Do I play Underrail or Wasteland 2?
Which is the better game? Which is the better Fallout 2 sequel?
>>337378790
I didn't enjoy the combat in WL2 when it came out, there was next to no variety in combat skills and the AI was dumb as shit running into my bullets, I eventually dropped it.
It was a huge deal for me since there was LOTS of combat.
Did they fix it in the DC?
I highly enjoyed Underrail's combat however, played as melee cut-throat PSI guy.
Exploration was nice too, the lack of a map added to the experience since I was getting lost and started to draw my own map on a piece of paper.
They're both fine. Wasteland 2 for better writing, UnderRail for better start-to-middle combat. I say this because late game becomes boring as fuck.
Wasteland 2 suffers from stilted character progression while UnderRail has it in spades. If you're hoping for Fallout 2 levels of RP'ing though then you're shit out of luck. UnderRail is kinda like Diablo-lite in that regard.
Dunno about wasteland but underrail was really focused on combat and exploration. There's not a lot of dialogue or anything. It's also autistically difficult, there's no room to fuck around if you don't want your ass handed to you
>>337378790Age of Decadence
wasteland 2 is pretty crappy, neither are as good as fallout 2 but I would go for underrail instead
>>337382995
go away bad game
I enjoyed both, though I never finished Underrail
Otherwise you can always go with Divinity: OS for a good turn based RPG.
>>337378790
underrail is an incredibly fun and well-paced game until you get to the end-area and then it stops you dead in your tracks. at this point unless your build is picture-perfect you're better off starting the game from scratch and minmaxing as hard as your inner munchkin will let you. the story also follows the difficulty cliff and goes from a slowly escalating narrative about the tensions surrounding the communities and politics of the underrail, to E.Y.E-tier fucking mental turned up to 11. A good game if you're into a hardcore mindfuck that is also a hardcore assfuck. otherwise pass, you'll only be disappointed and frustrated.
>>337378790
Underrail.
>>337384018
>Bad game
Son, sit down on pappys lap her so he can tell you why you're wrong.
Age of Decadence has everything you need in a proper RPG. It has dialogue options out the ass for RPing, combat (Albeit hard to get used to) is actually very well done and has a pretty decent amount of depth when you start realizing how different weapons handle and how they will alter your strategy, not to mention the various moves they give you and how they interact with people in different types of armor. There are 9 factions, and about 15 different endings. You can literally switch sides at most points in the game if you feel like being a backstabbing traitor. Age of Decadence is one of the best old school RPG's on the market currently.
Now, to OP's question, they're both good games depending on what you're looking for. As people have said, Under is a lot more mechanically focused on adventure and combat, but W2 has more Roleplaying and dialogue. They're both good games, I would play them both.
>>337384018
>bad
absolute plebeian
>>337384736
C&C is not a requirement for RPGs but is nice to have when it's well done.
>>337379938
Having played DC, it's a lot more palatable thanks to some UI improvements. There's still a LOT of combat though.
>>337378790
Wasteland 2 is extremely janky OP, from its graphics to gameplay to story, but it's got its charm in places. It was just interesting enough to carry me through its 50 hour campaign. Its no classic though.
>>337378790
Both.
Underrail is better and a better Fallout 2 sequel. It's what Fallout 3 should have been.
>>337385019
That's a fair point, I suppose it boils down to what you're truly looking for in an RPG. I enjoy my choices coming back to bite me in the ass because it makes me wonder how things could have gone differently, and that makes me want to play again, but in a different way, with a different build. As such, when I do look for a good RPG I try to find ones that have choices and consequences as often as possible.
Wasteland 2 is fucking awful
>melee enemies have 9999999999999999999999999999 movement points
>run across the map and attack multiple times, kill two of your soldiers in one turn
I had to cheat to escape that glitched bullshit. Got to the next area and my sniper was hit in the head from across the map by a dude with a shitty pistol. Instantly killed. Fuck this game.
>>337378790
holy shit a thread mentioning underrail.
I personally preferred underrail. It was challenging the whole time and it always felt like an achievement when you finally got past an area/killed an enemy. The Story and lore behind underrail is also really good.
Wasteland 2 is pretty good, but much easier with a worse story and cringy voice-actors. Still a fun game though.
