Lionhead Wanted SJW Cover; Microsoft Declined
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>"They were going, 'You can't have a black person on the cover, and you can't have a woman. And you want a black woman.' And I was like, 'Yes, I do, because it's about be whatever hero you want.' [According to McCormack, Microsoft said] 'No. It's a white guy. That's just the way it is. We know what sells and that's f**king it. Stop the arguing.' I was like, 'F**k you!' That was a huge fight."
>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.' I was like, "F**k you, man.' I hated it."
>McComack went on to say that Microsoft "missed the point" of Fable III overall by putting a traditional-looking, male hero on the cover.
>"I was screaming at them in conference calls," he said. "I lost it at that point, because they just weren't getting the game. Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls. It was meant to be funny and mature. They just took none of it and just did the usual white guy with a sword on the front. Damn it! You missed the point!"
www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-rejected-fable-devs-idea-to-put-black-wo/1100-6439777/
What does /v/ think?
Based Microsoft
Remember that nerdy black girl with glasses that got beat up in school for playing video games?
They cater to white males because thats the audience
This is a fucking business, you find your target market and cater to them
>>337899585
Is this the average Mexican?
>>337899323
But you could only play as a white guy or a white girl, so you couldn't be whatever hero you want. This sounds like a load of horseshit.
>>337899323
>'No. It's a white guy. That's just the way it is. We know what sells and that's f**king it. Stop the arguing
sounds like bullshit tbqh
sounds like how a faggot sjw would think a 'sexist racist' person would speak
>>337899323
Just more evidence that Fable III is where everything went downhill.
>>337900114
Exactly, sounds like some 14 year old wrote this. Let's not forget that a white guy has been on the cover for fable 1,2,3
>>337900114
No it's not.
Let's see, what's the better target demographic for a $60 game on a $250 machine:
>middle class white family with two parents that work and bring in decent money
>a dindu tribe with a single mother raising seven kids from nine different fathers that works at Applebees during the day and the Peppermint Rhino at night
Can't buy games with food stamps, you hypersensitive fagger. Must suck being black.
>>337899323
>McComack went on to say that Microsoft "missed the point" of Fable III overall by putting a traditional-looking, male hero on the cover.
Was the point of the game that you can't be a normal looking white guy ever or else?
Fable 3 was shit, and this is coming from someone who loved the first one.
>>337899323
>political pandering
go figure, the game is a massive piece of shit
I mean really awful, it's like a untested beta but worse, fuck them and that bald lying godus fucker
>>337899323
this happened
>>337899323
I'm pretty sure even paraphrasing these interactions with M$ is breaking his NDA. They will probably take him to court over these comments.
Otherwise, it's nice to read about publisher interference that's actually productive for once.
>>337900448
This is the most common opinion in the fanbase though anon
Fable 1 was pretty decent.
Fable 2 sucked but had some redeeming qualities
Fable 3 was total half-assed dogshit. What's worse is that it felt almost identical to Fable 2 even despite everything new it had.
fable was a piece of fucking shit anyways who cares
>>337900641
Yeah, pretty much. Instead of updating the first game I would've still preferred if they released 2 for PC, though.
>>337900641
>Fable 1 was pretty decent.
>Fable 2 sucked but had some redeeming qualities
Garbage opinion
Fable 2 always was best game in the series
>>337899585
That beard does a good job of hiding his second chin
>>337900773
>spot the retard
Fable 2>fable>shit>TLC=fable 3
Can we all agree with it?
>>337900773
Yeah, what a great game Fable 2 was. I loved how you couldn't die at all, and the end boss dies in one hit. Challenge is for faggots.
>>337899986
Yes
>>337899323
>Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls
No?
Fable has always been tongue in cheek and campy, not 'breaking down walls'.
Gay marriage was probably just added as a laugh.
>>337899323
hey look, it's this thread again!
>>337900114
I dunno, it could easily be legit. White dudes sell more than nonwhite dudes. Wanna take two guesses what the biggest slice of the Fable pie is? White dudes.
Businessmen want to sell games. If some faggot wants to risk sales just for "muh progression" he's gonna get shut down
>>337900391
>7 kids
>9 fathers
science my nigga
Thanks for introducing paid online Microsoft and giving us on PC gimped ports of all your shitty games.
At least your had the courage to admit the Xbox is fucking useless
>>337900773
>Fable 2 always was best game in the series
I played Fable 2 only recently because it was a 360 exclusive
Games fucking garbage
>>337901074
Fable was a piss easy series in general, the lack of any challenge whatsoever certainly wasn't exclusive to Fable 2.
>>337901065
>>TLC=fable 3
Why?
>>337901074
>Saying this when you could just get physical shield in 1
kek
>wants black woman on the cover
>you can't actually play as a black woman
Bravo.
>>337899323
>Things you can play as: White dude, White chick
>Things you can't play as: Black dude, Black chick
Why would you even put a black woman in the cover? If I remember correctly, there is only one black woman in the game, and she was the most bitchy of all characters when the second part of the game started.
>>337901074
>dying in the TLC
Wow, you are pretty bad at the video games
>>337901338
Both are trash
>>337901065
Mouse and keyboard Fable>what you said
>>337900391
Yeah all blacks are poor and fits your description bucko.
>>337899323
Sounds like a fair and balanced article with totally no bias one way or another and is probably 100% true with no exaggerations or embellishments whatsoever
>>337901668
yeah, marketing your product to 5% of 13% of the population is totally a good idea instead of the 80-85% of the population
>>337902080
I agree with the statements of this man
WHITENESS IS A FUCKING MYTH AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FUCKING WHITE IDENTITY. USING WHITE PEOPLE FOR COVERS IS FUCKING PERFECT BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A NOTHING ON FRONT THAT YOU CAN JUST REPLACE EASILY IN YOUR HEAD JUST LIKE WHAT MODERN CORPORATIONS DO WHEN LOOKING FOR DIVERSITY.
>>337902813
Please stop. I need characters to look exactly like me so I can validate my pitiful existence.
I am nonwhite I couldn't care less about my race being represented on the cover of a game or not. You Americans will complain about anything
>>337899323
>we were about breaking down walls
>in videogames
Get this dumb fuck out of here.
>>337902910
>>337902813
>modern world is all white european
>surprised when modern stuff is marketed towards white europeans
also nice samefag, you cuck
>>337899323
M$hits did the right thing and perhaps one of the few things they did right, out of all the mistakes they've made.
Look at all the forced """progressive""" shit games, and look at how hard most of them tanked. Why? Pandering to a demographic that doesn't buy games doesn't wok.
You think they'd attract nigras by putting a black woman there? Or even a black guy? NO! Because niggers play either sports games, fighting games, or shooters. Also, they're more misogynistic than white males--at least white males would play a game with a female protag, if written well (and not as a femshit). You barely see niggers play a female character. If they can't play as a nigger, they'd rather play as a white guy than play as a woman.
Also, pandering to the nigger demographic doesn't work because they barely have any money. You'd only find them buying a few games, and they'd buy the kind of games that appeal to them culturally--that's why they like sports, fighting, or shooters. They won't risk playing other games that they may or may not like because of the money factor (or lack thereof). There's only so many times they could get away with mugging/theft/any crime before they get caught or killed, so they won't risk their """hard-earned""" dosh on games they might not even like. That's Psychology 101.
M$ sticking to their tried-and-true customer base will always be the right and only choice.
Basically this image. Who cares what you can do, because even with a black woman on the cover (which would sell less copies) the market is still white men.
>>337903118
Nigger what? I just made the all caps post as a joke because the logic works fine in the sjws philosophy. Why would I same fag support for a crap joke?
>>337899323
>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.'
But... That's not true at all.
>>337899323
When you really think about it, I see their point. But I wouldn't put in a black woman, I'd put in some kind of argonian kind of monster or something.
>>337899323
>"missed the point" of Fable III
>where heroism is a title inherited by the upper class
No, I'd say they nailed it.
>>337901074
Fable 2 is easy, but it's not like 1 wasnt either. The biggest problem with 2 was how they removed armour and the shit storyline and ending.
>here are our demographics and marketing research to prove our point
>WELL FUCK YOU
Sounds accurate enough
The game was shit. Who cares what cover you put on shit?
>you can be whatever you want
Except I'm pretty sure you couldnt be black anyway.
Fable 3 had like 5 hairstyles and outfits anyway. It was a huge lack of content compared to 2.
>>337901074
piss off m8
>no armor
>less variety of weapons
>Plot much weaker
>very little memorable npcs
>>337904395
Dude, If you were a shit seller, you'd do your goddamn best to make a good cover.
Granted, It would be fitting then to put a black woman on the cover but you want to rake as much as possible before someone spreads the words that the shit in a pretty cover is fact just a pile of shit.
I mean, think a little
>>337899323
>>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.'
Holy fuck
>>337899323
Marketing is serious business.
>>337899323
This shit reads like a scene out now The Big Lebowski.
Is this what real life is like? No wonder they got shut down.
>>337899323
The dev team should have full control over the product and should not have to bow to publisher demands (unless of course they breach the contract), but this isn't really about the product, it's about the marketing so it's completely right that the publishers decide what to do.
>>337905049
This, based as fuck Microsoft. Glad they killed lionhead now.
And the best argument he could bring to the table was "fuck you"
>"I was screaming at them in conference calls,"
How fucking mature. I swear even /b/ could do better than that
>>337904324
Pretty much this
>mfw all the idiots ITT who think this has anything to do with SJWs
The cover microsoft picked is generic trash, the one he would have picked probably also would have been trash
Should have just been a photo of a turd, at least then you know what you're buying
>>337905258
If someone's feelings are hurt you HAVE to listen to them. Arguments are fine and all, but you can't be insensitive to peoples feelings.
>>337905320
It has to do with SJWs because that's a legitimate argument for SJWs, but not for business people. Getting emotional and upset is how they get their point across because the argument isn't about economics, it's about the political agenda.
Imagining Microsoft execs and the art director shouting "Fuck you" at eachother is fucking hilarious.
>>337905470
What political agenda? Where do you see politics implicated anywhere in that article?
The guy wanted a Black Woman on the cover as a sort of message that "you can be whoever you want in this game", where the fuck does /politics/ come into play with that?
>>337905608
Maybe the fact that you literally can't be whoever you wanted in fable 3, and that retarded SJW dev only wanted some black sow on the cover because of bullshit political / muh diversity feelings.
