>tfw learning japanese to play japanese games and hate every second
>mfw kanji
>>336888347
Do Remembering the Kanji
>>336888128
Give up.
just give up dingus. you'll never get it, do something more productive and further yourself.
>>336888128
Post more Nepgear
Leaning Japanese is one of the dullest and most tedious things I've ever done in my life. Kanji can suck my fat dick.
I did it though, the pay off was worth it I guess since pretty much all I play now are untranslated VNs but I wouldn't do it again.
I really want to learn Japanese so i don't have to worry about localizations and censorship and the like but I realized time spent learning japanese is time i could be spending studying for certifications to get a better job
>>336888941
>don't have to worry about censorship
Good one.
>>336888128
isn't learning a complex language just for entertainment a waste of time?
it would make sense if you were planning to actually move to japan or get a job that needs japanese, but learning it just for vidya and manga is like buying a tank to drive to a grocery store
>>336888527
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0VSSUuEjA12
>tfw memorized the meaning of the kanji but not the pronunciation
>try to play a kids game in Jap to work on vocab
>get bored of translating all the vocab I don't know and just skip through the text to get to the gameplay
>finally learn Japanese
>Japanese game industry is dead
>>336888941
do what you want to get enjoyment out of life, you guys worry too much about what is and what isn't a waste of time. if you aren't motivated don't do it holy fuck
>>336889042
I want to feel safe. Fuck you.
Do you know how many deaths are from cars?
Thought so.
>>336889042
>>it would make sense if you were planning to actually move to japan or get a job that needs japanese
Why? Seriously, why do those things make sense, but learning a language for entertainment doesn't?
You probably spend all your free time on entertainment. For most people, it's their reason for living.
The time you spend learning the language will be far outstripped by the time you spend using the language within a year.
So how long would it take to learn Japanese at a level competent enough to completely or almost completely understand games and other shit? Assuming like an hour or two of practice a day.
>learn Japanese to read fate/stay night because FUCK YOU MESSAGE
>use it to play imports once in a while since they're sure as fuck not localizing Macross 30
Videogames.
>>336889884
2 years.
>>336889884
Took me about a year doing 2-3 hours a day.
>>336890029
Seriously? What did you use to learn?
i'm only learning so i can read untranslated doujins and then translate them for money
>>336890319
You make shit money doing that. Get some real experience under your belt and do private sector work, not only do you not have to waste your time fitting shit into bubbles, you'll get paid 20 times more.
>>336889042
>isn't learning a complex language just for entertainment a waste of time?
Well, why are you so concerned with getting a good job? If all you need is food and a roof over your head, working as a low-ranking manager at Target will get you a trailer and a supply of cheap groceries with money to spare for a rainy day.
You want a good job because basic food and shelter aren't the only things that matter in life. In both seeking a good job and learning Japanese, you're working to obtain luxuries that are currently unobtainable to you. And in the case of Japanese, those luxuries can't be bought with money.
>>336890447
i can do both nigga
i LIKE doujins, so i'll translate those on the side
>>336890541
Some people (actually, most people) don't care about Japanese media or don't consider them "luxuries"
>>336890138
pls respond
Hiragana and katakana are learned in less than two weeks.
Grammar wise Japanese is much easier than English.
Kanji are indeed archaic, but pretty simple in theory. If you have trouble distinguishing them from each other, learn radicals (not their names, just how they look like, there's like only 200 of them that make up the 2000ish jouyou kanji). RTK1 is a good choice for this.
Otherwise just learn kanji through new vocabulary instead of trying to drill each and every one of their possible pronunciations without context. Most classroom teachers go through kanji in a retarded manner befitting Japanese grade schoolers, teaching students to learn kanji without even touching the manner of radicals or similar looking kanji first, and make students learn the readings without context like proper compound words, nor do they mention spaced repetition software like Anki and instead opt to make their students write down the same kanji over and over again on a piece of paper, then forget about reviewing it altogether
>>336889884
>>336890138
To understand most vidya near completely without having to rely on dictionaries? Few years, with some very hard to understand games still being behind your grasp
If you're talking about the point when you are going to play easy to understand vidya for reading practice (which is obviously the most important skill for consuming media), it could very well take less than a year.
Retard proof guide
1. Realkana.com or go google hiragana and katakana mnemonics
2. Tae Kim's Grammar Guide
3. For kanji; Anki (free software), Heisig's Remembering the Kanji 1 .pdf and the related deck (you don't have to do it completely if you're confident in being able to distinguish kanji from each other)
4. Vocab: Core 2000, Core 4000 etc. and other free vocab decks
5. ITH and JParser, start playing easy to understand vidya / VNs / eroge
6. If you feel the need, use Anki Yomichan add-on and make your own vocab decks from ITH output
7. Eroge erryday
8. Pass JLPT N1
>>336890651
And some do you GOOBER
>>336890651
What's your point?
He does, that's why he's learning Japanese.
Why the fuck would it matter if other people don't care? He's the one working his ass learning Japanese to enjoy what he enjoys even more so, for him, it's worth it.
>>336890651
And? Most people have never picked up a book they weren't forced to read in school. Most people watch Hollywood capeshit every year and eat it up like candy. Your argument holds no meaning, unless you seriously base your enjoyment of things on how much other people like them instead of your own personal feelings.
>>336890651
Then those people don't have a reason to learn, do they? At least not one that pertains to being able to consume Japanese media for fun.
However, if someone does place enough value on untranslated VNs that they feel compelled to learn the language in order to read them, then it's worthwhile for them, for the same reason that getting a good job is worthwhile. It will improve THEIR quality of life by providing them with a commodity that they value. Whether other people value it is irrelevant, just like how much value some random old lady places on videogames is irrelevant to whether you consider good gaming hardware to be worthy of your hard earned money. It's the exact same thing.
Once you get to the point you can actually understand some shit it gets better. Almost 1 year in and I'm feeling pretty good about things.
>>336891239
How much do you practice daily senpai?
>learn Japanese for 3 years so I can vidya gaymes
>company learns my jap skill and invites me to go to our Japan branch as they need more people
Should I?
Memes tought me that company life in Japan is mentally crippling
This is very sad, my condolences.
>>336891565
Been in Tokyo for over a year, it is fantastic.
Talk to someone who has add experience working in your company's jap branch and see what they say about it. But I'd definitely recommend it.
SO, guys. How do I have to study kanji anyway?
Nowadays I'm just memorizing(with writing) every kanji's in my Japanese textbook, seven hours straight, each day, but nothing seems improved. Any tip?
I don't think it's possible for me to learn a second language.
>>336892048
Do you really gain anything by studying individual Kanji?
I've only studied vocab and I don't see the point
Fuck writing kanji I don't see how that will help me
>>336889659
>japan will die in your lifetime
>>336892287
I'm conversational in Chinese and we have our share of characters, too. Writing helps me a lot when it comes to memorization.
>>336892048
Don't just spend hours writing vocab, make sure you can apply the vocabulary, too. I spent a lot of time writing practice sentences to help me understand the pronunciation, writing, and usage all at once.
If you're using a textbook, perhaps read the lesson texts while practicing?
>>336888347
This shit just never seems to stick. I spend most my time trying to remember what it actually looks like and how its pronounced in a sentence rather than what it means.
>>336888128
>learning japanese for 3 month to read Rondo Duo
>English patch comes out
![460px-Leitner_system_alternative.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/fy7PjVv.png "460px-Leitner system alternative.svg[1]")
>>336892048
>Nowadays I'm just memorizing(with writing) every kanji's in my Japanese textbook, seven hours straight, each day,
That's the worst and least efficient thing you could be doing. Learning kanji isn't a matter of downing as much information as possible in a short amount of time, but spaced repetition. Download Anki and some kanji decks, maybe RTK1 if you're going through jouyou kanji. If there's some specific vocab you want to learn and have text files of books or output of ITH in case of video games available, download Yomichan add-on and create your own vocabulary deck.
If you have a hard time distinguishing kanji from each other RTK1 deck and the book is great because they group similar looking kanji together.
