in and out of its fringes."
>karla also can teach you abyssal fire magic, which makes her unique amongst dark souls 3' npc's
>karla who is found in irithyll dungeon, surrounded by the jailer aristocrats
>the jailer aristocrats who are the last remnants of profane capital
>why would they be so fiercely guardian (8 of them) one npc?
>why would the remnants of the profane capital have motivation to keep karla jailed?
>profane capital
>thousands of burnt scattered bodies in the throne room and surrounding
>implies something to do with fire
>profane capital known for the profane flame
>andre describes the profane coal as having remnants of the abyss in it
>abyss - profane flame
>abyss - flame
>abyssal flames
>karla, the spurned child of the abyss
>alva, seeker of the spurned who we find at irithyll dungeon
>why would he be looking for karla?
>alva, known for his relationship with the black witch zullie
>zullie who knew black magic
>dark edge implies it was handed down from mother to daughter
>high chance that karla is zullie and possibly alva's daughter
>profane flame
>pontiff sulayvahn found the profane flame after yhorm's collapse trying to put it to rest after he became lord of cinder
>pontiff sulayvahn who grows tree wings in the fight
>pontiff sulayvahn - tree wings - profane flame - abyss
>abyss - kaathe - londor - londor pilgrims
>londor pilgrims notably have the stones preventing the growths on their back
>londor pilgrims are at lothric high wall
>tree hollows with branches spouting out like wings are at high wall as well
>after the three cinders of lords are retrieved, "pilgrim" butterflies appear, who look like hollows who have spouted large eldritch wings
>notably their attack in the dragonslayer armour fight involves a flame that looks dark red
cont.
Is Solaire in DS3?
>>337959125
>yhorm the giant
>descended from a lineage of ancient conquerors
>his capital seems to be somewhat involved with dark souls 2 characters, notably laddersmith gilligan, alva and potentially zullie
>he himself bears resembllance to the dark souls 2 giants, if lacking of the "face"
>a message in his room describes "Only a storm can fell a greatwood."
>notably the giants in dark souls 2 appear to grow into trees eventually
>but why?
>of the other tree like growths, pontiff sulayvahn, and the londor pilgrims, we can see that it might be related to hollowing, londor itself being related to the abyss and a land of hollows, pontiff sulayvahn being implied to have hollowed by way of taking more damage with weapons that do more against hollowing
>dark souls 2 giants, approaching hollowing may "lose their face" in a way, and eventually sprout roots, in this sense they would literally be hollowing
>yhorm in his state is newly risen, awoken by the bell which awoke you, aldrich, abyss watchers, siegward, anri and hawkwood
>siegward is implied to have awoken with you, knowing that this signals the time to fulfil his promise
>his promise?
>to kill yhorm should he be corrupted by the abyss or fall to the profane capital again
>yhorms red eyes and general maddened state, his lack of familiarity with siegward all give this credence
>yhorm is in effect a descendant of dark souls 2's giants
>pontiff sulayvahn discovered the remnants of profane capital, found out the association with giants to the profane flame, and contacted drangleic's remnants, which is why their are two drang warriors in the courtyard, and why you find the llewelyn gear in cathedral of the deep, a place where aldrich's influences, and by large pontiff sulayvahn's connections are tied
>the paintings of nashandra and the kiln are relics from drangleic to display this
>the greatshield of glory, crafted for syan, who lead the fight against giants but was slaughtered is found in profane capital
Lil' Prince Lothric used to play at the untended graves as a child because he's a sad emo cunt. When he became a big boi he wanted a replica of where he used to play as a child but this time with a cute waifu in it, that's how The Firelink Hub was born.
INB4: DEEPEST
>>337959125
Calm down, man. I already read all of this in the last thread
>>337959016
Yea, but it still doesn't explains what the Age of Dark actually is/looks like.
Although it seems to me it's the Age of Ancients, since IIRC the Firekeeper says something along the line of "flames will eventually emerge, even in Darkness", which is what happened in the AoA
>>337958842
Not inherently maybe.
>>337958949
Not untrue, sure.
But i've always believed that an age of fire, at it's strongest, would hold back the Abyss.
>>337959217
In some essence.
I wont ruin the game for you, and seriously don't read onwards unless you have fully completed the gameevery single lord of cinder manifests itself as a test for the player at the end of the game
>>337958167
The original form of ALL human like creatures are Hollow. The Lords got Lordsouls and the humans got Dark Souls from The Fire. They transformed from hollows into humans or Lords.
The Fire fuels all life in the world. It fuels the power of souls as well. As the fire wanes, the Dark Souls lose power. Humans get "the curse", which is them losing their Dark Soul. They become Hollow. The fire must be recharged to remove the "curse". Pure speculation, but since Dark Souls are tiny weak things, they probably burn out first. Lord Souls are more powerful, so they last longer when the fire wanes. If the fire dies completely they would die out too probably. The Lords would return to Hollow.
So the Curse isn't some disease like leprocy. It's turning back to your normal state. Humanity, and having a mind is the abnormal state of the universe.
>And what is the difference between a hollow and an undead?
An undead is in the process of turning Hollow. They still have some memories and minds. If they keep eating Dark Souls they can stave off going hollow.
>The Age of Fire is the age of gods, right? What exactly do humans get out of it when their age is the Age of Dark? To me it seems the gods are always using you as a pawn in the games because the Age of Dark is terrible for them. But how bad is it for humanity?
Don't listen to the lies of the Jews. They just want to bring about The Abyss everywhere. The Age of Dark is likely just the age of weird Dark Monsters everywhere.
What is The Deep?
The Abyss? It seems to be water related, but not just water
>>337959267
Anon, we know what it looks like. The Untended Graves are in an Age of Dark, when no champion came forward to link the fire.
I don't know how common the belief is, but right now I think Ludleth was the one that ended that and started a new Age of Fire.
>>337959397
Doesn't the Dark Soul becomes more powerful as the Fire weakens?
I'm pretty sure it does
>>337958479
>>337958167
Expanding on Hollow/Undead.
You become undead when you get the Dark Sign. You are still you though. But you slowly begin to lose your mind. Many of the mad NPCs you find are on the brink of turning fully hollow.
When you turn fully hollow, you go feral. But you'll notice that many of the hollows you find are wearing armor, and fight the way they did when they were alive. These are recently turned hollows. The longer they exist, the less they act like humans. They forget how to fight. Their armor rots off and drops.
The oldest hollows are those in rags. The older ones than that are likely the mad ones who don't even attack.
So it's a process.
>>337959397
>The Age of Dark is likely just the age of weird Dark Monsters everywhere.
Sounds just like the Age of Fire to me..
>>337956514
Yeah, it's your home base where you can go to sell your items, upgrade your weapons and estus, and learn new spells.
>Lorefags honestly think the devs put any real thought into lore in the series
I beat NG+ with a character, ended up having about 40 VIG, END, STR, and DEX
I want to try a magic build, but my friend is also starting a first playthrough. Would it be a good idea to respec, then join his game with a new set of skills?
>>337959441
It deals with Dark and Humanity based spells, so imo it seems likely. I'm not sure where the link with water comes from, but yeah I caught something like that too.
Maybe the Abyss is sealed under water? Who knows, maybe it'll come up in DLC.
>>337958636
>Why are the crabs in smouldering lake embered?
>What are the ghru, the mutated and rotted descendants of farrons legion doing in demon ruins?
Dark Souls 3 enemy variety sucks ass so they just copy pasted enemies from area to area.
>>337959267
>Yea, but it still doesn't explains what the Age of Dark actually is/looks like.
You see New Londo and Ooracle? That's what it's like. Darkwraiths patrolling everywhere stealing humanity. Darkness. The Abyss.
It's not a fun place. The Snakes are LYING when they say this is the "Age of Men". Technically true I guess. Men become Darkwraiths and they fight each other and everyone else to be King Darkwraith with the most humanity. But is that where you'd want to live?
What is the fucking point of keeping the world in DS alive?
It is eternally fucked as long as the flame is burning, the age of dark is just natural evolution reboot that NEEDS to happen.
Bloodborne's world was changed by ayylmaos but still functions.
Demon's was just Boletaria being cut off from the rest of the world.
So why?
Why no brong age of dark finally, why is it considered "bad" ending.
>>337959738
The best indicator that they really do put a lot of thought in to it is by comparing vanilla DaS with AOTA.
>>337958531
Time is relative to where you're standing tho. Just your left is my right if were facing each other
>>337958636
>nothing, they are just random shit from stuck in to desperately try to make profaned capital not look like shit
>its underground
>nope, profaned capital is just a random zone thrown in by from to be an extra zone, it doesnt
have any significance
>the statues are irrelevant, they were created by an unpaid intern desperate to leave work and chug a liter of asahi before enduring yet another mindless day at fromsoft coding bit assets.
>no its the same as the ones every where else. the profaned flame is referenced in many zones in conjunction with many bosses and is clearly just a throwaway lore term that has no overarching purpose besides the director telling the writers to throw it into their daily product at one of the meetings
>its found in the profaned capital cuz yhorm is a giant, no other reason, From isnt very deep
>because they are a copy paste model from another zone and they bleed in those zones
>to make them look different from other crabs. They arent actually embered
>to give players loot for exploring
>because candles are fucking everywhere in ds 3. They think it makes it look cool and gothic. Really just fucking retarded. Especially in the archive where they would burn all those books down after just a few minutes.
>Because they didnt feel like designing new enemies for a hidden area, lazy shits.
>>337958167
The Age of Dark is a mixed bag. You're right that the Gods are influencing humans to extend the Age of Fire for their own livelihood and power, but the main thing is that most humans just aren't prepared to deal with life in the Age of Dark (if you could call it that). More than anything, the fear of the Gods has conditioned them to be afraid too.
But that's just the perspective of most humans. What actual danger does the Age of Dark pose outside of fundamental changes not only to lighting, but the concepts of life and death itself? That depends on who assumes the mantle of the Gods in the Age of Dark.
Oolacile and Manus shows us that a rampant and wild, corrupted Age of Dark is a fiercely predatory environment. The only humanoids you meet still alive are either vultures like Chester or possessing great martial ability such as Cirian or Hawkeye Gough. The Age of Dark is horrible if it is corrupted by the Abyss, which is independent of the dying of the flames. The flame wasn't dying when you go back in time to Oolacile.
But, the Untended Graves of Dark Souls 3 shows us a different Age of Dark. There are dangers there, yes, but they're located in what has arguably been the most post-apocalyptic place in the Dark Souls universe. And even then, you find a lonely old lady in Firelink, living peacefully and undisturbed. Though we don't know what fundamentals of life have changed with the Dark, we know that it still goes on.
An undead is someone branded with the darksign. A hollow is an undead who has lost their human features and is not in posession of humanity, and are in constant danger of going mad should they let despair eat them up.
FLS IS IN THE FUTURE
EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN THE SAME PAST THAT UNTENDED GRAVES IS IN
GUNDYR ARRIVES AFTER YOU PLUNDERED THE LORDS, TAKING THEIR HEADS WITH YOU TO THE FUTURE
>>337959993
Age of Dark is just age of purge.
Everything that dark soul created will vanish as the flame is out.
It will be eternal darkness until world is not ready for rebirth.
>>337959441
The Deep:
Aldrich had a vision of a age of the deep sea
His covenant ranks up by giving human dregs to the archdeacon in the water reserve
dregs:
the remnants of a liquid left in a container, together with any sediment.
Described as the heaviest part of a human body, literally because it's water, and it will sink to the lowest depths imaginable, the deep.
You kill cathedral trespassers in dark souls 3 to gain more dregs, and give them to the deacon.
But like all covenant items you have to ask "why do they want these?"
And the answer is simple:
>aldrich saw a vision of the deep sea
>decided to suck the human dregs, or water out of every human, or turn them into water whatever
>aldrich stores this in the "water reserrve" in anor londo
Aldrich's plan is literally to turn every human into a sea
great deep soul description
"Archdeacon McDonnell, a sorcerer himself, delighted in the cathedral's stagnating souls. For him, they represented the glorious bedrock of this world.
it's interesting they use the term bedrock to describe the process
>>337960009
I know this goes against the lore, but I wanted to see at least one place unaffected by the Curse for something unique. Like a Holy land of some sorts. The further you proceed into the area the more the land/people are affected by the Curse.
>>337960009
>What is the fucking point of keeping the world in DS alive?
So that people can live their lives in peace without zombie apocalypse. Between the age of fire ending there are centuries of normality.
Dark Souls world is just our world's entropy just sped up like a billion times faster.
