What's the equivalent in terms of 1v1 power level to a standard space marine from every faction
chaos is the obv one, just a standard chaos space marine.
what about orks? a Nob?
Eldar
Dark Eldar
tyranids
Imperial guard lol
'Ard Boy/Nob
One of the Aspect Warriors
Whatever the Dork Eldar equivalent of Aspect Warriors is
Whatever they have that's between a Termi/HomoGaunt and a Hive Guard
Stormtrooper
Space Marines in the games are supposed to be the faction with well-rounded heavy infantry that make up the core. As far as balanced ranged/melee prowess goes it's going to be harder to find equivalents for every other faction
The average CSM is probably more experienced than the average SM mind you, though plot armor makes them punching bags
A standard Ork Boy is about five Boys to a single Space Marine, dunno about the rest, I believe a single Eldar is equivalent to a single Space Marine.
>>337454732
A Nob will kick the shit out of a standard Space Marine
>>337455451
>A single Eldar
That's not how this works, son.
>>337455872
A single Eldar is a war machine in close range, as is a Space Marine, they work in different aspects, but they are very similar in standings
>>337454061
>chaos is the obv one
Chaos Marines are better than their loyalist counterparts, anon.
1 on 1, the Space Marine will have the shit beaten out of him.
It only starts getting equal once you start adding figures to these as Chaos guys lack any sort of proper organization or discipline whereas Space Marines don't.
>>337456002
>A single Eldar
Again, you don't know how this works. You are implying all Eldar are identical and equally skilled and powerful. A Guardian would be destroyed by a Space Marine. An aspect Warrior, like a Striking Scorpion or a Banshee, on the other hand...
>>337456306
Why'd we get the screaming faggots instead of these tossers
>>337456306
Which is why the whole topic is "standard"
If we want to get into unknown variables, I could say the same thing about Terminators, or Librarians, or Captains, or Chaplains, or a Chapter Master.
>>337455789
pretty sure that's not the case m8.
How powerful is Custode in comparision with a regular Space Marine?
>>337454061
There is a big difference between the games and the lore.
In lore 10 spess marines can kill hundreds of orks
>>337455789
In close combat yes, however a space marine can shoot him several times before that if he's crossing an open field.
>>337454061
The whole point is that marines are expensive m8. They might be worth 2.5 guardsmen each, a necron and half or three quarters of a nob, but finding even a single unit that's 1:1 identical will be pretty hard.
All I can think of are are chaos marines, they're pretty much the same.
>>337456718
I think a custode is on a par with a space marine captain.
>>337456631
It is the case, your average Nob is probably 8-9 feet tall, bristling with even more muscle than a normal Ork, and has a nasty streak a mile wide. Usually wielding some kind of chain axe or power klaw, which would split a Marine open like a tin can, usually they have a good amount of combat experience as well, to have survived long enough to become a Nob, and are very hardy. Thats not even getting into Power Armor Nobs.
>>337456571
A standard SM is already a elite op force.
There are just 1000 SM in one chapter.
>>337456718
Custodes are bigger and stronger than Astartes. They're more like smaller Thunder Warriors than bigger Marines, though.
They also operate in completely different ways
>>337454732
a stormtrooper = a space marine?
>>337454732
The Aspect Warrior equivalents of the Dark Eldar are elites, like Trueborn, Scourges, Incubi etc.
Also, Terma- and Hormagaunts are literal cannonfodder. Tyranid Warriors are closer equivalents of Marines (and arguably superior warriors than Marines are).
>>337456306
Guardians are equally skilled in combat as marines are m8.
>>337457442
no
guardian gay
all eldar is gay
mariners better in every way, especially lack of gayness
>>337457442
>in-game stats
You can't be serious. A Human being claiming to like Warhammer 40,000 can't be making the post you are.
>>337456128
>>337455361
so is a standard CSM is better than a standard loyalist marine?
what from Chaos would be equivalent?
>>337457256
Not really, but the thing about the Guard is that they're able to field the fellas in numbers. At best, those guys get bionics for things like enhanced reflexes, but nothing Astartes-grade.
Another comparable bunch from within the Guard would be the Ogryns, but those guys tend to suck at using guns.
>>337457654
the way you think is dreadful
what it must be like trapped inside a mind like yours
>>337457256
Stormtroopers are the absolute elite of the Imperial Guard, the best armed, equipped and trained of all non-augmented human forces.
The standard issue Hellgun is closer to a Space Marine's Lascannon than it is the regular Lasgun of the rank and file Guard
>>337457551
Something being gay is just your opinion senpai.
Statwise, Eldar Guardians are just as good shots, and equally skilled in wielding a blade, as Marines are. They also hit first in melee, because they are faster.
>>337457602
Those stats are fluff accurate m8.
The Eldar are superhuman beings, even their civilian militia are extremely good combatants. The Eldar are a race of genetically engineered warriors, just like the Orks are. Old ones made the Eldar to fight against Necrons after all.
>>337457954
And it still isn't near the level of an Astartes. A himan is still uman, an Astartes is that elite human taken above and beyond.
>>337456901
well lorewise a space marine could kill hundreds of guardsmen, nobs and tyranids but the tabletop can hardly have that scaling. I mean a few thousand marines can clear up a planet system and regularly do. In tabletop its basically two of anything else is a match for one marine (two necron warriors, two nobs, two tyranid warriors, two dire avengers).
>>337457654
the warp is a strange place. while the SM might be 10k years old in real time, only a week might have passed in the warp. They have severe logistical issues because of no mechanicus and their mutations are a mixed bag. Having a penis hand doesn't make you a better fighter.
Also they do drugs in the warp instead of training for the most part.
>>337458198
what about lore wise what would be the equivalent?
>>337458460
Another Space Marine
>>337454061
>CSM
A Chaos Marine is a hardened asskicker but their gear tends to be inferior. Overall I'd say they might have a bit of an edge on a standard loyalist SM. But that's before taking into account the blessings and mutations of Chaos.
>Eldar
This is a hard one, given the fact that Eldar soldiers choose a path with strict standards of training, equipment and battle doctrine. Physically, every Eldar is incredibly fast and agile, but obviously their specialization might put them at a disadvantage in a straight up gun/sword fight. If I had to pick one, I'd just go with the Dire Avenger as a 'standard' pick. Or perhaps a Striking Scorpion.
>Orks
A Nob is a good matchup for a Space Marine. Your standard ork boy is already pretty strong but is pretty inferior in terms of skill/training.
>Necrons
The closest would be an Immortal but they're at a disadvantage in close combat.
>Tyranids
There isn't one - Warriors are outright stronger, lictors are faster, genestealers are just plain meaner.
>>337458460
maybe a smart bone'ead
>>337457954
A space marine has the elite training + superhuman abilities that the storm trooper lacks.
And he has much better armor.
The bolter is also muc hstronger. Its not a assault rifle. Its a assault mini rocket launcher.
>>337456718
The Custodes don't really do shit unless Daddy Emps really is fighting off horrors of the warp from the broken webway
>>337458565
Bone'ead's are only just capable of spelling their own name
Genius level intellect for Ogryn but dumb as a box of rocks compared to even the most backward dung flinging Feral World recruit
>>337458076
>Those stats are fluff accurate m8.
Not him, but stat lines are not an entirely accurate indicator of in-universe capability. Unless you want to argue that Sergeant Harker could beat a Space Marine in an arm wrestling match.
>>337458743
but they are cute though.
We aren't discussing space marine's intellectual capacity, which is immense but directed towards combat tactics.
>>337457954
Stromtroopers are definitely hardcore, but they're still inferior to any Space Marine.
>>337458824
>stat lines are not an entirely accurate indicator of in-universe capability.
True, and I am not even arguing that Guardians are as good combatants as Marines are. However, they are on Muhreen skill level in regards to shooting and melee, even in fluff. The advantage Marines have is that unlike Guardians, who are basically civilians with some combat training, Marines are professional soldiers who have been indoctrinated for fighting.
>>337458987
they are more like genetically rebuilt soldiers brainwashed into fighting.
>>337457654
An individual chaos space marine is stronger than an individual loyal space marine due to mutations/experience/blessings. But a squad of loyalists are better than a squad of traitors due to improved training, modern wargear and a stronger bond. Every chaos space marine wants to kill his superior to take his place, whereas a squad of loyalists is a well synchronised killing machine.
>>337457602
>You can't be serious. I just... Wow... Wow. It's 2016! It's LITERALLY 2016. Come on. Wow. You can't seriously think that. Wow... just wow...
Make your point or shut the fuck up, butthead.
>>337454061
why do people like warhammer
i dont understand
im not trying to start shit i'm just honestly confused about how adults could blow money on this fictional world that doesnt seem that special
like i know all these fat metal dudes who yell "blood for the blood god" and shit
they're nice guys but
>>337459227
Also discipline. CSM are more likely to fucking wet their steel pants when things don't go their way, the selfish fucks.
>>337459318
same reason why people like tolkien.
yes ME isn't special compared to it's derivative works for the most part but it is a coherent world.
Warhammer is completely opposite. It is a pastiche of several things from the 70s and 80s blended together and ramped up to 11. It is a fun universe to base a wargame in, unlike lets say Star wars or Star trek
>>337455872
>what is a harlequin
>>337459227
>a stronger bond
>>337459318
Reality is fucking boring. For an example, did you ever did fitness? You need to work your ass off really hard to gain anything worthwhile. Yea maybe it's satisfying at first but then you realize it's a tiny little gain that changes fucking nothing. Everything in life is like that. So power jerking fantasy fiction like Warhammer 40k is fun to discuss, way better than /pol/ discussions, or anything related to normalfag's problem.
>>337459318
It's like star wars for heterosexuals
>>337459318
>doesnt seem that special
Elves, orcs, undead and knights in space in the furture isnt special?
Everything in wh40k is based on fantasy (Except Tyranids and Tau)
>>337459543
A fragile glass canon that, if it failed to murder the Space Marine squad in hand to hand (which it can do, but not likely) it will die from a punch to the face.
>>337458893
Ogryns are actually stronger than Marines. So they can easily tear them apart, limb for limb. But raw strenght doesn't matter if the Marine will score like 5 deathblows with his melee weapon before the Ogryn can even get his hands on him.
WFB>W40K
This is a FACT
>>337460058
>WFB got shafted due to not making as much money as 40k
This is what facts look like, anon.
>>337460046
Worse, the Marine can just engage the Ogryn in a shooting match.
>>337459952
A single Harlequin is more than a match for a single Space Marine, mate.