If you want to study actual kanji usage; meanings and pronunciation in proper words is the best way to go = just study vocabulary and example sentences (can also be done with Anki and its voiced Core 2k, 4k, and so on decks).
>>336893083
Of all things you could learn Japanese for you did it for that?
>>336893326
Also fo the jap oppai growth games like Omega Labirynth
>>336889042
These kinds of posts always trigger the fuck out of me. I can't help but imagine how sad you have to be to consider working towards something you're interested in a waste of time, to consider learning something a waste of time, to consider learning about a culture entirely different from your own a waste of time.
I bet you're one of those faggots in my compsci classes that keeps complaining about everything we learn that he probably won't actually need for a job, even though it's a university that's supposed to focus on academic learning, not fucking job-prepping. Fuck you wannabe wageslave losers, learning for learning's sake is the most beautiful thing there is.
>>336893457
But society has indoctrinated me to consider anything that doesn't benefit the state's consumer lifestyle a waste of time.
>>336889884
a lot of games you don't need to know anything to play, I mean are you autistic enough to not play an 80s side scroller because you don't know what an item is called
>>336892941
Once again, do Remembering the Kanji.
>>336893435
Then your efforts are not wasted. Keep working hard for those other things you'd like to read.
>>336889805
Do you know how many deaths are from tanks?
>tfw dyslexia
>tfw you literally can't learn Japanese
>>336893679
I think Wanikani is better
>tfw learning Japanese
>stopped doing Anki after I got 4000 vocab words and the 2141 Joyo Kanji
>now I just learn by playing vidya or reading the news
Sure I improve in a slower fashion but the stress/frustration factor is now 0%
Keep learning.
All the ancient Japanese vidya is somehow better than their modern stuff so what you want already exists.
Just keep up your study and you'll be able to play a mountain of smut one day.
>>336893852
Holy shit I can actually read this. Would be nice if it was a bit slower though.
>>336894086
It's all very simple words so that's probably why that anon posted it in the first place. This kinda of material is really cool when you're starting so you can really feel the progress
Try this too : http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
>>336892287
>>336893236
>>336892652I love you guys, thanks for the tip.
>>336894258
That's pretty cool, though furigana are almost cheating.
>>336894258
I'd recommend the new Pokemon games, since the 3DS they've started providing all languages on the cart so you don't even need to import to get Japanese. You can turn kanji on which you should but it's all still relatively simple text so it's good for beginners.
Problem is it can get a little boring, the writing in Pokemon often isn't very interesting, but if you happen to enjoy the game then it's a good way to learn.
>>336894382
Yeah once you get the hang of it furigana become annoying because you automatically read them first, it's the same phenomenon that when you read subtitles when you don't actually need them. I'm just plugging this one because it was one of my best material when I started.
>>336894395
In a similar fashion, I have imported the JP version of Yokai Watch 1 & 2 and it's good for practice. Also, Ni no Kuni is a must play if you have a PS3 and are learning Japanese.
>>336888128
>tfw photographic memory but completely inept at social interactions
I've memorized and written kanji a lot of Japanese would be impressed by. Whenever I try to apply all the knowledge however it falls to shambles, start stuttering like a bitch.
>>336893835
I did the exact same thing as you did, with the exception of perhaps additional custom 3000 vocab words through Anki's Yomichan add-on while I was playing easy vidya. Once you get the bare basics down and become more comfortable with encountering kanji it's all downhill from there, you just read and read while over time becoming faster at it.
Though, if you only do that your production skills (writing and speaking) obviously aren't going to improve that much, but then again I assume most people learning Japanese do it for the express purpose of being able to consume Japanese media (reading and listening comprehension).As a result I fuck up some extremely simple shit like even forgetting how to write certain katakana despite being completely capable of reading JLPT N1 level texts.
>>336894587
Reading and speaking are two completely different skills.
>>336894587
Just pretend to be a mute and write everything you want to say on a notepad and show it to them.
>>336894759
Pronunciation isn't really a problem since the language is almost phonetic.
Only a few exceptions here and there like how some people pronounce ひと as "shito" and I get really confused.
>tfw learning japanese to play japanese games and loving it
The first time those random squiggles turned into an actual word I could read it blew my mind wide open
>>336894960
Tell me about it. In my head I sound fluent but as soon as the words try to come out..
>>336895032
That or go full Stephen Hawking.
WHY CAN'T JAPAN JUST MOVE TO ROMAJI
FUCK
>>336895032
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes. That way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody. If anybody wanted to tell me something, they'd have to write it on a piece of paper and shove it over to me. They'd get bored as hell doing that after a while, and then I'd be through with having conversations for the rest of my life. Everybody'd think I was just a poor deaf-mute bastard and they'd leave me alone . . . I'd cook all my own food, and later on, if I wanted to get married or something, I'd meet this beautiful girl that was also a deaf-mute and we'd get married. She'd come and live in my cabin with me, and if she wanted to say anything to me, she'd have to write it on a piece of paper, like everybody else.
>>336895157
They could, but they won't.
>>336895078
Yeah, pronouncing Japanese is actually quite easy. I was talking more about being able to create polite and grammatically correct sentences on the spot without having to take your time to search for proper expressions. I have a similar problem with speaking English, though obviously to lesser extent than Japanese.
>>336895419
Same with writing too, I can read okay but if I wanted to type a sentence I'm sure it would sound retarded.
>>336895157
How could they? Since they have tons of homophones, how could they then know which word it is without seeing hte kanji
>>336895528
Because Japanese is a very contextual language you fuck. Like they don't know whether you're talking about fucking salmon or sake etc
>>336895528
Tokyo or Toukyou?
>>336888128
stop?
>>336894587
>>336895132
Fuuck I'm the same. I read Japanese everyday but whenever I try to speak "huumm watashi wa humm anon desu ?"
The worst part is that I'm going to Japan in 3 weeks and I fear being awkward as fuck.
>>336896054
You'll get used to it. Alcohol also helped me a bunch, just practice talking at izakaya.
>>336896054
Where in Japan are you going? You don't need to know a word of Japanese to get by in Tokyo.
>>336896169
Just to be clear I'm going there for an internship, not tourism. I think I won't have too many problems finding ways to practice because I'll be surrounded by 90% Japanese people everyday
>>336896296
Ikeda, it's close to Osaka.
>>336895375
>They could, but they won't.
That's false. Japanese government actually considered changing to just kana or romaji at some points, but found it impossible / very impractical due to usage and limitations of kana syllabaries having caused a fuckton of homophones over the course of history and development of Japanese language. Just look at kana; the syllables cover all the possible sounds in Japanese language with only few variations like gemination. Compare that to Roman alphabet where you can freely combine all sorts of separate vowels and consonants. Changing to just kana or romaji would remove many important visual cues and make understandability suffer, even if you used spaces. Anyone native or someone who has learned Japanese can attest to this.
Sure, kanji as a system are very archaic but there's no way to just up and pluck them from the language this late. Of course, spoken language can't benefit from kanji so the listeners have to rely on context or have the speaker explain what they're talking about. Kanji become extremely important in even remotely scientific or other fields using specified vocabulary, and actually help readers who are introduced to foreign concepts if they already know the base meaning of a kanji ideogram they're encountering again.
It would really help if japanese wasn't such a difficult and shitty language.
>>336896454
Not as shitty as English
>Tear and tear have identical spelling and different pronunciations
>Funness isn't an 'real' word because reasons
>Funner isn't a 'real' word
>Funny is fine though
>Funning isn't
What can I say, I love Japanese conjugation.
>>336896054
Dont be afraid to be awkward. Thats the worst thing you can do. I travelled a loy across the europe looking for job just with basic english. Peoplr are very understanding and its better to say things in simply way than trying to thing first about grammar etc. Practice is all you need
Then you're doing it wrong. I'm playing video games while learning japanese at the same time and it's fun (outside of the necessary evil that is anki).
>>336888128
Nepgear is for...
>うん means 'yes'
>ううん means 'no'
great language
>>336897065
>uh-huh means yes
>uh-uh means no
Literally the same fucking thing.
Learning faggots.
Why haven't you played Nekopara yet?
