Can anyone here actually tell me why they don't like overwatch?
I see a lot of hate but whenever I ask them why they don't like it I don't get a reply more than two worss
Feels like I'm talking to 5 year olds sometimes
Well it is a game made for 5 year olds.
>>336801369
why do you need validation from others?
you could just enjoy in on your own.
>>336801369
>I see a lot of hate but whenever I ask them why they don't like it I don't get a reply more than two worss
>Feels like I'm talking to 5 year olds sometimes
welcome to /v/
It's shit
>>336801525
I just want to know why people don't like it. I don't know why /v/ acts like having to explain their hatred is the hardest thing in the world.
>>336801369
the game is a bit simplistic
can you tell me why you do like overwatch? I've only seen people say it's fun
>>336801369
It's a good and fun game but it's getting to much hype for what it is. If it wasn't made by Blizzard then it wouldn't be seen so highly. People also play it too competitively
>>336801463
Name one multiplayer FPS which isn't made for 5 year olds
I literally played Doom multiplayer in 1995 when I was 5 years old
>>336801369
needs more game modes
i'd like arena if possible
the ult system needs to be rethought. it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you should get for free and it shouldn't carry over between lives. i can see it being an issue for people who want to play seriously.
>>336801463
Sorry, it seems you think this is a Battleborn thread.
The media has made average people and posters fucking STUPID in this decade. So yes you are.
Tried it yesterday and I kinda like it, but it's going to get boring fast as fuck. There's no content and you've seen everything you can do in an hour. There's practically no skill ceiliing, all characters move really slow and the balance is strange. Not many objectives and most maps are a corridor so alternative ways of doing the objective don't exist. Most abilities seem like they do nothing really, just damage and more damage and that's it; the utility of them is borked and doesn't seem there. Maybe it will get balanced and fleshed out with the time.
But what i actually really displiked are the efects and the sounds. It's like you're fighting with nerf weapons. You're not in a firefight.
It's fun but just, eh. Maybe there's more to it on launch? who knows.
It's too popular and not Japanese.
shilled to kingdom come
I'm perfectly fine with mindess shooters flooding the market though, the genre contains retards perfectly
>>336801369
Why does it matter? Go play it yourself if you like it.
>It's too shallow and simplistic with a very low skill ceiling. Furthermore, you're fucked if you happen to get on a bad team.
... is what I kerp hearing.
I really like the game though, D. Va best.
>>336801686
>>336801734
Battleborn at least has some depth to it.
Feels kind of shallow.
Could use some more game modes or weapon unlocks or something that'll add a bit of customization.
Maps are kind of simplistic.
Too few modes, maps feel linear, 6 v 6 means you easily get a team of retards, some stuff seems very questionably balanced (Dva being shit other than blowing up your mech in a group)
Its really fun when you have a good team versus a good team though, which is making me consider getting it maybe after release and a content patch.
Guns feel like shit since most of them have little to no recoil, maps are designed horribly with choke points where people just spam explosives or camp with shit like bastion, rounds are too short, some ultimates and abilities have a way too big area of effect like that fucking dragon flying through the map, most characters not having a sprint button makes the movement feel slow and it's almost impossible to escape with fat characters because their hitbox is as big as the original xbox so even if you run around a corner people can shoot you for seconds, the characters constantly saying stupid shit is annoying, there's not nearly enough shit and by only unlocking cosmetics I don't see how the game will last you long, especially if only a couple of characters are actually interesting.
>>336801369
Never tried it, never will.
I never liked any first person view games, shooters especially.
The game would work perfectly with the abilities and such if it was round based, making decisions matter.
But it's a deathmatch fuckfest of spam everywhere so you have these cool abilities that have no real impact on the game since you're going to kill someone and get him to respawn immediately and then back to kill you.
>>336801663
It gave me the same feeling as my early days of TF2 and I plan on dedicating just as much time to it. I forget Blizzard even made this some times.
It's a simple game (which for me is a plus) has comfy aesthetics, and is a blast with friends. It doesn't burn my eyes out of my skull like the insane colors going on in Battleborn
I don't like multiplayer. If this game had a full-on campaign mode where you fight other characters as bosses I would be all over it
>>336801369
The game is extremely shallow. Like TF2 lite
>>336801369
It's made by Activision Blizzard, therefore it's extremely likely to be complete shit, like their other retarded games such as Hearthstone and HotS. I'm not going to bother with any Blizzard game in the future after the utter disappoinment of Heroes of the Storm. I was pretty hyped for that game, too bad it has to be shit.
>>336801875
I'll agree the game mechanics are leagues deeper than Overwatch, but god damn that writing.
God damn those character designs. Literally looks like it was made to attract kids.
>>336801369
Fun for the first few days but gets too samey
>>336801369
>Can anyone here actually tell me why they don't like overwatch?
Maps are unbalanced as fuck. Characters are unbalanced as fuck. Zero skill ceiling save Tracer. Literally press Q to 1-shot people automatically. A handful of maps and 2 game modes. Cancerous playerbase.
It has zero redeeming features.
>>336801875
>Gearbox games
>Depth
Just fuck off.
>>336802027
>muh campaign
18+
The teams are way too small and I can't stand too much idiocy in games. Also I am always compelled to pick whatever the team needs, meaning I end up as support, something that is pretty boring to me even though it helps win the most.
So I'd say the other players are what I dislike most about overwatch.
>>336801875
>LMAO So Zany XD: The Game
>depth
lmaoing @ ur life
>>336802057
I don't see how TF2 is any deeper than Overwatch. A lot of the classes are pretty similar (Tornbjorn=engineer, that kind of thing). The only gameplay with depth I can think of in tf2 is the spy.
It's objectively casualized feel-good tf2. I still enjoy it, but it's easy to see why people dislike it. The ult system feels like mario kart except if 1st place could use blue shells. Higher skill ceiling mobility techniques like rocket jumping from tf2 are now hotkeys here. The game makes you feel like king of the world for being involved in chipping 5 hp off a guy. Personally I'd never play it if I didn't a few buddies to play it with.
>>336801369
I loved it for the first two days, and then when closed beta ended the hackers came out of the woodwork's. Every second match has an obvious Windowmaker/McCree/Soldier 76 hacker that snaps straight into peoples heads and instantly kills everyone. Knowing how shit Blizzards Warden anti-cheat system is there won't be an end to this. I was going to get this game and honestly if I knew for certain that they would deal with hackers I still would but I really can't buy it with this bullshit.
>>336801463
Basically this. It is utterly casualized and is slowed down to a crawl so kids will have a chance to hit something with their terrible console aim. Its balance is an utter joke with shitters like bastion having an ability that should be their ult as a mode with zero drawbacks if you are defending.
Hell look at the tips in the loading screen
"Try and move erratically to avoid incoming fire"
This game is designed entirely around children playing. It is literally Baby's First FPS.
It can be fun but its certainly not anything I would drop stupid amounts of hours in and it is definitely not competitive like blizzard is trying to make it seem like it is.
>>336801369
I like the game so far but here are some of my complaints.
>lack of game modes
>some ults should be rethought, you should have to aim your ult imo. You shouldn't be able to press q,Y, or triangle for instant team wipes.
> some heroes need to be reworked. It seems like a lot of them are just generic characters with no strengths or weaknesses.
I'm a robot
I don't see the staying power. Sure there are 12 maps but each map only supports 1 game mode and since you are just randomly placed you end up seeing some much more than others. There isn't a good since of progression, leveling up doesn't do anything other get you a crate with random junk in.
>>336802173
>compelled to pick what team needs
It's not like overwatch is alone in this department
>>336802113
>Characters are unbalanced as fuck
>>336801931
>Dva being shit other than blowing up your mech in a group
ITT: shitters
>>336801872
>D.Va
>Playing on NES
She's a Starcraft pro-player for fuck's sake.
>>336802170
>Paying for a F2P game
>>336802073
Overwatch is literally made for children. The dialogue and character designs are so safe it appeals to nobody with actual taste. It could have taken lessons from TF2 but Blizzard decided they're too good for that. They could have taken all kinds of lessons from Valve but they didn't, and now they're fading into obscurity while Valve rakes in the money and players.
>>336802170
>I don't want a structured experience with real progression and a story to get me invested in what's happening!
>I just want to do the same thing over and over and over with no context!
ok bud
They're mostly shitposters or shitters.
That criteria covers 90% of /v/ though.
>>336802238
you must not have played TF2 for very long. That game has a literally infinite skill ceiling
>>336801369
Blizzard == SJWS == Feminists == SHIT
>>336802338
>game is obviously perfect in every way
Too gimmicky for my tastes.
>>336801369
Pros: Top Tier Waifus
Cons: Combat is simplistic. Aiming isn't necessary for most characters.
A lot of the characters are worthless.
The Q button needs to be removed.
The pubs are the absolute shittiest players i've ever seen. This isn't the games fault mind you but when I can go 20 and 1 starting the game cold something is wrong. Blizz fans suck shit at video games apparently.
40 mother fucking american dollars for multiplayer only game.
>>336801369
It's the new mlp, just like splatoon was. In your face all the time either because the fanbase is rabid or just shills.
>>336801369
Skill ceiling is the skill floor
Characters lack options
Cooldowns are annoying and the game would be better if the powers were balanced around always having them
Gun play is dull and many feel very weak
Samey game types, once you've played a few rounds you will be doing the exact same thing form then on cause first point
>>336802339
Wasn't starcraft on one of the Nintendo consoles
>>336801369
Well it is just generally fairly boring.
You can't do anything fun or spectacular by yourself (one button ultimates get old really fast). The movement system is very safe and also boring. The guns and abilities don't feel very satisfying to use. So you see, the core gameplay doesn't keep you hooked, unlike with Doom, Quake, Halo, CoD, the usual big ones. So the ball is left for strategy and teamplay to pick up. But even those are flat and uninteresting, there's no really interesting hero combinations unlike in Dota or LoL, and a lot of the time it seems that rounds are decided by a few ultimates.
I've been playing in the open beta for roughly... 12 hours maybe and it feels like I've seen it all.
>>336802360
What kinds of lessons could they have taken from valve?
>>336802271
>zero drawbacks
spotted the shitter
>>336802613
more hats
I really wanted to like it but it relies too much on teamwork and not enough on personal skill for my taste. I prefer games like Dirty Bomb where I can be put in a team of retards but fight tooth and nail to carry them to victory, and not be instantly killed by some cowboy because nobody watched the flanks
>>336802454
What level are you atm?
>>336801369
Adults don't care about Blizzard games anymore. They aren't made for intelligent, well adjusted people. The degenerates who would play Overwatch over TF2 shouldn't be allowed on /v/, it demonstrates that they're clearly underage and only like games that give you rewards for being shit and asspat everybody.
>>336802361
video GAME. Sounds like pic related is more your style
>>336802525
you must be 18+ to post on this board.
>>336801369
-I don't really like FPS games
-I don't like community games, the people are already starting to bitch each other for x reasons
-blizzard made it, which means they're going to make rotations on good classes
-in-game store
Because it has a variety of design flaws that were already tackled and solved by TF2, which came out 9 years ago and so Blizzard should have had plenty of time to learn from it.
Ults charge all the time and persist, so there's no need to play defensively, and you can't shut down people who have them. Because there's no need to play defensively, matches have no natural push and pull, you just sort of butt heads until you manage to win.
There's no Ubercharge, so defensive stalemates occur all the time and are in fact why characters like Bastion are pubstompers. The only ultimate capable of destroying a turtling team is Hanzo's, and that only reliable works against sentries.
