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>>336645564
too many viral threads
Teammates.
Basically little to no depth and reason to keep coming back to it. Certainly not worth $40
Blizzard
>>336645564
It's a $40 version of Duck Game.
And Duck Game might have more depth.
>>336645564
It doesn't come near to TF2 in its prime.
>>336645748
It's not even out yet "in its prime"
>>336645564
It's a fun game and all but no where near worth the full price purchase
>>336645564
It's a fun casual game, but that's about it.
It has the depth of a kiddie pool in terms of skill needed, so I can see it being extremely popular.
It came out the same time as Paragon and Battleborn
>>336645564
>No loudouts.
>No additional weapons.
>No talents.
>No effect-changing skins.
>No custom lobbies.
>No private games.
>No capture the flag.
>No team deathmatch.
>No MOBA elements.
>No progression.
>Slow as fuck movement
>Horrible melee combat.
>Shallower versions of Heroes of The Storm characters, which are usually copies of LoL characters, anyway.
Overwatch feels like a game that should've come out at the dawn of the FPS genre, not this far into it. It's outclassed in every way by Battleborn and its competitors aside from character charisma.
>>336646861
battleborn looks like absolute shit though
>>336646861
>effect-changing skins
>talents
>loadouts
kek, did you play too much Halo or P2W shooters or something
>>336647036
No, but I expect to make my play-style individualistic in some way, fucking dipshit.
Even Doom/Quake let me choose my weapons.
>>336646141
paragon isnt even in the same genre
>>336646861
>No MOBA elements.
THat's a good thing.
>>336647024
Graphically, yes. Battleborn is shit.
But at least the player matters. Overwatch you just pick a character and play it the way you're supposed to or you're straight done.
>>336647534
No, it really isn't, because they've taken MOBA inspiration and thrown out the gameplay of it. It's essentially a watered down FPS with no individuality.
IT'S HIGH NOON IT'S HIGH NOON IT'S HIGH NOON IT'S HIGH NOON IT'S HIGH NOON SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD IT'S HIGH NOON IT'S HIGH NOON
>Genji's ultimate doesn't one-shot and is a Melee attack
>Bastion's ultimate one-shot's non-tanks and is ranged
>>336647250
Neither is battleborn
The beta is very fun
but now you have seen the entire game
this will have no staying power, will sell well then die in two months time
I can't fuck D.Va.
too many tracers
>>336647736
This. Unless they plug some serious content into this thing, it's fucking dead.
>>336647534
Moba elements are great if done right. In-game levels make it so no two games are identical and you can specialize in something if needed, creeps are a nice distraction and towers are an easy objective for even the dumbest retard to try and destroy
>maps are bad
>game modes are stale 10+ year old modes
>everyone is slow as fuck movespeed
>everyone dies in 2-3 hits from anything
>every map is a chokepoint
>every match is a meat grinder at the end
>every game is you vs your team vs the enemy team
>no fun allowed
>winning/killing isn't even satisfying since you don't work for it
>>336647736
Its a blizzard game, people will buy it for that reason heck all my friends preordered without looking into it.
>>336646861
>Shallower versions of Heroes of The Storm characters, which are usually copies of LoL characters, anyway
Oh man I kek'd at that retarded statement.
LoL characters were copies first. Of Dota characters. Which were copies of WC3 characters.
>>336647818
>When you're Hanzo and 420 noscoping people so much half of the team changes to Tracer and spends the rest of the game trying to shit on you but they lose anyway
Game is fun. f2p kids don't have $40 to spend on a game. Can't pirate.
>>336648019
>You didn't needlessly expound on something that was already long-winded so it's retarded.
Nice needless post and knowledge you waste of life.
>>336648019
Only a few DotA characters were clones of Warcraft 3 characters. I'm pretty sure since long before either DotA 2 or LoL existed all heroes copied from WC3 characters were changed or remade.
I know this is basically asking for shitpost replies, but I am 100% sincere: Consoles are the biggest part of what went wrong. Besides the obvious focus-grouping that went into this game, the fact that OW has to be on consoles will severely limit its lifespan. Game like this need community and it just won't get the injections of content it needs to have to maintain a community.
>>336645564
>6v6
DOA
>game literally hasn't come out yet
>already 50 threads against or for it
>>336648315
The Open Beta is going on right now you slow retard
>>336648315
Everyone is playing it for free; it's out.
game seems fun but i do wonder about its long term viability
will they add new weapons? new classes? different skills? how many of these will be micro transactions? seems like a lot of effort went into cosmetic variety but not much game play variety
also takes too long to get to the objective most of the time
>>336648273
>the fact that OW has to be on consoles will severely limit its lifespan.
if anything it will increase it since consoles have no games and people will play anything. fuck they're even playing bf3 by the thousands
>>336646861
>no loadouts
>no effect-changing skins
>no MOBA elements
I fail to see how these are bad in any way.
>>336648347
so?
it hasn't been officially released yet
>>336646048
goddamn I love robotjoe's girls.
>>336648382
Honestly, I don't know any console owner that is buying this game. Man, one of the guys I know isn't buying it because no one he knows is buying it, and his friends list has like 500 people on it and he regularly played with half of those people or more.
>>336645564
The best part of Overwatch free beta was that I realized how much more fun I had with Garden Warfare 2...it even looks a lot better, and considering Blizzard is filthy rich, that's pretty sad.
>>336648394
>I-it's a beta!
If you think they're going to change shit, you're pretty dumb pal.
shit teammates
>>336648507
dude how old are you, like 15?
>>336648393
>I fail to see how no individuality is bad.
That's because you're a moron.
>>336648482
Not that anon but my friends aren't buying it for the same reason. I got a "I'd buy it on pc but I prefer controllers" out of one guy so that's the console market for you.
>>336645564
Mei isn't the main character
>>336648569
>I have nothing intelligent to say, but I bet this guy is insecure about his age! That's my attack route for sure!
>All these people acting like it has no depth
lol
>All these people like it won't be patched/updated
double lol
>>336648746
Jesus christ you sound like a total faggot.
>>336648746
thanks for proving my point i guess
>>336647552
I like the way Battleborn looks too. Dat Caldarius shine.
Also, they're different games.
>>336648651
>Turn corner
>See a Mei standing there
>Take hands off keyboard and just wait for death
Its terrible
The spawn rooms for defense right next to the last point on most of the maps, and respawn times are the same on both teams.
Real amateur team FPS design.
>>336645564
>What went wrong?+ 0 post omitted.
It was too dumbed down.
Blizzard is also shit at visual design.
>>336648651
A-Mei-zing
A-Mei-zing
A-Mei-zing
>>336648507
the game has changed alot since the last beta I was in.
>>336648393
One thing I find disappointing as fuck is how bland some characters are and just how disproportionately designed some are compared to others.
Take Winston for example. He can shoot, jump, has a shield and his ult is basically he can melee people.
Now take Junkrat. He can shoot, place land mines and bear traps and remotely trigger the land mines. He can also rocket jump off of the land mines. If he dies he drops several grenades around him. His ult is a remotely controlled explosive.
Winston has 4 abilities with minimal alternative uses.
Junkrat has like 6 abilities and at least one has an alternative use (rocket jumping off of mines).
It's kind of dumb how some characters seem to have shoot, one other ability and an ult, while others seem to have 20 fucking abilities.
>>336645564
Nothing. If the beta is any indication this game is polished and very fun.
>>336648394
Its out in like two weeks man, the beta has more than enough content to really judge the game.
>>336648790
Are you seriously implying overwatch has any kind of meaningful depth
>she liked it
>>336648904
>Not shooting her in her stupid fat face with a grenade
>>336648790
I haven't posted in this thread, nor do I have any special investment in the game. That being said, I think it'll probably be updated since it's blizzard we're talking about.
But by the same token, it IS Blizzard so I have no idea of the assurance of quality in content or in general business practices.
Nearly every IP that Blizzard is in charge of currently has been shitting the bed with content updates in the past few years. In fact I'm amazed that Overwatch is launching relatively scot free. HotS business model is fucking terrible and one of the more recent WoW patches simply added shit like "Twitter integration"
>tldr
I'm not confident all the updates will be positive ones.
>>336646861
Most of your points are garbage and contradictory.
>>336648927
Mei Reinhardt Bastion and Junkrat all exist for a reason.
Also, it's like CS. The maps are designed to be played with each team playing as offense then switching to defense (or vice-versa), If you think it's unfair, you're just not sticking around for the second half of the game.
>>336648746
Only a 15 year old upset at getting his age insulted would act like this.
>>336649084
>D.VA
>Grenades
Boost was on CD. Shooting Mei just slows you down even more
>>336649063
oops, wrong file
Why are you people saying it has no depth
There's infinite team compositions you can make, each character is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, wit their own set of skills
That's the opposite of no depth
>>336648273
>Consoles are the biggest part of what went wrong
This.
>>336649027
Are you implying it doesn't?
>>336649106
The team seems like they're listening to the community so far. It seems like they realized their demographic is the "hardcore" FPS crowd that wants a competitive game and not the hug-box reddit casual demographic. I hope they continue to balance for people that know what they're doing rather than shitters.
>>336645564
This game is better than Bloodborne.
>>336645638
/thread
Why the fuck is there so much visual clutter on the screen, it's impossible to see anything
>>336649241
proud of you
>>336648867
Thanks for proving mine.
>>336649265
Because at the end of the day, there is very little to each character. One 5 minute long game is enough to see everything a character has to offer.
If it's taking you 5 minutes to fully experience a character, it can't have a lot of depth you know?
I'm buying it on PS4 because it contradicts the people saying nobody they know is buying it on consoles
>>336645564
There are too many other competitive developers for Blizzard's broad appeal to work like it used to.
I played it for 4 hours today.
Playing against bots is boring, playing against other players is annoying.
Not gonna buy it.
>>336648273
You realize unreal tournament, Quake 3, CSGO, and TF2 were all on consoles, right?
They're gonna do the bare-minimum to support consoles and they've already made PC only changes and confirmed they'll be balanced separately.
>>336648869
>They're different games.
Stop saying this dumb shit.
>>336647736
Tf2 released additional content very sparingly in the first few years and stuck around fine. Meanwhile this game has 3 times as many characters (which even abiding by the "hurt durr no weapons loadout" argument amounts to an at least comparable amount of depth) and you're so sure it'll die? Needlessly cynical opinion you got there.
>>336649409
dude go back to playing csgo or dota or whatever kids ur age are playing and stay away from here
>>336645602
Ya all of these Overwatch threads taking away from the so important Dark Souls threads
>>336648927
>Real amateur team FPS design.
As expected by what's basically the PvP mode of a canceled MMO.
>>336649487
It is a different game though. Prove him wrong.