>>337905608
cept you can't be black m8because black people can't be kings
>>337905582
Exclusive leaked footage from their meeting room: https://youtu.be/aY1tbb3iTzk?t=84
>>337905704
We dont know at what stage of development this happened , given how so much pissing was done over the cover I wouldn't be surprised if entire chunks of content were cut too. Molyneux isnt known for delivering on his promises.
But you still didnt answer my question.
>>337905608
If (if, because you can't) they could be anyone why did it have to be the absolute most underrepresented, which nobody wants, a strong independent black woman who don't need no man?
I thought /v/ was supposed be against censoring against the creator's intent.
>>337905837
Not when it's those darn ess jay double u's
The majority of /v/ is an echo chamber for /pol/
>>337899875
No, didn't have any blacks in school save gay alex who dropped out after kindergarten.
>>337905807
Because its the exact opposite of a white man, who can be found on most game covers. This makes sense to me since that was his intent for the game, breaking boundaries on what people can be in the game.
Again, where are the politics? Look up the word if you need to.
>>337899875
I remember that ugly black girl who got stabbed for blowing some other girls boyfriend.
I think we went to different schools.
>>337905837
But this censorship makes sense.
>>337905797
I did answer your question. The game does not give you the freedom to be whoever you want.
You will always be the younger brother/sister to the king when you start. You will always be white. You will always take power from him; the game does not give you the option to say fuck that and go live as a hermit.
Him saying he wanted some black bitch on the cover because 'you can be whatever hero you want' is a load of fucking shit. I don't know if any of the microshill execs actually played the game, but regardless, there is no reason to have a nigress on the cover other than the art director trying to shoehorn in muh diversity and muh racial issues and muh SJW feelings, and muh white genocide.
Fuck you, you got me to channel my inner /pol/.
>>337903064
Hey fuck you buddy, destructible environments is one of the easiest ways to make any piece of shit game enjoyable.
>>337899323
>We know what sells and that's f**king it. Stop the arguing.' I was like, 'F**k you!'
>'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.' I was like, "F**k you, man.
>"I was screaming at them in conference calls,"
Top fucking kek, what a bunch of babies.
Microsoft simply just arent completely braindead SJWs who want to throw money away making games no one wants
That doesnt mean they arent pieces of shit, you fucking retards
>>337905914
That is identity politics, which are all the rage. If they really wanted to show off that you can be anything you want they would do something different than showing the one thing most people DON'T want. Unless it's signaling for a political agenda, and that agenda is the breaking down of the male whiteness norm.
>>337905837
On the cover art? When they've signed on for fucking Microsoft of all people to publish it?
No fucking chance I'll care about that. I'll just laugh about him sperging out in the meeting and their studio dying and move on.
>>337899323
Of all the problems with Fable 3, having a white guy on the cover was the least of them. Seeing "They didn't get the game" is just odd in this context too, because
1) How does a black woman describe "You can be whoever!" anymore than a white guy?
2) Why were they focussing on such ridiculously unimportant issues instead of making the game actually good?
>>337906079
I absolutely despise Microshit, in particular because of the recent fuck up of windows, but I'll always choose them over SJWs.
Strange bedfellows.
>>337905837
Yes in the product, not the marketing.
>>337905797
Unless black heroes were pulled at the last possible second, no way would they start worrying about cover art earlier in development.
>>337905986
Again, you're making an assumption based on the game that was shipped, with the revised cover. We really don't know what could've been planned for the game among all those revisions.
At any rate, this still had absolutely nothing to do with SJWS, but marketing and demographics.
>>337906104
Its a really long stretch to call it an "agenda" when it is the man's vision for his game. He's not able to force anyone to play it, but wants to show whats possible in his game. Again this has nothing to do with spreading an agenda.Just waiting till I get called an apologist or something. Really I'm just surprised people are content in being so fucking shallow in their thinking, choosing to see it as nothing more than whites being terrorized once again by some brown mob. Its foolishness.
>>337906023
I don't understand this princess and the frog thing . English is my third langauge so I think I'm confused.
Did it not sell well or do shit for Disney because it's got princess on it ?
>>337906519
That's the implication, yes.
>>337899323
I am a minority and I am tired of people appealing to minorities.
If we can define our own character, then I want the cover character to be as neutral as possible, and a white male is more or less that.
>>337906519
It was a Black princess in the mvie and since White people only like White people doing things in movies it didnt do so well.
That's pretty much the ABC of it.
>Point of the game is supposedly that you could create any character you want.
>Instead of illustrating this by having a cover that shows multiple different characters with widely varying designs, representing the possibilities the player has, instead he wants to show just one person, which would make most people assume that is the only person you can play as, and on top of all that make it a person that 99% of the potential customers would never want to play as.
>constant censorship threads revolving around Nintendo and anime weebshit
>Microsoft literally censors developers
>but this is okay!
either it's okay all the time or it's not
>>337906280
One could argue that the cover, being part of the object that one purchases, is part of the product. Besides, that strikes me as an unnecessary double standard.
>>337906649
Good point. They could have easily come to a compromise but he chose to make a scene, not cool.
Me personally I'm just wondering why people think this has anything to do with SJWs and not really a failure in communication and also with understanding marketing. Its not like people havent done what Molyneux was going for, he just sucked at pulling it off.
>>337906649
So, every game with character editors?
>>337906623
Why does no one consider the fact that it was a 2D cartoon in an age when everyone only seems to be interested in cgi stuff outside Japan.
>>337905837
>>I thought /v/ was supposed be against censoring against the creator's intent.
>"""Progressives""" pro-censorship, even against creator's intent, if something offends them or goes against their narrative
>Anti-censorship when it's a """progressive""" getting censored
You can't have your double standard cake and eat it too.
>I want to do a thing about black people
>But the world is set in medieval fantasy europe
>"BUT I WANT I WANT I WANT IT I WANT IT"
>>337906704
Guy you might want to revisit your understanding of censorship, I think /v/ is having a poor influence on you.
>>337906704
You can't be black in this game. So unless Microsoft forced them to remove that feature and the guy somehow failed to mention it, this story makes no sense.
>>337906827
Are you really assuming the public is that discerning in their taste in Disney movies? A princess movie is a princess movie, if Frozen was done in 2D it would have done just as well as it did.
3D is only becoming big because its cheaper.
>>337906486
>but wants to show whats possible in his game
Save for the part where it's literally fucking impossible in "his" game.
>>337906827
The only people that are actually talking about that are Microsoft (who are using it as an argument for not including a black female, so they won't fucking mention it), and Lionhead (who can only vocalize arguments like "F**k you, man", and "F**k you!").
>>337906793
If that is the games main selling point, then you'll want to communicate that to the customer.
>>337906984
In the version we got, yes.
Not denying the story is fucking weird, hell it could be fake, but I'm trying to remain in context of the article which really gives us no timeframe for when all of this was happening
>>337906838
But isn't that what you're doing too? I disagree with all forms of censorship, from SJWs and big publishers alike. Some people in this thread only seem to disagree with censorship when it doesn't suit their beliefs.If the SJWs are wrong to censor, for example, sexual content, then surely Microsoft is also in the wrong in this instance?
>Its about being whatever hero you want
Yeah, because everybody wants to be a black woman. If that was the real case, then why not have no protagonist at all on the cover?
>>337906838
What are you saying? That it's OK for /v/ to be hypocrites because progressives are?
>>337907081
You couldn't even be black in the game so it would have been false advertisement.
>>337907081
>Microsoft is also in the wrong in this instance?
Microsoft isnt wrong because they want to make money and know that white people like to look at their own kind on the covers. If they dont hit those numbers they lose money, and vidogames are fucking expensive.
Molyneux is wrong in that he's unwilling to come up with a creative solution and is sticking to something that will sink the ship for everyone, when its very possible he can still convey the intent of the game through other means.
tl;dr this is why Lionhead is kill
>>337901074
Lucien is not the final boss, the big shard is.
>>337906705
I'd say that the product is the game. You don't play the cover, it's made for marketing purposes to get potential buyers interested. The game wouldn't be ANY different if the cover was blank. I have the digital copy and I bet the physical one sucks just as much as my coverless one does.
I don't see the double standard. The game developers should have 100% creative freedom over the game. This is marketing, and that the publisher shouldn't have the final say in marketing would be very odd.
So the reason why Fable 3 failed because the cover wasn't SJW friendly enough?
Honest question, can you even make your Fable 3 character look like the one on the cover? I know you can't in 2.
>>337907081
Also it's Microsoft product. They can do whatever the fuck they want with it. If they wanted creative freedom they should have either chosen a different publisher or published it themselves. It's not censorship when it's Microsoft product.
>>337899323
Black nerds don't p;lay WRPG's and pretend to be b;ack
they play JRPG's and pretend to be Japs
bad move lionhead
>>337907037
>but I'm trying to remain in context of the article
Being that jackass acting like a spoiled child and just shouting "fuck you" repeatedly at the people with the final say in the game's marketing. While he's there to negotiate the game's marketing.
Why should we give a shit about some thought experiment where this article isn't 6+ years late, the story fake, the game wasn't dogshit, that jackass didn't spectacularly fail at negotiating and didn't have the temper of a three year old?
>>337907342
>tfw I play JRPGs because they're generally better than WRPGS
>but they could also be vastly improved if they stopped pretending to need strategy with wanky turn-based shit and went full action, thank god FFXV and FF7R get the idea
>>337900773
I came here to laugh at you.
>>337907235
So if a western publisher censors a Japanese game so that it will sell better in the west, that is okay? Lionhead obviously didn't deal with this well, but an artist should be allowed their artistic decisions, even if they're stupid decisions.
>>337907227
That's a fair argument.
>>337907381
>Why should we give a shit about some thought experiment where this article isn't 6+ years late, the story fake, the game wasn't dogshit, that jackass didn't spectacularly fail at negotiating and didn't have the temper of a three year old?
not sure I follow you here...My idea is to really just examine this case without the silly lens of "muh SJW" all over the place
>>337907437
A company that makes shitty turn based games probably isn't going to make a good action one. Why do people think otherwise?
>>337907437
>he only plays Final Fantasy
There are plenty of turn-based games that require skill. Not even JRPGs.
There are also plenty of JRPGs that are not turn-based.