Respawn timers also seem to be locked at 8 seconds, I haven't really checked for it. Teleporters used to fix the downtime and were a punishment for poor team composition, now the punishment for death is respawn AND the long walk back to battle, especially when the teleporter has limited uses and Symmetra is seemingly designed to be unable to fight at any range except melee in order to better charge her ultimate.
>>336802386
I've got roughly 200 hours into it but I'll agree I'm pretty shit at it. I just fail to see what TF2 can do that Overwatch can't
>>336802632
Lel
I like it, but I can see why people might not.
It's got a lower skill ceiling than TF2, that's for sure. All the movement options you could do with TF2 (Rocket jumping, sticky jumping, Scout's FAN, etc.) are now relegated to simple ability uses, it's 6v6 instead of being bigger, there are some balance issues, maps are pretty small to accommodate only 6v6. I enjoy it but it does have problems.
>>336802338
Literally only died like once to DVA players and played the hero a few times.
She isn't tanky, she doesn't deal a lot of damage, and she isn't that mobile.
What a great hero.
>>336802665
Ironic, Starctaft was on the N64 you mongol kill yourself.
>>336802665
But it was you retard. Had an N64 version.
>All these turboniggers saying there's no incentive to keep playing
I thought you guys railed against casuals and skinner boxes? Or do need some dumb carrot in front of you to have fun?
>>336802634
You can carry games, I've done so several times. But you have to be good to do it, which excludes you.
>>336801369
>Guns feel underwhelming
>Most combat feels purely based on your cooldown abilities aside from a few people with actual decent guns
>The best feel kinda notably better
>It takes 5 seconds to pick up and master the mechanics of each hero with very little room to improve as a individual unless you're a total shitter.
I dislike how every shooter that hits just has to be purely about team based shit. The only characters that can carry teams are in specific situations because of retard ults like Hanzo and Reaper.
Playing the beta for this alright game actually made me excited which is sad to play the DOOM 4 MP just because i'll probably be able to do alot more as a individual and not have to rely on my team past such a early meta stand point.
Its my own extremely bias opinion that every game besides maybe ones specifically geared towards team based meta like MOBAs should always allow for massive room to improve individually mechanically and team work wise not just team work.
>>336802613
Free DLC, proper F2P business models, actually bringing in the community to make games instead of shutting them down left and right. Not to mention, making bank off cosmetics on the marketplace.
>>336802665
So why are you posting then
>>336801369
Put about 10 hours into the beta and I refuse to play with the playerbase. I have never seen so much shit players in my life, if you need to actually tell a healer to heal a tank you've already lost.
>>336802376
>They're mostly shitposters or shitters
Can you not accept that some or even most generally don't like this game?
I am decent enough at the game to win matches or carry sometimes but it is not a good or even skilled game.
Stop acting like the game has no flaws and that criticism lobbed at it doesn't matter because those people saying the criticism are lying or bad. It just makes you sound like a petulant child.
>>336802338
>doesn't refute anything he replied to
>posts obscure in-game scenario which has nothing to do with the topic
>calls other shitters
The Overwatch audience. Absolute fucking morons.
So far I'm really enjoying the various characters. The gameplay is fun, if in need of tweaks. My main gripes revolve around a few overly powerful heroes and the amount of content to price. In canada, if you want to buy overwatch on ps4 or xbox one it's 80 dollars. That's just insane for the game modes and overall content on offer. I don't understand paying that kinda price for mp only.
>>336801626
Pretty much this.
I know it is just beta but it would really benefit from more maps and game modes.
Better post game player feedback would also be nice, like some sort of adaptability score that shows multiple heroes people have played to further encourage switching and to flag the no damage no kills widowmaker retards.
I know the team is shit when there are 2 snipers, oven and mister call of duty and I still top kills and damage with Zarya but the game should explictly tell it to those retards too.
>>336802360
What is wrong with a game trying to appeal to everybody? It has a price point so it won't be filled with as many shitters (as much as if it were f2p) and pc players will never have to deal with the people who buy it on console which are typical the younger audience anyway.
>>336802762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxsPVK9jMUk
>>336801369
The game is shallow and made to bring in the biggest audience possible. The skill ceiling is so unbelievably low and they allow no 'plays' to be made other than pressing q because it's cooldown based FPS, it just doesn't work. I don't see why you would play it over TF2 because it's just mechanically inferior.
If you like the boring characters because they are cute or something (These classes are so fucking dull, just look at reaper and tell me how that was allowed in the game) and fake fun play it all you please. Don't get upset when people with standards detest it. You wouldn't have made this thread if you weren't insecure about your taste.
all casual shooting games are shit. COD, CSGO, TF2, this, BF, Insurgency, fucking all of them. hot garbage for casuals
People hate this game because your skill level dosent increase like in cod where u can play shitty for a thousand games till u unlock the good shit and get noob kills, instead your skill increases with how good u get at playing the heros and situational stragity
Why the fuck is overwatch even fighting each other?
Even TF2 had a reason for why red and blue fought?
>>336802762
>She isn't tanky, she doesn't deal a lot of damage, and she isn't that mobile. What a great hero.
You aren't supposed to run into the enemy team headfirst with her. You use your boost to disrupt them, cover an area with your infinite ammo cannons, and use your E to disrupt their ults.
>>336802826
mad because bad? dont worry, new CoD is coming out soon
>>336801369
For a person who hasn't played it
Looks like it has an incredible low skill ceiling, which is bad for longevity
Waifu bait so people play it for desings more than gameplay
Loads of characters which makes balance issues
Spamming threads all day of waifus or another shit than talking about the game
Beta offers basically all the experience you will get for $40, or $60 if you're on console
Mostly thread spamming for me
>>336802849
Pro Dva Nice Desu.
My theory is that Overwatch is doing everything pretty well (not perfect, but good enough) and the result is taking away people's position of entitlement and superiority, two of the staples of the hardcore gamer audience.
You got what you wanted gamers, and now you are forced to recognize your shit kiddie taste
>>336802773
I'm sure you played against decent players and countered various characters all by yourself
Cause I can't play it.
Seriously /v/ why won't the battle.net agent update!?
shit feels like someone took a half assed moba and then made it into a shooter
>>336802674
>matches have no natural push and pull, you just sort of butt heads until you manage to win.
I noticed this as well.
The game lacks any real strategies, the most you really do to work together is shields and healing. Outside that there aren't any smart plays to be done
>>336801808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YPGMJBHHDs
>>336802468
I am so happy I saved this.
Using MLP as an insult is retarded. As cancerous as overwatch fans are shaping up to be nothing will ever come close to MLP
>>336802613
dialogue and character designs.
walkspeed
>>336802868
>You wouldn't have made this thread if you weren't insecure about your taste.
dis tho. why would you care what /v/ thinks about a game you like, /v/ hates everything, you thought they would like a casual shooter from Blizzard thats the brainchild of TF2+LoL?
>>336802918
From what I can understand Overwatch has some kind of story involving two major companies. Overwatch and Blackwatch (you can guys which one is da bad guyz) but the game itself just kind of throws that out the window with Blackwatch and Overwatch agents working together to...capture a japanese bell or something.
>>336802938
Are you saying gamers are sadists who like shit games?
>>336802941
Yes on both counts. Switch heroes if your team is stuck, figure out what your team needs to get ahead.
>>336802170
Older people are the ones who don't care about multi and just want to relax with a well designed game.
I cared about MP shooters when I was 15.
it's fun but my friends are pretty bad
really grinds my gears
>>336802997
/v/ is still non ironically ass blasted about a kids cartoon.
>>336801963
>I forget Blizzard even made this some times.
This is something I haven't been able to articulate until just now, but it is absolutely true isn't it?
Playing this game with friends is like a timewarp back to 2006, where I still believed in my heart that most vidya was good and only people who had games' best interest in mind were in the industry.
I'm sure the magic will wear off after a few months of live + competitive mode, but right now I am just high off of all the good vibes I'm getting from playing. I haven't had "summer game multiplayer funtime" in nearly a decade.
>>336802624
Name a drawback while defending a point or spawn camping someone.
Movement doesn't count because he doesn't need to move to do that.
>>336802468
He said posting Undertale
>>336802941
This. People who say they do so in games like this are the ultimate blind egotistical shitters. They played a few terrible teams in the grand scheme of a terrible player base bad enough to lose to one okay player and think MAN YOU JUST NEED TO BE AS GOOD AS ME!
Its like i body my friends in fighting games all day doing dumb shit and then you say that dumb shit doesn't work and i say nu uh just gotta be good enough. When in reality a good player will counter it.
>>336802339
>>336801872
dude is just drawing her to make easy patreon bucks, I doubt he even plays the game.
>>336802849
I love how every TF2 pro (take from that term what you will) has up and left for Overwatch. Wonder how long it will last.
>>336802829
>on consoles
literally
>>336803050
>803050 â–¶
>>>336802938
>Are you saying gamers are sadists who like shit games?
Considering /v/ has had unironic The Division, Assassins Creed, Uncharted and Halo 5 threads, yes.
>>336802925
>new CoD is coming out soon
And I'm sure you'll preorder than garbage as well.
>>336801785
This is a good analysis. I haven't played much but I agree with everything you said here.
>>336802468
It's in your face because it's been hyped up for years and is finally getting released. If Overwatch is the new MLP just for that then literally any game that has had more than a handful of threads on /v/ was also the new MLP. Also,
>shills
There are no shills for this game. Every thread I've seen has been easily 50% shit talking it, 20% praising it, and 30% people asking if it's worth buying.
>>336803078
Yeah, I had a friend who didn't seem to grasp the concept that reinhardt is there to be a mobile shield.
i had to explain that he could use his shield to block damage on the choke point so we could all attack them.
Played it for an hour last night and really enjoyed it. A lot more fun if you're playing with someone and using a mic (sidenote: the mic/voice chat support in the game is really, really good. The quality of it stood out to me), because the maps are built around serious chokepoints that you can only overcome by using combinations of powers unless the other team is full of retards too.
That said, I don't know how long the appeal will last. I almost feel like I've already seen everything the game can offer. I stuck pretty much to one class and any time I changed I just got bored, so I don't see the different classes adding much to my enjoyment. By the time the free beta period is over I'll probably have had my fun.
>>336803015
>walkspeed
It does feel slow on certain heroes but over all overwatch is much faster paced than tf2
>>336802997
>nothing will ever come close to MLP
/pol/ is nearly there.
I played it for a while and here's whats wrong with it.
>21 characters and only a few like 5% are actually good/fun playing as
>the same characters or even less are decently designed both looks and gameplay wise
>many characters can be scrapped due to being worthless or have a role another character does better
>some maps are not fairly balanced for certain game modes, resulting in free one sided stomps
>all the specials or "ultimates" are on varying scales of lackluster, some are more stupid powerful than other worthless ones
>everyone moves so fucking slow, not just the tanks
>weird cooldown choices for standard abilities, like widowmaker's harmless hook take like 15 seconds to recharge while others would take like 3
>>336801369
I just thinks it too easy and casual.
Same heroes every map.
Same unbalanced abilities.
No reward for playing characters that actually need skill.
POTG always goes to someone pressing q.
It's too "Happy happy no wrong in this world".
Just too safe and casual.
Junkrat is fun but they thought it was a good idea to have his uti oneshot-able.
If Blizz balances it and reduces the price I might get it, but not right now.