The Age of Dark is just New Londo for the whole world. Don't believe the lies of the Snakes. They are destroyers of civilizations who work behind the scenes to wreck everything.
>>337959397
>he original form of ALL human like creatures are Hollow.
you fucked up in the first sentence
they are pygmies in the beginning
The fuck you doing
I got a piece of exclusive lore for you.pickle pee is best crow and best girl
>>337960613
You are wrong.
At best ot buys few thousands of years and it doesn't remove the curse of undead/hollow.
It doesn't remove the demons.
World in Dark Souls is vegetable being kept alive just so it can mumble something once per x years.
It needs a reboot no matter how drastic.
Age of Dark doesn't literally mean there won't be any light source.
It means that Dark Soul will vanish.
>>337960613
but literally everything is ds is a zombie. You wander around for hours and hours and hours and everything you find attacks you for no fucking reason. There is no normality and absolutely no civilization. Its just an endless trudge through ruined hallways killing enemies and then killing more powerful bosses, only 5 or six of whom actually have some lore related reason to fight
Are the cycles a result of a plot between Kaathe and Frampt, or are they the natural result of their struggle?
Are they working together, or fighting each other?
What did they do in the Age of Dragons, prior to the rise of Gwyn?
>>337958796
I hate this shitty cop out so fucking much.
>>337959397
Undead/Hollow is definitely not Humanity's natural state.
We don't know what Humans would become once the Age of Dark actually starts.
Untended Graves is just a fucking laziness n From's part so they can reuse a location.
No matter what it doesn't make sense from any standpoint as you just drop there from Lothric castle.
>>337959673
I love when this stuff has fun little meta implications.
>All of the characters you've made and kept but don't play as are them in a further state of hollowing.
>Every character that someone made who then quit the game have completely hollowed.
>>337960210
>The flame wasn't dying when you go back in time to Oolacile.
Yes it was because that was the first outbreak of the curse
The curse in Dark Souls 1 was the second outbreak of the curse
So I finished the game today.
Is the normal version of the End of Fire ending canon? It's gotta be, right? I mean everything is looping in this series. The age of dark is inevitable and now it finally happens. But just as the Firekeeper mentioned, fire will come back at some point and everything will start again.
Just like at the beginning of Dark Souls 1 where everything was dark and suddenly fire appeared. It's an endless loop.
>>337961337
It's more to present the player with questions on the timeline aspect of the whole situation
>>337960840
>you fucked up in the first sentence
>they are pygmies in the beginning
The creatures you see in the intro look, act, and move like Hollows. They're hollows. Why assume some new race called "Pygmies" exist? use Occam's razor please.
And what is the Curse other than removing your soul turning you into a hollow again? It fits perfectly.
>>337961076
DS games take place during the waning of the flame, in areas where zombies have taken over. This is not normal. When the fire is strong, civilizations flourish. Life is normal. No different than what you see around you now. Would you not want to save that?
The world we see in DS games is the world at it's absolute worse. So don't judge it like that.
>>337961096
We don't know how old the Serpents are. They might be much older than any of the cycles. Gwyn's cycle might not even be the first.
I see no reason to take the explanations given to you about them as reasonable. The Serpents work to bring about The Age of Dark. Why? Who knows. They might be nuts, or serve some other master. Frampt befriended Gywn and changed sides. He likes humanity. He wishes to continue the age of Fire.
Guys it is simple.
Age of Fire = Benefits gods and higher beings.
Age of Dark = In the end would benefit humans (as they would emerge after all gods and other beings died).
No more souls.
No more rebirth.
No more bidding of gods.
After few aeons humans would become what we pretty much are.
>>337961421
oh god, all my DS2 chars. I've abandoned them to rot
I am pretty sure between DS1 and DS3 at least 10000 years have passes.
How the FUCK is Andre alive in any way,shape of form?
>>337961621
>the age of dark would eventually result in Lordchan and Catarina shitposters
SUNLIGHT FOR LIFE
>>337961337
The transition to it could have been a lot better, i'll agree with that at least.
Right now it's either "you walk trough a door and go back in time" or "you walk through a door and see the real firelink, but that doesn't make sense because in this one area the age of fire has ended".
Obviously I think the first one is right, but it still makes little sense with the way it's constructed. Time and space in convoluted indeed.
>tfw too lazy to recolor properly
>>337961874
hollows are completely immortal.
>>337961874
memes kept him alive
Firelink is behind lothric castle.
When you warp to the high wall it's on the far side of the castle, firelink and untended graves are kind of a peninsula/outcropping jutting away from everywhere else.
On a related note, looking at the structure of the belltower above firelink, could it be a derelict version of undead parish? It kind of looks similar when you stand at the bonfire before Iudex at the beginning.
>>337961584
>The creatures you see in the intro look, act, and move like Hollows. They're hollows. Why assume some new race called "Pygmies" exist?
Are you fucking retarded. Pygmies aren't a new race.
It is explicitly stated that everyone were pygmies in the beginning.
They are literal nothings, the start.
Until they get souls they become what ever is assigned to them.
Hollows are only to Humans. Pygmies who gained the Dark Soul became Human. Once the curse happened, they are branded with the darksign. They are now Undead. They can not die but the next best thing to dying is going Hollow. They are still undead but they lost all their souls/humanity/motivation etc and is now HOLLOW.
Pygmy is the very beginning and Hollow is at the end.
>>337961874
Could have easily have been awoken from his grave at the same time as the player character. Notably Blacksmiths seem to be very resilient to hollowing too since smithing is always needed so they never lose their purpose.
>>337961543
>>337961337
At the first Firelink Shrine/ Unattended Graves you can see Lothric castle at day time.
After you defeat Oceiros, which is during the whole sun eclipse thing, you drop down to a 2nd Unattended Graves in complete darkness.
Fister frank is the most powerful being..
>>337961621
But I don't understand. Age of Dark is literally just the world in complete darkness. Nothing lives, right? At the end of the day it's fire that powers life into the earth, without it it's just an empty dark place. How would humans live? They'd stop existing until the fire comes back again like in DaS1.
>>337962118
>It is explicitly stated that everyone were pygmies in the beginning.
Where did they say this?
>>337961584
I think he meant a diminished state. if every one cant be in a diminished state because diminished in relation to what?
pygmies are tiny islanders whos dietary habits have caused them to evolve in to slightly smaller humans.
>>337961874
WELL, YOU SEE, TIME IS CONVOLUTED..
>>337962118
i want pygmy poster to go and stay go
they were called pygmys because, in relation to literally everything else, they were tiny and inconsequential
imagine if ants called themselves the faggariki or something in their shitty little ant society, do you think we'd stop calling them ants
>>337962118
Why do the "pygmies" in the intro look exactly like hollows?
>>337962250
Considering those were all of the things rising when the fire was gaining power, and it later describes the furtive pygmy as having taken a lord soul as well, they were likely all pygmys before allowing the Lord Souls to change them (except of course for him). Kaathe later met the Pygmy and was like 'yeah dawg, age of dark sounds cool let's do it'.
>>337962015
This shit should've been handled differently.
You break illusion after illusion after illusion and then you pass weird barrier into Unatended Graves.
Once you get Fire Keeper Eyes, you can dispell the illusion the Fire Keepers are casting on the world and see it in it's "real" state.
Aka literally no sun.
Eternal darkness.
No return.
Would be great way to turn DS3 into nightmare.
>>337961584
>Gwyn's cycle might not even be the first
Nah. It's definitely the first, because everything was gray and craggy and shit and then the first flame was discovered. It might take place after an ashen one super far in the past pulled a betrayal ending, but that's just pure speculation.
>>337960407
I'd like to say
The reason you collect human dregs is because it'S described as the heaviest part of the human body
And what happens when you put something heavy in the water ? IT goes deeper faster
>>337962440
>>337962369
He's called Furtive Pygmy because he's tiny and weak. Easy to ignore. The others turned giant and got cool super powers.
>>337962471
If the fire completely burns out it turns into the Gray and craggy world of dragons and hollows. The beginning of DS is thus just the end of another cycle. The cycles may in fact even go on infinitely far into the past.
>>337962435
Because what makes a hollow?
A Hollow who lost all his souls
Whats a pygmy. A being who has no souls
A hollow is essentially reverting back to pygmy state
WOW ROCKET SURGERY!
>>337962369
See above
>they were called pygmies because, in relation to literally everything else, they were tiny and inconsequential
before obtaining the Lord Souls. The former pygmy lords were
Tiny and inconsequential to the Stone Dragons
LIGHTNING
>>337962250
Whos the holder of the dark soul
Isn't Furtive Hollow now is it
Hope to fuck you guys don't visit vaati or some shit because you guys sound like his fans.
The Serpents are obviously one hydra creature.
We will likely fight them as a boss fight.
But it won't be in the DLC. Because that's too final. DSIII DLC will jerk uss around and give us some hints but will resolve nothing. They will want to leave the door open for sequels in the future. They might take a 10 year break, but there will be more Dark Souls games.
And killing the Serpents would be something you'd do in an endgame scenario. Kill the Primordial Hydra. Find out he works for some bigger bad. fight that guy.
>>337962771
From my understanding the "cycles" as they're referred to ingame are just the world yoyoing between Frampt's perpetuation of the age of fire and kaathe's age of dark/man. There wasn't really any indication until das3 that there could be a greater cycle with the inclusion of the betrayal ending.
>>337958479
>Not sure if Undeads all have the Darksign, I think they do
>"The Darksign brands the undead..." - DaS intro
I'm pretty sure they all have it.
>>337959234
So?
>>337958637
>>337958796
Pretty sure everything is in the past aside from firelink shrine, archdragon peak and kiln of the first flame, since you tp to high wall of lothric which is connected to everything else.
>>337962448
>shamalamafingdong tier tweest
>>337961327
>Lord of Hollows
I wonder what humans would be in this Age...
Was Aldrich originally just a normal guy? When he first started eating people, was he literally eating them (i.e. fork and knife style) or was it a metaphorical consumption?
And why the hell would he want to link the fire?
Are the Dark ending in DaS different from the one in DaS3? Is the Usurpation of Fire the same thing as The Dark Lord ending in DaS?
What does that make of the End of Fire?
>>337964156
He didn't want to link the fire, its implied he was forced into his position due to his strength.
>>337961524
In the end all the endings gives you the same answer:the First Flame is over.
Usurper is the only with some small little twist with consequences we can't foresee.
>>337964156
remember what anri said, that he wasn't turned into a lord by choice but because of his power.
>>337964156
Yes
And this >>337964313
>>337964447
fuck, not anri, it was hawkwood i think
>>337964447
Not Anri, Hawkwood
So is giving tongues to Rosaria corrupting her or is the method of rebirth corrupting her? It seems Leonhard wanted to protect her from you, suddenly, because you're too much for her soul?
>>337961584
Americans can't understand that two names can be given to the same thing in different contexts. You won't succeed convincing all of them.
>>337956514
>place a message down in firelink
>it doesnt appear in dark firelink
>place a message down in dark firelink
>it appears in firelink
Its in the past. Jesus.
>>337959441
The Deep sounds like 'Dark' but without human influence. The Abyss is explicitly linked with Manus and humanity going wild and shit, and they used water to imprison 4kings and darkwraiths.
>>337964625
Leonhard is just a nut. He kills her because he's secretly a Princess Guard and wants to take her soul back up to gwyneveres chamber in anor londo to restore her to her original glory.
>>337964289
No
You walk away from the flame to let it die out in 1
and you take the flame into yourself in 3
You would think they would be the same but walking away allows the flame to still be reignite causing more age of fire
in 3s, you steal the flame into yourself where it can't be reignited again and is forever inside you
>Soul of Aldrich
>Can be used to make Darkmoon Longbow or Lifehunt Scythe via Soul Transposition
She's gone isn't she?
>>337964625
Leonhard is just obsessed with Gwynevere and think that can use Rosaria to ressurrect her since she is the mother of Rebirth.
You are not corrupting her, just giving her a tongue and she checks if it's hers. I think it was the prince who took her tongue though.
>>337965024
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
>>337965024
Blah blah blah miracles are just stories and Aldrich dreamt about her that's how he has the miracle blah blah fluffy tail blah waifu blah blah etc.
This has been hashed out over one trillion times.
>>337965024
nom nom :3
Okay someone help me out here:
>Who the fuck is The Nameless King? He moves, acts and has a moveset reminiscent of Ornstein, YET you find his armor with no body and saying he was searching for him.
>What's that building you see from the big weapon thingy in the Smouldering Lake?