It's like you literally only played one video game series and then became a retard.
>>337899323
Easily one of the worst (non-broken) games I've ever played.
>>337907280
Not necessarily relevant to Fable 3, but if the publisher wants a game that's easy to market, they can easily enforce changes to the game to suit that. They could of course sell the game on a lie, which is even more dishonest. If there's one bunch I don't trust, it's MS' marketing squad.
In the end though, it doesn't change the fact that the game was bad.
>>337907503
>So if a western publisher censors a Japanese game so that it will sell better in the west, that is okay?
There's always a choice. Team Ninja decided not to bring one of their games over because they didnt want to deal with the drama of publishing in the West. The Japanese developers that choose to publish here should know what they're getting into and prepare to make adjustments, and many do, despite how badly it turns out for some games.
I'm not saying its right or wrong, but when you enter into these big money contracts it stops being a matter of whats "fair", its about what you agreed to.
If you dont like it, dont sign it.
>>337907562
If you have to make convenient guesses at how the game was instead of is to make your argument come together you've got a shit argument. You can assume it was fucking anything, and make any point that way.
>>337907647
>he mentions one game
>that must be all he plays
talk about illiterate, and dont bullshit around and say the vast majority of JRPGs arent turn based. One I do acknowledge as taking a little skill is Mainline SMT, many others are just clunky trash though.
>>337907562
>lens
Hello carl Benjamin :^)
>>337907762
I never made any guesses at what the game was, you idiot, I'm staying focused on what was said in the article and the ideas behind all the decisions made.
The big point is that Peter M. fucked up once again because of a bad approach to proving his point, and Microsoft was just playing it straight based on all relevant data concerning videogame covers.
This absolutely nothing to do with "SJW" bullshit like people want to say it is because they cant be bothered to think larger than fucking /pol/ memes.
>>337899323
Wow what a retard that McCormack dude.
Anyway fable 3 is the biggest pile of horseshit I ever played, fuck this game and fuck lionhead
>>337907635
it could speed the game up, at least.
Fuck lionhead they never made a good game post 2005 in my eyes i never even liked fable that much.
>>337908034
>/pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/
Jesus fucking christ you're tiresome to talk to. If you're so intent on arguing about that shit then reply to someone who's fucking spewed it.
>I never made any guesses at what the game was
Then what the fuck was this post >>337907037 supposed to be about, if not you assuming the game was in an earlier stage of development at the time where you actually could play as a black in order to make your argument hold up?
>>337899323
fake and gay
you can't even be black in the game, who is the article trying to fool exactly?
>>337907698
Yes they COULD dick developers out of their creative freedom, but they SHOULDN'T for a vast number of reasons.
They also shouldn't lie in marketing, but I think that's another issue and has nothing to do with censorship because in MY opinion the creative freedom of the game developers don't extend further than the game. Again, I don't see the double standard. In this specific case they didn't lie with marketing, because you can choose to play as a white dude. You could maybe at one time also choose to play as a black lesbian and putting that on the cover wouldn't be any more or less dishonest. It would probably be a very bad business choice, though.
>>337908520
>You could maybe at one time also choose to play as a black lesbian
Nice theory that be both know never existed
>>337908616
I said you could MAYBE at one time, because it was kind of irrelevant to the argument. Maybe read.
>>337908456
>if not you assuming the game was in an earlier stage of development at the time where you actually could play as a black in order to make your argument hold up?
Because the events described obviously happened before the game was published....
If anything it makes even less sense to bring up the final game since the topic is all about what might have been, and why it didn't happen.
Again, concerning custom characters in Fable 3 we dont know what the fuck happened, but if we're trying to discuss this particular articles contents, then lets actually discuss it, stop falling into byways. But if you find that the discussion is fruitless because of what F3 turned out to be, then feel free not to respond, since we're really trying to touch on two different things.
>mfw tried replaying Fable TLC recently
I don't remember it being this bad
>>337900391
>>337901279
Anything is possible when your mom's a hoe.
>>337900114
it does sound like bullshit. I think McCormack is a lying faggot 2bh
>>337899323
While I think that developers should be able to do whatever they want with their own game and the image of that game I would contend his statement about Fable 3 being about doing new things or breaking down walls when it's one of the most buttoned down and generic entries in the series.
Literally a by the numbers RPG that did nothing significant differently from it's predecessors and stapled gimmicks onto the front to pretend they were being creative.
So yeah, fine, have a black woman on the front. Why would I care what the cover character looks like as long as the game is good? But Fable 3 wasn't good, it wasn't fun, it wasn't creative and it wasn't new or interesting. It was boring, bland and had less features than previous entries in the series.
So I'm saying that I agree with him on it not being fair for the publishers to pull something like that. However I am also saying that Fable 3 was garbage anyway so it doesn't really fucking matter because a change of cover won't fix an inherently shitty game.
>>337908520
Of course I'm not suggesting that they should dick with the game for marketing. I'm just suggesting that the marketing team, in their quest to market the game, can influence the game design. In turn, giving publishers free reign of the marketing could limit the creators freedom as they might feel they're forced to create a product that's marketable. I wasn't really suggesting that this happened in this exact scenario, as Lionhead is more than capable of fucking over their own game without the help of others.
>>337899323
I know it's not available on any online stores anymore but does the PC port work on Windows 10?and if so is multiplayer possible?
>>337908923
Ok I guess their discussion about the fucking box art made them draw up the whole king's kid storyline and scrap being able to play as a black. That's totally reasonable, absolutely more so than looking at the only definitive information we actually have access to.
>>337909202
I'm not sure you understand what I just told you. I don't care about how the game turned out, I'm interested in examining the article itself.
>>337901074
>muh challenge
I wish people would shut up with this because they never mean it. If people actually wanted challenge then Far Cry 2 would be the most loved in the series and God Hand would be one of the best selling video games in history.
>>337908797
It's a game based in 15th to 17th century britain
It's like honestly believing Bioware when they say they had sliders to play as a white guy in Jade empire
It never existed and its entire existence is a meme of which you are trying to base an entire argument off of
>>337909327
You mean you desperately want to take his word for it despite >>337907381
>>337909376
No, my argument was about whether publishers putting a white guy on the cover of a video game with customizable characters is dishonest or not.
>>337909517
I'm just interested in looking at the business side of things. Lionhead failed and this article provides us some really interesting tidbits on why, the fact that Fable 3 didnt have its promised diversity is a very telling thing on its own, but it dosent end the discussion like some people think it should. Again I think its just about what we're wanting to focus on.
>>337909592
Then your arguments retards to begin with, because why not just go one step further and say any person on the cover at all is wrong because its YOU playing the game?
it doesn't matter in the slightest and you are mildly retarded
>>337909592
I'd call it "playing it safe". The simple fact is that white faces do sell, but its not like they're saying you can only play as the white guy, hell there could be a mentioning of the customization on the back cover.
>>337909612
>He still thinks the article is genuine
>>337901460
There were many, but only one or two npcs
>>337909906
Can you prove its false without going
>le gamespot
?
>>337899323
I don't think they said those words.
>>337909612
So what's worth focusing on? That the article's more than half a decade late? That the story's probably a lie? That McCormack's vocabulary seems to consist mainly of "fuck" and "you"? That he's got all the negotiative strength of a mudcaked fucking brick? That he has a worse temper than most infants? That what he wanted to market the game as something it's not?
Or the oh so horrible fact that Microsoft wanted to make money and made the right decision for it. Who could have thought, Microsoft, of all people. I can't believe it, I refuse to, that after all these years and earning everyone's trust Microsoft Studios is just in the video game industry for the money. It's unthinkable.
AGAIN OP?
>>337909810
>your argument retards in the first place
he didn't say what his argument was in that post...
>>337909810
I think maybe you should read what I've argued for. I don't think that it is dishonest. You're just imagining that I take a position than I don't take and then you get upset about it.
>>337899323
Only you played as the hero on the cover... This is Tim Schafer levels of peepeepoopoo waaah. I liked Fable 3 story, I think the environments are gorgeous but the game was rushed as fuck. The 18 month dev cycle mentioned there is a proof they've mishandled the contract.
Shame too. The game had potential and if combat and ruling parts got more fleshed out, it would've been great.
>>337910098
I thought I was going crazy for a second
friendly reminder that you couldn't fuck Page in Fable III
>>337908923
>boxart isnt the last fucking thing you work on
>lets stop discussing this angle because I'm quickly appreciating it makes me look stupid
>>337910084
Bro, chill. I straight up said that Microsoft was more in the right than wrong in this situation and that McCormack fucked up pretty bad in how he handled it. Honestly everything you just said...
I think its because I'm aBusiness Studentthat articles like this have a particular interest to me, its pretty much a case study.
And like I said before, if you don't think this angle is worth exploring just don't respond.
>>337910270
dat racist
>>337909982
You can't even play as a black person in the game, so either the story is fake, or they were forced to remove that feature from the game, and if that was the case then it would probably be a much more important story than the cover design.
>>337905220
Cover art is definitely in the publisher's domain. Marketing is their business.
>All this recent fable shilling
Kind of seems like they're trying to make fable relevant again with viral posting.
As if they're about to announce a new fable game...
>>337910461
The only thing of value here is McCormack being a prime example of how not to try and negotiate.
The Microsoft guys were right, and there's nothing he could have said to change that fact.
>>337910553
Yes that's what I said.
>a black female on a video game cover is social justice
The only thing wrong with it is that you can't actually play a black female so why putting her on the cover to begin with
>>337910501
It's not racist it's just gay
She's probably thesecondfirst being the Hero Princessmost attractive woman in the game and she's CANNOT HAVE. Fucking Fable III
>>337899323
That entire article is nothing but hearsay and the author can't even proof check his own writing. 0/10 worst bait.
>WHAT? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? YOU TOOK THAT ANIME GIRLS CLEAVAGE OUT? YOU FUCKING PIECES OF TRASH, KILL YOURSELVES IM NEVER BUYING YOUR GAME AGAIN! What? it's not like im some kind of perv, I just really care about the first amendment and the constitution, back off
>Fable 3 gets censored but from people you agree with
>based Microsoft!
>>337910626
Lionhead, the creators of Fable, got shut down by Microsoft, the latest Fable got cancelled, and ex-Lionhead employees are shittalking Microsoft now that they can, probably.
