>I DONT NEED TO LEARN MATH, WHEN I GROW UP I WILL MAKE VIDEOGAMES.
Programming requires a lot of math?
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU NEED TO KNOW POLYSYNDENTION FOR, WE'RE CODING, NOT DOING MATH NIG
>>337180506
Yes.
Programming is almost entirely math based.
>>337180506
Anything meaningful requires a lot of math.
>>337180506
Basically, you use a lot of matrix and vectoring. It is not by accident that you call small codes an "algorithm"
I will NEVER, EVER understand people who want to get into programming but dislike mathrmatics.
>he fell for the making videogames meme
ahahaah
i realized the kids who were good at math were on adderall or some prescribed amphetamine. im talking about the white kids only. any little thing, they get a prescription for.
wish i had that shit growing up, i wouldve been on the honor roll too. my parents just thought i needed to pay attention more or something.
>>337180914
we didnt know.
>>337180996
I had no medication of any kind and I did great at math. We're not all mentally ill like you are.
>>337180506
no, unless you're in research or graphics
I just wanted to be a play tester.
>get to play vidya early
>talk as much shit as you want
>make biased choices on what's good
>help fix good games
>serious devs takes your words more important than anyone else's
Can i be a director instead?
>muh STEM
>>337181385
thats called beta release or kickstarter demo now.
>Women in STEM
>>337181226
you must be a nip then.
>We're not all mentally ill like you are.
white people are all mentally ill. i can prove it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-whites-more-likely-to-get-antidepressant-prescription-than-african-americans-hispanics/
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582403/
>>337181537
>return 5;
>it always returns 5
how do i get good at math?
>>337181385
>Make shit pay
>Spend hours to whole days playing alpha demos of shovelware games trying to make glitches happen so you can write a report
I've only heard shit things about being a tester
>>337181607
Stop being dumb
>>337181607
Get a math book.
Force yourself to read it.
Keep doing it without getting frustrated.
In a few years you'll get it
>>337181607
have smart parents, inherit their IQ
>>337181607
Not being a dumb frog poster for starters.
>>337181537
>Q_rsqrt()
i knew this was gonna be the left side
>>337181714
>american education sistem.
>>337181607
practice
>>337181801
>sistem
>>337181607
You can do it anon! You are a human and that means you have a brain! Keep doing math until you die and you will be smartish!
Well there's lots of things you can do to make video games that don't require coding, like modelling, texturing, art in general, writing, composing etc. Any indian kid can code the real talent is the creative process.
>>337181607
repetition. that's why all asians are good at math
>>337181573
White girls need their XanaX
I don't need to learn anything because I am content with being ignorant. Smart people are statistically more depressed and unhappy with their lives
>>337181537
Was the person who posted this trying to roast women programmers or do they just not know?
>>337181801
>sistem
oh the ironing
>>337180021
This is why I am going to be a lawyer, Its going to be alot of fucking reading but at least no math
>>337181801
>sistem
>>337181537
> no //what the fuck? comment
>>337181607
Take 36 miligrams of methylphenidate every fucking day on mornings for a year.
I literally would have become a drop out retard if it wasn't for the sweet meds
>>337181537
Can someone explain this to a non-coder
>>337180506
Not really except for specific fields. It's more logic than anything.
My biggest regret in life is probably having too many friends, as well all know mathematical ability is inversely proportional to social skills.
At least you can charm or schmooze your way into decent jobs.
>>337182007
they're completely unrelated snippets and the right side has unnecessary bullshit despite being a simple comparison program
>>337181602
sometimes it returns b wtf are you talking about
>>337181537
this is satire right?
>>337181801
sistem
>>337182007
The code on the left is actually simpler and the code on the right does not actually work if b is greater then a since it will only give off 5.
>>337181607
Literally all i do is pay attention in class and do the homework and i make high A's on every exam. Currently in calculus 2.
>>337181801
>>337181854
>>337181931
>>337181946
in my defence i was pretending to be retarded.
>>337182007
i think the one on the left is a way to calculate square roots quickly. theres a wikipedia article on that code segment. Im not a coder but thats what someone said in a thread before
the one on the right tells you if number A is less than number B
>>337182007
>>337182081
The 'female' code doesn't work at all how described. All the women think that code is so much better than the 'male' code
>>337180914
I gave up the same time I started falling behind in math. It was just a childhood dream of mine to make my own fighting game, but I fell off super hard once I hit algebra. I still want to make something, but that would require me to go back to 7th grade math and learn forward from there. Guess some dreams are better left as such.It hurts.
Learning math is basically an endless cycle of hitting walls, then coming to realizations.
Just when whatever you practiced finally clicks, the next chapter comes in and pushes you back down.
>>337180741
>anything meaningful requires math
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>337181607
every two to three pages of a textbook theres something new.
go do it
>>337182147
>needing to reply
why are you so insecure
>>337181573
Stay mad nigger.
>>337182282
it was proven using math
>>337181801
That's bait.
>>337182007
>>337182220
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
>>337180914
its mostly logic and its easer to understand than some "obscure" simbols and formulas
>>337181385
>get to play vidya
nope
What's the highest level of math I should know? I'm comfortable with algebra, trigonometry, and Calculus I.
>>337182326
childhood and adolescence problems.
>>337180741
>Studying nanoeletronics and taking signal processing classes
This so fucking much!
>>337182110
i thought not looking at the image but the comments solidifed it for me
>>337181681
>>337181714
>>337181732
>>337181756
>>337181848
>>337181880
>>337181904
>>337181980
>>337182136
>>337182284
But where exactly would be a good starting place to get into the harder stuff?
>>337182225
It's never too late to start, anon. If you want to accomplish your dream, work towards it.
>>337180021
Coming from someone making a 3d game right now...
I'm basically only using timers (like seconds), points (x,y,z), 360 degree angles, and very basic PEMDAS.
I can easily get by with that.
>>337182307
>that IDE
>>337182136
You probably had a good foundation to begin with, good on you though.
>>337182007
The one on the left does god knows what, the one on the right just returns the larger of two numbers but it has two weird mistakes:
>else if(a > b && b < a)
This returns "true" if a is more than b and b is less than a, and that's stupid because if one is true then obviously the other is true.
>return 5
This will only happen if the two numbers are exactly the same size, when what should be returned is either a or b.
The best way to write the code would be:
if(a < b) return b;
else return a
All her code compressed into two lines, AND it returns the correct result if the two numbers are the same size.
>tfw you realize school is more about who is the best at being obedient and has better memorization
>application of knowledge and critical thinking is punished
>tfw you have neither
>>337182502
University
>>337182307
>coding in the master branch
>Tfw my daughter's son told me this
>>337180626
No it doesn't. I'm shit at math but great at programming. Unless you're trying to program something for a mathematical or scientific application math isn't something you need to excel at (of course assuming you're good up to college level math otherwise you'd be right).
>tfw you were young and it looked so bright
>tfw as you aged and it all started changing
>tfw you start losing your friends
>tfw you should probably an hero
>tfwromerotells you we need to go back
>Son, why aren't you studying? you just keep on playing yer vidya gaeims
>I don't need school dad I will work wherever I want don't worry seriously
>>337182502
Khan Academy probably
>>337182327
time for your lexipro, girl.
>>337181573
We're not as poor as you nigs
>>337182662
>my daughter's son
cuck
>>337180741
meaningful to whose standards?
And no, programming is a language, hasn't got anything to do with math.
>>337182668
what languages famalam?
>>337181385
playtesting is not what it used to be in the 90s/00s
Anybody can sign up and you receive "gifts" for particiaption, much like participating in surveys or product testing.
I did playtesting at redstorm and the options were one of their games for free or $25 for a 3hr playtest.
I was an extra so I basically toured the facility and walked home with RB6:Siege without doing shit except calibrating an Oculus.
>>337182726
At least he's playing games and not shitposting or desperately clamoring for attention through social media
I just wanted to be 88 fingers edward
>>337180506
there's much more to making video games than programming
I am an animator and I need to know zero math
pro tip, this board is not for people who make video games aside from the occasional dev generals/how's that game coming along threads, aside from that its a large collection of man babies who shitpost at each other about something they like instead of doing the thing they like
most people here who've at point thought they had the motivation and drive to make a video game have probably downloaded blender and unity, watched up to part 2/50 of a tutorial then dropped everything because it was too hard
>>337182282
He's one of those memers who says something like "the entire universe can be reduced to nothing but numerical values, so math is the key to everything!". Typical math major. All humans are born knowing how to use logic, which is basically an abstract form of mathematics. You don't need to know calculus to run a country.
>>337182502
in order to learn math (or anything really) you need to figure out what specifically you dont understand and find something to explain it perfectly to you
>>337182596
Why does school forbid you from looking at your material during a test when in real life you can look up anything at anytime?
>>337182307
I've only ever used HTML(lel) and Java. What's going on here?
>>337182502
You're still frog posting you piece of shit
>>337182502
Brush up on trig and precal stuff
https://www.khanacademy.org/math
can do the basic calculus stuff there too.
then for more advanced stuff
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/
I volunteer as a GED math tutor, and I am astounded at how much stuff people just don't get. They don't understand that x+(-y) = x-y. They don't understand that a fraction is just division that you haven't done yet. They have no idea how to solve a dimensional analysis problem.
The average math-illiterate's method for solving a word problem is to find the first two numbers mentioned in the problem and just multiply them together.
>>337182508
Yeah, but where the fuck would I go to re-learn algebra and everything from there forward? I don't even remember what levels of math I took afterwards. It was all just a blur of letters, numbers, and countless hours of tutoring just so I could barely pass my math classes.
>>337180021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ani_6IRV20A
>it's a "code which makes you want to suicide" episode
>>337182928
why cant anyone google how to do all the responsibilities of X job without graduating at Y university with Z degree
>>337182928
because the point of school isn't so much to make you memorize shit its to train you to use your fucking brain in a general sense
memorization is part of using your brain
>>337182995
The Internet
Khan Academy
>>337182928
the point of school is to fill your head with common knowledge so you dont have to waste time googling basic things
>>337182136
where do you volunteer at?
