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First Question:
Why is Pontiff Sulyvahn so based?
>>337893865
because eh kills faggots and doesn't afraid of anything
i actually don't know. he's almost mary sue status.
>badass dual sword wielder
>is also the pope, must have also have great wisdom and intellect
>is the driving force behind half of the evil dickery in the game
>ex-sorcerer fake pope dual-wielding ultra greatswords
I bet his faith is only 5 or some shit
>>337894194
It's Dark Souls, you're in a dying world and only the strongest are still around and not hollow.
>kill him first try just now
Wow, I was expecting to get my ass kicked.
Of course now I'm getting fucking destroyed by the knights on the steps of Anor Londo. Speaking of, why the fuck is Anor Londo here? Why are the knights still here? Are they the same guys, is this the same place, or are they like, people who found their armour and remade their city or something?
I'm having a pretty fun adventure so far, I was expecting the game to be mostly dead and brown but it's been more colourful and interesting than I thought.
>>337893865
>based
>not a monster who ended up fucking up his most loyal of servants and warriors
>"I think I'll worship an evil blob that eats people today"
t. Pontiff Sulyvahn
>>337894347
What is this?
Does it occur to any other enemies?
Looks neat.
How the fuck does the area that you go to after Champion Gundrye even exist? If It's supposed to be the future then how does it exist at the same time as the rest of the game?
>>337894246
>Need 12 faith
Sulyvahn's build is unoptimised lmao
>>337894347
I wish you could save them.
>>337894521
>Hit its nose hard enough
>Critical attack
>Wait for it to stop flailing
>Watch it pray forever
>>337894521
as far as i know, it's only the crocdogs who has this pre-death animation.
>>337894347
What is that thing doing why is it doing that?
>>337894194
What did he exactly do?
>>337893865
>based
>cant hit a nigga cause he sat down
this dude is basically the star wars kid if people took him serious on accident.
>>337894627
>pre-death
>not sparing them
>>337893865
What's the deal with the Profane Fire anyways? and what exactly was Yhorm doing down there in the capital? Was the capital supposed to be a city or what?
>>337894714
Sully's dogs are his followers he's shoved so many dregs into they turned into beasts.
>>337894627
You can also shatter the stray demon's knee causing him to flop onto the ground. I actually found him more dangerous after that, but any attack to his face then ends up a visceral.
>>337894816
i need the rings, anon ;_; Sulyvahn made two monsters that day.
>>337894943
IIRC the old demon king kind of gives up at the end too.
The game really does like that motif. It's a bit sad.
>>337894943
Ah fuck, good point. forgot about that
>>337894714
>What did he do?
Sit down, anon. This may be a long list
>Find the Profaned Flame
>Take over Irithyll
>Take over Anor Londo
>Likely executed all remaining gods
>Fed Gwyndolin to Aldrich
>Locked Yorksha in a tower until it is her turn to be eaten
>Has the followers of the religion he is leading sacrifice themselves to Aldrich, including children
>Send out people he didn't like on suicide missions
>Gave said people rings that drove them insane and turned them into beasts
>Stripped the Dancer of her status and maybe clothes
>Caused the Dancer's armor to fuse to her skin
>Imprisons people in the Irithyll dungeons with those fucking Jailers
>Likely has connections to the Dark
>Speculation about if he was the one who sent Aldrich to become a Lord of Cinder just so he can usurp the gods
>>337893865
why doesn't he get new threads? his pope robes are in tatters.
>>337895045
Yup, it's great detail, wish more of hte bosses had that
>>337895045
Add in rock lizard football and this game is pretty much Bully Simulator.
>>337894627
When you fight the old demon king, he 'kindles' himself at about 75% HP
at about 10% he starts charging and after a set time will nuke the area around him and his flame goes out, most people kill him while he charges, but if you dont, and avoid the nuke, he falls to his knees and tries to get back up, but cant, if you get to close he tries to slap you away, but nothing happens, goes on until you kill him. I would get a webm but my toasters too shit to record anything worthwhile
>>337895074
wonder how many centuries have past to make him so brittle.
>>337895161
Vordt, his old tailor, got banished for accidentally spilling his coffee
Trust me, I work at From Soft
>>337894943
I died to the asshole more when he was on two because he kept chucking my ass of the bridge.
I've played through the game three times, and i still didn't know he could do that originally i thought he just squeezed you until you mashed out.
Next thing i know i was getting tossed left and right.
>>337894625
>>337894625
Where is this? I only remember seeing this thing in Iratjyll
>All these people talking how cool this guy is and how cool the buildup to his fight was
>Meanwhile I have no fucking idea what's going on except that Aldritch apparently enjoyed eating so much he became an obese slug and attained cult status
Someday I'll stop being a dumbass nigger and pay a modicum of attention to the lore in these games.
>>337895453
Behind a hidden wallWatch out, there are two of them
>>337895453
remember where those two drang NPCS were with the sleeping giants and fireball throwing clerics? inside the building behind those two npcs there is an illusry wall that will take you down where aldrich faithful covenent is at
>>337895293
yeah it's sad stuff, here is webm of it >>337895185
What's the lore on this guy?
>>337895245
got you covered, familia
>>337895667
>asshole dickhead wants power and eternal life
>consorts with the abyss somehow to get it
>deathy afraid of the abyss swallowing him up too, wears bracelets to stave it off
>you break his bling and he gets eat by the abyss
>>337895528
Aldritch didn't enjoy eating people/gods, he felt like he had to so survive the Age of the Deep he knew was coming. Eating so many deformed/cursed people turned him into a big blob, when Sully found him, he thought "hey a giant blob, I'll bet I can spin this into a major religion".
>>337895631
Didn't see the webm until my post already went through, sorry for being a slow faggot
great webm that shows it off though, shoutout to that anon.
>>337895846
no worries dude just wanted to link to it in case you want to save it, yeah i loved the details to this stuff, especially seeing as they were vestiges of the original game. it hits a bit hard
>>337895528
I know exactlybwhat you mean, I was just running around killing shit having no idea what was going on or who those monsters were.
>>337895160
Reading this a lot of things clicked with somethings I read but.
>Stripped the dancer of her clothes and fused her with her armor.
Did he rape her and where was it stated she was fused to the armor.
>>337895667
The Abyss supersized him.
>Deciding to be a grape
>>337895816
oh fuck me, is that what the bracelets were for? i like this, makes him being dragged away a bit sad, even if he deserves it
>>337895950
Her armor states that it is fused to her skin
Her blades just state that he made her into a Dancer after fashioning blades identical to his for her, which to me sounds like he fancied her a bit. Rape is purely speculation, though a Frollo/Esmeralda relationship between them would amuse me
>>337895950
You didn't read that, her flesh bound with the armour ala the regular outrider knights and vordt because of the pontiff rings turning you into beasts.Fairly sure the two phantoms you see leaving are Vordt and the Dancer
>>337896102
fuck i was curious about those two phantoms we see in irithyll...
>>337894331
The reason we are seeing old locations is the very world is trying to force the Lord's together so that they man the fuck up, do thier jobs, and link the flame. Like tectonic plates shifting enrire continents closer together.
Biggest evidence of this in terms of enviroment can found first in the undead settlement (enormous fissure splitting it's way through the area) next go to the profaned capitol. You dont think the entire city was just that one area and yhorms palace was normally cleaved in half exposing it from the cliff side do you? Lastly right before the last fight you can see a fuck tons of cities and shit piled up and rolled together as the earth (as in dirt) tried to drag the Lord's to the site of the first flame.
>>337896062
>A holy sword eroded by the Abyss. When Wolnir fell to the Abyss, he was gripped by a fear of true darkness, and pleaded to the gods for the first time.
>This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort.
>>337896172
even these asshole bosses have sad stories to them
christ
How long ago did the lords link the fire?
Also how old is siegward if he was a friend of yorm is he a ghost?
What is the story behind ludleth and gundyr I heard those two are connected or something?
Also what is up with Karla I heard she was raped or something?
>>337896223
Except for Sulyvahn
Tragic DLC backstory when?
>>337896172
How exactly did Wolnir fall into the abyss? Why did he become a gigantic skeleman in the process? Why was he in a cup?
>>337896159
My theory was sound about them being outrider knights, problem is there is only 2 single phantoms and the pair, there are 5 known outrider knights in the game.
Vordt
Tower basement (before road of sacrifices)
Dancer
Lothric Castle
Grand Archives
>>337896281
oh yeah, fuck the pontiff, man
>>337896056
>Game has literally "LAY DOWN" gesture
>The drawing ignores it
I want to slap whoever drew this, or at least make him fix it.
>>337896307
i have done three characters so far and i still jump a bit when those two phantoms show up. damn i need to check the second to see if it resembles what vordt could look like
>>337896062
Heck if anything when you show up he's just defending himself. While "he din du nuffin" isn't exactly accurate pretty close when considering the effect he has on you if say you could just walk past the goblet and up the stairs.
>>337896102
Wait what phantoms?
Not a lore question, but if two allied players cast bountiful sunlight next to each other, does it stack into twice the regen?
Is this Havel the real one?
>>337896412
i'd leave him alone if i could just open that fucking door, seriously. reading all these things about the bracelets now, just remembering him being dragged away and him clawing the ground trying to stop makes me a bit sad for him. damn
>>337896457
Yes. But to actually see the benifit of it you'd both need to have like 80+ vit
Seems like a good place to ask. I've only played DeS and BB to completion. DaS didn't grab me at all. Should I take a chance on it? Will not knowing muh lore negatively effect my experience?
>>337896513
I actually think that the Rock Demon found on top of the Watchdogs tower is the real Havel.