In all likelihood you couldn't be more wrong.
>>337910553
I was elected to lead, not to read
>>337910642
Yeah, you know, just like how Nintendo Treehouse is completely in the right in all its localisation choices. They're trying to sell a product here.
>>337910874
Here's your (you)
Oh and there's a bit of a gap between taking something out of the actual product and changing something on the cover of a product
>>337910874
>Marketings strategies is the game
Nice opinion you have there.
>>337910850
Hearsay is second-hand information. This is first-hand information. Unless you're going to assume he's lying for no reason and you want a recording of the meetings, you can't really get any closer to the source.
>>337899323
I agree with MS here to not have sjw bullshit on covers of games but, for completely different raisons. If this turns into a thing watch MS go pc and apologize and shit.
>>337910850
>hearsay
Might want to Google the definition
>you can be any kind of hero you want! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
>please choose between a girl and a boy because you can be either a princess or a prince
>this has wild consequences; a love interest that lasts for a few minutes happens around mid-game
>anything and everything is possible!!
>>337911057
>Oh and there's a bit of a gap between taking something out of the actual product and changing something on the cover of a product
Is that so?
>>337910974
political agenda vs demographic appeal
money is objectively right, so opposing demography is always wrong
>>337911106
Tim Schafer also claimed corporate meddling being the reason for Brutal Legend cancellation. Kotick actually proved everyone wrong.
>>337910438
Not quite. I dont think they would argue the cover choice if it wasnt supposed to reflect the game in some shape or form, so again unless we get more than word-of-mouth of when exactly this happened it could've been at the very start of development for all we know.
>>337910502
Right, we could probably dig up some old articles on what was promised during the early stages of Fable 3 advertisement but I dont think anyone is that committed to the discussion.
In the end whats we're looking at behind this article is I guess another snippet of the complete circus that is AAA development.
Its weird how something that would seem to be so inconsequential as a game cover imply so much more behind the scenes at the studio & its relationship with the publisher, again I'm not surprised they ultimately fell apart.
>>337911145
>sjw bullshit
>black guy holding a gun/sword/whatever
I get being anti-SJW or whatever, but there's literally nothing wrong or SJW with someone who's not white being on a video game cover
>>337900448
I've found every fable game boring but fable legend looked promising
>>337910974
I don't have a Wii Woo Yipee so I wouldn't know. You know, every other word out of your mouth has been about /pol/, and now you bring up some weebshit controversy like I'm supposed to care. You could put a little more effort into maintaining your alias.
i it were for dark souls fable would have never even been made
>>337900773
Armors sucked
Corruption/purity sucked
Vegan shit sucked
Being always fat sucked
Final boss sucked
Fighting sucked
Magic sucked
Fable TLC was perfect.
>>337911219
That's just like, your opinion, man.
Not only that you're also just guessing.
So because they allegedly did the same thing as Microsoft for what in your eyes are the wrong reasons, they are scum of the Earth but Microsoft are the saviours of gaming?
>>337911329
That guy isnt me, and I dropped the /pol/ thing which you should clearly remember, given we were going at it for the past 10 minutes lol. Your last post I have no real quibble with, its more or less what I already covered.
>>337911329
I don't know which Anonymous poster you think I am but I don't think I am.
Going back up the reply chain a bit it seems the person(s) you were talking to earlier also didn't mention /pol/ a whole lot so I'm beginning to suspect you might be severely paranoid.
>>337911057
>Oh and there's a bit of a gap between taking something out of the actual product and changing something on the cover of a product
Remember the shitstorm over this?
>>337901074
Nah the thing that pissed me off was the collectables in 2 had shit rewards, most of the demon doors were just there to laugh at you. The reward for shooting all the gargoyles is a piece of shit crossbow, literally the worst ranged weapon out of the bunch, the reward for finding all silver keys is a 50% rebate on that castle you just bought.
>>337911418
a) nice strawman extremes, retard, and b) they did the opposite of microsoft, retard.
>>337911228
>Kotick actually proved everyone wrong.
Because when you hear it from Kotick it's not hearsay?
Regardless, if you'd read the article, you'd notice a paragraph pointing out that not everyone at Lionhead shared McCormack's experiences.
>>337911205
I'm pretty sure the Twitter Troopers aren't Larian's publishers. Not quite the same situation.
>>337911264
Your not entirely correct. See, nobody complains that Lightning or Faith are on the cover of their games. But,its stupid when the sjw dev just wants to have it there to not have whites or men. Or when it feels forced and unnecessary like the cucked swedes putting the nigger there to show the black courage and heroism of those black men and how they will raise above whites.
>>337911264
It's SJW as fuckbut you're right that it's not wrong.
>>337911510
much more annoying is that they never fixed her fingers even in the changed version
fucking hell how blind are artists sometimes?
>>337900114
>sounds like bullshit tbqh
SJWs Always Lie.
>>337911547
>nice strawman extremes
It's called hyperbole, friendo.
>they did the opposite of microsoft, retard
Right, because Microsoft made creative changes against the developers' express wishes, whereas Treehouse...
>>337911647
>But,its stupid when the sjw dev just wants to have it there to not have whites or men.
Such as in the case of....?
>KEK lmao raise above whites
That's just stupid anon
>>337911640
Twitter didn't order them to change anything, their publisher did after looking at the response the image got.
>>337911640
It's exactly the same. The artist's boss told him to change it in order to appeal to a certain demographic, and so he did.
Did they even read the Eurogamer article??
It says in the paragraph right before that it is employee/s of third-party marketing firm hired by Microsoft that said these things NOT Microsoft themselves
>>337911647
It's never not going to be "forced" or "unnecessary" to racists. That's why these things are actually extremely necessary.
>>337911938
lol guess i fucked up
>>337911572
Tim Schafer tried to make it like big bad Kotick is after him, while Kotic explained how Schafer missed every milestone and deadline and demanded more cash
>>337900114
>>337911789
It is probably a paraphrase, yeah, unless you think he was taking notes or has perfect recall?
But he probably covered the gist of those meetings.
>>337911793
the developer wanted the publisher to lie about the content of the game.
>>337905837
Most of site users are inconsistent red pills
>>337912026
And which part of that made it not hearsay?
>>337899323
Fable III had promise but I'm still salty after all of this time that they didn't give you a fucking warning before passing the point of no return. No message, not even a subtle comment from your butler. absolutely disgusting
>>337905732
FUCK U KRAKKA WE WUZ KANGS N SHIEEEEET
>>337912039
I don't think that's particularly relevant to the situation, but anyway, if a publisher wants to slap a T on a cover, in order for that not to be a lie, some changes might have to be made sometimes, yes?
>>337911860
>their publisher
>>337899323
>Lionhead: "Can we put black woman as cover?"
>Microsoft: "No."
>SJWS BTFO!!!
Really?
It seems like you guys put every fucking thing to SJW's.
Gamergate was a huge mistake.
>>337911828
This very one.
>>337911956
>It's never not going to be "forced" or "unnecessary" to racists.
Fucking regressive, you aint going to fool me with this shit. I can you you right there sitting your unemployed fatass next to your wife's black son. Go vote for Bernie if you still can and get triggered by a Sargon of Akkad video.
>>337905837
>the creator's intent.
But this isn't creator's intent.
They never intended to have a black person on the cover because you can't even play as a black person.
This is just some disgruntled ex-Lionhead employee stirring shit.
>>337899323
Can't wait for one of the pull in studio-devs that still work for MS to call him out on his shit because this is 100% bullshit
>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.' I was like, "F**k you, man.' I hated it."
who talks like this
If you're really that dedicated to black cock/vagina then fucking make a reversible cover. If they actually gave a single fuck about their product and their words they would have made a reversible so no one is left out, you choose what your hero looks like, you choose what cover you want.
But they're full of shit so thats why it didn't happen and why Microsoft saw straight through it.
>>337912225
what the fuck are you talking about? all through this thread I've seen you make the shittiest most nonsensical arguments to avoid acknowledging how absolutely BTFO every one of your retard arguments have been.
The rating is not affected by skin tone or gender. how the fuck is the content of the game not relevant to the cover? what the fuck is wrong with you? are you Molyneux?
>>337912269
>This very one
The developer wanted a black female there in order to express to the consumer you can play your own character, not because he wanted to have a nonwhite nonfemale. Again what does that have to do with social justice?
>Microsoft clearly has an agenda here
>let's call Lionhead SJW
never change, /v/
>>337899323
Like most SJW bulkshit this can be filled under:
>things that never happened
I look forward to Microsoft's response.
>>337912460
How dare MS does the things they do
Not false advertising their games just to get brownie points
>>337912246
/v/ just really likes looking for SJWs to "combat"
Not sure if it's gotten better or worse
>>337912460
pretty much why I made a point to remove SJW from the vocabulary of this conversation, it always invites the mouthbreathers
>>337912460
Microsoft has the agenda of making money.
>>337911994
I'm not blaming OP or anyone in this thread, I'm blaming the shoddy video games """"journalist"""" that wrote this article.
>"The marketing was shit," he says. "It was terrible. They just didn't get it. But it wasn't Microsoft's marketing.
>>337912460
When you think of nerdy fantasy game players that was to self insert as a king in their fantasy land who do you think of? Eugine or Shaniqua.
>>337912641
What at all does that have to do with SJWs?
>publisher straight up limits the artistic freedom of a developer out of greed
>it's okay because it's the bad kind of artistic freedom that goes against my agenda because it has brown people and women in it
That was way in the past though.
Right now we have afrikaner kingdoms in AoE on the cover.
SJW pandering became mainstream.
>>337912269
>Fucking regressive
No, fuck you. You know what's regressive? Holding on to standards of "progressive" that are by now half a century old. Or shouting that it's "all about class!" whenever people bring up racial or gendered issues, as if all we'd have to do is wait around for the revolution and all our problems will be solved, and in the meantime there's nothing to be done anyway. It's pretty fucking regressive to claim to be a leftist and then parrot right-wing talking points fed to you by some opportunistic propagandist because you're not well-versed enough in political theory to recognise it. It's goddamn regressive to support leftist causes right up until the point where they personally inconvenience you.
I'm not the "regressive" left. I'm a leftist who actually understands his shit, who stands for the same values and principles that the left always has, and who doesn't compromise them when it gets hard. The regressive ones are the ones who rest on their laurels, coasting on the victories of civil rights movements past, complaining about how true activists "hijacked" the movement from them, fair weather liberals who want nothing more but to maintain the status quo.