>Why are all the fragments of the abyss reincarnated as women if Manus had a dong?
Contributing to the thread, did you notice that all the black goop in Aldrich's room is actually a mess made of blood and corpses?
>>337964652
>pointless nationalism post
>>337965370
>Who the fuck is The Nameless King? He moves, acts and has a moveset reminiscent of Ornstein, YET you find his armor with no body and saying he was searching for him.
Main belief is that he's the Sun's Firstborn. It's pretty ironclad.
>>337965271
Her getting killed off screen is such a bitch move. We never even knew anything about her.
If regular firelink is in the future and everything else in the game is in the past/present, how do NPCs warp between the two like nothing is up?
>>337965370
>Who the fuck is The Nameless King?
There are a couple of theories. Gwyn's Son, whom the broken statue of the Warriors of Sunlight covenant was originally of, who lost the annals of history.
Alternatively, or perhaps in addition to, Faraam the war god who switched to the losing side in Gwyn's war against the dragons.
>>337965370
Nameless King is the First Born Son of Gwyn
You can find Ornstein's armor or body? near by the belfry bonfire. Ornstein is said to be a student of the First Born and a follower. It's implied he went on a search for the First Born
>>337965703time's convoluted
>>337965583
I'm joking honestly, we don't know that she's dead. As someone else pointed out, the Lifehuint Scythe seems to be the result of seeing a vision of Gwyndolin's.
>>337965583
She didn't died offscreen. Calm down, he just dreamt about her while feeding on Gwyndolin.
She may be still locked in the painting after all these years.
>>337965703
By it not being in the future. I've still not been convinced by this.
Also this >>337965830
>>337965370
>Who the fuck is The Nameless King? He moves, acts and has a moveset reminiscent of Ornstein, YET you find his armor with no body and saying he was searching for him
Gwyn's son
>What's that building you see from the big weapon thingy in the Smouldering Lake?
Smouldering lake is Ash Lake + Izalith fused together
>Why are all the fragments of the abyss reincarnated as women if Manus had a dong?
Maybe he always wanted qt daughters, who knows.
>>337965839
More to the point, it is rather telling that lifehunt scythe miracle is specifically JUST the power of the lifehunt, not the actual physical scythe itself, which would make for concrete evidence that she was et by aldy. The fact that it's specifically a miracle, which are divine stories, but stories nonetheless, seems to run counter to the belief that Priscilla was consumed by Aldrich.
The opening cutscene displays 3 lords of cinder rising from their graves.
Where are these graves?
I remember anri saying that aldrich's was in the cathedral of the deep, but I couldn't be certain what structure it was
They all look like they rise in the firelink shrine graveyard area, but there doesn't appear to be exact equivalents there.
The abyss watchers could just be rising in farrons keep, but Yhorm especially, I have no idea.
How the fudge is Yorshka the sister of Moon Fuckboy?
>>337966179
Yhorm is probably the big Coffin in the arena you fight Gundyr.
>>337966179
Aldrich woke up in the deacons boss room.
Yhorm probably woke up near the profaned capital or something.
>>337959125
>>337959234
This is very nice
I knew most of this stuff but seeing it but together in such a neatly tight way makes everything much more clear
>>337966179
Aldrich I believe is in the room whrre you fight deacons, not sure about abyss watchers, but my theory is that yhorms grave is the giant stone coffin with a tree on it in iudex's arena.
>>337966179
More importantly, why did the intro not show Ludleth or the Twin Princes?
>>337966298
She's not
>>337966469
They never Linked the Fire.
The intro only shows the ones who did.
What was his fucking problem?
>>337966550
All the item descriptions say otherwise
>>337966469
Because they refused to link the fire
and thats why the other four awoken.
>>337966469
Ludleth was probably already sitting his charred ass on the throne.
Twin princes didn't link the fire so they never woke up from the dead or anything.
>>337966469
Ludleth wasn't a boss. Twin Princes refused to be Lords.
>>337966083
>Smouldering lake is Ash Lake + Izalith fused together
Nah, i mean when you are already up there with the big fucking crosbow, theres a hole in the cave and you see a building in the distance
>>337966604
Reminder
>>337966604
He just couldn't wait to be king
>>337966850
Pls post a pic because I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>337959234
So ponty was mad and everyone tried to kill yhorm because he hallowed and hallowing is bad
>>337966604
>no armour
pretty lame desu
Why Yuria choose AO to be a king candidate in the first place?
>>337966850
It's the irithyll dungeon entrance.
The only issue is, that they rushed the development, so that smouldering lake can't be seen from the irithyll dungeon-distant manor bit.
Which is pretty frustrating honestly.
It's interesting that smouldering lake is effectively underneath irithyll
>>337966678
She's not and I know what they item descriptions say.
It is possibly that she is saying it in a religious tense like how you'll call your priest father and a nun sister.
Gwyndolin is probably her father because when Aldrich ate Gwyndolin, Aldrich dreamt of Priscilla while doing so.
Yorshka looks like Priscilla and possibly her daughter.
Gwyndolin protected Yorshka and Yorshka inherited the Darkmoon covenant when Gwyndolin was gone.
Why would you believe Yorshka when she thought you fucking flew to her? She's naive and trusts anything you say.
Yorshka wasn't around in Dark Souls 1. How could her father be Gwyn. Think bro
>>337966678
It might not be his biological sister though
Yorshka's chime says this
>A sacred chime belonging to Yorshka. Her brother, the former knight captain, presented her with this medium together with another gift: her name.
If she was Gwyn's daughter then she wouldn't need trapboy god to give her a name.
>>337959581
Dark can't exist without light.
>>337967178
Because nobody can resist that ashen cock
>>337967209
>>337967215
My theory here. Yorshka is not her real name according to the chime. So...bear with me.
What if she isOcelloteand an actualHE.
After all, he's the only character we know that was on the run and missing. And considering Gwyndolin backstory, him raising another being as a she (like he was) is not far fetched. And used him to fill the hole left by Priscilla incarceration. She was clearly in his thoughts even in death if we take Aldritch miracle as a base.
>>337967194
Thanks senpai
>>337967591
That sounds good
>>337967591
people like to dismiss that theory but i never see any evidence against it being plausible. i personally like it, and yeah the item descriptions and bit about how Gwyndolin gave Yorshka her name... i mean, it could work
>>337967209
She's probably not really his sister, but she explicitly says older brother.
Again, this is a Japanese game, and they could be being liberal with big brother and was probably an older brother mentor. Does DaS3 have jap audio like BB?
Just remember that lore is seasoning, not meat.
>>337967860
I dont believe it does
And you could be right. This could be Mizayaki writing "Big brother" that any person would call a brother figure in japan
>>337958636
Im not sure about the Lothric linking the fire part since somewhere it says he didn't but otherwise i think this one checks out
>>337967908
Why is the webm not of him stealing someone else's work?
>>337967591
My personal headcanon is that Gwynevere after giving birth to Ocelotte, took her/him away from Oceiros and gave the child to Gwyndolin so he could give Ocellotte some semblance of a normal life and not be a lab rat for the king like the other 2 sons tbqh.
>>337961874
He awoke when the bell tolled, just like you.
>>337968140
because it's him entering a souls thread.
>>337958167
The age of fire is all just a meme, used to control the humans. Aldia proved that if people just ignored the rekindling they could accomplish great things like actually curing the curse, but you kill him anyways because "muh fire".
>inb4 dark souls 2 is banned from discussion by the hivemind
>>337968193
What really gets me scratching my head is why theres another maiden in Dark Firelink, her voice sounds different, like she's a separate person to the Firelink maiden
>>337967178
Because he's an ashen one that regained the dark sigil/darksign after resurrection as a champion of ash, which meant he could usurp the fire.
Basically you get to be a super-hollow. Instead of just bursting into kindling when you try and link the flames, your corrupted ash-undead body taints the fire.
>>337965779
the war god is Gywn's sun
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Ring+of+the+Sun's+First+Born
>>337968658
Again, Dark Firelink is in the past. It's the same maiden, younger.
>>337968658
She is separate. You kill her, she doesn't come back
>>337968593
When 3 convalidate tree Aldia and the Crown powers you have permission to use it in discussion. Until then it's worthless.
>>337968140
>le vaati is a plagiarizer maymay
fuck off back to r.eddit
>>337968658
Its the same woman
If you NEVER talk to the firelink shrinemaiden and talk to the abyss one first
go back to the firelink shrinemaiden and she'll state that she remembers you
>>337961137
Especially since it wasn't even originally intended to explain lore at all. It was just a cool in-universe explanation for why coop can happen, but then in dark souls 3 they used it to put literal nostalgia pandering in.
>>337968658
It's the same Maiden.
She has a different dialogue if you only speak with her after checking Untended Graves first. Time travel bro.
>>337962176
darkness isn't Dark
Dark is the absence of flame and would presumably be like the age of dragons except with humans instead of dragons
>>337968842
Fuck off Vaati you absolute cunt
>>337968842
>fuck off back to the place where they suck vaati's cock
Okay Vaati, you can fuck off anytime
Is an Ashen One/Unkindled One just a dead person who was awoken by the bells to start on the quest to re-link the Fire?
Does the bell wake all dead people up?
>>337968842
Go to bed vaati
>>337968849
>being that kid
>>337968842
>defending content stealing patreocucks
>>337956514
Why does Firelink look so different from DaS to DaS3
>>337959397
>he didn't pay ANY attention to Aldia's dialogue in Dark Souls 2
Nigga, Aldia was studying human's affinity for flame and the original linking by Gwyn. He gives you all the info you need to debase the whole "dur Age of Dark is bad" or "dur Age of Fire is bad."
He tells you that Gwyn used his power to merge the Dark Soul, which was the Pygmy's domain and therefore the true affinity of all humans, to a great lust for flame. This is how he gets powerful undead to link the fire every time it's on the verge of fading, because his soul and the souls of the gods have an affinity for flame, so dark would be shitty for their power.
>Peace grants men the illusion of life.
>Shackled by falsehoods, they yearn for love, unaware of its grand illusion.
>Until, the curse touches their flesh.
>We are bound by this yoke.
>As true as the Dark that churns within men.
>All men trust fully the illusion of life.
>But is this so wrong?
>A construction, a facade, and yet…
>A world full of warmth and resplendence.
However, because of this, even an Age of Dark doesn't spell out the end of humanity's problems. Because the curse that Gwyn put on humans is so strong, fire will be born one day even out of an Age of Dark. The fire keeper in DS3 tells us this even.
>The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire.
There is no good ending to all this, world is shitty either way. Weirdly enough, I kinda like the Hollow Lord ending that we got, because while linking the fire removes the curse for awhile and renouncing it will only bring about another Age of Fire in the end, the Hollow Lord ending allows humanity to embrace their true affinity for Dark, as, like you said
>The original form of ALL human like creatures are Hollow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7zv_my0JA
This proves Vaati's innocence. You guys are just haters!
>>337968842
Get off /v/ Vaati, you're not liked here or anywhere except your shill channel.
>>337968842
>deleted
Yo, vaati.
Am I the only one that hates it when youtubers like Vaati try to sound mysterious or dark? I just want normal talking.
>>337969076
i wish i could suck vaati's cock. he;s uncut yeah?
>>337969230
Dark Souls 2 is incoherent mess. I have no clue what the plot of the game even is.
Other than "there are tons of cycles" it's completley ignored.
>>337969102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5mHuSFRzZM
Is the Curse-Rotted Greatwood into Cock and Ball Torture?
Why does he make no attempt to cover his ballsack and just spread his legs and allow you to slash and smash at his delicate man eggs?
What does it mean?
Could it be a metaphor about man's self destructive nature?
Is Miyazaki trying to hell us his kinks?
>>337959524
I dunno, it strikes me odd that there are Black Knights in the Untended Graves.
Like there was some hostile take over by the Gods
>>337969283
he's Australian so of course he sounds dark and mysterious. Australians are never up to any good
>>337965370
You must be literally braindead to not know who NK is
>>337969508
That doesn't make sense desu senpai
>>337968658
Same woman. My theory on firelink vs darklink is that:
>Lothric was supposed to link the fire in this cycle, but refused
>Gundyr went to take his place but was too late - fire was too faded and needed the flames of lords of cinder to get another cycle going
>Alternatively, the fire's been rekindled so many times at this point Gundyr found out that one soul just wasn't enough (which could also be one reason Lothric decided not to bother linking the flame)
>So the Ashen ritual gets used instead
>That's what we see the firekeeper doing in the opening cinematic
>Shrine maiden makes her way to the untended graves (or never leaves them, being undead or whatever)
>Firekeeper enacts the ritual and gets sucked into a pocket dimension firelink along with the shrine maiden
>Andre gets resurrected and put to work as the shrine blacksmith
>You get rezzed as an ashen one and the game begins
So it basically acts like the hunter's dream. Based on a real world place and summons in real world people (doll exists in both versions) but exists outside of time to allow the protagonist to serve their purpose.