>you won't prove him wrong you'll just shitpost some more
epic
>>336649415
You can experience everything a class in TF2 or the Quake 3 character can do in 5 minutes too. Stop being reductive.
>>336649323
>The team seems like they're listening to the community so far
I mean we'll just have to see down the line. There's a mountain of evidence against them based on precedent, and as to the current state of the game, not much has actually been changed aside from a few balance tweaks and useless alteration to a pose because some dad got butthurt.
The general design of the game seems like it's more catering to casuals than it is "hardcore fps fans"
Still it's a refreshing change of pace from the average dudebro shooter at the moment.
>>336649373
meanwhile the health bar is nearly transparent and tiny.
I got used to it, but I wish UI customization was supported.
>>336649479
Annoying because you couldn't have fun because you were doing poorly? Go be a noob somewhere else.
>>336649063
>dick
that's like gay though man
>>336649427
My pc is a toaster and i'm too afraid to buy it on ps4 because its most likely going to be ded on consoles in like 6 months. Also some characters are tough enough to follow with a mouse, controller would be hell.
>>336649621
the skill ceiling in this game is the equivalent of a paddling pool, i doubt he did poorly
I should save all these salt-posts about failure now; they're gonna be great when the game is still going strong circa 2020.
>>336649659
I would say that it comes down to just how feminine the penis is, really
>>336645638
this
WHY THE FUCK ARE TEAMMATES RETARDED
>too many snipers
>they continue to all stay fucking snipers
or
>I am a healer
>they still run away and try and find health and leave me alone with objective
>>336649596
Here's a pity (You) cause thats the worst bait I've ever seen
>>336649606
>not much has actually been changed
What about the numerous game-modes and maps they've added already? Weekly Brawl too. They've all ready added more than they said they were going to have at launch.
>>336649717
>going to be dead on consoles in 6 months
>Diablo 3 is superior on PS4
>PS4 has the most active STAR WARS™: BattleFront™ community still
It's a MOBA trying to be a TF2 clone
>>336649824
Explain why you can't.
Widows grappling hook has a stupidly long CD make it 6 seconds not 12
>>336649917
>MOBA
I don't think you know what that means
>>336649527
bro, TF2 has dedicated servers and lots of custom maps and game modes; you can keep people coming back, and these servers garner communities within themselves. TF2 also has solid and for the most part balanced gameplay.
Overwatch will get boring below the 100 hour mark
>>336649917
Its not a MOBA and nothing like a MOBA, thanks for dropping by and confirming you haven't even played it.
>>336649596
And I never said those games have depth.
Take Tracer for example. When I played her I was left saying to myself "is that all?".
She has a shoot which has no depth at all. It's fast, but short range. You get close to people and shoot them with it. It has 1 use.
She has a dash with 3 uses that quickly recharge. You either use it to get close to people and shoot them, or to get away from people shooting at you. It has 2 uses.
She has a sticky bomb with tiny range but is almost a guaranteed 1 hit kill. This is another ability that has no depth. You get close to people and use it to kill them, it has 1 use.
She can also rewind time for herself slightly. This is her only ability with any kind of depth because it can heal damage and move you out of harms way. It has 2 uses, heal yourself or move out of the way of damage.
That is not depth. All of her abilities have 1 or 2 uses and she only has 4 abilities (of which two are very similar).
>>336649154
Contradictory how?
i don't particularly like it, but i don't have any issues with anyone else liking it.
>>336649719
I disagree. Through a mix of strategy of picks/counters as well as the inherent skill ceiling of fps aiming to play this game optimally takes I'd say a notch less skill than Tf2 which has a very high ceiling competitively.
How do you fix him?
>>336645564
No symmetrical maps and some heroes being ridiculously more overpowered than others, each form for each hero should've had 2 weapons at least.
>>336649717
>some characters are tough enough to follow with a mouse, controller would be hell.
You're not wrong. It's impossible to follow Tracer on PS4.
It balances out though, because Tracer has just as much trouble turning to find you while teleporting.
>>336649917
Literally the only similarity is the basic design of heros (abilities+cooldowns) the vast majority of this game is a mixture of Tf2 and halo.
>>336649998
>bro, TF2 has dedicated servers and lots of custom maps and game modes; you can keep people coming back, and these servers garner communities within themselves.
None of which were there at launch, and all of which are dead now.
>TF2 also has solid and for the most part balanced gameplay.
Tf2 aint balanced, and Overwatch is already fairly balanced itself. IT's also not even out yet, now isn't the time to be complaining about balance issues.
>Overwatch will get boring below the 100 hour mark
I just passed 100 between the OB and the CB, and I'm not tired yet, my enjoyment shows no signs of stopping.
Also: It's not an either-or, you can still play TF2, and I plan to do so.
>>336650069
Damage drop off, otherwise he's fine
>>336650016
You farm lanes for cash to buy gear until you get an ultimate and pentakill the teamfight and push the towers. Pretty much an DOTA exactly.
>>336649621
no it's annoying because it's 21 unbalanced heroes in a forced 6v6 one shot shitshow with push to win mechanics give away for free
>>336650142
>No symmetrical maps
confirmed for not playing.
>>336649867
>numerous game-modes and maps
They've added one game mode, and 3 maps for that game-mode.
As for future plans they've only explicitly stated that they would like to add more characters eventually.
If all we get is more characters and maps that's not necessarily bad, but it most likely won't add any extra depth to the game than what we've already got.
The maps are probably my biggest problem so far, pretty much all of them flow the exact same way, with nothing but visuals to distinguish them.
>>336650069
How do we fix her?
>>336650065
>the inherent skill ceiling of fps aiming
>in a 20 tick rate game
Yeah getting shot through a wall takes skill
>>336650165
>tracer on consoles
>>336650069
Remove him.
>>336647817
biggest problem right here
>>336650042
>A short ranged gun has no depth at all
Wow, just like every other one purpose weapon in TF2 and every game ever?
>Dash
You can use it to blink over pits and even up certain obstacles. It can also be used to evade in a 1v1 scenario and fuck with your opponent.
>Sticky bomb
Not much to say here.
>Time rewind
Can be used to flank, heal, ammo reset, and as an additional blink in extended fights.
The depth is fine.
It would be fine as a $20 game
>>336649824
>Can't refute anything
>oh wait, let's call his post bait
>>336650305
I did, no maps have symmetrical starts. At least none in my hour of playtime.
>>336650308
let me impregnate her
>>336645564
>went wrong
It's open beta, no?
I never realized how satisfying Winston could be.
>>336649998
You have a decent point about the community aspect of servers but I think the gaming community is connected enough through external communities and with party features people can still get a similar experience.
>>336650276
i think you are confusing this game with battleborn
>tfw Bastion attacks you an Genji
Nothing personel kid
>>336649762
This has been my exact experience.
Also that retarded tank you're trying to buff to push into the objective and they just sit back and keep peaking walls.
>>336650142
Every character in the game needed alternate fire, a movement ability and a passive.
It's weird how some characters get this and others don't for no apparent reason.
>>336650381
>he takes the open beta meme seriously
>not realizing its just a free trial to boost sales two weeks from now
>>336649998
>TF2 also has solid and for the most part balanced gameplay.
Literally keked. When competitive enforces class limits/bans just to achieve balance, you know something is fucked up. Don't get me started on the horrible weapon releases over the years, some of which were never balanced properly even to this day.
>>336649621
>noob
Do people still say that? Am I back in 2003?
>>336650381
Its a soft opening, the game is out in a few weeks
>>336650308
Find some kind of way to let me plunge my penis deep inside of her
>>336650042
The depth is in how you use them.
Explain to me a character in a shooter who you think is complex and I'll be just as reductive as you're being.
You're being obtuse for the sake of argument.
>>336650308
Make the splash of her Q even larger so I can get Hexakills for free.
>>336648507
Yarp 'cause no other Blizzard game ever changed
Some heroes are blatantly outclassed by others
D Va, Symmetra
Are there any fun characters?
Closest I've found is Reinhardt
Boring after 10 hours of playing, shame because I was really looking forward to this game too.
>>336650370
So you didn't play any KotH? I think you're lying, m8.
Nothing the games fine.
>Project Titan mmo was turned into this
>WoW suffered and decayed for years for this
This whole game feels like the pvp mode for a first person mmo that will never be.
>no deathmatch mode
>forced 6v6 competetive all the time
>can't even select which game mode you want to play
why does blizzard treat us like this? they do the same thing in heroes of the storm too.
oh you want to play on a specific map? fuck you
why is valve the only gaming company left with any sense
>>336650550
>Symmetra
>blatantly outclassed
Never have I seen a more wrong statement in my life
>>336649154
>no MOBA elements
How is this inherently a bad thing? The game isn't even trying to be a MOBA. Having 'hero's' with unique abilities doesn't make a game a MOBA, although it might appeal to that audience. Overwatch is a Tf2 successor. I'd go point by point with the rest if I weren't on mobile, but that's the main retardation in your logic.
>>336650657
It is a real problem considering how garbage some of the map playlists are. I'd rather just avoid whole game modes entirely as a result.
>>336650560
Lucio is pretty fun especially on a team with loads of tanks
Went the sniper class, and shot everyone I'm the head, got called a hacker then uninstalled because everyone fucking sucked and the tick rate is really fucking noticeable. Back to CS for me
>>336650550
What do you mean? Symmetra is a must have on defence in any mode. Otherwise you need to run through entire map after death.
It's fun but really unbalanced for example I think Hanzo does far too much damage and Torbjorns sentry is very overpowered.
I would say my only fear is that it ends up like the other shooters released this year that no one plays anymore like Siege and other shit I can't think of.
>>336650069
>How do you fix him?
Add spread and damage drop off past a certain range. Minigun that fires that fast having the accuracy of a sniper rifle just makes me want to keep my money.
>>336650461
Noob is the 'cool' of gaming. It's been used since online gaming began and will be used forevermore.
>>336650308
Her Q needs to be able to go through close walls. Dropping it and having the entire team just walk around the corner is guff
>>336650657
>why is valve the only gaming company left with any sense
Because their primary goal is just making fun games rather than appealing to console retards or forcing esports shit into everything.
overwatch looks and plays like Brink, but worse. bravo Blizzard
>>336650365
I'm done debating, I'm not going to argue with blizzdrones. But fine, tell me how you mastered all forms of rocket jumping in 5 minutes with soldier.
>>336650797
>Picking Symmetra over le Dwarf Man of OP Sentries
git gud
>>336650283
Literally none of that sentence makes sense. You must have played a different game amigo.