Remember when pastebin was used for threads like this?
http://pastebin.com/aE5KuAfr
>>337912743
Having WE WUZ on the cover makes sense because he is one of the factions
>>337912412
>all through this thread I've seen you make the shittiest most nonsensical arguments to avoid acknowledging how absolutely BTFO every one of your retard arguments have been.
Who do you think I am?
>The rating is not affected by skin tone or gender
No, it's not. It's affected by titties, though. So, it's entirely justified to remove them. In fact, lying about the rating could have actual consequences. Putting a character on the cover who doesn't even appear in the game is something many games have gotten away with, especially RPGs where you can create your own character.
>>337912727
If they wanted to micromanage the marketing, maybe they shouldn't have signed on to have Microsoft publish their game?
You've heard the name before, right? Microsoft. Must ring a bell. You see, they're actually quite well known. And not for being the most subtle fellows around either. They should have some idea of what signing off the marketing to Microsoft would entail.
>>337912460
>Microsoft clearly has an agenda here in this conversation that never happened
>>337912770
so literally a rebel without a cause, your generation's grand crusade: videogames
>>337912414
Could that have been conveyed with a white female too? a white man? Or a chink character? Why did he specifically need a nigger woman? It was Fable, create a character was implied to the damn fans.
Maybe the dev had no sjw agenda behind wanting a nigger, maybe, but, im just not convinced. MS did the right call.
>>337912770
I told you to fuck off.
>>337912727
With the cover im kinda tempted to let the publisher have the last say since marketing and selling the game is their job. Going against the advice of the developers is somewhat arrogant though
>>337913017
No, I just happen to enjoy video games. But if I encounter bigotry I'm going to call it out, naturally.
>>337913071
>I told you to fuck off.
Deal w/it
>>337912770
Oh, so you're some college brat who's read an abridged version of some commie sophist's book and fancies him better than all the rest of his ilk. As if it wasn't already bad enough, you just had to add being an obnoxious hipster with an ego that could go supernova at any time to it.
>>337912727
>Have a black person on the cover of a videogame
>You cannot play as a black person and the black person plays no revelance to the game
This is what we call false advertising
you can get into some serious shit for it
>>337913071
Why couldn't he convey it with a black woman if he wanted it to? Would an Asian character be inherently less SJW?
>>337913071
>Why did he specifically need a nigger woman?
Because that's the biggest deviation from the norm, and as such the most effective illustration of the fact that you can play as whatever you want.
>>337913071
>Why did he specifically need a nigger woman?
Did it specifically need to not be one?
You can't put Schrödinger's character on the cover. It has to be something.
>>337913193
Dodging the question isn't the most persuasive rhetoric.
>>337913185
Then I guess this is false advertising, too, and somebody should sue Nintendo/Kemco?
>>337913172
Better an obnoxious hipster with an ego and some college education than an anime nazi manchild who thinks reading /pol/ redpilled him to the true workings of the world and actually learning things is just Marxist brainwashing.
>>337913295
Leading questions should be dodged in order to address the point properly.
>>337913352
>let's dig up super nintendo covers because that's how far we have to go back to find supporting evidence!
I knew this was going to happen in this thread
>>337913295
What rhetoric? You're implying that somehow a black person is more SJW than any other minority, it makes no sense
>>337912564
>pretty much why I made a point to remove SJW from the vocabulary of this conversation
So brave!
>>337913440
Ah yes. I remember the early 90s, when telepathy was still a thing. Truly a different era when it comes to false advertising. You're right that it's not comparable.
>>337913440
Nice rebuttal. How about this cover? Is this false advertising because you don't actually play as an underwater drill robot?
>>337912095
well the 3.7mil fiasco is evidence towards his case. Circumstantial evidence, but it's a pretty strong indicator regardless.
>>337905935
gurl you know shaniqua was a hoe
>>337913368
Why don't you shelf your glorious internet crusade and focus on your exams until you graduate. Must be exhausting being that brave all the time, anonymously telling strangers your opinion on the internet and acting smug about them. You're an inspiration to us all.
>>337912770
nice copypasta
>>337913368
are you a woman?
>>337913663
It's evidence towards both cases because they both tried to explain it.
>>337913368
What is it about 4chan that attracts this kind of copypasta'd individual?
He's white, he's in his late teens and early 20s, he's conservative, he's racist, he's out of shape, socially inept, primarily interested in video games and anime, and knows everything without having left his room
>>337913672
>glorious internet crusade
You seem to be under the impression that I come to /v/ specifically for you, or something. I come here for the same reasons you do, presumably. To talk about video games and shitpost, and when I see someone who's wrong, I call him an idiot. If you think that's too much, you might want to look in the mirror, or at your own posts ITT.
>Interview shows how top management is shit and how big business has no idea how things actually work
>/v/ would usually agree (look at how everyone hates EA)
>but it's about SJW shit
>therefore it's wrong and they're lying and this has literally never happened because something that might even tangentially disagree with what I believe in can't exist
Do you think that really constitutes an enticing cover? Further on in the article it says how big heads were trying to get Ellie moved to the back cover in the last of us, do you think the cover to that would be enticing with just the main dude standing there in a generic MC pose?
>>337913193
>Would an Asian character be inherently less SJW?
Fucking hell, no moron, thats not the point. And yes he couldve, its just he was told not to by MS.
>>337913212
>the norm
Dont buy this, video game covers are diverse as fuck. Dont buy the meme of derp, white men only.
>>337913240
>Did it specifically need to not be one?
No. But, reasons provided for the need of the dev to put the black woman are not convincing in the least. So, if the reasoning is not convincing what is left? Whats in the background? Dev said he wanted to break walls in shit with the game and were amidst a backdrop of sjw attacking vidya. So what can we interpret from that?
All im saying is, this was probably a sjw move BTFO.
>>337913865
Fucking regressives just dont get it do they?
>>337913185
>If the cover doesn't reflect the product 1:1, it's false advertising
Where did you get your business law degree? Youtube?
>>337913865
>But if I encounter bigotry I'm going to call it out, naturally.
uh-huh, good luck changing the world tapping on your keyboard
you'll have better luck losing those love handles by furiously speedtyping, and look at that.
>>337914031
>Fucking regressives just dont get it do they?
I guess you don't, no.
>>337914031
>this was probably a sjw move BTFO
>game in which you can play as any creed
>with same sex marriage
>has a shit ton of other progressive things in it
>but because they couldn't get a black chick on the cover they got BTFO after getting millions in finance to produce an SJW game
holy shit you retard.
>>337914031
>But, reasons provided for the need of the dev to put the black woman are not convincing in the least.
Fuck off, you paranoid cunt. As if you'd ever scrutinise anyone's reasons for wanting a particular character on the cover if it was anything but a black woman. The only one with an obvious agenda here is you.
Even if the dev is an SJW it's THEIR OWN FUCKING GAME they're "attacking" by putting in the shit they want you massive fuckwit.
Stop hiding behind your transparent excuses. Black women trigger you. We get it.
if they wanted a black chick they should have been allowed to do it, censorship is retarded
identity politics is stupid though and Microsoft made the right call from a business perspective, putting a minority on the cover doesn't do anything anyway besides make some liberal feel good about themselves for being progressive
>>337914031
>Dont buy the meme of derp, white men only.
>How dare they put a nigger on the cover!
You're absolutely ridiculous
>>337914081
No really, why is it that everyone in this entire thread is bitching about something, but my bitching deserves to be called out as particularly useless? This is pretty silly. You're doing the exact same thing. Or are you actually going to change the world?
>>337899323
>SJWs constantly bring up TPATF as an example of ingrained racism in media
>the only character people liked or remember was the black villain
>>337912580
This.
>>337914485
Those things aren't neccesarily mutually exclusive. Look at the contradiction of James Earl Jones and John Boyega
>>337914485
I haven't seen it but aren't most of the characters black?
>>337914485
I didn't see the movie because I am racist, I'll admit
>>337914303
They got BTFO ON THE MOVE to have a nigger bitch on the cover moron. Not talking about the game, wouldnt even say the game was a SJW one. However, the game itself got BTFO later and then the studio recently.
>>337914308
I told you to fuck off you damn regressive cunt. Not falling for it.
>>337914457
MADRE DE DIOS, AYA YAI!
>>337914708
Your honesty is pretty refreshing. Baffling that so many people feel the need to pretend that they're better than they are on an anonymous board.
>>337914793
>regressive
Come on, this doesn't even really mean anything coming from you. It's not even clever. It's just "lol I'm gunna say the opposite so it's a bad thing".
>Not falling for it.
For what, exactly? Logic and reason? Compelling arguments? Empathy? Treating people with respect?
>>337914485
There is some racism in America. I'd admit it but not to the extent that these SJW's believe. I would actually say America is less racist than most third world countries I've lived in.
>>337914474
I am. One wank at a time, if I work hard at it the ad revenue will skyrocket and the market look bigger than it is. So it'll see additional investment, sparking further interest and so on creating an economic boom centered around my surprisingly pure perversions in the end modeling the world to my taste.
I'm just here to wait out my refractory period, and I'd prefer not to have some flappy tits bitching while doing so. I pray I'll finally remember to turn off my adblocker before duty calls again.
>>337899323
This game was fucking shit. I remember finishing it in one afternoon, after which I got sick. My body was probably trying to shut down trying to forget this trash.
>>337913553
You fight the underwater drill robot and they're a major feature of the game.
>>337915014
Well, if you're changing the world ever so slightly, then by inconveniencing you, so am I. You've just provided me with the best reason to keep going.
>>337899323
>Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage
This is more than likely absolutely untrue.
>majority of the people who play it are white men
>Will play white men
>It's about whatever hero you want
>Black female on the cover
>>337899323
God what an annoying cunt, Microsoft may be clueless assholes on a lot of things but this isn't one of them.
>>337914981
>For what, exactly? Logic and reason? Compelling arguments?
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
>Empathy? Treating people with respect?
Still not falling for it.
>>337915206
You're right, you certainly don't make it any easier to rub one out. But it's not healthy to be that self-deprecating, you know.
>>337899323
Welp, happy that I never bought the game and I never will buy any Fable games now.