>>336803280
>but over all overwatch is much faster paced than tf2
Because every map is just chokepoint after chokepoint with ult spamming
>>336803098
Well spawn camping 1 person isn't an argument because you are against 6 people. Also any Tracer or Genji worth a damn will get behind you and kill you nearly instantly. Also drawing fire as Dva literally always works against all these awful Bastions who think they're invincible. Defense matrix is extremly powerful.
>>336803146
>every TF2 pro
Not really, it's just some people that skirted the top without ever actually winning see an easier game and are trying to jump in on it before others have a chance to show them they're not good.
Clockwork is a weird exception having won LANs, but he's also quit TF2 and Overwatch like twice by this point so nobody knows.
>>336803050
/v/ literally lapped up Skyrim and Fallout 4, so yes.
>>336802762
>she isn't tanky
I don't understand this meme. She has the same amount of health of every other tank save roadhog. She has an ability that negates all damage in front of her. Are you slamming people into the wall and spraying them down like you should? If so she should be doing fine.
>>336801963
>and is a blast with friends
Well here's your answer, most people on this boards don't have friend, and are such socially awkward mental weaklings they can't even make friends on the internet. I've actually seen people on this site say they're too shy to even communicate via email before.
its a polished f2p game and feels very slow paced
>>336803395
Even without the ults the kill times are much faster
Though I will admit TF2 has superior map design, a lot of TF2 maps straight ported to overwatch would be great
>>336803524
>polished
>>336803146
The biggest tf2 tournament had about 2000 viewers. The price money barely even covered hotel+plane cost. Tf2 comp is a joke.
evolve 2.0
>fun game
>priced too high for what you're getting
if evolved launched at $15 with an extra game mode or two, /v/ would've played the shit out of it.
>>336802308
Games like TF2 are less strict on that because you have a lot more team mates, so the chance that someone picks and actually has fun playing a support is a lot higher. Overwatch is just annoying with the amount of Widow/Hanzo/Reaper and Tracer who contribute very little against a well balanced team.
>>336801785
This. It's mediocre and not worth your time or money for all the reasons this post listed, and no, it won't get better at launch.
>>336801872
>you're fucked if you happen to get on a bad team
Isn't this every team based game ever?
>>336803443
It was a bit of hyperbole, sure. But quite a few of them are. Also Clockwork lets his emotions get the best of him. He reminds me of the average /v/ poster who think's everything is OP while he played McCree at his strongest in the early stages of the beta.He is also a whiny little bitch
It has no depth,basically.
Characters are 1.5 dimensional at best:The robot goes beep boop the gorilla chimps out and the ninja......speaks niponese(Was his personality built around this really?)
Except for depth in character,this game Isin't all that hard to get into,It's literally spam vs spam and a shield here and there. The knockback Is so abysmal It prevents any sort of combos unless you land a perfect junkrat satchel (real boner killer for this type of game.)
Lastly,when playing a character there's not a whole lot of ways to play them,It's usually a gimmick over and over til you win,you may say that other FPS's are like so,but In a game such as overwatch,It feels like a lot of ruined potential.
>>336803497
>I don't understand this meme.
The front of her is a giant head hitbox meaning she soaks up damage quick.
>She has an ability that negates all damage in front of her.
In which time you can't do anything but run at them, other characters have shields that either let them do more or/and protect more people
>Are you slamming people into the wall and spraying them down like you should?
Reinhardt has a move much better for this. It also isn't an amazing plan when this is a team based shooter so a tank that can only go after one person and then have fuck all left is a bit shit
>>336801369
Overwatch is ruined by the maps.
>Make a team shooter
>There's only ONE objective at any given time, meaning teams don't have to make tactical decisions like splitting up and it all just becomes a dumb clusterfuck of 12 people fighting on one spot, dying and running back for 10 minutes
How did Blizzard think this was a good idea?
You could simply have a fucking map with the same fucking objective, but twice
For example: Map with 2 points almost equally far away from each teams spawn point, if you capture one of the points your team gets points until the other team captures the point. You have that on both objectives and you craete a situation where players have to make tactical decisions of splitting up.
>Do we go there with all 6 of our players and maybe risk losing this objective?
>Do we send 3 players there, since only 3 of the enemies are here that maybe means we can win the team fight there while defending this point
etc.
The way it is now it's just two teams clashing on a single fucking spot that moves the entire game, constantly dying and counterpicking in hopes to get 3 more seconds of dominance in than the other team. It's boring, it's bad design.
>>336803653
Yes, however the effect gets progressively worse the smaller the teams are
I don't get how these shitposters can hate overwatch but like TF2
they're the same fucking game except overwatch has more character variety and more mechanics
>>336803578
It's shit unbalanced and has an in-game leveling system. Playing monster was kinda fun but cat-and -mouse the game is not even a good idea.
>>336802271
All I know Is I'm out strafing thr shit out of everyone as soldier 76.
And for that one reason I'm calling it goty because for the first fucking time in years a game is actually letting me use my movement to fuck someone up.
Hell it even evokes feelings of classic halo with some of the characters
i don't hate it but it's kind of middle-of-the-road
my main problems are
- no dedicated servers and other nice pc features
- characters all feel like glass cannons and encounters rarely last more than a few seconds. normally the encounters are decided by which character is the hard character, or which character saw the other character first
- maps are very flat. tf2 had a lot of gradients. this game just has flat.
- the characters have a LOT of abilities between them and it's never entirely certain as to which ones are active at once. for example, one character has the ability to give wallhax to their whole team, but if you're the enemy there's no way of knowing this. ironically i think the clusterfuck of passive abilities actually lowers the skill ceiling rather than raises it. all of the abilities have cooldown timers on them but these are pretty opaque
>>336801369
I'll tell you.
I opted in for beta and never got an invite.
All I got to see about the game was let's play channels who got to play it so Blizz can market their shit, and they usually just played the standard matchmaking stuff.
Then the short movies came in that promised a deep backstory to the game and I always wondered how they try to deliver the story in a TF2 kind of game.
Yesterday a friend of mine gave me one of his beta keys.
There is no story mode, the backstory for each character is literally 4 to 5 segments of text on their homepage. That's it.
I mean, sure, there are comics and other media that show the backstory, but i really wanted to play the story, not read it.
The gameplay also seems kinda wonky.
Some characters are face roll, others are borderline unplayable.
I also don't like the reward system.
Loot boxes can contain dupes and it gets progressively harder to obtain boxes so at some point you have to rely heavy on the ingame currency which i didn't receive much off of yet.
>>336803825
I swear it has the halo 1 shield charging sound in it, I've heard it a few times
>>336803813
>S-S-S-Same game!
They said that about HOTS and Dota.
>>336803813
It alsorequires more skill when it comes to communicating with your team.But don't say that out loud here.
It's ok I guess. The graphics are nice and the non-Tumblr designs are pretty cool. $60 is asking too much though. $30 would've been more appropiate.
>>336801463
>Rated T for Teen
>>336803813
And TF2 has actually well designed gamemodes and maps
Which is the exact department in which Overwatch is garbage
>>336803780
This is wrong, the objectives work the same way in tf2, the issue is the map design is just bad, unlike tf2.
Too easy, too simple and low skill ceiling. Since everyone has infinite ammo nobody cares to aim they just spam a chokepoint and thats the whole game.
>>336803813
>Modern blizzard games
>more mechanics
lel
>>336803813
more =/= better
And people really don't like the idea of Ultimate in a tf2 like game.
>>336803898
>Yesterday a friend of mine gave me one of his beta keys.
But it's an open beta right now numpnuts
The biggest problem with Overwatch?
TRICKLING.
The ammount of times I've seen 1 person run into the objective thinking he can solo 6 people waiting for him each time, and NOBODY waits for a team group up and charge it.
>>336803813
I don't believe you have ever played TF2, or you genuinely think more=better. "more mechanics" means nothing if it's all pressing 1 button. Compare junkrat's bomb thing to demo sticky jumping, there's no contest to which one gives you more control and actually let's you well... play the game.
>>336803813
Holy shit. You cant possibly believe that. Get the fuck out of here.
>>336803950
You can get it for $40 on key sites
>>336803953
Yeah if they made Reaper more like Not important it would have been a M so they had to tone him down.
>>336801369
>an even more casualized shooter
>slow movement
>auto aim skills
>no scoreboard
>no single player
>40 dollars
>nothing new
Why would I ever care about this game? If it wasn't for good advertising nobody would buy it.
>>336804043
It's fucking $40 on blizzard store
Played it a ton And I'm sitting at around level 40 or so this beta. Playing with friends has been great and this will probably amuse me until the new unreal tournament comes out.
>>336804043
Its $40 on the blizzard store you retards.
>>336802838
>What is wrong with a game trying to appeal to everybody?
Well typically the issue is that it becomes so diluted that it appeals to nobody. You can't have a shooter that attracts hardcore competitive players AND the mobile gaming casual market, for example, because the tradeoff game you'd make wouldn't appeal to either of them. Doesn't stop companies trying though, oddly, even though it basically never works.
>>336803950
>Game cost $60 meme
Its fucking $40, not sure whether thats too much for you. Its $60 for the special edition which has digital shit.
>>336801369
Scoreboard doesn't show kda.
Assists are called kills.
Feeders are not shown, feeding enemy kills causes them to have more ult uses.
No votekick.
No gamemode choice.
No suicide button.
POTG can't be disabled.
>>336804031
This is a problem with every objective based team game. It is awful and I wish people would stop and think every now and then.
>>336804084
That doesn't include all the characters right?
>>336803950
>Tumblr designs
Are you fucking serious? There are literally tumblr noses on 90% of the characters.
>>336801369
It's boring. I'd have preferred if this was a single player game since the powers make much more sense in a PvE game than PvP.
Also >windows phone
>>336804084
>>336804102
I-I didn't know!
Honest mistake!
>>336804031
This is my biggest problem too, attackers should all respawn at the same time
Every time its an endless cycle of
>retard rushes in alone and dies
>retard 2 who just respawned rushes in alone and dies
>repeat endlessly
>>336803680
>Clockwork lets his emotions get the best of him
It's funny hearing b4nny constantly suck his dick over his DM, but then complain he has a habit of going "rage sniper" in games that matter. Like he knows he's a shitter, but needs him on the team.especially considering he cucked b4nny at LAN
>>336804110
I sell my spraypainted liles of shit on ebay for 200$. I guess you just can't afford it hahaha
>>336804000
Yeah with 3 characters.
If you have the key you can choose who you want to play
>>336804143
Every heroes are free
>>336804143
$60 version just gets digital shit like extra outfits. $40 is the full version with all future characters and maps.
>>336804143
It does actually
>>336804113
So it is the HotS of FPS? Blizzard wants everyone to be a winner and feel safe?
>>336802793
>proper F2P business models
>wanting F2P
>wanting companies to nickel and dime everyone so you can have a "free" experience at the consumer's ultimate expense
Fuck you, you poor-ass faggot. I see why you hate Overwatch now. Mad because they're replacing your McDonald's job with touch screen ordering stations and you can't afford to actually pay for games?
>>336804245
>>336804247
Oh. I was mislead by Tracer being on the Origins Edition.
>>336803867
oh, and the modes are direct clones of TF2's koth, cp and payload modes, yet they don't have any 5-point cp maps, which were my favourite type in tf2
>>336804257
Yep, that's why the commend and POTG exists.
>>336804031
>Everyone is just running head first at the objective
>Not had any success at taken the last point
>Use Dva's jihad
>Overtime
>We get it super quick
This game is dumb
>>336804113
Pretty much sums it up. And blizzard is actually trying to make this competitive by pouring money in.