>>337182995
khan academy is actually a good resource for this
>>337182813
>programming is a language
>>337182935
The person is just using the terminal to change directories repeatedly. They're repeatedly mistyping (missing the space between cd and ..) and seemingly unable to find the directory 'code'.
>>337181607
You have to develop an innate passion for Math.
I used to hate Math, took Medicine as a sort of preconstructed career path back in High School, but took Engineering in College. Almost stopped out because the Math was intense. I took my time and actually read through concepts, had some math-savvy friends help me along the way and I realized it isn't that bad after all, so I continued progress and I legitimately liked what I was studying.
I will never get people who hate math related courses because it's "hard." You just need to understand underlying concepts and principles and do some drills and it will stick with you for a long time. Compare it to other courses that people take to avoid math like Law and Medicine which I think are way more troublesome because of the sheer volume of knowledge you have to consistently drill in your head for hours on end.
Lucky for you there are YouTube channels like Khan Academy and PatrickJMT to teach college level algebra and calculus in easily digestible videos, back then you really had to dig in books
>>337183128
that structure is hella ugly T.B.HONESTO
I remember my early codes. They were ugly but not this bad.
>>337182995
I have a thing.
Don't know how valid it is though.
>>337182967
I went to classes to touch up on math before my GED test and this is 100% accurate. I felt really sorry for the tards in those classes because there is no way in hell they could pass that test.
>>337182462
If you don't use it immediately after college you're going to forget all of it in a year anyways
>>337181537
They're both shit and totally unrelated.
Karlie is actually great at commenting her code.
>>337182995
Head first Algebra.
>>337182784
according to those statistics whites make up half if not most of the health care customers. therefore the need for cheaper healthcare is because whites cant continue to afford it.
>>337182132
>if b is greater then
>then
How can somebody that knows code not understand then and than?
It's really hard to do well in college level math if you've had a shit foundation. I realized how fucking behind I was when I got to my first college algebra class last semester. It's also kind of demoralizing.
>>337181537
>it is a hacker code to steal nudes
>>337182967 meant >>337183214
>>337182928
>>337183147
You know the funny thing is that the people that say that are the same people that like pic related.
God I hate the internet so much.
How hard would it be to learn AI programming, and what math subjects would that require?
I get that "AI" is a really broad term and could describe a lot of things, but for example, in a 3D game getting the AI to react to the player and give chase, and once they've lost the player, go into a search state and eventually resume as normal.
Not looking to jump right into the super complex shit immediately, I know you start as small as possible and then gradually build up. Just wanna know what I'm getting into with later shit.
>>337181537
why doesnt the right one work?
>>337182007
A bunch of retards ITT think that documenting and commenting your code is bad practise.
>>337183128
I taught myself out of a For Dummies book, and not even my shit looked like that.
>>337182935
She's just doing the command prompt equivalent of looking through your folders on in a file explorer and calling it coding
>>337182967
As someone who is just above functionally retarded when it comes to math and science, it was honestly a matter of the teachers I had and the way they taught things. I remember taking Physics and it wasn't until near the very end of the semester that it "clicked" with me that you treat every problem as a puzzle. You do certain things first that translate into equations and slowly piece them together. If someone would have just said that at the beginning, I wouldn't have had any trouble to begin with. People that can simplify it like you do are a gift to a world full of idiots like me, and I thank you for it.
>>337183459
It works. It's just dumb.
Is the American public education system this bad?
>>337183396
A little nonprofit org started last year. They were paying me until funding ran out last month. Two of my students have graduated, and I'm still volunteering with a third.
>>337181537
These are two completely different functions, right?
>>337183229
>>337182813
computer code is a language. the reason its so arbitrary is because to conserve space and because the developers didn't want "others" to get ahead of the game.
>>337183420
>How to write a resume
>What taxes are/how to do them
>How to vote
You do learn that shit in primary/high school though
>>337183543
Does it feel good knowing you helped them better themselves?
Honestly asking
>>337182967
I barely remembered anything from school
Doesn't (-y) just mean 1*-y?
>>337183654
Not in most public American HS
>>337182251
Its just humans trying to be calculators, no emotional bullshit, but one that can reason the whole process and result, like you can't have negative apples but you can be deeply in debt with your bank.
Humans can understand abstract concepts as zero and infinity.
>>337183497
XD and :D are not efficient uses of text.
>>337183654
But that isn't the point. Those people boast about how literally any information is a google search away, yet complain that school never taught them anything.
>>337182927
Best answer. Learn basic calculus OP (limits, derivatives and integrals), it's really useful when learning physics and other subjects.
>>337183654
Most schools don't teach that. At least mine didn't
>>337182132
>the right does not actually work if b is greater then a since it will only give off 5
Why? It looks like it'll return b to me.
>>337183420
he took shit classes prob
photography or something
>>337182928
google "How to do open heart surgery" and see how far you get
>>337183420
>>337183565
Programming is just instructions given to a computer. Instructions are one-way. Language is two-way. Exactly how many programming "languages" do you know?
>>337183420
My school wrote our resumes with us, and the soc studies teacher brought in forms to sign up to vote. And while necessary, none of these things are exceptionally difficult and can't be solved by simply asking whoever runs them.
I want to get into marine mechanics, what kind of math should I expect to be doing?
>>337183420
I was taught some of that in my Freshman year of high school. I think every student has to learn personal finance in New Jersey.
Totally forgot about it all a year later of course.
>>337183420
my school didnt help me with that shit
neither did my parents
i had to learn the hard way
>>337180741
Medicine barely requires math, and you can't deny it's meaningful.
>>337183657
Yeah usually it does. It gets frustrating when I don't feel that I'm making progress, though.
>>337183708
The parenthesis are just there for clarity, because "x+-y" looks weird.
>>337182928
I don't really agree with what you're saying per say but school as a whole is actually just designed to make you a slave for the Collective.
>>337183910
Ask a marine mechanic.
>>337183850
Are you that stupid? The point isn't that you can learn anything with a google search, it's that school forbids you from searching anything at all.
>>337183420
>How to buy a car or house
I still don't know how to do this and since there are jews EVERYWHERE and I have autism, I don't know what information is bullshit or low tier and what will min/max my finances
Someone make a video game where you have to finance a house without falling victim to scammers and get the best deal
>>337182924
>All humans are born knowing how to use logic
Then explain tumblr
How many of you have real job experience it gets old hearing ambitious faggots parroting the same old internet rhetoric
>>337180506
Yes, although it doesn't require specific knowledge of calculus or advanced algebra.
>>337183535
It's far worse -- you wouldn't learn half the shit on this board in a typical American high school. It literally is not required. Algebra 2 is the highest math required when I graduated; I heard some people got out with just feometry that's fucking pathetic.
Alg2 is just polynomials and 2x2 and 3x3 matrices really.
>>337183420
those are all basic adult responsibilities even a thirteen year old could figure out.
also, I tried burying my XYZ post in a few layers of irony
kill me
>>337180741
uneducated opinion or bait
>>337180021
For someone who pretty much got bullied out of school and never had the confidence to properly learn math, are there any online resources/books/courses you could recommend?
>>337184174
why is calculus 100x easier to understand in code than in the stupid whatever the fuck bizarre math notation they use?
are they trying to make it more confusing for no reason?
>>337184157
They were born knowing how to use logic but have chosen to ignore it.
>I DON'T NEED TO LEARN MUSIC THEORY, WHEN I GROW UP I WILL MAKE MUSIC
>>337183798
Better than implementing a fast inverse square root and commenting it with '//what the fuck?' or just nothing in this case
>>337182621
I manage to fuck things up whenever I try to branch and merge in git.
>>337184226
I literally only took algebra classes (4 semesters) in 4 years of HS. It's a joke, and it hurt me coming into college, they expected me to know shit I was never taught.
Protip: For a standard project you can pick up any math skills you need on the spot over the afternoon for any specific task-if you cant figure it out you can probably google it or look at another game and see how somebody else did it.
Its more logic based then anything else, if you cant handle numbers at all ( For example, not wanting to play a RPG since you don't like optimising your numbers. ) then you should not be in game design.
>>337182924
math is a fabrication by humans and is used as a language of approximation describing the universe.
math is actually the least real thing there is.
>>337183447
basic AI programming only requires you to know anything you need to program in the first place, that is, logic and Boolean algebra
AI in games is mostly just bunch of states and functions executed at specific state values
to control what an object does with these functions requires more math than this
the hardest part is to think about what should your AI do (shoot when close enough? when it sees a target? combination of both? should it run at low health or go frenzy?), constructing an AI doesn't have much to do with math, implementation of behaviour (for example, movement in 3D space, searching for target) requires much more knowledge than that
>>337183543
how many were old people and how many were young adults/teens?
>>337184317
Doesn't sound very logical.
>>337183447
If you want to do simple flow-charts for game AI, you can learn it quite easily. If you want to get into the academic field of AI (machine learning, vision, natural language processing etc.), that requires a lot of study.ML is actually not that bad if you understand statistics tbqhfam
>>337184260
Khan Academy is probably the best free online basic math education you can get.
>>337184576
Mine have all been adults. 30s-60s range.
>>337184421
m8 that's your fault unless you went to a really shitty school. I lived in a small town in the south and I took classes all the way to calculus 1 in high school. My graduating class was less than 100 people.
>>337182818
C and assembly. I can do a little bit of C++, but I steer away from bloated and slow OOP shit that it tends to be. I can also do Python (kek as if that means anything) and a little bit of Java.
>>337182967
>They don't understand that x+(-y) = x-y
How do these people function? Math isn't that hard to understand. You can't get through life without knowing this stuff.
>>337180506
Not when you're the ideas guy
>>337184631
Thanks!
>>337184143
>How to buy a car
you can probably buy a car without saying a word, just wave your cash and point at a car.
or buy from the owner like a smart person
>>337184505
>>337184620
Thanks for the information.
>>337181607
>I am bad at math
Math is broad as fuck thing. Be more specific.
>>337184648
My school had a graduation rate of like 40 something percent, with a body of like 3000, it's that bad.
How is it my fault? I was given the class, and I took it. How was 15 year old me supposed to have the foresight I will need more than just Algebra when I was following when the school told me to do?
>>337184710
You sound like a huge fucking fedora.