>tfw you dodged a bullet
>>337915248
According toKotakuthey were only beaten by Fallout 2.
>>337915403
>HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
Compelling. Logical. Well reasoned.
>Still not falling for it.
Those were the things then?
Okay, have fun being a living piece of excrement, you regressive troglodyte.
>>337899323
>you are using OUR money and all our research shows it's more profitable to make this relatively pointless art asset fit our criteria, you still get free reign over the actual fucking game, you can put in all the gay and nigger shit you want
>FUCK YOU I WANT TO BE MORE PROGRESSIVE YOU JUST AREN'T GETTING IT DOWN WITH THE WHITE RACE!!!!!!! >:(((((
>>337899323
>black "princess" movie
>set in the south
>the "princess" is a fucking frog for like 3/4s of the movie
What the fuck were they thinking, though?
>>337915650
I told you already, go watch some Sargon videos and get triggered and offended to your hearts content over there cunt.
>>337915431
It's hardly self-deprecating because you're not me.
>>337916057
Why don't you go watch them instead if you need a pat on the back and a safe space without me because you're not going to get it here.
Can you imagine how /v/ would react to great games from the 90s and early 00s if they were released now? 90% of them would be called SJW trash.
Would pic related be called 'degenerate dindu culture promoting trash'?
>>337916159
Keep trying, im never going to fall for it.
>>337907337
So it's OK for Nintendo to censor their games?
>>337899323
Wow I'm actually proud of Microsoft.
They've successfully earns by business for at least another decade.
>>337916241
Yes, jet set radio could never cut it here. All I ever see about it is hatred.
Are you fucking serious? Shit's got style and fucking everyone loves it.
>>337916330
God forbid you might become a decent human being.
No really I have no idea what else you might be referring to.
>>337899323
Why don't they just put a sticker like "SJW approved" on the game, so you know the game sucks before you buy it?
>>337916241
>90% of them would be called SJW trash.
You're retarded.
>pic related
Yeah, a graffity game set in a fictional version of Tokyo where the poster characters are both fair skinned would totally cause an outrage. Fuck off, moron.
>>337916241
Japs devs arent sjw filth.
>>337916592
>God forbid you might become a decent human being.
I fucking hate all of you /pol/ cunts. At least the SJW areas of the internet are ones I never visit.
But you guys shit all over 4chan and now even 420chan. You can't keep to your containment boards, you can't keep your mouths shut.
You are fucking children playing with your own shit. No one likes you apart from the other kids playing with their own shit, so you all sit in shit together showing each other your shit sculptures.
But then you get bored of making shit sculptures and decide to throw shit at the surrounding area and other people. Then when they call you out you show them your shit sculptures, expecting them to praise them like the other shit babies did, but they don't because they see it for what it is: a sculpture made of shit.
And this infuriates you. You can't take the fact that you are imperfect. You fall back on the achievements of your race, of your nation, of historical figures you admire because deep down you know you are nothing and that you will never be anything more than a baby making sculptures out of their own shit.
>>337916673
It's hip hop culture mate. It's huge in Japan with streetwear and cornrows being popular.
Sorry that Japan isn't your pure culture, moron.
>>337916815
>Greentext
>Smug anime girl
I accept your concession.
>>337912770
Off yourself fatty.
>>337899323
The point of your game is whatever the publisher says it is
>>337916592
>selling out your own tribe
>shitting on the legacy of your ancestors
These are something a decent human being does? I hope you understand there's only one single race on this entire globe that has this kind of insane bleeding-heart altruism and once it's gone it won't exist anymore. Once whites are a minority the one that comes out top will shit on everyone else. It'll be most likely Asians, at least I hope so because otherwise we're completely fucked.
And about Asians: they can't even stand other Asians from different countries. South-Koreans hate Japanese, Chinese hate both and the Japanese hate Koreans and dislike everyone else. Naturally they all think that the less developed Asian countries are shit and they all share common disdain for Muslims and Blacks, which is pretty awesome.
So yeah, I like the future you're trying to bring forth. Keep up the good job.
>>337917072
Could it be? Am I falling for it now maybe perhaps? Lets check, nope still not falling for it. Keep inserting coins baka.
Thank God Lionhead is dead.
>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.' I was like, "F**k you, man.' I hated it."
That shit is fucking hilarious. In the face in hard facts all the cuck has to say is, "FUCK YOU MAN, DON'T EVER TALK TO ME OR MY WIFE'S SON AGAIN!"
>>337916948
Countries are being ruined by pro muslim sjws your biggest problem is pol how stupid can you get?
>>337912770
I agree with you. I'm very left-leaning or liberal in US terms, but I can't get behind Fat positivity or Healthy at Every Size.
I refuse to accept that being unhealthy isn't a moral concern. It certainly is, and obesity is capitalism at it's most unhealthy. How are you supposed to play your part in a fair society if you are too fat to do anything?
>>337900114
The wording is filtered through a faggot sjw, but that's it. Businesses know that diversity has to be smuggled in, because nobody actually wants it.
>>337916948
Welcome to humans. Smelly, dumb, evolved ape scum.
>>337916241
>only 3 nogs in a game heavily inspired by hiphop and they're in the back
looks fine to me
>>337917413
See, friend, this is who you're aligning yourself with: >>337917407
>>337899323
>>337900039
this, i don't understand why they would put a black person on the cover when you can only play a white man or woman. The argument should have been about the mc or to have the choice of your race otherwise it doesn't make sense
>>337916948
When white males are all wearing government mandated cuck leashes, I'll come and thank you
>>337917749
Well he's right about Asians hating each other. Asians even tend to hate themselves too.
>>337917059
Who gives a shit? Hip hop is already the watered down version of actual nigger rap. And aside from that it has J-pop, funk, electronic dance music, rock music, acid jazz, trip hop according to wikipedia. It's nowhere near trying to promote niggers. It's you being a literal autist grasping for straws.
>>337917749
Pfft no! That cant bstill not falling for it.
>>337906838
Let's take Bravely Default as an example. SE is a "succesful" company. Lionhead is not. That's why Nintendo pushing censorship on SE makes no sense, and they should hang for it.
Microsoft investing in LS to push their Xbox makes sense. But LS is a trashy company, and Molyneux only made great games back at Bullfrog. Microsoft is justified in pushing decisions on their products.
Context is everything.
>>337917749
Ah, ignorance is a bliss.
By the way, Muslims don't even help each other even though they share a culture, language and a religion. All that altruism you're feeling is part of the western culture, it doesn't exist at such a large scale anywhere else.
But hey, it's nice to save the world. Keep on going!
>>337918341
So you're now admitting to being unabashedly racist? And you still expect us to take your transparent arguments against putting a black woman on a video game cover at face value?
>>337918453
Hm, yes, we should be more like Muslims. Good point.
>>337911510
>they're holding hands
I never noticed this until just now
>>337918571
Keep the keks coming.
lol
Nobody wants to play as a woman, or a black.
Why does this matter? Fable 3 fucking sucked dick and killed all hope I had for western rpgs. Are people now praising MICROSOFT because they stuck it to the SJWs? I'm not surprised, people fell for the DOAX3 meme and gave playjews their money.
>>337918672
So now you're saying that we're better than Muslims because we help others so we shouldn't become like them, people who don't help others?
Oh wow, you just went there. Keep the keks coming indeed. This is why I love people like you.
>>337906519
It did great actually, the worst Disney film is this.
>>337918834
I'm not sure where to go from here, I think I've pretty much exhausted the ways in which you are wrong and you've been acting like a broken record for a while now.
>>337899323
>Sonycucks whine on NeoGAF about muh wimmins and much nigglets
>Based Xbros are having none of it
>>337919008
Well, if we accept your premises for a moment, then you were in fact saying that we should be more like Muslims, at least when it comes to helping others. And, again, supposing your premises are correct, then this is one particular aspect in which I indeed do believe the West is superior to the Muslim world.
Now, I'm not saying I necessarily accept your premises. But you surely do, seeing how you proposed them. So you must be advocating the abandonment of Western values in favour of Muslim ones.
>>337899323
based microsoft
>>337919046
>I'm not sure where to go from here
I already told you, down to Sargon boulevard to get triggered you regressive leftist cunt.
>>337918453
Majority of refugees from the current middle east crisis were taken in by muslim countries.
But yeah, keep believing right wing media if that appeals to you.
>>337919330
Right, you broken record.
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
>>337919025
How does Burton keep making movies, I swear his fan base and The NBC crowd dwindled to nothing there past few years .
>>337919293
Wait til MS is full of crazed street shitting Indians, Then they'll make you conform to their culture
>>337919008
>people who don't help others
>>337919202
China doesn't take any refugees either, nor does Japan. I'd rather go with the Japanese way of doing things, considering this is the weaboo central.
>>337919479
Is Apple pushing some India agenda since 1/3 of the engineers are Pajeets.
>>337899323
Technically "Home on the Range" and "Treasure Planet" are the most unsuccessful ones
Fable 3 was a piece of shit
>>337919414
It doesn't change the fact that there are Muslims countries that flat out refuse any refugees. Even one is enough for me and proves my point.
>>337919615
You think these guys will listen?
>>337919638
If it was actually my intention to make you fall for something I'd say you fell for it ages ago.
>>337899323
>Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage
wooow really? because we all know gay marriage is a big taboo in the gaming world.
>>337919574
The Muslims are equal to the Japanese in that regard though, in your eyes, so that's a meaningless distinction.
>>337919772
2004 is a long time ago, friend.
>>337919702
Which ones were they?
>>337919615
When people talk "Disney movies" they mean the princess ones.
>>337919574
They're on the other side of the world and last time I checked, they haven't invaded countries in the middle east recently.
>>337919913
I'm actually curious to know what's going on in your mind right now.
>>337899323
>we were about breaking down walls
I don't care what the fuck the person on the cover looks like. It's about making a good game.
I remember playing Halo: Reach. I loved noble team. Not because one was black or a chick. I loved them because they were well written. I genuinely cared about them.
Stop trying to push this shit. Fuck.
>>337912770
kill yourself you fucking faggot.
>>337920018
Then that means Brave is the worst.
How can you call it censorship when something you want is removed by the publisher but not censorship when this happens lol
you're all insane
>"They said, 'What's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, 'I don't know.' They went, 'Princess and the Frog. Work it out.'
kek that is fucking awesome. Based Microsoft telling it how it is - whites want to see whites just like every race wants to see their own race.