>>336804228
So you haven't actually played the game and just shitpost, alright
>>336804038
Junkrats bomb-thing
There's like...3 of those. Which are you talking about?
>everything caters to the lowest common denominator
>no scoreboard
>ultimate charging that persists through death to give even idiots some kills
>maps feel very same-y, spammy chokepoint fests
>movement is incredibly limited and generally not very important
>the class designs feel like a checklist of getting as big an audience as possible rather than actual characters
>no option to choose gamemode, server, or anything
>region-locked servers and friendslist
I understand why people like it, but I'm glad I joined the free weekend to check it out. It's basically the Hearthstone of FPS games, and that's fine, but not for me.
>>336803813
they're the same game except overwatch has more characters, half of which have the same fucking abilities, and a clusterfuck of mechanics and passive abilities seemingly thrown together at random with no thought toward whether they'd make for a better game
>>336803808
Really, I would think with a small team an individual player's effect would be more amplified.
>>336804265
Valve doesn't nickel and dime anybody.
>>336804265
>>336804218
>Giving a muti-billion dollar company more money for something that's not even that good
Can somebody explain to me what Winston's thing is? His weapon is shit, his abilities are mostly about mobility which is useless because he can't really do anything when he's there, and even his ult barely deals any damage.
He seems to literally just be a high HP distraction that jumps around and annoys people, which is nowhere near fun to play.
Could probably be an amazing team-based fps.
It's just too shallow at the moment.
>>336804323
the only one that has you able to jump with it i assume
>>336804315
>no gamemode choice
This. Whenever I jump into a game I don't even know what game mode it is. As far as I can tell there's only 3. Payload, King of the Hill, and Capture point.
>>336804189
Meanwhile the defender keeps building up their ultimate meters. As Mercy, once my team has dug in there is very little the enemy can do. I stand back, keep everyone healed and use the attack up. If the attackers manage to get an ult to clear the room I simply Q, everyone is back up again and can wreck the defenders once more. After the cleanup is done my Q is on 50% again while the attacker start running back with 0%.
>>336803813
No. Just No.
TF2 has better map design, better physics, optional mouse acceleration (holy fuck this is bad in overwatch), Ammo limitation (what the fuck Blizzard?) Fuck I could go on for hours, besides all these things TF2 just feels more solid, if I go on a killing spree with a heavy it really feels like I'm spraying bullets into shit and not just pew pewing with a fucking airsoft.
Now despite everything I've said, I don't think Overwatch is awful, I'm having fun with it, but to say it's anywhere near as good as TF2 at this stage is just retarded.
>>336804282
They need to just go all in and copy all gamemodes from TF2. I love the game but I've played it for nearing on a fucking decade now and I want something new, but one thing that's never gotten old is the game modes, they're a blast. They also forgot the most important aspect of any FPS, which is team deathmatch. An FPS without team deathmatch is automatically garbage since it means there's nothing to filter out the retards and they're forced to play objective modes, and you get situations where you're on the attacking team in KOTH and half your fucking team is Widowmaker watching the point from five miles away.
>>336804323
Well if you had a brain you could conclude I'm talking about the one that's a non-ulte ability. The one you detonate. Because it's the one you sticky jump with. A set height, speed, and velocity, with minimal option to air-strafe, but a sticky jump nonetheless.
>>336801369
"Overwatch is made for Esports"
No:
>KDA
>actual matchmaking
>minimap
>overwhelming technical skill involved on any character's kit. You just dont get the same "wow" factor that you get when you watch some korean gook hit 400 APM in SC2
>way too team based to actually stand out (many characters feel as if they have small impact in games while others out shine them completely)
>Microtransactions in a AAA Buy to play game
>most maps are fucking terrible
>Torj has all the power of engineer, but is not restricted to having a dispenser and nest. (I draw a comparison to the mini sentry and how it honestly killed any small strands of competitiveness TF2 had.)
>Mei's wall is a basic ability which completely prohibits movement and blocks projectiles, if that wasnt enough she has a slow into a snare into a stun.
>POTG doesnt reward skill or nice plays, just Bastions and McCree's pressing one button and killing 2 people
>match making is fucked beyond belief, matching level 5's with level 30's.
>Is a game "made for esports" with shit bit rate servers.
It's a good game to waste time on when youre bored, but it isnt the next big thing and wont kill MOBAs in the esports scene.
>>336804318
Go to bed, you're tired.
>>336801369
The matches are too fast. Some of the abilities are too strong I guess, the dragon is particularly annoying. The levels aren't balanced, the layout seems to be rather random. It's all right, but not $60 all right.
>>336804425
>likes jojo
>thinks f2p isn't cancer
>is poor
Confirmed child
Mods get this hot head out of here.
>>336804456
I'm not even sure if you can do that with his sticky bomb. I tried rocket jumping with Pharah until I realized the L1 is basically just insta-rocket jump
>>336801369
coz it looks like im playing with toys and tf2 got old years ago, also neo activision blizzard sucks ass and i´d rather grind anything on steam or ps3 rather than touch this casual garbage.
i bet its some microtransactions faggotry again where you dont even get alternative skins with buying the game anymore. fuck you shills
>>336802967
It's literally TF2 with more classes, dumbfuck.
anyone know where I can get some good diva porn
D.Va is the cutest!
>>336803475
Fallout 4 was DOA here though.
There weren't even threads bitching about it. Literally nobody cared.
>>336801369
Only thing that annoys me is the 20 tick.
That shit is really noticable ingame.
I mean they hide it with the fact that most heroes dont require aiming skill anyways, but sometimes i die behind walls, because the server hasnt adjusted the hitboxes yet.
>>336804385
>ult charging through death
Even though I'm not loving this game, I don't see why this is a bad thing in a game that relies so heavily on teammates contributing and working together. Seems like an idiot should get his ult charged do he can maybe help at some point.
>>336804567
You can, but it's limited and pretty awkward, which I think was that anon's point
>>336804524
I'll agree I don't think it's made to be played super-competitively. Low skill ceiling and no way to tell how well you're doing compared to your teammates.
>>336803813
I don't think Overwatch has more abilities and mechanics than TF2 when you compare them character-for-character, it's just that TF2 doesn't have the abilities up on screen all the time.
Scout can double jump. He doesn't have a prompt saying "PRESS E TO JUMP HIGHER THAN NORMAL". Engineer can build sentries, he doesn't have an onscreen prompt or a dedicated button for it. Spy can go invisible, same thing. Then throw in all the secondary effects of the weapon unlocks and I'd say TF2 actually has more variety than Overwatch, it just doesn't throw it in your face.
>>336804429
Being distraction is not a fault in a team based game.
There are several characters who absolutely love to go in while Winston goes apeshit.
Besides he can catch runners and disrupt snipers, latter which is as good as killing them as they are not shooting.
>>336804575
it's aesthetically trying to be like tf2 but it plays very differently
>>336804420
But everyone else does, and Valve doesn't make video games anymore. They're sitting on Steam money, they don't actually have to nickel and dime you.
For other companies, F2P has been the way to treat players like ATM machines. Yet now we're seeing companies move away from F2P and back to actually charging you a flat fee for your experience; Overwatch, Battleborn, Lawbreakers, even Atlas Reactor in the past week announced it was switching from being F2P to being a paid product.
And regardless of whether you actually like a game or find it shit--which may be the case for Overwatch--moving away from F2P can only ever be a good thing. So fuck any poor nigger who thinks more games should be F2P.
>>336801369
I won't buy blizzard games after they ruined Diablo and SC imo.
slow movement
shitty gunplay
too many weapons with range
too many spray n pray weapons
shitty maps (all chokes, all the time)
official blizzard 6v6 servers only
classes are boring if their cooldowns aren't up
shilled to hell by youtube/twitch
>>336804685
It eliminates another effect of actually being good at the game, though, and another part that would actually allow for strategizing gone.
>>336801686
>Name one multiplayer FPS which isn't made for 5 year olds
There isn't. That's the point. It's an online shooter and it goes in the trash if you are older than 5.
>>336803504
i have a lot of real life friends but never had an internet friend.
i never could understand how to get them it seems so awkward.
The biggest problem is that most everyone is fragile as fuck and there are far too many ways to 1shot people. Also not enough content to justify the price.
>>336804704
Ah my bad then.
>>336801369
the map design is terrible
notice how literally EVERY good TF2 map was made by a community contributor. there is no system in place in overwatch, only blizzard can make maps
Not to turn this into SJW baitshit chat, but now I've actually seen the female models, why the hell did SJW go crazy over the looking over the shoulder Tracer pose, when there is other poses in which she litterally bends over and sticks out her ass, same goes with Widowmaker/UV girl w/e her name is
I'm starting to believe SJW is just males pretending to be triggered femmies, I can't actually believe that out of ALL the things they complained about, they complained about the least slutty pose
>>336804750
Valve is the only publisher worth a shit, this surprises nobody. Dota 2 and CS:GO are two of the biggest games on the market for a reason.
>>336804848
I think you have to be part of a community and then it grows from there.
>>336804524
While I agree with you on nearly everything. They actually haven't said whether or not there would be any micro-transactions and if there are it would be like CS with buying the crates and gambling on what you get. All DLC and post-launch content will be free.
>>336804926
You're not actually refuting the point though. In fact, you may have missed it completely.
>>336801369
its just a shit game
run around pretending to outplay people while getting guaranteed free kills on a timer
its fucking dumb
its not a skillful game
its as casual as hearthstone
its a game for normies
>>336804863
>not enough content to justify the price
I don't get this meme. Theres 12 maps and 21 classes. More than what most games ship with. What do you expect?
If you seriously give a shit about singleplayer in a team based fps your opinion is disregarded.
>>336803813
I like both games but they are nothing alike
people who say they are have only played one of the two
>>336804470
tracer has a tickle gun but heroes like roadhog, reaper, bastion, pharah, hanzo, and the pink hair girl have guns that feel badass
>>336804848
first step is to get a mic.
Second step is to play a game that requires some kind of cooperative teamwork. You'll eventually find someone that is as good (or bad) as you and you get each others skypes etc.
It's been years since I've made any new internet friends though. I've kept the same ones for nearly a decade and take summer trips to meet up with them in New York.
I like the game and I'm having fun with it but I'm still on the fence about it being $40 with how the game is currently.
There are a bit of issues for me such as
>character balance (regards to current and future releases)
>overall movement balance
>map design (with how a lot of characters not mobile enough, it's annoying to have to defend a point or attack it in pubs at least)
>following up on that, maybe balance death and respawn timers around the map and how the game is progressing
>needs more game modes
>custom game modes and maps (without the stupid IP restrictions on mods and maps)
>server browser maybe? (for scrims if this game will even be competitively viable)
>i prefer the Valve way for cosmetics in a sense that you can mix and match
>server stability (greece map always disconnects for some reason)
>player health and population (living in asia means this game is already one foot in the grave)
>$40 price tag that may or may not become an F2P game with payable cosmetics/characters (inb4 blizzard promised! this is blizzard we're talking about)
>needs more polish (character interactions, destructable environment maybe or at least stuff like trashcans and lamp posts, etc.)
As I said, purchasing the game is 50/50 right now and the player base is probably my biggest issue because it is just a multiplayer only game and being in a 3rd world shithole in asia doesn't help either
>>336804429
Youre pretty much going to force the opponent to make this decision. "Should I defend the point from 4 people who are pushing it? or should I turn around and deal with the gorilla tasering me?"