>>337959217
Hes the final boss
>>337969616
I also cringed when I watched a video of TerraMantis on Manus. Jesus Christ that was horrible
>>337969735
Ha. Partly true I suppose.
What if the dragons were the good guys all along?
>>337969616
>Australians have no originality and only steal other peoples work
>Lore
>Memes
>internet connection
Somebody please try to coherently answer these, I'd be very grateful:
-If Lothric and Lorian didnt want to kindle the fire and didnt, why are they Lords of Cinder if they havent kindled the flame?
-If all the Lords of Cinder are resurrected, why isnt Gwyn, the first Lord, resurrected?
-Why isnt the Chosen Undead resurrected (if the canon ending is him linking the fire)?
-Did we awaken Gwyn after ringing the two bells of awakening in Dark Souls?
-
>>337969230
>However, because of this, even an Age of Dark doesn't spell out the end of humanity's problems. Because the curse that Gwyn put on humans is so strong, fire will be born one day even out of an Age of Dark. The fire keeper in DS3 tells us this even.
>>The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire.
Interesting how you took it that way. I interpreted it more as
>Fire dies, but embers remain
>No more reliance on gods and central fire and all that jazz; people instead muster up the fire within and become their own embers
>>337961874
fanservice is strong and can keep people alive for 10000 years
>>337969735
Solaire's soul is inside the Soul of Cinder
>>337957987
They're in the same time and space because if you make a stain in one it appears in the other.
>>337956514
Ludleth created the lit one over the dark one so there'd be a new chance of linking the fire.
>>337969887
t. nameless king
Would they be friends?
>>337969230
>Gwyn used his power to merge the Dark Soul
What the fuck does that even mean?
Where did you get this info?
I know all the other stuff "al lie will remian a lie blah blah blah"
But i can remember nowhere Aldia mentioning anything about Gwyn doing anything with a dark soul
>>337969913
I think that the Bells of Awakening in the first Dark Souls only awaken the giant who opens the door to Sen's Fortress.
>>337960009
You know how, in the real world, our technological growth and dependency on fossil fuels are unsustainable, and we are scrambling to find and develop new viable sources of energy?
It's like that. We have a status quo, and we want to maintain it. We'll do what it takes, and what it takes is respectively to link the flame, or switch to wage wars for more oil and/or switch to nuclear/solar energy or some shit.
>>337969913
Being a LoC doesn't mean you have linked the flame. Like Hawkwood said Aldrich never linked it, but is one due to power.
The ones that are resurrected are presumably the most recent ones.
The ones that are not resurrected, are instead resurrected as the oversoul of those who linked the fire. Soul of Cinder
>>337961874
We don't even know what all those other Andres were back in Ds1. My guess is they are probably some kind of animated vessel, like a golem or something.
>Usurper Ending
>First Flame fades.
>Become Dark Lord
>Use servants to gather the Dark Souls.
>Undead curse breaks thanks to the Dark Soul being gathered
>Immortal thanks to the Dark souls
>Spread controlled shards of humanity so
small population stays human.
>People start dying.
>Babies are born due to more space/resources
>Autonomous society using thermal energy(demon ruins)/Crystal magic
>Many years pass
>Still in position of total power
>Become paranoid
>People become tired of your rule/monitoring
Think Big Brother
>Technology advances further, powered by
crystal magic.
>Dark Lord develops military tech to completely
crush resistance.
>Some time passes.
>Strange flame is found by some rebels.
>Lord souls dispensed by strange flame.
>Rebels see chance to usurp dark lord, return flame to the world
>Dark Lord wants to maintain status quo.
Enter Armored Souls.
More futuristic Dark Souls with actual implications at the end. Exo suits may or may not be included.
>>337970314
Aldrich linked the flame forced by Sullyvahn though.
If the present time happens when Lothric and Lorian live, there's no reason for them to be called Lords of Cinder after you kill them, and there's also no reason why they have an "embered" fiery second phase.
>>337969683
Nah, Unkindles have been a thing for looong time before we arrive. It doesn't start with the game.
And i personally think Gundyr was tricked. Someone set him up since from his description, his armor and weapon were clearly made to withstand the test of time. So whoever sent him there, knew he would be locked in those Graves for a long time.
>>337970314
Hawkwood said that he became a LoC because his absurd strength made people scared of him and so they decided to lock him up and make him link the fire in some attempt to kill him, not because he wanted to link the fire out of good intentions aka virtue like everyone else.
>>337970545
Hawkwood said Aldrich never linked the flame. But is only a lord of cinder for boss might
>>337959125
>>337959234
Someone explain what the fuck did he mean by this.
That Karla burned the capital? that she profaned the flame? that the profaned flame is abyss shit? that Sullyvahn is hollow/ing? that hollows turn into trees? that giants can hollow?
I dont understand shit.
>>337970683
>Hawkwood said Aldrich never linked the flame
He never says that.
>>337956514
Am I crazy to think that this whole bell ringing when the flame is threatened retcons the age of dark DS1 ending?
>Chosen undead ditches the fire and leaves it to die
>Time-bending bell bullshit happens, ashen ones get summoned in
>Kill chosen undead, use his soul to rekindle the fire anyway
To me it makes more sense than this bullshit about ages of dark being followed by ages of fire. Would also explain why Kaathe wants the fire usurped this time instead (since leaving it to die is futile and all).
>>337969913
>-If all the Lords of Cinder are resurrected, why isnt Gwyn, the first Lord, resurrected?
He is, everyone who isn't the ones we fight is inside Soul of Cinder.
>-Why isnt the Chosen Undead resurrected (if the canon ending is him linking the fire)?
Same as Gwyn.
>>337970683
No, he said 'he was made a Lord not by virtue, but by might' Basically, he wasn't a good guy who linked the fire to help people, but someone that was strong enough to link the fire, so he was forced to
>>337962448
>tfw the flame itself was an illusion all along
Would be quite a dark realization
>>337970683
I thought he said he didnt link the flame by might but by power
This means he was a shit-ass nigga but was forced (by Sullyvahn) to link it because he was powerful enough
Also he's dead and resurrects from his tomb in the intro, and has a fiery phase like all other Lords of Cinder.
>>337969887
Name ONE thing Dragons have ever done to be usefull to the world
>we don't like change
>muh grey
>muh before time was better
Seath was literally the only one of them capable of thinking and he opted to kill them too
>>337970924
Chosen undead linking the flame is the canon ending.
And it doesn't matter if you left the fire to die in DaS1, someone later would've linked it anyways.
>>337971029
Usefulness came with the great souls left by the serpents probably.
Before that concepts were nonexistent and pigmys didnt have a will
You're the stereotype of fedoracore.
Seath was an angsty fag that didnt want to die because he had no scales.
>>337970805
Yhorm destroyed the Profaned Flame by throwing himself with it in the First Flame.
Turns out, it backfired and killed everyone in the Capital, burning all their flesh.
What is this?
And what is this?
>>337971326
Oceiros arena.
So if L&L's barbecue ran away from their dad to a far away castle (iirc). Why is it that their dad is in the basement?
>>337971029
Well, the world didn't have an eldritch location slowly swallowing literally everything with no chance to stop it back when the Dragons ruled everything.
Nameless King did nothing wrong.
>>337956514
hey vaati
>>337971326
Farron Keep / where you fight the Undead Legion fags and where you enter the catacombs.
>>337971448
Nah, thats the big building you see underneath the Dragonslayer armor bridge. That image is the AW Mausoleum i think and >>337971417 i'd say is the entrance to the swamp
>>337971326
Oceiros arena or the place where you fight the Abyss Watchers.
>>337971417
Farron Keep IIRC
>>337971503
Blame it on Oolacile
>>337971326
The boss arena with the abyss watchers.
>>337971417
Miscellaneous church. You can see another one in the fog behind it.
Its where all the memes end up after they die
>>337971192
>Usefulness came with the great souls left by the serpents probably.
I might be fedoracore but at least i don't make up my own headcanon
Yea seath was angsty as fuck but at least he was the only one that did anything other then try to kill everything that wasn't his kind.
Archedragon are literally braindead, they are more like a force of nature then actual beinges
>>337971720
Indeed, my mistake there, you are corret.
>>337971780
>>337971736
Ah yea, the Abyss Watchers arena, I remember
While I'm at it, what is this settlement in the distance?
>>337971773
You mean Kaathe.
>everything is fine, grave is all quiet and nice
>snake comes in
>"Yeah goys, just mess with it, there's power there."
>"Oh no, they failed me."
>>337972242
cut/ unused content.
And what are is the city in the distance in the mountains, and the church in the lower left?
>>337972242
dlc/cut content
Here's a little thing I made to help explain the difference between the Abyss and the Dark. It's arranged as axis, with the Age of Fire and Age of Dark being opposite. Chaos and the Abyss are really a separate axis all together, but they sort of lean towards the side they benefit the most from.
The Age of Dark is kind of a misnomer because it's really more of the age of grey, before disparity. It's a return to the time before the first Flame where nothing happened and everyone was in the shitty in-between state of being Undead. The First Flame and it are opposites in the sense where the Age of Dark is the absence of fire. Gwyn is obviously the strongest association with the Age of Fire, but Pygmy can't be associated with Dark in the same way Gwyn can be with Fire.
The reason for this is that the Pygmy and Witch of Izalith are more directly opposed in the Chaos vs. Abyss issue. Chaos is the Witch's corruption of fire into demons. The important thing here is that Chaos and Fire aren't necessarily the same thing, but Chaos depends on Fire for its source, and is sort of everything wrong with too much fire.
The Abyss is the mirror image of Chaos and Fire, but for Dark instead. The Abyss is the Pygmy's Lord Soul corrupted in the same way the Witch's was, running rampant and instead getting the most benefit from the absence of fire. The Pygmy going batshit insane and becoming Manus caused the Age of Dark to go from being grey-depressed-time to black-sludge-horror-time.
There are some problems with this, namely Nito being almost completely ignored and my lack of understanding of how Humanity can work in a world with no fire, but I'll leave that to you all.
>>337972242
Probably Irithyll since it's close to the mountains.
>>337972340
Anor Londo and Undead Settlement is in the lower area of the screen.
>>337972340
Irithyll of the boreal valley,anor londoand archdragon peak
>>337972329
Serpents and their dickery. What do they have to gain?
>>337972351
Nito is on the Fire side with Gwyn.
His gravelord sword is a miracle and is on the side of the Way of White or close
>>337959676
Age of fire x 10
>>337971172
Miazaki said that even if you chose the dark end Solair will link it.
In his time or yours, it doens't matter
>>337956514
>link the fire ending
>it's not an ending at all
>your character is consumed by the Flame but fails to link it
>the Soul of Cinder carries your burnt body to the cemetery of Ash
>the bell tolls once more, and the lords go whitout thrones
>you awake once more as some Unkindled Ash, unfit even to be cinder
>>337972474
I really
REALLY fucking hope we get to fight them in the DLC as true end game boss
They know some shit we don't and it has been pissing me off since DaS1
>about to link the fire
>everythign goes dark
>you get surrounded by a thousand sepents
>in their second fase you see that they are all conected hydra style to one body
>>337972474
They are the most elusive thing to discuss and everythin about them is speculation territory. There are references though.
Dark Souls 3 have hints saying that Snakes could be earlier form of Dragons. And their name "Primordial Snakes" is also a good hint about how primeaval they are in the world.
So, what could something that exist since the Age of Ancients want?
About that, no hint exists. But Kaathe clearly don't enjoy the Flame. I'd say he wants to go back and is tricking everyone, selling the idea that a Dark World is up the corner, when in truth, the end is Grey and that's what he's seeking.
>>337959804
>3 years from now
>faggot spends his entire life studying dark souls lore like it's some sort of ancient religion
>has a revaluation
>the crabs were the bad guys all along also Jews
>>337972474
They are the only ones who can travel the Abyss and be completely fine.
If the primordial serpents = imperfect dragons theory is true, then they are spreading the abyss everywhere so they can rule the world after centuries of being jelly of the everlasting dragons.
>>337972242
Irithyll.
>>337964156
I think he literally eats them but it got to the metaphorical sense once he started eating gods and inheriting power and shit.Is Aldrich Smough?"