>>337896572
Take a chance on DaS 3 I mean.
>>337896572
DaS3 is closer to DeS in terms of speed. Running speed isn't quite as high but rolling is. Enemies are generally as speedy as BB.
I'd say you'll enjoy this one.
>>337896572
BB and DeS are my favorite in the series/game type and I think DaS3 is pretty damn fun/good. Not perfect, but I think DLC could make it even better. Not at all a bad decision.
BB still tops it for me personally, but I enjoyed my time with this game.
>>337896572
You can play it without knowing anything I didn't beat ds1 either and I basically played both games without really knowing what the hell is going on, but I still enjoyed it.
>>337896572
There are some great lore explorations out there for the other games and while ds3 is still heavily debated in certain context you most certainly will get more out of it if you know the past lore.
Ghey4Gaming does a great fast yet still very detailed explination of DaS but I have yet to find a good one for 2
>>337896572
>>337896643
A friend of mine finished Dark Souls 3 without playing any of the others. He is convinced that the game has no story. Take that as you will.
As far as gameplay goes, Dark Souls 3 takes some elements from both DeS and BB, so if you actually liked those then I think there's a good chance you will enjoy this game as well.
>>337896545
bountiful sunlight only heals like 780 a minute, so you dont actually need absurd health
>>337896643
No, just pirate it and if you like it buy it
Does the world get covered by the Abyss in the second ending?
This franchise and The Witcher 3 are games I feel are going to be ridiculously revered in 10 years time. I honestly can't think of anything else that will be so appreciated. Maybe Skyrim, considering the insane attention it got from casuals on release.
>>337896457
>Not using Gentle Prayer
It only needs 1 FP for it to work and you get to save Estus, man.
>>337896935
No, the Abyss is Humanity gone wild and corrupt. The world becomes consumed by dark, both literally and figuratively, which is different than the Abyss.
>>337896995
Aww forgot to proofread.
>>337896936
>been playing three playthroughs so far to get all the endings
>feeling a bit burnt out
>will wait for dlc
>witcher 3 : blood and wine just around the corner
Yeah, despite all the shitposting, i've been pretty happy with BB,DaS3, and Witcher 3 as a gamer.
feels good, man
>>337896436
The two that are paired a bit before yorshka's church bottom
>>337897097
I'm also feeling burnt out but man, gankspanking keeps me hooked.
Winning 1v3s or 1v4s is so much fucking fun.
>>337896572
If you wanna know more about DaS but don't wanna have to get to ng+7 on it to see everything relevant watch this. I have found nothing better.
Darksouls is all about relationships and 95% of those are via covenants so this should cover it:
https://youtu.be/GD5zrh5ls5I
>>337897108
You mean where the 2 giants are?
>>337895830
He did enjoy eating people it literally said so in item descriptions. Eating gods was just a way to get more power to resist the abyss when it came
>>337896271
Yuria the witch from demon souls got raped. Karla just looks like her
>>337897554
What the fuck are you talking about? The only giant in irithyll/anor londo is dead. The phantoms by Dorhys' illusionary stairs
>>337893865
Was pretty fun and felt good to beat him, I didn't feel a "Yeah, fuck you, you god damn asshole" he was pretty balanced and fair and felt good to beat him.
>>337895160
> Caused the Dancer's armour to fuse to her skin
Not exactly, I remember reading that outriders became beasts naturally. So he definitley influenced her beast transformation, but the armour fusing happened naturally
>>337895185
Oh shit, I thought he was powering up to something else. I went and finished the job qucikly
>>337899518
monster.
>>337895667
Some people argument that by his lore,
He is probably be the main character from dark souls 2
>>337893865
>game has no story or lore
>it's up to /v/ to invent both in shit threads
Aaaaaaaayyyyy
>>337896412
>he's just defending himself
I'm pretty sure he's trying to get you into the abyss and take your place outside
>>337893865
He's unapologetically evil and a badass Pope dual wielding magic greatswords.
Also has a cool stage and fucks you up the first time to some nice orchestral beats.
>>337896162
Why does it make sense holy fuck
>>337895830
what's the age of the deep?
>>337893865
He has very strong connections to the dark as hinted at by the greatsword of judgement. I like the idea that he's connected to Manus and has accomplished toppling the rule of the old gods once and for all from the inside. He also bears some resemblance to Darklurker, has wings and can split in too.
>>337896287
Cup is presumably the object linking him to the abyss not unlike the broken pendant causing manus to notice us and pull us in in dark souls 1, as for why that's the case I have no idea. Maybe the abyss watchers sealed him and his abyssal corruption in there and then setup camp outside the catacombs to stop anyone from messing with it?
As for why he is huge, he could possibly be part of a race of larger then normal humanoids (some of the other skeletons in the crypt are far too large to be normal humans) or it could just simply be he has a huge soul form conquering many places so he's huge. The other people we've seen who have great and powerful souls have always been at least a little large if not huge (Vendrick, various kings in the DLCs, even Gwyn and company to some extent)
There are five outrider knights in the game including Vordt and the Dancer, but I can only find four phantoms in the Boreal Valley. Anyone found a fifth?
>>337894032
it's like I'm really in 2009
>>337903003
The fifth phantom only appears when you're online. It's other players
>get to Irithyll
>wow this place is pretty
>wow even the enemies are pretty
And then
>giant crocodile dogs with half their flesh missing
>skeleton spider women
>everything related to Aldrich
>fucking everything in the dungeon
>>337903449
I was kind of hoping for one that looks like Vordt considering his armour doesn't look like the other knights and his helmet was cut from the game.
>>337902176
>"Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge,"
They tell you in the very first part.
Wtf does being "based" even mean
>>337905454
you should try using a search engine to find an answer to that question
>>337895528
God, you think that's bad
>Play the game
>Try to piece the story together as you go
>Beat the game
>Try to put the puzzle together
>Turns out, I was completely and utterly wrong about roughly 85% of everything
>>337900161
He can't leave that place even if he was to "get a kill" he waste deep raw abyss shit. It has such a pull on him it tore his flesh from his bones.
>>337903672
>Aldrich fucked everything in the dungeon o.O
>>337902429
More or less the age of darkness x10. When the abyss finally consumes everything due to people taking too long to link the flame.
Relinking the flame keeps the abyss at bay but take too long to fail to do so = abyss goes om fucking nom nom nom everything.
>>337906883
The DS world seems like Drakengard-levels of Crapsack World.
>>337907186
That's why I'm placing my bet on the next souls following up on the age of darkness ending as we have linked the flame twice now and you can see what it got us the first time.....
This Crappy song where the chorus goes "and the circle starts again"
Who dis cunt?
>>337907703
Gundyr's corpse being manipulated by that black abyss thingy.
That's what I assume anyways, I'm not good at this.
>>337894539
It's the past, not the future. If you get there and speak to the shrine handmaiden before speaking to her in the regular firelink shrine, she'll recognise you in regular firelink and have new dialog
>>337907903
Why heir to the flame?
>>337908209
Was supposed to be a lord of cinder.
Failed before reaching the flame.
Fell to the abyss.
>>337894331
The knights aren't human so they are probably the same guys.
>Abyss Watchers
>Ludleth
>Aldrich
>Yhorm
>All of them were Lords of Cinders
>Survived to tell the tale after being burned for so long
Does this imply the Chosen Undead or the Cursed survived as well? I wonder where are they now.
>>337909746
In the lord of cinder.
>>337893865
So has anyone figured out whether Gods/Lords hollow or is it only a human treat?
>>337910153
*soul
>>337910164
yes they can they are just normal people who have a lot of ember/humanity. Except the giants.
>>337894625Try praying with it, watch what happens.
>>337910334
Ohh boy i cant wait for the shit storm
>>337910334
Giants with anus faces are hollowed in DS2. They literally have a HOLLOW TREE instead of a face.
>>337894625
>mfw I realise these are probably the knights after they turn fully into beasts and are praying to him to save them in their last moments
What's up with the pilgrims? What are they? Why are they fucking everywhere? Why are they evil (assassins, make you hollow, etc.?)
>>337910674
Kaathe pretty obviously has Londor in his grasp, just like Frampt has Lothric.
>>337895816
>implying you even fought him
His skull was turned into a chalice which made you see shit
>>337910875
But you get his soul after you beat him.
>>337910985
You get Ornstein's soul after beating him and he wasn't even there
>>337910782
Where does it say/imply Kaathe has Londor and Frampt has Lothric? I don't remember anything like that being ingame.
>>337910674
Hollows converging to the Kiln because the Dark Soul fragments are trying to put themselves back together
>>337911028
>Londor
>New Londo
>obsessed with a "lord of hollows" (dark lord)
Meanwhile there are literally primordial serpent statues in Lothric Castle in the grand archives and beyond.
>>337911097
but if they're hollows they wouldn't have any dark soul fragments
>>337910403
what happens
do you actually know
>>337911148
That's not how it works. In dark souls 1, you could be hollow and still have humanity. You actually needed to sacrifice some of it to flame in order to regain human form. Hollowing is a curse caused by the dark soul, not a lack of it
>>337911183
Nothing happens, anon.
Hell, the giant slaying sword works only on Yhorm, and do shit damage to other giants. The game ain't that deep, sadly.
>>337911412
people who have gone fully hollow no longer have any humanity
>>337911412
>he doesn't know
Hollow is the natural state of humanity.
>>337911434
ah.. shame.
was hoping praying with them would cure them.
i feel bad :(
>>337911508
Lies
>>337894931
The crocodogs are the end game of wearing both pontiff's rings.
>>337911508
That's wrong, when undead absorb a shard of the dark soul they return to a human form.
>>337909746
They were dead you sperg, did you even watch the opening cutscene?