Most of the time they will turn to deal with you and then your team will just toast them. That and you can bully the hell out of snipers.
>>336804903
It was one guy bitching at the forums and the dev guy retardedly responded to it when he could've just ignored it.
The real SJWs are the ones attacking Jap devs. Blizzard tends to get away with whatever since they're so strong with the "nerd" community.
>>336804573
>coz it looks like im playing with toys
what does this even mean
you dont like the artstyle?
>>336805045
Other publishers not following Valve's example is no skin off my nose. It just means that only Valve is worth a shit when it comes to PC gaming.
>>336802665
Oh you innocent child
>>336804903
Tracers pose was the only one that made her turn around to show her butt.
The others where they stick their butts out all need to rotated before you can get a facefull of ass.
The guy bitching probably didn't know how to rotate models.
>>336804903
D.VA is literally wearing a skin tight suit and widowmaker is walking around half naked and has an ass the size of a small truck.
But it was probably because they felt tracer wasnt "supposed to be sexy" while widowmaker is designed to be exactly like that.
>>336805197
Sure, if you only play TF2, CS, and Dota for the rest of your life.
>>336805056
>I don't get this meme
Everything isn't a meme, you fucking faggot.
This shit is not worth $40 or even $60.
TF2 was $20 on launch and was a little less boring than this.
>>336804952
I can only assume there will be micro transactions.
You only get loot chests upon leveling up, there's no other way to unlock stuff unless you get the currency out of the loot chests. I really wish developers understood that unboxing systems dont work unless there's real money attatched to it like CSGO... but knowing retards we're likely to see
"OMG 100 LOOT CHEST OVERWATCH OPENING. BEST OPENING EVER?" plastered all over youtube when this game launches.
>>336804897
yeah I think that's a big deal
map design strikes me as something very very difficult especially for these competitive multiplayer games, and is not really anything which should be tackled only by the developer who probably don't have the time to go and make better maps when the game is out
I mean how many of those really good long-lasting multiplayer FPS games had no room for user made maps?
>>336805148
>chubby chasers
>>336805170
Honestly I really disliked the artstyle when I first learned about the game. But it just kinda grew on me.
Why does Overwatch suck?
-Because its just like every other FPS played in the past. No seriously, it has the same weapons, same characters, same fucking gameplay, and I'm not just talking about Team fortress 2.
-The characters are all from pop culture, change just the slightest, so as to avoid being sued for likeness of character.
-2 days on wards this game just seems like a boring blizzard cash cow machine. Sure geeks and hipsters will but it, but real games will most likely boycott it anyways.
-Seriously the amount of sex appeal in this game is also an issue. its like blizzard are trying really hard to sell us there rehashed Team fortress 2.
-Where is the blood in this game? where is the fucking gun control? were is the challenge of team play, when 1 uber character is killing them all.
-60USD for a pop culture FPS game is just way too much. Ill same my money tkx.
Can somebody please explain to me the need for skins in a fucking FPS?
You can see your character in the intro and in the end and that's it.
>>336805269
I have no problem with that. They're good games that have held up the test of time.
I mean what else is there?
>>336801369
It's so easy to just ignore posts that actually argure with you on /v/. They're almost always the posts that have no replies, because there's no memes or it followed a shitpost that needs to be replied to 99999 times.
Keep fighting the good fight OP, keep ignoring until you're sure you're the smartest in the room
>>336805070
They don't feel badass though because the sounds and effects are pitiful. Pharoh's rocket launcher feels like a cheap firework compared to wrecking someone with the Original.
>>336805047
>guarantee free kills on a timer
Try playing against people with brains. Most, if not all, ultimates can be shut down in one way or another and seeing someone like Reaper jump off a ledge into your team is super obvious every time.
>>336805342
Fair enough. Some people want other experiences, but if you're happy with the ones you have, enjoy your games, anon.
>>336805070
literally nothing in this game feels "badass" except maybe junkrat's wheel
everything sounds and feels very dinky
They dont have region locked servers. Ive played with russians, mexicans, Koreans, Chinese, etc. Really hard to communicate when im being called an "American Nigger" over voice chat
>>336805347
>the original
not gonna shit on your taste but i am not a fan of that rocket launcher, it sounds wack
Mostly just tf2 fanboys. They are mad Overwatch has stomped out their little f2p game.
So basically just valve fanboys
>>336805047
>its a game for normies>>
I thought this was the board for normies.
Just not a fan of the generic cartoony presentation and I got worn out over this type of gameplay years ago with team fortress 2.
>>336803374
>5% of 21 characters are fun
So, 1? Retard
>>336805483
>f2p meme
fuck you I paid for TF2 with all the money my 9th grade self had at the time
>>336805519
explains why so many people defend it then
>>336805432
See that's the thing, nobody is happy with other experiences. People would much rather play TF2 over Overwatch.
Publishers just can't make good games anymore.
>>336804524
this
>>336805483
Only took about 10 years for it to become "irrelevant"
>>336804685
Because most ults don't take skill to use. One of the best ones in the game is Hanzo's, and literally all you need to do is aim at the point and press Q to wipe out half their team. Games just become a series of waiting for somebody to use an ult to push forward, because even the shittiest player can do that. Compare that to Tracer who just gets a sticky grenade with pitiful range that can even fucking kill her if she fucks it up. Both take the same amount of time to charge, both last through death, one is infinitely more useful. They need to make better ults take longer to charge, and you should lose at least 50% of your charge when you die.
>>336805476
>>336805347
The original sounds way quieter than stock.
When it first came out, comp teams weren't able to hear it because they were so used to listening for the stock sound.
>>336805329
>real gamers
What makes a real gamer exactly?
Someone who matches your taste?
>>336805519
It's the board where everyone tries way to hard to pretend they're NOT normies. /v/ was always a shithole where people hated games, but every now-and-again you'd get some good threads, OC, and legitimate discussion. Now everyone's a tryhard faggot trying to fit in.
>>336801369
For me:
>They tried to fill it with tons of characters to make it colorful and diverse but they all end being boring and dull
>I've been playing the same objectives in TF2 for years (carry the wagon, dominate the central point...)
>Cooldowns: The Videogame
>>336801369
The tick rate is garbage. 20 is unacceptable
Personally I feel like a majority of the heroes are boring. I like 5 total.
The maps are fairly boring and largely irrelevant since the entire time you're just trying to capture points or push the payload.
There's only two gamemodes
Too frequently am I thrown into a game where someone quit because they were getting stomped and I'm forced to replace them. There should be a punishment for leaving, it's not like the games are long.
>>336805271
Even if you assume there will be, there 100% won't be at launch so your prediction is incorrect. Also the exp requirement per level plateaus at a point so it won't take exponentially longer to get chests. Furthermore, obtaining something you already have will give you currency along with getting currency in the crates themselves. It won't take very long for someone who plays with any diligence to get everything in the game.
>>336804524
The term 'esports' itself is a shitty gimmick and a scam and is used in two ways to con normies.
1. Actual games that require skill are promoted as 'esports' to attract casual shitters. If they arent actually good at games, at least they can watch people who are. In this context the 'esport' is basically a shell wrapped around what is otherwise a perfectly good competitive online game.
2. Crap games marketed as 'esport games' which are actually the most trashy skilless garbage designed so the aformentioned shitters can feel like they are good at something. This includes every single MOBA (a moba is just a rts for people with shit macro), and any fps that has any sort of kill streak mechanic.
>>336801369
No rocket/sticky jumping
>>336805751
/v/ has become flanderized
before the reddit invasion the board hated videogames but was fair in it's criticisms, much like this thread they explained why they didn't like it. it wasn't this ridiculous "LELELELE /V/ HATES VIDYAGAEMS SO THAT MEANS I HAVE TO BE AN EDGY ASSHAT 24/7" bullshit
this thread may be negative but at least people are elaborating on why and forming complete sentences instead of just saying "its shit XD"
>>336805819
>There should be a punishment for leaving, it's not like the games are long.
Thats because they took ranked mode out of the open beta.
But that one actually punishes you for leaving.
>>336801596
It is repetitive and shallow. It is very telling that you feel you have experienced everything in the span of a few hours of playing. Definitely not worth the 40 burgerbux they are asking for it.
>>336805331
While I think they are pretty stupid, some do change things like Junkrat's tire or Hanzo's dragon and voice lines so they aren't all useless from a first person perspective.
>>336801963
This is how I feel after playing it briefly. It felt...good.
>>336805718
Asking that mean your a faker, aka, hipster fag who pretends to play games but actually streams twitch tv
>>336806041
I want to know what the fucking point of the "heroic intros" are, I never see anybody do an intro.
Is that shit only seconds before the specific player who got POTG, or what?
>>336801369
Seems shallow and doesn't feel very satisfying.
I feel like I'm not doing fuck all as Mercy. Lucio's healing feels weak, I don't know the range of it, and the boost lasts for like two seconds. Shooting has no weight or impact. You get fucked out of play of the game just because a bastion went into turret mode.
Can't see myself playing this for very long. It's free for now, so I'll take up the opportunity, but it just isn't worth $40. $20 or free is more like it.
>mfw some guy ingame saying he's getting the $120 collector's edition and was trying to convince another guy to get it too
It will stop being free in 2 days. That's literally it.
>>336805589
>tfw bought The Orange Boxfor xbox 360
>>336803962
>map design is just bad, unlike tf2.
Found the person who didn't play on release.
>>336806161
Yea there are the poses when it shows your team at the end and the intros are for PotGs.
>>336806169
lucio is god tier bro
though i agree on your mercy critique, it's a lot easier to get one-shot in this game compared to TF2 medic so you tend to get boned a lot. mercy is slow as fuck
>>336805819
There is a punishment for leaving, if you leave too many times you get a -75% exp penalty for a good while.
>>336802468
You posted Undertale, you tremendous faggot.
>>336806289
Most of the beloved and god tier TF2 maps were made by community contributors, valve can't make good maps, and neither can blizzard
The difference is valve lets modders do their thing, and blizzard will never EVER let the community make maps
who /god of the sun/ here
>>336806147
Okay i guess.
Not gonna question your 100% objective and true taste ever again.
>>336806169
Just damage amp the Bastion for free assist :^)
>>336802918
TF2 was better when there was no reason for red and blue to be fighting.
I do not like not being able to play what ever character i feel like playing when ever i want to.
This is bad game design.
>>336806395
this nigga dies too quickly
its not even worth playing him
>>336806395
>people with several legendaries
I'm almost level 30 and I haven't even seen a purple yet.
It's a worse Team Fortress 2 that costs $40
Many of us have said this, you're just being intentionally thick
>>336805819
>tick rate meme
OW is high tickrate.
>>336801369
Map and Character imbalance. I don't feel like I was out skilled I feel like I was counter picked and theres nothing I can do about it. There are characters and map that need heavy fucking balancing.
Bastion, Pharah, Mcree and Junkrats traps as once your stuck, your stuck for a good 15 seconds which disrupts the flow of the game and you can't fight back, Temp of Anubis, all payloads, and arguably road hog.
I just hope the game gets balanced hard by release or I won't be picking it up.
>>336804524
>needing a minimap
fucking casuals
Because /v/ hates everything, even what they love, if they didn't enjoy it, they wouldn't be talking about it so much. The game is pretty fun, it somehow makes moba mechanics less obnoxious, but at that price tag I can't see it selling as well as it could. I can understand them not wanting to make it f2p, but If they really wanted to put a dent in TF2 and other f2p games, lowering the price to about 20 would help enormously.