>>337459543
my waifu
>no qt space clown to make you laugh.
>>337454061
Pretty much anything with an anti-tank weapon. A single lucky Guardsmen carrying a shoulder mounted launcher and Krak missiles can reasonably expect to disable or kill a Space Marine.
Fluff wise they are amazingly durable and powerful, but they can't really stand in open warfare against a trained army- they just don't have the numbers. A full company of Marines can shock-assault a world and knock out all of its command stations and take the beachheads to allow for mass landings... but it takes the Guard (or Chaos cultists) to actually take the whole world and hold it.
Space Marine homeworlds tend to have huge PDF forces for a reason- they also tend to be better trained and equipped than Guardsmen would be and, being Marine fiefdoms, the Guard has no ability to tithe soldiers from that PDF.
>>337459492
>It is a pastiche of several things from the 70s and 80s blended together and ramped up to 11. It is a fun universe to base a wargame in
good ass answer anon. thanks for giving context; i didnt realise how old it was. i thought it was just some super edgy shit from the early 2000s that people never learned to let go of
>>337459781
are people like you actually real
>>337459781
>>337460443
What do you even mean?
>>337459318
This is interesting to talk about since Warhammer has solidified itself as my favorite sci-fi setting these past few years.
Firstly, I don't play the tabletop. I honestly don't have the money for it and I think I wouldn't be interested, no I get my dose of Warhammer from the Black Library novels.
Honestly what I think I like about 40k is how epic and grand in scale it is, alongside the large amounts of narrative it has. Like someone already said, and I've actually heard this before: Liking 40k has some sort of correlation to liking tolkein, and I did like the Lotr movies.
And I guess the shorter, shameless reason is that it appeals to my inner boy with its sci-fi badassery raised to 11.
>>337460443
Nah, Warhammer is waaaay older. Goes back to Rogue Trader, which came from the same era and mindset that gave us Judge Dredd. Which is why if you want to trigger Warhammer fans talk about how Space Marines were ripped from Starcraft.... when Starcraft was originally going to be a licenced Warhammer 40k game but the negotiations fell through.
Should I play dawn of war 1 or 2 first? I want to play them both immensely but if certain campaigns are necessary predecessors then I'll play them first
For the first game I have the base game, dark crusade, soulstorm and winter assault
For the second I have the grandmaster collection or whatever it's called that has all the dlc and shit (including chaos rising, the original and retribution)
I'm only playing for singleplayer
>>337460058
You mean Age of Sigmarine?
Do eldar not reproduce? Why haven't they started a new empire why is it a big deal if they lose a eldar?
They make a big deal out of it in the games if one of them dies
>>337460721
No I mean "the age where Kislev wasn't btfo"
>>337457097
wut
how big were thunder warriors?
>>337460749
Because when they die, if their soul does not have a wraithbone soul stone thing to enter, it is immedately eaten by Slaanesh. They don't build a huge empire again because they don't want to out-breed their ability to replace wraithbone. Its a morality thing.
>>337456718
They're chumps, actually.
Latest Black Library book had a Shadowseer kill dozens of them, solo.
>>337460694
DoW 1 is a standard rts with base building and massive armies.
DoW 2 is squad based with no bases.
If plot matters, its chronological with release.
Both are good in different ways.
>>337460749
dark eldar literally grow by the dozen in test tubes.
If an eldar dies, their soul gets eaten by slaanesh. so they need soulstones to preserve their souls. Since they are a rare commodity, they have to be very very careful.2908
>>337460975
spirit stones aren't wraithbone.
>>337460749
Because if they're not careful their soul is scooped up by a chaos god and tortured for all eternity. I believe it's less "no reproduction" as it is "if we have uncontrolled reproduction chaos will feast on more eldar souls."
Also the last time they had uncontrolled reproduction they accidentally created a chaos god so there's that as well.
>>337460975
why cant they make more wraith bone. or a better way to hold souls.
>>337461101
Are they not? I thought it was all the same ball of stuff. Either way, I know the soul stuff. I mostly read Imperial Guard stuff, never got into the Eldar novels.
>>337456718
1v1 is massively in the Custode's favor.
But the bigger the numbers get, the more advantage the marines have.
Custodes are trained to be individualists, and do their own thing most of the time. Not to mention the Eternity Gate is basically made to reenact the Battle of Thermopylae. Chaos had to bust out the Gal Vorbak to match the level of 1v1 assrape the Custodes could dish out.
Marines the exact opposite, and are trained to act in perfect unison with their squad.
>>337460749
They do, but it's supposedly a long process. But that's not the problem. Every Craftworld Eldar must wear their Soulstone which will protect their soul from being devoured and tortured for all eternity by Slaanesh. The only way of getting Soulstones is to travel to their Core Worlds, which are in the Eye of Terror. So at best you have to fight off some Daemons and ressist the temptations of the Eldar ghosts still haunting them, at worst you have to break through Chaos Space Marine ambushing you alongside their warbands and Daemons. Or the worst case scenario, Chaos Eldar decide they want to fuck you up. And that's not even mentioning all the bad shit you can encounter on the way there, in the Webway or real space.
>You will never be a member of Deathwatch
>>337461069
Don't exagerrate, a Shadowseer and a Death Jester killed 12 of them.
>>337460942
They're the Proto-Space Marines, not necessarily bigger, but they're stronger than Astartes and unstable to boot. They're the guys the Emperor used to conquer Terra.
>>337456631
A Nob will completely destroy an Astartes in close quarters combat. If this wasn't true then the only Ork capable of fighting an SM would be the Warboss, which is bullshit. Nobs are bigger and stronger than the average Astartes and usually kitted out in heavy armour, power weapons and bionics.
>>337461508
Aaah right. Didn't he pull a 'you have outlived your usefulness' on all of them?
>>337457954
In the fluff isn't there only like 10,000 Tempestus / Kasrkins?
>>337461227
they are both made from the warp, but SS are found only on crone worlds whereas bonesingers manipulate the wraithbone with their singing.
>tfw no qt bonesinger turned banshee waifu
>>337460942
They were basically mortal primarchs.
>>337461724
She'd sing to my bone alright.
>>337461459
>12
Definitely more than that.
>>337461834
>inb4 the autist who wants his eldar to look like Ayylmaos
have another one. a qt soft faced space elf
>>337461787
Aren't you exaggerate their power?
>>337461682
Yes. But a bunch still survived and engaged in minor actions during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy.
>>337462050
>eldar with freckles
>>337462050
>>337461724
HIT 'EM 'ARD ENOUGH AND ELDAR TURN TA PASTE
>>337462030
Vangorovich mentions the dead Death Jeaster and twelve dead Custodes, 4 of them lying around the Death Jester. Not dozen, twelve.
>>337458076
>Something being gay is just your opinion senpai.
no, it canon
eldar gay is lore and in every codex
mariners better
>>337462302
You should go back and reread it, then. It went more like
>rey and bho run into one group
>kill them and move on
>run into another group
>kill a few of them to get past
>get to the gate guarded by titans
>get bogged down by custodes and have to stand and fight
>bho gets killed, while rey fights on
>she surrenders
Simply going by the 12 that Vangorich saw, then there was definitely more than 12 dead Custodes, because he didn't mention the ones killed before the first set of gates, let alone how many might have not been dead near the Death Jester.
So I'll concede that it might not have been dozens but it was probably something like 20-25.
They're still chumps.
>>337458076
I dunno if elves being gay is an opinion anon.
>>337461589
A Nob can't aim for shit, though. A Space Marine dumb enough to not outshoot an ork warboss is not doing his job right. Marines are faster though, so a Space Wolves or Blood Angels might kill a Nob in h2h with their insane amount of attacks. If they fail, they'd get krumped, though.
>>337462190
Nope. Well, maybe a little. Some renegade Thunder Warriors tried to escape a prison. Emps sent the War Hounds AKA the World Eaters after them.
The basically naked thunder warriors killed the shit out of them. They still lost in the end, but for every dead thunder warrior, there were six dead World Eaters.
They're strong as fuck.
>>337462856
Nobs aint stupid, I mean, by Ork standards. They are also incredibly fast despite their size, thats what a lot of opponents don't expect when fighting Orks, for those massive frames to move so fucking fast. Not to mention just how fucking durable they are, especially Nobs. Anything less than a power weapon will just as likely get lodged in their muscle and get stuck, or just slice through but not even slow the Nob down. If we put the Nob in power armor, it gets even more insane, since they are moving faster, hitting harder and tanking more
>>337462856
The reason a Nob lived long enough to become a Nob is because he's smart enough not to run into gunfire like a retard. Firing at a Warboss would also be pointless considering he'd be wearing mega armour.
>>337462664
They don't kill whole groups. She kills like three herself, one by decapitating him and two by shooting them. And Custodes only engaged them in the hallway leading to the gate, so Vangorovich would see them all.
I can't quote it because I deleted the file like 3 hours ago, but the way it's worded made it absolutely clear to me that only 12 died.
>>337463347
Even without mega armor, a Warboss is usually thick enough to take bolter fire and not even slow down.
>>337461408
> Slaanesh will never tempt you with unending pleasure while you try to maintain your faith in troubling times
posting more qt space elves
1 Ultramarine is enough to kill a Warboss. Didn't you guys play Space Marine?;^)
>>337463423
>They don't kill whole group
Yes they do. If I could copy-paste those paragraphs I would do so but I can't.
>I can't quote it because I deleted the file like 3 hours ago
Then trust me, because I have the book right here and just reread that chapter. It's explicitly clear that there are more than 12 dead Custodes.
The esteemed guardians of the God-Emperor are a bunch of pushovers.
![147465-1161x972-circle+a-warhammer+40k-adeptus+mechanicus-skull+probe-tech+priest-girl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d8i1bLo.jpg "147465-1161x972-circle+a-warhammer+40k-adeptus+mechanicus-skull+probe-tech+priest-girl[1]")
>>337463629
>>337463631
group of ultramarines are enough to defend a planet from entire nid swarm
What are the other factions equivalent of a titan? Im talking imperator class
>>337463784
>adeptus mechanicus
>with flesh
now THIS is HERESY
>>337463784
I see no problem with this. It just show how effective are the teachings of Guilliman. There's a reason why every other marine chapter sees him as their spiritual liege.
>>337463978
>Not reading the Ciaphas Cain novel where he off-screen bangs a qt AdMech Enginseer who uses a mechanderite tail for everything
>Not reading the 2nd book where she shows up again, many decades later and now heavily augmented
>She kept the lower half of her face to facilitate dick sucking
Are some chapters more powerful than others? I mean individually, not the whole chapter.