Nothing wrong with that.
This sounds really retarded
>>337902250
>5% of 13% of the population
that's pretty generous.
>>337920052
Whats going on is that I have not and will not hook on your bait and Japanese women porn.
>>337920194
But they are wrong, Brave was the worst Princess movie and Home on the Range was the worst Disney movie.
If the deal says that microsoft has the right to choose the game cover then so be it. If you want to determine your own cover make a deal where you have the right to do so. All you idiots who say microsoft is 'censoring' the game dev should kill yourselves. Microsoft is simply doing what is in their rights as the publisher.
>>337919954
Saudi-Arabia for starters. Oman? Qatar? These are not Muslims countries?
And don't even get started with "they are not neighbouring countries!" bullshit, it doesn't stop them from travelling to the other side of the globe.
>>337899323
as an oppressed white man, based microsoft
>>337920176
Where is this black woman removed from the game? It was only about a cover that some lionhead shitter was trying to score diversity points with.
>>337906623
There's more to it. It came out at a time when a couple heavily marketed blockbusters were also coming out. I don't even think it did that poorly but I may be wrong
>>337920318
Okay, but, like, how did you actually perceive this conversation? Because it's obviously different from reality. If I could get into the mindset of someone as obstinately wrong as you, I'm sure that would facilitate mutual understanding.
>>337920328
That statement in particular is wrong but you have to think bigger than that. Part of PatF's failure is because the main character is black.
>>337919819
So now you are saying that we're even better than the Japanese simply because we help the refugees?
Your arrogance knows no bounds and your racism is hilarious.
THIS IS CENSORESHIP!!!
WE OF GAMERGATE WE'LL HAVE NONE OF IT!!!
START TWITTING #BLACKSTRONGWOMENONFORCOVER BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF KIA AND #NOTYOURSHIELD
>>337920336
CENSORSHIP IS CENSORSHIP
IT'S ALL WRONG
WHERE ARE ALL THE CLEAVAGE-OBSESSED WEEBS TO BACK ME UP
YOU SAID IT WAS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING AND I BELIEVED YOU
Princess and the Frog made alot of money and had a 71% on Rotten Tomatos. This train wreck is the worst Disney movie.
>>337920150
Brave was 2012 this talk was around 2010 and Brave did well money wise $500 mill vs $200 mill for princess and the frog.
>>337920484
PatF wasn't a failure, Brave was a misleading pile of shit, and Home on the Range was just awful in every way.
>>337920502
Typical alt-right magical thinking, you just steer the conversation in the right direction, put words in people's mouths, drop the magic word (like "racist"), and voilá, you've paralysed them! That's how SJWs work, right?
It's actually pretty funny. Like a cargo cult trying to summon supplies with a bamboo radio.
For the record, I think it is better to help refugees than not help them. Any racial component you want to add to that is on you. I'm not following you in your racist reasoning.
>>337919414
>Majority of refugees from the current middle east crisis were taken in by muslim countries.
Correct, but the majority of countries refused them. The biggest ones being Qatar, the United arab emirates and Saudi arabia. all of them are wealthy islamic countries. The islamic countries that are taking refugees are all countries right next to syria, so any refugees in europe chose to come to europe. They weren't forced.
>>337919882
I just played a game released in 2005 yesterday. It was okay. Better than the average cucksclusive today
>>337899323
Because black woman says tolkien-esque fantasy game right?
Because the fantasy game audience will identify with a black woman right?
Because black women play fantasy games right?
>>337920513
>>>NeoGAF
>>337920454
I get it, some morons sprung your trap back there but, if wasnt enough. You want the golden goose, the one that doesnt buy your dumb shit, the one that..... triggered you...... Keep trying cunt.
>>337920397
I will concede that a lot of the Gulf States are scummy and get away with it because of the amount of money the West gets from them, but they have taken in Syrians.
But you're burying your head in the sand if you think it's some pan-Muslim thing to not accept refugees.
Should Christian nations all be judged by the actions of a minority of other nations because they to are Christian? You probably wouldn't like that happening to your country, would you?
>>337920620
did that even have a marketing budget
>>337920727
i looked it up. PatF grossed half of what Brave did. PatF would be considered a failure by disney execs because disney doesn't aim for mere profit, but for blockbuster hits.
>>337920869
They should've done a compromise cover where they had like 10 different versions of the main all reaching for the crown with genericwhiteman in the center because WHITEMAN
>>337920869
>tolkien-esque fantasy game
>Fable
>>337920901
ayyy hol up, u sayin we wuz aliens? lmao
>>337920738
So I point out your hypocrisy you go: "No! I'm not the racist! You are!"
And I'm the funny one? You've clearly said many times that we are better simply for helping others and that we shouldn't stoop down to their level by not helping. How is this not racist?
I know I'm a racist, I've never denied it in the first place and I honestly don't care. The problem is that you're obvious racist as fuck yet you keep judging people from your high horse with your mightier than thou attitude. You're insane. And funny. I like it.
If the message was "be whatever hero you want", why not have have a multitude of different heroes on the cover?
>>337920696
Well I just looked it up and you are right but this movie is actually the worst. PatF did do great but it wasn't spectacular. The black cauldron didn't even make it pass their budget
Lads, I'd hate to break up this #based circlejerk, but isn't this censorship on a developer by a huge multinational corporation?
Aren't we supposed to be against that kind of thing?
>>337920994
Are there goblins? Are there orcs? Are there elves?
>>337899323
Should we worry about the gameplay?
>"Nah senpai, we got a cover to plan. WE WUZ PROTAGS N SHIT"
>>337920901
What, you mean the guy that admitted to being a racist? You think if you keep denying it that you somehow win? I could already tell, I don't need you to admit it.
What do you even think this is about any more? If you're not going to contribute any more arguments for me to rebut, aren't we pretty much done?
>>337920727
Patf was a failure for a Disney princess film it only made $267 million worldwide.
Im glad lionhead is dead
>>337921183
we all are, anon
>>337920949
>PatF would be considered a failure by disney execs because disney doesn't aim for mere profit, but for blockbuster hits.
It's actually is half a failure, it did make 200 million more than its box office and it was on the number 1 spot for awhile. It also broke a record or something I think.
>>337921096
Because thats not how sjws work. Blackwashing and eventually no whites is what they want.
>>337921182
Why make the first black princess only for her to be a frog most of the time.
>>337921102
$100 million profit worldwide for a high profile Disney princess movie that had a lot of advertising and at a time where social media exists is shameful.
>>337899323
>Damn it! You missed the point!"
Was the point that black women underperform?
>>337899323
Now if only the game was actually good
>>337921291
>Implying anything Brianna Wu says is true
>>337921291
I bet she thought fake twitter Kaz was actually the real one
>>337899323
Why don't you just make a reverse cover like what Bioware did with Mass Effect 3?
>>337905837
You cant even play as a black person, so a black woman on the cover would be stupid AND false advertizing
>>337921086
You invented my hypocrisy by attributing your own reasoning to me, forgetting for a moment that it would make you equally hypocritical if you subscribed to it yourself.
If I supposedly think the West is superior to Muslims, then you think Muslims are superior to the West. You can't eat your cake and have it, too. Of course, you were the one to introduce some sort of comparative racial component to all this in the first place. The right thing is the right thing regardless of who else does or doesn't do it.
You're not nearly as clever or logical as you think you are, I'm afraid. You put so much effort into a simple "gotcha" that didn't even really pay off and now you're just pretending it did anyway.
>>337921291
>all those trannies in the retweet section
You can see the manjaws from a mile away.
>>337921142
I don't think so, no.
>>337921256
>and it was on the number 1 spot for awhile.
nobody is denying that it accomplished these irrelevant things that disney doesn't value. protip: disney didn't want a film released in 2009 to earn half of what the lion king did almost 2 decades prior.
>It also broke a record or something I think.
some meaningless record i'm sure
>>337906704
Its not censorship you mong. Microsoft controls the marketing, not the devs
>>337921171
I havent won yet, when I leave the thread or it dies having not sprung your trap is when I win. Soon, for now roll those keks.
>>337921291
I bet it was Shu.
>>337921435
Anon, I agree with you and your arguments but this is a lost cause.
He's already revealed to us that his world view is ignorant and simplified, and that he won't budge on that because people like that don't like change, so you're wasting your time.
>>337921326
It's very shameful, it did make it up in DVD sales I believe.
>>337920924
I'll judge European nations if they don't take in European refugees in case of military conflict if one ever happens again. But at the moment we're taking refugees from everywhere, anywhere, and it's too much, because there's this fucked up ideology that we owe it to the world to save it, which is complete bullshit. So your point is moot.
With confidence I can say that every European nation would take European refugees in case of war. I expect same from every other ethnicity as well.
>>337921597
If you're so desperate not to spring my trap you could also, you know, leave.
>>337906704
>Hey we want this
>i am your superior and i say no, you do this
>okay
CENSORSHIP
>>337920547
it's not censorship if it's microsofts job to choose the cover you idiot.
>>337921416
this desu
>>337921692
That has been repeatedly and unambiguously defined as censorship by /v/.
>>337921291
i really wish these stories were true because it would indicate high-level execs don't care about race or sex.
but i think they unfortunately do and it makes me sad
>>337900114
Of course that shit is gonna be fake
>Implying Microsoft execs were yelling fuck and shit to him
>>337921546
The Record is making it the highest-grossing start to date for an animated movie in December, a record previously held by Beavis and Butt-Head Do
America. That's pretty good honestly but not by Princess standards I suppose.
>>337921754
>It's not censorship if it's Treehouse's job to localise you idiot.
>>337921775
But was the game changed ? USA / Japan/ Yuro covers are sometimes vastly different, but it is seen as a joke/non issue.
>Hey I want to put a black woman on the cover
>Can you play as a black woman?
>No
>Then no black woman besides they don't sell well on game covers
>RACIST I BET YOU HATED PRINCESS AND THE FROG YOU FUCKS
Man I loved Fable TLC played it so many times the silver key locations were burned into my head. I have done all kinds of builds focusing on one of the specialties, getting everything, beating the game without leveling up, and with the starting armor, the beard you get on the boat or was it the dungeon jail looks hilarious on your "18" year old character. Fable 2 was alright dog was cool if a little wonky at times, I missed bows but guns were alright. I hated the final boss it was just anti climactic compared to the build up of it, I never got married or anything before the end of the main quest so when he said he killed my family I was like who, until he killed my dog and I flipped. The halo armor was nice too.