>>337894919
When humans kindle the flame, the cycle is continued normally and light is re-introduced into the world. When a god kindles the flame, its like a nuke being set off. Remember gwyn? Yhorm is a similar story, and when he kindled the flame he bassically killed everyone in atleast the capital of his kingdom. When he finally awakens, and finds a true champion of embers standing across the room, he leaves storm ruler so he can die valiantly in battle. He never intends for you to lose his fight.
>>337894194
>>is also the pope
only because he elected himself
>>337908512
Wait...
Does that mean the wyvern was a hollow/undead/unkindled? Because that message pops up when you kill her.
>>337911672
what he's saying is without humanity (which wasn't originally theirs), that's truly what people really are.
Shambling hollows. That's what people were like before the first flame.
>>337911825
There were no people before the first flame. There were dragons and giants.
>>337911825
Then who had sex anon?
Who had sex?
>>337911882
This is what Gods Of Anor Londo wants you to believe
>>337911882
There was the pygmy, and people like Gwyn before they got their lord soul
>>337911825
The dreglings aren't humanity though, not until they get the dark soul.
There is a reason why the tear/bite rings, purging stones and the item itself has been harvested using humans
If being very powerful can make a human or god very large, why are giants a different thing from powerful humans?
Okay so i threw this out before but WHAT IF
>Gwyn gave power to two lords he saw fit to use it
>They became much more powerful
>In DS3 there's two females whos souls create gwynevere miracles
>Both of them were given power by gwynevere
Gwynevere is pulling some kind of string behind the scene.
>>337895667
Giant spooky skeleman.
>>337909746
soul of cinder is wearing elite knight armor but a charred version
He can also use any weapon and spell and is the last guy to link the flames
He's prob chosen undead
>>337894194
Also he grows two black crow wings, and has a shadow clone. Sulyvuhn is chuuni as fuck
>>337912105
>Being this dumb
Soul of Cinder is just a collection of minds from the people who linked the flame, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO the chosen undead and gwyn.
Anyone else wish the profaned capital was larger and more fleshed out? I think it was such a cool setting, but I was disappointed to see it was so small. I ran down to the end and walked along the large road at the bottom, but it just leads to a broken bridge and that's as far as you can go.
>>337912218
Everything about him is so cool, unironically
>You will never elect yourself as the Rape Pope
Why live
>>337912306
it's decently big if you count the dungeon being part of it
>>337912007
Because being large can be a result of being powerful, but you can also just happen to be a large guy.
>>337899450
I might be wrong but weren't Dancer and Vordt trapped in Lothrich when the wall "appeared?" And over a long time went insane with hunger for souls like everyone else?
How time travel will work in Dark Souls 3? How we will get to the DLC areas?
>>337911028
Yuria says "forgive me lord Kaathe" when killed. The Grand Archives have statues of the serpent with wings, presumably Frampt, since it doesn't make sense for Kaathe to be pushing for fire linking, or to be controlling 2 factions.
>>337912452
>Implying they dont all have the same end goal
>>337912287
Makes sense
>>337895830
The ring you get in cathedral says that he enjoyed eating people, not only that but sharing the experience with his most loyal followers.
>>337912417
I'm not sure both DLCs will be time travel, but if at least one of them are, I think it'll be somehow related to Ludleth.
>>337912352
Nah, dungeons are a separate area. I'm just talking about the capital
>>337912417
I don't see why we need time travel.
We have enough areas in the game where paths can be created to branch off into areas from past games that have changed dramatically over the course of time.
>>337912716
All DLCs in all souls games where about time travels, though
What is the Deep exactly?
>>337912061
well she did conveniently leave anor and lothric before shit got out of control
>>337912396
No. The rings are what cause pontiff knights, and outriders, to devolve. Dancer was originally an Irithyllian noble. Wearing the rings for an extended period turned her into dancer. Vordt was a knight, same as the other outriders. You can see they've become more bestial in their movements. The final stage is the crocodogs.
>>337906240
iktfb
>>337912772
>We have enough areas in the game where paths can be created to branch off into areas
too much work m8
>>337912530
They do, but they obviously prefer different methods in achieving whatever that goal is. The firekeeper ending might be the only one where you can give them the middlefinger.
>>337912773
And how does this makes it necessary to have 2 time travel DLCs?
>>337912812
The Deep isnt the Abyss.
Its just pre-abyss i guess? like if the abyss is cthulu in this chart, the deep would be just before it? Its fucked man the deep is brand new to me.
My best guess would be that its a pseudo abyss or a eldritch type madness level shit
>>337912883
Just how many fucking eyes does Sulyvahn have? Does he constantly regenerate than pluck them out and hand them to outriders? Nigga is fucking hardcore to the bone.
>>337912812
TBA. Presumably it'll feature heavily in the DLC.
>>337913013
They're not literally eyes you autist.
>>337912984
meant to add this but i dont know why i responded in the first place given i've got no clue.
>>337912105
It seems that the soul of cinder is the fusing of every soul that has ever linked the flame, but every time somebody links the flame, the flame itself becomes less powerful, so the features of their soul are not as pronounced. The firat part of the fight is against the chosen undead, the thing that kindled second most powerful flame in history. The second part is against gwyn, the most powerful kindling for the flame in history.Remeber that in dark souls two, the first flame is almost nonexistent, and in 3 you barely even light on fire after linking the flame.
>>337913101
No the first form is everybody. Everyone who ever linked the flame, and all of their fighting prowess conglomerated into one dude.
>>337912975
FS can't into something new, sure they will rehash again
>>337913313
But think about it. "Everyone" that linked the flame? That means every player that's linked the flame in dark souls. Take all the different builds from all the different players who beat the game, and lump all their characfters together. That's the soul of cinder.
>>337912382
A... Big guy?
>>337913679
Yes. This isn't news.
>>337908512
>Failed before reaching the flame.
It's even worse than that. When he rose form his grave to begin his journey for the very first time, the first flame had aklready gone out. He simply woke up too late.
>>337912984
I really hope they make a dark souls revolving around the "age of the deep sea" that aldeich foresaw. It sounds cool as fuck.
>>337913789
>World doomed because lazy asshole wont get out of bed
Is how i'll choose to interpret it
>>337913768
Then why did you correct him when he said it's the chosen undead? We're saying the same thing.
>>337907703
He woke up too late to link the flame so Ludleth had to do it for him out of some sense of duty for the Firekeeper of that age. Untended Graves is Ludleth's/Gundyr's Firelink.
>>337894246
Pontiff Sulyvhan has zero faith because he's the head of the religion.
All the other followers of the Deep have high faith but use it to cast miracles.
>>337894331
Irithyll is what's left of Anor Londo
>>337914103
It is, but it's the chosen undead, the bearer of the curse, and every other asshole that ever reached the flame in the however many millennia this dance has been going on.
WHAT EXPANSIONS WILL BE ABOUT
VERY LIKELY TIER
>Londor
>Serpents
>Ludleth
>The "Angels"
>NOT LIKELY BUT WOULD BE COOL TIER
>The Deep
>Dragons
>Carthus
>Aldia
>>337895185
Doesn't he eventually explode when this happens, though?
>>337914434
The explosion happens just prior to that phase.
>>337914295
Fuck, I just want an expansion that adds new areas and shortcuts between locations in the game so that the map can be played in a more nonlinear style like the original dark souls instead of needing to go through in basically the same order every playthrough.
>>337914434
This is what happens if you survive the explosion, he will sit there struggling to stand until you kill him
>>337900106
even if all fans theories are wrong, it's still more fun than threads explaining how shitting an explicitly told story is
>>337913793
That's Bloodborne
>>337914496
There's a bridge right over there connecting Undead Settlement and Farron Keep, why can't you go over it?
WHY CAN'T YOU GO OVER IT MIYAZAKI??? YOU HACK
>>337894331
>why the fuck is Anor Londo here?
Literally spelled out for you in the first cutscene
"Lothric the transitory lands of the lords of cinder" the entire game is a culmination of previous games locations pulled into one through the continual linking of the fire.
Why did Hawkwood want to be a dragon after getting kicked out of the arterial fan club?
>>337914686
Because it's broken, you idiot.
>>337914686
I didn't really mind that because I could see the connection and it was nice to feel out where everything was.
>>337914725
*Artorias
>>337914725
Might as well, he has nothing better to do.
>>337914496
What were some of the ways you could kill the bossesput of order? Like what shortcuts were there? I only played through once and found a few different shortcuts and accidentally killed the butterfly begore belfry gargoyles and left sif for late as fuck in the game.
>>337914725
Because dragons are pretty badass. You don't want to be a dragon? Real talk though he probably got really scared seeing what happened to the Abyss Watchers and wanted to become dragon so he could escape the cycle.
>>337914725
Because he's afraid of dying and realized the only alternative to hollowing in the Dark Souls universe is linking the fire and burning forever in agony. So he tried going off track to look for an alternative and found the everlasting dragons
>>337914725
He's a furry. He thought the Watchers was a Sif fan club and went away after it turned to be about Artorias.
>>337914725
>I want to be a wolf
>failed
>I want to be a dragon
>despite having had beaten oceiros in his world and made it all the way to the dragons
He obviously lacked confidence even though he had the skill
I just finished the game for the first time. Is untended graves in the past? If it is, what was Ludleth doing in all that darkness, since he was not at the shrine? Is it explained somewhere or maybe DLC?
>>337913706
For you.
>>337914789
You're missing the point retard.
>>337914794
But wouldn't it have been cooler to be able to somehow unlock a shortcut back? It'd take no effort at all really.
>>337915081
A wyvern flew into it and smashed the fuck out of it.