>>336650550
>Play Reinhardt
>Melee wrecks shit
>Dash is fucking massive range, does damage and can kill most shit instantly
>Shield is invincible
>Huge damage ranged attack
>Massive range AOE stun for an ult
>Play Winston
>Get some piddling damage almost melee range lightning gun
>Have a jump that does a flat, fairly low amount of damage
>Shield is so weak I've seen Tracers pop it in seconds
>Melee attacks do piss poor damage and knock back so much you're basically pushing the enemy to safety
What the fuck where they thinking?
How does the medal system work? What are the different medals actually indicating? Is it saying you are performing the best on your team if you're gold? Or is it more to do with your career averages?
How can you evaluate how your teammates are doing? I wanna be able to tell the offense shitters aren't getting any kills whatsoever.
>>336650797
That's literally the only useful think about her.
She doesn't deal any damage and her shield is pretty weak
>>336650308
give her weapons that do damage
>>336650884
>Brink
Non-existent games that no one has ever played don't count.
>>336650237
>IT's also not even out yet, now isn't the time to be complaining about balance issues.
NOWS THE PERFECT TIME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BALANCE.
I got in the open beta today and had a lot of fun playing it. Like, a lot, I should be studying for college but I spent my whole afternoon playing.
That said, I don't think there's much more to see in the game. I mean, 21 characters sound like a lot, but in a game you can change to whatever character every time you die, it loses the charm reeeally quick. In a few hours you've seem everything and knows about everything and can play decently on every character. I don't see myself buying this because as much fun as I had today, this can't last more than a week.
Also every game mode looks the same and feels that same. Gets really boring after a while. Maybe I'll revisit the game a few years from here and some major expansions are made down the road, also when it either goes f2p or the price drops.
I'l say I liked this a lot more I liked tf2 though.
>Reinhardt shields
>Bastion sets up turret and mows people down
>Widowmaker shoots safely from 3 miles away
Every single game
>>336650848
>valve
>making games
>not forcing esports
The fucking irony
>>336650940
I played winston once. Never again.
Easily the least played character, I've barely seen anyone play as him.
>>336650848
LMAO That's fucking gold
>>336649762
>>336650445
Maybe stop playing with mouth breathers?
I've only ever played with a premade 6 lobby and we roll.
>>336649762
If their health is getting to a point where they need to run away from an objective to restore their health, then you aren't playing healer right.
I agree with the sniper thing, though. You don't need snipers when attacking. Not a single one. If you're a CoD kid who can't handle learning new play styles, then play Soldier: 76 when attacking. He's piss-easy and within everyone's comfort zone.
>>336650848
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH
Oh my god, do you really believe this?HAHAHAHA
HA
Dude, Valve isn't your friend. They don't make games so people can have fun. They make games so people buy shit and give them money, like literally every other company in the world.
>>336650884
Why do people who clearly have never even touched the game bother posting?
>only character I like playing is Mercy
>her gameplay boils down to left clicking someone
>>336651051
The only thing Winston can do that Reinhardt can't is jump across large spaces. For everything else, Reinhardt is just better.
>>336646861
>no custom lobbies
>no private games
Pretty sure there are.
>>336651053
>>336651037
>>336651126
If you don't like CSGO competitive you can open the server browser and play casual or deathmatch. Or you can surf, or do any other custom game modes.
If you don't like payload in Overwatch you're forced to play it because you can't even choose which game mode to queue for.
Defend this shit blizzdrones.
>Fire slow moving fully charged shot at Tracer. She runs through it, takes 90% of her HP in one hit. Finish her off with a single M1.
>Getting shot from behind by another Tracer. Start charging shot, turn around and lob it at her. One shot.
Damn it feels good to be Symmetra.
>>336650902
>blizzdrones
I played literally a single blizzard game and it's this one, and I haven't even paid for it. I'm also not the guy you're dabating with, I'm just calling you out on your retardation. If you can't debate properly close the thread and go play videogames or something.
>>336650709
Meant for
>>336650052
>>336651034
yeah it's been one day and every match is already this, lol fuck you Blizzard
>>336650998
No, when things are being actively patched and changed regularly, it's dumb to complain about relatively minor quirks, again, especially before the game is even out.
>>336650884
>Brink
damn pham you reminded me of that game. just checked how many people are playing it on Steam right now. it's 3.
3 players online.
>>336650940
Winston is better for disrupting the backline with his jump and braindead left click laser. But yeah, his kit lacks cohesiveness with a useless shield and dumb ult.
>>336651175
Don't forget flying back and forth. I think they should buff her dash movespeed a bit since it feels slow and awkward when used on someone close by.
>hit someone point blank with pharah's ult
>they take 90% damage and then kill me
epic
>>336651175
>play mercy
>play of the game every game cause you pressed Q
i like the game but tracer, bastion and mccree just make the game so unfun
>>336651126
Gaben was already a millionaire when he funded Valve. He only made the company to make fun games.
What went wrong for me personally is how cranked the fucking bloom/lighting is and no amount of fucking with the settings is getting rid of it. It's like we're in 2010 again with BLOOM = HD GUD GRAFIX
>>336650457
Calling everything "meme".
I can't take you seriosly.
>>336650826
but thats why he's awesome. you fear him.
though he can get his shit wrecked if you use teamwork.
Bastion is fine.
>>336651234
>CSGOfags
I will never understand people who can play a game with RNG spread and shitty ticrates.
>>336651037
DOTA2 esport scene is mostly run by fans, Valve does jackshit for it outside of the International.
>>336650902
Did you say "master"? No, you said "see" you mastered nothing about tracer in however much time you played, sorry.
>>336651403
Sure, maybe back then. They don't even make games anymore, they just maintain the ones they already have with microtransactions. Surelly, these MTs don't exactly fuck up the game, but it's undeniably a cash grab.
>>336650992
I remember buying it full price, hug me anon I'm crying
still better than OW tho kek
>>336651363
I've never once seen a Winston "disrupt the backlines". He'll jump in and get obliterated in half a second.
Meanwhile, Reinhardt can put up his shield and just walk towards anyone to slap their shit. God help you if you're between him and a wall. And if his ult is up, you and half your team is disabled for like 5 fucking seconds (basically you're dead).
Winston is just an inferior Reinhardt. There are several other characters who are in a similar situation.
>>336650840
>Her Q needs to be able to go through close walls.
Her Q is already OP as fuck in my experience. It has an insanely large radius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqwepATv6nI
>>336650560
Winston can be fun if you know to move around a lot instead of just standing still holding left click.
>>336650069
Give him his shield back or allow him to move out of turret mode much faster.
I had a match like that. We punched through the shield and won easily.
>>336651581
>undeniably a cash grab
>anything community-made supports the person who made it directly
>Gaben bought a shit ton of Southern Hospitalities personally once when the guy who made the wrench wrote him a letter thanking him for adding his item to the game
>>336646861
>No loudouts
And? That's not the point of the game. Pick a different character instead.
>No additional weapons
And? That's not the point of the game. Pick a different character instead.
>No talents
And? That's not the point of the game. Pick a different character instead.
>No effect-changing skins.
It's Blizzard, do you really think they can resist the shekels for long?
>No custom lobbies
As I understand it, this is untrue.
>No private games
Same for this.
>No capture the flag
An actual valid complaint. They've probably commented on this at some point but I can't be fucked to find out.
>No team deathmatch
TDM in class based shooters is hot garbage. For example, Arena in TF2 is dead as fuck.
>No MOBA elements
Good.
>No progression
Objectively false. Since you haven't qualified progression, the leveling up technically counts. There is also ranked.
>Slow as fuck movement
That's like, your opinion man.
>Horrible melee combat.
An actual valid complaint.
>Shallower versions of Heroes of The Storm characters, which are usually copies of LoL characters, anyway
That's like, your opinion man.
TL:DR More is not inherently better, your opinions have no substance, the game is still average.
Why is D Va so bad? She's got a giant fucking hitbox including a giant fucking head, so she dies faster than all the other tanks, her shield sucks shit, and her guns might as well be melee weapons for how shitty they shoot past point blank, and her ult is one of the worst of all the characters. Her booster is cool but basically everything else about her is terrible.
>>336650940
>>336651051
Winston seems shit but is actually really good in the right hands. The bubble especially is way better than Reinhardt's shield in a lot of situations. The jump is also more useful in a lot of situations.
Reinhardt is a meme character (that I like) for stomping pubs, Winston is a tanks for using against teams who know what they're doing.
Also keep in mind that he just got nerfed.
>>336651683
You really expect me to believe valve doesn't take a cut of every item sale?
>>336649226
>fly away
>get distance
>shoot
not hard
>its high noon
>everyone who was unlucky enough to be in his camera is dead
Why did they put this stupid DOTA ultimate shit in an FPS
>>336651445
CSGO has a higher tickrate than overwatch you blizzdrone
>>336646141
>Battleborn
>Implying anyone will play it.
>>336645564
The game is solid, I played the beta and had fun, I'll pick it up when it's $20
>>336645564
I was done playing tf2 5 years ago
How the fuck do I play Genji?
I mean, I want to learn how to play as him, he looks cool and all, but I found his shuriken does fuck all for damage on either mode and I just end up being shat on.
plz help
>>336651730
She has tons of mobility and her ult is free kills with a free full heal.
>>336645564
stop shilling this piece of shit
>>336651757
>Boost was on CD
reading's not hard either
>>336650550
I hope you're using Symmetria as an example of a character who blatantly outclasses everybody else.
20 tick rate
super casual, more casual than tf2
i win "ultimate mode"
appealing to all normies by being generic and safe
>>336651732
Winstons bubble is trash. It breaks if the enemy team even looks in it's direction. Honestly, there is nothing good about Winston, everything he does, Reinhardt does better (and so do plenty of other characters).
>>336651710
Wait... HotS characters are copies of LoL characters? Folks know that LoL is a copy of the original DotA mod for WC3, right?
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
The porn is pretty good.
literally no reason to keep playing other than your epenis or your friends. There is literally nothing to really play for because the game isn't fun and it's rewards are usually randomized.
>>336650709
>Your entire post is contradictory.
>Here's one thing I didn't like about your post.
You're a fucking idiot.
My point is that the game could only be improved by MOBA aspects, since it's pretty dull just running from point to point with no action.
>>336651683
They take a 30% cut of EVERYTHING on steam.
Saying they're benevolent is like saying Penguin is benevolent for publishing someone's book.
I'm not shitting on Valve, in fact I like them a lot, but don't act like they're doing something they're not.