It gives you the option to display two languages (2) at the same time as you play.
I wish more games did this.
>>336888128
If you aren't enjoying it then you won't learn it
さっさと止めろ
>>336893852
What novel is this called?
>>336897207
your dumb shut up
>>336896932
Hand holding and head pats. She's a good girl.
>>336896054
It's inevitable when you first start speaking. Same with sounding like a baby or just a general uneducated dumbass. Having a good base from lots of reading and especially listening can help, but there's ultimately no way around the growing pains.
The important thing is that you practice a lot and keep striving to improve. Try speech shadowing, recording yourself to spot things to fix, and talking to yourself when you're alone. When you combine that with a good knowledge base, you'll eventually go from sounding like a baby to sounding like an educated foreigner.
>>336897280
Because on one hand it's a complete pile of shit game that nobody would willingly play for more than 5 minutes if they had any taste, and on the other, the translation is overly liberal and thus pretty useless for the purpose you think it is. "分かりました" means "ma'am" now?
>>336897414
>Doesn't understand the difference between translating meaning and translating words.
You baka.
>>336888128
no wonder, you are trying to learn a language based in primitive gutural songs and stylized pictograms representing objects
japanese is literally supernoob class, a development of savage prehistoric communication
and since you don't come from their ching chong tribe, it's gonna be a bitch to learn
>>336897280
The English isn't a literal translation of the script and English and Japanese do not follow the same grammar rules. Displaying them both to learn the other is like trying to learn how to play tennis by using a tennis ball in a baseball game.
>>336897351
Check the webm title.
>>336897489
And which one would you want if you were looking to learn the language, genius?
>>336897580
Meanings.
Then I can read "はい、分かりました" and interpret "Yes, understood." in my head and check "Yes, ma'am" to see how the translator displayed the meaning.
That translation is far more useful to me since I can easily get the literal translations from my dictionary.
>>336897563
I don't think it's called "90's visual novels"
>>336897065
>can't tell the difference between "うん" in a single syllable and "ううん" divided up into two syllables
They always make it really fucking obvious which one they're using. You would need to be the DSP of language learning in order to have trouble with that.
>>336897684
filename =/= title
>>336897679
>>That translation is far more useful to me since I can easily get the literal translations from my dictionary.
If you're fine with looking up everything in your dictionary, why on earth do you need the English translation? Seems like at best, it's just a hindrance.
>mfw there's people wasting their language memory brain space and living time in learning a barbaric, inefficient and useless language just to play a sub-par genre of vidya
instead of, you know, making some sort of internet group and pay unemployed japanese translators to translate pirated games for you? hmmm?
>>336897758
I find it very useful to see a human translation rather than a machine translation.
Gives me more understanding of how the words can be used, yet it's also easy to see where liberties are taken.
Since you're such a genius, why don't you literally translate "いただきます" for me, without changing the word, and having it make sense.
>>336888128
I learned kana, where do I start with grammar?
>>336897717
I still don't see it and I looked through the webm at least 5 times, am I missing something?
>>336898004
Very quickly skim over a text book and pick up the important shit, then don't worry about studying grammar any more.
Just read a lot of shit and the grammar will come over time.
>>336898005
"title" refers to metadata within the webm file that can be used to store a name.
there should be a button that says "title" to the right of the file name, after google and iqdb.
if for some reason your 4chan is fucked up and you don't have it, the title says "VIPER M3 3.2"
>>336898004
Tae Kim's Grammar Guide
>>336897971
"Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub!"
>>336898140
I actually don't have a title button there so thanks
>>336898253
That's the stuff.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A YOUTUBE LINK TO THE GAMESHOW WHERE JAPS TRY TO SAY ENGLISH WORDS TO ENGLISH SIRI iPHONE AND FAIL HARD AT IT
been looking for a long time.
>>336898404
I only have this.
>>336897918
Sounds like a retarded idea desu
![[gg] Macross Delta - 01 [E4E85FC6].mkv_snapshot_07.27_[2016.01.02_19.47.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3ajPjBM.jpg "[gg] Macross Delta - 01 [E4E85FC6].mkv snapshot 07.27 [2016.01.02 19.47.38]")
>>336898512
>no [gg]
>>336898653
I take that back, I'm dumb
>>336898512
The best is clearly obvious.
>>336898781
jesus christ they weren't joking
>>336889072
holy shit
>>336898884
Those aren't real subs, "duwang" refers to a notoriously awful translation of the original psrt 4 manga by a group of chinese kids for their English class or something. They translated the town's name as "duwang" when it should have been "morioh", for example.
>>336898781
>refers to the town as morioh not duwang
>>336888128
Can't you learn japanese without the kanji?
>>336899161
Can't you learn English without the roman alphabet?
>>336899293
イエス アイ スピーク ベリー グッド エングリシュ ドーンチュー アグリー?
>>336899293
I actually can, yes.
How else do you think illiterate people communicate?
>>336899293
You can learn to talk it. Like children do.
>>336898512
>tfw recently getting compulsive urges to make shitty duwang edits of shitty webcomics
啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊
>>336899161
オヴコースマイフレンド!
>>336899505
>>336899589
The point of this thread is learning a language to play games. Being able to speak but not read is useless.
>>336899381
I can't help but imagine Wakamoto's voice every time when I encounter long katakana strings.
>>336888347
>>336888128
I'm having an easy time with Kanji and vocabulary. It's all simple stuff, you just need to repeat.
Grammar on the other hand, feels like a fucking maze. It's not a simple matter of repetition, I have to understand every little concept and I feel completely lost sometimes. Specially because I have doubts and questions that I don't know who to ask, because /a/ is useless. If they don't judge your question to be worthy, they just troll you and shitpost.
ミーミーピックルピー!
ミーミーパンプアラム!
>>336888128
You aren't japanese and never will be.
Accept it.
>>336900023
本物の日本人ですけど!
>>336900023
do you even need to be japanese to play japanese games?
why can't you just learn the language just to play the games and not be a weeb at all?
>>336900109
>Wasn't born Mexican
>I'll never be able to enjoy tequila
Life is so unfair.
My brother is trying the thing mentioned earlier in this thread and plays pokémon. Very few kanji and gives a good feeling that you actually know a bit of japanese. The thing is that he seems like he could use something just a bit harder. With easy kanji used sometimes. Any recommendations for such games jap/v/?
>nep games have doerr meme localization
>Know jackshit about japanese but at least at minimum level know what they are talking about and cover the rest with assumption
>know better that way than reading the text
i really need to work on learning japanese
>>336900180
im not sure what the point is here but its ok anon
>>336900023
アイムソージャパニーズアイシットザーエンパラー
>>336900195
NISA stopped localizing Nep. The newest game is fine.
>tfw attractive, fit American make who is moving to Japan next summer for school and is losing motivation to learn Japanese.
Kill me
>two years in
>still struggle to read any VN
>>336900309
Wouldn't you learn Jap faster since you're living in an area where the language is native?
>>336900270
noire's translation kinda meh since they deliberately add in meme when there are none
it's very noticeable too if you use japanese dub, this one is very blatant
>>336900257
天皇陛下万歳 to you too Anon.
>>336900414
MegaDimension Nep is perfectly fine though.
一言言わないではいられなかった
Japan to English translation dictionary
>>336898404
It's Yama P no kiss, dude.
>tfw you werent born japanese
>tfw you will never get to play all the vn and eroges you want in your native language
>tfw you missed out on the japanese school life
KILL
ME
How do you look up unfamiliar Kanji in a dictionary if you don't know how to pronounce them?
>>336900380
I'm moving next summer so I just need to get to a level where I'm conversational but not fluent. I'm probably almost N4 now.
>>336900380
Nope. You will learn a language if it's important to you. Mudslimes who have lived in European countries for decades still can't speak the language, because they don't care.
>>336900618
I just hover over them with an OCR.
>>336900524
PC version this summer anon, cant wait
>>336900560
>be fat fuck in highschool
>missed out highschool life at all
>become anti social in university
>dead inside
>>336900618
There's this magical thing called the internet, these days. Even if you know literally nothing about the kanji other than general shape, you can draw it into Google Translate and it'll tell you what it is.