For example the Thousands Sons have magic 'n shit, the Iron Hands have more tech.
Does that make a big difference or a SM equals a SM regardless of the chapter?
>>337463683
Man I doubt it, you are the first one who has actually read the book and claimed 12+ deaths. But I'll take your word for it, the engagement was really badly writen imo.
I'd be a little less of a salty Imperialfag if it made it clear why the two Eldar managed to effortlesly fight through a hallway full of Custodes waiting for them, almost all of them at the end of it. Especially when the Emperor's presence is fucking with them, or at least it was before never being mentioned again, the Shadowseer admitting to herself that the more skilled Custodes could easily take her 1 v 1 and in the end they just dogpile her for no reason and the Captain punches her so fast she barely regiatered it. Not to mention they don't even use their full powers, just equipment, so it can't even be accused of elf wankery.
I know 40k powerlevels are all over the place, but it's usually just authors doing cool shit. But to have such huge differences, a little bit of Imperial wankery and half assed Eldar wankery in like 10 pages is an achievment.
>>337464373
yes
![_Shadowsun%20Daemonette%20Dark_Eldar%20Dawn_of_War%20Eldar%20Farseer%20Farseer_Macha%20Imperial_Guard%20Imperium_of_Man%20Necron%20Sister_of_Battle%20Tau%20Tyrani[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5tP2Any.jpg "Shadowsun%20Daemonette%20Dark Eldar%20Dawn of War%20Eldar%20Farseer%20Farseer Macha%20Imperial Guard%20Imperium of Man%20Necron%20Sister of Battle%20Tau%20Tyrani[1]")
>>337464239
Why not keep her fucking pussy what good is a mouth on a woman
>>337463908
Gargants for Orks, Wraithfags for Eldar, Bio-Titans for Tyranids
Necrons didn't have one last I looked and Tau have their almost-but-not-quite Big Boy Crisis Suit and before that their anti-Titan thing was a plane
>>337456892
Gots ta be a kunning git den
>>337463978
Not all Adeptus Mechanicus go full robot, at least at first. Early adepts are mostly human with maybe a few mechandrites, it's only when you start going higher up the echelon and the older priests do you see full mechanicals.
>>337464573
Would be hugely amused, in a Monty Python kind of way, if that chart included a Space Marine just wearing a bikini that didn't fit him at all, but still had the helmet on, with just a caption under him that said 'Why?"
>>337464373
Ultramarines are the most powerful chapter.
>>337464685
Funny how Orks are the only faction with a reasonably realistic titan.
>>337464573
Loli D is cute, but she looks very uncomfortable and that makes me upset and ashamed of my terrible perversion.
>>337464845
She's upset she was forced into a one piece instead of a bikini
>>337454061
Lorewise?
Tabletopwise?
Gamewise?
Space Marine power levels varies wildly.
![1555320-vengeful_black_templars[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VH1V8a5.jpg "1555320-vengeful black templars[1]")
>>337464845
>>337464406
>the engagement was really badly writen imo
I can't argue there.
I'm hardly an Eldarfag but I thought it was always the case that Harlequins don't fuck around. And she was actually a Shadowseer, which is second best next to a Solitaire.
And it didn't help that they were being pretty fucking stupid when they charged the Eldar instead of just hanging back and letting the Warhounds do their thing. Or bringing in some godamn flamethrowers.
I've read very little Horus Heresy (where I assume the Custodes actually get to do shit), is there anything showing how much ass they can actually kick?
>>337464685
>almost-but-not-quite Big Boy Crisis Suit
Riptide?
>>337459085
Chaos plz go
>>337464845
Dont be ashamed, she is literally a creation of lust and excess, her appearance is based on what you find attractive and alluring. If you get off on lolis and Slaanesh sent a Daemonette to lure you in, it would probably look very prepubescent in appearance to you, while to others it may look like a voluptuous woman. The uncomfortable expression is literally just an act to get you horny for her.
>>337465002
Supremacy armor and Stormsurge, it's the Tau's current answer to Titans, and still don't do the job very well.
>>337459227
>stronger bond
>implying you can be more bro-tier then Blood Gorgons
>>337465173
>it's the Tau's current answer to Titans
>imperium stomps all over the place with their Titans
>everyone else, even the Tyranids, just respond with their own titans
>Tau try to be clever instead of just making a fucking titan
>>337465173
>>337465250
Every time I look at the ankles on these things I'm reminded of the time I accidentally snapped the foot off a Crisis suit model just by fiddling with it a little too much
>>337465250
the legs are sexy
Post your favorite
>Dawn of War 1 expansion
>Dawn of War 2 expansion
>>337465206
No one can be more bro tier than Deathwatch. Part of their training is to be strapped down and forced to watch hours of Space Marines being slaughtered in hopeless battles with an Oculus Rift, they have to be restrained because they get so fucking angry from how real it is to watch space marines being slaughtered that they want to jump in and save them, because at that point it's no longer about chapters, it's about another marine being killed.
>>337461408
>you will never be some inquisitor's puppet
seems like a good feel to me anon
>>337465173
>army full of weaboo mechas are to stupid to make giant mecha
>>337465086
Thats not good
>>337465335
They literally cannot make a titan, those two Titan-killers, as they are called, are the limit of their engineering and resources. Just to power the things they are using highly experimental, highly dangerous power sources, and the things themselves can't even move, despite having legs, the Supremacy Armor and Stormsurge are, for all intents and purposes, stationary weapons, and have to be moved around by other ships. The things are huge fucking resource sinks for exceedingly rare resources which the Tau can barely spare as is, but it's their best bet at the moment.
>>337464994
Yeah, Shadowseers and Death Jesters are serious business. No problem with them wrecking shit, but the engagement was really badly presented. Still cool to read though, so that's ok.
They are pretty hyped in HH in most of the battles they participate in. Valdor even beat Horus 1 on 1 in a sparring duel. Except for Prospero, they don't really do anything notable against the Thousand Sons. There is also that time in Outcast Deadwhere a unarmored and unarmed World Eater tears a fully equiped Custodes, maybe even more than that, I can't really remember, to shreds after being imprisoned on Terra for some time. I don't even think he had the Nails in him.
>>337465471
>it was actually the Space Marines themselves who came up with the idea for the Deathwatch
>they still operate and execute missions when not in contact with the Inquisition
chaos cultist pls go and stay go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46EQKe8GY
Anyone else excited for Space Hulk: Deathwing?
>your legs are broken
Remonder that dreadnoughts are just as fast and agile as marines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6g6QdTeJFs
>>337465335
Im pretty sure you don't make the Titans, you randomly find them from some ancient race that is long gone
>>337465347
You discovered the hidden weakness of every Tau battlesuit and didn't report it to your nearest inquisitor? Are you some kind of xeno loving heretic per chance?
>>337465864
Can I play as Ezekiel and do EVERYTHING?
>>337465864
release date when
>>337461069
>>337461459
Which book is that???
>>337464373
Depends on their doctrine, geneseed, wargear, experience, etc. This might be an interesting read
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Gene-seed#Mutation
If we take Grey Knights into consideration, they've got top-tier stuff and they're all psykers
>>337465960
They gotta be. You stuff a highly skilled space marine into a dread, but don't make the dread capable of keeping up with his previous skills, you pretty much gimp him, making his whole existence redundant
>>337465864
What are you playing as? They're not space marines right?
>>337466067
I'unno.
>>337466073
My completely unqualified guess is sometime this autumn.
>>337465405
>Dawn of War 1 expansion
Dark Crusade
>Dawn of War 2 expansion
As much as I love Chaos Rising I had too much fun with new units and IG in Retribution. The fact that that most of its life Chaos Rising used gfwl also kind of helps to make a decision.
>>337465662
I see. Sounds like the Tau need to give the Necrons a call, ask them how it's done.
>>337466210
They're space marines belonging to the Deathwing company, belonging to the Dark Angels chapter. The key diffrence is that they're wearing terminator armour.
>>337465173
Wait, this thing can't walk?
Are you fucking serious?
....
....
....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>337466114
Throneworld. Latest book from The Beast Arises series.
>>337466138
>1d4chan
The stuff there isnt all serious.
>>337466286
Wew. Where can I start reading about warhammer 40 k? It seems so badass
>>337466067
ARCHIVE RECORD VIEWER
>>337463498
>>337465086
>>337465642
>Be an Imperial Inquisitor
>Study Slaanesh daemons to combat them
>Everyone wonders why you are able to resist the allure of Slaanesh
>Tell no one you are able to resist them due to being a lolicon
Not even Daemons can win against 2D
>>337465173
No no and no. It's GW's answer to make single units that cost shitloads and people will still buy them. Tau uses Flyers with shitlaods of railgun batteries to blow titans. But these models do not sell because people dont like flyers for some reason and the rules for them are shit.
>>337466340
It could probably move a few feet, but it's absolutely no where close to the nimble movement that all other Tau battlesuits are known for, it's why it and the Stormsurge have so many god damn weapons, so it can defend itself since it can't move around. The Supremacy Armor is actually a defensive battlesuit, by the way, the first of it's kind for Tau.
Even with all that, it takes multiple of these things to kill single titan, the majority of them given the job of popping the void shield, while the remaining ones aim for the titan once it's shields down
>>337466443
Just browsing https://1d4chan.org/ gives you a good idea of how fun 40k can be. Keep in mind that it's all largely delivered with a heavy dose of sarcasm, hyperbole, and a light-hearted attitude.
Otherwise there are sites like http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/ but they're not even half as fun
>>337460342
They're more dramatists than comedians, anon.
>>337466646
The only flyer with enough umph to do anything against a Titan are the Tau's Tiger Sharks, and those just weren't enough, because titans are still too strong to be beaten by a bunch of augmented fighter-bombers.
>>337466951
>he doesn't find the fall of the Eldar funny
found the xenoposter
>>337466398
Well yeah, pretty obvious when it isn't. It's sorta okay for casual rundowns of 40k nonsense overall if you can tolerate the /tg/ memes.
>>337458076
>Old ones made the Eldar to fight against Necrons after all.
Wasn't it the Orks? I thought the Eldar came to be naturally.
>>337466810
Oi, where could I find this "interrogation" Cant find the old threads. Never got to see it finished when it was new
>>337467130
Nope, the Krork, Eldar, Jokaero and a bunch of others were all made to fight the Necrons
>>337466951
yeah. its funny to laugh at their misfortunes.