>>336651795
>blizzard
>putting their games on sale
this is a company that had vanilla Diablo 2 without LoD for sale digitally for 20 dollars, LoD being another 20
>play Pharah
>use ultimate
>before its even begun casting I'm dead because it pins me in place and makes me an easy target
E P I C
P
I
C
>>336651849
got me anon, sorry, been a long day.
well uhhh
pop out and shoot her
Dva pistol is solid as fuck
>>336651760
>hear high noon
>have no fucking idea where he is because the position audio is garbage at best
>die
>>336651864
>everything he does, Reinhardt does better (and so do plenty of other characters).
This just shows you haven't seen someone who's played him well or done so yourself.
>Winstons bubble is trash.
Again, just got nerfed.
>>336651710
The characters are limited.
The weapons they have aren't varied enough.
Talents offer choice.
It is true.
My points are that this game fails to offer individuality and varied gameplay, very valid complaints, dumb ass.
>>336651361
the IQ of these 3 combined > total IQ of Overwatch players online.
what a day to be alive, mobile games feel more polished than this pile of shit
>>336651813
Steal kills. That is pretty much the only time you'll ever get a kill as Genji.
Also if the enemy is dumb, use his Deflect to bait people into shooting you. 99% of the time this'll do nothing much, but that 1% of the time you might get a kill.
Just hope the enemy isn't smart enough to take someone who has attacks you can't deflect, otherwise it's suicide to even try.
Honestly, just repick him. I've yet to figure out how to make him work. Just seems weak all round and others do his job a lot better.
>>336651942
tfw my walmart still sells the boxed version of diablo 2 for $20
blizzard is like nintendo with never putting things on sale
>>336651989
>People complain about "press Q to win"
>Same people complain win they find out pressing Q doesn't actually mean you win
LIKE FUCKING POTTERY
>>336652065
>This just shows you haven't seen someone who's played him well or done so yourself.
If someone can do well with Winston, they could do a whole lot better with another character. Player skill does not equate to how good or useful a character is.
>play game for 3 hours
>already want to fuck the shit out of Mercy
Great I'm in love with another girl that doesn't exist
THANKS VIDEO GAMES
Anyone have that picture of the female cast with part of their cloth details removed? It compares their butts and shows off how Mercy's actually stealth packin' a fat booty.
>>336651258
The original point was that tf2 classes and quake 3 could be figured out as fast as overwatch characters, yet I'm being retarded?
>>336651564
>Shoot
>Blink to flank or escape
>Rewind if hurt
>Ult around cart
Done
>>336651710
>TDM in class based shooters is hot garbage
this game isn't nearly as class heavy as those games
What's the possibility they end up adding a second weapon to some characters in a few updates? Or some more characters even.
Things are really boring as they are. I get that the point of the game is changing characters on the fly to accomodate the match situation, but so far everyone feels so straightfoward, no dept at all.
>>336648994
>It's kind of dumb how some characters seem to have shoot
What's dumb is comparing numbers instead of function and utitlity
>aimbot ults
>wallhacks
>1 hit kill abilities
dead on arrival, nobody is going to spend money on this trash.
>>336651730
Shes one of the best flankers in the game. Don't play her like a tank like the game retardedly suggests and use her speed boost to fly around and on top of buildings to get the drop on people.
>>336645564
>game copies several original characters from tf2 and splits them down to 2-3 characters
>Still manage to make those characters have less personality than their original counterparts combined
The only way to fix this game for now is introducing more gamemodes,characters, or custom servers.
>>336652103
Yeah, that's what I figured.
>ninja hero
>his melee attack does the exact same damage and has the same cooldown of a supports
>wild west revolver hero
>is actually strongest when you camp corners and spam flashbang+right click
>mobile turret hero
>accuracy and range of a sniper rifle, zero recoil, damage of a tf2 heavy with no fall-off
thanks bluzzurd
This game will be the most popular on consoles, PC has better or similar games that are free and some actually have unique maps.
Game is not bad but I expect more out of blizzard
Been playing it non-stop the past few days
Not sure why /v/ is trying their hardest to pretend the game is a flop. Blizz hate? TOR syndrome?
Either way, game is fun; cant wait to hop into ranked and get a better idea of how good my Mei is.
This game is pretty fun but there's no way I'm paying 40 US dollars for it.
>>336646861
>it's a /v/ has retarded as fuck opinions on video games episode
>>336652289
No, what I was specifically comparing function and utility. Some characters have a metric fuck ton of function and utility. Others have almost none.
>insist on putting ultimate abilities in the game
>ultimate abilities that are just giant AOE attacks that go through walls
>one character's ult is just them aimbotting
No thank you
>>336652185
Reinhardt can get shit on in ways Winston can't.
>Jump is better for mobility than anything reinhardt can do
>Jump is better for escaping than anything Reinhardt can do
>Lightning gun provides longer range and more consistent damage, that can also be paired with the jump for chasing
>Ult shits all over Reinhardts
>Abilities are on shorters CDs
>Better at protecting allies considering he can jump to them and shield them from 360 degrees rather than just hope they stay behind him
>Reinhardt gets utterly shit on by offense classes
Again, he's in a nerfed, weaker state right now, so it's kind of unfair to run additional salt in his wounds.
>>336651813
watch Cooller play Genji
>>336652393
>consoles
>arena shooters
Pick one.
I'm not with the "FPS IS IMPOSSIBRU ON CONSOLES FUCKING JOYSTICKS HOW DO THEY WORK" crowd, but this game will be a nightmare to play on consoles. Jesus, look at fucking Tracer. People have trouble controlling her on PC if the endgame cameras are any indication. Arena shooters are just too fast for joysticks. Halo is as far as it gets.
>>336652059
>See McCree dancing around behind some walls near the construction pit in Ilios
>Keep my eye on him as Widowmaker
>*Eagle Screech*
>Line up his head in my sights
>IT'S HIGH UGGGH
I love bad McCrees.
Good McCrees are an absolute bitch to deal with though.
>>336652268
>tf2 classes and quake 3 could be figured out as fast as overwatch characters
They can
>Look at ground, jump, and shoot
>Look at man and shoot
Done
>>336652549
you forgot to mention how the game is slow and lacks skill etc etc, valveshill
Can anyone tell me what Local Fog Detail actually does? Setting it to Ultra from Medium kills my FPS
>>336645564
Right now I'd say it's a little too much like TF2. On the other hand, it's only $40. I'm at least having more fun with it than I was with the Battleborne beta, though.
>>336652564
Most of what you said then isn't even true. He's more mobile than Reinhardt, that is it. Reinhardt is bigger, stronger, tougher and much more scary to play against.
>>336646861
>No MOBA elements
I stopped reading right there get the fuck out
>>336652417
TOR syndrome. It's a shame because /v/ used to be a good barometer for how good or bad a game is. Now everything popular has to be another TOR regardless of quality.
>>336652281
New characters are pretty much a given if the game actually remains popular. Alternate weapons are probably more likely if the game doesn't.
>>336645564
6 potg in a row. If I'm not topping we aren't winning. Which is horseshit. There is nothing difficult about the game. People just expect to be able to run in and win like some kind of fucking COD meets the love child of DOTA and TF2 bullshit. Also mei is annoying.
>>336652549
>he cant dodge a slow-as-fuck ability
>he cant just move to cover or drop a shield
The game is rock paper scissors
If S76 plays rock, just play paper
>>336652564
>He's shit
>BUT NOT REALLY HE WAS NERFED ITS NOT FAIR TO SAY HES SHIT STOP BADMOUTHING MY MAIN WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
I didn't know Winstonfags existed.
>>336652787
>I stopped reading 75% through the post.
C-congrats?
>>336648105
I shit on hanzo with bastion
Blizz fanboys mostly exist on PC. Anecdotal evidence: PC gamer who has bought every Blizzard release since WC2.
>>336652670
>People have trouble controlling her on PC
they seem to be doing just fine on consoles.
I never understood the whole , arena shooters are too fast on console" thing.
yeah they are much faster on PC becasue of the ridiculous framerates, but the console ports were pretty good.
I guess people just aren't into twitch based shooting. or have the patience for it.
>>336645564
I played a match or two because there is such a large conversation going on about it and it is free for a few days.
I did have some forgetful fun with it. Played that chubby Mad Max tank guy and then the Soldier guy. I did well. I had some fun. But I'm confident in saying that I will never spend money on this game.
There are a decent amount of characters but for its price tag and lack of loadout options I really expected more. Maybe I was thinking it would have like a DOTA sized roster. I'm sure they will add more over time but I don't feel like waiting when other better games are complete now.
This and Battleborn are the big topics. I would pick Battleborn over this but I'm not really excited about that either. The First Person shooter/melee thing that I wanted is probably cancelled.
>Battlecry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjbY271qrw0
>inb4 Battlecry is shit and so are you
>>336652793
I've said it before and said it again:
/v/ has went to dogshit ever since the TOR scandal.
Nowadays everyone is looking for the next TOR just so they can shitpost and feel good about something flopping.
Remember the cucks on here who insisted LoL would die since it was casualized garbage and DotA2 would kill it?
lol
>>336652849
that's not very engaging gameplay
>>336652768
I just could not figure out what I was supposed to do in the battleborn game.
I've never played a moba so maybe thats why I was confused.
Is it hard to stay alive as Mercy or am I just bad? A lot of the time when I try to stay more forward with the team I die pretty easy, and I feel kinda useless hanging back
>>336652785
Reinhardt is way too oppressive. As soon as he puts up his shield, he basically becomes invincible as his team takes potshots at you from behind him. In any situation, attack/defense/payload/whatever there's a Reinhardt now.
His shield is going to get nerfed, mark my words.
>>336651661
>move out of turret mode much faster.
It's already 0.5 fucking seconds to go from his turret to being mobile.
He can go Turret > Assault > Turret in two seconds, exactly the same amount of time it takes for him to reload the minigun.
>>336650308
swap her guns with bastions.
>>336652785
>Reinhardt is bigger, stronger, tougher and much more scary to play against.
YOu only think this because you're a pubshitter who's played with bad winstons and continues to think Reinhardt is intimidating when he's one of the most slow, lumbering oafs in the game.
>Whittle his shield down
>Kill him
>Bait his charge
>Kill him
>Back away and bait his swings
>Kill him
You're making him out to be better than he is.
tbqh the game is fun but not $60 fun
this beta apparently lasts 3 days. i think by then i'll have my fix of TF2: Blizzard edition.
>>336653238
lol. nice
>>336652849
>the only skill in the game is counterpicking
nice shit game blizzcuck
>>336653312
It's a $40 dollar game. tbf.
>>336653312
Good thing it's $40 then.
>>336651234
Retard I wasn't defending overwatch. I was laughing at the statement about valve
>>336646861
>No custom lobbies.
>No private games.
Shitposting at it's finest.
>>336653224
Bastion drains his shield in 3 seconds
>PLAY OF THE GAME:BASTION
>>336653204
Blame your team for not getting free kills protecting you
>>336653369
I mean SC2 is rock-paper-scissors, on some level. Not that Overwatch is or should be as hardcore a game.