>>337181537
return a>b?a:b;
>>337180506
Yes, although you don't really need specific knowledge of calculus, trigonometry, or advanced algebra. You need the logic skills, and you need to know boolean algebra. The problem is that those logical skill won't be that sharp if you were always horrible at traditional math subjects.
>>337181537
>else if(a > b && b < a)
>comparing it to motherfucking Fast Inverse Square Root
Fuck whoever wrote this
Fuck them to death
Yes I mad
Is it really that difficult to make a programming language based on actual language and very rudimentary math?
>Work at a big gaming studio doing 3D models and such.
>Never used math once ever at work.
Math is le important for everything guys.
Programming doesn't actually require you to do math, it just requires you to know how to write a math sentence.
>>337184965
/g/ made a programming language out of emojis, so I guess anything's possible.
>>337184421
>not taking algebra in elementary school
>pursuing biological engineering degree
>ask a girl what her major is
>I'm learning business management (every person I've ever met with a management degree is blatantly retarded)
>she asks what I'm studying, and I tell her
>"Oh, wow! that must mean you're really smart, huh?"
I fucking HATE women
>>337182956
shut up anon i just want to be smart and feel proud of myself for once in my life.
>>337185063
I'm sure it couldn't do much
>>337184965
ren'py is probably the closest you'd get right now.
>>337180021
You dont need to go that far in math, its easy, unless you are some type of fuck up who can't even pass pre-calc.
>>337185090
hope you like dicks then
>>337184912
If it was anything like my high school, you were only required to take math up to like algebra 2 or pre-cal, but there were also AP and dual credit classes like calculus, trig, and statistics you could take that were supposed to prepare you for college.
>>337185090
She wants your dick, you uncultured swine
>>337184636
I had it be pretty even. I also had quite a few pretty girls that were dumb as bricks. guys too.
>>337184873
FINANCE a car. If I had fat stacks of money laying around it would be no problem. But I need a car to get to work and I need to work to get money for a car.
APR, how to get a loan, credit factors, whether I get the loan first or go to a dealership and apply there, how to get the lowest monthly payment without making the pay period too long, etc
>>337182923
I know how to use blender fairly decently I just don't have any motivation to do anything period in my life.
>math class in home school
>stare at the page and get so angry at the words and shapes that my pee pee starts to throb and hurt
>start throwing my arms around and making pig noises
>mommy rushes in and pets my tum-tum and says no more math for today
whether you:
claim to be better than everyone for being good at math
claim to hate the education system because they made you learn math
or
claim to hate the education system because they dont teach math the way you think is best
you are abominable and should reevaluate your importance to this world.
if you want to learn new math, then you are actually a good person in this thread. thank you for making this not a complete and utter circlejerk.
fuck all else of you. you are stating obvious truths and simplicities without proposing rational solutions, or giving any valid reasoning. it's just disgusting. this is the type of person i have to deal with all of the time in the math world. fucking autists who see everything in facts and find no interest in making meaningful conversation.
>>337184965
Try learning python. Most of what you'll use at a beginner level is basic math skills, general algebra, and boolean algebra(sounds intimidating but its not that hard to pick up what you need to know). The rest is general logic.
>>337184327
But you can make music without knowing theory. A lot of people do it every day because you can literally make music "by ear." No matter what instrument you play or move to the notes and octaves, give or take a few for some unique instruments, stay the same. It's just a matter of execution at that point. You can't just wing it with math and apply the exact same rules for Algebra as you would with Geometry just because they both share numbers or letters.
>>337184932
"?" is a tertiary operator.
condition ? true : false
Check if a > b.
Yes? Return a.
No? Return b.
>>337185226
Basically the school's objective was to graduate as many students as possible, quality not considered.
THis was from a recent year, a GOOD year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
>no matter how much I sleep I cantstudy/focus
Wake me up inside te-b-h familia
>>337185406
Ok tumblr
Back to your containment cage to write about the joy of nigger dicks now
>>337185496
ternary, not tertiary
>>337185025
you're doing art, idiot.
if you did any engineering 3d modeling, which I do, you would use at least some math.
if you worked on any MEANINGFUL part of a game, you would use math.
>>337185515
You're probably sleeping too much.
>>337185406
What do you define as math? What should I learn to meet your standards?
I don't want to learn the equation for what makes a flower grow at a specific angle due to the peer pressure from gravity relative to the cuck size of the moon. I don't see any practical use in that.
>>337185110
Depends on what the highest level math you took was. I took a couple years off after high school and am currently doing a math-based major at university. I studied up to a pre-calc level before starting classes, because anything lower than that doesn't count towards any degree.
I recommend Tobey and Slater algebra to get you up to a pre-calc level. For pre-calc and trigonometry, I recommend Swokowski. For calculus I used Stewart Calculus, but it was difficult to understand, and I wouldn't recommend using that without an instructor. you can torrent most of these books or get them for very cheap (except calc+, even used books tend to be expensive then) off amazon. like $10 cheap.
>>337184710
>but I steer away from bloated and slow OOP shit that it tends to be. I can also do Python (kek as if that means anything) and a little bit of Java.
This sounds like 90% of /g/, aka "I've never actually written software for a living"
Language purism is misguided as fuck.
>>337183351
Im on the verge of retardation
>>337185362
>I just don't have any motivation to do anything period in my life.
This. Sex/family isn't a motivator. Money isn't really a motivator beyond a basic 40k/year. And I'm not passionate about anything but like to dip casually into everything. Just feels like I thought life was going to be something else and now I'm just waiting to die without wanting to kill myself and without wanting to know death either.
>>337185226
TFW your diagnosed math disability ensured you would never take a math course in 6 years of college.
>>337185534
>response is another meme
this thread is the embodiment of autism. i should just go back to /int/ and never leave. at least i can enjoy the memes there, they're more creative.
>People actually think that making games is only programming.
If you didn't know, it's only the programming part of making games that requires any math, all the more important and other stuff like 3D modeling and such requires zero math knowledge.
>>337185025
>>Work at a big gaming studio doing 3D models and such.
Oh yeah, 3d models and such.
Is that your official job description, fella? Are there some days where some other people handle the 3D models and you're just in charge of the 'and such'?
>>337185515
That's because you never learned properly while you were still growing.
>he fell for the programming meme
>>337180021
This was me and I managed to graduate! Took me 5 years but I did it. I was fine with the discrete mathematics but they totally neglect to tell you that you are doing like 75% of the coursework as if you majored in Mathematics. (most of my CS buds graduated with degrees in Mathematics as well)
>>337185505
that sucks anon. I'm the anon you're replying to and I lived in Texas, which is supposed to have a reputation for shitty education or something. Your state must be even worse or your school just didn't give a fuck.
>>337185461
>you can make music without knowing theory
Which is why there is so much shit music.
>in 300 level classes at uni
>still get people saying they just want to make video games with their degrees
Do these people seriously never grow up?
>tfw starting to love math again since I began Accounting
>tfw not sure if I want to do communications or some math related degree now
FUCK
>Need to know calculus just to code
The fuck man
>>337185783
>thinking people will actually go in depths describing his job.
>>337180914
I enjoy logic puzzles but hate stupid theoretical mathematics. fucking fight me.
>>337185620
just dont be self righteous about being good at / being bad at / thinking you know how to teach math
i don't care whether you learn it or not
but there's an objective good WHENEVER someone says "im bad at this thing, i want to be better" whether it's math, art, music, or anything.
I love discrete mathematics and symbolic logic. Even if you don't think you're a fan of math try those classes at least.
>>337184327
toby fox made a GOAT soundtrack for his meme game and the fucker doesn't know music theory
>>337185790
what meme friend
>>337184313
>are they trying to make it more confusing for no reason?
Yes
Computer science major at my university required a shitton of math classes, way more than other school as I found out later once I actually got a job. I've never needed to dip into anything beyond Calc I in my career besides that time I made a Turing Machine simulator.
>>337185842
They closed the school down like last year, and split it up into like 3 smaller ones.
>>337182225
>>337182995
programming a 2D fighting game requires no math taught past middle school
>>337185857
>tfw junior in college, CS major
>find programming classes really easy but kind of boring
>don't even know what I want to do with my degree when I graduate and when asked i just say "programming"
>>337185779
>all the more important and other stuff like 3D modeling and such requires zero math knowledge.
Sufficiently advanced art becomes mathematical as well. 90% of the most famous paintings are composed around the fibonacci sequence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio#Painting
>>337185865
I only took financial accounting so far and it isn't really a lot of math. Its more so business logic when it comes to credits and debits for a ledger.
Does it get more math intense than fucking ratios and adding and subtracting?
>>337185853
When the common man can get his hands on the tools of his practiced, trained superiors, that will always become the case for any art or medium.
I don't want to be a programmer, but I want to work with computers, like IT or some shit.
Should I get an IT degree, or man up and do CS?
>>337185974
if you compare toby foxes' pixel shit to the artistry of people who made music theory what it is today, you can only see a pile of heaping trash next to some absolutely exquisite ART.
Not some stupid video game background music.
You're blinded by the nostalgia that the music introduces. I used to love it. Came to realize it was c tier when i went back to music i liked.
>>337186040
Better than me, anon. I just reply "science". I'm going for a bio degree, and originally intended to go to med school, but after 3 years I'm not feeling up to it anymore. I'll get stuck teaching for shit pay or doing research for $30,000 a year if I'm lucky.
>>337185515
>no matter how much or how little I sleep I never feel rested
I'm ready to die now
>>337185865
>Accounting
Well, I have bad and good news for you
The bad news is that your job is going to be automated within ~5 years
The good news is you'll probably get basic income when accountants, and their families, throw an everloving shitfest once their jobs get automated.
>>337185962
In my first year at university, I took Symbolic Logic, not understanding what a 400-level class meant difficulty wise.
I dropped that pretty quickly. A year later, I took Discrete Math and loved it.
>>337185882
Honestly the quickest way to understand code is to mod.
I learned a lot from reprogramming the Barbarians in "Civilization". I taught them to be more cautious.
>>337180996
Math and biology was easy and fun. However I suck at English. I really couldn't tell you what an adjective or a noun is.