>>336900618
Don't Japanese dictionaries have some kind of way to find kanji by particles, I'd expect something like that to exist in the back. I only ever use software dictionaries because they have those features built in.
>>336900618
Radicals.
>>336900618
Use google translate drawing thing
It actually works most of the time
>態々
>wazawaza
Why japanese people
why won't japan just hurry up and ban japenese?
its such a shitty language, just english you fucking gooks
>>336900618
draw them into google translate
>>336900849
t.globalist jew
>>336900838
But you can learn that in literally half a second.
>>336900618
Radicals (jisho.org has this function)
Number of strokes
Trying to draw the kanji
If using internet or handling text files that you can copy pasta, there's a lot of programs like Rikaichan that shows the kanji's reading and English translation when hovering over it.
>>336900895
That's really cool, I had no idea you could do that.
>>336900187
Gundam Breaker 3, Danball Senki, Animal Crossing
>>336900560
my perspective is that it would probably be harder to learn burger as a rune speaker than learn runes as a burger speaker, and there's games exclusive to each language that i like
>>336900928
japenese is truly a terrible language
just hurry up and swap to english or get bombed again
>>336901064
Goldbergstein i'm onto you
>>336900560
Is school life that different from others?
I mean it cant actually be like it is in anime right?
I've never taken the time to look into it.
Is it awesome like Cromartie High?
>It's a "people pussyfoot around the best method of learning Japanese in favor of recommending people to watch anime or play videogames in Japanese to learn vocabulary" thread
Just do Anki core6k, Tae Kim and go on JET. If you want a job in Japan you need a VISA and given that most of you people are disgusting fat neckbeards you're not gonna convince some girl to marry you. You'll learn more Japanese by actually being in Japan than you will playing your 8 year old girl pissing simulators. If you don't want a job or to live in Japan then just do Anki and Tae Kim.
>>336901103
i am 100% pure aussie
i am just fucking sick of gooks speaking that shit tier language near me
>>336888128
You might as well quit then, if your not enjoying it you should just quit.
Also, if your just learning Japanese to play videogames, its not worth it. You still need to build up a vocabulary which takes years and years.
Also I bet your one of these shitty kids learning it for a day
>>336901037
I'd say learning English is easier, since I never really put any effort into it.
But Japanese is troublesome.
Pretty, but troublesome.- Not a native speaker of either
>>336901106
No man, it's just school. If anything is harder so they are always busy. Also it has more of a focus on clubs so mostly they are either working part time in high school or they are doing something like baseball or swimming.
Tests are also way more intense.
>>336901163
gooks actually go to places like ausland?
>>336889072
>ore
>female voice
>>336901220
English is only "easier" to be basically adept at because chances are you've been consuming some degree of English media prior to learning it.
>>336901306
That's sexy as fuck.
>>336888128
>learning japanese to play japanese games
thats the problem.
if you are only learning it to play videogames and japanese comics, then you have not a good motivation to do it, thus you feel its not worth doing it.
>>336901236
But are there rockstars, gorillas, robots and aliens?
Does anyone ride a horse to school?
>>336901291
yep
they are fucking everywhere here
stupid shits keep immigrating
don't fucking move to a country if you can't speak the national language ffs
ペルソナ5発売日前に、日本語に上手にならなきゃ!
俺様はあのクソ英語吹き替えに大人しく屈しねぇ!
俺様こそ、もっと上手になれる!
>>336901106
No dude, maybe the students have more respect for each other but I doubt it's that different.
I cant even find time to play all the translated games.
So i don't really have a reason to learn Japanese.
>studying Japanese since 2010
>living in Japan now
>can read pretty much anything I want fine
>easy access to anything
It's a good life. You'll never have it OP if you hate every second of learning Japanese. You're like those weeaboos in Japanese courses that give up in the middle of the first semester.
>>336901386
Sometimes anon. Sometimes.
>>336901106
Cromartie High School is the only realistic anime that was ever made
hey anons anyone everyone done any translating/transcribing here?
i want to get a bunch of lewd audio translated but pretty much no one does it
how hard is it?
>>336901483
Where did you go for grammar? Genki? Tae Kim? Imabi?
What did you do with the questions you inevitably has when learning grammar? Who did you take them to?
>>336901515
Its true
>>336901483
>You're like those weeaboos in Japanese courses that give up in the middle of the first semester.
This
OP's reasons for learning a language are silly too, I mean videogames? Do you even like how Japanese sounds? How it looks?
>>336901220
I agree, but English is only easy because it's used literally everywhere you go and taught in all civilized countries, so you don't have to put in that much effort and can learn more just through consumption of different media. Grammar wise it's much more complex and has many irregularities compared to Japanese.
>>336901483
You living in Tokyo?
>move to Japan in 2013
>do my one year of mandatory JET Visa mining
>get offered a job at multinational company in 2014
>now making 2.5x the national full time average wage working with whiteys
>will be doing work for the Olympics in 2020 if I stay at the business
>>336901315
I have, yes.
When I was a kid, we only had Cartoon Network in English, so we watched that.
Some of us actually picked up a lot from it.
I've been watching anime for a long time, but actually learning the language still seems hard.
I could say they could consume English media too, though they are less likely to, since they have plenty of their own.
>>336901315
Not that guy, but I disagree. I've been consuming English and Japanese media for pretty much all my conscious life, but English was the only language I was able to learn fluently without spending hundreds of hours actively studying. I consider English to be easier because you can learn it just by interacting with it, whereas the same can only be said of listening to and speaking Japanese.
There is no real way to just casually learn all the kanji you need.
>>336901413
上手の出来ない。残念。
>>336901579
aaaaah = aaaaah
kimochiiiiii = aaaaah
ikuuuuu = aaaaah
There, translated everything in your lewd audios for you.
>>336901579
ever*
also why the fuck does no one make stuff in english/japenese
like jap devs who can speak both languages yet don't bother with english. wtf
>>336901413
ペルソナ5はだめですけど次のゲームのために学ばなければならないです。
>>336901582
>Where did you go for grammar?
Custom textbooks written by the native Japanese teacher at my university.
>What did you do with the questions you inevitably has when learning grammar? Who did you take them to?
To him.
But even if you don't have access to something like this, there are tons of those "ask a native" websites out there, aren't they?
>>336901646
2000 Kanji isn't that much mate and most compounds are basic shit.
>>336901656
not these types
they are lewdfemdom/joiaudios
>>336901648
What does that say? Baka gaijin?
>>336901595
>OP's reasons for learning a language are silly too, I mean videogames?
I learned Japanese for eroge and passed JLPT N1. As long as you're motivated it doesn't matter what the underlying reason is, I too had shit of a time initially before actually getting to read stuff I was interested in.
>>336901483
>>336901595
If being a weeaboo keeps you from sticking with it then how come you made it?
Youre clearly the most weeb since you moved to live in glorious nippon land since you obviously curse your birthland for not being japan
>>336901306
Using 'ore-sama' as her personal pronoun is the single sexiest trait a girl can have.
>>336901741
Yes.
I know someone in real life with a misspelled Japanese tattoo and I don't have the heart to say anything about it.
>>336901741
Exactly.
>>336901714
You can find a lot of sites on the Internet.
Heck you can go to nico nico where there are several channels of gaijins or Japanese learning Japanese/English whatever.
>>336901656
>kimochiiii = feels so goooood
>ikuuuuu = i'm comiiiing
nigga they different
>>336901727
It's far harder than not doing anything special and just accidentally learning the language while watching/playing/reading.
>>336888128
learn chinese, its a bit easier, more useful and most japanese games get a really good chinese translation in almost no time.
>>336901664
Most devs can't speak both languages past a few set phrases, and almost no writers can even manage that. Just knowing 2 languages doesn't mean you're a translator.
>>336901812
Dumb anon. Ikuuuuu means "I'm goiiiiing"
So I was watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg
What is the deal? How come natives can't even write Kanji
>>336897918
>language memory space
6 languages and counting nigga
>>336901765
I live in Europe, I hate Japanese culture, I just like their language, how it looks, how it sounds. Where did you even get the idea I'm a pathetic weeb who wants to live in Japan while I live in one of the most comfortable country in the world.