>>337385405
>holy shit a thread mentioning underrail.
We used to have them daily around the time of release.
Are any of them better than Fallout 2?
>>337385336
I agree with those 2 points.
Enemies can move way too much per turn and sniper rifles have laughtably short range.
>>337385603
Well underrail has better combat and arguably better exploration.
Fallout 2 fan here
Both games suck tbqh. Wasteland 2 skirts by only on its setting, but it lacks any and all character depth that Underrail has
>>337385478
good times
>>337385789
Ye
>>337385478
I start suffering from withdrawal whenever there's no good RPG threads on /v/ for more than a day.
Wasteland 2 has generally better writing and a lot of the jankyness and bugs that were present in it on launch I didn't notice in the Directors Cut. The combat is alright at first but it gets kind of stale. A lot of the areas aren't vertical enough to make the combat interesting. Still good enough to warrant playing.
Underrail has mediocre to awful writing but great character customization, good combat (until the end of the game), and is fun to explore. Its closer to Fallout 2 than Wasteland 2.
>>337386013
can you quantify why the writing is mediocre?
>>337386297
Not him, but I'd say Underrail's problem is that it lacks any and all charm that FO1/FO2 had. It's how I'd imagine Ulillillia would write an RPG
>>337386297
the stroycraft and worldbuilding itself is pretty good, but the actual dialogue and narration is verbose, littered with typos, mistranslations and awful choice in words.
>>337386297
The translation is not the greatest, lacks flavour as a result, as is purely functional in getting its point across. The setting is usually interesting enough to carry it, but the writing itself could often pass for machine translation.
Underrail dev is a pretty nice guy.
>>337386491
Games almost never make me laugh, but underrail pulled it off when I first talked to that one junk-salesman guy who wanders around from store to store in core city.
>>337386810
Fair enough. Underrail isn't bad, but it's just too bloodless for my tastes
>>337386719
Wow, what a swell guy.
>>337386810
That guy is actually the dev response to people who didn't like the trading system.
>>337386810
Can't believe I didn't snap up one of his dialogues
>>337386810
that was actually a rip on one guy from the forums. when styg introduced item weights and merchant limits, this same guy would complain about it in every thread, even threads that were completely unrelated. I'm actually surprised styg kept his cool and didn't tell him to fuck off.
>>337387058
>Principal Investigator Rick Sanchez.png
>>337378790
Underrail is an amazing game.
Also, I disagree with >>337384253. The final area's biggest problem is hardly that it's impossible for certain builds, it's basically the exact opposite. Literally any build can do that area without any issues whatsoever, and I mean it. Even if you maxed Persuasion/Intimidation/Mercantile every level that place is a cake walk. The final boss can be near impossible for a few builds, but most can pull it off pretty well even on the hardest difficulty.
>>337384253
The end-area was tweaked ages ago Anon, it's much more managable right now.
Crossbow builds still have some problems, but you can farm Deep Worms to make a fuck ton of corrosive acid bolts so it's not that bad.
>>337387264
DELETE THIS
>>337386978
Weird, I thought the writing was fantastic.
But I'm a slav, so that might explain it.
>>337387264
That's pretty much how my first encounter with the master went in fallout 1. I 2-shotted him with the turbo-plasma rifle.
>>337378790
neither, play age of decadence instead (also W2 a shit)
>>337385321
the fucking lore in that game makes my dick diamonds, going from merc to loremaster is a completely different game
I love this game so much.
>>337385316
This. You should play both because they're wildly different games, aside from the fact they're both CRPGs.
>shit game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftWRSvRbUV0
What is the best track and why is it Drop Zone?
>>337387869
Don't even get me started on the lore of it all. It took me a lot longer than I care to admit what the setting actually was, and how everything I had done affected it all. Playing through on a second, and even third character was completely different and let me see the world from new angles each time
So, I finished UR.Six is so fucking tsundere for you it's not even funny.
>Lesser men would have never been given this choice after such insolence. Consider yourself lucky.
So wait, the reason I'm not getting punished is because unlike "lesser men" I'm a fucking übermensch? And I should consider myslef lucky for escaping punishment thanks to my übermensch status? Thanks, I guess? Like, am I supposed to take this as anything but a compliment?