>>336806384
Don't get me wrong. My biggest complaint is that there is no map editor and server browser.
I'm just saying that Goldrush was a mistake.
>>336806474
then you're playing Zenyatta wrong. As support he shines with his orbs, harmony lets you 'fire and forget' his heals. his Discord orb increases the damage of the target by 50% so even by himself he can fuck shit up. Keep in mind the discord debuff marks them too so you can keep track of where they are while it's active.
I just wish more people would take follow my lead when I use my ultimate since I'm outright invincible and everyone else heals a shitload. It's the perfect opportunity to push.
>>336802525
N64
>>336801369
I only played the OB and found that there is not enough game modes for me. Because there is what:
Capture the point?
Push?
Escort?
Did I miss something?
>>336806523
Come on dude, even people on their subreddit complain about the tickrate, just concede this one
>>336806580
Pharah and McCree are good, I can understand the trap complaint but Bastion is LITERALLY just a pubstomp character. He is legitimately awful and only feeds of bad players. Just switch to Tracer or Genji and fuck him up so bad that he switches or becomes a liability to his team.
I like overwatch but if you don't feel like being a tryhard you might as well not play. You can't comfymode in overwatch.
Meanwhile if I don't feel like tryhrding in TF2 I can just go join a 2fort or turbine server and goof around.
Despite being THE most casual game on the planet, there's no room for casual shooting in overwatch. The game desperately needs a deathmatch or some kind of cage match bullshit mode.
>>336806523
It's 20 with I believe 64 being the highest for custom/private games.
>>336801369
The gamemodes are repetetive and unoriginal.
The maps range from boring to bad.
No server browser or support for custom gamemodes or maps.
Those are some of the huge downsides with this game.
>>336806796
Mcree's traps are on the same tier as junkrats, get trapped for 9 seconds because its an AOE trap and Pharah while shes mostly balanced decrease her mobility. She shouldn't be as mobile as she is with her entire kit. In maps this small its frustrating to only have 1 character who can take her out of the sky.
>>336806796
What bastion is goat on defense, and even better higher up since people will actually defend him.
Winston bubble+ mercy heal/damage boost.+ turret bastion
Only time we get moved is if hanzo uses his ult, and then we just shift over a couple meters
>>336801369
Not being able to turn off bloom
Lack of hitounds/hit damage numbers like in TF2
Hitscan feels off 50% of the time
Some chars are just the definition of annoying (btw if any of you bitch about mcree, just remember he CANT HEADSHOT when he fans/alt-fires)
speaking of headshot, feels annoying to hit of some characters because of how their model is made, making shooting them as widow annoying.
lack of visual options to dick around with to make the game run better
Make the characters stand out more in some way from the environment, they seem to blend in WAY to well at times
>>336801369
the game has 0 skill ceiling
>tf2
>watch a newbie playing soldier
>he just tries to direct hit people, doesn't even know where to fucking aim, doesn't know how to rucket jump
>Average player playing soldier
>kills people by splash damage and sometimes direct hits, can rocket jump but only uses it to reach some places, can't quite aim with the rockets yet
>pro soldier player
>flying through the map with rocket jump while he kills everyone
now overwatch
>newbie playing tracer
>can blink and rewind, will kill himself because he's retarded
>average player
>can blink and rewind, will not kill himself but can't dominate a game
>pro player
>can blink and rewind
>will kill many people
>will die in an inevitably ult
the game has 0 depth, everyone is limited
I refrain from playing Blizzard games out of principle.
Can you guys explain what determines good map design?
The only competitive game I ever got into was gears 3 and, besides Overpass, I did not get when people put one map over another on some objective ranking scale. The maps just played "normally" from what I could tell.
>Nerf this!
fuck you it actually does need to be nerfed. With the fact that you can launch it safely by using boosters right before her ultimate, there's no danger to her. The range on the explosion is stupidly high.
>>336806474
>>336806691
I played my first games last night to try out all the characters, and all my friends kept telling me, "Don't play Zenyatta, he's bad."
"He used to be good, but they nerfed him too hard."
"No mobility."
"Everything kills him too quickly."
Then I proceeded to wreck shit with Discord orbs and get more kills than the rest of the team, while keeping everyone else topped off on health.
It's good buy holy shit I hate playing with fucking br's, I mean cmon even lol have separated servers for them.
I won't pay for something full of algum br?Es bueno el juego eso si
>>336805881
Whoa, just like LoL!
The game feels really polished but at the expense of substance. A lot of the mechanics and interfacing feel really rough around the edges. The maps need work, the lack of server browser is ridiculous in this day and age. Some of the flaws in this game are kind of unacceptable considering all they had to do was look to TF2 for all of the shit that didn't involve actual gameplay.
>>336802339
She isn't old enough to be a korean starcraft pro. They don't play it anymore. SC2 wasn't good enough and League delivered the deathblow. I don't even think it's on the pcbang top ten anymore.
>>336807270
I mean, his real downside IS the fact that he's made out of paper and if he gets caught, there's a 99% chance you're going to die since he has no evasive skills.
I thought he was bad until I realized he had alt-fire that lets him charge his orbs, which can seriously fuck people up. I just wish I could use discord orb while I'm in the middle of charging his burst fire.
>>336807320
>say something about Br's
>start talking in Spanish
amazing
>>336807270
some of the support heroes used to be way better than they are now
orb man used to have more health and move faster than a snail
poo in loo's shields used to give you 50 instead of 25 more hp
>>336806996
I commend you for outplaying bad people but you are aware that Genji will reflect all that damage (boosted and everything) right back and kill everyone in sight right?
>>336807209
Good map design awards no clear victor from the beginning. Both teams meet at the same time given the game mode, both teams have a fair chance and layout to give them their advantage on their side.
I.E Dust 2. Watch 3klicksphilip to describe it better but the map is the ONLY 50/50 map in cs:go. Both teams meet at the same time giving ct's a little more time to set up and when you lose its more or less because you were worse then the enemies. Not because of map advantage.
>>336807209
completely depends on the game, but in general a good amount of strategic options while still keeping teams forced to face each other, and the lack of dominant strategies around one weapon/class
it depends on the game what exactly this entails, but in fps games it often means that there's optimal sniper sightlines but not that many, two to three flanks, and verticality in play
>>336804526
lol you're retarded.
>>336807457
So dont shoot when he is reflecting? It isnt rocket surgery
Blizzard games never work with Enduro technology, so I can't play Overwatch, but the few matches I played were very fun, even with my subpar graphics set up slowing everything down to (at times) 25fps.
It's also an interesting twist on the whole team FPS, getting rid of ammo and implement MOBA-like skills. If it'll be successful though, that's not for me to say.I still think this game would benefit a lot more from a f2p model with a shitload of cosmetic choices, ranging from gun models to character skins, than the standard b2p with expansions
>>336807372
Untrue because there are things in League that require real money. Try again.
[indistinct japanese yelling]
Fuck you and your ult Hanzo
>>336801369
I think the champs are balanced but their skill caps are not. Some champs have crazy high skill caps and require tons of work to be effective with. Others are just caveman simple, baby mode champions with Q-to-win ultimates. It's annoying when I'm playing as Hanzo and working my ass off and a reaper just walks up to me, shoots me in the face and then ghosts away. I'm not saying someone can't be skilled with Reaper or Bastion or Soldier but zero-skill is required to be effective with those champs.
Also, the ultimates are unbalanced. Some champs get guaranteed kills with their ults while others don't even get the guarantee of getting their ult off at all.
>>336807209
For fps with more of a quake like feel to it, each major part of the map needs at least 3 entrances/exits and 1 choke point among those exits. It's easier to define the map if its a symmertrical maps., but attack/defense maps get a bit trick but follow the same premise basically,
My main issue is I feel these routes go into areas that are way to fucking cramped, so big aoe's with just rekt your fucking day and how only half the paths are accessible by like genji or pharaoh or someone with retarded mobility, which is bad. You want them to be able to access the route FASTER not having a route DEDICATED for them.
The movement doesn't feel smooth at all.
No airstrafing.
Bland, boring maps that don't flow well at all.
A bit too much eye candy.
No proper scoreboard.
Game is designed around countering so you will be constantly switching between who you play as.
Most of the ultimates are just fucking stupid. Wallhacks? Aimhacks? Instakills? Not my forte.
Most uninteresting characters ever.
Some of the game mechanics are simplified for no reason. Instead of letting you rocket jump yourself, they made a button that does it for you. Why?
Just my personal reasons.
>>336807640
>plays Hanzo
>complains about Q to win ultimates
>>336801369
The fucking stupid "FREE KILLS!!!" ults shatter the idea of a skill ceiling, but it's still fun.
If the ults were completely removed or reworked entirely I'd appreciate it a lot more. As it stands most teams just save their ults and make losing literally impossible when they all activate them in the last push.
>>336807510
>>336807209
for reference, TF2 is a game very much based around mobility, and its best maps allow you to do so, pic related
the problem overwatch has at the moment is that most maps are corridors with one or at best two flanks, but that's also because movement doesn't really matter so i'm not sure how it's solvable
Dreadful servers that keep bottling out.
>>336803098
phara fucks bastion. Just fly into the air and at the very least you'll draw his fire away from your team.
>>336801369
I fucking hate ults, as a concept even.
Every game winning play is Reaper jumping into a group of people and hitting Q after sitting on a roof for half the match
Where's the fucking skill? Why would anybody think that's an entertaining play?
>>336807779
>Movement doesn't matter
>Tracer exists
Jesus christ, these tight corridors make her shit though.
>>336807457
Genji will reflect it onto the bubble shield. Which is why that 3 man combo is so powerful.
>>336807763
I think if they had any sort of wind-up time maybe it would be better.
>ctrl+f tf2
>65 matches
literally every overwatch thread
>>336807861
>fly into the air
>immediately get shot down
>meanwhile your party was doing fucking nothing
I think overwatch is okay but I really hate the concept of cooldown skills in a FPS game
just let me perform all actions like they would be performed instead of having to arbitrarily wait for my grappling hook or whatever to be ready again
>>336807890
it really doesn't, though
just moving faster or slower doesn't make movement matter, there's barely any options that aren't just on the same plane
compare that to any other fps with variable rocket jumping, bunny hopping, or other strategies - overwatch throws this shit out of the window for "big jump with a cool down" and "grappling hook with a cooldown" which is only used to get on a ledge sometimes and nothing else
>>336806580
>counterpicked
But you can repick your characters at any time.
Your team is supposed to switch it up when you notice that your composition doesnt cut it.
This is impossible to coordinate with random people though. But you should play this with friends anyways.
>>336804113
>Scoreboard doesn't show kda.
It's an objective based game, KDA is completely irrelevant
>Assists are called kills.
Shuts up people that get mad about others stealing their kill, which again KDA is irrelevant in a game like this
>Feeders are not shown, feeding enemy kills causes them to have more ult uses.
No one feeds in a game like this. It's a complete waste of time and nonsensical. Since there are no score boards you can never get mad enough to start acting like a child and start feeding. Obviously bad players will feed in the beginning but they'll get better in time and a 40$ paywall prevents a big wave of noobs from playing every day.
>No votekick.
Prevents kicking players just because you don't like them. Everyone should have a chance to play and not be constantly kicked just because they're not as good as you
>No gamemode choice.
Prevents less popular game modes from turning into wastelands
>No suicide button.