>>337467130
It's never outright confirmed, and both stories are equally possible. Some say the Eldar were already around, other say the Eldar were made along with the Korks to fight the Necrons
>>337467228
try "an eldar's ears"
on 1d4chan
>>337467029
thats why they should have made new class of fighters instead. But rules for flyers were ass and are even more ass now with the new dogfighting suplement that no one would have bought them. And the players get their dicks moist from big walkers that somehow classify as monstrous creatures
>>337467130
>Wasn't it the Orks?
Sometimes it was both, or neither. Sometimes it just mentions the Eldar as being allies of the Old Ones. The lore is purposefully vague on that subject.
But if they were made to fight the Necrons, they really fucking suck at their jobs. 10 billion years later and those guys are still kicking around the galaxy.
>>337467390
Sadly it does not have the pictures
>>337467413
I personally would have loved to see the Tau pull out some new flyers, or a tank or something to combat titans, it would have given them a really interesting take on titan-combat, but I also kind of like the idea that all their titan-tier combat options are just stationary walkers with shit loads of weapons.
>>337467493
Eldars had a starchart with every Necron tomb worlds location. The knuckleheads lost it when they sexed slaanesh into being. Eldars suck at everything
>>337467493
>His legs are not okay.
>>337465250
THICC
>>337467604
I got them off /tg/
>>337467727
I'm just annoyed that GW only caters to the battlesuit loving crowd. I like my hammerheads and devilfishes but they both are useless except it very niche situations. DW still costs too much for a transport with peashooters anything AT is better than hammerhead because more manouverability. Updated crisis suits models are fucking ace though
Tyranids; Genestealer.
Orks; Nob.
Eldar; Aspect Warrior.
Tau; Fire Warrior.
IG; Chimera Tank.
Chaos; God-Aligned Marine, actually. Chapter Marines are actually more capable than standard Chaos Marines. Runic Marines, Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Khornates are actually equivalent.
Necrons; Warriors.
Dark Eldar; Who cares?
>tfw no qt wych waifu
>>337466210
Okay, in simple terms.
Every chapter (formations of 1000 marines from a distinctive faction, like Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Ultramarines) has a First Company with the 100 most badass dudes of the chapter.
From these 100 badass, one dozen and a half are chosen as the most badass and given an even more heavy armor called Terminator Armor, designed basically to turn it's wearer into an indestructible, self-supporting killing machine, able to resist even the depths of the sea or the void of space withouth support. Then they load them with the biggest, baddest weapons the chapter has and group them in squads of 5 mofos that can effectibly deal with seemingly impossible threats.
That's what you'll be playing in the game.
>>337467749
>guys the necrons are waking up shit FUCK we were supposed to kill them like a million fucking years ago
>it's cool we still have the map of all their shitty tomb planets
>alright where is it
>>337462856
Nobs also aren't aiming for you mostly, they're going in with 'uge hammers or big choppas.
>>337468019
>Eldar; Aspect Warrior.
Way to narrow that down.
>>337468523
Except for the Space Wolves, who have a company that might actually be even more powerful than it's first company in that they journeyed into the Eye of Terror fully intending to do nothing other than kill their way to their lost Primarch. They have an entire company of what is essentially berserker Vikings slamming around in the warp killing everything they come across.
>>337464373
So
>minotaurs have the fanciest anti-marine toys since they are designed to fight other chapters
>dark angels are dark angels,shitton of archeotech and are basically a legion
>Ultramarines,Wolves and Templars have more then 1000 member
>Blood Angels and their succesors have shitton of magic and rip and tear in close combat
>Ultramarines are simply the best of them all
>>337469572
you mean dogfuckers
Phoenix Lords vs Primarchs
Who are the bigger power wanks?
>>337469709
Templars have many, many more than 1000 members. As a crusading chapter the Imperium decrees they can have as many members as they want. Last estimate was something like 600,000.
>>337469709
Dont forget that the Salamanders have the highest quality gear, since every Salamander is a blacksmith and is capable of fixing their own gear and building things, so their Techmarines are able to work on making really high quality shit instead of spending all their time fixing the equipment, practically all Salamanders are decked out in near artificier-tier equipment
>>337469887
Are they all working together in one big cluster fuck fight? The Primarchs would win, there are more of them, and they are all fucking crazy powerful.
>>337469572
Also the Black Templars who are without a doubt back at legion strength, the Inquisition knows this but they just can't prove it because every time they ask the High Marshall how many marines he has under his command, he just shrugs his shoulders and goes "I don't know".
>>337469887
Phoenix Lords win because they are immortal and one soloe'd enire nid Hive Fleet tendril
>>337469887
Are you fucking stupid?
so why didnt the god emperor just fuck the chaos gods up?
>>337470154
Angron > arhara
>>337459310
Nice hyperbole. At least he didn't manipulate the greentext like a child.
>>337469963
Salamanders have slower reactions compared to other Astartes, though still much better than the average Joe
>>337469916
>>337470127
This was literally never true. Legions were massive, Black Templars were never even near those numbers. I mean 600k for fucks sake? That would mean that 60% of all Marines are BT if we go by the official and retarded number of a million marines.
And it was retconed explicitly, BT are only slightly over 1000 now.
>>337470127
Legion numbers mean nothing when a single ultramarine is worth 20 templars
>>337470127
The Black Templars only had six Grand Crusades, with each being a whole Chapter's worth of insane bastards
The smallest Legion was eighty thousand strong (Raven Guard) and the strongest two hundred fifty (Smurfs)
>>337470251
He was trying to. He had no way of fucking them up in person, so he was trying to starve them and make them irrelevant. The Emperor had more than enough power to stride into the warp and kick the shit out of the gods in their own domains (individually, all together and even Emps would be fucked) but it would be pointless, since any damage he delivered would be irrelevant within the god's domain. It's why they ran like little girls when the Emperor vaporized Horus' soul, they were currently in the materium, so if they got caught in the Emperor's attack, there was a very real chance they would have been completely destroyed as well.
>>337470251
cause he's a corpse and the chaos gods are dank
orcs and the great destroyer are the biggest problems in the universe and probably going to kill everything
>>337465002
how are pilots supposed to sit in anything above Stealth? no matter how you position someone they won't be able to move arms or legs to control stuff
>>337470127
>without a doubt back at legion strength
>fanwank bullshit now counts as being canon, 'without a doubt'
I don't think so.
>>337457442
Not even close to true.
There are in-lore cases of a squad of tactical marines massacring thousands of eldar, enough to make a pile so high they were touch the top a ceilings of one of the imperiums massive buildings.
Normal eldar are in no way equal to a space marine.
>>337470567
whose the great destroyer?
>>337470571
Cockpits with control panels instead of one to one movement
>>337470567
> implying the thing that the nyds are running from wont win the war
>>337457442
>5+ Armour rolls
>>337470571
Most Tau battlesuits are piloted in tandem with a Tau pilot and an AI program.
>>337467493
Actually they did a good enough job. The Necrons were so beaten they spent 10 billion years in hibernation to recuperate. Don't forget it is only recently that they're rising and they're nowhere near their old power level.
The eldars were the favoured creation of the Old Ones. The orks were made in desperation when they needed a more brutal and Hardy creatures.
Humanity is the petri dish that grew sentient.
>>337470749
Great Devourer*
It's the tyranids
>>337470832
>Humanity is the petri dish that grew sentient.
Nice heresy you got there.
>>337470832
>The Necrons were so beaten they spent 10 billion years in hibernation to recuperate
Yeah, due to the fact that they had just waged a second war against the C'tan.
Eldar couldn't even cut it as janitors.
>>337470571
One of these shitty things in the middle
>>337470832
The crons weren't beaten.
They won. They utterly and completely beat the old ones. Then they went to war with the C'tan, which weakened their forces significantly. The pn the enslaver plauge happened. All this caused the silent king to realize they fucked up big time, so he ordered all the Necrons to hibernate, until the time comes for the to retake the galaxy and find a way to get new organic bodies. He then freed them from mindlessness and then left the galaxy for what was supposed to be forever, as punishment for what he did.
>>337459227
>modern wargear
Anything modern is shit.
Old stuff is superior in 40K.
>>337470770
I was under the impression they were moving away from themselves, because they've already consumed so many galaxies and are over populated and out of organic material to consume
because there's separate fleeting moving towards the milky way from so many different directions
>>337471127
Thanks for reminding me why I hate the retconed lore.
so what are the powerrankings in the 40k universe?
God emperor > Chaos gods etc
>>337471218
The Stormbolter is explicitly superior in every way to the outdated Combi-Bolter Chaos Marines still use
>>337471278
The old lore was the same except the bit with "pokemanned the C'tan"
>kick the shit out of Old Ones
>Enslaver plague
>literally nothing to be gained fighting Warp spawn so lets all hibernate and get up when the galaxy has recovered from being eaten by bugs
>>337471245
Yeah, you can pretty much ignore the
>nids are running from something
memesters. It's just some stupid fan theory that gets repeated way too often.
>>337471278
Yeah, it sucks, but the crons winning wasn't a retcon. That's always been the case
>>337471048
WINSTON'S BEEN HIT
>>337471282
he is the strongest warp entity there is. He fucked chaos up good.
>>337471282
Gork/Mork > Power Gap > Everything else
>>337471546
>He fucked chaos up good.
>ended up handing them the strongest warriors they would ever need
Your Imperial propaganda is no good here, loyalist.
>>337471546
he's not even alive he's a skeleton with a diaper
>>337471724
>literally unmakes the strongest champion of chaos with his mind.
A Krootox might be able to do it at close quarters, but he's screwed at range unless a rider's got a mounted sniper.
>>337471607
except they don't have a corporeal form
and orcs are too retarded to use their physic powers for non retarded things
they might be mary sue levels of powerful on paper but they're barely even real
>>337471757
the strongest entity in the universe is a skeleton with a diaper
>>337471501
You wanna hear a meme theory ?>>337471607
Gork and mork fucking nonsense is a meme, not nyds running from reapers
>>337471724
The emperor did fuck up chaos good.
He beat horus, who had all the power of the chaos gods poured into him at the time, so badly that horus' soul ceased to exist. And he did that while he was mortally wounded and he hadn't been trying at all until the very end of the fight.
The emperor did make quite a few mistakes, but that doesn't change that he fucked chaos up.
Also, the emperor is the reason Failbadon the armless is in charge of the legions of chaos. That isn't exactly handing them the best warriors ever.