>>337388585
>tfw literalyl the whole fukcing ending is a cliffhanger
Underrail 2 whenWhat does that fucking medalion do
>>337388493
>Underrail OST by Josh Culler
>Culler
TCHORT IS EVOLUTION, BROTHER
>>337388523
I'd play the game if the developer wasn't such a fucking asshole.
"YOU DON'T PLAY MY GAME YOU'RE A RETARD NO QUESTIONS ASKED. END OF"
Seriously, Vince. You're just an asshole. Not buying or playing your shit game.
>>337388585
I wanted to impress him. I wish he'd appreciate my PSI talents.
>>337388735There is a secret ending no one found yet. Not even those who tried to data mine it. It's not there with the rest of the endings, at least. But it might not be related to anything important, or maybe Styg is fucking with us and the secret is a lie. Who knows.
>>337388861
Is he really like that? I've posted on the forums a few times, and all the responses I've ever gotten from the dev have been nice and upfront.
>>337388861
>developer is reading steam forums 24/7 and personally answers every question and problem players have
>asshole
you're the asshole desu
>>337388861
Last I checked Vince was pretty ok with critique as long as it was legit.
>>337385019
>roleplay options and incentives are not necesary for an RPG
good one m8.
>>337388861
Is this you?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/230070/discussions/0/371919771755660582/
I'm pretty sure wasteland 2 has a party system, which is generally a deal breaker for me. Any reason I should reconsider getting this game?
>>337388861
>He didn't play the FREE demo
it's ok dude, you can go play it right now and actually know what you are talking about.
>>337378790
Arcanum
>>337389683
It's easy to pirate
Do Underrail and Wasteland 2 show the same fucktarded accuracy as Shadowrun and XCOM? I.e. 98%, but missing four times in a row because it isn't really 98%
>>337389386
That is correct. Unless Wizardry and Dungeon Master are not RPGs.
>>337389932
Not really no.
I don't know what it was but I really just did not like the shadowrun games.
>>337389932
>I don't know what probability is
>>337389520
>there are only about 5 obtimal character builds if you want to survive some of the games non skipable combats
>laughting axeman.jpg
>>337378790
I don't know how long UnderRail is, but WL2 can easily take you 80 hours to finish if you do everything.
>>337388920
>enter combat and attack him
>Immune
>Immune
>Immune
>fugg let's run away
>Six teleports behind you
>Six used Third Eye
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
In that particular conversation though I actually ate like two dozens of Junkyard Surprises just to lower my Will because I wanted to fail that check. It didn't work. Funny how he acts all smug if you give up though.
>>337389932
not in Underrail
and in most cases you can increase your chances to hit by having guns with attachments and/or night vision googles
>>337389369
The only fault I can think of is that the game has only one "main quest"; which is true fo 99% of RPGs. But I know Vince will deliver in his next RPG.
>>337389932
>Do Underrail and Wasteland 2 show the same fucktarded accuracy as Shadowrun and XCOM?
I was waiting for this question.
Arcanum
80% off
$1.19
or you can just pirate it
so what's your excuse for wanting to play UnderRail or Wasteland 2 to get your post Fallout 2 fix?
https://www.gog.com/game/arcanum_of_steamworks_and_magick_obscura
>>337389520
this is why we can't have nice things
>>337390230
>The only fault I can think of is that the game has only one "main quest"
Eh, faction questlines can be considered to be "main" as well. They all end with the Temple anyways.
>>337387013
Is it possible to increase the font size in this game?
>>337390336
tried to play it, just can't get over the shitty gameplay
>>337390463
Yeah, I think it was added at one point.
>>337390421
>temple
and that's the problem, again it's the only major fault I can think of.
>>337390627
I mean, you can actually finish the game without ever going to the Temple in theGodending.
>>337390762
games/RPGs need more ending locations; I know it's hard but it's possible.
>stupid shit happens that ends with NPCs going on a massacre
>thisisfine.jpg
>main quest is now broken
>complain the game is impossible without a walkthrough
How the fuck do people like this even make it this far in the game? One would think Hopper catching, GMS, or at least Depot A would filter them out.
>>337390981
>The Burglar who started the Core City Civil War
>>337391169
Wanna bet he was Biocorp?