>Use Wolfram alpha
>Math is suddenly not hard
>>337184920
And you sound a little salty.
>>337185649
Kek if you've ever done any sort of low level programming, you'd notice just how bloated OOP shit can be.
>B-But muh C++
It's good for certain applications, but that's it. It's not a holy grail of programming languages.
>>337180021
>I'm gonna be an ideas guy
>having a job
>2016
Thank you guys so much for destroying your bodies and souls working 9-5 so I can use your tax money to buy new daki covers of my waifu.
>>337180741
Tell that to the guy that paved your driveway
>>337186103To be honest I'm not sure myself, I'm just worried about trying out Quickbooks in my next course.
>>337186278
Fuck, I might as well stick with communications then.
Still I do like learning about all this stuff.
>>337186278
That's silly, anon. You can automate some things about accounting, but there's plenty that absolutely requires a human element.
math is one of the most worthless subjects to teach after middle school
I am never going to need to know how to get the area of a triangle in real life ever again outside of class
>>337186028
If that's the case, then I really wonder what steps I'd have to take to make my own fighting game. Thing is, I don't know shit about coding because I gave up on it because I didn't know anything about math. Now I hear talk about creators (like Skullgirls) and how they built their own "engine" and stuff like that. Even if I knew the math, I wouldn't know where to begin.
>>337186090
The fibonacci sequence itself isn't that important. Every series of numbers where x_n = x_(n-1) + x_(n-2) tends toward the golden ratio. It doesn't matter what numbers you start with.
>>337182924
>you don't need to know calculus to maintain an economy
>you don't need to know calculus to keep track of base logistics
>or government payrolls
>or census data
>or foreign business affairs
>or the simplest fucking things absolutely required for a country to run
All politicians should be math majors.
>>337186246
I kind of wish I would've just done IT or something, or something more hardware focused.
>>337186090
This seems like bullshit, they just put that graph over fucking random paintings. Math majors trying to dominate art.
>>337186103
Not particularly. Accounting is generally more about logic than math.
>mfw I didn't learn any programing language because my high school's program for it was garbage
>mfw finance major
>mfw I realize I should learn to program to help me get pertinent information that I want quickly and in a way that I can use easily
>mfw I've made a terrible mistake.
>>337185857
It means they have no idea where to even begin with a job but they know they like video games so that must be what they were meant to do
>LOL YOU READ?
>I HAVENT READ A BOOK SINCE THE 8th GRADE BRO, SPARK NOTES THAT SHIT SENPAI
>>337186215
IT = help desk, computer parts, installs, maintenance, designing things with existing technologies
CS = white boards, stack overflow, over 9000 years debugging/reading documentation/doing math, building your own solutions from scratch
>>337185515
Healthy 8-9 hours sleep in a stable rythm >> random 16 hours of sleep.
>>337186452
what the fuck, that's literally one of the only things I still use sometimes.
not necessarily the area part, but trig is extremely useful and I use it all the time.
>>337186503
most economics is just artificial complexity mazes designed to confuse people.
I'm not saying math isn't useful but running a country doesn't necessarily require anything more than just basic algebra. Maybe some basic calculus.
>>337186574
literally python
2h/day for 2 weeks and you're set
>>337182502
Discrete Math.
>>337186651
Isn't it bizzare when people are proud of their ignorance?
>Chapter 7.1: Introduction to concept
>Just imagine a simple plane S with domain R, area A, and variables x, y, and z
>Let's look at this one exceptional case of f(x, y, z) = xyz so that A = 1
>Now you should be able to solve for A when f(x, y, z) = xye^(xz+t) * 4y^2sin(9z^4+6pi) + x^6y^5z^4
>The answer is A = 3 you fucking moron, get your shit together
>that wonderful cozy feel when I'm going to be curled up in my chair watching anime and taking naps tomorrow while all the normies in this thread drag themselves out of bed to go work and pay for my autism bucks
>>337186503
don't most politicians have drones on their payroll to do that shit for them?
>tfw fell for the game design degree meme
>>337186215
there is no reason in 2016 to attend college for an IT career. every possible job has a more prestigious, shorter, cheaper and more mentally rewarding path. the only except is if you're going to a 2 year school where you aren't boarding for an AAS that graduates with mid level certs.
>>337186651
I know a guy that doesn't even take the time to watch movies so he just reads summaries online and pretends to know what people are talking about.
>>337186810
I'm sorry you're depressed, anon.
Math started becoming useless for daily life in college, prove me wrong
>Anon you have to fucking learn this calculus shit because you will be using it for the rest of your life !!!!!
>tfw learn it just for exams, then immediately forget everything about it
feels good
>>337186824
Getting a degree in any kind of creative endeavor is fucking stupid
You're paying thousands of dollars for another idea guy to force his ideas on you
>>337182668
Good luck optimizing your shit without knowing about stuff like Big O notation.
>>337186574
High school programming you can do in like a month, its not even a full semester worth of stuff to learn. Its basically just the easy programming examples from the first few chapters in any programming book.
>>337186810
>subhuman and proud of it
fell for the bait tho
>>337186921
What was that? I think I heard a wageslave underling addressing me.
>mfw had problems understanding why Planck came with the idea of quantization
>it's all good now but still find myself bamboozled that such concept exists
It becomes harder and harder to visualize physics
>mfw majoring in honours physics
>mfw vector calculus
learning math sucks, using math is great, however, and at the end of the day, those math classes are a necessary evil if you want to take the concepts they teach you and do anything interesting. Quantum mechaincs is dope shit but would be fucking impossible to take without vector calc.
>it's a STEM vs ARTS major thread
Why do you guys have to fight over everything?
Do you realize that this divide et impera bullshit is harming mankind more than anything?
Fucking stop.
>>337186907
I do that.with video games :^)
>>337187047
I know you're trying to troll, frogfriend, but I honestly just hope you feel better.
>>337186495
programming is not math
math is logical, programming is logical, programming some things requires mathmatical knowledge, 2D games is not one of them, if you can add, divide, multiply, use brackets, you can program
If you want to learn to program you can use a game development framework, for example Love2D allows you to make 2D games using the Lua language, it's free and there's tutorials for the language and the framework available online
That's all you need to begin, all you need is the attitude that you can do something instead of that you can't. If you give up when you reach an obstacle you'll never achieve anything
>>337183303
Karlie pls go.
>>337180741
Medicine fucker, my math has gotten so rusty it's embarrasing. Fuck, I don't think I remember how to logarithms.
I'm finally starting my first actual "work with computers" job in a few weeks. It's an internship working with databases and middleware at the local power company. I'm hella excited.
I don't think I'd ever want to try to make games for a living. A hit-driven career isn't for me. Video games were what got me interested in programming in the first place, but I just don't have the drive anymore.
>tfw never ever went to school and dumb as bricks and have a handful of mental illnesses but I'm a cute female and can get away with it
Feels so good. I would have killed myself by now if I was a male, sucks you all have to learn this shit when I can just marry rich and do jack shit.
>>337186428
Accounting is not going to be automated within 5 years. Think about it, do you really think people are going to go to some AI for accounting and tax advice?
Even if they did that AI cannot provide better human judgement than a CPA professional. AI is expected to automate some aspect of the accounting field however.
JUST
>>337187153
>it's a i didn't even read the thread before posting post
>>337186976
>Implying I don't
>Implying I don't optimize the shit code OOP compilers like shitting out
>>337187153
Don't go to /sci/, it's literally this, IQ dickmeasuring, and /pol/ asking for scientific confirmation of white supremacy.
>>337186907
I had a gf that would read plot summaries before going to movies because she didn't like surprises.
>>337180914
I always shyed away from programming because I hated math.
Never realized I was already programming making shitty custom games in starcraft 1's map editor except through a gui triggers.
Vast majority is logic. Let the computer do the maths.
>>337187252
You're lucky you figured that out before you threw many years of your life awaylike I did
>mfw people tell me STEM majors are hard when the majority of professors are forced to curve the fuck out of the grades
>>337187268
>t. crying landwhale
>>337187421
>implying you need scientific confirmation for that
>>337180506
No, unless you do linear regression or computer graphics or cryptography, but that last one is pretty wizard tier
Understanding logical mathematics and computational structures like set theory, probability etc though is extremely useful
>>337186407
>how much concrete do I need to use
>like 2 bags
>I had 3 before so that means I only got one
I have a college algebra final in a week
how do I not fail it?
I failed two times already
>He thinks he'll net a job in the STEM field after graduating
>>337187597
git gud
>>337186738
Well thank you friend. But I am not at all confident in my ability. I really should just bite the bullet and go for it though. I'm already known as "that guy who knows a lot about computers" just from one time I followed simple instructions online of how to rewrite bios to give me admin privileges after some dickhole locked the brand new computer in the reception area in retaliation to being fired. It'd be good to be able to have a real reason for people to think that I'm a computer wizard.
>>337186907
pretty sure that's 90% of people who discuss anything online
>>337187597
What kind of topics are covered at the college algebra level? Is it the same stuff as high school algebra?
>>337187486
I don't think there's a more relieving feeling in this world than getting a 17% on your physics exam and having it curved up to a 90
>>337187597
play more video games
>>337187523
>t. angry male who has to waste time studying
>>337187523
probably a slobfag too
>when the thicc meme goes way off
>>337187391
>heh i finally optimized this assembly code for bubble sort C++ produced
there are all sorts of optimization techniques, and there's no need to fix assembly code ever if your algorithms are sufficient enough
>>337187597
Set up your equations and solve for X, bro
Why stem vs art still exists when this book tells exactly why the fuck both should exist?
>>337184593
Well humans are also emotional creatures as well..
We ignore logic much of the time if our emotions overtake us (most humans are like this)
>>337187597
Khan Academy is by far the best math teacher I have ever had and probably wouldn't have graduated college without it.
As a statistics major I have it on good authority that 60% of the people in this thread will become fast food/service workers. Unfortunately I may be joining you there.
25 year old dropout here
I want to go back to school, but how the hell do you manage courses while working 50 hours a week? I'm stressed enough at my shitty job as it is (management)
Why is Java so fucking useless?