>>336645564
>Can't see your legs when you look down.
>Can't look down to see Widows slender legs.
FUCKING DROPPED!
>>336653185
>I just could not figure out what I was supposed to do in the battleborn game.
>I've never played a moba so maybe thats why I was confused.
I was having the same problem. I was playing with friends and one of them actually knew what he was doing and gave me some instructions, but it just felt awkward and I never felt like I really understood what I was doing. ASSFAGGOTS isn't really my cup of tea, and while giving one FPS combat made it more tolerable I still didn't really enjoy myself.
It also had a very Reddit-tier sense of humor much like Borderlands, which didn't ruin it for me but it certainly didn't help.
>play of the game
>player uses ult, gets 3+ kills
>play of the game
>player uses ult, gets 3+ kills
>play of the game
>player uses ult, gets 3+ kills
Bloody hell they didn't think that through.
>>336650237
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
>>336645564
Mei is too overpowered
Balance is stupid so EVERY match you'll either stop completely the other team or the other way around. Since skill is useless and all skill is based on map layout and remembering strategies, it will be impossible to have actual enjoyable not one-sided matches for at least 4 months until the playerbase sets in.
Matchmaking has consistently put me against people 20 levels higher than me and I still steamroll them sometimes due to above reason
>>336647687
Nothing in the game is an instant kill, some things just have high damage.
t.Roadhog player.
>>336650308
-Reduce headshot hitbox
-Increase fire rate
It's fun, but it's the kind of thing where I'd just feel like garbage if I put a significant amount of time into it. There just isn't enough complexity, and I've played enough meatgrinder death match in TF2 for several life-times.
All the overkill super moves are annoying too. It's the Call of Duty care package thing, press this button to get free kills with zero effort, oh boy. Lot's of mindless weapons, hitscan, AoE. Movement is a bit too slow. Even tracer feels sluggish compared to TF2 scout. When the guy with the speed buff is on your team it feels a lot better, that should've been the movement speed from the get-go.
I'll pick it up if it drops in price, but it's not going to any time soon, so whatever.
Overwatch is the Donald Trump of vidya, and mean that in the best possible way.
>"I'm gonna build a big, beautiful FPS and we're gonna make Team-Based Shooters great again.
>Constantly shit-on by pissants who can't handle it, who end up lying about it because no real arguments exist
>Extremely popular with the people despite the "intelligentsia" telling them to hate it
>It's taboo to say you like it
>Proven right and good, time and time again
>Gonna win in the end
>>336653912
Bastion's ult is announced and incredibly avoidable. I think every character announces their ult?
>>336652247
I'm serious. I need this shit. Give me that Mercy butt.
>>336653826
Why not email the developers this? It's a beta; they're open to critique
>>336653971
>unironically supporting trump
idiot
>>336653798
>meme-response from a shitty movie starring a retarded kike, with no actual substance
Sasuga, reddit.
>>336653912
Everything is an instant kill if you play tissue paper robomonk. I wouldn't mind it so much if he had any self-survivability outside of that health regen
>>336650308
>remove movement penalty while shooting
>increase damage and spread of guns
pick one
>>336653635
I'd rather it be like that Jurassic Park game, where you look down and see your tits
Its fun as fuck, also get gud
me and my friends might finally abadon TF2 for this
>>336651348
This is so ass-backwards it hurts. The entire point of a beta is to see what works and what needs improvement. This is when the developers lurk the internet and see what people do and don't like.
>>336654068
Proving my point, DESU.
Shouldn't you be listening to Glen Beck while playing Batteborn or something?
>>336645564
>What went wrong?
Gosh, where do I begin?
>Reinhardt
The shield has too much HP and the stun lasts far, FAR too long for being a ranged attack. Not entirely certain why they didn't just essentially give it a McCree length stun. Instead, you can count the seconds on both hands where you're down and it's a miracle if you don't die.
>Genji
Absolutely fucking useless, except for hunting down snipers/Huntsman snipers.
>Widowmaker
Uncharged shots do WWWWAAAAYYYY too much damage, and rewards shitty players. Coupled with the auto-aim, and it's not uncommon for Widowmakers to get POTG with 90% of their shots not even on the enemy.
>Reaper
In most engagements with Reaper, he's invincible for 90% of it. Not a huge deal, but really fucking annoying.
>Zenyatta
Needs a speed or health buff (maybe even both) really bad. His gameplay is perfectly fine, however.
>Mercy
LShift ability needs to work without being locked on to an ally.
>Bastion
Desperately needs bullet damage dropoff in sentry mode.
>Symmetra
Six fucking turrets is stupid. A good Symmetra will often hit the end game board. Decrease turrets by two and increase her damage to compensate.
>General Gripes
Played a game stacked with all six players Mei. She's fucking annoying, but even though we won that one, it was still an annoying fucking slog and the second worst match I ever had. Then right after that, played a game stacked with all six players Bastion. We never got through the first chokepoint.
The game needs to debuff players who stack with a 25% decrease across the board per copy.
Other than that shit, the game is fine. Everything else feels balanced, and everything generally has two or more counters, or are easily countered by paying attention.
>>336654027
>mery wearing panties
She isn't even wearing panties in the original overwatch model if you load it into SFM, it's a bare butt and you can see her asshole.
>>336654026
Yes. I wasn't complaining about his ult though.
>>336654084
>Playing Zenyatta
I'm sorry for your loss.
>>336651348
Samefagging here>>336654124 since I just thought of more to say.
This is also the best time to complain because things are being actively patched and changed regularly; thus the developers are more likely to make community-driven changes.
Once the game is totally finished, devs are less likely to act because they feel like it's done.
>>336653772
I've gotten plays of the game without pressing q. As tracer and widow maker
>>336654124
Right, but acting like it's a deal-breaker when it's a relatively minor issue that's inevitably going to get fixed is stupid.
You also know that blizzard has internal metrics to analyze how balanced everything is, right? It took valve forever to implement the same system into TF2, hence why comp is only just now coming out.
>>336654224
Oh wow, you're right. I didn't even need to censor it.
>POTG is me chasing a faggot Tracer around while my aimbot kills shit offscreen
>catch a glimpse of Zenyatta of all people trying to melee my turret and dying
>>336654295
>Once the game is totally finished, devs are less likely to act because they feel like it's done.
This isn't Call of Duty, it's a game that's already had an assload of content patches and balance changes that'll inevitably continue to get patched and balanced after launch, just like every other Blizzard game.
>>336654186
I was with you until you said symettra was OP
her turrets die in one shot
>>336654124
>The entire point of a beta is to see what works and what needs improvement
Yeah, except not when the game is 19 days from release. It's called marketing.
>>336649527
TF2 also put way more thought into it's character designs and playstyles at launch. It doesn't matter if Overwatch has more characters if most of those characters are shallow.
>>336654186
I agree with everything
There's definitely some obvious balance problems
>>336650276
And Anon never posted again, for all time.
>>336654084
buddhabot feels so fucking fragile and slow but I appreciate being able to heal and still actually do substantial damage.
>>336653912
Mcree's ult is an instakill.
>Zarya
Someone help me figure this chick out, only tank I'm somewhat interested in playing but I'm not quite grasping how to use her shields in conjunction with the short range laser
>>336652513
Only character who needs more useful abilities is Zayetta. Every other character has instance usefulness.
>>336654635
No it's not, shitter.
What does it mean when it says , "you've collected disco orbs from zenyatta"
The more I play it the more I hate it. Started loving it. Fuck this stupid fucking game
>>336654440
>Her turrets die in one shot.
The point of the turrets is to place them in places where the enemy will only usually traffic when they're low on health, i.e., around health packs.
I never said she was OP, but six turrets is just silly. I'm aware that they're the equivalent of wet paper otherwise.
>>336654535
>There's definitely some obvious balance problems.
All things considered, the devs did a great job with everything, likely thanks to the closed betas, and everything can get fixed fairly easily, but out the box it clearly needs changes.
>>336652281
They already confirmed more characters will be added and that they will be free
>>336654623
I really dislike his alt-fire
>takes 10 years to charge
>can't change aim once they start firing
>can't hold a charge
I think I've used it all of once to kill a bastion I snuck up on
>I spent 60 dollars on this shit
gonna go request a refund here in a bit. never trusting blizzard again
>>336654715
He planted his heal orb on you.
>>336645564
they gave every character guaranteed kills on a timer
thats what went wrong
its a casual game for casuals to feel like they did something ''''''epic'''''''
>>336654731
6 is perfectly fine if it was 4 she would be fucking useless
>>336651940
Retailers generally take a huge cut. Welcome to basic fucking economics.
>>336650940
Ehh, winston is pretty bad, but he does have some good stuff.
He can disrupt the enemy team much better with his ult than Reinhardt's. His shield protects in 360 degrees which means that Pharah/widowmaker/other above enemies can't shoot past it. He doesn't have to have to lower his shield to attack which makes him better in 1v1 situations. He's much more mobile.
But yeah, he needs a serious buff to his shield and probably an alt fire on his gun, something more long range. It has less range than Zarya's or Mei's weapons, deals less damage, and they both have alt fires for longer distances. RIP winston.
>>336654715
It means he threw his purple testicle at you and you're taking extra damage. Orb of harmony is the healing one from allied Zens
>>336654647
Not really complicated, just pop both them when a fight starts and start shooting
>>336654623
I wouldn't mind Zenyatta's fragility if he had a bit more speed. He's got to be damn close to the slowest character in the game with nothing to show for it except really long transit times to the front line only to die a second later.
>>336654804
lol I'll have to check it again. I always thought it was from the opposing team that I was collecting them from.
>>336646861
>the battleborn shill still tries to keep their shitty game relevent.
Like clockwork. Every thread.
>>336653912
>nothing in the game is an instant kill
>t.Roadhog player
roadhog hook + headshot is 450 damage, the only non-instant kills are pure tanks (but even those would die to the burst for already taking a small bit of punishment)
>>336653971
and the game:
>be in team with 2 other friends
>dominate
>be in team with only 1 other friend or just me
>4 randoms dont know what the fuck they're doing
>enemy team acts like seal team 6
>they aren't in a premade
>get oneshotted to the body by widowmaker as 200 hp character
>try it myself and they live at 50 hp
not really a bad part of the game but something wasnt right
>maps are all 2 maybe 3 chokepoints that only really need 1 hero to defend (bastion widow hanzo roadhog)
>junkrat punishes you for using a shotgun to kill him
>attempt to kill him from range and *TRAPPED*
>roadhog heals 50% of his hp faster than any healer in the game
>mei is free death if you cant kill her in 3 seconds
>lucio is a mobile healthstation that dies easily but is useless for anything else beyond living
>bastion is unkillable without high burst from roadhog or snipers (btw he doesnt have his critical point/head on his front anymore, would ignore a lot of his problems if this existed)
>symmetra is fucking useless
>mccree gets no benefit from not fanning
the game needs help
>>336654186
>widowmaker
>auto-aim
are you playing console by chance? or am I missing something?