>>337915017
Untended graves is in the present, but Firelink is in the future. That's how I see it.
>>337915017
Who do you think linked the fire again? I mean you woke up and there was a new fire, someone had to link it.
>>337915017
Firelink you go to is a lie
Dark Souls 3 is the eva rebuild of Dark Souls 1. It changes things and events from Dark Souls 1 like Ornstein being an illusion or Gwyndolin still being alive and continues from there.
>>337915214
Untended Graves was Ludleth's firelink.
Lothric Castle was build above it because.
>>337915395
>Gwyndolin still being alive
Gwyndolin was an optional boss so him dying wasn't canon anyways.
>>337915395
Eva Rebuild is a sequel tho
>>337915017
I personally think untended graves is the real firelink (previous flame was not kindled by its would-be champion, gundyr), and ludleth created a fake one, elsewhere, to convince people they should rekindle the flame (the flame seems to never be permanently unkindled because it reignites itself after every age of dark, the firelink firekeeper literally says so, but it gets weaker each time and eventually it will be unable to reignite itself, hence the everlasting age of deep). If you find the eyes in untended graves and take them to ludleth, he hints as much.
>>337896080
that's pretty much how I saw it. A lot points to Vordt and the Dancer having some kind of relationship that Sully disapproved of. They're both seen walking away from Irithyll together, and item descriptions state that they are never far from one another.
>>337915618
Makes more sense than
>the flow of time is convoluted
which they seem to have abandoned since das was over
>>337915395
We knew Anor Londo's Ornstein wasn't the real once since Dark Souls 2. They just changed what became of him
>>337897057
But Humanity is just fragments of the Dark Soul, and the daughters/fragments of Manus in DaS2 are described as being born of the dark. I'm pretty sure the dark and the abyss are the same thing. Plus, the firekeepers are robbed of light and become better hosts to humanity.
I just got into das3 and am wondering: What's the difference between being "unkindled" and just being a hollow like in das1/2
>>337916052
Unkindled are people brought back from the dead to link the flame. Hollowing is a curse of the undead
>>337916052
There isn't one. Yoel proves as muchby making you go hollow. It's just that now the flame is weak it needs a REALLY REALLY strong soul to kindle it and people don't think humanity can do that any more.
>>337914892
The only real shortcut is killing the dancer early on. And even then, you can only get up to Dragonslayer Armor anyway.
It makes replays much more repetitive than in DaS1.
>>337916052
The unkindledare essentially double undead. They were revived for the soul purpose of returning the Lord's of cinder to their thrones. Cannonically they are actually very weak and frail.
>>337916208
Yoel gives you the curse
>>337916318
So how can they be lords of cinder if they haven't lit the flameand become part of the soul of cinder? Why did they even abandon their thrones (which represents gathering their souls to light the flame together), and why is ludleth just a nomal, horribly burnt, human but still not apparently lit the flame?
>start game in firelink
>warp to next area, high wall of lothric
>complete high wall of lothric
>warp to undead settlement
>entire game is linear to boot
Was it just laziness? Why didn't they just make physical pathways you could walk to get to high wall and undead settlement?
>>337916052
You're burned trash who was dead but got revived in order to return the lord of cinders to their thrones. Also, you do not go hollow, unless you accept the dark sigils and the curse.
>>337916469
>>warp to undead settlement
Gargoyles fly you there. It's like that to remind you the high wall is the wall outside anor londo.
>>337915618
That'd be a way to explain why you have to teleport out of firelink shrine to Lothric.
>>337911028
Lothric was a land of angel worship, the winged knights are meant to replicate angels and there's a miracle found near the end of the game that talks about some woman being visited by angels. One of the only depictions of angels in the actual game is statues near the Dragonslayer Armour bonfire which show primordial serpents with wings.
If you kill Yuria, she calls out to Kaathe. Londor's probably New Londo as well. Also, they probably wanted to avoid any direct connections to DaS2 lore, but the pilgrims are literally Pilgrims of Dark.
>>337915015
He gets his confidence in the final part though, he even ditches his shield for Farron's showing he got more skill.
>>337916536
It's still a warp and they should've had some pathway that goes down to the settlement instead of a lazy cutscene.
And putting all these warps between areas at the beginning of the game makes the entire thing feel extremely disjointed. It's not until road of sacrifices that you even find out that you can walk from one location to another.
>>337916469
>Was it just laziness?
Lack of time more likely. We know how much FromSoft likes dat interconnectivity.
>>337896056
GRAND DAD
>>337916779
>it's not until the third area
>>337917082
4th area. And yes, it's odd that the entire beginning of the game is warps only and disjointed.
>>337894347
>his most loyal of servants and warriors
Outrider knights never were loyal, they become fucking outrider knights because no one(mostly Sulyvahn) wanted them in the first place inside the kingdom
>>337912773
AotA was, but why do the Crown dlc's have to be? You're just travelling to distant ruined lands.
>>337916779
When you can literally see where you're "warping" to I don't think it's even remotely an issue whatsoever, especially with it being so close. I think you're nitpicking to the hardest degree. The only one that's fair is firelink to high wall, and considering that's first to second area that's obviously trying to tell you something major about the first area, e.g. >>337915618
>>337917225
>a hub warp into a reverse Anor Londo
It's not bad at all.
Has anyone tested using both of Sully's swords? I know you can fuse Lorian and Lothric's swords, but do you get a special moveset or some shit by wielding both of sully's swords?
>>337903276
>2009
Oh, 2007 is 2009 now?
>>337917462
>I know you can fuse Lorian and Lothric's swords.
You can get a special move set if you 2 hand certain swords?
>>337917741
Autist.
>>337917853
No, you can literally fuse them and get good a sword
>>337917853
If you own both their swords you can talk to ludleth and he will make one sword out of them, with a very special moveset.
How the fuck does he summon a stand
>>337918442
Because he is THAT awesome
>>337918442
Miyazaki has been reading too much Jojo.
>>337918442
>>337918574
>>337918605
What the fuck is a stand?
Hey Aldrich, I got a nice trap boy in my basement, want to come check him out?
>>337916052
I took the unkindled to be would-be linkers of the flame brought back to life to attempt it again. Would explain why Hawkwood is unkindled, since he left the Abysswatchers before they linked the flame, and Siegward could have also been a contender to link the flame during Yhorm's age.
>>337894032
Oldfag pls
>>337914686
>that literal neckbeard
>>337918758
What was aldrich before blob? A human? A Pus of Man style undead? A giant?
I'm also a little pissed off with aldrich at all. I thought it was, when I first saw it, Gwyndolin had eaten nito and priscilla. Like, in dark souls 1 gwyndolin made this massive illusion over anor londo to make you think it was worth kindling the flame, inclujding fake gwynevere, but I thought there was more to it and he had a master plan to be the real villain over the course of the dark souls series. Turns out lolnope.
>>337918662Caesar dies
>>337917229
>that look of puzzlement at the end
kek, you find a new one of these comics every day
DaS lore question for you faggots, why gravelord servants send red skeletons to the other orlds and lure phantoms to their?
>>337917957
>>337917925
I never stop being suprised playing this game.
>>337918958
A proper cleric.
>>337919105
Because Papa Nito says to.
>>337919298
Did somebody say cleric?
>>337919056
Stands is from an anime that is called jojo's bizzare adventure.
The characters in that anime fight eachother by manifesting a ghost like being with superpowers that they controll with their mind.
It is pretty popular /co/ has a a jojo general eventhough it is an anime which is kinda strange in my opinion.
>>337919682
Was patches abused as a child or something?
>>337894539
It's not the future, firelink is the past. The whole world of dark souls 3 has gone dark and what you see is only a fleeting illusion brought about by the awakened Lords of cinder. That's why after you've killed all the Lord's you can see the dark pouring out of the sky. Some areas like the catacombs and present day firelink(untended graves) aren't affected.
>>337920124
Good to know, thanks.
Did the high wall really just appear,or did everything else sunk around it?The profaned capital obviously sank as is stated on one of the keys,as well as the gargoyles having to carry you down rather than up to the land of the lords.
Did she really have intentions to give authority to AO?
>>337920432
She's Kaathe's voice, so, yes. If he says she should do it, she absolutely does. It's whether Kaathe has the intentions that nobody knows.
>karla
>found in irithyll dungeon
>one of her spells "Dark Edge is described as "Passed from mother to daughter"
>karla's ashes describe her as "The spurned child of the Abyss never dies, but phases in and out of its fringes."
>karla also can teach you abyssal fire magic, which makes her unique amongst dark souls 3' npc's
>karla who is found in irithyll dungeon, surrounded by the jailer aristocrats
>the jailer aristocrats who are the last remnants of profane capital
>why would they be so fiercely guardian (8 of them) one npc?
>why would the remnants of the profane capital have motivation to keep karla jailed?
>profane capital
>thousands of burnt scattered bodies in the throne room and surrounding
>implies something to do with fire
>profane capital known for the profane flame
>andre describes the profane coal as having remnants of the abyss in it
>abyss - profane flame
>abyss - flame
>abyssal flames
>karla, the spurned child of the abyss
>alva, seeker of the spurned who we find at irithyll dungeon
>why would he be looking for karla?
>alva, known for his relationship with the black witch zullie
>zullie who knew black magic
>dark edge implies it was handed down from mother to daughter
>high chance that karla is zullie and possibly alva's daughter
>profane flame
>pontiff sulayvahn found the profane flame after yhorm's collapse trying to put it to rest after he became lord of cinder
>pontiff sulayvahn who grows tree wings in the fight
>pontiff sulayvahn - tree wings - profane flame - abyss
>abyss - kaathe - londor - londor pilgrims
>londor pilgrims notably have the stones preventing the growths on their back
>londor pilgrims are at lothric high wall
>tree hollows with branches spouting out like wings are at high wall as well
>after the three cinders of lords are retrieved, "pilgrim" butterflies appear, who look like hollows who have spouted large eldritch wings
>notably their attack in the dragonslayer armour fight involves a flame that looks deep and almost dark
cont.