>>336901765
Not that guy, but I moved to Japan because it isn't overrun by disgusting subhuman whiteys and mudslimes, doesn't drown itself with migrants and it's extremely safe crime wise. The Olympics are coming up in 2020, too. Even if you don't plan to stick it out in Japan, having worked in a high quality business overseas is one of the most invaluable things you can have on your resume.
>>336901823
Literally all you have to do is make it to a basic level of competency and you can do the exact same thing.
The only difference is that you need to know a few more words.
>>336901883
Because they forget it,just like here in the west some people forget how to read or write.
>>336901883
Can Americans spell?
>>336901840
Some anon posted a ten post rant about why you shouldn't learn Chinese and I wish I had saved it.
In short, working with Chinese business is hell.
>>336901881
God damn it I have no clue why I'm laughing so hard at this
>>336901883
Because it's 2016 and handwriting shit isn't a requirement. You just need to know how to write shit down at the postal office, everything else is done on the phone/laptop.
>>336901883
On what occassions do they need to nowadays?
>>336901883
Past school, there's very little reason to.
Writing and recognition are 2 very different skill sets, it's the reason why you can read perfectly but occasionally misspell words.
>>336901962
>Forget how to read or write
Nigga what
>>336901883
its the same as cursive
shits dead
going the same way as writing in general
i literally haven't used a pen/pencil in 10 years
>>336901702
しょうがねな。
俺様はまだ輸入するつもり。
クソ吹き替えを聞くより、筋をあまりわかんねぇのほうがいい。
>>336901840
>chinese
>its a bit easier
The only "a bit easier" part of Chinese is that the ideograms only have one way to pronounce them. In return, you have to learn additional 1000 symbols in order to gain basic user skills, and distinguishing all the sounds and tones is extremely difficult for a non-native speaker.
>>336902098
shut up you king eight egg
>>336902034
If you had to use kanji, you might forget some of it too...
>>336901883
Because it's hard to remember 1000's of those fucking characters even if your a adult Japanese.
Every once in a while its common for them to forget how to write a kanji.
>>336901932
Yeah, and you need to learn those words and symbols through active studying at first, making it harder than learning English.
I have literally never sat down to learn English words in my life. I do so multiple hours a day for Japanese despite being able to understand and speak it quite well.
I actually really like kanji and think they're fucking interesting, but pretending the language isn't more of a chore to learn because of them is absolute bullshit.
>>336893815
japanese was a spoken language to begin with, you can learn the spoken language though you'll miss out on some puns and shit, not like that matters
>>336901741
>Fuck yeah, new tattoo! Always wanted to get a tattoo in JP but I wanted to do it in Japan. Meaning: Omnipotent god.
>That's not what it means though.
>HUEHUEHUEHUE. Darling, it was made in Tokyo by a Japanese, it can't be wrong!
>But it's still not what it means.
>What does it mean then mr. big pants?
>Stupid foreigner.
>>336902093
頑張れ 名無しさん
>>336900414
>mfw the self insert faggots dialogue
i might have to skip every text box in the game just so i dont accidently read of any his shit
i would rather play PP in english
>>336897918
>Language memory brain space
There is no such thing.
>>336901980
I gotchu senpai
https://desustorage.org/his/thread/826095/#827861
>>336902138
>someone makes a Japan/Japanese thread
>easy 200 replies
>everyone is a fucking Japanese culture expert
Kekking every time.
>>336901513
My dumb town had a day for people ride to school on tractors.
Fuck that day and fuck whoever thought that was a good idea.
>Lets just slow everyone on the road down with a fuck ton of tractors, nobody has places to be
>>336902093
If I ever saw a fat white guy use 俺様 in real life, I'd cringe pretty hard.
>>336902151
Is PP actually bad? The opnly thing I love more than Neptunia is idolshit.
>>336902202
That's the stuff.
Thanks.
>>336902230
lel
>speaking formal Japanese as a foreigner
>ever
You seriously get ridiculed if you do this unless you literally talking to the emperor of Japan.
>>336902230
>be ashamed of yourself
is google right?
why can't translators work right
>>336902205
僕は超日本語の文化の名人だぜ。
>>336902230
俺様はやせてるけど。
>>336902292
I agree. You're going to sound stupid no matter what so you might as well have fun with it.
>tfw hardcore cajin Louisiana accent
>tfw trying to speak Japanese
Oh dear this is not right
>>336902258
It is.
Shallow gameplay
Everyone's out of character
Even crappier than usual translation
Beta fuck self-insert which may be a good thing depending on your taste
わかりません
>>336902330
Don't lie.
>>336902394
The only moon speak you need to know how to say.
>>336902292
THIS.
It's like any Mexican trying to speak Old English
>>336901812
Inevitably it's all include in the "aaaah" meaning. People scream aaah when it feels good and they do so when they are cumming.
Just translate everything to aaah and your stupid eroge will still make the same sense.
>>336902230
Ever using it not ironically is retarded as fuck, doesn't matter if you're jacked and attractive or fat and incompetent. It's like spergy stick men that use 俺 because they think people will call them cool, so many white people think that Japanese people going OH GOOD GOOD GOOD JAPANESE actually means something.
>>336902292
>speaking formal Japanese as a foreigner
>ever
Spotted the sperg who doesn't live in Japan. People are going to think you're a Grade A super retard if you come up to them and start speaking like a cartoon character.
>>336902315
>超
Kek.
>>336902404
うそじゃねぞ、あんちゃん。
OREWA
CHINCHIN O DAISUKI
>>336902364
Shut up and give us some more Tsuyu then
>>336902315
>using だぜ after fucking 僕
How's N4 treating you?
Hey guys, recommend me a book like Genki that's easier and doesn't start using shitty kanas and ganas and kanjis. Basically I want to learn all the grammer with romanji so I can start understanding anime and start reading visual novels with VNReader transcribing everything to romanjis, and then later I might learn the ganas and maybe 10 years later even try the kanjis lol
>>336902439
Who gives a fuck what they think? As long as they understand you and you learn to speak slang they don't give a fuck. They will NEVER EVER consider you a genuine Japanese guy anyway, EVER.
>>336900195
>>nep games have doerr meme localization
They got rid of him already since rebirth 3.
>>336902524
You forgot 日本語の文化, man. Just noticed it.
>>336902483
消えうせろ、メアリー。
>>336902292
If I ever learn Japanese I'll learn to speak like an ojousama does so I can kashira~ and desuwa~ all the time.
>>336902553
>consider you a genuine Japanese guy anyway
what? weebs is not just a meme someone actually wants that?
>>336902537
If you can't learn to read Hiragana, Katakana and basic Kanji you're never going to learn the language.
>>336902553
>who gives a fuck what they think?
People that live in the country and aren't poo poo pee pee /r9k/ tier autists that do the linguistic equivalent of beating your chest like a gorilla and belching. Not being a Japanese person doesn't factor into it, not being a gigantic embarrassment who nobody will associate themselves with should be enough to stop somebody from sperging out.
>>336902439
Spotted THAT one guy
How many friends and people you hang out in Japan, on average?
>>336902684
You hang out with*
>>336902202
So, which language should I learn?
Genki has the deepest lore
someone say something lewd in japenese to me
>>336902684
People from work: 10-12 when we get drinks after work each day.
Girlfriend, her sister and brother, her circle of about 4 friends and then about 20 of my friends I made while on exchange last year. Out of that 39/40, only a couple I don't see on the regular so to round down probably 35?
>>336902553
I bet you're American/Brit/German/Swede or some other shit like that.
They're always so insufferable in Japan. I have some in my accomodation house and they're so fucking loud at night. I hope someone Japanese that lives nearby call police one day.
It's crazy how quiet residental areas of Tokyo are at night. It only makes loud faggots stand out more.
>>336902678
>memes memes memes /r9k/
Bruh, Japanese people don't care if you speak formal or not. They will laugh at you either way. Its the same in EVERY country in the world.