He failed 13 failed black crusades. 13
>>337471808
>killed a pawn that had fulfilled its purpose
Chaos has already won The Long War.
>>337471936
>corporeal form
Neither do the Chaos Gods, what's your point
>>337471487
The War on Heaven must have been fun i mean
>Stars were extinguished, planets burned and razed and entire star systems were swallowed whole by artificial black holes.
>>337472107
>sits in the eye of terror rotting away
>w-we sure won
>>337472107
>ITS ALL PART OF LE PLAN xD
>gets it's shit kicked by everyone and greatest champion is an armless fuck.
>>337472125
I think he means Gork and Mork aren't fully manifested.
They're just memes floating around in the WAAAGH! field.
are the three races going to be balanced like star craft races?
>>337470810
ok, this makes the most sense. you can't get fluid movement with basic controls so the AI makes up for the limited pilot input
>>337472107
Hahahahahaha
Chaos can't win shit.
Abby barely won cadia and has no control over the area of space around it. And the crons were coming to help out because he was messing with their pylons, but then the enitre canon stopped.
>>337472205
>golden throne is failing
>astronomican is dimming
>L-long live the Imperium!
It's already ogre.
The galaxy is fucked.
>>337472318
Why does Failbbadon still lead anything?
>>337472101
Shut up! Abbadon has a plan for a new crusade! You'll see! The 14th time's a charm!
>>337472298
probably.
Lelic outsourced CoH2 balance and it suddenly became better.
>>337472125
huh
they all do in the realm of chaos
the brass citadel / crystal labyrinth + impossible fortress / garden of nurgle / pleasure palace
they actually exist and have forms, gork and mork are some bullshit concepts that aren't even real
>>337470571
The Crisis suit wouldn't have enough room for the pilot unless they were in the fetal position the whole time. Can you imagine the cramps you'd get from a long engagement in that thing?
>>337472101
> While the exact origin of why /tg/ continues to depict Abaddon without his arms is unclear, these are some rumors; It all started when some drawfag made a picture of Abaddon painting, being the failure that he is he depicted him without arms and so now he fails in the ability to paint. Another is how someone posted a metal figure of Abaddon in some forum without his arms, complaining that his arms fall off/break very easily. Thus, the joke eventually caught on.
>>337472664
>warp energy
>corporeal
I'm not so sure, mate.
>>337472664
Can you actually destroy a concept
>>337472101
>That isn't exactly handing them the best warriors ever.
Regardless of how successful the Black Crusades are, there is no denying that Space Marines, both loyalists and traitors, are hands down the best soldiers in the galaxy.
I love 40k threads
>>337472839
I can try and argue about it anonymously
>>337472764
yeah I guess that's a debate about the definition of corporeal
>>337472294
Do not underestimate the power or memes in the 41st millennium. Especially memes fueled by trillions of innately psychic beings.
Hell the Emperor was a meme and now he has the psychic might that rivals the chaos gods themselves.
>inb4 pepe becoming the mightiest of gods.
The day when Abaddon succeeds in his crusades will be the beginning of the 40K equivalent of the End Times in WFB.
>>337454061
>Chaos Space Marine
Pretty much equivalent, CSM have WAY more training for the most part, but their gear is 10,000 years out of date. They make up for this by warp magic and demon possession.
>Orks
Somewhere between a Nob and a Boy. Nobs will squish a standard space marine in a straight melee, boyz actually have about 2:1 odds on lone space marines. This only takes melee into account though, in shooting, SM have a massive advantage.
>Eldar
In terms of skill, most Eldar are on par with SMs. However, Eldar are usually much more fragile, being closer to IG in terms of physical strength and toughness.
As far as good matchups for Eldar vs marines, Banshees (They ignore marine armor) and Dark Repaers (Same reason) both are killing machines against SM in melee and ranged respectively. Striking Scorpions would be about as even as you could get.
>Nids
Warrior broods are pretty much equal, slight edge in melee combat maybe depending on what they're kitted with.
>IG
Ogryns are far stronger than SM, but IG are far weaker. In tabletop, Ogryns sometimes have difficulty applying that advantage because they attack after marines do. Also, they have trouble peeling through their armor.
>>337470571
>pilots
You already have your answer. Most of them are mechs and not "suits" as their name implies. There is just enough space for a set of joysticks, pedals and some neural interfaces.
>>337472891
wouldn't terminators be better
>Battlefleet Gothic
>Deathwing
>DoW3
2016 is the golden age of 40k vidya
>>337473198
The Emperor's gaze has returned to us!
>>337457442
When did guardians get 4/4 WS/BS? I thought they were always 3/3?
>>337473189
Terminators ARE marines.
>>337473198
I doubt it will be out for 2016.
>>337472664
Gork and Mork exist, they just don't get as much screen time as the Chaos Gods because GW forgot the setting wasn't meant to be completely serious and two gods who aren't furled by Grimdark no longer fit
So are humans fucked since the emperor will eventually die?
>>337469572
>>337470127
These two are the most unorthodox regarding organization amidst the First Foundation chapters. Seeing that most chapters follow the standarized doctrines of Guillman I think that the previous explanation is plenty accurate.
>>337473454
The Chaos Gods will uplift humanity as soon as that old windbag kicks the bucket.
>>337473348
space marine implies power armour
"space marines" isn't a faction
>>337471282
>power rankings
on theory is that the only reason why all the different factions in the universe haven´t killed each other yet is because tzeentch as the chaos god of change keeps fucking everybody over in the background. even his own followers that happen to be to successful for tzeentchs plans.
think about it if for example khrone choas marins managed to completely whip out the empire then this would only mean less possible changes in the future which in return would weaken tzeentch. so he sends his own followers to fuck over his dearest siblings when ever they get to close on archiving victory.
same goes for the other races. I´m convinced that most big ork waaaghs only start and end because tzeenth wants it to happen.
he is literally the only character that has an interested in keeping all the different factions alive while at the same time constantly in war.
>>337473454
When the Emperor dies hes get reborn
>>337473454
Everyone's fucked since these guys moved into the neighborhood.
>>337457551
i've never seen a more butthurt imperium fag
>>337473589
Space Marines are literally a subspecies of super genetically modified humans
It has nothing to do with armour
>>337473589
No clue what you're on about now.
>>337473712
Keep your humanized filth away from me.
>>337459649
Did they fucking get RKO to be the face for this? :/
Slaanesh is by far the most fun Chaos God
>>337473593
>Tzeentch fucking everybody
>not Cegorach
>>337473843
fuck off faggot. they are elves in space
>>337461069
well harlequins in general ain't no joke so i wouldn't class them as chumps at all
didn't they kill like thousands of orks in 10 seconds or something
>>337457551
>men squirting their seed into little bois
>not gay
>>337467493
>that one article about Samus clearing a planet of Necrons
>Samus does a better job alone at clearing Necron than the Eldar.
>>337457349
aren't warriors the aspect warriors of the deldar and exarchs would be the trueborn, scourges, incubi?
Will eternal crusade ever be good?
>>337474173
Don't count on it
>>337459227
>better gear
but choas marines get all the cool artifacts from their gods
>stronger bond
depends on the type of chaos marine we are talking about
I can only really see some type of slaanesh or nurgle marines constantly betraying each other for more power but nurgel and tzeentch followers are mostly just in it to fulfill their gods desires
>>337473843
I have never seen a more butthurt imperium fag
>>337474090
>>surgical implantation of various organs
>>squirting seed into little boys
>eldar """"""""bants"""""""""
>>337474256
>its clinical and sterile.
>its not gay at all.
>>337474173
It shows promise. Its already pretty fun, but they add new stuff into it slowly. Yesterday it got 2.8gb update that mostly optimized it and upped it to UE4
>>337465976
You are pretty wrong
>>337474256
not him, but the eldar's insertion of flamboyancy into their war attire makes them way cooler if you ask me.
It's also one of the reasons why I love harlequins, dire avengers, banshees and spiders but fucking hate dark reaper aesthetics.dark reapers can look cool, but skull masks are a little old hat
>>337470627
>Black Library marinewank is an accurate representation of lore.
>No Tau shills shitting up the thread.
You did good /v/
>>337473303
Few dexes ago.
A welcome change desu.
Eldar are inherently superior to humans. It made no sense for Guardians to be equal shots with friggin guardsmen.
>>337474646
Indeed sir.
>>337474519
Matt Ward is a genius writer.
>>337474148
Kabalite Warriors are somewhere between a Guardian and an Aspect Warrior.
>>337474646
tau aren't my favorites, never even played an army of them, but they are pretty cool sometimes.
>>337474745
Ward doesn't even make BL novels. He was a codex writer.
>>337474757
what about wrack vs wraithguard?
>>337474519
>in game stats are a good representation of the lore
I WANT TO MAKE TENDER LOVE TO SHADOWSUNS FOREHEAD SLIT!
>>337474716
What mod?
I've always wanted a modded campaign but could never find one.
>>337474929
looks like ultimate apocalypse and ultimate apocalypse is fucking awful.
>>337474929
It's Titanium Wars
>>337474957
I don't like it very much either. I've tried it but it never gave me the option to play a campaign. Also, isn't there another mod that's like UA but less shit?
>>337474764
Please remove that uggo as fuck new "art" from this board in this instant
>>337475043
THANK YOU!
>>337475093
>remove that ugly art good sir
>looks exactly the same
no.
>>337474860
Wraithguards are so above Wracks it isn't even funny.
Wracks are just a bunch of mutilated, and augmented Deldar with nasty poison weapons and tough enough skin that they get 6+ armor save despite walking around bare chested.
Whereas Wraithguards are toughness 6 armor save 3 golems that tower over man and Eldar alike, and carry guns that rip holes into reality.
Though, poison weapons can actually kill Wraithguards pretty decently.
>>337475162
You're welcome Imperial citizen.
>>337474871
In this case, yes.
Eldar Guardians are extremely good warriors according to the lore.
Them being equal shots and as skilled in melee fighting as Marines are, makes total sense.
Again, I am not saying that Guardians can beat marines in melee (though it is actually possible in tt), just that they are on the same level of skill.
Remember, the Eldar are a genetically engineered warrior race.
>>337474173
No, shit devs, backpedalled on everything including the f2p model (now it's b2p + in game store).
Avoid it at all costs unless you manage to get it for free.
>>337474235
>followers of tzeentch not betraying each other at every opportunity
Not how it works.
>>337474235
>but choas marines get all the cool artifacts from their gods
Which in turn turns them into mindless chaos spawns.
>>337475213
wracks don't have to be augmented deldar.