>>337390057
You're retarded, the problem is that the percentage shown isn't correct, because the game doesn't take into account the debuffs/buffs.
>>337390164
>>337390054
>>337390254
Great to know, thanks.
>>337391394
Everyone is Biocorp in Underrail.
>>337392098
Not the player character.
...or is he?
>finding the psi research lab for the first time
>seeing it filled with psionic projections of people gone insane from being semi-awake in cryotubes for 150 years
>having to sneak into the life preservation room and shut down their tubes, one by one.
>tfw i wasn't sure if they were thankful i was putting them out of their misery or absolutely terrified as i pulled the plug
>>337378790
WL2 is a solid 4/10. Only merit is an okay story, the rest ofthe game is janky with horrendous combat. Ugly as shit too, F2 honestly looks better, just style wise at least.
Underrail is pretty good. I actually ended up really liking the lack of a party. Lore is cool and story is pretty okay. But the game part is really fun, lots to explore, combat is good.
Aw shit, Copper Dreams KS is up.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1649838104/copper-dreams
Although I'm probably the only one who cares about this.
>>337392663
Nigga, one of them stands guard at the power switch. What do you think?
>>337392663
>>337393173
Those projections were not actually "them". They were just like any other dopplegangers.
The project was not succesful. You can read an entry in the residental building where a projection of one of the leading scientists made him peel his own skin from his entire body and kill himself.
>>337384253
The problem with the end area isn't difficulty but that it is just badly designed and overall retarded. Its an aimless treasure hunt with unintuitive shit like willingly allowing yourself to OD on spores to kill mushroom monster in high as fuck land.
>>337395171
>badly designed and overall retarded
pretty muchalso guess how you get the secret ending:^)
>>337394190
The pillars are somehow related to psionic projection, but it goes both ways.
That is, you can only learn Bilocation, that allows you to create a doppleganger for someone.
But Jookhela the rathound managed to learn how to project copies of herself from the pillars in the sewers.
There are three options here. Someone might have sic'ed a doppleganger on him, he learned Bilocation while working with the pillars and it fucked him in the ass, or what happened to him is not related to the pillars at all.
>B. Helting: I heard you had an incident there.
>W. Abdul: I don't know who spreads that rumor
>W. Abdul: rumor
>W. Abdul: But it wasn't our lab, it was the Mutagen Tanks.
>W. Abdul: It was in the Mutagen tanks.
>>337395551
Your map has a good number of mistakes.And you are wrong about the door. It cannot be opened. It's impossible.
>>337395171
> Its an aimless treasure hunt with unintuitive shit like willingly allowing yourself to OD on spores
I think styg was trying to work that 'point-and-click adventure' vibe in DC. there's a lot of inspect this, combine this with this, use this on this to get this to combine with this e.t.c
But i totally agree that it doesn't lend itself well to the game.
>>337396005
I loved every minute. Except the shrooms.
>>337395803
i drew it from memory, but there were a lot of blocks that connected to other blocks from literally every angle and it felt really dumb.also why the fuck would styg put the door there if it can't be opened? entry point for expansion pack?
>>337379938
>Did they fix it in the DC?
Kind of. They added a "target a body part" menu à la Fallout. It's also less fucked up in term of general mechanics and action point but could still be 10.000 times better. Fuck I'm actually kind of mad, because they could have just copy-pasted JA2 combat system and that would have been perfect.
>>337395551
>secret ending
Elaborate.
>>337396227Most likely. There is only one place that gets talked about a lot but we can't visit, the Tartarus Maximum Security Prison. So there's reason to believe that's where it goes. Might be something interesting there worthy of an expansion. I mean, aside from magma. Lots and lots of magma.
The one thing I can't stand is that Styg treats the faceless like his pet race that can do no wrong. The game just doesn't let you fuck them over in a meaningful way. The Cult WILL get fucked over by them and there is nothing you can do due to their infinite spawning bullshit. Plot armor out the ass.
Why is the walk speed in underrail so fucking slow. I mean fuck, exploration is the game's big selling point yet you're still forced to plod along at like you have a knee injury
>>337396627
> Might be something interesting there worthy of an expansion
I think there is a pretty good chance we will be able to meetGary, the leader of the Faceless
>>337396834
I hear this complaint a lot, but it's not slower than in any other isometric rpg. Weird that this is the only game where people complain so much.