>>337920350
No problem mate always glad to help a fellow out.
>Best girl kept her royalty.
>>337920614
>yhorm the giant
>descended from a lineage of ancient conquerors
>his capital seems to be somewhat involved with dark souls 2 characters, notably laddersmith gilligan, alva and potentially zullie
>he himself bears resembllance to the dark souls 2 giants, if lacking of the "face"
>a message in his room describes "Only a storm can fell a greatwood."
>notably the giants in dark souls 2 appear to grow into trees eventually
>but why?
>of the other tree like growths, pontiff sulayvahn, and the londor pilgrims, we can see that it might be related to hollowing, londor itself being related to the abyss and a land of hollows, pontiff sulayvahn being implied to have hollowed by way of taking more damage with weapons that do more against hollowing
>dark souls 2 giants, approaching hollowing may "lose their face" in a way, and eventually sprout roots, in this sense they would literally be hollowing
>yhorm in his state is newly risen, awoken by the bell which awoke you, aldrich, abyss watchers, siegward, anri and hawkwood
>siegward is implied to have awoken with you, knowing that this signals the time to fulfil his promise
>his promise?
>to kill yhorm should he be corrupted by the abyss or fall to the profane capital again
>yhorms red eyes and general maddened state, his lack of familiarity with siegward all give this credence
>yhorm is in effect a descendant of dark souls 2's giants
>pontiff sulayvahn discovered the remnants of profane capital, found out the association with giants to the profane flame, and contacted drangleic's remnants, which is why their are two drang warriors in the courtyard, and why you find the llewelyn gear in cathedral of the deep, a place where aldrich's influences, and by large pontiff sulayvahn's connections are tied
>the paintings of nashandra and the kiln are relics from drangleic to display this
>it's possible that dark souls 2 and dark souls 3 take place in a nearer time period.
Do you think we will get to see Yuria's sisters in the DLCs?
>>337895160
I don't think sully knows about yorshka, Gwyndolin tried to hide her from him and Aldrich
>>337913313
It's clear as day that by "everybody" it means all the potential playstyles the player could have had in DaS1. Soul of Cinder used Straightsword, Greatsword, Scimitar, Lance, Pyromancies, Miracles, and Sorceries in the firdt phase. This clearly represents all the possible builds Chosen Undead could have had.
>>337893865
I dunno, a guy that can get riposted 3 seconds into the boss fight isn't that based imo
>>337911017
If anything, even though lore says you killed Ornstein first, Gywndolian probably fashioned a fake soul. I mean you get halberds from the sentinels.
>>337894331
The only real silver knights are the ones in Irythill with the paintings on the wall, the ones in Anor Londo are probably reanimated aldrich-fuckbuddys because they respawn and bleed black goo
>>337921592
Or his soul just gets passed down, and every ornstein in the games is a fake.
>>337915618
Since the First Flame was discovered the cycle has been Fire Dark Fire Dark. There is no "Deep". This is what I hate most about DaS3 story wise, the previpus games were dealing with two parts of a cycle and now suddenly Miyazaki throws in this "Deep" bullshit. It seems like Miyazaki just really wanted to make Aldrich a super important character for no reason.
>>337921756
Fire Dark Fire Dark, but every fire is weaker than the last, proven by the pus of man abominations of humanity getting wilder and wilder. When it eventually gets so weak it can't reignite itself to create another age of fire (the firekeeper literally says when you put the first flame out that eventually it will reignite itself from nothing), we get the end of flame, the age of deep. That's the real endgame, where there is no fire at all, ever.
>>337921213
Yorshka said herself that it was Sully who put her there
>>337920432
>"And I of course, am also thine."
I fucking love the way she says this.
>>337921756
>Since the First Flame was discovered the cycle has been Fire Dark Fire Dark
Dark endings never happened because there always someone to link the flame
So it's always was cycle of linking flame not fire->dark
Kaathe canonically never won
>>337920712
I'm still mad that Yhorm wasn't a DS2 Giant.
>>337893865
What the hell is wrong with his face? Seriously I have spent so much time look at it and I still cant figure out what it is. Is it a veil or just deformed? Is it a helmet or that black goo thing? And why does he grow wings like those flying creatures in Lothric Castle?
>>337921946
The end of Flame is Dark. What the fuck are you even on about. The First Flame goes out and the Age of Dark happens, the First Flame ignites again bringing another Age of Fire. This is the cycle. There is no "Deep".
Did you even consider the Abyss?
>>337922459
Yes. The first flame is getting weaker with every fire cycle, and the abyss is getting stronger. Are you fucking retarded?
>>337922203
DS2 giants were shit, though.
>>337922678
The Giant Memories were the best part of the base game you fag.
So what is the story behind Oceiros?
He was calling to someone (I forgot the name) and seemed very sad during that whole fight. What was he about?
>>337922817
He was originally suppose to be holding a baby in his hand and at half health he smashes it on the ground.
Most of this was cut
>>337922817
His wife left him and took her amazing chest with her, and his kids are shitters.
>>337922894
This is conjecture
>>337922537
No, REKINDLING is getting weaker. The First Flame goes out and the Age of Dark happens. This is the most basic shot in Dark Souls. This os why I fucking hate everything related to Aldrich, je is a seemingly important character for no fucking reason.
>>337922817
Something about his baby dragon son or something.
Lothric is oceiros and Gwyneveres son right?
>>337922753
>Timed areas with shit enemies with broken hitboxes.
>best area.
>>337922817
Ocelotte, one of his sons I think. Maybe a crossbreed like Priscilla who went into hiding, but I don't know shit.
>>337922976
Only speculation. We don't actually know who the queen of Lothic was.
>>337922817
He's the king of Lothric.
One day he walks into the grand archives, and the sages there tell him all about the bitch-boy Seathe.
He then decides "I wanna be a dragon."
And then he became a dragon.
He also lost his mind,did something to prince Lothric to make him 'cursed,' and then hs wife left him and possibly took their last son Ocelotte with her.
Ocelotte is the baby noises you hear in the fight, but most likely, the noise is all just bullshit or inside Ocerios' head because he's gone batshit.
>>337907426
There will not be a next souls game. It's over. Maybe a DLC.
>>337897097
>>been playing three playthroughs so far to get all the endings
I have like 4-5 characters in front of the last boss but can't bring myself to finish the game..I don't want it to end
>>337912417
Ravens.
>>337922817
Is he actually holding his invisible baby? You can hear a baby's cry during the fight.
>>337922174
So let's go off that.
Dark Souls 1 was all about prolonging the Age of Fire by Linking the First Flame to drive away the Abyss. A possible ending was to NOT Link the First Flame and usher in the Age of Dark, the Age of Humans. This was the central theme of Dark Souls, Link the First Flame or let it die to bring in the Age of Dark. The Age of Dark is what Gwyn feared, which is why he gave his Lordsoul to Link the First Flame.
After what may be centuries of Rekindling, the process of Rekindling is getting weaker. Each Rekindling of the First Flame is less and less powerful, the First Flame is fading. When the First Flame fades the Age of Dark will happen, a Dark Lord will rise. You could even say the Lord of Hollows is the Dark Lord ending of Dark Souls 3. The Firekeeper even says in the Darkness she sees (which is a different Darkness than having no eyes, the Age of Dark) tiny flames dancing on the edge, she literally tells you the First Flame can reignite itself.
Please tell me where this useless pile of shit Aldrich and his "Age of Deep" fit into all of this. There is no Age of Deep, Miyazaki just threw in some half-assed ideas to make Aldrich some super special NPC, he was so super special that only he could see the Age of Deep.
There is no Deep, there is only the First Flame and the Age of Dark. And possibly the Abyss as well.
>>337923339
You can just not do ng+ and stay in that playthrough forever.
>>337922203
I think he was, at least in some way, or perhaps a hybrid.
I went over in my post about how I thought it's possible that the giants themselves in dark souls 2 are effectively "hollowed", this itself has some weight to it, as the item Vendrick stole from the giants is implied to be the thone of want, or in some ways the kiln, as they lack this item, and rekindle the flame, they eventually hollow, their faces sinking inwards to represent this before they root and become trees, which would explain the similarity between the hollowed pilgrims of the hollowed kindgom, londor eventually becoming growing what look like "branches" and transforming into pilgrim butterflies.
Pontiff Sulayvahn himself, who discovered yhorm's ruined profane capital beneath irithyll's ice, and by extension, the profane flame, grows similar structure in his fight, he is also implied to be in a state of hollowing by taking more damage from weapons that are effective against hollows.
Yhorm's room has a message "Only a storm can fell a greatwood.", and you then have to wonder why they would directly compare yhorm to a tree like structure.
>>337923485
Isn't the deep another name for the abyss?
>>337922964
There's sound effects for it and he's has his hands in a holding position until he slams them on the ground at half health
>>337896336
The only thing they'd have to fix is your eyes, they are in the pit of hollows, which means "grandad" just got a tree dropped on his ass, that's why he is in the "crushed to death" pose instead of the lay down emote.
>>337923701
The Deep is just Aldrich's interpretation of the Abyss. That's it.
>>337923239
Prince Lothric was born cursed
>>337923867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE
>>337923368
Priscilla was a half-dragon abomination and she could go invisible.