>>337972842
SO WHY THE FUCK ISNT SOLAIRE RESURRECTED AND HAS A THRONE IF HE'S A LORD OF CINDER
>>337973484
DLC isn't out yet, buddy.
>>337959765
Why would the abyss be under the deep? What type of retarded shit in this
>>337973465
Nope, he started as a mere cleric in the Way of White.
>>337973465
Aldrich isnt Smough.
Smough got rekt by the chosen undead and Aldrich was a high ranking priest of the Way of White.
Then he became goo and sorcerer Sullyvahn (probably first scholar of the Grand Archives) declared himself Pontiff and manipulated Aldrich into linking the flame
>>337973484
If he did link the flame then he's part of the Soul of Cinder like everyone else.
The Flame only brought back to life those gud enough to link it again.
>>337973484
The bell only ressurect the most baddest dudes in history.
>>337973232
>But Kaathe clearly don't enjoy the Flame.
The more interesting part comes from his change in motivations over time.
>Oolacile: Open up that coffin and release the abyss
>Dark souls 1: Snuff out the fire
>Dark souls 3: Steal the fire for yourself and make the world undead
My best guess is similar to yours, but basically more along the lines of
>Let's convince this ubiquitous race of warriors that we're on their side, then get them to corrupt their minds and become abyssal horrors
>Then rule the world with our undying legion of shambling horrors
>>337973626
It worked for New Londo
>>337974134
Have you read the deep gem or do you just want to be a ignorant retard? The deep is beyond the abyss and darkness
>>337974225
The Deep is bait for Dark Souls 4, which will take place either in space of underwater
>>337973484
>>337973790
>>337973801
I just thought of something
Why is it that the bell only rings up the people it does?
IF Soul of Cinder really is everyone that has ever link the flame shouldn't Yhorm, Ludleth Andrich and the Watchers be in him too?
and how come they have the power to be fule if they already burnt all of it the first time they linked the fire?
It doesn't really make sence to use burnt wood as fuel
>>337973689
>Sullyvahn (probably first scholar of the Grand Archives)
Nigger what Sully has nothing to do with lothric Aldia is more likely then sully
>>337974516
>Lothric statue litetally wielding Profaned sword
So behind Oceiros' arena, we find snakepeople and an armor like this, similar to Archdrake Peak.
How are they related to Oceiros, or possibly Untended Graves?
>>337974470
Actually burnt wood is a better fuel.
What doesnt make sense is people saying Lothric didnt link the fire when he did with his brother Lorian.
>>337974712
Drakeblood knights worship dragons, Oceiros too.
Snakepeople are dragonbros too, imperfect dragons actually, as stated by the serpent ring
What's more interesting to me is why are there Lordvessels scattered throughout the game
>>337974640
Source nigger both soul stream and all the teachings of lothric learned made him hate the flame. Why the fuck would Sully want him to link the flame like aldrich? There is no purpose behind this and if he did why would he break the bridge to lothric and send Vodrt to starve them out so no one can enter or leave the town. On top of all this Lothic has his own fucking sword
>>337974470
>IF Soul of Cinder really is everyone that has ever link the flame shouldn't Yhorm, Ludleth Andrich and the Watchers be in him too?
Lords of Cinder didn't link the flame, dummy. Aldrich became one just for being a cannibalistic fatty.
>>337974225
Not sure what you're aiming at here, doesn't say anything about abyss
>>337974890
>>337974640
>Why the fuck would Sully want him to link the flame like aldrich?
Wouldn't he want him to link the flame like aldrich my bad typo
>>337974470
Who says that they weren't part of it?
The flame looked at the Soul of Cinder like a catalog and said to itself "I need the baddest dudes who can link this shit again ASAP" and brought back those 4.
And turns out for the surprise of no one, that they don't want anything to do with that shit ever again.
>>337974930
Lords of Cinder are literally the guys that linked the flame
People that didnt arent lords of cinder
>>337975026
Why do you think they fled the thrones because they didnt want anything to do with that?
Both Yhorm and the Abyss Watchers seemed to have good intentions but were corrupted.
Ludleth apparently is willing.
>>337974890
Can`t find better screenshot now, but you can find it in High wall of Lothric http://67.media.tumblr.com/ebe0cd878d444de9cb908a4d84240882/tumblr_o5n9rutyWA1tt3wuco3_500.gif
>>337975051
Lothric never linked it
>>337974723
It say nowhere that Lotrich actually linked the fire
In most cases his item descriptions say that he didn't
His sowrd
>Young Lothric was meant to be a champion, and was expected to wield this platinum sword, but some things will remain distant dreams forever.
>MEANT to be champion
>EXPECTED to wield this
>>337975026
Also, it's clear that the flame didn't brought them back all at once but over the course of years maybe decades.
>>337975157
Yhorm and the Abyss Watchers have gone insane/corrupted by abyss fuckery
Ludleth at the beginning is completely traumatized by the fire but he eventually comes to terms with himself.
>>337975187
Nothing points at that being lothric or the profound greatsword, but lets say this is the case if sully didn't want Lothric to link the flame explain why he made Aldrich link the flame, Destroyed the bridge to lothric town/castle and sent Vordt to starve them off and make sure no one got in or out?
>>337975215
>>337975198
It makes no sense that he is a Lord of Cinder if he didnt.
He DID, but with the help of his stronger brother, leaving him crippled.
Only now he doesnt want to burn again, that's why he says the mantle of Lord interests him none and that he is cursed.
If he didnt link the flame FROM created a giant gaping hole, because it says LORD OF CINDER FALLEN when you defeat the brothers
>>337975198
Lothric never linked but he was a special case, his whole life he was groomed to be a Lord of Cinder.
Hell, the entire Lothric line was obsessed with that shit to the point of making crazy experiments to get the perfect heir.
>>337975157
Abyss Watchers are tainted.
Yhorm is in grief and mad by what happened to his people in the Capital.
Aldritch wants to eat the gods and prepare for the Deep.
Ludleth is a hack. Kill him and talk to him after returning to Firelink to see how his tone and dialogue change. He fucked up in the past and probably didn't even burned himself willingly.
>>337975412
I think it is in the best interest of Sullyvahn to make people link the flame to enable him to rule over the world.
In fact Sullyvahn may be the sole Souls character with a power that can compete with the Primordial Serpents and maybe actually did.
>>337975412
Better quality. It`s Lothric. With Profaned GS.
I also think that his mentor was Aldia, but I can`t understand why his statue wielding Sully`s sword.
>>337975561
What does Ludleth say when you kill him?
>>337975468
He was prepared to Link. He just never did. He's a unique case among the Lords of Cinder.
The intro shows everyone who actually Linked the Flame (except Ludleth who isn't a boss).
>scifi souls will be Blame! souls
what the fuck was going on in the end of Blame!, anyway? So Killy gets shot in the head by evil-Killy, then falls into a pool of water, and then somehow a girl spawns? Is that the net carrier gene? Where the fuck are they in the final panel, and where are they going?
>>337975670
Yes exactly he wants people to link the flame when Lothric didn't. Him not linking the flame is what caused all this bullshit and why the bell rang at the start. Notice how the intro says everyone rises besides Lothric.
>>337975468
Jesus christ, he was born cursed.
His brother became crippled and mute after he decided to share his brother's curse too in some twisted case of brotherly love or something.
Lothric never linked the fire, the entire reason why shit is going down is because the prince didn't want anything to do with that shit.
>>337975670
The first scholar taught lothric not to link the flame that doesn't agree with what you are saying right now.
>>337975856
Lothric did literally nothing wrong, linking the fire is for chumps
>>337975974
Kaathe pls
>>337975771
Some PTSD stuff. He's clearly describing his experience when he burned himself. But it's the tone of a coward suffering, not of a Lord all mighty like he has when he normally speaks with you. There's clearly more to his story than meets the eye.
>>337975974
He really didn't but he went the worst possible way.
Should've joined with Aldia and tried to find a way to stop this shit once and for all instead of retreating to a castle with his onii-sama
>>337975804
>>337975827
>>337975856
>>337975925
But then why is he considered a Lord of Cinder?
That's a shitty game error isnt it?
Why do you need his ashes if he didnt burn in the first place?
>>337976226
>why do you need his ashes if he never burned
because his ashes still have the necessary power to link the flame, despite not burning. he was born and bred for that exact purpose, after all.
>>337976226
He is consider a lord of cinder because he was born and groomed for it from birth. His dad was obsessed with making a lord of cinder one of his heris he deiced it would be lothric, Lothric even has the same power as the ashen one to become emebered.
>>337975764
I think Sully was the first scholar.
Also, Profaned Greatsword is a ceremonial sword. Makes sense perhaps that Lothric could wield it in ceremonies if Sullyvahn was around.
Not a "Scholar of the First Sin" or anything like that, just a powerful sorcerer (as it is confirmed Sullyvahn was)
What the fuck are the pilgrims and what do they do
>>337976226
Because he was prepared to be one. That was supposed to be his fate but the prince ran away from it.
And so your job is to secure his power and finish it.
It's the whole reason why you were ressurected.
>>337976187
>implying that they're going to acknowledge Aldia outside of vague, non-specific references that just state that he existed at one point
>>337976496
Sully can't control both aldrich making him link the flame but tell Lothric not to link the flame at the same time faggot.
Reminder that Aldrich was just going to be the generic blob boss monster but Miyazaki couldn't get it how he wanted originally. So they dedicated two areas, took a shit all over Anor Londo, and raped lore just for the sake of a pile of mud.
>>337976226
The game already says why, his entire life and raison d'être was to link the fire.
He was created to be the perfect heir of the Lothric line, everything pointed out to him being the ultimate badass linker of the fire but shit went horribly wrong.
See his ashe's description:
>The Lothric bloodline was obsessed with creating a worthy heir, and when this proved impossible, resorted to unspeakable means. Suffice it to say, the path to linking the fire is a cursed one indeed.
>>337965583
she's 100% still alive
>>337975468
And exactly where does it say that LoC HAVE to link the fire?
I get what you are saying it sound stupid.
I didn't believe it at first either but all the evidence point towards Lotrich never haveing linked it
If you see the Into he is not even mentiond as one of the people the linked the fire like Yhorm, Aldrich and the watchers
He got convinced othervies probably by Khate of Frampt seeing the statuse in lothric castle
And the reason Lorian is crippled is because he joined their souls so Lotrich could live.
the reason for Lotrich being sick is because their father the former king wouldn't fucking stop with the LMAO DRAGON SONS.
OCCOLET XDDD
Also they don't have the read eyes like yhorm and the watchers and seem relatively sane
>>337976187
>Should've joined with Aldia and tried to find a way to stop this shit
How? He is cursed and ill. He is probably non-human, and the way how Bearer freed himself from cycles, wouldn`t work for Lothric.
Also, look at his kingdom, it`s fucking shit. Civil war, religious fanatics, slavery. Better let that thing die.
>>337975374
>>337975157
Yhorm did nothing wrong, except when he forgot that Giants are not allowed to link the fire and melted all his people.
And then he got salty
HEY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT - YOU - GUYS NEED???
>>337976634
Maybe Sullyvahn wants to wreck Lothric now that he's powerful if Lothric doesnt want to link the flame.
>>337960009
I think the idea of DS1 was:
>It's time for the age where man rules supreme (fire goes out as per natural order)
>The gods selfishly hang on and keep the fire kindled
>The chosen undead is to snuff out the flames, hence why the Dark Lord ending is so much better
>>337976641
>raped lore
>in dark souls
Grow up.
>>337976152
He is the Soul Feeder as described in the ring he drops and we are giving him boss souls, this will bite us in the ass for sure.
Soul Eater DLC boss?
"One of Courland's transposed wonders. Derived from the soul of a Soulfeeder."
Easier to be detected by enemies.
"The Soulfeeder was a beast that insatiably absorbed souls to feed its own power. Even after its accursed corpse was burned, it is said that the pungent stench of souls left the air permanently stained."
>>337976882
ANGELICALITY
>>337976890
The first scholar himself taught Lothric linking the flame was a bad idea. Go read soul stream and all the scholar shit.
>>337976794
>Yhorm became a LoC to quiet the profaned flame
>when Yhorm became a LoC, the profaned flame descended upon the city and incinerated it's inhabitants
Yhorm tried to use the Profaned Flame as kindling to link the fire, but his plan backfired
>>337976941
Nah, the Soulfeeder is a transposed weapon, in same way he does for you. So he used the Soul to create the weapon.