Anyway, get a good tabi.
>>337396814
>Plot armor out the ass
Nah Anon, there is just lots of them.
They formed an entire united civilization while Thortists are just a small cult.
>>337393040
How was their last game?
>>337396834
cheat engine
Underrail all the way.
>>337396869
>Gary
You what? I feel like I'm missing a joke here.
But yeah, it *might* lead to their city. But I doubt it for the single reason that they could have cornered Cytosine Outpost if it was possible to come from that direction.
>>337396227
Eh, I've seen worse. See this? Now this was the fucking devil. Underrail was pretty mild with the backtracking compared to this nightmare.
>>337397870
I might have remembered his name wrong, but I remember his name was something silly. You can read about him in one of the computers in the residental.
>>337397141
Kind of clunky to be honest, but they had the right idea and it's definitely a game worth giving a shot. Very demanding, though. You can't really play it in quick sessions, you have to dedicate the time to sit down, take notes, and play through it in a matter of days.
I wanted to show you some screenhots of the gameplay, but I don't have it installed anymore and for whatever reason the log in button disappeared from GOG. Anyone knows what's up with that?
>>337398057
>I might have remembered his name wrong, but I remember his name was something silly.
Here's a hint. Fucking elevators, man.
>>337398542
Right, now I remember.
>>337398929
I remember it every fucking day when I enter one of these. It's been months, and I still go
>wait where have I seen this before?
every goddamn time. It's the kind of annoying shit that makes you want to strangle the writer even if it's a complete coincidence.
Semi-related question, what game should I play next on my laptop after I've finished Shadowrun: Dragonfall?
>BG2 (loved the first)
>finish Fallout 1, then go for the sequel (I wasn't completely sold on the hours I've played until now, but I heard Fallout 2 is better)
>Underrail
>Wasteland 2
>>337399192
In that order:
BG2
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
and either Wasteland/Underrail, I would go with Underrail
>>337399482
I second this. Make sure to get Ascension and Wheel of Prophecy for Throne of Bhaal.
Oddity or Classic XP system?
>>337400641
Definitely oddity if it's your first run.
Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout 2 sequel in terms of story.
Wasteland 2 is a sequel in terms of mechanics.
>>337399598
Also the fixpack
>>337400641
Oddity is more fun and better balanced.
Should I get this?
>>337401338
>>337399598
>modding your first playthrough
Get the fuck back to rebbit or wherever you came from.
>>337402572
>not using Ascension
Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>337402572
Ascension is how ToB was meant to be and was made by Gaider. There's no reason not to use it.
>>337402653
>modding your first playthrough
Great tips, bro! Upvoted.
>>337403010
So you are retarded
>>337403126
How mad are you, bro?
>>337402934
Well, ToB is not really worth playing, Ascension or not. And Ascension makes the final bossfight even more fucking tedious. As if it wasn't already bad enough vanilla.
>>337396547
There may or may not be a secret ending.
But you do not need to know that.
I can't progress any further in Underrail.
I made a knife/stealth build that worked fantastically at first. But now that I'm running into more robots and dudes in metal armor, I barely do any damage.
The only way I can win fights against them is abusing the fuck out of traps and grenades. Should I just reroll?
>>337405645
Nah, why would you? Your build doesn't have to be optimal against all kinds of enemies.
You could, for example, just sneak past them. Shouldn't be a problem. Bots tend to have pretty shit fov, and only a few have true sight.
how's Underrail compare to NEO Scavenger?
>>337400784
>>337401692
Cool thanks
This game sucks.
>best armor has a portrait
>you can see people wearing it all over the place
>BUT YOU CAN'T BUY IT FUCKING ANYWHERE
Hands down my biggest complaint with underrail.
>>337408686
Which armor?
>>337409575
The STALKER armor with the gas mask and the hood.
>>337403840
>not really worth playing
??
ToB is still good even if it is more linear than SoA. I enjoyed the encounters and Watcher's Keep was fun. Also git gud
>>337409749
Gas mask doesn't show on the character model? Huh.