>>337923867
Yes, but it's nonsense to think that they just decided to keep them that way after removing the baby
You can still hear the baby in the fight so it's likely he was always invisible
>>337894919
>What's the deal with the Profane Fire anyways?
It's evil fire from outer space.
>>337923701
Maybe?
Lore threads tend to be in belief that it's something different, but everything I can think of points towards deep being abyss with different name.
>>337924106
Holy shit, I forgot about that.
>>337912812
The dark, but slightly different. It's the dark after people started screwing around with it and experimented with causing some terrifying things.
The abyss is the reflection of the nature of mankind. Most of the abyssal magic is based on emotion and really isn't evil in nature, but is a reaction to being attacked. It's more akin to a dog that was beaten for most of it's life, it'll fuck you up because it was nurtured into being an asshole, but still there is some good.
Why are the snakes so gross?
Serious question.
>>337924530
Isn't it called something like "age of the deep sea"?
Could it have something to do with the whole world being engulfed by water?
I might be taking it too literally, I don't really see how eating gods could help you in that situation.
>>337923701
>>337924017
The deep is literally aldrich's master plan
>aldrich covenant
>aldrich was a high ranking saint, presumably of the same religion of gwynevere, due to rosaria's implied relationship with gwynevere and the archdeacons involvement with rosaria's fingers as a point of worship
>at some point, on his human eating exploits, aldrich sat down, started to have a nice long think, and had a dream about a great sea
>eating more humans he eventually softened and turned into the sludge you know and love now, eventually linking the flame for whatever reason
>the religion of the deep was set up around him and he was laid to rest in his grave
>as ludleth commands the firekeeper to ring the bell of awakening, the lords of cinder reemerge and aldrich enacts his master plan
>aldrich now believes that to act as a catalyst, devouring the gods will allow him to achieve the world of deep sea even faster
>using the religion of the deep and pontiff sulayvahn's connections he runs off to irithyll, where sullyvahn is scared as fuck, and remembers that he locked the sickly gwyndolin away in the cathedral, knowing aldrich wants gods and lots of them, he directs aldrich to gwyndolin
>the deep sea
>water
>the main ranking up item is human dregs, described as the "heaviest thing in the human body", (Water), and will sink to the lowest depths imaginable, you give these to one of the archdeacons to rank up, and the archdeacons are a pretty big deal, but whats more noticeable is that the area you give them to him is literally called the "Water reserve", a place where he would coalesce human dregs
>human dregs themselves are awarded for killing trespassers, and look literally like water
>aldrich's plan was literally to turn every human into a sea
>>337924674
You mean the nice benefactors of humanity, Kaathe and co.? Don't say such silly things human
>>337903672
>giant crododile dog hasnt guarded the entrance of irithyll
get out
Do you think we will ever see him again?;_;
>>337924927
The archdeacon is dead though
>>337925034
>I fail to see your design, young moth.
>But, I see very little, these days.
What did he mean by this?
>>337924976
>That cranky chewing noise
>>337912984
The deeps beyond the abyss not before it what are you on nigger? Abyss is surface level shit deep is the fucking deep.
>>337925034
I don't think so. Also, is there anything related to Aldia in DS3?
>>337925343
it's too deep for mere plebs
miyazaki knew this
>>337896056
I've failed Sirris' quest both playthroughs, I fucking hate that bitch.
>>337922970
Aldrich isn't really important for no reason, he's basically the latest monster the abyss splurged up and this time he has a sane and powerful ally helping him and praising him.
>>337924856
I think the deep sea means the darkness that will engulf everything. So I think he's devouring gods to survive that. But then again, I don't know shit.
>>337925034
>tfw in one of the DLC's you return to a ruined Drangleic/Aldia's Keep
I know they wont do this though, since everyone hates DS2...
What are the crow dudes all about, corvians I think their name are.
>>337925429
Its implied:
Soul stream description in dark souls 3:
>The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince.
Soul Geyser description in dark souls 2:
"This blasphemous spell is a family heirloom of Lord Aldia's. It was designed to pummel foes until its power is entirely exhausted.""
These spells have the same name in the japanese translation
"Soul Stream and Soul Geyser are the same spell in Japanese - ソウルの奔流"
Why would they doubt the flame?
Maybe aldia gave them the inside info.
I thought Aldrich's "Age of the Deep Sea" was to the Age of Dark what Dark Souls 3 is to the Age of Fire.
Like in Dark Souls 3 the Age of Fire has been extended to the point everything is fucked up and going to shit, the sun is literally melting away, people are turning into trees, the black things, etc.
The Age of the Deep Sea would be what would happen after an Age of Dark had gone on for a fuckload of time, when all the crazier abyss shit seeped through completely and the vast amounts of dead dudes coalesced through their dregs to form an expanding ocean.
Pic related, because Arch Trees never die. The ocean would eventually swallow everything but the the trees, wiping out humanity, and leaving only dragons. Returning the world to how it was before the Age of Flame ever began.
>>337925643
>I know they wont do this though, since everyone hates DS2...
I actually want to see what the fuck happened to Aldia.
>>337915017
A lot of people thin that it's from the past. Ludleth's cycle to be specific. Gundyr failed and Ludleth linked the fire out of duty and because of his fire keeper, whom he cared for.
Champion Gundyr is starting to get corrupted . The black shit growing out of Iudex Gundyr is Pus of Man, which might be the abyss or deep.
Did the Lords of Cinder actually link the fire?
>>337926218
all besides lothric.
>>337926218
Not all. Lothric did not. He wanted to see the flame fade.
>>337895160
Bullshit speculation, Aldrich predates Sully, he's just the most recent head of the church, while Aldritch is the founder.
>>337926308
Why do they consider him a Holy King?
Also, the one that we fight: was he just a young prince that inherited all that land? He doesn't seem like the kind to build an elaborate castle like that.
The game should have been
>have a non linear choice to take down Prince Lothric, Abyss Walkers and Yhorm (put the profaned capital somewhere else, christ)
>after that, one path lies ahead, the corrupted blob Aldritch in Anor Londo and the mastermind Sulyvahn
>Aldritch isnt Gwyndolin 2.0 and has better boss design
explain to me the lore behind 4 kings
>tfw finished DS3
>Thought it was a great game but not completely sure what is going on
>Urge to start playing DS1 that I never finished
>Game runs like ass and needs a fix, and I'm not sure it fixes everything
>DS2 has full retard hitboxes that made me drop the game after a few hours and the 60fps bug that breaks my weapons
Should I give them another try? Does DSfix make the game run at 60fps?
>>337926526
4 kings dig downwards until they find abyss
they think it's tight shit
they become 4 kings
>>337926526
They were the kings of New Londo before the abyss claimed it and Artorias and Co. flodded it
>>337926526
Humanity addicted fags who needed to be flodded.
>>337926545
Scholar fixes the fps bug for 2, and raising your agility to 99+ will fix the retarded hitboxes. You should only need like 20 something adaptability to hit that mark.
>>337926308
I'm curious, I know characters mentioning King Lothric refusing his duty, but are Prince Lothric and King Lothric the same? Why is he a prince when you meet him but described as a king by others?
>>337926652
>>337926669
>>337926747
i knew it
theyre boring
After seeing a cold, desolate, snowy Anor Londo, the returning characters and the final boss. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Gwyn coming back alive to talk to me before I killed myself in a 2 hour long exposition cutscene
>>337926308
They probably chucked Lothric and Lorian into the Flame against their will when they refused. Kinda like Aldrich.
>>337926652
The four double kings?
>>337926907
Okay so that takes care of DS2, even though I have to buy Scholar.
What about DS1? Does it have any glaring issues?
Also how long are these games? About the same 20-30 hours as DS3?
So what actually was the deal with Aldia, did he just want to end the cycle?
Also what 'lie' is he talking about?
>>337926495
The profane capital needed to be relatively near to irithyll because in the games various lore pieces, pontiff is explicitly told as having discoevered the capital under iritiyhll's ice, and there is far too much importance on the profane flame and the abyss involvement for this to have been sacrificed.
What they should have instead done, is making irithyll dungeon longer on a horizontal and vertical measure, and profane capital larger.
Instead of fighting yhorm as soon as you enter profane capital's large entrance, it should be a lead into a giant underground temple, which feels like it's made for giants and the humans yhorm ruled over.
They should have put a boss in the room you fight yhorm, and kept yhorm's room further inwards.
Unfortunately, development schedules for these games are limited, and for me, it seems like the same issue that prevented bloodborne from having an actual underground labyrinthe with eldritch shit in it, rather than just shitty chalices.
>>337923485
The Deep is people screwing around with the Dark and basically how they have confused the Dark and the Abyss, it's a mixture of both.
Aldrich and Sullyvan basically want to start the Dark Party that's it. Age of Deep is just Age of Man with their views on what is the Dark first.
>>337927204
Dsfix should resolve your problems with 1. Just make sure you read the readme and edit the configuration file appropriately as it's not set to do 60 fps at 1080 out of the box. Disable the in game AA as well to avoid crashes.
If you own the steam version you can upgrade to scholar for less than buying it outright. Not sure about xbox or playstation.
I'd expect 30-50 hours for each depending on how much time you spend doing pvp/coop/exploring.
>>337927517
Not him, but I tried booting up DS1 for the first time in a while, and it ran like complete ass even with DSfix. It was pretty much unplayable, which is weird because I haven't messed with any settings since the last time I played it. I can't get decent frames on even the lowest settings.
>>337927760
You need to tweak the configuration file it comes with AND disable AA in game or it runs like shit. Also make sure you're using the steam beta version of the game as well.
Has anyone tried killing Wolnir without breaking the bracelets? He takes far less damage if you aim for everywhere else, but I'm curious.