What i think interesting about this Soulfeeder though, is that it's not so far from being a description about a Firekeeper. What are they doing when they level us up if not feeding from the souls we give them?
>>337977073
What the fuck is profound flame anyone? All the item descriptions point to it being evil unnatrual and it consumes it's users.
>>337976890
Famalamamam, Sully wasn't even alive for Aldrich linking the flame in the first place.
The Church of the Deep is multiple cycles old, there is literally 0 way Sully would have been alive for all of that shit -- too much time has passed. He wasn't even the original pontiff of the Church. He usurped the position from someone else, and Yorshka implies that the former pontiff was Gwyndolin
>>337977287
Do we even know how old Suly is?
>>337977279
Abyss + Chaos
picture if the two had an ugly baby together
>>337977001
Never bothered with SotFS>buying a game twicebut is Aldia really the "First Scholar"?
Scholar of the first Sin, not first Scholar and all that jazz.
what is up with the candle headed guys in the grand archives and also in the area immediately after where you fight the three npc faaram guy, dual kat guy, and magic guy, there is a statue of the candle men. Then there are also multiple statues of things with frampt/kaathe/serpent heads and humanoid bodies and small wings for arms.
Are those statues what people implied the serpents were since they could only see their neck/heads. So their brains could only imply what the rest of them were?
>>337977287
But Sully set up Gwyndolin for Aldrich to eat her.
I think Aldrich, Saint of the Deep may have lived in Astora (where the Cathedral is) or some shit, but he and Sullyvahn are of the same period, after Dark Souls I happens.
>>337977338
He seems to be a relative newcomer, as all of the lore treats the corruption of the Church as a recent phenomenon
>>337977338
Old enough to have met Aldrich in his younger days but not old enough to have seen the profaned capital at its prime considering that when he travelled there shit was already fucked up.
>>337977480
Wax protects scolars from the cursed books.
>>337977379
Jesus christ how horryfing
>>337977396
Aldia ascended out of the curse light and dark life and death. He wants the fire to go fuck it self and bring upon the age of man. He was and is a badass so much so you don't even kill at the end of scholar. It's just a test to see if your worthy or not to be his bro and find a way to break his broken cycle. All signs point to Aldia teaching lothric one because he hates the fire two because he is a god tier mage and three he is fucking immortal.
>>337968957
>darkness isn't Dark
>Dark is the absence of flame
Okaaaay Aristotle.
>>337974454
>The Deep is bait for Dark Souls 4, which will take place either in space of underwater
In b4
> Deep Souls
>>337977543
>>337977589
I hope the DLC expands on what we know about Sulyvahn. For such an important character, we don't know much about him specifically
>>337977528
>her
Aldrich was revived at the same time as you, when the Bell rang. So, Sully didn't exactly have Gwyndolin waiting in Aldrich's cooking pot for untold eons.
Plus, Anri's gear states that Astora is long dead and forgotten, even during her own time, and that she just wore the gear for motivation.
Considering that Carim and Catarina are both STILL around, there really isn't any good indication of when Astora fell. Saying "it's after DaS1" is relatively meaningless, because of how much time has passed after DaS1
>>337977654
>longwinded none answer
Wow, that really cleared up such a simple question.
>>337977262
I like to think that is why Andre of Astora survived all three games, because all the souls we give him for our gear upgrades has made him one of, if not the most powerful creature to even live.
>>337977717
It's more like a reference to Bloodborne than anything else.
Aldritch. Eldritch.
An Eldritch horror from the Deep (Church).
>>337977816
If you don't want an actual source or info then yes faggot he is.
>>337968957
>darkness would presumably be like the age of dragons
stop this stupid-ass meme
>>337977396
Yes.
Here's the japanese translation of Soul Stream.
Soul Stream
(Soul Geyser in Dark Souls 2)
"Sorcery imparted by the first of the Scholars, when Lothric and the Grand Archives were but young.
The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince."
ロスリックと大書庫のはじまりにおいて 最初の賢者が伝えたとされる魔術
最初の賢者は火継ぎの懐疑者であり また密かに、王子の師でもあったという
"A sorcery taught by the First Sage, when Lothric and the Great Library first began. The First Sage was a skeptic of the fire-linking, and secretly tutored the prince."
-"First" literally means chronologically the first, not "greatest" or anything similar.
-An-Dil's (Aldia's) "scholar" title in Dark Souls 2 was actually "探求者" (seeker), what was translated to scholar this time was 賢者 (sage). Translating it to "Scholar", with a capital S, suggests that the translator might have had some additional insight into the wording, probably from From/Miyazaki.
-「最初の賢者」は「first of the Scholars」と訳されており、「Scholar of the First Sin」(「原罪の探求者」)との関連性を匂わせている
>>337977756
>I hope the DLC expands on what we know about Sulyvahn
Can`t wait for another tragic "he was good guy and did it for greater good" story.
>>337977279
>>337977379
^--This, and the profane flame created demons. It is however starting to fade in DS3 that is why the demons are turning to stone (Stray Demon) and running out of flame (Demon Kings final AoE)
>>337977396
He studied the first sin. Hence his name.
First sin is either linking or the chaos from izalith. Maybe chaos since he is a fiery blob.
>>337959441
The Deep is just Aldrich's interpretation of The Abyss, nothing more.
>Why is Gwyn hollow? Isn't hollowing a part of the curse of those who have the darksign (humans)?
>What exactly awakens the player character in DaS3?
>How many times has the fire been linked? Does that mean Link the fire endings are canon?
>>337977789
>Aldrich was revived at the same time as you
All those guys from the intro revived long before you.
Look at the corpses in the Cathedral where his coffin is. They were feeding him hundreds of corpses. Then he ruminates and goes to Anor Londo and Sully gives him Gwyndolin.
Our character comes much later to the party, god knows how late.
>>337968140
oh yeah? Who's work did he steal?
>>337977829
>some Andre trivia
It was originally intended that Andre was to be a descendant of Gwyn and that he would have a key role in the story, but this idea was scrapped.[1]
Andre is the only NPC (Alongside Quelaag's Sister) to appear in Dark Souls whose mouth moves when he speaks.
>>337978064
Profound flame didn't make demons that's the chaos flame and the chaos flame is dead. All the profound flame items stat the fire will never end.
>>337977956
>meet young Sulyvahn when he was an unknown scholar
>like a more enthusiastic Orbeck that wants to know as much as he can
>Help him discover the Profaned flame with his buddies
>Pre-mutated Dancer ass
>>337975187
>>337975412
>>337975670
>>337975764
>>337976496
Something isn't right here
That does look like Lorthric and The Profane GS
But if it really is the Profane great sword it would make no sence
1
>Sully somehow has control over Aldrich and forced him to link the fire
>that would mean that Aldrich and by extention Sully is much older then Lotrich since he is the latest that was suppose to link the fire
2
>What and how would Lotrich have gotten the Profane GS?
>>337978326
>>337975764
It could be Lorians sword before it got turned into burnt hell when he went on his conquest.
>>337978064
The profane flame didn't creat the demons the chaos flame witch of Izelith did
The description for the old demon king even says that he is the last witness to the old chaos of Izelith but it is no more so that's why they are turning to ash
Why do NPCs die permanently in Dark Souls if everyone is undead and supposedly unable to die?
>>337977756
>I HAVE A MISSION FOR YOU
KEKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>337978646
dev oversight
shrine maiden respawns, but she'll be butthurt
>>337978132
My take is this:
Gwyn is hollow because Gods in Dark Souls are just humans with greater powers and he linked the flame to humanity, creating the darksign.
Gods can hollow and go mad in Dark Souls, just like the Nameless King
The PC is awakened by the Bell of Awakening, which raises the question if he's a Lord of Cinder too. The whole Unkindled thing is just a mess and a fuckup by FROM, they should have brought back humanity
The fire must have been linked at least three times because Lothric didnt and Ludleth is not clear if he did or not.
>>337978778
>Gwyn linked the flame to humanity
just stop
>>337978478
>Lorians Sword
You mean that giant fucking slab that looks nothing like the one in the pic or Sullys?
Yea im not bying that
>>337959993
Abyss is not dark just like Chaos is not fire.
>>337978326
I think Sullyvahn and Aldrich are slightly older than Lothric, but still around somehow.
Sullyvahn may have arranged the death of Gwyndolin without Lothric's consent.
He's a pretty important figure, a would-be head of two of the three pillars of Lothric (he's a master sorcerer AND priest, and responsible for mixing faith and intelligence to fuck with miracles and sorcery)
But then Aldrich devouring Gwyndolin doesnt make sense time-wise unless the game takes place WAAAAY after the intro of the game
>>337977279
Apparently it was "born of the sky" (came from space?) and only burns human flesh.
>>337978878
it didn't look like that until after he killed the demon prince.
>>337977871
Don't stretch it bruv
Memeborne has nothing to do with this
>>337978778
>least three times
>Chose Undead
>True Monarch
>Yhorm
>Aldrich
>watchers
>Yes Ludleth too he say so
>many MANY others that was before them
>many more that was before True Monarch
>>337978778
>Gwyn created the darksign
the Darksign, and the curse of Undeath, are both inherent features of reality. Hollows are the true face of man, Gwyn had nothing to do with this basic fact of nature. Aldia states this in DaS2, and Yuria states this in DaS3.
The Darksign is just a reflection that the Dark has overwhelmed the influence of Light within you -- this includes Death, which is a product of the Age of Fire. As the Dark Soul eclipses the influence of Fire within you, an eclipse forms on your body -- the Darksign.
Note that when the Flame is about to fade in DaS3, the ENTIRE SUN is eclipsed by the Dark, and it forms a gigantic darksign in the sky.
So uhhmm, why has Aldrich partially the body of Nito and the Gravelord Sword?
>>337979191
>stretch
The Deep is a thing in Bloodborne. I don't even have a PS4 but it's clear Miyazaki made a reference or allusion there. Don't think it's meant to link the worlds and more like him having fun with the stuff he created.
>>337978198
Not him, but it couldn't have been that long ago. Anri and Horace were slated to be on his dinner menu, escaped, and went back to the cathedral of the deep to kill him because they thought he was still there. Considering how intact Gwyndolin is when you arrive, I don't think Aldrich could have been in Anal Rodeo for much time.
>>337979152
While it's a nice idea, that hilt is too drastically different. Pommel too actually.
>>337978235
>Vaati steals people's content!
I genuinely ask who he stole from. I get silence. Sounds like a bunch of mad bubs who don't like quality content about lore.
>>337979424
That still doesn't explain why the gods can somehow go Hollow.
>>337979550
We don't know how much it takes for someone to digest a god like Gwyndolin, who has been around for a while.
Couting years is always a mess in this. All we can do is have an idea. Anri says he does for the kids, it's just as plausible he and Horace were a kid as well. So a lifetime could have past since we can't forget Anri is a Hollow afterall and those things have some big livespan.
>>337979620
LIkely a good many anons.
The catch-22? Anonymously claiming that your anonymous work was stolen.
Yeah, a good recipe for claims of bullshit from all sides.
>>337979620
People like to hate on ENB but he was doing lore for these games way before anyone and a lot of the stuff him and his commenters pieced together has been regurgitated a million times over, Vaati included. You can just look at the release of their videos. Also, people like to hate on Vaati because he charges for his thievery. If he wasn't making money off of it, I don't think people would care as much.
>>337979643
>be gwyn
>basically got nothing to do all day but fuck around in the Kiln, making sand castles
>be NK
>basically got nothing to do since the dragons are DEAD and I can only ride my drake for the UMPTEENTH time in these fucking gay clouds
No wonder they go hollow, I would too
>>337979152
Okay smartass then answer this
If the Profane great sword really Lorian sword
What does Pontiffy have?
>>337964428
I was under the impression that ursurper was the truest means of ending the cycle, as it doesn't quite usher in the age of dark as the first flame isn't quite gone, since it's within the unkindled one.
>Powerful cleric in his own right
>Created his own church
>Linked the Fire
>Singlehandidly besieged Anor Londo and fucking ate Gwyndolin
Aldrich is a fucking badass
>>337979940
Whoa calm down Autismo.
>>337978198
>>337979550
>>337979791
>tfw being slowly digested over the span of several years
Man that's fucked up
>>337975764
>Can be combined with Lothric's Holy Sword to make The Twin Princes' Greatsword
Well Well Well, doesn't that just sound grand
>>337979940
Nigger what, I didn't say the profound great sword was lorian I said Lothric could be holding his sword before it got fucked up by the demon prince.
>>337979620
He is the perfect example of a youtuber that is there for the money.
His content is commercial shit, carefully planned to the last detail to max out views and revenue.