Teach me how to play D.Va
>>336654784
$0.5 has been deposited to your steam wallet!
>>336654654
>Zayetta
You mean Zenyata and yes, he does.
>Healing is placed on skill button rather than mouse button, which is okay in tself, but it's fucking SHIFT by default for some reason
>good luck hitting anything with charged R2 which is not a tank character
>nobody gives a shit about your Orb of Discord
>All your skills hint at the fact that you have to stay kinda away from the main group, but your Q is literally useless if you're doing that
>lmaonohealth
I see promise in him and lots of possibilities, but one main I'd probably change is Orb of Discord to be something like a DoT instead of what it is now.
>>336654853
that makes more sense. thanks.
the only blatantly overpowered thing is rheinhardt's shield
i have never seen it broken
Is there actually a difference between armor and health? I know shields regenerate, but does armor actually do something differently, like reduce damage taken or something?
>>336654821
that's his damage increase orb then.
>>336653912
Hanzo always gets one shots
>>336654893
I also think the matchmaking is p fucked right now. Since we're in early game literally everyone is getting paired up with everyone while teams of good players get paired up with pubbies.
>>336654894
>throw mech bomb
>hide
>repeat
>>336645564
I guess the price, but only because I am poor.
Also i guess too few heroes with unique mechanics. I like Mei's wall and there isn't a lot of stuff like that.
Overall really fast paced and enjoyable, not 8 hours a day thing but very good for half an hour to hour a day.
>>336654186
You should face the nightmare of 4 Zaryas and 2 Lucios. That shit was over in 30 seconds.
Everyone constantly invulnerable and buffing each other.
It was the worst match of Overwatch I've played so far.
>>336645564
Not enough autism.
THINGS THAT NEED TO BE BUFFED:
>Zenyetta, he's kind of bad right now, faster attack maybe?
>Zarya's range
>D.VAs offensive ability
THINGS THAT NEED TO BE NERFED
>Roadhog's fucking broken Ult and chain
>Hanzo gettin kills left and right
>idiot players
MY WAIFU IS PHARAH
>>336655009
fucked doesnt begin to describe what i've fucking witnessed
im only level 12 since i dont play much but i've already been paired against:
3 level 30+
2 40+
and a level 52
my team has consistently been retards at level 10 and below with a rare outlier coming in thats level 10-16
>>336654983
desu a good fix would be that it doesn't heal to full after it's broken. Just have it regenerate from 0.
>>336649084
Those glasses seem familiar...
>>336654893
>are you playing console by chance?
Nope. PC. They had the CoD devs help put auto-aim into the game, so generally you're going to hit your target without having your reticule perfectly on them. I've seen many a Widowmaker PotG where most of her shots don't even have the enemy perfectly centered on the enemy they're killing.
>>336655125
I'm just impressed they didn't have some kind of class stacking deterrence already in the game. I can't imagine this is a problem unique to the open beta, unless the closed beta was only Youtubers and Twitch streamers.
>>336655196
Hanzo? Maybe his ult is a little strong, but I think it's perfectly justified since hes SOOOOO squishy. Just play widow.
>>336654983
Then you're playing with retarded people. The shield goes down with even just two players focusing fire.
>>336654775
Yeah his weapon is annoying to aim considering how mobile half the cast is and how all these hitscan characters exist, but I guess that's the only reason he does so much damage.
>>336655097
>not 8 hours a day thing but very good for half an hour to hour a day
From the way the UI is designed I think that's what they're banking on. Matchmaking is super fucking streamlined and it encourages casually hopping in and out of the game. They're going for the casual market, people who may only have a half hour of free time, so I think it's a perfect fit.
>>336654986
Reduces each hit taken by 5 points (or if less than 10 damage it cuts it in half). So basically absolutely useless against big single hits but completely cucks rapid fire weapons and I think also shotguns.
>>336655282
OH yeah, bodyshots do wayyyyy too much damage right now for both widow and hanzo. That shit needs nerfing bad.
>>336655202
do levels even matter yet?
whats the difference other then time played?
>>336655334
>the shield goes down meme
no it really fucking does not especially when there's two of them
>>336655334
I think there's some stigma for newbies regarding shooting Reinhardt's shield, 'cause he can get on the end game board for blocking damage, 'cause I never see anyone shooting at it.
>>336655275
The closed beta was pretty much only Youtubers and streamers. Some friends and family.
From what I gathered, generally Youtubers and streamers didn't think it was a problem.
>>336655431
levels would matter in terms of time played though? unless I'm reading your post wrong?
>>336655275
how the fuck does the auto aim work? do I just fucking fire randomly hoping something hits?
>>336655440
You're not playing as a team, any focus fire will bring it down easy.
Then again, if you're playing with pubs skill doesn't even matter because the match is decided before it begins.
>>336649762
Get on the mic, use your manly ass voice and tell them to change from sniper. 9/10 times they change to something useful like Roadhog.
Can't help with the healer shit through, personally what ticks me off is when someone else is playing Lucio and they don't use speed boost at the start of a game. You literally have to play Lucio once to understand why you should always do that.
>>336654936
yeah his ult really needs work; he basically has no other other reason to be in the fray and even if he wanted to be, he can't keep up with the rest of your team to do it.
>>336655548
none of my friends have a PC so im only forced to play with pubs
>>336655196
>Zenyetta
>bad
His movement is slow and simple for no good reason, but other than that his damage orb alone makes him a fucking nightmare. He just relies heavily on positioning more so than the fucking snipers.
>>336655545
auto-aim helps with the inaccuracy of a controller. Basically it makes it so the marker points itself to a hitable area.
>>336645564
Windowmaker/Soildier 76 aimbots.
They're already a thing.
>tfw having to cap the final point on the russia map when this is their team
>turrets on the moving platforms
>>336655545
I think we're on the same page.
I was just wondering if higher levels players get anything new?
or is it just superficial since its only a beta?
>>336654893
>are you playing console by chance? or am I missing something?
Not the guy, but there's inbuilt aim assistance like Halo has (as long as your enemy is somewhere close to your crosshair it will hit them). All characters have this though, not just widowmaker.
>>336655591
Then you're playing the wrong fucking game.
>>336655671
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THIS
Jesus fucking Christ, it's awful. It's horrible on the Asian temple, too.
>>336654684
Are you retarded?
>>336654936
It's not really that hard to hit with the M2, unless it's tracer or something. You just have to lead the shot. It's just not great in tight areas.
>>336654684
Yes it is
>>336655731
funny part is the reason they were a full torbjörn team was cause we had 2 torbjörns on our team the previous game and destroyed them
>>336655591
>pubs
I missed a meme creation?
is this liek saying plebs?
I keep thinking about an actual Pub.
>>336655858
public
>>336655858
Kill yourself
I keep getting killed by things that never happened on my screen. Or I'll use my ability and it won't register, or I'll rubberband all over the fucking place. It feels really bad.
I don't think I've had one match where I wasn't rubberbanding. I know it's a beta, but damn. I keep getting matched with Koreans too, who live on the other side of the earth. Come on, Blizz.
>>336655898
thanks
>>336655930
lol no
>>336651710
/threading
>>336655698
>All characters have this though, not just widowmaker.
I'm the guy, but it's the most prominent with Widowmaker because uncharged body shots do ludicrous damage. If you have less than 200 HP you're likely going to die in spite of how good or bad the Widowmaker's aim is.
For everyone else it's generally fine 'cause it makes the game faster and punishes stupid decisions, but a Widowmaker who's capable enough to point in someone's general direction and press the trigger can turn around a game regardless of player skill.
>>336655832
This is the kind of shit that ruins this game. TF2 the only thing like this was a medic charge, and there was a good chance that you would fuck it up, or they would just outplay you. This is baby shit. "Oh it's so cool huh huh I pressed the button and won I'm so good huh huh".
>>336655832
>>336655734
>>336654635
>>336655008
McCree ult does not insta kill. I have survived it. Rpadhog is durable as fuck.
>>336654893
My point is that Roadhog has enough HP to show that these abilities are not instant kill, just huge damage.
>>336654893
>maps are all 2 maybe 3 chokepoints that only really need 1 hero to defend (bastion widow hanzo roadhog)
reductive, also git gud
>junkrat punishes you for using a shotgun to kill him
Yes, fighting characters with explosives while using a close-range weapon is a bad idea.
>attempt to kill him from range and *TRAPPED*
You mean you're too much of a shitter to check for an obvious bear trap?
>roadhog heals 50% of his hp faster than any healer in the game
That's why he's a tank. The other tanks have armored health and shields, he has an ass-load of normal health and a self-heal. He's easier to deal with than normal tanks.
>roadhog heals 50% of his hp faster than any healer in the game
Translation: Mei kills you if you're enough of a shitter to get within a few feet of her
>lucio is a mobile healthstation that dies easily but is useless for anything else beyond living
You don't get the character then, he's on of the best in-game.
>bastion is unkillable without high burst from roadhog or snipers (btw he doesnt have his critical point/head on his front anymore, would ignore a lot of his problems if this existed)
He is retarded, but you're overstating his survivability.
>symmetra is fucking useless
Just a retarded thing to say considering how useful she is.
>mccree gets no benefit from not fanning
Range and accuracy, you dunce.
>>336655832
>Not a single tank in that image
ok
>play as lucio
>jungle boogie isn't blasting from his speakers
>>336654893
German tank man dude whatever the fuck he's called won't die to Roadhog because shield+walk away (Unless he uses his ult). SJW dike can make herself invincible and bunny hop away. DVa is shit but I guess she could survive if she used her defense matrix or got out of her mecha. Winston would probably die.
>>336656145
It's pretty fucking obvious with anyone else though, like Reaper or Tracer, because you hit people perfectly from afar with every shot without missing once. The only difference is that the damage is reduced, but you still hit them 100% of the times when the bullets clearly go everywhere.
>>336656181
He has the highest health
Doesn't really make a difference if roadhog is still alive when Mcgree singlehandedly one-shots your entire team
Then again you could all just play Roadhog and probably fuck everyone's day up anyways, so what the hell, it's not like you'd need any other character to do anything
This game is so fucked up
>>336651034
Play junkrat and literally spam shoot from behind a wall untill you can ult them all
>>336656342
>Jungle Boogie
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to change the music that comes from the gun.