>>337187678
>mfw got a 40 on calc 2 final and A- in class because a 40 was the top 25% of scores
simply ebin
>>337180021
>math in school is literally just following instructions
>"jee golly math sure is hard"
>>337187793
It's still widely used for business software and servers.
>>337187678
Explain this.
>>337187790
You do online.
>>337184593
>>337184317
it's more that they use logic based on a collection of falsehoods, in their minds they are logically deducing the most sensible way to think about things, but that logic is based on a set of facts that are born from igorance and lack of education, just like most racists.
>>337187716
Because STEM fags like waving their dicks around because job security, dosh, and contribution to society.
Art fags like to complain about their lack of jobs, dosh, and contribution to society.
Meanwhile, technical school people are busy doing work
>>337182813
>meaningful to whose standards?
the racist, white male hegemony basically
>>337180914
It comes from taking a few programming classes and not yet seeing the relationship.
Math is a bitch, I clawed my way up to calc in college because I never paid attention in high school and am still pretty shit because seeing formalities relationships is difficult(Realizing some formulas overlap or represent the same thing, understanding what parts of a formula can and can not be manipulated) and it's hard to grasp any standard of rules when things tend to "cheat" because complex proofs have been established.
For example, the fact that you can cut chunks out of infinite series equations to do a comparison
I had a panic attack when the professor approached me and asked me what kind of series a problem was on a team test represented and literally put his finger over a single variable to reveal what it was closest to. I didn't understand, because there was no mathematical logic that could let you just ignore an entire part of the problem like that, but there is a massive proof for it so I guess I'm supposed to brush it under the rug and except that if I pretend certain portions of the series equation are ignored I have found the series it's related to.
>>337187790
You don't.
You suck it up for 4+ years until its done while trying not to drink yourself or shoot yourself.
>>337187883
Pragmatism vs Humanism.
Divide et impera at its finest.
>>337181537
those are both poor
Left side is some autist who thinks theyre the smartest fuck in the room and
>DOES NOT COMMENT THEIR CODE
This person has never ever worked in industry if they dont realize the importance of commenting code. Because when the next person 12 years down the road has to look at your legacy system, they wont know what the fuck you were thinking.
The one on the right is just plain wrong, but at least they have clean, clear, commented code.
In short theyre both retarded
>>337182307
is this satire?
>>337180021
>Was always horrible at math
>Was really great at history
>History is useless and the only job for history is being a history teacher
O-okay.
>>337187793
It's a pretty good general purpose language homie. Try doing something like make a simple GUI based application in other languages, you will be crying for Java.
>>337187852
In higher level classes my uni basically just tries to break students with way too many concepts and homework, and it becomes very nearly impossible to keep up unless you're a superhuman. Most of the time literally every student in the class is lost and since everyone bombs, everyone does well. Occasionally you get the 2-3 people that actually understand what's going on and you get fucked, though
>>337187678
I don't approve of curved grading in college courses. By the time you've completed the course, you're expected to know a certain amount of material. If you don't know that material, you should fail. It doesn't matter if everyone else failed to. That doesn't change the fact that you won't be ready for the next course.
If an excessive number of students fail a course, there should be refunds/free retakes with a different instructor.
>>337187716
Probably the recent decay of proper art training in schools. By recent I of course mean decades long. So many shitty art students can't even create a picture with a proper field of depth and their professors pass them along and say good job because they never learned to do it either. Truly great artists are self taught these days and an art degree means little if the person isn't rigorously pushing themselves along to be better.
>growing up, wanted to make videogames
>decide it was a childish dream
>get a degree in Math and Physics
>regret it and wish I did Computer Science
I'm somewhat glad I have the background because people always say "wow, you must be so smart!" but in reality any math education past basic calculus is worthless unless you go into engineering or statistics or something, in which case you should just major in those subjects instead.
>>337187486
Where do they do this? They were fine with failing people in my courses even if not a single person did well.
>>337187984
The left one was commented in the original source. For some reason the comments were removed there.
>>337187790
I never found school hard.
I just did my homework and paid attention, which was enough to get me by with Bs and sometimes A (at worse a C)
>>337187912
So basically the only standards that matter?
>Cheat way through Calculus
>Look at math still don't know shit
>StudyingComputer Science
on a scale of 1-10 how fucked am I?
>>337188141
GameMaker is EZPZ.
>>337187912
Is something wrong?
>>337187698
>there's no need to fix assembly code
Jesus christ I hate to see how fucking mangled and shitty your C++ code is under the hood. Compilers even today A) produce some terrible machine code and B) still do not support newer instruction sets
Like I said, C++ is good for certain applications where you absolutely need abstraction, otherwise you're better off using something else that isn't as slow and bloated.
>>337187984
>not recognizing Fast InvSqrt()
>calling others retarded
>>337187820
>math is just following instructions
> exam question is the special case the text didn't go over but you are expected to deduce the correct method anyway
>>337188149
Any school really. Just pick a professor who isn't on tenure and you are guaranteed to at least pass.
>>337188221
10 because you're going to school for a dumb reason
>>337187781
Is a statistics/applied math masters worth it?
>>337185343
where the fuck do you live? you can get a car for like $500, a decent old japanese car or something, after that you pay insurance and that's it, you're done, it's not that complicated, no one without a very good salary should be buying new cars.
>>337187793
>Go to apply to a job
>They ask if I know Java
>Tell them I don't very well
>They respond that I'm not very marketable
FUCKING JAVA AND PYTHON FAGS PLEASE KILL YOURSELVES
>>337188221
Not really fucked. All the math you use in CompSci is pretty much always just logic and truth tables.
May vary from uni to uni though.The main strength of a comp sci student is the ability to wing anything and everything, good luck
t. MasterCompSciStudent
>>337188110
Interesting. It probably doesn't help that literal garbage is being sold for millions as modern art.
>>337187820
>>try to teach high schoolers how to factor
>you literally just need to fill in a two column a table I give you (find me 2 numbers that multiply to 4, but also add up to 5) and put the answers into parenthesis
>4 weeks later, I still get random and offensively nonsensical answers
I blame the drugs.
>>337188376
>I don't know java
idiot
>I'm not 100% with its syntax but if you need me to be, give me two weeks and I'll be up to speed with it.
ur hired
>>337186574
>>mfw I didn't learn any programing language because my high school's program for it was garbage
>HS didn't even teach me about programming
>now my next step is majoring in software engineering
Don't blame your past, blame your present for not doing anything about it.
Go learn now.
>>337187150
Dude, vectors are easy though.
>>337186216
>>337185974
>>337184327
>>337185461
>>337185853
>>337186150
>tfw really good at using vsts and synths
And now I just started to learn music theory.
>>337181537
Based on random, blind surveys, code written by women is more often praised by men than code written by men. When the sex of the author is known, the Stat reverses.
>>337187781
I've been in fast food for the past two years.
>>337188343
The only career I can think of that makes that degree worth while is Operations Research. Which I hear rumors is a pretty comfy job.
>>337188508
>majoring
specializing, sorry
>>337188403
>The main strength of a comp sci student is the ability to wing anything and everything
Ain't that the truthI had an absolutely fucked couple of semesters due to IRL shit I'm not gonna blog about, got back on track last semester though, should be able to drag my GPA up to like a 3.2 or so if I fucking work my ass off for my last year of school.
>>337186402
>turns out to be naturally talented in math and coding
>>337181537
> All those unnecessary comments.
Is she writing those down so she doesn't forget?
>>337188221
This will be you trying a comp sci major
>>337188535
have fun being unemployable when fast food workers get the boot from automation advancements.
stores will consist of 1 manager to oversee and maintain, 1 grunt that makes minimum wage and several robots.
>>337188532
Source? Sounds interesting.
>>337188403
Colleges are catching on, When I transfer over to a 4 year school they'll undeclared my major, because I don't have above a B in every single calc or comp sci class. There is no more winging, either you're a super autist or you're fucked.
>>337188535
What's your catchphrase?
>>337187150
Learning maths for physics is shit, learning pure math is absurdly comfy.
>>337187427
That's weird but if she enjoys the film more as a result, then fair fucks to her.
I don't mind being told spoilers for certain things, usually TV programmes, because I can enjoy them regardless
>>337185343
Go to your bank/credit union and tell them you want a car loan. Depending on how shit your credit is will determine your interest rate. If you go to a dealership you will likely get a shit interest rate for a loan from them. If you have shit credit you can pay a shit interest rate for a year then refinance to a better one.
>>337188403
>The main strength of a comp sci student is the ability to wing anything and everything, good luck
>Depressed
>Severe Anxiety
>Constant intimidation in this field
>Still able to work at getting this fucking degree
Alright so I'm good then.
>yfw when 90% of your math class wanted to slip by doing bare minimum anything, and justed wanted to go home and not have responsibilities
>yfw you have to be in a group with them.
>>337188225
I actually messed around with GameMaker a ton in junior high and high school. Taught myself the programming language (GML), learned all sorts of neat things, even eventually signed up to be a mentor to teach other people things.
Years later, after I got my Math degree and regretted not doing computer science, my aunt told me "Anon, normal kids didn't fucking learn to program in junior high, why did you not pursue that"
At least CS is a lot easier to self educate than other STEM subjects. I just find the motivation harder without a physical class to go to.
>>337188619
I'm currently knee deep in assignments and I have to move out so I'm going slowly insane, luckily I seem to be doing well so far.
Good luck with your GPA man. Luckily I feel i don't have to worry so much about it with a Masters and already some experience under my belt.Thank god for google-sensei or i'd be fucked.
>>337188645
It'll take like at least a century before robot labor becomes cheaper than real labor.
>>337188645
When fast food workers get automated out of business there will be mass rioting until basic income is implemented. Then everyone who used to torture themselves making fries will now get to sit around doing fuckall and collect money.
>>337188593
true, was thinking about going back for biostatistics masters and have heard that in general an applied math masters is very good but i occasionally hear opposing anecdotes
>really good at cooking, already know how to cook many meals before I finished high school
>easy positions for a assistant line cook at 16, by now (19) I could probably have a decent position and be on my way to greatness, I would never have to touch a fucking math book again unless I wanted to on my own time
>still think it's a better idea to do game design when I'm still fucking finishing up pre calculus from high school because it's so hard for me, just because I have something inside me that says I need to make video games, I can't even practice programming on my own time I'm so unmotivated
wake me up inside (can't wake up)
>>337184867
you knowyou can still do all of the things in the neet side with a job. and alot of the times its more rewarding to do something after a day of work
>join Computer Science elective in high school for Vidya learning
>oh fuck I suck at math
>switch to business electives
>now an accountant
Eh
>I'll just get a job at a cool business in NYC!