His videos are all shit, shallow and lame compared to deeper lore videos. He just goes over the things everyone already knows.
He was going to do a lorethrough but it's been more than a month and he just released two new videos spouting shit people already know.
He is just a polished turd, an empty shell. All appearance and no content.
>>337979976
But still, you still have some walking talking First Flame inside some revived Ash.
Weird shit. It gives room to new things.
>>337979643
everything hollows when the Dark encroaches far enough, humans and other dark-affiliated creatures (like rats) are just the first to go. they're the early-warning detection system for the fading flame
>>337979620
I don't really even care if vaati makes a living spewing out this shit, because in the end, it's all down to from software to create the lore.
Vaati just makes money off of it all.
Besides, if he didn't exist, there wouldn't be an open voice to the droves who won't even attempt to figure out stuff in the games by themselves or theory craft etc.
Well, there is Lothric`s Sythe in unused content. Probably during early stages of development he was actual boss, not just pathetic soulmass spamer. Probably From also tried variant with profaned GS, but then gave it to Sally (and forgot to change model of statue).
>>337980002
>be an good boii
>have a foot fetish
>amidst toesucking, start eating them
>all other cleric footfetish beta cucks dont dare to fuck around and bring you more feet so you dont eat them
>become dank as fuck
>other betamaxes go full REEEEEE and lock you up in a coffin
>you fuck off to get GODLY TRAP FEET presented by ya homeboii the Pontiff
>he gives you trap feed but cucks you by making you link the fire
Sounds like a degenerate cuck to me
>>337979831
>People like to hate on ENB
Who?
He was the OG lore guy
Literaly the first video i watched of Vaatis was him saying almost the exact same word for word of what ENB once said but at least ENB said that it was all only theoretical and something he made up
While Vaati stated it as facts
Also
That one guy that made a really detailed description of the abyss before people really knew what it was way back in DLC DaS1 he also stole
No bigger faggot alive
>>337980102
For someone with so much money, it's taking him an awful long time to crank out shit. It does seem to me he's waiting for others to figure it out.
Since literally everything in DS3 is vague as fuck, I can see him waiting for the DLC
I've got some questions about the Four Knights. There seem to be some representations of them in this game: the Frigid Dancer is reminiscent of Ciaran with the blue clothes and swords that are very similar to (and held in the same hands as) the Dark Silver Tracer and Gold Tracer. Dragonslayer Armour obviously looks like Ornstein. Abyss Walkers look like and fight like Artorias. Who's the representation of Gough? Our White Branch friend?
>>337980246
Many others do the same work. If Vaati didn't exist there would be another who would rise to prominence.
>>337980486
>that one time where Vaati didn't put out BB lore videos for almost half a year after release, because he was waiting for NEVER EVER shitposting to die down enough for lore to be worked out
>>337980370
This post is cancer. Christ.
>>337975812
Ending of BLAME! is just shit. Ignore it.
>>337980708
>>337980486
>>337980426
>>337980246
Well I guess he does puts out edge-core from time to time
MONEY WELL SPENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-xLHUfmSw
>>337956514
The eclipse is actually a black hole and for as long as the fire is going out, you're actually being sucked towards it, fucking up time and space hardcore.
>>337980486
He's in part waiting (desperately), in part juicing views on videos he already released.
I'm somewhat into the YouTube business scheme and all he's doing is juicing up the $$$, but it's funny because his latest videos are shit and have almost no content , and he's getting desperate for somebody to actually figure out a solid lore theory (there isnt one at the time)
Bear in mind, there are many types of youtuber. Some professional youtubers like ENB genuinely care for what they play and their content, however goofy they may be, but VaatiVidya is the kind that is only there for the money. He does Dark Souls as he could be promoting cars for all he cares.
I'm hopeful that his decline is coming, because everyone is making lore videos right now, and some are very deep and good and detailed, unlike his.
He just released a cringeworthy song for fucks sake.
>>337980876
>ignore the ending of Blame!
and do what? just make up an ending?
>>337980968
>some are very deep and good and detailed
Got some names?
I need someone to explain this lore spaghetti for me
>>337981175
Just look up ENB if you want some actual lore discussion
He worked on the guids for DaS2 and BB so he knows what he is talking about and he isn't afraid to admit when he is wrong about something
>>337980968
It's a shame ENB doesn't focus on lore anymore.
>>337981103
Pretend it never happened and enjoy the fond memories of Killy wandering through impossibly huge and complex environments and being a general badass surrounded by insane murderers or plain incompetents that never would have survived long enough for him to find them anyway.
Or you could lay back and accept death.
>>337981175
Hawkshawk is the absolute best, but he's starting and only has two DaS1 videos
I've seen this one and he's pretty good too, just not as much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVMmj7AV0tg
Also SmoughTown isnt bad.
My point is, VaatiVidya isnt at the top of the game anymore. Even this gamer that has no more DaS 3 videos has a great insightful lore video that VaatiVidya could never hope to make himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZPc0Z18DM
>>337981467
I'm doubting ENB with his current playthrough on some aspects, because I know when someone shills for money and when he doesnt, and I suspect he's doing it (after he got accused of not liking the game)
Bear in mind YouTube is a business first, and there are no big youtubers that are free of sin.
Usually the best ones are small unknown channels.
>>337981654
I didn't hear about that.
He doesn't like DaS3? I feel like this series has been hit or miss considering DaS1 was one of the best games I've ever played.
Bloodborne was amazing. They need to just stick to some original ideas, even if the gameplay mechanics stay the same.
>>337959125
>High chance that Karla is Alva and zullies daughter
I was with you until this. That is way too far of a leap.
>>337959125
>abyss - profane flame
>abyss - flame
>abyssal flames
>implying
dark pyromancies are not the Profaned Flame, the Profaned Flame pyromancy does not deal dark damage.
Dark Pyromancies are you forcing your Humanity out through your Pyro Glove, essentially conjuring the Abyss (which is wild humanity aka wild dark soul aka dark fire) in the palm of your hand.
The Profaned Flame is chaos + the Abyss mixed together, it's a different phenomena.
>>337981654
>smoughtown
Was watching him earlier to day good info but man he's not good at talking
>>337981915
He does like it, but again, bear in mind EVERY youtuber with 150.000+ subs is a sellout in some capacity or degree.
ENB started (rightfully) complaining of the blatant fanservice and copy-paste material of DaS 3 in his early videos, and some retards and Bamco shills accused him of him not liking the game.
ENB had to sell out and spend some time apologizing and explainind how he did like the game, so he wouldnt lose subs and views.
From my point of view, my guess is Bamco threatened him directly with ending his YouTube career or at least maiming him (this happens all the time) and he had to change the way he was playing.
After the first videos he doesnt say any negative things about the game at all.
>>337982201
Yeah I'm not a huge fan either, I just named him as an example of a youtuber that puts out more amateur videos than VaatiVidya and has less fame but that manages to put out quality content that Vaati could never hope to achieve.
>>337982378
He's not that bad and puts out great info but man is his voice monotoned.
>>337982268
It's a shame he can't even be honest. Anyone that's been playing these games for years is delusional if they can't see the copy pasting and fanservice.
That's why so many people love Bloodborne. It did it's own thing.
>>337965159
So does that mean Aldrich discovered lifehunt from that vision, or that he had his minions go and retrieve Priscilla so he could eat her after finding out where she is from Gwyndolin?
>>337982745
It's the YouTube business.
E-celebs are like actors. What you see on screen is scripted to varying degrees, and they're not like you see them on screen either.
There is heavy corporate influence on YouTube, and there are subscriber barriers that when unlocked bring corporations more attention.
The more subs a channel has, the more generic and less unique the videos are, because the youtuber doesnt have to work as hard to earn views (money).
Not a single person that makes money off of YouTube is honest, except some rare exceptions.
ENB is still somewhat honest, surprising for his sub number.
I can imagine how Bamco raged when he refused to play Dark Souls III early.
>>337958531
have you even played DS3? the "age of dark" ringing any bells?
>>337982935
From the Vision.
Aldritch is a saint. He has high Faith.
He believed so hard in his vision, that it manifested. That's how miracles work in these games.
It takes place in Sweden 1942
>>337983524
That's interesting, because Yorshka looks like Priscilla, and Yorshka's set is called the Saint set, so she's also a Saint.
Do you think from will ever release a lore book or something, because they clearly thought this shit out so there has to be some kind of file with all lore notes within it?
>>337983767
She has a set you can use? Where?
>>337983524
Oh, right. It doesn't matter if the miracles are real, they still fucking work. I forgot about that part of the lore.
Where is that established again? DS1 or DS2?
>>337983953
You can't use it
deleted content in the files
http://imgur.com/a/olgvn
>>337962962
So what happens after he meets the highest guy?
Is he going to tell the grandeur Undead that he was searching for one to match his power? That he was tired of the "gods" coveting so little they had, and that they blinded themselves from seeing true power? Is he going to elevate the Undead, reveal the obscure secrets behind this worlds story, and then give him a choice to inherit or destroy it?
Either way, sounds pretty ambitious. Mizayaki did say this was the last Dark Souls game.
>>337983775
On the contrary, I got the impression that they didnt think this shit out at all.
I can notice Miyazaki's work on it but B team Dark Souls 2 is leaking all over the place.
They closed some chapters in a shitty way and only the Demons and Firstborn storylines.
It's in the present
The other one is just there because FROM are lazy as hell and reused assets. No lore needed
>>337984084
At this point i won't remember a reference to how it works in 1. But it's probably there somewhere. Here's one from 3.
>>337984743
>No lore needed
Wrong, time is convoluted and lands converge, fucker
>>337959125
>>337959125
>karla's ashes describe her as "The spurned child of the Abyss never dies
>never dies
so she is the legend, the mother of giants... whoa...
>>337984954
That's Kojima levels of hackery
>Lands superglued together (aka I can neglect connectivity like shit)
>Time is convoluted (aka I dont have to explain shit)
>>337970430
cut content
Nobody tought Sullyvahn is the Angel Gertrude saw?
He has angelical tree wings after all....
>>337985503
>Heavenly
There is nothing about sully that is heavenly and he has no part in Lothric faggot
>>337985275
>>> (aka I can neglect connectivity like shit)
The map as a whole in 3 makes much more sense that the one in DaS and somewhat more than DeS
>>(aka I dont have to explain shit)
That's a constant in the soulsborne series
Where do the books in Seath's library come from? What was he studying if hes the father of magic?
>>337985728
He was studying souls and Crsytals
>>337985645
Yes he does faggot
>>337975764
>>337985978
We have all ready explained why that statue is a fuck up read the fucking thread and all posts coming from that one you linked you fucking retard. Sully being in lothric retcons his past deeds and current deeds.
>>337985978
That's Lorian holding his greatsword. The hell you're up to?
kiln of the first flame is that half broken archtree you can see from fireless shrine, here's the shrine from the kiln as proof.
>>337986380
Another shitty hack job.
Why didnt they just change the original DaS I Kiln a bit and add that instead?
Dark Souls 3 has all the wrong fanservice where it shouldnt be and lacks the one it should have.
>>337981654
It's a good thing I'm too busy with Stellaris to bother posting my lore theories because I almost got the mastermind figured out but I'm stumped without the DLCs. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to conclusively prove who's the one responsible for setting DS3 in motion as well as their motivations unlike in DS1
>>337986616
Funny you should say that because it's the exact kind of fanservice people were clamoring for DaS2 to be before it came out.
>>337987571
Tell something anon, before the thread dies.
I'll tell you my DaS1 theory, I have that one figured out pretty well
>>337980002
He foresaw the age of the deep but was just a pawn.
>>337958636
those statues at the profane capitol are holding some kind of a trumpet-like weapon, i'm guessing it was a gargoyle's weapon, or some defense measure against who knows what.
>>337987571
Speak anon.
Point out the basics
>>337956514
Can any of you guys please explain these fuckers and are they still playing us like puppets?
So why do vordt and the dancer just appear out of a portal when you fight them?
>>337988354
They are imperfect dragons and jealous of them.
They probably showed the gods the souls or started the fire.
They supported Gwyn and the rest agains the dragons, then supported the 4 kings and Darkwraiths against Gwyn the Witch and her demons against everyone, then supported the Chosen Undead agains anyone left.
Either ending is a farm for souls for them. You either give them souls and humanity during your gameplay or you end up prolonging the state of things.
It's all a ruse with no way out. It's all rigged.
The only way to defeat the Serpents is to turn off the game.
Also they are at least 10 and may be extensions of the same being.