TAKE YOUR SHITTY GAME TO /VG/ HOLY SHIT SAGE
>>336656350
The shield only has 2k hp though, a lot of players won't shoot it for some reason despite having unlimited ammo.
Seriously, Reinhardts shield is pathetic. Bastion melts through it in 2-3 seconds on his own.
>>336656181
>doesn't Insta-kill
>webm posted clearly shows four people getting Insta-killed
Maybe the people who used it against you weren't charging it all the way
>>336645564
>tfw fighting Tracer cunt as Genji
CAN'T FUCKING HIT SHIT DART DART DART DART
Fuck this game.
>>336649762
Because it's currently free, so a billion retards have jumped on it
>>336656471
Oh yeah absolutely. But as you said for some reason nobody shoots at it unless it has the cracked graphic.
>>336656356
To be fair, it's tough to miss someone with Reaper's shotguns when you're close range. It's only really an issue at a closer mid-range. Tracer has kinda garbage damage and her whole existence is to flank the enemy team and pester the squishy support chilling behind the front lines. If Tracer did more damage it'd be a problem, but honestly, she's kinda blah. If not for her absurd speed and movement options she'd be hot garbage.
>>336651034
I'd enjoy if more things went through Reinhardt shields, 2k HP is beefy as all shit and allows for some really stupid shit. He's miles ahead of the other tanks because he has 1500 effective health, an amazing ult, and can actually kill people easily. As far as I know Reinhardt E, Symettra right click and Mei are the only things that go through it. You can phara over it but that just puts you in the sky to get shot down.
>losing 1-0 in the capture the point mode
>switch to Mercy because team composition is getting rekt
>literally the reason team is able to scrape up a win and eventually go 2-1
>10k health recovered + a good few revives
>play of the game: "IT'S HIGH NOON"
>McCree gets all the commendations
Okay then.
>>336656549
Genji is garbage. He's only good for stealing kills and trying to kill snipers.
>>336656664
It was only a prime example on how auto aim works, which is why you're missing at close range with Reaper because the distance from your crosshair is relatively bigger than it is from afar. You can't miss anyone from afar with the shotguns, every shot with hit 100% despite the bullets not actually hitting the enemy or atleast shouldn't.
>get POTG as dwarfy the not-engineer-because-no-teleports-or-dispensers
>it's just me stealing like four kills with the shitty dwarf pistol
>>336656803
Ah, gotcha.
>>336656721
>Implying
He's literally one of the best in the game. There's nothing to say but "git gud."
>>336645564
-Too many characters
-Most dont fit in roles
-Retarded designs that exist only for cosplay
>>336656536
McCree ult does 100 damage per second of charging. To kill full health tanks you'll be sitting there for 5+ seconds.
This game is so utterly devoid of personality, intrigue or any genuine, human emotion. I feel sick after about 30 minutes of playing it.
Something feels so wrong about this game, it reminds me of League of Legends. It's too syrupy sweet, as if it's rotting my brain just running on my computer.
Is this another unfortunate example of the shiny AAA nu-videogame (see: MOBA) that exists solely to pry open the gentrified middle class 12 year old's parents' wallets with cosmetics and waifu bait?
>>336656684
Play of the game is always just an ult and a couple kills, it's pretty sad
Nobody appreciates healers in anything ever. They just get mad at you when you lose. This has been the way of things since the dawn of time.
I wonder if they'll stop people from having everyone be able to pick the same character in a team.
>>336655689
every level you get a loot box that gives you 4 random items, those items can be voice lines costumes sprays emotes or even currency in the game and is the only way to obtain currency in the game or said items. (except with, you know, currency)
>>336646861
>People falling for this falseflagging bait
Winston needs an alt fire that hits just 1 target at higher damage.
>>336657026
To be fair, this game has no future after the first six months if it doesn't take a page from TF2's book.
>>336656879
this is a big reason why I like this game, and why I tink a lot of people are hating on it.
The characters all seem like shit at first, and other seem to have huge advantages, but once you do git gud the game opens up for you and you start winning more.
the only character I haven't really gotten used to with yet is Lucio. Is he Jamaican or what?
>>336655275
>I'm just impressed they didn't have some kind of class stacking deterrence already in the game
They do. However, it's Custom Game only.
It can be limited to one/two of the same character per team or 1/2 of each type of role so people have to spread out. Having that as the default would be shit for pubs.
>>336651226
There is, and you can change pretty much everything down to health modifier and hero bans
>>336656928
It is just the opposite for me. I admit the reason I ever got interested in the game because finally some colors and generally a "happy" theme on most of the levels and characters. I'm so fucking bored about the bazilionth exactly same dark, faceless, soldier simulator.
>>336656684
Wew lad, a healer with an inferiority complex.
>>336656947
The play of the game video had such potential to show cool stuff, or actual plays that affected the game like a clutch lockdown of 3 people as Mei, or Winston going bananas to knock people off the point for his team, Instead its always a Bastion who held M1 in the general direction of the enemy.
>>336657094
He needs a different ult, it feeds the enemy team ult charge more than anything, its great for knocking people off a point but its useless outside that.
>>336657180
I see them changing quick matches into 2 limits on characters, pubs literally cannot handle 5 Winstons and a lucio, 6 torbj defenses or even meis.
>>336648273
I agree. They simplified movement like rocket jump down to pressing a button for console kiddies
Anybody else getting insane lag?
Dying to an aimbot S76 is sort of salt inducing
Maybe my biggest complaint is the over reliance on ultimate. Ultimates are extremely effective, yet I see them constantly. Also, there is no mechanic of robbing your opponent of using their ultimates since ultimate charge does not deplete on death.
Imagine if in tf2 dropping the medic didn't deplete his ubercharge. There would be no point in divebomb/dangerous plays to force a drop or pop. Also, giving everyone the ability to do something awesome just for surviving feel stupid. You shouldn't reward players for doing nothing. Probably going to play this for a little bit then drop the game forever.
>>336648375
You clearly don't understand what kind of game Overwatch is. Yes, they will release new Heroes, no, they will not release new weapons or skills. That's not how this genre works. And it takes too long to take objectives? Jesus christ come back after you've played the game at least once
>>336657170
>hurr you only have to git gud at the game, it's not shit you're just shit and I'm a big fucking baby
Wow, really convincing, 'git gud', that's such an intelligent argument
Most of the characters seem broken as fuck at first, I played genji for a good while and he's not good. He does fuck all for damage, the only thing he's good at is mashing shift to mop up all the kills. You probably think you're hot shit with him though, so enjoy your false sense of satisfaction.
>>336657470
Literally all of the people who are having issues I've been with have been folks with Time Warner or Windows 10.
>>336648375
>will they add new weapons? new classes? different skills? how many of these will be micro transactions?
The current plan is new characters, maps, game modes, cosmetic stuff like skins, sprays, and victory poses, and absolutely zero micro transations
I'll just get the Battlefront season pass instead of this game.
>>336657580
This game is basically Call of Duty, except it's constantly handing you care packages for doing nothing
This is the most casual shooter I have ever played, and I think that's really saying something
>>336657630
>zero microtransactions
You realize they are going to let people buy lootboxes right? That's why they are wiping anything you unlocked in the beta here. Its why you get currency in boxes only and not for playing games. Along with its random loot nature. They are trying to hook whales with the prospect of pretty skins.
>>336657580
This. Dropping uber is the worst fucking feeling, but you get to keep Ult for as long as you want.
>>336650042
You're clearly too stupid to see how your binary argument is null once you actually take into account how and when you use each ability. Depth comes from possibility, not quantity of abilities.
>>336657753
then let them buy lootboxes. They give nothing substantial.
>>336645564
Its missing a vital component that even battleborn has.
Pings.
Most people dont use voice chat, so a function that lets you ping is vital.
So many times a dipshit teammate doesnt see an enemy above them and i have no way of warning them.
This game will flop on pc and do great on consoles btw
>>336645564
Not f2p, what the fuck were they thinking?
>>336650276
Did you have an aneurysm and forget which game you're trying to talk about?
>>336657580
>Kill defenders on point A after fighting for a bit
>Streamroll and ult them down on the final point
>Games over in 2 minutes flat because lol-ults
I was fine with them at first then I saw them at their worst, now I want them changed from the ground up.
No passive charging at all
Less gained for kills
Ults should be showstoppers that give you leverage to break a defense or repel an assault, instead they are just win more mechanics for attacking teams, and giant fuck you's from the defense team.
>>336657980
They probably wanted to make a game that didn't rely on broken garbage and marketing and instead on solid fun.
>>336657858
But all abilities are designed around only doing what they are intended and nothing more
There is no depth.
>>336647665
>its high n-
>got killed
Git gud
It's too polished. It's polished to the point where it's safe and boring.
Also it actively rewards bad players with the instakills they can get. Say what you will about TF2, but at least it forced you to play well or get out.
>>336657613
not going to say its a perfect game but don't get your panties in a twist. the game isn't as bad as you're saying, and each character has their pros and cons.
Genji needs a buff , of course, but he isn't that bad either if you know that you're supposed to use him as support.
and I've seen people beast with him online.
so yeah, git gud and /or find a character that works for you.
>>336651710
>An actual valid complaint. They've probably commented on this at some point but I can't be fucked to find out.
They have. Imagine a Tracer with the flag. Doesn't work.
>>336657613
>He does fuck all for damage
Nah. His slash-dash is good as you've said, but his shurikens steal the show: they do absolutely insane damage, especially when headshotting.
You're really just being salty. He's a valuable pick among the pros.
You also neglect to mention his reflection ability which is just insane for both survival and damage.
Torbjorn's ult and level 3 turrets are fucking broken.
>mfw I watch the killcam and the turret literally aimbot kills 3 of us coming out of different corners
>>336647631
Without what you call "MOBA elements", what is the "MOBA inspiration" in this game?
You can't possibly consider charged special abilities or individual ability sets per-character to be "MOBA inspiration" unless you only started playing games within the last 5 years.
Specific character roles on a team are also much older than the MOBA genre.
It's like saying protien, rice, and beans are "Chipotle elements."
It's MOBAs that borrowed these mechanics from other games, not the other way around.
>>336645564
Boring shit that shouldn't have a $40 price tag for how incredibly basic it is
>>336657753
Apparently, the official word on microtransactions right now is "Maaaaaybe? A long time down the line, perhaps, we don't know, It all depends on how the game's initial sales do."
With a company like Blizzard, who is huge and has a massive following, I can see them getting away with no microtransactions, especially since there is prescient for that; Diablo 3 and Star Craft 2 could've easily been post-purchase monetized but weren't, and people threw a fit when Blizzard even looked at the words "Real cash auction house" back in the day.