>>337899323
>Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls.
God the fucking excuses, if it was a good game it would have sold you fucking cunt.
>>337921691
Eh, 2/10.
>>337921983
I BET YOU LIKED SNOW WHITE BECAUSE OF THE WHITE PART YOU LITERAL NAZI.
>>337921667
The trouble is that European nations had empires, and this means they have a big responsibility on the world stage.
The structures of empire and the movement of people within that empire don't just suddenly evaporate because we decide we don't like it anymore.
>>337921981
>USA / Japan/ Yuro covers are sometimes vastly different, but it is seen as a joke/non issue.
Except on /v/.
Welcome to the board, enjoy your stay.
>>337922042
>>337921983
Do white people actually male these accusations against each other?
>>337922021
fATso FUckiN dIES
>>337899323
i think that a black female on the cover WOULD have negatively affected sales, because despite what buzzfeed will tell you, white males are the prominent demographic.
but it was a shit game regardless so who cares lol
>>337903198
This man understands it. It doesn't matter how hard you pander to the SJW minded people, however loud they may seem. In the end, they just don't like video games that much and wont give developers any kind of return on investment.
>>337921138
DELETE THIS RIGHT. FUCKING. NOW.
>>337922021
Your home videos aren't much of an argument.
>>337922107
*make
You could be a shemale nobbit in old ultima games
Obviously white dude on the cover
Who gives a shit
>>337922107
>Do white people actually MALE these accusations against each other?
WHY CANT THEY FEMALE THOSE ACCUSATIONS YOU FUCKING SEXIST
all this beta uprising
My favorite thing with this whole gamergate thing, the person that summed it all up for me; A popular gamergater is making a farming sim game, I forgot the name of her and her game. She complains about trigger warnings. 99% of what I imagine gamergate is upset about is “being nice to other people” which includes adding “trigger warnings” to software (like what we already have “game contains violence” etc, but hey ho). This woman also has epilepsy. So, undoubtedly she must also support the removal of epilepsy warnings in games. Except she doesn’t support such warning removals! Hypocrasy. Thy name is gamergate. Then again they also hate “social justice” and yet engage in mass emailings (social) to change something to suit themselves (justice), and do so quite rudely or with vigor (warriors).
>>337922219
Females are usually wrong so...
>>337900448
Fable 2 =/> Fable 1 > Fable 3
That's my opinion anyway. Fable 3 was complete trash, I could barely even push myself to finish it.
Such a shame because of the great voice acting and voice actors they got for the game...
>>337922107
Yes there are some people so deranged that they do thinking they are arbiters of justice and morals.
It's like a modern version of "the white man's burden" it's ridiculous.
>>337922319
TRULY?!
>f**king
>F**k you!
>F**k you, man
My name is Donte the Game developer.
>>337921435
So because I don't want endless waves of immigrants from hostile culture, I'm as bad as them so you win this... hilarity in your mind?
So I'm not as bad as the Japanese or the Chinese, I'm exactly as bad as the Muslims who are basically shit in every possible way? Not as bad as the Japanese or the Chinese who have built a functioning society, in which Muslims have failed? I'm exactly as bad as the evil Muslims you think are inferior to us because they don't help each other?
I really do love the way you think. It's insane though.
Nice chat, time to eat.
>>337899323
I like that when anytime someone uses SJW in a derogatory manor, you know right off the bat what kind of person they are and can ignore everything else they say about whatever it is they’re bitching about.
It’s like a big flashing warning sign that you cannot have a reasonable argument with that person.
>>337922098
Covers are definitely jokes as seen in the cover threads. The changes are nonsensical like German robots or just Naughty Drake.
>>337922186
Weak.
Imma give you a couple more chances to bait me. Make them count because otherwise you are going to lose and I dont know how youre going to cope with not having put that shitlord in his place today. Your obese body wont be able to take that over stress from your over triggering and you might suffer a heart attack. We wouldnt want that do we?
>>337922047
>had empires
If we go by that there have been a lot of empires on this globe. Where's their responsibility?
I actually liked the grandma in PatF, it was a good movie. I didn't like that Scottish bitch from Brave, she was a misleading Jezebel.
>>337922512
>So because I don't want endless waves of immigrants from hostile culture, I'm as bad as them
Don't look at me, that's what you've been arguing. I only had to point it out to you.
>>337922679
Absorbed by the people who took over
>>337909359
Far Cry 2 isn't the most loved in the series?
Also marketing difficulty is a thing, why do you think soulsborne got the dudebro audience?
>>337922447
Factually
>>337922432
That's just sad yo.
>>337922639
I'm not going to lose, though. I've out-argued you at every juncture. You're just holding on to this fantasy that there are a couple of magic words that signal your defeat (I don't even know what you think I want from you), and if you just avoid those, you've basically already won. I guess it's a coping mechanism?
>>337911264
The entire discussion about it being a race issue to begin with was obviously manufactured by marketers to get buzz going about the game
>>337922919
Well it worked, only took 6 years and the death of the company
we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls.
why do fags always gotta make it about themselves?
>>337915904
Good songs though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAY-78zhmw
>>337899323
BASED for once,they were right aswell look at how the reaction to bf1 is very few people knew about the harlem hellfighters now everyone is shouting it from the roof tops to win arguments
>>337923042
>we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls.
forgot my meme arrow
>>337914007
White men on the covers sell
Black women dont
Look at ass creed liberation
It sold like dogshit
>>337922919
/pol/ are marketers?
>>337911145
My problem with bf1 is that Americans in general are overplayed as protagonists it's set in ww1 where a bunch of nations were in action throughout and instead we get Americans, that and the game covers with a person are overplayed to fuck.
>>337922892
Meh, 7/10. Not good enough though. One more chance.
>>337923176
But the Walking Dead sold well.
>>337899323
Even if this fabricated piss of shit blogged by a loser with angst trying to virtue signal by hyperboling and lying had even a shread of truth, this is all countered by one simple fact:
You can't fucking play a non-white person in Fable 3, black or otherwise!
Fucking faggot, hooe he never finds a decent gig again. An SJW AND a liar.
Lol What a gay.
>>337921138
Nobody is supporting censorship, we're saying that this guy's story never happened
>>337903290
99% of gamers are white males so they have to deal with it
>>337899323
>"I was screaming at them in conference calls"
Whoa sonny, might be overreacting over something so minimal compared to the problems that existed within the game.
>He just wanted this turd of a game to be remembered for being progressive. Being really shitty took that away from it.
>>337923462
Leaving so soon? Am I getting too close for comfort? You can feel yourself being tempted? I understand. Leave, if you can't take it any more. But I'm going to take that as an admission that I've won, even by your standards.
>>337914485
Mama Odie was pretty good.
>>337923014
I was talking about Battlefield
>>337923576
>99%
Anon....I say it's about 70-80%, considering Black guys,Asian guys, Mexican guys, etc. play games.
>>337923210
The /pol/ boogeyman is a tiny voice that nobody in their right mind cares about and is going to be racist regardless. Specifically they wanted even just one person to make a racist statement so they could get a train of people defending the game from all those mean mean racists (hey look it worked).
>>337922047
>The trouble is that European nations had empires, and this means they have a big responsibility on the world stage.
When does this "white man's burden" bullshit end? Decolonization was 60 years ago. Europe does not have an eternal debt to nonwhites, they need to stand on their own or die out.
>>337923462
>>337923665
kill yourselves
>>337923920
It wasn't "just one person" though, it was days upon days of endless shitposting.
Did they want it? I don't know. If they did, you played right into their hand, didn't you? Because they're absolutely right that the only people shitting on the game right now are blatant racists.
It's weird that you've turned their supposed defence entirely on its head and now we can't call out racists because they're criticising a game (even if it is on racist grounds), which I guess /v/ values above everything.
>>337922679
>>337923928
woah you two annihilated that moron's argument
>>337923928
60 years ago they meddled because it was their responsibility. Then it became their responsibility because they meddled.
Basically you're not going to get rid of this until it's fixed.
>>337923665
You continually attempted to bait me with your regressive bullshit and other ramblings but, no dice for you. I win, this is me grandstanding, take it. Bye and have a horrible day you regressive cunt.
>>337924448
Cool, I win.
Although there as basically no way out of that last one for you. You really dug yourself in a whole with this arbitrary silliness.
Didn't these niggers once posted a photo a woman with huge tits on Twitter and then the SJW's went fucking nuts and they removed it?
>>337924269
Not Europe's fault everyone else was shit at defending themselves.
>>337905142
>Shuts down studio who makes generic games and are SJW Faggots
>Backs indies like Cuphead
When did Microsoft become so based?
>>337923042
>>337923159
It's not even true, Fallout 2 which came out 12 years earlier had gay marriage.
>>337924594
It was cleavage day or something and they posted a big boob lady and a man with assless jacket thing, people cried because boobs on the internet have never existed before.
>>337905914
>breaking boundaries
that is leftist cuck sjw politics in a nutshell you fucking moron
>>337922681
Not even him, you're literally insane. You're drunk on the feeling of superiority by thinking you are in any way altruistic and not just self-serving.
Is your country literally empty of homeless people and poor people? You really prefer some towelhead with bad habits and a horribly violent and primitive culture to get your attention and time of day than your own people?
Do you respect your people so little?
You can learn a thing or two from Muslims. They have a backwards worldview but atleast they care about their people.
There's nothing wrong with placing your people above others, every single non-white nation does so, even failed ones. This is purely white guilt for an event that happened 70 years ago and somehow every modern white person has to now shoulder the burden.
You need help. I'm saying this as a non-white man.
>>337906023
I can imagine Don Mattrick telling him that
Fucking hilarious
>>337924594
McCormick left around 2012 the cleavage thing was 2015.
>>337906079
>That doesnt mean they arent pieces of shit
In this day and age they're heroes
>>337925053
>>337922512
Not that guy but...
You guys are browsing /v/. You should know better than doing pic related.
>All this Xfag damage control
Delicious
>>337919025
That's not the Overrated Lion King
Frankenweenie was ok...nothing special but it was watchable
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