They can be augmented tau as well!
Haemonculi kicked the shit out of the tau pretty readily with nothing but wracks and grotesques. Not saying the two are completely equatable but its a funny story
>>337475464
Have you actually been following the development of that game since last year?
Because devs didn't really backpedal, as most of the old ones were fucking fired, and new ones, who set far more realistic goals for the game, took their place.
>>337475625
M8, wracks and Wraithguard fill completely different roles, and are not really similar at all.
Wraithguard are tough as nails elite units with extremely strong guns, whereas Wracks aren't even the toughest deldar infantry, and are more of a specialist units with esoteric wargear, that are really good against infantry.
>>337475806
Commented on the wrong post:
>>337475614
>>337455789
In an armwrestling match and in the crunch, certainly.
In the fluff, Space Marines utterly outclass them in terms of agility, tactical capacity equipment and melee/ballistic skill, thought that's not to say Nobs are lumbering idiots.
If that weren't the case, Orks would rule the galaxy by virtue of outnumbering Astartes by thousands, if not millions, to one with Nobs alone, even with all the infighting.
>>337475625
>and new ones, who set far more realistic goals for the game, took their place.
Is that the reason why animations are copy pasted by Space Marine, the models look worse, the voice acting is pathetic for a 40k game and it went from planetside to battlefield?
>>337475901
i never said wracks and grotesques are on par with wraithguard so no need to go crazy on me
all I was saying is it's worth noting and considering that wracks and grotesques fucked a tau world up like it was nada.
>wracks aren't even the toughest deldar infantry
are wraithguard the toughest eldar infantry? are wraithlords not considered infantry? would make sense.
>>337476001
but orks WOULD rule the galaxy if they actually banded together and tried
>>337473712
>humanized eldar
Fuck off
>>337475485
Followers of Tzeentch don't tend to dickstab each other very often, since their leaders tend to be powerful diviners.
Plotting to betray a diviner is like hunting a lion by covering yourself in bacon.
>>337476013
The animations aren't even copypasted from Space Marine.
And I very much doubt that the models we have seen are finished ones.
As for voice acting, that's a matter of taste. I find it serviceable.
And yeah, moving from planetside to battlefield is one of the more realistic goals. I didn't trust the original devs for a moment to deliver a Planetside 40k, so now that the new ones have set the bar on a more feasible goal, and actually produced a playable alpha that is at the moment, nearly as good as Spesh Muhreen was, and has tons of potential to be even better, I am actually rather hopeful for the game.
Honestly, anyone who believed a word that Miguel, that french canadian cunt, said, was a bloody retard.
>>337476191
Wraithguard are infantry, and yeah, they are toughest eldar infantry around, with toughness 6 and 3+ save.
Wraithlords are monstrous creatures.
>>337475614
That image looks amazing. Fucking love DE-art (even though those things aren't Dark Eldar themselves I think.).
>>337476260
Naturally, but the ratio of Ork:Nob is ridiculously high compared to guardsman to astartes, which is literally in the billions.
If Orks could field that many astartes tier combatants, they'd roflstomp the galaxy in a decade.
Remember that, fluffwise, marines are almost never deployed in any concentration higher than a company, and even then they tend to be spread out.
>>337476297
well as we all know. I draw 100% of my art and have control over the art design.
>>337470467
>>337470529
Legions varied tremendously in size. The Thousand Sons, for example, probably numbered only about 10,000 marines before the fall of Prospero, though the average seems to be around 100,000.
In any case, while I would not argue that the Black Templars are, in fact, at legion-strength, they are getting close to it (if we compare them to an exceptionally small legion).
>>337477194
I like it senpai
>>337476297
>humanized eldar
When I think about Eldar I see an Asian Tilda Swinton with long limbs, is that what they would look like?
>>337477941
>ignorant
>unenlightened
Do the Tau ever look in the goddamn mirror?
>>337469916
>>337470467
Wrong and wrong
BT are estimated at anywhere between 6k-15k marines
There's no way to truly know their standing numbers but it's well known that it's way more than 1k read some fucking novels and lexicanum
>>337477941
but nids, orks and necrons don't need faith and they can fight chaos just as well
>>337477826
there is a picture from the codex, just look at that.
>>337478247
does imperium?
>>337475416
Gaurdians are not at the level of marines. Nothing like this has ever been said.
>>337472125
>daemons are a literal manifestation of a chaos gods power
>>337478616
No, but they are as good at shooting and as skilled with a blade as marines are.
>>337479191
In game stats aren't cannon. In any way shape or form.
>>337478351
>BT are estimated at anywhere between 6k-15k marines
Not anymore.
Yes it's bullshit, but that Black Library for you
>>337479426
In this case, they very much are.
The Eldar guardians are described to be extremely good combatants, far above even the trained warriors of lesser races.
>>337479615
>lesser races
Eldar, please go.
>>337479615
>The Eldar guardians are described to be extremely good combatants, far above even the trained warriors of lesser races
You say this, but when asked to provide evidence you only point to the stats.
Show me where it says that normal eldar are the equivalent of tactical marines in combat.
And no, the stats aren't evidence.
>>337479615
You're logic is circular.
You said that the stats repersent the lore in this case.
You were asked for evidence of this. The evidence you provided was the stats. When it was pointed out the stats don't prove that the stats represent the lore, you once again said "in this case they do represent the lore".
You need something besides the stats to prove the stats represent the lore you mong.
>>337479723
>eldar are the equivalent of tactical marines in combat.
I never made such claim. Unless you think that skills at shooting, or with the blade are all that encompass combat skills.
>tfw realize blizzard got everything from warhammer
>>337480063
Then provide evidence, that ISN'T the stats, of this claim.
>>337480119
Blizzard's main talent is stealing from other companies, the Spellforce team is still pissed from what I hear.
>>337480048
I am not going to dig my codex out and take a picture of the page that describes guardians just to prove a point in some dumb internet argument.
Anyone with an Eldar dex can read the description of Guardians themselves.
>>337457442
>>337473303
>>337470627
>>337457602
>>337478905
>>337479191
>>337479426
From what I gather the difference of one unit (for example BS3 and BS4) is a huge margin, in an exponential order. A space marine (with his Toughness 4) is exponentially tougher than a guardsman and eldar (with their toughness 3).
That said an eldar can be twice as good as a marine in shooting, but their order of magnitude is of the same value.
That's why despite Salamanders being much slower than most marines their initiative is still 4. So yeah, it makes sense an eldar shares a marine's BS and WS. They may be half as good, but they're still an order of magnitude better than the previous level.
It's like a cost efficiency of an algorithm. An algorithm that costs O(2n) and another that costs O(3n) is of the same order (O(n)) while one that costs O(2n^2) costs O(n^2).Hope my autism isn't leaking too much
>>337480217
So what you're saying is you have no proof, but rather than admit that you'll simply say:
>I don't need to prove it. It's there and if it matters so much you can look it up
Just admit you were wrong anon.
>>337479597
Fucking GW the only fucking reason I liked the BT's over other chapters and they take it away.
>>337478247
They don't understand the concept of the warp or why nobody uses AI.
If they survive at all, they're in for a horrific awakening
>>337480692
Their depiction from 50k seems eventual, a mostly dead race turning into a bunch of raiders.
>>337478470
Nids and Necrons have no souls that can be manipulated, and Orks are safe in the knowledge that any forcible possession will be met by Gork and Mork coming round to the God in question and kicking his teef in.
>>337480253
You're right in that the stats do shiw tha gaurdians are better than, say the average gaurdsman, at shooting, but that doens't mean they equal marines.
However, even this is dubious, as shown by the ork boy.
Orks are supposed to live only for combat, amongst the most fearsome warriors in the galaxy.
Yet in the game they're I2, BS2, WS2 and S3. As the /tg/ meme goes
>orks are a melee race!
>I2
GW puts little tought into their rules, and as such the fact that crunch sometimes matches fluff does not mean that cruch is designed to match fluff.
>>337480395
No, faggot.
What I said, was that I was too lazy to go trough the effort of taking a fucking photo of the fluff text of guardians, but as you kept insisting, here you go.
Note the "more than a match for the soldiery of the lesser races" phrase.
>>337456389
Fantastic.
>>337481039
Orks are BS4, T4 and S4 though. But yeah the whole I2 thing is not right. No way are they more sluggish than a guardsman.
>>337474235
>I can only really see some type of slaanesh or nurgle marines constantly betraying each other
Is this nigga serious? All of the fluff surrounding World Eaters and other Khorne kunts has them constantly chomping at the bit to murder one another.
They've got the butcher's nails hammering their brains 24/7 telling them to kill the nearest lifeform.
>>337481478
>BS4
I meant WS4
>>337481039
Except Orks with the old Furious Charge would become I 3 on the charge. They would suck if somebody ambushed them, but once they got going, nothing could really withstand a charge of a full mob. I see no problems with this.
>>337481805
Nope, Furious Charge gives +1S on the 1st round of assault. The whole thing of orks is that they're as tough as marines but twice as many. They count on you not being able to wipe them out on your turn before they hit you, and they hit hard.
>>337481209
And the tactical marine description names them to be "amongst the greatest warriors in the galaxy."
And the necron warriors are described as "death itself"
Ork boys are said to "excel at close quarters combat" and with fire arms they are said to "cause absolute havoc"
Litteraly every unit description says that the unit is the best of the best.
That's not evidence. The unit descriptions are extremly biased. Provide direct evidence that shows an eldar gaurdian is capable of equaling a tactical marine, not the very biased unit description.
>>337481931
Read the fucking post, I said old Furious Charge. It used to give +1 I all the way until 5th ed.
>>337482047
My argument was never that an Eldar guardian would be capable of "equaling a tactical marine" (ie, be as good overall combatant as a tactical marine)
I just stated that Guardians are on the same skill level of shooting and melee combat as marines are.
And fuck you, I am not gonna start digging trough some black library novels to find me an example of Guardians fighting marines.
You asked for a proof, I gave you proof. The stats of the guardians are faithful to their description which I just gave you. If you continue to dispute Eldar being as good at shooting and in melee as marines, it basically just boils down to "nuh uh, spesh elves can't be as good as muh speshul muhreens".
>>337454732
>Stormtrooper
lol no
The correct answer is Nob, Aspect Warriors, Kabalite Trueborn or Wych, and Tyranid warrior
>>337475614
Wracks are all augmented Eldar, They're DE who are in debt and need to work it off by serving a Haemonculi
Grotesques can be any race though
>>337457763
what did he mean by this?