>>336902818
中出しの喜び
>>336889659
>Game industry is dead
>Idol industry is booming
>practice writing in Japanese
>completely disregard stroke order
Call the cops, I don't give a fuck.
>>336902865
>joy of pies
pretty lewd
>>336902853
How about you go outside and tell them to shut up you limp wristed faggot?
Seriously.
>>336902860
are you stupid or never met a foreigner?
I freaking applaud inside whenever I hear someone try to speak my language.
>>336902860
Like I said, you don't live in Japan. I bet you haven't even completed N3. People will laugh at you for speaking like a cartoon character but if you're able to competently speak the language, which is easy if you don't get your vocabulary study from anime, they'll speak to you normally.
Sounds like you got laughed at for saying some mongoloid Japanese.
>>336902952
>joy of pies
Best slang for creampies in Japanese is depth charges.
>>336902981
I bet you love those Syrian refugees then
>>336902952
>Vaginal cum shot Mr. of joy
man spacing this shit out does some weird stuff
why can't japan have a normal language?
Remember to do your wanikani reps today!
>>336902818
私はあなたのおっぱいマンコでセックスしたい
>>336902818
また早漏
やべ
>>336903014
>Like I said, you don't live in Japan. I bet you haven't even completed N3. People will laugh at you for speaking like a cartoon character but if you're able to competently speak the language, which is easy if you don't get your vocabulary study from anime, they'll speak to you normally.
>Sounds like you got laughed at for saying some mongoloid Japanese.
Not him, but who is talking about speaking like a cartoon character?
>>336903014
People will laugh at you either way. Trust me. As if you go around telling Japanese you earned your 'N3'.
>>336903065
>paying for a limited version of anki
>>336903021
don't have them
>>336903065
Do people actually use Wanikani? It's ridiculously slow.
>>336902960
You think I didn't? But shitheads like you don't stop just because someone tells them to. If they cared about others, they wouldn't be loud in the first place.
>>336903065
Get out
>>336902981
>Claps internally
You're a true American patriot anon.
>>336903014
>depth charges.
>>336903136
Maybe you should ask them to shut up again you passive faggot.
>>336900560
>>tfw you missed out on the japanese school life
>He actually fell for the biggest meme of your time
ROR
>>336903090
If you're saying shit like 俺様 as a dumpy white boy people are going to wonder why you're talking like a cartoon character. Nobody says that shit and if they do they're from some gutter zone where people speak filth, or they're saying it as a joke.
>>336903105
>As if you go around telling Japanese you earned your 'N3'.
I don't have N3, I have N1.
>>336903148russian
>>336903072
>Alsopremature ejaculation
>Yabe
what's yabe mean?
>>336903068
>tits pussy
pretty lewd
>>336903090
あ、この完完璧わまり俺様のことだと思う。
>>336902950
>there are people that actually give a fuck about stroke order
>>336903317
>replying in Japanese
how weeb can you get
>>336903207
Instead I'm planning to wait some time, wake up at 4 in the morning, call home, be loud enough to wake faggots up and say I need to call at 4 am cause time zone differences if they complain.
You know, revenge is sweeter than just complaining.
>>336903373
I bet you'd get a Nip complaining about you instead this way.
>THat feel when you speak perfect japanese with most natural accent ever in your own head
>>336903138
Either put that kanji in your head or the crabgator puts it in your butt.
>>336903347
Try hards do
>>336903373
You should plan to harden up instead of being a coward
>>336903373
>Being a passive-aggressive faggot
lol
No wonder they walk over you like that.
>>336903317
しくじった!
「完璧きわまり」と痛かったんだ。
>>336903248
You sure he is not just fishing? He is probably laughing now cuz he caught one.
Everyone learning Japanese for more than a week realizes they need to pass all the cartoon stuff through a filter before even thinking about using it.
>>336903138
why can't I have all lessons available at the start?
>>336903373
>waa waa waa white people still bullly me after moving all the way to Japan!! waa!
Perfect
>>/int/
>>/jp/
>>336903528
>I fucked up again
Okay, I give up.
>learned to read/write Spanish in 9 months to buff my resume
>just watch dubbed anime and play Pokemon in Spanish with it because Spanish media is shit
Fuck.
>tfw when spic
>tfw when Japanese and Spanish share pronunciation which made everything 10 times easier
You Englishman have it really hard with your backwards this is written like this but it's pronounced in a different way because fuck you.
>>336903538
That filter should be "literally never use this in a real conversation".
>>336903528
これを読むことは俺に痛かった。
>>336903601
Euros and Spics have it way easier than Anglo's yeah.
>>336903601
I guess when the walls done you can move to japan with all your trade skills and education huh spic
Are Japanese really that racist?
Do they only treat you well if you are a blonde 2 meter tall /fit/ blue eyed guy?
What about niggers or spics?
>>336903597
>Spanish media is shit
Try those crazy soap operas.
>>336903667
やんのか?
>>336903601
Man, I really fucked up this post. I need to sleep.
>>336903709
I already live in America my English friend.
>>336903601
This is why I loved learning Spanish, coming from English. Everything is pronounced exactly as it's written and if a conjugation would break that rule, it's changed. Also, because I read so many books in English and have a strong vocabulary pool, I recognize a good half of the words and am able to relate them to an English equivalent. God bless your easy as fuck language, my friend.
>>336903601
>>tfw when spic
>>336903729
They probably don't care at all if you just behave like a normal human being.
Just don't expect them to be nice just because your a foreigner.
>>336903729
They will treat you well and may even become your buddy.
But you'll never become one of them, and even after living there for 20 years you remain a gaijin who's banned from most of the good circles and clubs.
>>336903601
>tfw when spic
That meant to be a good thing?
>>336891565
From what I've heard, the Japanese salaryman lifestyle only sucks for the Japanese. As a foreigner, no one expects you to keep up with the societal norms, including in the workplace.
>>336903856
>good circles and clubs.
Like what?
>>336903626
Not really. Not everything said in cartoons in "cartoonized", you just need to understand what is fucking cartoon speak and what is legit.
>>336903729
As long as you aren't a sperg you can do anything besides go into politics or easily own a business (but you can't really easily own a business anywhere). Just don't be a sperg, don't talk about how you're in Japan because you love yuh animayz and munguh and you'll be fine. Go do JET, get your mandatory 1 year of work so you can get a work VISA then look into some better jobs.
>>336904290
Lots of clubs, bars, onsen, public bath, and so on are pureblood japanese only.
>>336901962
>here in the west some people forget how to read or write.
I have literally never heard of or imagined this happening. Does it happen often in America?
>>336901515
But anon...Cromartie manga >>>>>>> anime
What is written on this gravestone
>>336904410
>onsen, public bath
Aw man, really?
>>336904492
In Dutch its pretty common to make grammar mistakes even for adults.
Though forgetting how to write a word is pretty fucking stupid. Kanji is different though.
>>336904290
>>336904410
By "lots" he means if you go to some bumfuck hick part of Japan they won't let you get in their bath. Clubs aren't going to not let you in unless you're hammered or dressed like a dumbass.
>>336904526
Well, not all of them. Of course, those that accept everyone tend to have a lot of loud tourists, instead of giving you the experience you were looking for.
>>336904492
once you start using a computer and a phone
writing becomes obsolete
you still know how to read its just the writing gets fucked, not to mention auto correct
>>336904410
Wait I can understand some clubs and baths but bars? Why?
>>336904507
what
>>336904612
Pretty sure there are Japan only bars, but the main reason for those are they actually don't mind white people, they just don't want Koreans or Chinese in their bars.
>>336904507
That's correct.
>>336890793
>defending a stranger from verbal abuse
Who are you? Kenshiro??
>>336904728
Nobody cares about Koreans or Chinese people going to bars either, like I said, you're only going to see this in bumfuck hick places. It's like saying "oh yeah if you're Asian you can't do anything in America because all of these bars and clubs are whites only". It's just not true.
>>336904507
N-nani?!!
>>336904649
>Listen to San Fran based gaming podcast
>SJW goes on vacation to Japan
>Accidentally visits a JK bar
Funny story actually.