>Every single fucking listing is senior level
>Only options are become IT monkey, work for government, or suck cock for a suit and tie job at fortune 500 company
>feels bad man
Ay /v/
I'm taking Advanced Objected Oriented Programming in the fall, What should I brush up during the summer to git gud in time for when the semester starts?
Any good books or websites I can study?
>>337188403
My college CS curriculum had Discrete Mathematics in it. However, only the like the first few days were spent on truth tables, the first month on logic, and everything else was shit I couldn't fucking understand and caused me to flunk out of college.
>>337188532
Women tend to write simpler code, which programmers like better because it's easy to understand and not some super archane convulated shit that seems to require a sacrifice on the red moon to work.
>not even sure if you're failing college classes or not
>haven't checked anything since the beginning of the semester but I know it can't be good.
fuck this is like the 3rd time I might fail
I went to counselors multiple times and a therapist and it didn't do anything.
>>337188864
>it'll take at least a century before we have computers small enough to fit in modern homes
>>337188879
basic income will push the poverty gap in to the ground.
act while you can and pay off your house and car now because in 30 years unless you're in a senior position you ain't finding work
>>337188937
Why would you ever do something so shitty and unsatisfying that people have to be paid to do it?
What category do you guys consider language majors a part of? I can't really call them STEM but unless you're learning a meme language it'll probably get you a job so it's not really a gender studies kind of thing either.
>be good at math
>people think you're smart
>tfw you're actually retarded
Post content only superior STEM race is allowed to consume.
>Chose Biological engineering to study
>I'm absolutely miserable at math, not in the sense of functionally retarded, but incredibly forgetful of the way things are supposed to be solved
oops
>>337188456
Yup, The reason it's lauded as being the greatest art evar is because it's being purchased by idiots who fell for the artist's scam, or a group of people unable to distinguish high art from low art because their understanding comes from the college professors who themselves know nothing about it. It's a vicious cycle at this point. Another problem is people don't care if it's good art so long as it elicits a reaction. Yes your fecal matter drawing on a canvas is getting a reaction, but it's of disgust because it smells horrible; it''s not deep or a commentary on anything, it's low quality low thought garbage you cobbled together and expect praise for because you're a special little snowflake.
Pic not at all related. Ellis' Moon Knight was so good.
>>337189014
>Failing Discrete Math
Nigga you can't be serious.
That the easiest andfunnestMath you take in CS.
Get to Numerical Analysis then we'll talk.
>>337186407
Either construction doesn't require math or it isn't a meaningful endeavor.
Which means you're either wrong or wrong and a sissy la la boy.
>>337188982
I got lucky and knew someone from my graduating class who's uncle hired him.
Begged him to recommend me and got it
Nepotism
>>337186090
Some of that is just internal to the way we think, not necessarily calculated. It's similar to logic. When you form logical statements/ideas non-numerically, you aren't necessarily consciously utilizing specific mathematical principles which those statements might be reflective of.
>>337183459
it does, its just woefully redundant
>>337188794
>Group project
>Don't know anyone in the class, so get assigned with two random fuckers
>One of them does all their work competently enough but at the last possible minute
>The other is apparently just barely keeping themselves from going full NEET and hardly responds to any kind of communication
It's a miracle we passed that final project
>>337189090
Some gay hybrid of sociology and engineering
Practical sociology? I don't know. All languages suck fucking cocks and we're forced to use them because old people know them, you realize this a lot when you think about them.
If the world just decided to pick a date, and everyone after that speaks one custom-made and good language, oh lord how much better things could be.
>Blew through Calc 1/2/3/lin alg. and various statistics courses with A's
>for whatever reason i just didn't fucking get programming, and the logic behind it all
>narrowly passed my first java programming course, never did programming again
>>337189021
How have you not been kicked out?
>>337189171
>squirrel girl is my favorite super hero
>this is a thing
>>337187678
What the fuck how is this allowed.
>>337186552
You could seriously match almost any curve to an extent if youre just going to rotate and resize that same template.That painting is a good example of using negative space for symmetry though
>>337189316
that's pretty much going to be your working experience
glad you had exposure
>>337188982
Being an IT monkey is pretty cushy
>>337189171
>this thing beat Thanos
Fuck that shit
>>337188662
Similar here in Australia, but if you dont have the required math background they just make you take an extra course. Which isn't even that bad.
And don't worry you will wing shit guaranteed.
>>337188791
I feel you man. I was technically a hikki for 2 years, so i developed social anxiety and other shit tendencies. Luckily, I started opening up when i started doing my masters and i seem to be getting less autistic. You can do it brother, just keep at it.
>>337189014
I'm sorry but Discrete Math is the easiest shit you will ever do, the other stuff they give you like Set theory and all that jazz is pretty important. It's not that intimidating if you sit down and look at it, and the fact that its used in multiple places mean you have plenty of resources. Even if you aren't studying anymore, I recommend you give it a second look since it will change your experience in things a bit more.
>>337188627
All of my cs teachers kept telling us to comment each and every single line and then some. I'm assuming she had similar teachers. Which should only be done with complicated code. Maybe not even then if you want to make it so the company you work for doesn't try to replace you or fire you at some point.
is accounting stem
>>337189171
That looks awful.
I can't believe Squirrel Girl is a thing.
>>337180021
What classes should someone take if they want to make video games?
>>337189316
>One of them does all their work competently enough but at the last possible minute
>The other is apparently just barely keeping themselves from going full NEET and hardly responds to any kind of communication
I did both in college tbqh.
>>337188069
>different instructor
I see the problem
>>337189320
I'm afraid this is going to happen to me; I will never know because I am too intimated by programming.
>>337189316
>group project
>5 people
>8 weeks to do
>one guy hasn't done shit for 3 weeks
>week 4
>just fucking drops off the face of the fucking earth
>email and phone numbers he gave us never worked
>week 5
>he's fucking dead to us let's move on
>deadline rolls around
>presentation time
>he fucking shows up
>>337189213
while I completely agree with what you're talking about in how people aren't getting proper art training these days and are selling literal garbage for millions of dollars. I also think the old concept of "high and low" art is a toxic concept that resulted in hundreds of years of creative stagnation where the only art that was praised was realistic portraits and landscapes or religious representations, there's a place for art of all kinds, as a canadian the group of 7 and their art was a very important step in getting out of that stagnant period and I appreciate it a lot.
>tfw I stream for a living
>tfw have to pretend to be vibrant and perky and funny every day to my retarded teenaged viewers
>my house will very likely be foreclosed if I don't get enough donations
Please don't listen to the e-celeb meme.
It's not fun unless you already have lots of money when you start it.
>>337189431
I know that STEM fields by their very nature are filled with autists, but so far I guess I'd been lucky that I didn't have to deal with them in any of the internships/short term contracts I'd done so far.
>>337189235
>Nepotism
this is how you get jobs today
make connections you fucking aspies
my only friends who got jobs just straight applying from college were a civil engineer and a chemical engineer from Cornell. everyone else got their (good) jobs through friends and a siginficant portion of which weren't even related to their majors
>>337189115
You ever feel like telling people you're not smart and that they're just retarded?
>tfw trying to CompSci while being completely average at mathI'm probably failing precalculus now.
>>337189492
It's funny because you are right. My teachers said the same thing and then towards the final years they stopped caring. When I landed a job, I got told off from commenting too much and got told to only comment stuff that is crucial/needs commenting.
The idea is that good code shouldn't need comments and should explain itself.
>>337189002
just try to make a game in C++. Just trying alone, you'll put in way more effort than 90% of the class.
C++ because academia has a hard-on for it.
>>337180506
A specific kind of math, absolutely. In particular: Vector Math. You want to calculate velocity, direction, magnitude, perform raycasts, do lighting and shadows?
All of that is Vector Math!
With that said, you need to be able to THINK like a mathematician more than anything else. Math is more than just equations. It's a mindset.
>major in CS because vidya gaem
>actually end up enjoying logic and math behind programming
At least one thing in my life worked out for the best.
>>337188982
>Live in a town with a Base
>They literally come to the university begging for Juniors to come for internships
>Take internship there
>Get job at the Base after finishing school
>Make bank
>Go back to school and get Masters
>Go somewhere else and Make even more bank
>You can repeat this step again in order to get your PHD or go directly to settling down
easy son.
You're either just born good at math or not.
>>337180914
I'm great at programming but shit at math.
Coding don't require you to be good at math, just to understand it and be able to use it. I can't show a proof for shit, but I can multiply matrixes just fine because, who couldn't?
>>337189694
> C++
> Not straight up C
I guess its basically the same shit, still.
>>337189625
>It's not fun unless you already have lots of money when you start it.
Just like everything else.
>>337180021
Is programming a useful area of expertise?
>>337188687
Jojo threads are ripe with spoilers but I love it still. Just depends on what it is.
>>337188826
Everyone in my Programming lab/class/thing loves my project so far. I hope to release it sometime this year.
>>337188664
Everyone calls me "Big Tone" despite being 5'8". But I've had plenty of people comment on how active and energetic I am while I work. I also steal people's clothes whenever they leave them lying around (eg using my managers cardigan as massive scarf).I don't graduate HS for another week so I have time to keep making money and unfuck my career path
>>337188913
would you make me some spaghetti, anon?
>>337189610
You tell them off to the professor if you can't get in touch in the first week that you have to work on the project
If you still never hear from them after that then tough shit, they can fail the class
>>337189625
Cry me a river.
Paint houses if you don't like it.
>>337189694
But the class is in Java.
Should I just fuck it and try it anyway?
>>337189771
> academia has a hard-on for C++
>>337189217
>>337189485
It didn't help the Discrete class was originally a math major course so they didn't hold back any punches, but simply gave it to the computer science department instead without making it easier for non-math majors.