You'd also be surprised that 90% of people have never seen him bring out his sword either
>>337927879
Nothing different happens except he doesn't get dragged away.
>>337927635
>>337925809
Somehow related to painted world. At least according to the description of Storyteller's Staff. Maybe a new breed of the ass crows? Fuck if I know, man.
>>337926907
Agility 99 does nothing for hitboxes and you still need to dodge to avoid attacks that should not hit in the first place.
>Carim
>Astora
>Vinheim
>Thorolound
>Fivefinger Delta
>Zena
>The East
>Londor
>Courland
These are all the mentioned kingdoms still present in DaS3. I'd like to hear all your headcanons and speculations on what these locations are like, use your imagination.
Which ones would be the most interesting to visit? Most interesting NPCs? Would From let us visit any of these in the upcoming DLCs?
>>337927997
Yes it does. There's a dozen videos on YouTube that demonstrate exactly that. High agility tightens the player hitboxes substantially.
>>337927997
>>337928135
Wouldn't this get him banned since he would have to use a trainer to get max stats?
>>337924106
oh fuck thats right. What happens to the baby after we kill the Consumed King?
>>337928304
The audio is self-explanatory...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE
>>337928268
Agility is a sub-stat retard. It's tied to ADP and ATN and levels with them.
>>337928304
it becomes babymash at 60% hp
>>337928268
agility is not a stat it's derived from stats and you can get 99 easily.
>>337928117
>Carim
Land of cucks
>Astora
Generic fantasy human kingdom
>Vinheim
Literally Hogwarts
>Thorolound
Vatican
>Fivefinger Delta
Can`t remember where it was mentioned
>Zena
Jew paradise
>The East
Generic old Japan
>Londor
Shithole
>Courlandpls be in DLC
>>337928583
Fivefinger Delta is a farmer kingdom. It's probably like Vietnam.
Now I'm just imagining an Astora War against Fivefinger Delta, in which Astora lost and make constant plays about it and are very anti war. Elite Knight Warriors ride griffons that blast Ride of the Valkyries while pyro nuking poor farmer villages.
>>337928583
>not wanting an Astora dlc
>fighting hollowed out elite knights
>exploring a sunbro temple
>finding Anri, Oscar and Andre's birthplaces
>fighting the Evil Eye as the final boss
>>337925848
>Why would they doubt the flame?
Outside of the grand archives you can see a statue of a dude who's head is just a snake like Frampt or Kaathe. If I had to guess Kaathe probably took that form, wormed into the archives and was feeding doubts about the flame.
>>337928884
>and more solaire circlejerking
>>337928117
>Carim
Yharnam like city, everyone is a bunch of secretive scheming cunts, there's a bit a religious vibe to it as well
>astora
ruined, as implied by item descriptions, I imagine it's a pretty generic castle looking area
>vinheim
magic shit
>thorolound
religious, maybe corrupt
>fivefinger delta
undead settlement like with large fields
>zena
eccentric, full of historians, probably full of scholars
>the east
a large tribal land
>londor
dark, caverns, the abyss, very deep, lots of hollows
>courland
Very high fantasy like, with a lot of magic, scholars, rulers, all judging by ludleth's nobility in his accent
>>337928884
Item descriptions state Anri doesn't actually hail from Astora but adopted the homeland due to the legends tied to it. All signs point to Astora being long dead at this point as well.
What's the difference between dark and abyss though? Can someone give it to me in layman's terms? Cuz as far as I can see there's not really a difference. Is it like the abyss is the physical darkness and the dark is just the absence of light?
>>337928884
>sword of one most noble
>it's you
>it's a time travel DLC where you go back to when astora just started to fall
>you team up with every astora NPC to defeat it
>final scene is you all toasting then you getting pulled back to the future to an abandon astora
>>337924927
> to turn every human into a sea
cough cough
>>337896791
It really dosn't seem like it dose.
It has tons-o-lore, backstory, and seing the ends of characters. The NOW story of the player characters is kinda unimportant.
The first game had your character do a thing which did nothing, second game had you sit in a chair, 3rd game has you finding ash and putting it on thrones.
This, it seems to me, is more about lore hunting than in the now story.
Maybe in the fourth game an explosion of souls will happen and bring back a lot of characters and bosses.
Because a lot of people are dead in the 3rd game....like all of them.
>>337929247
humans are humans
dark are monkeys
abyss are niggers
>>337929247
Dark is dark, no flame. As it was in the Age of Ancients.
Abyss is a corruption of dark. Uncontrollable. Probably influenced by the pressence of flame.
So is anyone actually alive in the Dark Souls world?
Is there anyone left at all, or is everyone either undead or a monster, with the player character and his companions being the only people alive?
>>337928402
I dont remember hearing those gorey sounds. Is it subtle in game? I play with the music turned up to 9 with voice and sfx at 7, but I could still hear the baby cries.
>>337928893
I actually believe that snek is Frampt.
Kaathe is probably in Londor scheming there.
Remember that Lothric was all about linking the fire, the prince was bred with some magical means even to be super good Lord of Cinder.
>>337929546
Gwyndolin (Formerly)
>>337928117
>forgetting Catarina
Seems to be doing fine, I just hope Siegward is a descendant of onion instead of all of them acting like that.
>>337927007
King lothric is Oceiros, it's a family name. Prince Lothric is the boss and inherited the name because he, not Lorian or Ocelotte, was supposed to link the fire.
He's still prince because his dad is alive.
>>337927163
Lothric did NOT link the fire. Everything that happens is Dark Souls 3 is because Lothric simply refused to become a lord of cinder like he was supposed to and instread cloistered himself in the archive waiting for the fire to fade out.
>>337929546
>with the player character and his companions being [...] alive
I've got bad news for you.
>>337929546
after ds3 im thinking hollows are not all that crazy
>>337929637
>I just hope Siegward is a descendant of onion instead of all of them acting like that.
>yfw every onion acts like this because they're always shitfaced drunk
>>337928583
>>337928117
>>337929092
I'd like to think Carim is like a western China. They're both very ruthless and almost inhumane, but they're both very long lasting too.
Also fuck, I forgot Catarina.
>>337929510
>Dark is dark, no flame. As it was in the Age of Ancients.
Not true. There was no Dark before there was Light and those came with the first fire as did Life and Death.
>>337929584
Yeah but the grand archives and the prince doubt the linking don't they? So it'd make sense that Kaathe would be working behind the scenes in the Archives to get everyone thinking linking is bad.
Could be a different snake entierly, who knows. Tons of those fuckers in DS1's lord of darkness ending.
What the fuck are these snakes anyway? They just exist?
>>337929546
Well the players in 3 are ash
players in 2 and 1 are real human beings, albeit cursed
>>337929805
the snakes are some sort of bible reference
>>337927879
Is it even possible? If I take too long to break the bracelet he just keeps advancing all the way to the wall at the edge of the boss room and then rams me with his ribcage.
>>337929637
>descendant of onion
Could be, his daughter does survive at the end of Siegbrother's quest in DS1 if I remember.
I always found it weird to see anyone else in Ash Lake. Why was it on fire in this one anyway? And where was it in DS2, I forget if it was in.
>>337929702
Perhaps crazy hollows just people that don't have goals/lost the will to begin with.
>>337929805
>Tons of those fuckers in DS1's lord of darkness ending
IF CU refused to link the fire, will be world in the same situation as in DS3?
>>337929950
She does. Plus, she wasn't undead in Dark Souls 1 so she could have just gone back to Catarina and started a family.
>>337929805
The talk of scholar being the reason for doubting the linking points way more strongly towards Aldia.
If it was a snake that made Prince Twink give up on linking the fire, it's unlikely it's the same one whom statues are all over the place, as there would be no logical reason to build statues for character like that.
>>337929647
Well, everything happened because all 4 lords of cinder refused to come back to their thrones, I don't see what makes Lothric so special.
>>337920139
No, he just hates clerics because they're just like any other asshole out there but they try to justify their actions with "righteousness".
>>337918662
>>337918605
>>337918574
>>337918442
Had this handsome devil in my head the entire fight.
>>337929767
>get to catarina in dlc
>it's literally a giant onion
>the entire dlc consists of helping bumbling onion knights on their adventures
>>337929950
Siegward could very well be alive at the same time as siegmeyer, he's described as an unkindled/ashen one like the player.
Presumably though, he's a member of yhorm's army or something, as he made a promise to vanquish yhorm should the events in DS3 ever happen
>>337930410
Lothric wasn't dead, the other lords of Cinder linked the fire and died, which is why they get rezzed in the intro.
Lothric refusing to link the fire and just walking away is what started the entire game, since you had to be resurrected to do what that bitch ass wouldn't.
>>337925034
His shield has a mention. Basically a power hungry asshole, who never did anything is how he was remembered. He got shafted by either history or Aldia.
>>337913956
Pretty much
>>337930817
>Implying it wasn't Nashandra
Even during the events of 2, she was pushing the idea of "he aint no kang cuz he aint dun shieet" for some time. History was already remembering him as the King Who Didn't.
>>337929950
Don't think it's around during 2, but the lake was moved upwards and kinda fused with Izalith/ruins, probably what killed the stone dragon too.
>>337930686
>since you had to be resurrected to do what that bitch ass wouldn't.
Not really, you are not resurrected to Link the Fire as you can't.
You are resurrected to fetch the Lords, or at least their cinders as that's what burst best, or something.
>>337931056
Go away /pol/
>>337912812
The ocean
>>337929683
>>337929702
>>337929820
Well, what I meant was, does anyone exist?
There are all these huge kingdoms (allegedly) with grand cathedrals and castles, but they are just filled with monsters and undead. What happened?