>>336904829
>It's like saying "oh yeah if you're Asian you can't do anything in America because all of these bars and clubs are whites only"
Because America and Japan totally have the same cultures amirite?
I learned the kana but then got sick for a week and then just kinda stopped.
>>336904829
Nah, nah you can find those bars in shinjuku or kabukicho too, or any other place in Japan. They're probably not that common anymore though.
Japanese nationalistic people are not your average hicks though, you dumbass.
>>336904492
The average American literally never reads a book once they finish high school (and likely just used SparkNotes there). Many people do not know how to spell many important words. As a teacher's aide in university I quickly realized that even the people in college were terrible at spelling and grammar.
Man, hiragana only words are so much harder to memorize than kanji/mixed words.
A friendly reminder that 90% of the translations are trash, and you will never truly experience all those vidya, animu and VNs unless you learn Japanese.
>>336904916
>JK bar
ha, who was it? Was was the reaction?
>>336905009
i haven't read any books since highschool
whats the point
books are snoozefests compared to games
>>336904916
JK bar?
>>336904943
They aren't the same culture, but Japan isn't banning Chinese and Korean people from any reputable establishment. This is just conjecture somebody heard from some first year Japanese culture class.
>>336904995
Nobody is going to these stink establishments, I've lived here for 6 years and I've been all over and have literally never not been allowed into an onsen, bar or club. I seriously doubt you've ever lived anywhere in Japan.
>>336905150
High school girls.
>>336889981
>2 years
It is more like 7 years, to really use japanese fluently.
>>336904829
>hick places!! haha !! theyre dumb because they don't like foreigners
oh god here we go
Japanese people HATE Koreans and vice versa.. Ofcourse there are Koreans and Japanese that can hang out like normal people but generally, nah. Not happening.
>>336905107
He just sat there awkwardly with his friend, ordered a couple of drinks and left. He had no idea what it was or why the staff were so annoyed with his behavior until he left.
guys is gyaru/ganguro dead?
i reallly wanna fuck one
>>336905227
Link?
>>336905297
This was a while ago, it'd take me too long to find it.
>>336905179
>I doubt you ever lived in Japan
You should stop using that as an argument desu since its irrelevant. You don't have to live in Japan to know there are Japan only places, it's common knowledge.
>>336905185
This is what genki students actually believe.
>>336888128
>japanese actually useful for my line of work
>have tons japs friends
>download all material I could find
>spend several months
Still zero. Fuck fuck fuck.
>>336905221
>I learned everything about japan from proxies and english teachers on /pol/
wow how can I be as informed as you
>>336905540
You can download 1021 gigs of Japanese learning books but the first you should do is simply learn Hiragana/Katakana which shouldn't that take long if you spend an hour a day for a few weeks.
>>336905408
>it's irrelevant
No, it isn't. I live in Japan and get my information from modern day Japan. It's like when spergs repeat the mantra of LE NAIL GETS HAMMERED DOWN when the reality is, nobody but people in their 40/50's give a fuck about conformity.
>>336905221
No, old Japanese people hate Koreans. People in University could not give less of a fuck and if you go to any class, you're going to find a ton of them. The only time a Korean is going to have problems is if they're beholden to some old Japanese fag landlord.
>>336905674
>I live in Japan!! Trust me!
Ok bruh you can drop the act now.
>>336905768
I would rather trust him than a board of random weebs that get all of their information from anime and video games.
>>336905768
Yeah, we should trust the guy who did a cursory Google search of "will people hate me in Japan".
>>336905637
I memorized all Hiragana and Katakana after several days. But past that, just meh.
Stupid grammar rules, thousands of kanjis. It feels like... imposing and I'm not sure how whether it is a waste of time or not.
English is my 2nd language btw.
>>336905221
American people HATE Japanese and vice versa..
Just look at this image, if you're Japanese and you go to America, you're going to get lynched.
Most Japs don't give a shit about Korea.
>>336905674
don't waste your time, this entire fucking site has a hard-on for japs and will instantly believe any "information" a bakauyo with a flag or stupid gaijin with a proxy spouts on /int/ or /pol/
>>336905951
Hey anon, do you honestly think early/mid 20's Americans are going to give a fuck about Pearl Harbor?
Just download Rosetta Stone, that's how I learned
>>336906087
Obviously not. That was my point.
>>336905951
>not recognizing american banter
>>336888128
>learned Japanese just enough so i can read hentai
>no more "lolicon" where it should be "pedo"
Nice
>>336906170
>not recognizing jap banter
帰れ、くそ韓国人
Just to make it clear, white foreigners are welcome in Japan. Corean, Chinese and 害黒人 are not.
>>336906414
Nobody besides old faggots care about Koreans, young people hate Chinese people but generally will be friends with them if they aren't retards anyway.
>black people
Black people are fine too, unless they're standing out the front of a nightclub asking you questions.
>>336906309
>帰れ
Wow that's rude!
>>336904507
ToJ
>>336903347
>>336902950
And then someday you want to read something written, not typed and you're fucked
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そのまま”出なくなるまで搾精”ッ!
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>>336906929
I can't learn japanese
>>336906719
Not them, but how does stroke order affect your capacity to read written kanji? I know the stroke order for most of the kanji I know and I don't see the relation.
>>336906929
what?
>>336903065
>wanikani
Literally worst language on Earth.
All right, I know hiragana and I'm halfway done with Katakana. Know few of the essentials kanji and some meaning of words and expressions. What do I do after finishing katakana? /a/ isn't helpful at all
>>336907134
Because - and it's the same with our alphabet - people don't write characters perfectly. See realkana.com for example.
Knowing the stroke order let you infer what is really written.
>>336907406
why can't they be like normal people and use letters instead of weird word shit
>>336907464
You need grammar, of course.
Do Genki 1-2
>>336907464
That particular question is actually answered by simply reading their guide, so it makes sense that they would not help you with it.
That being said, they don't help with anything regardless, so just get the guide and don't return there.
>>336906929
what even is this
my google translate shat itself when i tried this
>>336907517
>people don't write characters perfectly
Yes, but I don't see what stroke order has to do with it. Maybe if you are talking about stroke types, such as fade out and all that shit, but merely their order? It doesn't make sense.
>>336907406
Beginner here:
For what reason would you read it in a way other than the second?
I see "Cat who ate a read headed fish."
>>336907134
it's mostly a strained ad hoc excuse given by elitist weeblords or clueless intermediates
the main point of stroke order is to make you write cleanly, consistently, and quickly
You write things exactly the same way every time instead of drawing little gay pictures and being an embarrassment to anyone watching
Shitty handwriting isn't magically legible just because you can write 淵 correctly, even japs can't read chickenscratch
>>336907693
Because all 5 ways of parsing the sentence is legal, since the grammar rules allow for a lot of freedom in word order.
>>336907693
Because you're making a confusing image to discourage newbies
Top would be like
頭が赤い、魚を食べた猫。
And even then you probably wouldn't say it that way
2 and 3 make no sense
The general organizational pattern is big/vague to small/specific
>>336907807
>>336907693
Basically the language is complete garbage
learning anything other than English is a waste of your time.
>>336907954
But English is the single worst language ever.
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/english-pronunciation.html
>>336907807
But why would you read it differently?
[head is red fish] ate by cat.
Anything else seems dumb to me.
>>336904184
Surely, there are worse fates than being a spic...
>>336907662
The various stroke types are a direct consequence of the order. Write a k for example. Each time you start a stroke, the line will be thicker than where you finish it.
>>336908057
Because you can. Which leads to ambiguity.
>>336908131
I see.By this I mean I have eyesight, but I don't understand what you're saying.
>>336889715
agreed
>>336908172
basically the language is fucking garbage
it needs to be modernized
but to do that we would need to kill everyone over 25~
japan would die overnight sadly
>>336907134
A jap will never be able to read something a doctor wrote if he never learned how to write our alphabet.
>>336888775
>but I wouldn't do it again.
Good thing you don't have to I guess? You basically recommended only doing it once, which should be the only time you need to.