The fact that the game is full-priced says a lot about their short and mid-term plan for the game, I think. If there is going to be any microtransactions, they won't show up for the first year or three, at least.
>>336658191
Their reason for leaving out a game mode is that they can't be bothered to balance their game around it? Fuck that's lazy. Just remove her blink when she has the flag.
>>336657736
>comparing it to call of fucking duty
If you're going to anti-shill, at least fucking try.
>>336657629
I don't have either and I'm getting ridiculous lag spikes.
I don't get it, I've got the game running at 60 frames but I haven't had a single match without lag.
>>336658171
>but at least it forced you to play well or get out.
what is the pyro
what is demoknight
>>336657972
Your characters actually do that automatically.
Not perfect, but it's there.
do you guys complain here to improve the game or just to shit on it
>>336658359
>Their reason for leaving out a game mode is that they can't be bothered to balance their game around it? Fuck that's lazy. Just remove her blink when she has the flag.
>Remove the one defining trait of a hero just to make a shitty game mode.
Why would they do this? Why would you gimp the heroes for the game mode? They've said it time and time again that the game is all about the heroes.
>>336658443
Its wortless, no one can even hear that over all the audio violence and afaik they only comment if its a widowmaker on a ledge
>>336646861
>Implying MOBA elements, progression, and talents are good things.
Progession in an FPS is just fake game mastery. They know people have reached their peak skill in FPSs for years, so they just dribble out all your tools so you can pretend you're getting better when really you're just unlocking what you should have had in the first place.
>>336658496
Because right now it has less content than launch TF2, and it's twice the price.
>>336658496
Blinking or rewinding makes you drop the flag because you cant hold a flag when de- and rematerializing.
Solved
Wew lad that was hard
>>336654157
lol statist
>>336656189
>reductive
of all maps there might be maybe fucking 1 that has 4+ chokes, otherwise theres no more to say about "3 or 2 choke map with long hall and/or wide area with no real cover"
>Yes, fighting characters with explosives while using a close-range weapon is a bad idea.
im pretty sure the reason junkrat is considered "defense" is his ability to clear out groups or force a split from an objective, not to be a mortar that has no downside to fighting or dying up close.
>You mean you're too much of a shitter to check for an obvious bear trap?
well I'm not sure if its just me but for some reason his traps seem to go into the ground half the time, unless im just bad.
>That's why he's a tank. The other tanks have armored health and shields, he has an ass-load of normal health and a self-heal. He's easier to deal with than normal tanks.
my problem is that its too damn fast and allows him to re-engage too quickly compared to that of other tanks, I'd be fine if it was a 75% heal as long as the time takes longer.
>Translation: Mei kills you if you're enough of a shitter to get within a few feet of her
problem with characters like Mei isn't necessarily the freeze itself, its the fact that all characters have the same movespeed making it impossible to escape without an ability that either dashes you or slows/stuns her.
really she'd be fine if movement speed was different amoungst all characters.
>You don't get the character then, he's on of the best in-game.
?
I didnt undermine lucio in the fucking least, thats the full extent of his kit; you die easily but dont die or your team is severely gimped.
>He is retarded, but you're just overstating his survivability.
when it comes to survivability with bastion, its all from how fast he melts enemies before they can deal any real damage to him. doesnt help that his headshot hitbox is reduced/removed from the front since a competent bastion wont let you out of his sight in the first place.
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>>336658651
thank you.
and deathmatch and team deathmatch.
this should be standard by now. if this gme only has one mode I'm not buying it.
or it should be 15 bucks like monday night combat.
>>336653528
Every fucking game. Bastion hides in the corner like a nigger at the spawn and guns down three people and gets le epic play of the year
>>336658495
how could posting on 4chan help improve the game?
>>336658624
>less content than launch TF2
Well there's a demonstrably untrue statement if ever I've read one
Ignoring some balance things because it's a beta
>Visual clutter, effects all over my screen and characters clipping with me and blocking my field of view is annoying, and seems to happen more than in other FPS
>levels have a lot of unnecessary design for an objective based shooter
>some characters are one trick ponies, compare to TF2 where secondary/melee weapons can make up for flaws in a character's primary weapon
>too few gamemodes
>obviously has F2P elements despite not being F2P (yet)
>No ult loss on death
>UI lacking
>>336645564
Three games. That's all I needed to determine it wasn't fun.
I like first person shooters by the way so that's not the problem.
Every single match I get either put against complete retards who I steamroll, or level 26+ people with clearly more hours than me who know all the layout of the maps and where to hold and attack with which teamcomp on every single map so I get completely destroyed
I literally played 2 games where it was even and challenging
>>336651710
>Arena in TF2 is dead as fuck.
Arena in TF2 is dead because it was supposed to be more or less competitive mode with too many limitations and no variety, therefore no fun. It was also succeeded by koth, which is infinitely better than arena
>>336645564
tried to make an arena shooter
wound up making another MOBA
>>336645564
no friends to play with
this game is pretty shit with pubs
>>336655196
Pls no nerfs, playing Roadhog and smashing everyone's tits is the most fun I've had in vidyas in a long time
>>336656189
>>336658734
>Just a retarded thing to say considering how useful she is.
literally how? her teleporter is destroyed with minimal effort, her turrets die to anything, she has no real damage and the extent of her utility is the +25 shield she can give.
if someone is stupid enough to let the teleporter live then its their own damn fault, but it doesnt make her good in the least.
>Range and accuracy, you dunce.
it takes 4 shots to kill a 250 hp hero, and your attack speed is fucked harder than a white girl amoungst niggers when using normal mode, it's only "ok" at best if you can get consistent headshots, otherwise its more rewarding to flashbang into 6+roll 6.
honestly its easy to call someone bad but the shit i stated needs some fine tuning before this game can hope of any sort of balance coming to it.
>>336657613
to be fair a good genji can anal rape an entire team, but they need to know what they're doing.
>>336658624
>content
Are you a WoW cuck? This game's "content" is the fucking PVP. The matches are different every time. I've been playing this probably longer than anyone here and I've never said... "man this game needs more content."
Get the shit back to the WoW forums.
>>336658749
There's a ton of retards right now that don't know how to deal with Bastion. He's actuallybad.
>>336656967
THIS THIS THIS. Faced an entire team of Bastions today. Just lock off a character if someone on your team already picked them.
can confirm the netcode is dogshit, tracer is unhitable
>>336658496
>Why would you gimp the heroes for the game mode?
because this game has nothing but it's gameplay as a solid selling point. Waifu-ism is a side effect of good character designs, but not it's defining feature.
Money > Original design
>people complaining about mcree's ult when you can hear a loud as fuck bird as sign to hide your ass
>>336645564
Its an f2p game they decided to sell
why does your characters picture have that blue flame around them after a while? what does it mean?
>>336658135
Are you literally retarded? Are creativity and ingenuity two things you have no grasp on? Using skills and abilities in new ways and in conjunction with one another is how you develop depth.
>>336659272
>f2p game
I KNOW this is fucking bait, but I'll bite.
I am glad it's not f2p because it keeps the retards out. Also, if it was in a f2p model where you pay for the heroes it would totally fuck up the gameplay.
>>336659391
>implying paid games don't have lots of retards
>implying the skin and loot mechanic isn't f2p shit
>>336659189
Why didnt you pick junkrat and lobbed pipes over the walls to kill them? Or maybe the ninja dude and reflected their bullets?
A team with 6 bastions cant do anything.
>>336659470
>>implying the skin and loot mechanic isn't f2p shit
if they do it the way Mass Effect 3 did , it should be ok.
>>336659470
>Ay goy buy a hero you want since they're all locked behind a paywall or grind.
>Don't worry we'll have rotations.
>Ay goy buy skins, taunts, sprays, and voices.
>>336659391
Its not. The game is f2p through and through, it has drops, cosmetics, sprays, emotes, voice lines and shit. It has in game currency already.
If you think it won't have retards you're wrong, I'd say mostly retards would buy an f2p game for 40 bucks.
The game is not even better than ft2, and I think its safe to say will lose out to some near future actually f2p mobs fps.
>be me
>King's_Row
>we are on defending side
>enemy team has 4 tracers and 2 lucios
>they proceed to rape our team for 2 minutes then win the match
>>336651813
Headshots or dont bother. Sneak up on people and shotgun them in the back with his right click. His dash deals 50 damage to every enemy between your start and stop location, and if you kill an enemy with it, refreshes. It's hillariously effective for trashing the cart at the end of a lengthy push.
Payload. Attackers pick 3 hanzo on the last point.
>Dragons everywhere every other second.
>>336658734
>of all maps there might be maybe fucking 1 that has 4+ chokes, otherwise there's no more to say about "3 or 2 choke map with long hall and/or wide area with no real cover"
That's point of tanks like Reinhardt and Winston. They're also designed to be defense sided considering each team is supposed to play a round as defense and offence, it balances out.
There's nothing wrong with Junkrat's bombs. They're good on predictable targets, nothing else. Know how they work, you're retarded to try to go toe-toe with hi at close range.
Junkrat shit: That's the point, his self-heal is useless when he melts when its on CD, just factor it in to what you do.
Mei Shit: Don't let her waddle up to you, conversely, if you DO let her get to you, you should've been with your team.
Lucio shit: What are you even trying to say? He can't heal when he's dead? Duh.
Bastion shit: I agree with you, he's fucking lame.
Symmetra shit: Everything she has is deceptively powerful. The teleporter is crucial and the shields are awesome. She's a really important character.
McCree shit: You don't get it, fanning is obviously better at CLOSE range, normal shooting is superior everywhere else. In most situations you wouldn't shoot normally at close range.
>>336656879
>>336657170
Saying git gud is not an argument, it's a defense mechanism because you can't actually put into words why you're defending it.
>>336659730
epic strawman, completely ignored my argument but nice
>>336659850
>not counter picking
You deserve it.
>>336660250
BTFO!!!!!!
>>336660042
Does his right click do more damage than the left click?
I'm also bad at him, but I cant hit the shuriken in any case. Its strange because I can hit pretty much every weapon in the game easily. Also, I always try to dash them with the sword but I do no damage at all.
God why is McCree's ult such a pile of shit. Literally only useful for killing really shitty Widowmakers.
>>336660212
>posting fedora man
thanks. i don't have to take you seriously now.
git gud. just like all the whiners on street fighter threads who whine about how shit it is when they've only played it for an hour.
>>336658651
Additionally any movement ability drops the flag. Teleporters don't work and you move 20% slower with reduced knock back.
>>336660694
You're not doing anything to help prove your point, saying git gud just makes me believe you know the other guy was right and literally don't have a retort capable of refuting.
So I guess you shouldgit gudat debating.