>>337484390
>Wracks are all augmented Eldar, They're DE who are in debt and need to work it off by serving a Haemonculi.
Probably a stupid question. But what happens when the debt is repaid. Do the Haemonculi revert them back to their ''normal'' form?
>>337486113
That anon is wrong.
Wrack's aren't deldar who are in debt to the Haemonculi. They are diciplines of the Haemonculi, who wish to learn from them, and one day, join their ranks.
>God tier
Emperor
Chaos Gods
Ork Gods
C'tan
>Ultimate tier
Primarchs
Avatar
Swarmlord
Eldrad
Greater Daemons
Super Warbosses (The Beast, Blackfang, Urlakk Urg, etc.)
Draigo (ugh)
>OP Tier
Chapter Masters/CSM Lords
Librarians/Sorcerers
Daemon Princes
Farseers/Autarchs/Archons/Succubi/Haemonculi
Necron Overlords
Hive Tyrants
Standard Warbosses
>Mega elite tier
GK Paladins
Exarchs
>Super Elite Tier
SM Veterans/CSM Chosen Terminators
Trueborn/Grotesques/Wych Hekatrix/Incubi
Tyrant Guards
Triarch Praetorians/Lychguard
Meganobz
Grey Knights
>Elite tier
Space Marines
Nobz
Aspect Warriors
Kabalite Warriors/Wyches/Scourges/Hellions/Wracks
Tyranid Warriors/Raveners
Immortals
>Great tier
Sisters of Battle Celestian
Firewarrior Shas'vre
>Good
SM Scouts/Neophytes
Sister of Battle
Stormtroopers
Firewarrior Shas'ui/Kroot Shapers
Guardians
Genestealers
'Ard Boyz
Necron Warrior
Ogryns
>Eh Tier
Guardsmen Veterans
Firewarrior Shas'la
Kroot/Vespid
Arbites
Ork Boy
Lesser Daemons
>Blek tier
Guardsmen
Gaunts
Daemonic Beasts
>Shit tier
PDF/Conscripts
Cultists
Mutants
>Below shit tier
Gretchins
>>337486521
Thanks. I need to go back and read the DE codex again.
>>337463629
>that hideous face and body
>qt
>>337486593
No way Kabalites and Wyches are on the level of Aspect Warriors. They're pretty good, better than Guardians for sure, but no way up there. I would say not even Trueborn are up there. That spot is reserved for Incubi.
Also Aspect Warriors are probably better than average SM, probably on the level of SM veterans. It's just SM are super versatile while aspects are just one-trick ponies.
>>337458536
>Overall I'd say they might have a bit of an edge on a standard loyalist SM. But that's before taking into account the blessings and mutations of Chaos
People seem to completely ignore how important training and maintenance is for a Space Marine. They seem to think that once a Space Marine has been trained, he'll never deteriorate.
Imagine a real life special forces operative at his peak, and a retired one who hasn't worked out or trained in years, and who's suffering from severe psychological trauma. Obviously, the guy who's been training is the superior warrior.
The same goes for Space Marines. Their abilities aren't just derived from their equipment and their genetic enhancements, but by their constant training and their discipline. They also have the advantage of having their armor and weapons constantly maintained, while the CSM wear their old scraps.
Granted, the CSM have the advantage of chaos powers, so the question is whether or not this is enough to overcome a Space Marine's superior abilities, training and equipment.
If we look to the real world, we know that strategy, tactics and discipline always beats disorganized, but well armed warriors in modern combat.
>>337459649
"Die as you have lived"
As a traitor?
>>337465864
>Not a tactical FPS/RTS hybrid
>It's another fucking multiplayer wave survival game
Oh goody, just GW licensing more awful shit games.
>>337464743
He would be the only attractive character on that chart.
>>337454061
>Despite pleas for reinforcements or to be allowed to retreat, DuCaine waited until he was sure the bulk of the Ork forces were fully committed -- swarming like a tide of black ants in numbers large enough to be visible from orbit like a spreading stain -- before answering with the might of his Legion. The Space Marines would be the hammer to the Urshans storm. Using gunships and assault landers to blast through the hurricane of flak and wings of Ork aircraft which vulture-swept the skies above the battle, the Xth Legion tore open a hole into the bloated body of the Ork horde and deployed its full armoured might into a single massed spearhead, comprised mainly of heavy Malcador, Mauler and Land Raider tanks. In the shadow of these armoured giants, the Legion's squads and Dreadnoughts formed in close and disciplined ranks. Moving forward as a single, slow-moving mass, lashing out a relentless torrent of firepower, the Legion went in unison like some immense harvesting machine through a field of ripe grain, destroying everything in its path. It rushed forward perpendicular to the half-overrun Imperial defence lines, the Legio Cybernetica and the Legion's own rapid-moving skimmer and Jetbike squadrons spreading out in its wake to terminate any pockets of survivors and guard the hammer's flanks and rear.
>On and on the Orks came to fight and to die. In response, the Xth Legion re-armed and re-formed, meeting them in open counter-attack, unleashing their pent-up bloodlust and rage on the enemy until the wasteland plain was choked with bodies and broken war machines. After days of near-continuous fighting, the waves of alien assault grew fewer and fewer between, until they guttered and stopped at last. The Orks of Rust had not lost the will to fight, but had simply run out of blood and machinery to spend.
>>337489059
>marines drop into the centre of an ork WAAAGH
>kills them all
Holy fuck marines are OP, but I guess it makes sense since there are only 1000 marines per chapter and their enemies frequently swarm in the billions
>>337489637
The thing is orks are always jobbers in lore which is bull because orks saved the entire universe back with the old ones and they have been designed to be the ultimate life form
Space marines being the poster boys will barely ever lose
The only hope we have is with ghazz krumping the some bigger gits
>>337486593
I fucking love gretchins you nigger.They should be ultra mega god tier+!!!
>>337454061
please tell me DoW 3 will be an RTS
DoW 2 was boring as fuck
>>337490224
Never forget
>>337458614
>The bolter is also muc hstronger. Its not a assault rifle. Its a assault mini rocket launcher.
I'd just like to point out that carapace armour can stop a boltgun shell, but power armour cannot stop a blast from a hellgun.
>>337456718
Custodes are some weird mid-way between a standard Astartes and a Primarch. Some are about as good as Captains, while some can rival the Primarchs in sheer skill and power. That, on top of their extensive wargear arsenal, makes them the ultimate last line of defense for the palace. They will still lose to a Primarch though. Those guys are on a whole other level.
Also, guy who's saying a Guardian could take a SM 1v1 is probably retarded. S3 T3 versus S4 T4 is not going to win. Especially with a shitty 5+ save.
>>337490124
Orks are complete fuck ups though.
They were created to save the Old Ones from the Necrons, C'tan and, afterwards, the Warp horrors. All of these still exist and the Old Ones are dead.
Then they degenerated into Orks and somehow birthed their own gods in the Warp. Now Gork and Mork do fuck all and don't realy protect them from Chaos, yet they want the Orks to conquer the galaxy but the Orks prefer to muck around.
>>337490679
>Guardian could take a SM 1v1
RNG can be crazy sometimes still highly unlikely
A guy on /tg/ the other day was saying how a lone grot took out a terminator
>>337490334
Yeah.
Basebuilding and big armies are back too. Screens look shitty, but hopefully we'll see some actual gameplay during E3.
>>337491180
Thanks for the good news!
>>337491289
http://www.pcgamer.com/dawn-of-war-3-inside-relics-biggest-rts-yet/
>>337471218
Space Marine gear is one of the very few places where this generally isn't true. The Mark IV 'Maximus' parttern was (IIRC) supposed to be the final main-line power armour to be put into production, as the Emperor planned to phase out Marines so his beloved Imperium could remain purely 'human'.
The standard Imperial power armour, the mark VII, was a direct result of the Horus Heresy. The power armour research teams scrambled to produce a suit that would give them the edge over the traitor Marines, which eventually lead to the Mark VII being produced right at the very end of the Heresy. The Mark VIII came afterwards as a straight upgrade from the VII and thus is the best standard suit pattern in the galaxy.
Older suits are incredibly highly prized by chapters for their immense rarity, not for their combat ability (apart from the mark VI, but that one is somewhat specialised and much more common than IV and below). In the fluff the vast majority of them are kept as display pieces or parade gear because it's not as good as their standard armour.
>the rest of the 40k universe vs the Ultramarines
Who wins?
>>337491908
ultramarines are shite m8
>>337476336
Now I want to read a story about a follower of Tzeentch dickstabbing a superior at the absolute most inopportune time, because no one would expect it, but it works because no one expects it and Tzeentch shit.
>>337491646
While I don't disagree, isn't there a "magical" component to equipment in 40k? The universe seems to operate under a different set of rules, where ancient weapons and armor that have seen great battles or have been used by great warriors seem to be infused by some holy (or unholy) power that enhance their abilities far beyond their technical specifications.
I would assume this would apply to almost every suit of armor that was in use when the Emperor was still alive.
>>337467029
>The only flyer with enough umph to do anything against a Titan are the Tau's Tiger Sharks
Uhhhh, what about this overpriced abomination? It's pretty stronk in lore.
>>337490949
Doesn't matter to them if they fucked up as long they fought hard that's all that matters to them.
They beat the necrons so bad they went to sleep for millions of years.
Gork and Mork are too strong for the chaos gods because their followers outnumber theirs.
Now that ghazz is about they finally have someone that can do What they want.
>Orkz prefer to muck around
>>337474646
It's hard to say what's Tau SM analogue. Crisis suits are more like Terminators, Fire Warriors are obviously inferior. So,not much to say.
>>337491142
Termies always roll 1s on saves when you least want them to. I think it's a curse.
1V1 it would depend on the charge. is the SM had the charge the battle was over before it started. 4+ to hit with a 3+ to wound vs 4+ to hit 5+ to wound, then the entirety of the saves. Hell I could run one with standard equipment right now.
>>337491142
>desperately charge a squad of Imperial Guardsmen into a full squad of Terminators
>one Terminator whiffs his save and eats a bayonet
>his buddies whiff everything and don't score a single wound in return
>they lost the combat
>they fail their leadership test
>the Guardsmen pass theirs
>the Terminators are run down by the Guardsmen and killed to a man
>>337493765
Alright. 10 rounds of 3 matches (SM charge, Guardian charge, no charge)
SM/G: SM charge
7-3 SM wins
SM/G: G charge
6-4 SM wins
SM/G: No charge
6-4 SM wins
Yeah, whoever is saying Guardians are Astartes equivalent is retarded. I tried shooting rounds too, but started not caring when the SM won 5 in a row.