For what reason would you want this?
>POTG can't be disabled.
No fun allowed.
>>336807965
>the obvious game to compared to gets mentioned in an overwatch thread
>>336807210
diva is a walking ult
if you took her ult away from her she'd be useless
>>336807210
It's soooooo telegraphed though, Any character with mobility can avoid that shit.
>>336806395
>try to keep line of sight with enemies/allies
>get one shotted by bodyshot widowmaker
>>336808091
Nice, a defense of lack of personal choice by the finest Blizzard shills
holy fuck
>>336808054
But it shouldn't be about counter picking.
In tf2, you play spy against 2 engineers. You die, you don't pick heavy and bum rush them you try and blend in, be more skillful and cunning.
In overwatch if you see a bastion, you don't try and play better as reaper you just switch over to widowmaker and kill him because widow counters bastion.
>>336808091
I almost fell for the bait.
>>336808141
the range shouldn't be that high though.
I feel if she normally deploys from her suit using her ultimate, sure, keep the ridiculous range on it because he has to put herself in the middle of the group to do it.
But letting her boost her mech into the ultimate removes any semblence of danger for her while killing anything within 20 feet of it. You could nerf it by making the boosted version have way less range.
>>336808091
What the fuck is the purpose of this post
OP asked people why they don't like Overwatch, he gave his list of personal reasons on why he doesn't like Overwatch
Well done on refuting those opinions, I guess
>>336807965
There's a reason for that.
>>336806014
>repetitive and shallow
TF2
League of Legends
CS:GO
DOTA 2
There's a reason why these are the biggest games. Plus, the less you need to learn, the more time you get to have fun.
Sorry not every game can be as complicated as Dwarf Fortress or E.Y.E. or something. Look how popular those games are.
>>336808054
>But you can repick your characters at any time.
Only when you die or walk the 10 miles back to spawn.
>>336808017
Yeah I guess you have a point, I wish Tracer had a double jump or something.
Frankly, shes the only hero I find fun. I had plenty of fun when I first tried the beta but now I feel kinda burned out.
>>336807889
Skill for the Reaper? Not so much at that point.
Skill required to counter it by the other team? Higher; they have to react fast enough to avoid him or counter him with their own skills.
Skill for Reaper at that point would be knowing when to properly use his alt.
Individual skill is further superseded by teamwork and the accumulative skill of the team members. I'm not sure how much "skill" you're requiring a game like this to have on an individual level, but you probably just don't like the genre of this game to begin with.
>>336808342
the explosion is LOS based you can stand behind a bush and avoid it
>>336808378
>valve will never roll out a TF3 to compete with OW
goddamn I've missed those orange rocks
>>336808395
Well if you are not dying you are either winning encounters anyways, then there is no need to switch up, or you are being useless and not participating.
I dont see the problem here.
>>336808438
same, it's the same feeling i got from hearthstone
it's fun for a week or so but the skill ceiling is so incredibly low and the gameplay so shallow it quickly becomes boring
i might pick it up if this shit ever goes on sale or something
>>336808378
because tf2 shitters are mad they are still playing a 10 year old game with a shit engine and ERPing furries
>>336808480
You're right, mobas are cancer.
Good skill is skillful movement and dodges and good aim, not pressing the instakill button when you happen on a group of people
>>336808342
You just need to turn a corner. If you get behind ANYTHING you wont die
>>336807905
1 second of reflect will almost completely deplete she shield. This doesn't account for any incidental damage the shield has received prior, of course. 1 second of relfect will also kill a Bastion and could kill the Mercy if she is dumb enough to have her head within LoS. Relect also has a shorter cooldown than Barrier does.
>>336808385
>tf2 is shallow
1v1 me i'll fly circles around you desu
>IT'S HIGH NOO-
>Ice Wall
>>336808385
>tf2 is shallow
i swear only people who have never played tf2 think this
let me guess, your only arguments are also "lol hats" and "poni servers" too, right?
>>336808480
Roadhog is the kind of abilities things should be
Reaper's Q is just baby trash
>>336808658
>reaper
hue hue hue
>>336808658
>Hanzo
>asexual
pls no
How many people really enjoy the game? 22 hours in the beta since the 4th. Not stopping anytime soon.
Post top 5 heroes
>Mercy
>D.Va
>Tracer
>Gengi
>Reaper
>>336808658
>Lucio desperate to lose virginity
Everyone is fucking as early as 12 in Brazil. Being a musician/DJ doesn't hurt either. Especially since its EDM trash.
>>336808858
>IT'S HIGH-
>hooked
>>336808385
I know you're still in the honeymoon phase with this game, but it's seriously clouding your judgement.
>>336808890
>Roadhog is the kind of abilities things should be
if his chain's cooldown was twice as long, sure
>>336808945
>Sniper
>Demoman
>Scout
>Soldier
>Medic
>>336808678
Again, you have to be retarded enough to keep aiming for genji after you realize the shtick he's trying to pull
Once genji realizes he needs to get in close, he'll get fucked by winston mercy desu
It really is very hard to uproot. An even better addition to that combo is mei
Really solidifes the strat
Holy shit TornBorjn is so fucking bad. His turret cant kill anything even at level 3.
>>336808858
>you accidentally cast it underneath him, giving him a better vantage point
>>336808945
>Tracer
>Mercy
>Zenyatta
>Lucio
>D.VA
>>336807759
Hanzo's ult is incredibly easy to dodge.
I'm the only one who is enjoying more the random mode than the normal one?
>>336809030
>dude lets make this cooldown-based game even more heavily cooldown-based for absolutely no reason whatsoever
>>336801369
It is litterally team fortress 2. Except not a piece of shit. You can look at the enemy team comp and know what they are capable of.
>>336809004
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>Shielded
>>336809119
Not when you're in a hallway or behind a wall because lolnoclip
>>336808091
>No one feeds in a game like this.
You're wrong here, because every kill you feed to the enemy will make your team suffer from both them playing without a player for a while and boosting their damage output thanks to ults, further snowballing into more feeding.
gets boring after an hour
not like other games wehere you get bored, take a break and go back to it.
you get bored and never touch it again i mean
>>336808598
>go on reddit overwatch forum
>top post is literally "look at this pentakill my 11 year old son got
>it's literally him pressing Q with reaper
fuck this game, it's TF2 for people who didn't want to learn the learning curve of TF2
I'm really enjoying the game so far, fun as fuck when playing with friends as well. Only major problem I have with it (apart from the lack of a scoreboard) is that I can kinda see it getting stale sorta fast.
Is the beta basically what the full game will be like? (Without including ranked.) Just playing random pub games and slowly leveling up to get random cosmetic shit?
As a D.VA player balance issues are putting me off the more i play.
She has the worst ult, her damage sucks, her crit zone is insane, she can barely move when shooting and her damage drop off is insane.
Then you have shits like Bastion.
Decent ULT, no damage drop off, no damage spread, can literally snipe halfway across the map and deal insane damage doing it.
Respawn included in a default game mode has never appealed to me. It reduces the tactical element of a game. It was only popularized because poor players didn't like sitting out between rounds.
>>336808706
>>336808859
I have over 1000 hours in TF2, no idle. Bought it on launch for $20, and have that Gold Medal.
TF2 IS shallow.
>>336809110
It freaks me out everytime it happens to me.
>>336809295
>>it's literally him pressing Q with reaper
A tank can dispose of him very easily.
>>336809341
>Is the beta basically what the full game will be like?
Blizzard said this beta is what the full game is like.
>>336809367
Again, i'll fly circles around you
>>336809075
If you aren't shooting then what is stopping everyone from killing you? Also why would Genji need to get in close? His ranged attacks deal more damage overall.
>>336809360
t. jonte 14 years old and the school champion at counterstrike: go
>>336809241
Why would you be fighting a Hazno while in a hallway in the first place?
>>336801369
It's kinda fun but extremely shallow.
You don't even have to try because you can literally shatter a team with one press of Q.
>>336808945
>Pharah
>Roadhog
>Mercy
>Junkrat
>Torbjorn
>prep phase exists just so defenders can camp the attackers spawn
>7 second respawn time
>15 second walk back to the objective
>broken characters everywhere
>>336808858
>DIE DIE D-UGHHH
>>336809554
>prep phase exists
Yes it's just like tf2 except attackers cant do anything except give each other armor
>>336807210
Reinharts shield can block it.
Winstons shield can block it
Fuckin lamp posts can block it
https://youtu.be/3MT1z2m_9ro?t=32s
in addition to the multitude of reasons that others have brought up:
pitifully slow movement, long walkbacks for no reason, teleporter is not a baseline ability
Q is usually just a 'fuck you' cooldown, not actual strategy or skill, only character swapping can beat some characters
only 2 game modes, garbage character personalities, no darkness at all, no explanation for this fight to be happening
there's also the problem that I personally have, which is that they're designing the game around high level play, which means characters that have weird abilities are being nerfed because they are sometimes good, symmetra is trash because she can dominate in some odd scenarios and has a useful Q
its EXTREMELY unpolished and unfinished. This is an alpha build at best
>£45 for f2p shit
>>336802997
go back to fucking your ponies you austic fag
>weak gunplay
>mostly uninteresting character mechanics
>weak class system
>hero usefulness varies map to map, mode to mode (ie poor balancing)
>maps all feel the same - no interesting designs
>weak graphics
>heroes have almost no flavor dialogue in-game (TF2 did this well)
>no lolis
>>336809468
Nice projection. I have never played CS:GO. If you like this game, go ahead and continue to enjoy it. As an old man, I'm not the target audience of the game to begin with. You can go fuck yourself if you were offended because I don't share your opinion.
>>336808945
Mercy
Lucio
Symmetra
Soldier
JunkratNobody supports so I feel I have to for the good of the team.
>>336807205
>it's a competitive tf2fag is mad that his dead game has been dealt a deathblow from overwatch episode
>>336809456
1v1 me on hydro, kid
as long as you don't play on those furry erp servers.
i swear its like everyone left who plays TF2 is either gay or a furry.
It wasn't my first point, but i now realize this shit is extremely commonplace in TF2. Probably because there are no female characters.
Hell, even one of my friends who keeps telling me he's not gay plays with naked character models.
on second thought, i refuse your challenge, gay people are mentally ill.
>try Symmetra
>her ult doesn't start recharging until the teleporter has been destroyed
how can one character be so shit?
>>336809723
respawning during the round has been standard since doom deathmatch
Every single character's voice lines are total cringe. This is the biggest thing that is objectively inferior to TF2especially D.Va
>>336809650
Funny i had an enemy winston block it for me
>get out of mech
>winston tosses me into a corner next to mech
>he's about to savagely assfuck dva
>Mech blows up
>monkey dies
> i walk away unraped
>potg
P H A R A H
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>>336801785
>practically no skill ceiliing
So it's the deepest game ever made?
ITT people who played it for one hour.
>>336809774
Does her teleporter die when she dies? I would have to imagine it remains active, otherwise that would be beyond shit.
How to fix the game
You can't change classes once the game starts
>>336809774
At least her charge shot goes through reinhardts shield, that's something right? What even determines if you can shield someone? It doesn't seem to work all the time and fees arbitrary.
>>336809612
>Reaper Wraith Walks toward a group
>OH GEE I WONDER WHAT HE'S ABOUT TO DO
>>336809768
the real niggas hang out on 32 player 2fort servers
>>336801369
No depth, I'll probably get bored of playing the few characters whose gameplay I like before the beta ends, sparing me $40
>>336809875
No ceiling is 0 u tard
>>336809962
shields last until they die anon
its like giving them a permanent 25 HP boost that can recharge
>>336809475
they don't need to be in a hallway, that detection arrow+ult can almost abliterate a full team without them even see it coming.