>>337189740
what do you mean by Base ? Like a US military base ?
>>337188982
If you can get something that isn't obviously bad then government work would be good, otherwise >>337189438
>>337189786
depends what kind of sauce you want senpai, my favorite to make is a regular tomato based one with hot italian sausage, it's super easy to make and most of the flavor comes from the sausage so you don't even need to use that many spices.
>>337181607
well what helps me is looking all sorts of different resources.
is one guide/textbook not explaining it for you? go to another one
Its how I'm surviving college so far
>My biggest motivation to pay attention in class and study mats/physics was to one day be able to create a time machine and go back in time in order to make sure I was never born
>Years late I realized if I was smart enough to create a time machine I wouldn't be depressed to begin with
Well at least I got decent grades through high school.
>>337189783
Not as a meme. Yes if you are serious about it.
>>337189787
He was legitimately surprised that we didn't credit him at all
Fuck that asshole, we barely finished.
Last I heard from his is that he was selling weed out of a pizzeria
>>337187984
Left side is literally John Carmack
>>337182225
Fuck that man I enrolled in my local JC and placed into pre-algebra, having never done a god damn thing in my life, I'm in calculus now. You can do it anon, don't give up.
>>337189871
Thats life nigga.
My Discrete Math class was taught by the head of the Math Department. And she was fucking Asain, I didn't understand a word that came out of her mouth and I still passed. Granted it was a C but shit it works.
>>337189892
Yee.
Literally a 45 minute drive from where I'm typing this. 30 without Traffic.
>mfw I want to study literature/history or psychology
I hope the meme about non-STEM field grads never getting any jobs is untrue
>>337189941
>I realized if I was smart enough to create a time machine I wouldn't be depressed to begin with
Depression and intelligence seem pretty highly correlated
>>337189516
>>337189854
for maths, linear algebra is a must, discrete mathematics is helpful, probability, game theory and statistics might be necessary if you think about designing a good game (balanced, rewarding etc.)
for CS, all i can think about is some basic programming and IT courses, the rest you can figure out by yourself by learning from internet
that's my experience at least, don't take it too seriously
>>337182282
Well science for one. Would wouldn't be able to frog post if there weren't people who did the math to make the internet.
>>337182056
Never had a friend in my life and I'm largely useless at math.
>>337189854
>>337189516
Aight chief here is my advice. If you want to make games, learn how to do it yourself.
Do NOT go into comp sci for vidya. You are getting your hopes up for a different kind of area.
I mean you can still do it but if you really want to make a game you need to figure out that shit on your own. No college/university/shitty game academy is gonna give you the gift of experiencing shit by yourself.
Also make it a hobby, not a job. You are shooting yourself in the foot. Game industry is not a place you want to go in.
>>337189941
thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard...
wouldnt it be easier to kill yourself?
>>337189853
Most of the OOP features in C++ transfer to Java. Overall, Java is easier.
idk senpai, just do whatever. You'll be ahead of everyone else if you just do something.
>>337189516
check out sloperama.com
tells you alot about game business and such
what's important is that you have a good portfolio, practice for it now, even if it's only 10 min or coding pong, you'll want to make your portfolio good.
>>337189901
sounds good
where did you learn cooking skills?
>mfw I only know how to program using matlab's language
I feel like one of those guys that think they're hot shit at driving but have never actually driven a RWD manual car.
>>337180506
>>337180741
Every great philosopher was also a math professor
>>337181607
practice practice practice
That's all there is to it really. Oh and making sure you understand all the base concepts before you tackle a new concept that makes use of those. For that make sure you understand most everything in all your math classes, if you barely scrape by in one class it will hurt you in your next
God I wish I enlisted in High school.
Fuck these loans
>>337190028
Well the statement you just said is untrue. However, its pretty clear as day that if you major in something that is linked to a specific career, you have a better chance at finding a job than a liberal arts major.
But really it comes down to what you know and who you know. That is all that truly matters.
>>337189771
Well technically C is faster then C++ assuming you're using the same compiler for both and not a shittier one for one of them.
>>337189783
No.But it's really fun to be god of your computer.
>>337189853
If you know Java then C++ won't be too hard to grasp. Their syntax is very similar.
>>337190028
STEM don't get jobs either. Hopefully you're still in highschool or otherwise out of college so you can save the money you don't have. Find some not retail job and just deal with the hours, or kill yourself.
>>337189941
What if you have actually already invented the time machine, went back in time and made sure you were never born, except the fact that you were never born meant that you never built a time machine to make sure you were never born?
>>337180996
This is what idiots tell themselves.
>>337189615
Yeah as you can tell I'm not exactly an artist. I just appreciate stuff like minimalism, and realism over nonsensical jumbled garbage. Hell I don't even know what the kind of stuff I'm referring to would be classified as and if it's several classifications that only recently came to be or a single movement. >>337189171 is one of those things though. God I hate what they did to poor Squirrel Girl.
>>337190221
Try to go officer, they do loan forgiveness.
>>337190028
You get jobs but nothing related to your field of study. You will probably end up selling water softeners or dispatching trucks or doing landscaping.
>>337190221
>he fell for the college trap
>he thinks enlisting would fix it
lmao
>>337190274
>STEM don't get jobs either.
LOL
>>337189869
They do though. C++ and Python.
>>337181607
learn the basics dumbass!
>>337190126
That would shame my whole family.
My parents don't deserve this.
>>337189941
I actually took 2 years of machine learning before I realized I'd never be able to make a lifelike AI of my waifu
Even if I was an Einstein-level genius I'd need to have started serious academic work when I was like 12 to even have a chance, if you really go through university paying attention to things you realize the only people who ever make anything new are less than 30 years old.
Intellectuals have an even lower expiration date than athletes.
>>337189348
I almost was last semester actually
>>337190028
just be really good at what you do
decide what kind of job you want, there's many out there. Start out by working in a small business with others or some small school, whatever you lit/history/pyschology majors do.
this advice might sound BS because it's what I'm doing now and I don't know the exact outcome, but all I know is to work hard and know what you're doing.
>>337190118
>Game industry is not a place you want to go in.
Holy shit this. It might as well be a sweatshop at this point.
>>337190352
I was quoting myself to point out why to study C++ over C
>>337184720
Yes you can, and many people do.
Self important people like to make out whatever it is that they do as critically important, but the reality is that unless you build houses or grow food or do something in distribution, whatever it is you do is not necessary for life to continue.
>>337189783
Seriously, yes. Everything around you has had some sort of involvement with programming. It's the new accounting of sorts.
If you go get a job, try to land one in an IT company. A dev position in a non-IT company, can mean you will be underappreciated, since everyone will treat you like an IT meme.
>>337182668
Then you aren't actually programming.
>>337190221
Teacher or any public service offer loan forgiveness.
And go directly to the fucking Government, no middle man chagrining you to get it done.
>>337190167
from my mother, father and from high school, we had a surprisingly robust cooking class that was completely free and they taught you a whole lot of skills, especially baking, I even got a foodsafe certificate that lets me work in restaurants, which you usually need to get on your own. my mom is a bit of a virtuoso but never worked a job in the food industry.
>>337190306
nothing is technically incompetent about the new squirrel girl art, it's just a really ugly and unappealing style, which is fine to hate, but I don't think it's from a lack of proper training.
I was unschooled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling
Where do I go to learn math beyond an elementary school level?
I'm considering majoring in geology. Any advice?
>>337190306
If it'll cheer you up, some anon from /co/ haphazardly tried to fix one panel.
It's best Squirrel Girl ever looked in her own run.
>>337190560
do you like rocks, anon?
>>337190028
Just remember you aren't a liberal arts major.
>>337190560
Bring condoms.
>>337183996
>>337187216
next time when doctor gives out dosage for your prescribed drug you're gonna pray your ass off he can put two and two together
>>337190056
>>337190118
>>337190154
So should I just take classes or try and get a degree? Can I be fine with just a high scool diploma? If not what would help me?
>>337190547
do you have a local community college?
>>337190274
STEM get jobs but its not like you will have people breaking down your door begging you to work for them. My friend actually lived up to the 6 figures starting meme but he hustled for every opportunity since he was a freshman and landed multiple internships and even a part time job in his field before he graduated.
>>337190327
>>he thinks enlisting would fix it
Feds won't care about your loans if you work for them. Assuming anon was smart enough to get fed loans and not loans from a bank or private sector.
>>337180021
To be fair, you don't really need math to make video games nowadays.
Hell, my GOTY 2014 was a fucking RPG Maker game, so consider.
>>337181537
Programmer here.
You should only comment when something is really hard to understand and not unnecessarily like "assign 5 to variable a".
Also both are really bad coding practice, you should never name your variables a and b you should give them real names.
>if (a > b && b < a)
kek
>>337182502
Look into any random uni/college's curriculum. Pirate some random edition of a book you feel would be a good starting point from the maths listed towards the beginning of a Computer Science.
Maybe that'd be a standard college algebra book, a calc book, or some remedial shit if you're an idiot.
That, or everything else that's been stated such as Khan Academy or Patrick JMT.
>>337190689
Yeah but I'm probably too retarded to even pass a GED.
>>337190497
>It's a anon thinks programmers only write code for mathematicians and scientists episode
>>337190704
this desu, you networking and communication skills are more important in getting you a job than your field of study
gotta get dem internships and work opportunities
>>337190547
Khan Academy.
>>337190768
the original on the left has comments. someone posted it earlier.
>>337190327
I should try and get into the Navy, boats are cool
>>337190710
I got a fucking loan through the FAFSA, not completely retarded
>>337182225
>tfw hated math as a child
>gave up on making games as a dream early on and decided to try to do other shit
>nearly a decade and a half later ended up on the software programming train and take math because I have to
>taking the class on my own terms actually made it fun as fuck and I got an A+ in it while also ACTUALLY learning shit
I dunno man, you probably just had shit teachers. Once I actually sat down and learned this shit, It was fucking awesome. This is coming from someone who had issues with negative numbers until like a year ago.
You can do it anon, don't give up your dreams.
>>337190673
If you want to work at a big game studio
Learn to either program or do 3D art. It doesn't matter what your qualification is. If it's programming make it C++. Build a portfolio with samples of your abilities. Program small games or make art pieces suited for games in your spare time. You won't get into games by passively sitting through your degree.