>>337492498
>the face of eternal ginger virginity
>>337492498
Manta carries jsut as much relevant anti-titan weaponry as the Tiger Shark, whilst being much bigger.
Why are /v/ W40k threads so damn good? Is it because of all the autism?
>>337473908
>tfw you're slaaneshi irl
where mah /utterlydepraved/ bros be at?
>Came back from work and thread is still going
love you guys
>>337494963
Uhhh, that's wrong though:
>Tiger Sharks are armed with twin-linked Ion Cannons, twin-linked Missile Pods, two Burst Cannons, a Targeting Array and three Drone deployment racks that can carry up to fourteen Gun Drones as standard. Tiger Sharks can also be equipped with a Blacksun Filter and a Disruption Pod. Some Tiger Sharks forgo the use of a Drone rack in favour of six Seeker Missiles while others modify the Drone rack to carry Aerial Drone Mines or two Remora Drone Stealth Fighters.
Meanwhile, Mantas have Heavy Railguns, which are railguns comparable in power to Titan laser weaponry. They can also fire submunitions for huge area of effect damage! It also has SIX Ion Cannons and a fuckload of burst cannons, missile pods and other stuff.
>>337492816
>They beat the necrons so bad they went to sleep for millions of years
Afraid not, mate. It was the dust up with the C'tan that made the Necrons take a long nap.
Orks aren't even mentioned as doing anything during that time, actually.
>>337495420
its people actually caring about the games, gamedesign, artdesign and coherent canon my dear friend
>>337495693
>people actually caring about ... gamedesign, artdesign and coherent canon my dear friend
>warhammer thread
are you high or what
>>337454061
I heard there is a guy that always rewinds everytime when imperium loses or something. Any info on that?
>>337495945
First time I've ever heard of it.
>>337495945
You might be thinking of some odd sort of perpetuals anon
>>337496061
>>337496417
Hope someones reading this shit because the lore is great
>>337496061
>Freedom is the only thing worth fighting for.
USA! USA! USA!
>>337496939
God bless you patriot
>>337496819
Sadly my dumbass forgot to save the rest of that
>pics of my waifu Chelsea Wolfe ended up in my 40k folder
now how did that happen
>>337495607
Im talking about the AX-10 variant anon. And Ion cannons burst cannons and missle pods wouldnt really bother Titans all that much
Did GW ditch the slav guy who did the black and white sketches in the old Codexes? I see more and more recent art that doesn't seem to be up to his quality
Really a shame because he's really good
>>337497269
Oooh, that makes more sense.
>The AX-1-0 provided a nasty shock when a strafing run from one destroyed the Warhound Titan Advensis Primaris. The three other Warhounds in the battle then withdrew rather than face such firepower.
Damn, why couldn't Tau just stay "modern military with plasma guns and some small mechs" race, why did they have to be weebified so much?
>>337497604
Mind posting an example? I think I know who you mean
>>337497873
Here's his portfolio
http://karlkopinski.com/
Going of what little Age of Sigmar art I've seen and the assassination of Aun'va I don't know if GW ditched him or not
>>337456718
Big E > Primarch > Grey Knight Supreme Grandmaster > Grey Knight Grandmaster > Space Marine Chapter Master > Grey Knight > Adeptus Custodes > Deathwatch > Space Marine Captain/Commander/etc. > Legion of the Damned > Space Marine > Death Company
>>337498048
Looks like the last art he did was for the TPS Space Marine. some FG shit shows up but I can't date how long ago it was. Probably around the same time so I think its safe to assume hes gone
>>337498221
Custodes are better than GKs IIRC.
>>337497269
>>337497765
Get your stuff updated.
The Tau are releasing a new anti-titan aircraft (picture related). This is from the incoming Admech vs Tau Imperial FW book where the Tau and Admech will fight over the secrets of an abandoned Forgeworld.
not gonna read the thread, but how strong are the humans (all factions) in the lore?
can they take over the galaxy?
can they survive the next tyranid invasion?
only lore related answers pls.
>>337498757
Who needs aerodynamics when you have HUGH GUNS? But it looks neat.
Tau are the best.
>>337498859
Humans are the top dogs of the milky way(the place where the setting is centered)
>>337499112
>dogs
More like "top monkeys" if you ask me.
>>337499112
It's normal I want them to win?
But yeah, how strong are the humans in the lore, I'm sure shit like the imperial guards work together with the space marines and those units that are officials.
>>337499220
test tube race pls go at least humans evolved by themselves and don't owe everything to their makers.
>>337495973
>cypher hanging out with heretics
This may or may not be heresy...
Wondering if deathwing will do anything to that fluff
>>337497765
Because flyers are cumbersome to play with and people buy more gian robots as was seen with riptide and Imp and eldar knights. And the flyers are fuckoff huge in 28mm so that adds to the cumbersome. I hope the epic relaunch is good
>>337499246
Emperor is the strongest being in the universe.
>>337499353
The humans emerged from a bio-sphere that the Old Ones seeded.
>>337498757
Holyahit. Some actually nice looking models from GW for a change
>>337499458
Not really. A full C'tan God would murder him.
>>337499246
The humans are in the position of fighting everything everywhere in the fluff. They are holding out somehow. But there is no way for them to win unless Matt Ward rewrites every imperial codex
>>337499510
>a bio-sphere that the Old Ones seeded
You mean, a Geofront?
>>337499510
Yeah but humans were left to themselves meanwhile Eldar were literally propped from the ground up by their makers.
>>337499436
Daily reminder that Imperial Knights view Riptides as the deadliest of their foes. More deadly than Ork, Tyranid, and Chaos walkers.
The Imperial Knight house that fought the Tau have lost has lost more Imperial Knights to the Riptides and big Tau suits than they have lost fighting in the Horus Heresy.
Riptides are no joke..
>>337500309
Imperial Knights are fucking dumb and so are Rapetides.
Small mechs >>> fuckhuge mechs >>> stupid medium-sized abominations.
>>337494369
Marines cannot be ran down due to ATSKNF. Unless they were chaos pansies.
>genestealers
>>337499628
Sure.
Here's a picture of the Eternity Gate, where the Emperor is depicted slaying the Void Dragon, which is considered the most powerful C'tan god.
>>337501523
Void Dragon is okay, though. He's just asleepon Mars.It was just a prank!
Everyone jerks off to how edgy this trailer was.
But the best part of it was the smile.
>>337501523
>slaying
That's a strong word for something that's technically not dead.
>>337456389
banshees and scorpions are badfuckingass in their own right.
>>337501523
>Here's a picture of the Eternity Gate, where the Emperor is depicted slaying the Void Dragon, which is considered the most powerful C'tan god.
I don't think you get what happened 5 years ago. The Newcrons happened. The Emperor did not fight a full C'tan. The Emperor fought a shard of the Void Dragon. The fight exhuasted him and he admitted that destroying the shard was beyond his power.
A full C'tan shard would utterly wreck him.
Furthermore, canonical the Nightbringer is the strongest C'tan according to the new fluff.
>>337462050
i like both humanized and ayylmeldar
Who would win, a space marine or a Hunter from Halo?
>>337501887
This. Can a chaos god even come toe to toe with a C'tan for that matter? Some how I think it'd be a pretty even match.
Any hope of vidya with any Primarchs?
>>337501981
>shoot it in the back with any weapon
>it dies instantly
>shots travel so slowly you can just dodge them
wow
>>337502113
C'tan cannot into the Warp and the Chaos Gods cannot into Real Space (for the time being)
Never shall the two meet.
>>337501981
>a bunch of worms with armor vs a literal cyborg with a 200lb energy infused suit of armor that was made to go hand in hand with the shit ton of implants that space marines have
You tell me.
>>337501887
Just wait another few years then. The Emperor will have gender reassignment surgery and will defeat the misogynistic C'Tan using the power of love and acceptance.
Gotta get with the times.
>>337501981
A bunch of grunts with plasma pistols could probably kill one. Plasma is serious business in 40k.
>>337502160
>>337502356
>gameplay
>canon
>>337502781
>every time there's a new 40k game the eldar are always represented by a wench in the trailer
>>337497223
To be honest, your picture sounds too good to be true.
This one, however, is too fucking good regardless of its authenticity.
>>337503226
the wenches are pretty cool.
Is there a chance that the story in 40k will ever progress? I mean, there's the problem of 40k being the setting for a game, which means you can't really make any drastic changes that would give either side an unfair advantage. Is it bound to just keep going the way it is?
>>337465642
>hight
damn ruined son
>>337503569
WFB got hit by such "progress" with the End Times and Age of Sigmar. I'm not sure you or anyone else for that matter would like something like that happening to 40k
>>337502781
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>>337503537
What was with the marines getting trashed in the trailer?
>>337466478
Slaanesh can probably make you perceive things in 2D and make you live out your perverted 2D fantasies. Xir is a fucking Chaos God.
I prefer the Dawn of War 2 trailer over this one. For some reason this trailer looks so cartoonish.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTjyO_FncE4
>>337498757
>Barracuda
>"new"
>"anti-titan"
The Barracuda has been around since forever; my brother bought one over five years ago. It's also clearly not an anti-titan fighter because it carries the same railgun/ion cannon as the Hammerhead, unless you want to class the standard tank of the Tau as 'anti-titan' too.
>>337502781
I want to pound that Banshee.
>>337503993
marines arent invincible
>>337504132
Cartoonish or not the Blood Ravens are masters of stupid trailers. They always behave with the tactical finesse of a lobotomized ork in them.
Where are the Lizardmen in 40k?
>>337503993
the marines are always fucking everyone up in ever iteration of 40k ever ever so i guess you could say they were being creative.
>>337503993
>What was with the marines getting trashed in the trailer?
Relic has some kind of fucked up fetish that involves the space marines getting slaughtered by vastly inferior enemies in every cinematic they make.
>>337504571
Well considering how Relic are germanboos and the Spess mahrins are USA USA USA it makes sense.
>>337503226
Back when I started playing Dawn of War, which was my introduction to 40K, I thought the Eldar was a race that only consisted of women.
>>337504704
>>337504571
what the fuck are you retards even talking about?
>>337504571
>DoW1
Space Marines with a Predator and Dreadnought getting rekt by regular Ork boyz
>DoW2
Space Marines and a Dreadnought getting rekt by Banshees, Warp Spider, Ranger and a Farseer
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