>>336908110
Stroke types are not a direct consequence of the order. If a certain stroke is a fade out for instance, it's order has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Are you like repeating something you heard from someone else?
>>336908359
>doctor
>handwriting
lmao what kinda fucking doctor you seeing?
my doc for the past 15 years has had a mini printer
>baka gaijin thinks he can learn Japanese
笑止千万
>>336908468
>
Highly ridiculous
>>336908131
I understand that sentences are flexible, but that statement clearly (to me at least) has a clause modifying the word fish and a clause modifying the word cat.
Assuming that 'head' is the subject of the sentence rather than 'cat' seems like it would take a major leap.
>>336908415
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "stroke types" then. Can you give me an example ?
>>336902884
>idol industry is booming
That industry hurts my soul, though.
Same with host clubs, holy shit. That shit is soul destroying. Honestly Japan has a lot facets to it that are down right depressing. But I guess that's why they produce so much entertainment and what not.
>>336908571
stroke types are just autistic shit no one has uses in over 20 years
>>336908359
>a jap will never be able to read english if he never learned the alphabet
wowzers that's fucking mindblowing
>>336908443
He has one too. But that faggot will annotate what he prints every time making it a pain to decipher for most people.
>>336908358
Complaining about a language because it contains a bit of ambiguity is the stupidest shit you could possibly do.
Let's face it, we both know that the only reason you cry about this shit is because you saw some kanji once and ran away crying, so you have to come up with bullshit reasons why you're incapable of learning them.
>>336908536
Look at that cat eating fish
a) a cat is eating a fish
b) it's a cat-eating fish
Same thing.
>>336908650
explain
>>336908650
>Japan has industries where females dominate and are highly important
America could learn a thing or two.
>>336908681
learning the alphabet != learning how to write it you fagget
So many weebshits. Jesus what jappend to this board?
>>336908692
get a new doctor
>>336908727
japenese is a fucking garbage language
good thing it will be dead in less than one hundred years
than fuck japs aren't having slanty eyed beta children
>learning a dying language just so you can boast on 4chan about playing children's games and watching cartoons in Japanese
>>336907954
Natural languages in whole are fucking garbage.
t. someone who had some experience in NLP long ago
>>336908847
Having fewer children is better than being bred out of your homeland by muslims.
>>336889042
A job that he won't get because the Japanese prioritizes their own. He would be pigeonholed to only teach English and be miserable about it, he'll just be a token immigrant.
Why do weebs do these to themselves. Why don't they off themselves.
>>336908650
>That industry hurts my soul
?????
>learning japanese
>language and vidya will be dead by the time I finish
CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T
>>336908770
Piss off Anita
>>336908773
point me to a single person who learned the alphabet without being able to write it
>>336908732
The answer is "b" otherwise your sentence would be "Look at that cat, eating fish."
I'm not good at writing moon but I guess 猫を食べてる魚?
>>336908935
There are lots of jobs where skilled western workforce is welcome. For example Japs can't code for shit.
A good software engineer is literally treated as a wizard in Japan.
>>336908847
>get a new doctor
Nah, he's good enough and close to where I live. I'm also able to read what he writes, so that's not a problem for me senpai
>>336908980
>>language and vidya will be dead by the time I finish
Sure, if it takes 300 years for you to learn the language.
>>336908923
your culture and language dying is much worse
good thing they were both so shit
>>336909118
There are more kanji in the japanese language than seconds until the estimated heat death of the universe
>>336908803
It's always been a weeb board for weebs on a weeb website made for weebs by a weeb.
>>336909216
>tfw humanity may not stop/overcome the heat death of the universe
it scares me desu
>>336909054
Except weebs can't work jobs for shit nor have any work ethic. So you are going to learn code which already takes a while, learn the language which on average is 2-3 years, have to learn the culture and intricacies, just so you can jack off to anime? If anything I would do all that because you would generally love Japanese culture, not because of one of their entertainment sections. I hope you weebs aren't this fucking retarded.
Matter of fact, if you fags are going there, at least learn how to write stories, Japs can't write good plots/story/narratives to save their lives.
>>336909185
>Japan is burning the weird parts of their culture for the 2020 Olympics
They'll start making depraved porn again afterwards, right... right?
>>336909289
>Japs can't write good plots/story/narratives to save their lives.
You think this because very few of the good VNs and LNs have been translated, and even those are badly done.
>>336909291
nope
loli/shota will become illegal
you will never ever see another cute boy/girl get mind broken again
>>336909289
Done coding during university, learned jap on the side. Now living in japan, fapping to lolige every day and absolutely loving it.
>>336900560
Is the girl in that one pic near the center getting diddled?
>playing Youkai Watch to practice my reading
>understand all the dialogues
>gameplay is boring as fuck
SMT IV Final language was way more challenging and it also had a horrible font and no furigana, yet it was still more enjoyable because I genuinely cared about the game itself.
>>336909289
>Except weebs can't work jobs for shit nor have any work ethic.
moreover, you don't get hired by a japanese company in the first place unless you can already work
>have to learn the culture and intricacies
No one expects that from a gaijin, especially someone who doesn't handle clients. If you are a foreigner you will never be "on the inside," there's no point in trying to be.
If you're fluent and have a good personality, you will get the bar lowered so far it'll hit bedrock. I only use keigo when there's someone I don't know in the room, because fuck extra effort.
>>336910379
That's why I play Idolm@ster to practice.
>>336910758
Gonna try that, I guess.
I really wish most of the language wasn't done by verb conjugation. I have never seen such a ridiculously huge number of different verb conjugations in any other language.
Why not just say you want to? Nope, gotta conjugate the verb to a want to form. Why not just say you must? Nope, gotta conjugate the verb to a must form.
FUCK YOU
>>336909278
Chillax, bro. You and I will be gone when that happens, not our problem.
>>336911141
>eat
>ate
>>336911318
That's not even near the number of different conjugations JP has. Not even in the same fucking league.
>>336902364
Why do I want to fertilize this frog's eggs?
>>336911141
Try a language with declension.
>>336902364
Who is this girl posted so often and why is she popular all of a sudden?
>>336911141
Is this your first foreign language?
Japanese has a fairly low amount of conjugation. Most European languages are far worse.
Japanese also doesn't conjugate by number, person or sex.
>>336911680
Forth. After English, Spanish and Portuguese.
>>336911680
>sex
This holy shit fuck French.
>>336911764
>learned two languages with grammatical gender
>still complains about bullshit
>>336911764
So you basically know 2 piss easy grammar systems. No wonder Japanese overwhelms you.
>>336911141
There are only like 10 conjugations in Japanese.
You're not being a complete moron and counting all the masu-stem/te-form + aux constructs as separate, right?
>>336911934
There are but two genders anon. However, if you must conjugate, for instance, to express "want" then you have "to want" as one conjugation, "wanted" as another, "did want" as another and then "didn't want" as another.
"To want" alone already overrides the oh so difficult matter of 2 whole genders. Two (2).
>>336911141
>I really wish most of the language wasn't done by verb conjugation.
You should avoid French then, it's fucking horrible, learning the words alone is a fucking chore, even adults still do a lot of spelling mistakes meanwhile I rarely see anyone doing spelling mistakes when writing English.
>>336912250
Where is the たい?
>>336911141
Petit joueur.
>>336912363
You add たい to the masu-stem. BAM.
>>336912334
Who cares about French? It's like a worldwide joke that the French are faggots.
>>336912251
lol
you're so fucking ingrained in your ridiculous anthropomorphic language you don't even know what aspect of grammatical gender I'm criticizing
in the end it just boils down to "new things are hard"
>>336912334
>meanwhile I rarely see anyone doing spelling mistakes when writing English.
good on you for never reading a comment section on anything written anywhere ever
>>336912538
Then what are you criticizing then? I'm curious. I legitimately don't see how can gender be an issue, so enlighten me.
>>336912450
This list is heavily bloated by a lot of very simple grammar points that are basically nothing more than just slapping a helping noun/verb/adjective/adverbs at the end of the original verb.
That's no rocket science.
>>336888128
ganbare
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