>>336809938
Symmetra's shit stays until it's destroyed.
However the enemy team is notified of teleporters existing.
>>336809768
Hydro is shit though
Gullywash or steel is where it's at
>>336810003
>Enemy team unaware
>Teleport to back platform jump in and ult
>Shot down by corner Bastion
Send help
>>336801369
Because Widowmaker, every FPS with a sniper in it is automatically cancer.
>>336809938
As long as you are persistent in keeping turrets up that shit charges fast.
>/v/ hates TF2 ever since they started adding hats/weapons
>/v/ now loves TF2 since hating Overwatch is the new meme
This is why I stopped listening to you guys.
We've had thousands, if not tens of thousands of threads over the past few years complaining about TF2. Even /tf2g/ threads on /vg/ complain. Literally no thread here after the character updates were talking positively about the game - and forget aobut when they added MvM, everyone complained about the ticket shit because it was just like CS:GO operations.
Now all the sudden everyone loves TF2? I know /v/ isn't one person, but you guys need to stop memeing. The Overwatch hate is uncalled for. It may have it's problems, and it may be >just a beta, but TF2 definitely is worse off than Overwatch. The only thing TF2 does better than Overwatch is story and character development. That, and servers.
Hating on Overwatch is the new meme here. /v/ is literally the only place that hates it.
Why not hate on a game that actually deserves it, like Battleborn?
>>336809861
>JUSTICE-
Welcome to the apocalypse
I played to lvl 17 with all random brawl match so I got to play all the characters.
I made PotG, and got my postgame cookies clicked, as just about everyone.
My young teen nephews did as well on Xbone and PC.
It's cute and all but it's just another shallow grind.
Unless there's more to it on launch I don't see the sense in buying a f2p game.
>>336810005
>not playing with 64 players on engie_2fort building teleporters/dispensers in one of the intelligence rooms and spamming the engineers default dance taunt
>>336801463
I was so surprised how watered down and basic everything was. It's going to be the game I play when I'm too tired to play Battleborn. It's ok, but honestly I liked the new Doom beta more than I did this OW beta.
>>336810265
And gameplay.
People are cool with TF2 now because Overwatch made it clear hats and shit didn't really change that aspect
>>336810285
>another shallow grind.
You know the unlockables are all just cosmetics right?
>>336808858
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>hmm, i wonder if genji can deflect his ult *press e*
>DING
>UGH
>>336809962
Shield people with Symmetra? You can Shield everyone once. But they lose it if they die.
>>336810365
>tfw haven't seen a 64 player 2fort server in a longass time
suffering
>>336806642
Having character abilities is the only MOBA mechanic it has.
Also your reasoning is retarded. This game is terrible
>>336810414
>people are cool with TF2 now because hats are okay
You must be new here, /v/ says hats are what brought the casuals in since it's become a hat trading simulator + its f2p.
repetitive
theres what, 2 game modes?
also not worth its price tag
>>336807149
I think the game is shit but half the stuff you listed is personal preferrence
>>336810197
>team just leaves enemy windowcamper alone to potshot us as we leave the safe room
>forced to switch roles just to take care of her
>team has no supports or tanks now
I take back my earlier comments about dva being shit.
I didn't realise you could boost then eject.
>>336810265
We still love tf2, we just stopped posting on /v/ because it gets met with infinite shitposting.
It's like melee in 2014-2015.
If you tried to post a melee thread people would just rail you for it and most people shifted to smash boards or anther's ladder. Now it's completely okay though.
A lot of people are stuck in this 2007-2011 mindset like
>ohh boy melee is shit
>playing party games seriously
>competitive tf2 :^)
>muh hats simulator
It's funny because not even the real fgc hates melee like they did in 07'
>>336808573
Go back to giving Blizz some more money
Come on shoo
>>336809030
>even more waiting around between cooldowns
Moba shitters will ruin this game
>>336810265
everyone who hate tf2 because of its changes would have to have played it prior to them to be genuine
tf2, despite all the change, is still itself a good game at it's core
a lot of it's core problems have come from it's community and the direction valve has taken towards pleasing it
and despite it all, despite all the changes, /v/'s personal class fetish, the Soldier, has remained constant almost the entire way through and in most ways improved, especially with some fun side weapons like beggars and viable side grades like banner and gunboats
most people, including myself, can still pick up tf2 and still do the same soldier no matter what weird gimmick someone is running, like the phlog or loose cannon
>>336805114
>or at least stuff like trashcans and lamp posts, etc
There's a ton of shit that can be destroyed/knocked around littered all over the maps, though. That's one of the things that impressed me.
>>336810179
P R O C E S S
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>>336810850
and by destroyed, he means "you smashed its screen but geometrically it's still the same"
>>336809749
>dead
>69 K players currently playing
>dead
>can't take an opinion so just say the person is salty over dead game
>dead
>>336806474
Found the shitter
>>336801369
I refuse to support that company
>>336811072
give me one good reason to play orb nigga over lucio
why put in more effort to play orb nigga when i can put in less effort as lucio and get better results
How to fix Symmetra:
Give her Tolberone's ability but with health packs.
>>336810442
You can reflect any projectile. Including Hanzo's ult (he fires an arrow that summons the dragon, turning the dragon against his team) and Zarya's ult
>>336810092
>tfw used to be 50
>>336811217
>Tolberone's
I want some chocolate now
>>336811215
tank shredding with discord orbs
>>336811248
>Including Hanzo's ult
that myth was busted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MT1z2m_9ro
>>336811215
One can kill Bastion.
>>336807442
They're still really fucking good though.
Zenyatta can still discord and drop people faster than most assault characters if you can aim his orbs
Symmetra's teleporter is game changing, and even 25 shield is enough to at least keep Tracers/Zens out of Widow bodyshot range.
The nerfs were deserved.
>>336807210
Worst ult is that fucking junkrat bomb. At least you've got a chance to outrun the radius on D.Va and you can see it coming. Junkrat bomb is faster than you and can chase you around corners.
>PLAY OF THE GAME
>>336801369
lots going on in a first person shooter.
if the wast wast 3rd person ill buy it
>>336811410
>lets nerf support
>in a game where instagib mccree and roadhog combos exist
>>336810430
cases are mspaint icons, flat cringe dialog, sometimes a cool skin.
The art and animation departments did an outstanding job with what they have to work with.
It'll be free in China and SA which this game is aimed for while the b2p's will be safely behind their paywall.
>>336811378
Nah, those guys are faggots and you're a faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVquMhCta8
you know what else was shallow and lacking when it first started?
TF2
>>336807457
Or junkrat, or pharah, or tracer ult, or any kind of flank. The kid is literally talking about devoting half the team to one spot with bastion it's laughable. Perfect example of the pug playing scrub.
I'm sorry to say this, but if you pug, you know NOTHING about this game. You don't teamplay and you don't coordinate. Your opinions are skewed to an unviable play style
>>336811507
Roadhog needs to be able to actually land his hook and follow up shot.
>Mcree
I'll give you that one, his fan the hammer is way too fucking good even up to mid range. It's just way too forgiving for something that does 400 damage in a second.
>>336807661
This feels like one of those lists a teenager conjures up so he can be contrary to the games his friends play
They need to remove ults. Press Q to teamwipe is really obnoxious.
>>336811378
>German Engineering can charge a self destructing Mech away from his team
That's fucking heroic.
>>336807974
>pugging
K kid, sure you know how the game works
How do I git gub at D.Va
>>336811705
the hook is fucking hitscan
>>336801369
My biggest complaint is there are only a few "even matchups" between heroes.
McKee fucks up Tracer, Genji fucks up Bastion, all the matchups are, for the most part, one sided.
It's not the matchups themselves I dislike, I think Bastion having a "counterpick" gives the game a little more flavor, almost like a fighting game, almost. The problem is there aren't many even or close matchups.
>>336808945
Pharah
Junkrat
Zenyatta
Genji
Mcree
i fucking suck with mcree though, i swear aiming is a little off in this game
>>336807974
Fire a Concussive Blast first
>>336809768
sick dodge
Also,
>no female characters = gay
So the dude bros that liked CoD before Advanced Warfare are gay?
>>336809341
theres gonna be a ranked mode im pretty sure
unlocks at 30 i heard
the thing that is both a strength and weakness of this game is it is so basic, theres no choice of weapons like in tf2 or tribes, theres no exploitable mechanics like in quake where people fly around at a million miles an hour
you can jump in never having played before and feel yourself improve within an hour
2-3 hours in and you feel competent
>>336802339
I know a guy that goes to Tekken Tournaments and he still likes to play Legend of Zelda. You can enjoy more than one type of game.
>>336805056
how about some more fucking game modes fgt
>>336812546
TF2 launched with three game modes.
>zymmetra is super shit
>see enemy shooting at me
>run back and try to set up turrets for a trap
>the stupid bitch actually stops to set them up
>enemy catches up and kills me
Jesus Christ Blizzard this character is awful.
>>336812160
well to be fair anyone who liked CoD in general was gay, so sure.
>>336812631
yeah but it wasn't $40-$60.
>>336812631
>TF2 launched with three game modes.
a/d, 5cp, ctf, tc
>>336812953
I mean gay as in actual homosexual, not gay as in being an obnoxious faggot.
>>336813185
"Initially, the game launched with only three game modes (CP, CTF, TC) spread across six maps (Dustbowl, Granary, Gravel Pit, Well, 2Fort, Hydro)."
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/List_of_maps
>>336813139
It also has half the maps and less than half the characters.
>>336811435
This doesn't even make me mad, because at least you have to aim as Bastion to shoot people. The one that pisses me off the most is Hanzo shooting his ult at the point and killing half a team. Most of the time they don't even know if it'll do shit and just shoot at a wall in that direction.
>>336811828
Play another character unfortunately. She needs buffs
>>336813185
would ctf work in overwatch? im just thinking like, are there any classes that would be op or what restrictions would you put on the flag carrier.
i mean main strongest runners are tracer and genji so maybe you cant use abilities or something? fuick knows
>>336811828
Fly in, harass, fly out
If you need to fly in head first, throw your shield up and fly in at the same time (both can be active at once.)
>>336812631
Oh I'm sorry thought we were discussing Overwatch, that discussion wasnt comparing it to tf2 ffs
>>336813367
5cp and a/d are two different game modes even if they both start cp_
>It also has half the maps and less than half the characters.
Tf2 had way more character than overwatch.
>>336813703
When you say something is "not enough", you need precedence for what is "enough" in your mind to even have the thought and say it.
Obviously you were thinking of TF2, when talking about how there's "not enough" content.
Or were you thinking of some other incomparable irrelevant game?
>>336813787
>5cp and a/d are two different game modes even if they both start cp_
No
>Tf2 had way more character than overwatch.
>I can't read!
>>336813465
CTF would be difficult given just how ridiculous Genji and Tracer are. I don't know how you could possibly stop a Genji who's knocking all your projectiles back at you and climbing over walls outside of having 2 bastions and a reinhardt guarding the flag at all times. Maybe make it like Halo where the flag is a weapon and holding it restricts all of your abilities beyond melee.
>>336804257
>>336804113
I actually like this because I prefer the focus to be on objectives. Maybe because I'm objectively shit at the game, but I enjoy not worrying about KDA.
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