If you want to be an independent developer school is close to useless, learn to make games now and do that
>>337183497
Good comments:
>include all necessary attributes like params and short but concise explanation of following statement
Bad comments:
>LOL so this is gonna take two numbers and give you the bigger one xD
>>337190804
community colleges (at least around me) will accept anyone.
They'll give you a math placement test and place you in "remedial math for adults" Tuition is "free" if you're under 18 and in the US.
>>337190768
>Writing a program
>Start to not give a shit about a part
>Decide to name a variable A or B because fuck you I'm not going to come up with a creative or descriptive name and it's my fucking code
Sue me.
>>337190486
When you get some years down it doesn't really matter. You sort of jump at languages and just pick them up as you go.Then you get mad at things the language doesn't have that others do.
>>337190475
I feel like this is the typical "dream" of any person that grew up on video games. "I want to be a game developer!"
No you fucking don't. Developing a game is literally selling your soul for a chance at making something that people may shit on.
Think about it. The working conditions are hellish unless you are really dedicated about it. You can bet your mental state will go down the drain. You are sacrificing a greater portion of your lifetime, on the minimal chance you do something worthwhile in the eyes of a bunch of fucking snotty nose kids.
And now as a plus, you have to deal with not stepping on any fairy princess SJW's massive toes with anything you write, say, breathe, think, etc.
To anyone reading this wanting to get into the game industry. DONT.
You will ruin your love of video games and you will ruin your life.You can be succesful though, but thats rare in its self. And look, even if you do make it big look at notch. He has a shit-ton of money but he is super depressed/nothing now.
>>337188243
> I hate to see how fucking mangled and shitty your C++ code is under the hood. Compilers even today A) produce some terrible machine code
Machine code is completely irrelevant due to CPU's own layers of abstractions (pipelines, several layers of caches)
You think it is the lowest you can go, but even the assembly is but a tip of an iceberg and you don't even have access to lower layer -- microcode.
And optimizing machine code is literally wasting your time and electrons because the main bottleneck is in memory anyways. CPU is literally doing nothing 90% of the time because it is waiting for memory to haul it's ass.
>>337188532
Thats a BS study done by github
Would you say that I have my shit out of control if I told you that I major in law and decided to start learning Japanese a month before exams?
>>337190804
Impossible. I dropped out to support my ICU bound mother in high school and took my GED 4 years later. Scored 780 / 800 overall. One of the math questions was literally "44 is what percent of 100?"
The science questions are basic multiple choice "What is condensation?" with answers like "the process plants use to convert sunlight in to energy" that you can immediately rule out.
The 'history' questions were looking at propaganda poster and analyzing meanings behind it. Nothing to know at all.
The only hard part is the written test, which you're assigned a completely random topic. Mine was about what I would do to help with world hunger. Requires 2 pages.
There is no reason to not get your GED, it's basically a high school diploma for everyone except 6 digit careers, and even then your HSD would fall off your resume with certs, degrees and experience.
>>337188473
>Never understood factoring (Still don't)
>Cheated sometimes
>Guessed
>Aced all my tests and classes
I don't even understand myself.
>>337190616
I always have. Ever since I was a kid I looked around the park and my yard for rocks and put them in a bucket.
I even have a volcano bomb and a piece of obsidian as paper weights. And there's some fossils in my riverock fireplace.
>>337189615
>group of 7
First I've heard of them. After a quick google search, I have to say I'm not impressed.
Oh man, thread full of tards. When it all comes down to it, you're all useless retarded faggots with horrible lives who should just kill themselves.
>>337190993
I'm 21 now, my parents basically let me do whatever I wanted growing up and that meant staying up all night playing video games and learning nothing for years (Texas has the most lax homeschool laws in the country). Now my NEET gravy train is running out and I need to go out and be a functional adult but I'm not even sure where to start when it comes to Math.
I know multiplication and division. That's about it.
>>337191048
This post is so much 'second-hand bullshit i assumed from reading things on the internet but have no real experience in'
>>337181537
> if (a > b && b < a)
>>337191048
You don't have to be working for a AAA company to be a game developer. Technically you can be a "game developer" working by yourself in your spare time. Then once you need parts that requires the talent of others, like music or art design, you find volunteers.
>>337191048
Even moreso if video games are your only/primary hobby. Creating something that you love is a quick way to absolutely kill your enjoyment of it, because once you know how everything works you start dissecting every aspect of it and it becomes impossible to be immersed or just lose yourself in it ever again.
>>337191278
Hey, I am not a faggot, I am even convinced that girl penises are gay.
>>337188069
It'll never happen because, in the USA at least, education is private sector, colleges exist for profit.
So they jew the fuck out of students with insanely inflated tuition costs, then when students fail because no one in the college actually cares about teaching anything, only profit, they are forced to curve grades otherwise the school looks bad and it just might make apparent just how totally fucked the education system is.
So they just curve the grade, pass students that have been physically and mentally crushed and assimilated into the mindless American consumer culture, take their government grants, put liens on some students who will NEVER be able to pay back student debts (which you cannot default out of even with bankruptcy), and buy a new Porsche.
This is one of the major reasons that I never went to college beyond taking a few courses from a community college that was close by.
The other reasons include having zero marketable interests, being a totally inept social outcast reject, and being immune to peer pressure and social conditioning of money = good, get more money always no mater what mentality.
>>337190185
same here.
matlab is so fucking high level that other languages just seem archaic in comparison.
>>337190126
It means he's too much of a wuss to actually finish himself off, but he's enough of a pity party boo-hoo sad sack to want to die and tell people about how he wants to die.
>>337191282
>21
>in texas
>Shit at math
Oh shit you're me.
Just walk into your community college. Be like fuck it ill take the placement test
Study a fuckton.
Hopefully you get placed in a decent math if not remedial it is.
Don't worry about it nigga, nearly half of all the people I knew had to take remedial straight out of high school because the college wants money. I placed out of them for getting commentated performance on the TAKS test so I went straight to college algebra.
You're going to be fucked either way so go in and at least get your feet wet.
>>337191282
I'm sorry.
There are adult night schools. Although I'd recommend trying the community college.You might meet real people there that like the same stuff you like that are about your age.
>>337191350
Sorry I meant it more in the sense that it is not as a safe bet as other CompSci jobs would be. Plus once you work on games, your view on them starts to change a bit.
>>337191376
Yeah thats fine. That's more hobby-ish, then an actual career. I meant getting in the thick of the industry.
>>337191395
Very much so this. There was a post I was a reading about some Indie Dev (I can't quite remember the game he worked on but it was a fairly popular one, the post was on gamasutra). He was basically saying the same thing.
>>337191048
I want to work for one of those Japanese divs. I heard is harsher over their.
>>337191201
>Machine code is completely irrelevant due to CPU's own layers of abstractions (pipelines, several layers of caches)
It's pretty obvious you've never done any modern assembly programming. You couldn't be any more incorrect about machine code being irrelevant, especially when compilers like farting out unoptimized code.
>You think it is the lowest you can go, but even the assembly is but a tip of an iceberg and you don't even have access to lower layer -- microcode
Again, you've obviously not done any modern assembly programming. You can do this, it's just easier writing out machine instructions.
>And optimizing machine code is literally wasting your time
It isn't when the code runs slower and is bloated.
>B-But muh bottleneck
>M-Muh CPU idle time
>Muh slow memory
Literally coming up with excuses and trying to justify why you don't want to get your hands dirty.
>>337191873
Good luck getting accepted into the most xenophobic culture of them all.
Not being sarcastic, just, good luck.
>>337190118
>The game industry is not something you want to be in
Unless you work directly for the publisher, as a lawyer or something.
>>337182495
Hey! You too?!?!?! Message me on reddit about it and we can talk more!!!!!!
>>337190917
Yeah, I made a shitty blog post somewhere else in this thread, but it honestly came down to how I was taught. Wasn't til the end of my Physics course that someone said "it's like a puzzle" that I understood and managed to get good enough scores to pass. If there were just shorthand explanations for what I learned, I'm sure I could learn that stuff easy now. It's just a matter of finding out where I fell off.
>>337191424
>being a totally inept social outcast reject
I thought when I went to a 4 year college I'd finally get friends and even get a girlfriend. Then after the first year their it suddenly hit me that it wasn't going to be like that ever.
>>337180021
What're the best companies to work for?
>>337192003
Yeah, but then it sorta leaves the programming umbrella. Man being a lawyer for a publisher must be a pretty sweet job.
>>337191874
hey you're still here. I've been meaning to give you a (you) but I joined late.
I had to wrangle an intern like you once. He spent 200hrs optimizing CV code to work on a xeon. Requirements changed and we now have an ARM9.
>>337192253
Whatever hires you.
>>337192176
>Then after the first year their it suddenly hit me that it wasn't going to be like that ever.
>tfw you realized this after the first 2 weeks
>>337191873
>wanting to work in a job that will more than likely demand overtime in overtime: the culture
>>337180021
Continue this discussion here >>337192120
>>337191771
Making video games (or any creative pursuit) is far more rewarding than playing them will ever be. It's not even comparable. If you work at a shitty industry job like most people but I guess it sucks, but creating your own game you love is far better than playing them.
I don't enjoy that many games, but I don't think I would even if I wasn't a developer. But if you find a good game you can still enjoy it just as much as if you weren't. The only 'downside' I find is when I play a less-than-perfect game I can't stop myself trying to redesign everything in my head afterwards.
Game development is only a soul-sucking profession if you let it be. But it's not an easy job
>>337190185
>matlab
Matlab is so fucking comfy if all you're trying to do is math. It can easily graph and depict data and it's simple enough while still able to do complex tasks.
They tried to make me do Math in FORTRAN and I said no.
>>337192254
I was making a "pan" or whatever you call it. The game industry is shit because it's exploitative and the "money" you're hearing about it is all foddered into the publisher while the dev companies are thrown around like slaves. It seriously needs unions of some kind, there should be no reason game devs make so little while other CS jobs are given a more worthy paycheck.
http://imgur.com/a/OyOid
Who needs math when you have Uncle Remus?
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