>>337987668
Alright, hopefully nobody tries to steal it.
Here are the facts first:
Okay, so we know that the Untended Graves is a pet project from the Queen of Lothric. Hidden Blessing and Ashen Estus ring both says that she's the one taking care of the place. Handmaiden both selling and dropping the Lothric Priestress Rings further reinforce this fact.
We know that the Queen of Lothric is 90% confirmed to be Gywnevere due to the description of Divine Blessing and the fact that her Silver Knights also drop the same Diving Blessing with the DS3 description.
Judging by Ludleth's dialogue and these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzp0TSjl6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koCVr5mg6mw
We can surmise that he didn't prolong the Age of Fire as long as the others and is a LoC to act as an agent to prod/help you along a certain path.
Finally, we know that Untended Graves/Firelink shrine can trap and respawn certain Undeads like Ludleth, Andre, Firekeeper and Handmaiden because of their dialogue and Handmaiden telling you not to tarry long.
Everybody in DS3's overworld has heard the bell and yet the bell in Untended Graves never tolled. A smaller fact that goes unnoticed is that everyone outside Firelink refers to you as a Champion of Ash but everyone from Firelink refers to you as Ashen One. Iudex Gundyr's original title is Ash Adjudicator as well so it seems that people in DS3 are mistaking you for him.
Putting those together, I'm going to post my rough theory in the next post
>>337988740
They're trying to stop you from putting the fire out.
They also come from some Abyss shit thanks to Sullyvahn.
The Dancer looks tied up or handcuffed until she gets out.
>>337970430
From said they only re-used the Andre model for all the Ember corpses for easy recognition. "Oh, I should take this item back to Andre", or "Oh shit, that corpse I just ran past was a blacksmith, it must have an ember"
>>337968658
Every fucking time why does it make me laugh!
>>337988812
>final DLC boss will probably be ultimate fan-pandering withPrimordial Hydra
>can summon npc Spirit of The Sun for the boss fight
Or it'll be Manus 2.0 Electric Boogaloo.
Anyone else bummed that they didn't go anywhere with the fragments of Manus plot/lore? It was probably the most interesting thing out of DaS2.
>>337988812
Thanks for the info. Just one more question. How do you know there are at least 10 of them.
>>337989352
Dark Lord ending in Dark Souls 1.
>>337989352
>>337989427
They're also interchangeable
Frampt can be Kaathe or vice versa for all anyone knows, and there could have been at least 10 interchangeable Frampts and Kaathes throughout the world at the same time fucking things up.
Can't you find your own corpse in Untended Graves or some shit
>>337989605
I beleive that when you go to your grave in UG there a bunch of the bird men sitting on your coffin and there is an item you can pickup but I don't remember what item it is.
>>337989953
Isn't that the Ashen Estus Ring?
>>337990092
yes you're right
>>337989007
Monitoring & awaiting your comment.
You can always delete it afterwards if you want to avoid theft
>>337989007
Original Firelink was created by the Queen of Lothric or taken over by her to act as a safeguard of her sons or future LoCs not linking the flame.
It was supposed to be staffed by the Handmaiden, the First Firekeeper, a blacksmith (Not present yet in Untended Grave), Ludleth and Champion Gundyr.
However, Champion Gundyr was delayed by something and arrived late, possibly after the place was swallowed by the abyss which ended up killing the First Firekeeper by filling her with 'frightful scenes of betrayal'. This tale becomes a widely known farce later as confirmed by the Estus Ring. With the project failing, the Queen breaks the Bonfire sword and place part of it in the bowl where you first spawn in High wall in the hopes that someone in the future can succeed.
This part is abit more speculative:
Ludleth probably goes and burn himself at this point so he can respawn later as a LoC. His sacrifice might have pushed back the Abyss in a pocket dimension so that your Ashen Ass doesn't get ganked by Abyss enemies when you wake up in Firelink. Champion Gundyr which you have beatened later DS3 ends up impaled with the Bonfire Sword so that someone worthy enough would take his role and gather the Lords of Cinders instead of some punk ass like Hawkwood.
So that's it for the Firelink-Untended Grave connection theory;
The Mastermind is probably whatever that delays Champion Gundyr and the Black Eclipse which is present strongly in every ending.
>>337990448
And what is that so present?
>>337990448
I thought that all that stopped Gundyr from doing his job was that he awoke from death too late by chance?
>>337990448
Oh, and there's an Easter Egg where if you don't talk to the Handmaiden until after you visit Untended Graves where she recognizes you from her past self.
For the Black Ecplise, there's nothing much that we can conclude about it. The only thing we know is that 1) It only pops up when enough Lords of Cinders have been slain and the flame is close to being 'linked' 2) It has some connection with the Pilgrim butterflies because they don't appear in the same numbers if you use the Dancer Shortcut. In 2 out of the 4 endings, the player sits under or offers the first flame to it so it seems to be some sort of twisted manifestation of the First Flame or a parasite that wants the First Flame to be linked.
>>337968087
wouldn't that pic imply that aldritch and pontiff are from lordran? and isn't ds1 the first of any sort of cycle? why wouldn't he be before yhorm?
>>337969465
there's a lot of implication going on from 2 words.
>>337991027
Gundyr was customed Tailored for his job by his all his description:
"Once, a champion came late to the festivities, and was greeted by a shrine without fire, and a bell that would not toll. "
"A prisoner is one who has staked everything on a belief, a proclivity most apparent in the greatest of champions."
"Halberd of Gundyr the Champion, received when he was charged with his duty.
This old cast-iron halberd has the power to break poise, and is said to never crumble, seeming to suggest that Gundyr was fated to eternal service from the beginning."
It would be incredibly stupid if the Queen's plan was derailed because he doesn't have an alarm clock. On the other hand, all his equipment seems to suggest he was meant to fail from the very start and the Mastermind wanted him as an Iudex rather than a Champion
>>337991195
Id say Pilgrim Butterflies are like tree dragons, and Hollows are turning into trees as seen in High Wall. The cocoons of the butterflies are probably those shells chained to the Londor Pilgrims, which are all hollows too.
The more parts of the flame you kill (the more Lords of Cinder you kill) the more hollow the world becomes
The Eclipse is when the sun meets the moon, and it looks like a darksign (what makes a Hollow hollow) aka the world is going hollow / darkness is overcoming everything.
Original concept art for the end level featured a sun that bled black goo (darkness)
However it is unclear to me if the Sable Church and Kaathe want to extend the Abyss (wild twisted darkness) or just bring about the age of darkness alone.
>>337969465
I wonder what would happened if you could offer the Lord souls the Untended Grave Firelink Shrine.
>the Mastermind
What is this
Can someone explain how DS1-2-3 are related?
>>337976687
>>337975468
>>337975215
>>337974723
"Soul of the Twin Princes. One of the twisted souls, steeped in strength.
Use to acquire numerous souls, or transpose to extract its true strength.
The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder, and settled down far, far away to watch the fire fade from a distance. A curse makes their souls nearly inseparable."
Straight up says that the didn't do it. The princes also don't have a second fired up phase. Lorian's blade is permanently on fire because he fought and killed the Demon Prince.
>>337956514
How mad is everyone gonna be if the DLC explains nothing, and is just more side zones or unused content?
>>337991767
But why would Gwynevere betray a champion?
Something's strange with Velka also.
Velka would do that, Gwynever wouldnt.
But they're not the same character are they? they're like two opposite sides of the same thing Velka and Gwynevere.
>>337972242
>>337973378
>>337972435
Irithyll would be really low below the fog to the left. You can actually see what's left of Anor Londo to the left and it would logically be lower than that since you travel up to get there.
So it's an area we don't actually travel to in the game as of yet.
>>337991696
Can't ignore it. The way it triggers says it all.
>>337991901
You'd need a Maiden to perform the ritual.
>>337987571
Then who's the mastermind?
>>337991981
DaS 1 - The beginning of the curse of relinking the First Flame over and over
DaS 2 - The relinking ritual goes on and on through the ages
DaS3 - The last linking of the First Flame
>>337992251
No, it's more like Gwynevere hired him as a champion but he got side-tracked with swanking gear by the Mastermind. It doesn't seem to fit the Original plan unless for some crazy inexplicable reason that it needs to have failed once for it to really work in the future.
>>337992634
It's not the
Queen (Her plan failed)
Ludleth (An agent, not the mastermind)
Kaathe (You won't need to do a secret 3rd ending to do his bidding then)
Frampt (Assuming that he's the Angel statues, he's working against the Plan)
Gwyndolin (Never did anything before he got nommed on).
That pretty much rules out everybody in the base game, we have to wait until DLC to know more.
How did Ludleth survive linking the fire? Why doesn't he look like the other Lords of Cinder?
Is it just because they were much more powerful than him and he's always been nothing more than a little man?
>>337956514
The same as the others. I have thought of it more like you are invading Lothrics world as soon as you use your bonfire to teleport to high wall. Similar to how you invade other players. You go into their world or their dimension but they all exist parallel to one another even though they also can exist at different times for each world. As one player can be at "the end" of the game while someone else is just beginning. So the untended grave is his firelink just as each player has their own firelink.
>>337993487
The big question is:
Why do we never see him resurrectin gin the intro yet there's a giant open coffin in the shot of Firelink
Why is he tiny with no legs when the throne is the size of a giant (and all other lords have thrones fitting their size)
I am sure it's DLC content
>>337993428
What do you think of Rosaria?
It's heavily implied to be a mourning Gwynevere that changed her appearance completely.
>>337993648
Because he isn't a boss.
Ludleth legs were cut and he was thrown into the Flame.
The big coffing belongs to Yhorm.
Offcourse, this is all food for thoughts and we'll only know after all DLC's release, at least i believe Ludleth will be explored.
>>337993648
He may just be very old, one of the earliest to link the fire and so much of him has wasted away such as his legs.
>>337993235
So what order to they happen in chronologically?
>>337994269
1, 2 and 3.
>>337994269
Time is convoluted, anon
>>337993648
Maybe it's the "Pain of Ages" boss that was hinted in leaks but never seen
I've seen various people suggesting that DaS is ultimately a positive message of persevering against death, which sounds nice, but I'm not sure I see it.
It would perhaps be one thing if you were persisting against the inevitable darkness of death of your own accord, but in dark souls you are simply a pawn, either of an ancient king that is using you to prolong his goals or of some ancient primordial being that basically lies to you about how nice the darkness is.
Either way, your struggle isn't even for the sake of your own existence, but rather in service of some higher powers by whom you are just used and manipulated. Basically DaS is just saying you're a bitch that struggles tirelessly to maintain your bitch existence and then you die for no reason because it doesn't matter anyways. Doesn't really seem that positive of an outlook to me.
>>337994783
On the contrary, I think it is about the illusion that life exists or that it is something positive or negative or anything at all in any way.
>>337993731
Eh, it doesn't really matter if she's Gwynevere or not since her plan failed. If she is, then her influence ends there cause she can't do much being a mute slug goddesses. If she isn't, then she's probably still slutting it up and trying to make sure the fire stays link to enjoy her huge tits.
>>337994783
>DaS
>positive message
Couldn't be more wrong.
The whole game resolves around the Linking of the Fire and the human condition.
Either you Link and embrace the lie that is human life.
Or embrace Darkness and accept the truth that you're just a hollow corpse, just a husk dead inside.
Positive my ass.
>>337995424
Or join the neutral, everlasting dragons (nature) and forget about it all.
That's why dragonbros are best bros and why the Nameless King is a bro too.
>>337995526
More like join the delusional furry crowd, who think they are animals.
No matter how much you believe, you are not a dragon. No coincidence, they were all dead in the temple and aren't everlasting at all.
>>337980890
For a guy who is supposedly the "lore expert" he sure does waste a lot of time making videos about anything BUT lore.
>>337981175
I enjoy Davecontrol, even though many of his theories are often wrong.
SilverMont you might like but I find his too irritating.
>>337983767
My best guess is its either Priscilla, or maybe Priscilla's daughter?
I've got zero back any of this up besides her looking quite like Priscilla
>>337996181
Yorshka is one of the things that pisses me off the most in DaS3
And now she's the forgotten sister of Gwyndolin?
When we're not even 100% sure Gwynevere even existed as anything more than an illusion?
>>337995291
>>337993731
Ahh, wait I remember arguing against it. The main argument is that Rosaria lost her tongue when her firstborn cuts it off. Since there's more evidence that Gwynevere = Queen of Lothric, it would be incredibly odd that nobody noticed that the Queen was mute or it took ages for her Firstborn to come back and cut her tongue off.
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