Was there ever a time where humans actually lived there, or was it always inhabited by hollows and undead? This is the part that makes no sense to me, did everyone just die?
>>337895074
full of green dust
>>337931358
is 3 your first souls game?
Every game takes place when the apocalypse is coming
>>337931358
>What happened?
It's the end of the world. Tends to fuck places, people and everything else up.
>>337931358
The world went to shit before the events of the game.
>>337931206
Golly gee, Reddit. A little paranoid today are we?
New DLC ideas
>Lothric's Glory Days DLC
Non-crippled Lorian vs Demon Prince
Black Hand Gothard
Gertrude's grand ascension
Human Dancer and VordtLudleth the exiled
>>337893865
Is there any lore on Hodrick besides him being Sirri's granddad, married to handmaid and a mad dude?
His VA was great and I was disappointed there was so little to his character.
What ever happened to those two primordial serpents from the first game?
Why haven't they shown up yet?
Are they having too much fun at the New Londo water park?
>>337931903
>we need more guys with firy-swords
Linking the flame is retard end. You don't do anything but burn yourself like a dumbass. The age of fire doesn't work.
Lord of Hollows is I want to be the smartest person in the world end, even if it means dumbing everyone around you down. Congrats, you've made everyone an ugly zombie thing that shambles around except for like 4 people. Now instead of most of everything being shit, everything is shit.
Firekeeper ending is the only smart one. Let the age of fire fuck off and let the age of humanity begin. Although, humanity has to figure out how to turn the sun back on.
>>337932079
Well Kaathe is the boss of Londor now.
>>337931903
Just tell us what happened to the primordial serpents and I'll be alright with whatever you give me
>>337932226
Betrayal > end of fire > shit > snake lover endings
>>337932079
Kaathe controls Londor. Judging from the statues int he grand archives, it is also implied that the serpents have been interfering in the affairs of other kingdoms through history, probably furthering their respective agendas.
>>337932493
Betrayal is the bitch ending.
>>337893865
>tfw From won't expand on the lore surrounding Sulyvahn
>tfw From turned one of the strongest and most based characters into a mid game bossfight
>tfw From will never let you combined the Greatsword of Judgement and the Profaned Greatsword so you can become the heir to Sulyvahn
Feels bad
>>337931903
No deep DLC with Aldrich in his prime give it to me now. He is the only lord of cinder with actual fucking lore story and multiple zones belonging to him.
>>337917676
>Ludex Gundyr
>L
Come the fuck on, man. The game did not display the guys name with a lower case L.
>>337932664
>can't power stance those two
>can't get Sully's clothing
There are almost no good cosplays this time, watchers and nameless are for faggots, SoC is boring and you can't make a proper princes cosplay since all light magic is Ooacile's only.
Least we got O&S as always, I guess.
>>337920139
He played SS, clerics take a % of your money every time you revive.
>>337932998
Sullys wearing the court sorcerer outfit you pick up in the profound captial though
>>337932664
I think gwyndolin was very obviously in control of anor londo and irithyll by extension for a good amount of time.
He then became sickly and weak.
Pontiff's greatsword of judgement states:
"A ceremonial sword, held in Pontiff Sulyvahn's left hand, respresenting the judgment of the moon, but with magic far closer to sorcery than any existing lunar power. Its dark blue hues, deeper than the darkest moon, reflect sorcerer Sulyvahn's true nature"
So what this means is that pontiff was probably a high ranking member under gwyndolin before usurping him, his allied nature with the religion of the deep for whatever reason meant that he would eventually allow aldrich access to consume gwyndolin.
Pontiff Sulayvahn himself is very obviously corrupted by the profane flame, and abyss, as he grows the pilgrim like wings.
Irithyll having photos of the kiln, nashandra etc, ties in with yhorm the giant's ds2 connections, pontiff discovering the flame at the profane capital, and also the drang warriors in anor londo.
It seems to me that there might be incentive somewhere for pontiff and aldrich to have conspired, but for what reason I'm not sure.
>>337932493
Betrayal is literally the same ending as the Dark lord, but without being cuked by the snakes.
>>337932664
>Sulyvahn
>Based
How?
>>337933153
But his fucking mask anon.
>>337932226
>The age of fire doesn't work.
It works quite well until the fire fades.
It's not a permanent solution, but it does the job. Although DS 3 might imply that fire needs linking more and more often in which case it's little use.
>>337933483
It's 99% their head canon thinking he actually controls aldrich
>>337933483
Basically he cucked the entire world. Read the thread to find out more.
>>337931903
>human dancer and Voordt
I don't know how they could do them
Maybe an alternate world like the one in Untended Graves, with the two of them being Wolnir size and mutated further. Like Wolnir but challenging.
Also weren't we getting a Four Knights Boss fight? I'd like to see it come back, even if it was cut
>>337933584
I thought he worked for Big Al?
>>337926218
Lothric was already bestowed title of "Lord of Cinder" because it was expected of him to link the fire, then supposedly Aldia showed up and persuaded him otherwise.
Aldrich was "made" a Lord of Cinder, whatever that means. So he may or may not have linkedt he flame. Since he seemed more interested in bringing about the age of The Deep, I doubt he actually linked the flame himself, but that's just speculation.
Abyss Watchers retain their human appearance without hollowing, but they most likely linked the fire as a group, sharing the title of "Lord of Cinder" in their wolf blood.
Yhorm definitely linked the fire, as we know his soul was so powerful that when he chose to link the flame, the resulting bust of fire ended up destroying his entire city and burning everyone in it to a crisp.
Anyway, I think it's safe to say, being a "Lord of Cinder" isn't something as simple as "Someone who linked the fire" any more.
>>337933153
He's not though
>>337933724
He does but faggots like to think their favorite character is better because their faggots
>>337933803
He is besides his mask
>>337933846
Looks completely different
What he wears is closer to the deacons than anything else
>>337933173
>photos
Paintings my good dear anon, paintings. Not photos. Probably not at least.
>>337893865
Pontiff is the kind of guy that would unironically say that Griffith did nothing wrong
>>337907903
Gundyr conquered the Abyss and took it into himself to stop it from spreading.
True hero.
>>337934068
But he did not do anything wrong.
>>337934068
No, Pontiff is the kind of guy that would feed Griffith to Weird Al.
>>337934057
Sorry familia, I am involved in several ridiculous internet arguments right now, and my writing is rather scattered.
>>337929805
>What the fuck are these snakes anyway? They just exist?
Maybe they are just really really ugly dragons.
Like Seath.
>>337934652
really really ugly dragons that hid in the slits and cracks of the world when gwyn fucked shit up
Might as well ask here:
I've been playing the Dark Souls games, just got done with 2. Reckon I should jump into 3 or wait for a definitive edition like Prepare to die and Scholar of the first sin? I kinda don't want to wait but also don't want to play an incomplete version of the game.
>>337934652
If they really were dragons there would be literally no reason for them to seek out either the age of fire or dark. They should try to go back to the age of ancients instead.
>>337934781
There probably won't be a SotFS situation where you have to buy the whole game again so might as well go for it now, but do what you yourself feel right.
>>337934781
Play now, have fun and replay when the DLC comes out. Then replay again in 2017 when the other DLC comes out. Try different builds on each playthrough.
Otherwise try to avoid these threads if you care about spoilers.
>>337934781
I'd go for it now. Dark Souls, I feel, have good replayablility so when the DLCs for 3 come out, you'll be ready and willing to go again.
>>337934781
Play now, this is probably the best online you'll have the chances to experience. Instant invasions and summons, grapes almost but still not fully treated like normal invaders, as they will ne in the future. Insta summons for Aldrich and rather quick for blues/dogs only if you do the PC trick.
>>337934781
I'm still holing out on playing The Witcher 3 because of that. I know combat sucks and everything, so I doubt I'd be willing to replay it. I'm just waiting for the final DLC to hit this month then I'll finally play it.
But as for Dark Souls 3, I'd get it now. It's a fun game. Getting invaded keep it fresh on each playthrough. I'd go for it now. When the DLC hits I'm sure I'll make a new character and enjoy it all over again.
>>337934781
Either get it now because there are still fresh players and everyone isn't 120 with memebuilds JUST yet, or get it when a DLC comes out and new players pool in from inevitable bundles.
>>337934939
>>337934983
>>337935186
>>337935659
>>337935664
Alright I'm buying it now, thanks for the input guys.I'm also waiting to play The Witcher 3.
>>337936081
SL 80 meta is even more trash then the 120 though/
>>337934879
Dragons are jerks.
>>337936147
If by trash you mean the players are trash and give me tongues and vertebrae for free, then yes.
>>337936347
No by trash I mean very little variety and are all shitters that fights end in two hits
>>337936147
Why though? Outside of luck fags it's rather cool how people make gimping choices instead of having gigantic HP/stamina/quality monsters.
Right now I have a glass 30dex/30int for crystal magic weapon Carthus great curved sword build and it's an actual threat instead of how stupid it could be with higher levels.
>>337936118
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
>>337895185
>>337897787
and has the same voice actress and personality and occupation
>>337925809
The item descriptions of their equipment talks about how they tell stories of the Painted World and the Maiden hidden inside. They consider it a paradise. The corvians are described as wretches with nowhere to go, and the Corvian Knife mentions that they're terrified of just being here. They were likely evicted from the painted world for throwing amazing parties, and got lost trying to look for it.
>>337934068
Could the Pontiff beat Guts?
>>337937581
pontiff couldn't beat my heavy caestus character
>tfw you've finished the game but just want more
>tfw there isn't a Dark Souls 4, and probably never will be
Help me, what can I do. There is no game that comes even close to the atmosphere and intensity of this game.
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